With apologies to my regular readers and commentariat, I’m mid-stream through crafting my next essay and what do I see in the comment feed from last week’s post? Our (our soon to be formerly) Purple Pill friend Mitch returning to give us all an update on what was supposed to be his inevitable married bliss. Rather than allow Mitch’s saga get buried under pages of comments I thought I’d post the continuation of his in-progress unplugging here for others to benefit from. Be sure you read the first case study before you dig into his update below:
Hello Gentlemen,
It’s good to be back here reading your insightful, intelligent, funny, actionable posts. I’ve been away for awhile. Glad to see Rollo’s blog and books doing so well. Congratulations sir, and I sincerely thank you from the bottom of my purple-but-slowly-turning-red heart for your work. I am now eating my previous words about this being ideological and cult-like. lol. Some might remember that I was the eponymous subject of one of Rollo’s posts on purple pill, and the ensuing discussion about whether I was setting myself up for slaughter in marrying a Ukrainian I’d met online. I (basically) said I’m a big boy now at 50, and know what I’m doing with women, and would let ya’ll know how it worked out. Not that anyone gives a rat’s ass after all my bullshit, but whatever, here I am.
Funny thing is that I’d been thinking about posting this update a few days ago, after reconnecting with TRM blog, and I would have said something along the lines of: she has been here almost 9 months, we been married for 5, going reasonably well, regular and enjoyable sex, she cooks everything from scratch and takes good care of me and the house; she’s diligently studying english, meeting people, etc, seems mostly happy; without fail she packs my lunch every night – once she woke up at about 1 am and remembered she had not made my lunch for work next day, and even though I told her not to worry about it, she got up, and went downstairs and *cooked* me lunch. Her responsibility, she said. She also genuinely likes me, and is very loving and affectionate and passionate in bed. We’ve had some conflict, and I’ve mostly held my ground, but made some fairly key concessions in the spirit of playing fair (since she has, in actuality at this point, zero leverage in this relationship), and accommodating her wants and needs.
And hypergamy doesn’t give a fuck.
Lo and behold, yesterday the computer is open and I see a ‘Hi’ come across the screen from Skype from a male. Open the Skype window and she’s been chatting with this dude from New Hampshire or some shit, not long, but the kind of bare bones swapping of details – the guy’s on hunt for a wife, and she’s asking about the size of his town, and what’s the weather like, how many kids, etc. As the blood drains from my face, the veil parts, I see it for what it is, and I realize without a shadow of a doubt, this shit is real. Complete with the subsequent hamstering and total lack of accountability following.
I don’t believe she was actually interacting with this guy with any conscious intent to find someone else, but clearly she thinks about it, and is willing to “play” with the idea, even at a time when she has sooo much to lose. I could withdraw my petition to get her a green card in two seconds, and she’s done. I think she was/is bored and enjoys the attention and validation, and sense of (diminishing) power that she has over men.
So now I need to figure out what to do. i am beyond grateful for Rollo’s work, this blog, and forum, and having internalized RP to the limited extent that I have, and know I need to do A LOT more. It’s pretty humbling to be 50 and need to be totally schooled in something so basic. It’s fricking amazing that I have managed to hide myself from this knowledge for so long.
Thank you.
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I meant to also say that I have learned a ton from you guys, and really appreciate the time and energy that many of you spent last fall trying to get me to get my head out of my ass. What can I say, I need to learn the hard way. Truth is, though, you guys were so vehement about it, that it definitely helped me to keep myself in reserve and react a bit more strategically to her.
Just to preface here, my intent isn’t to be cruel or pop of with ‘I todja so’, but I think it’s very important for guys in the various stages of unplugging to see Mitch’s situation as a clinical example. I’m not trying to flame you or pillory you Mitch, but your situation does serve as a good example.
As I mentioned in the first post about Mitch, there is a visceral desire on the part of Purple Pill men to force fit the parts of Red Pill awareness into Blue Pill idealisms and personal convictions because they simple cannot face the abyss of what a full Red Pill awareness presents to the belief set that the Blue Pill has conditioned them for. It is truly awful to be confronted with unflattering truths about the nature of women as well as a man’s coming to realize he’s got to drop all of his previous idealism and create a new, positive, paradigm for himself based on Red Pill awareness. For a lot of men inured by the Blue Pill it’s just too horrible to let go of those hopes based in a false awareness of their experience.
Thus, we get tropes like “well, the Red Pill is true, but it’s okay to have ONEitis for a girl because my new awareness insulates me from the worst effects of it.” Mitch even began his first entreaty by claiming this woman was “the ONE.”
I’d like to encourage men who still want a good wife to look East. As in, Russia, Ukraine and other former USSR counties. I cannot begin to tell you how encouraged and revitalized I am by this woman I met – and by most of the women I met and interacted with before I found “the One.”
Shades of Purple
I’m beginning to see that there are two varieties of Purple Pill men; the first is the guy whose revenue and wellbeing depends on his only accepting what the Red Pill presents to him in half-measure. These are the Man-Up, do the right thing moralists who only ever marginally warn against the nature of women while believing that the self-improvement imperative that the Red Pill represents to men will more than compensate for the very real dangers of a man not fully killing his inner Beta. These are usually the guys who at one time were solidly Red Pill and used that awareness to their personal benefit with women (and life), but at some stage their life’s circumstance demanded that they “change their ways” and shift back to believing that Blue Pill ideals can be had with Red Pill means. These are the men who follow The Script.
The second type of Purple Pill man is the one who never fully unplugged. I believe this was where Mitch was when I outlined his situation in the first essay. There is a certain class of men who simply cannot ignore the truths that the Red Pill presents to them, and they eagerly endorse the tenets and the understanding of women’s visceral natures. Hypergamy doesn’t care, they get the dynamics of Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks, they even believe they’ve come to terms with their own (often Beta) nature and what it is they believe is necessary to effect a change in their lives; yet there are aspects of that Red Pill awareness that they desperately want to reconcile with their long-held Blue Pill idealistic hopes. So, as a result, they attempt to discard or ignore whatever aspect of the Red Pill that isn’t conducive to making those old Blue Pill dreams come true.
For as long as I’ve been writing in the Manosphere I’ve always made a point of telling men never to use my marriage (or other Red Pill married men’s marriages) as some kind of template or goal to be had with Red Pill awareness. I realize that my own Red Pill marriage seems like some ideal to strive for, but what I think most unmarried single men need to consider is that, for the vast majority of men who’ve been able to unplug, remake themselves and employ an internalized understanding of Red Pill awareness within their marriages and in their families, these men do so in spite of themselves.
Very few men I know of, whom I’d say are Red Pill aware husbands and fathers, did not set out to be so. I have no doubt that in the future I’ll encounter men who were formerly Blue Pill and Beta who changed themselves, unplugged, became Red Pill aware, internalized it and used it to enter into a marriage wherein his Frame was always the primary and his wife intrinsically recognized it and was attracted to him because of it. I do hope this is eventually the case for some men, but as it stands now, the far more common occurrence is the Blue Pill, Beta husband who was “awakened while married” and turned his marriage back from the brink – if indeed that is the case at all. Even more commonly it is divorced men put through the ringer who unplugged post-divorce.
As I mentioned in the first case study about Mitch is his story is engaging because it so faithfully follows the progression of rationales Purple Pill men will use in order to hold fast to their old, comfortable mindset – in this case it’s the Blue Pill dream of an idyllic marriage had through Red Pill means.
One danger I think should be apparent to Red Pill men having to deal with a Purple Pill guy who’s hostile and resistant to what they’re trying to tell him is the potential disaster a Purple Pill man is setting himself up for in his inability to really stare at the abyss, work through the anger and hopelessness, and then recreate himself. This, I feel, is where that resistance stems from. It’s not so much an inability to acknowledge the truth of what real Red Pill intersexual dynamics is showing him, but rather how he will internalize, process and use that to create a better life for himself. So you get anger, not at the message as much as the messenger, when you tell him his sincere hopes are based on a Blue Pill interpretation of what a ‘good marriage’ is:
Lol…you guys can go fuck yourselves. I appreciate where ya’ll are coming from, though. Trying to save me from myself. And i appreciate how naive my post must sound to a bunch of hard core red pillers like yourselves. However, I am not nearly as inexperienced with women and LTR’s as ya’ll assume. I have learned a lot from red pill in general and this site in particular – it’s very insightful and helpful, and I’ve adjusted my attitude and posture toward women because of it. At the same time, though, it strikes me that many of you are taking on red pill ideas as a kind of ideology, and that’s its own kind of danger. The absolute certainty that ya’ll think you know all you need to know about me and my woman and my relationship from that very brief post is what I mean. As if red-pill theory, or whatever it is, completely and concisely explains the total dynamic between a man and woman. Red pill explains a lot of things really well, but certainly not the totality of the mystery that is between a man a woman in a marriage.
And yet, it does and it did.
If you don’t understand what I’m talking about, then I feel sorry for you. Red pill helps me tremendously in seeing more clearly what is going on. I totally get that I am a beta provider for her, that a large part of my appeal is what I can provide, and I get that she is turned on by alpha traits. Both of these things can coexist in the same person. Understanding this and what’s behind it makes me feel less anxious and insecure about that, because I’m more clear about what to do.
Also, being a beta provider does not make me a bitch. Providing for my woman and family is a large part of what makes me a man, and I derive great satisfaction and pride in doing so.
Also, I am not in any way “settling” for a 44 yo woman. Younger women were/are available to me, but that is not what i choose.There’s a lot more to life than fucks and bucks, but if that’s all it is for you, then this is the type of woman you will attract. In a relationship, what you get is what you are. If I can’t find a way to live with an open heart, then I don’t know what the fucking point is. But, to each his own.
So, here we are. And again, it’s hard for this not to come off as a big ‘I toldja so’, but I think it’s even more important for Red Pill men who have it in them to want to help a Blue Pill guy unplug, or hell, just to even recognize the reasons why he’s in the personal circumstances he is, to remember that the Purple Pill guy is only lashing out because he fears the totality of the truth that Red Pill awareness brings into his life. As I always say, unplugging guys from the Matrix is dirty work, but I am genuinely glad to have Mitch back on track and hopefully he’s learned something from the experience. I think other Red Pill men should adopt the same spirit of welcoming a Blue/Purple Pill prodigal son back into the fold.
So that’s my take, but please feel free to comment on Mitch’s situation in the comments thread.
“But you can’t stay away, dearie, you just can’t stay away. You need this place.”
Totally. Helps to hone my misandry.
“It may very well be that life will teach me to become ruthless. I have to say that the idea ( of becoming ruthless) has a definite appeal. I do admire you guys. Maybe I need to figure out what ruthless looks like for me. Dunno.” when the zen guys came to cali in the 50s and 60s, and even before that at the world’s fair in the teens in stl maybe, the eastern guys said “if you’re from the west, don’t fuck with this shit. it’s not for you.” andy didn’t listen and we see how that turned out… Read more »
“Your faults as a son, it’s my failure as a father…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5j1wduFWl0
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-searches-for-porn-unemployment-rate-2017-5
https://twitter.com/youtubesandbox
“It may very well be that life will teach me to become ruthless. I have to say that the idea ( of becoming ruthless) has a definite appeal. I do admire you guys. Maybe I need to figure out what ruthless looks like for me. Dunno.” a lot of people might do better to set realistic goals in many areas of life, not just with women A good old essay from The Badger Hut: https://web.archive.org/web/20121114114053/http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/the-underlying-axioms-of-game/ Read the full essay. Sample couple paragraphs: Much discussed has been rules of game, such as heed women’s actions and not their words; don’t take… Read more »
Ang, great story, you set the frame, hard, and didn’t waffle. Too much stuff to answer, but tonight I laid it down, calmly and with no emotion. I say she will do x,y, and z. Or what she says? or I’m divorcing you and you are going home. A bunch of back and forth, and at this point it appears we will get divorced and she will go home. I told her I would send her money for a few months so she can get back on her feet with her business. So if she does actually go, she will… Read more »
Ang, great story, you set the frame, hard, and didn’t waffle. Too much stuff to answer, but tonight I laid it down, calmly and with no emotion. I say she will do x,y, and z. Or what she says? or I’m divorcing you and you are going home. A bunch of back and forth, and at this point it appears we will get divorced and she will go home. I told her I would send her money for a few months so she can get back on her feet with her business. So if she does actually go, she will… Read more »
mitch, wow, you really pulled the trigger? I wish you the best, hang tough, you are the prize, you hold the cards
all she has to work with is psy-ops, pussy, and any weakness on your part
Mitch,
thedeti
August 28, 2017 at 3:11 pm
^ This was the best advice here. Do this now. It sucks but you know you have to.
Also, I admire you for coming back and posting the follow-up.
“I told her I would send her money for a few months so she can get back on her feet with her business”
I’d send her back……..and send no money. Some other lame guy like you will give her moneys anyways
Mitch
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/6wo8aq/start_small_work_your_way_up/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Be Carefull Mitch, you did put yourself in a complicated situation, once she has the green card..you will lose frame, power and it will unbalance your current status-quo. Anyways all relations presents risks, all of them. Some more some less, that is also true. Enjoy the present and have an eye on the future, if it doesnt work out, or she goes with another guy, shouldnt this be a surprise. Best of luck
all she has to work with is psy-ops, pussy, and any weakness on your part
Yes
Need to stay calm. She’s in the bedroom talking with girlfriends, sorting out her options, probably freaking out inside. I don’t know if she will cave in. She mentally is one of the toughest women I have ever met. And proud as hell. Going home with the shame of a divorce will not be easy for her, tho.
Doesn’t matter. I will not walk this back. Thanks for your support.
Also, I might have not have mentioned I’m catholic, and wondering if guys can point me to good RP resources from a Christian perspective.
@Mitch
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/
“Also, I might have not have mentioned I’m catholic…”
Of course you are. I mean, totally. Catholics are big fans of emotional abuse and DIVORCE?
By all means,go visit Dalrock, He hates women too, but from a “Christian” perspective. I’m sure he’ll help you feel better.
Mitch, Mitch, Mitch! *Every* *single* *idiot* that marries a chick looking for a green card thinks exactly the same thing: “this one is different”, and “it won’t happen to me”.
The *second* that you put a ring on it, dude, she will be down at the police station sobbing “He beats me! I’m afraid of him!”
The term ‘abuse’ is bandied about with such reckless abandon that I’m not even sure what it means anymore. The definition of abuse has been expanded to the point of ambiguity whereby anything under the sun can be deemed abuse for a sufficiently ambitious feminist. It’s almost like ‘abuse’ and ‘rape’ are rites of passages for women today.
And Insanity bytes truly embodies the very worst female characteristics that the sphere has been discussing for years. Her reasoning skills are pretty hilarious.
[https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/04/damaged-goods/]
Hey Paul. Keep up, man. That was the convo last November.
“I don’t know if she will cave in.” I have a suggestion. Make her cave in. Use masculine enlightened self interest, strength, courage mastery and honor among men. She will appreciate you stepping up to your plate with your game. If she doesn’t, then??? “She’s in the bedroom talking with girlfriends,….” All of it Female Social Matrix advice with you go girl, wrongheaded piss poor advice. She needs guidance from a strong man. It would be a good reference experience for you to make her cave. Then proceed forward with your plan as time goes on. With you making the… Read more »
“The definition of abuse has been expanded to the point of ambiguity…”
Only if you’re incredibly stupid.
Think I’ll go find me a Ukrainian sex slave,force him to cook,clean,and have sex with me,remind him I have all the leverage, and than threaten him with his green card, divorce and deportation.
You know what that’s called? That’s called abuse!
Extra credit points for pretending to be a Catholic,too.
a little off topic, but indulge me… I wrote the comment just posted while sitting in a Starbucks, in a non-English speaking country. One of the staff is a real cutie, maybe 21, university student, a 9 in my book. I approached her a little while ago while she was working, opened a flirty conversation, have been doing that whenever I catch her on shift. As you do. So while I am waiting for the post to upload I go up to her to order a coffee, and she tells me this – ‘I have already ordered a coffee for… Read more »
SFJ: And pay attention to what your skill levels, strengths and weaknesses are. No matter what you do going forward, your development of more Mastery is not to change her, it’s to make you better, more masculine and hopefully more red pill. Even though other’s are giving you advice, you are not them. They are great role models, including SFC Ton. You can’t always be them all the sudden, but you should move more toward their mindset and their mastery over themselves in order to attract and have this women or other women desire you. The Red Pill actually does… Read more »
@dirka
That’s really cool, and call me weird if you want, but I just don’t want to game and bang 21 yo hotties. I’m glad it’s working for you, though.
@Mitch Its a little late but I want to talk about your decision to go find a mail order bride in Ukraine. If you want to go on the RP journey then this is part of it. The decision was a mistake, everything that was to follow was INEVITABLE, because the dynamic was set up this way from the start. It was always going to be a transactional relationship, partly because this was what you seemed to want – someone to make your lunch, please you in bed – and of course on her side because it meant she could… Read more »
@Mitch I’m suggesting you adjust your aim, gaming and banging 21 years olds is not the be all and end all, but it puts you in a better frame for all your relationships with women, whatever age. Especially your expectations for an LTR. To put it slightly differently, you may choose not to game and bang 21 year old hotties, but you do so while genuinely having a choice in that because you have developed your game to that level. This is a worthwhile objective in itself. You will also make this choice because you have better options, but what… Read more »
@Mitch Your Ukrainian sounds similar to mine. She is also an Alpha Widow to an MMA champion who was murdered. There is a famous Russian TV series called ‘Sarancha’, which translates as ‘locust’. She recommended it to me (you can watch it on YouTube with subtitles, its quite good, classic sex scene in the rain during the first episode) if I wanted to understand ‘her’. She was already married to her beta husband when she had the affair with the MMA guy. She then had two children to the husband, he has been a great provider, brought her to the… Read more »
Mitch, it probably goes without saying, but make sure that you don’t let her fuck you (literally, not figuratively). It might weaken your resolve. Which is exactly why she’d try to do it.
@Mitch, everyone: I’m confused. Last I remembered, Mitch hadn’t had sex with “the One” yet, but was going to some holidays in Italy with her or something like that. Everyone told him he was clearly Beta Bucks and not Alpha Fucks, some of the comments convinced Mitch to set the Frame “we are totally having sex in Italy”, which of course she balked at, and as I recall, Mitch called everything off and it seemed like he was safe. Fast forward several months and he brought her over, married and she has progressing on her goal of getting the green… Read more »
@palmasailor I take your point, but I think what Mitch needs is some expert legal advice on what his options might be. From my point of view, his goal should be to extract himself as painlessly as possible from the relationship, that should be his number one priority – self-protection. As to whether she can stay in the country or not, that’s a secondary issue. Personally I would tend to let her stay, if it was me, so long as the number one condition above was fulfilled. That may not be realistic though. @mineter yes, I also repeat my advice… Read more »
Also, I might have not have mentioned I’m catholic, and wondering if guys can point me to good RP resources from a Christian perspective.
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Some one is going to recommend Dalrock, but it’s mostly purple pill. A deep blue purple
Also I agree with not fucking her again. Sex is the main way she’ll flip the script on you
@Mitch – wait, what?? You’ve already told her you’re dumping her?? Dude, get to a lawyer NOW. You need to understand your options and the lay of the land before doing shit like that. Now you’ve done it – but still get to a lawyer ASAP to figure out the best way of doing it. Sentient/Zipper – I’ve read enough of Sentient’s posts to remember something – I think Sentient mentioned several times that he told his wife something like “If this doesn’t work out, I guess we’ll get divorced” (or somethign to that effect) in a matter of fact… Read more »
LOL Can’t imagine having to go to a high price consultant firm to make a EE problem go away. It ain’t Somila over there but it ain’t an UMC suburb either
IAS, thought you had a side piece? If so, that seems like decent progress to me
Just catching up with some of the comments here now. I’ve slept with a few Eastern Europeans (no Ukrainians yet) and everything dirka dirka says is spot on – both generally about women and those cultures in particular (btw dirka dirka – come over to the Field Reports thread and hang out – you sound like you’d be a good fit). In a way it actually reminds me of my experiences on sugar daddy dating sites. There are obvious differences but it’s similar in that the very act of being on an SD site (like the very act of going… Read more »
@SFC Ton – I can’t really do justice to the story – I don’t even remember all the details from the podcast, but the client was an actual billionaire, not just UMC, and his brief to O’Brien was that the gold digger relationship had to be ended in such a way that the son didn’t know his dad had rigged it, *and* it maintained the son’s relationship with his dad (already strained because of the girl), *and* the son had to be persuaded to voluntarily ditch the girl. Essentially, he was a blue pill kid in lurrrve..and O’Brien had to… Read more »
@Ton: probably you are thinking about someone else or you misinterpreted my “penpal” situation. No side piece here, still N=1, took me like 2 years since learning about RP to even be willing to get side action and a few months ago I freaked out from getting a K close with a random (kind of funny now that I think about it, actually).
Culum Zipper Not an explicit threat to divorce her if she didn’t shape up – more an indication he was willing to burn it to the ground if needed. That may be what Zipper’s remembering. Good memory Culum. Yes I had been away on a trip and stumbled on Alpha Game Plan thinking it was a finance blog, read nearly all of it and AK’s blog… got home, woke up and just ruminated matter of factly like “whoa… we are going to get a divorce if things don’t change, it’s inevitable”… which my wife has since referred to as the… Read more »
IAS
I made some progress, but it doesn’t seem like much 😦 I guess I should use that “WTF” above for myself.
Good point about Mitch and Italy. About this ^^^
Your wife is in another country right? You have tons of free time… Game is all day everyday because girls are everywhere – IF you want to get one that is. Maybe you don’t really.
Also I agree with not fucking her again. Sex is the main way she’ll flip the script on you
She may be “pregnant” already…
Going home with the shame of a divorce will not be easy for her, tho.
Well gee she should have thought about that before she starting talking to strange men on the internet.
After my mom came off the pedestal it was very easy to finally accept female intelligence as rooted in hypergamous servile survival of self. The root of my man intelligence is heroic survival of self. Who deserves your heroism? Her? I deserve my heroism, no one else, so my kids see how that sword is effectively wielded. I would not want my kids to see me (again) have to clean up a giant mess that could have been avoided had I been man enough to act when acting was warranted. Hamlet wasted time thinking about being and not being. He… Read more »
Mitch: . . . good RP resources from a Christian perspective . . . Red Pill is Red Pill. It’s cold, brutal, and harsh. There are some who attempt to blunt that by offering the truths in the context of Christianity but the result is usually mushy. Regarding Catholicism: it’s your soul. You are the one who will be standing for an accounting, not whoever catechized you, nor the one who administers sacraments to you, nor your concerned neighbor, nor the infamous Internet St. Blogs brigade. Do what you think is best and continue to avail yourself of the sacraments… Read more »
@Sentient: I was pretty sure I wanted to get side-action, but actions speak for themselves and I don’t have much to show since I “decided” I was ok with going beyond hugs (LOL that sounds so high-school – or not even that). Wife is in a different country. I’m on the tail end of a 2 week visit on “her turf”, so to speak. It is impressive how much of a difference it makes, and even more impressive how much my memory tricks me to forget the worse parts when I get desire sex. Too much arguing and negativity. The… Read more »
Insanity bytes
Where is he forcing her to do anything? Did he abduct her from Ukraine? He does have some leverage for now but so do harridans like you who can blow up their families and walk away with cash and prizes all under the cover of the “law”. Why does that not enter into your definition of abuse you solipsistic twit?
@SJF:
Make her cave in….
I didn’t see that post until this morning. Absolutely Golden right now.
@ias
Good memory. For the record I did fuck her in Italy. Didn’t make the heavens shake, but she enjoyed it.
Mitch
Also, I might have not have mentioned I’m catholic,
You will need to get an annullment. Under the circumstances that might be straightforward.
and wondering if guys can point me to good RP resources from a Christian perspective.
Search up Donal Graham and Dalrock.
@mitch Welcome to the party pal, I think you’re getting there. No doubt others will point it out but she will go into “Hoovering mode” now. She will make great displays of affection, lust and servitude. She will use every rhetorical and slutty trick in the book to try and convince you that her intentions are pure and she only momentarily strayed. She will go straight to your Catholic paradigm and petition for forgiveness. I have no doubt she’s offered up anal in the last 48 hours on top of at least 2 BJ’s, whatever it is it’ll be stepped… Read more »
Mitch, I sincerely hope this doesn’t happen, but I’m waiting for your next post to be from a cell because she leveled DV charges at you. ZFG is an attitude, not a tactic. I think you showed way too much of your hand. You’ve put the ball in her court. Now we see who she gets to return it for her.
In cauda venenum
Mitch, pay attention to Ton and Sentient – stop sexing her.
‘Family” in the US is now the “child support” model. If she’s even remotely fertile, i.e. hasn’t gone through menopause yet, an “oopsie” pregnancy would give her a stronger position. Of course she can still get knocked up no matter what, as Sentient wrote, she may already be “pregnant”. That’s how AF-BB works. You are the Beta. DNA testing is your friend in that case.
Bites
Think I’ll go find me a Ukrainian sex slave,force him to cook,clean,and have sex with me,remind him I have all the leverage, and than threaten him with his green card, divorce and deportation.
You know what that’s called? That’s called abuse!
Dearie, we are busy trying to help Mitch right now and do not have time for your boring sexual fantasies. Kindly take them to own low-traffic blog, where your Beta orbiters will appreciate them.
At the risk of feeding the troll. Bytes, you remind me of my mother. It’s interesting to watch her decline into senility as she comes to grips and then flips into denial about the fact that she is losing all agency in the world. She’s a sociopath with daddy issues that she never resolved despite having forty solid years in which she could have slain her demons. Denial runs strong in the two of you. It’s sad to watch the two of you try and resusitate some kind of former power over the world with your sad little quips that… Read more »
Mitch Mitch, pay attention to Ton and Sentient – stop sexing her. ‘Family” in the US is now the “child support” model. If she’s even remotely fertile, i.e. hasn’t gone through menopause yet, an “oopsie” pregnancy would give her a stronger position. Of course she can still get knocked up no matter what, as Sentient wrote, she may already be “pregnant”. That’s how AF-BB works. You are the Beta. DNA testing is your friend in that case. Further on this point… since you are naive in the extreme it needs to be pointed out to you – IT DOESN’T MATTER… Read more »
Somewhat off topic
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/08/29/toxic-masculinity-and-male-privilege/
“Bytes, you remind me of my mother.”
Well, I am quite blessed not to be your mother. Grateful for that,indeed.
Also, I am quite delighted with my father, both my earthly one and my heavenly one,and my husband too. I never overplayed my hand, I played my hand beautifully.
“Also, I am quite delighted with my father, both my earthly one and my heavenly one,and my husband too. I never overplayed my hand, I played my hand beautifully.”
you share the same modesty too.
@Mitch: fair enough, you still went and you fucked her in Italy. Thanks for clarifying I thought you had called it off. At the time you were overt, and probably believed you won that battle because you did get sex, but apparently forcing her to play her hand (sex), she did play it and she got you. Now listen to what the others are saying, don’t be so overt. You are borderline forcing her to play her hand (more sex, and if that doesn’t work, false accusations could follow). Don’t force her to make her stronger moves until you are… Read more »
@Mitch: “Hey Paul. Keep up, man. That was the convo last November.”
So which part of her being a professional husband hunter who is already hunting up her next husband do you still not get?
MITCH:
Wait, she’s trolling for betas while the two of you are still in the first year “honeymoon” period???
So she’s just feeding and bedding you and playing cutie-pie housewife until there’s no risks for her misbehavior…WTF do you think she’s going to do once the green card is granted and she doesn’t have to risk alienating your support/sponsorship???
Wow, buy a clue and hire a lawyer.
“So which part of her being a professional husband hunter who is already hunting up her next husband do you still not get?” Lol. Softek 2.0: “On a side note this Softek 180’ing fiasco is a GREAT example of how and why Boyfriend Destroyers work. Like I said before, if you talk shit about her boyfriend, she’ll defend him, if you compliment him, she’ll insult him. Everyone’s calling his girl BPD, so instinctively he wants to defend her ESPECIALLY when guys give him the justification to DO SO by minimizing her behavior. “oh but I said afterward “but you should… Read more »
Cypher wants back in the matrix. He don’t wanna remember nothin.
@ Mitch
You stated you actively sought a woman in this age range because you don’t want any more children!
So why the fuck did you marry the ukrainicorn then? What’s in it for you exactly?
Women respect and are loyal to power and you gave 90% of your power away by saying “I do”.
” You can’t turn a hypergamous ukrainicorn into a housewife” – Dr Dre.
Cringeworthy. Husbands in the west are prey for professional hunters. It amounts to abuse and misogyny if the prey raises finger when hunter’s crosshairs fix on a new target. How fucked up is that?
Huge problem with the Red Pill is that it invites endless analysis and gabbing. But my real awakening, after Gaming hard for a while, came when I recognized this shit just isn’t that complicated. You and many others here are keyboard jockeys. Guys who love to talk about the Red Pill and read endlessly and watch videos all the time are essentially caught in your own intellectual buffering that actually prevents you from embracing your masculinity. Instead you talk about it. Let me put it another way for @Mitch. Why isn’t she scared of losing you? Why do you think… Read more »
@Mitch There’s some really good advice going on here. I hope you are taking it on board, I really do. Its late where I am, in the morning I will try and give you some inclination about what reality is for Ukrainian/Russian women. Its not what you think it is. Your ‘relationship’ is not what you think it is. I actually love these women, if I met your wife I would get on with her great I think. But I would never be in your shoes. On a scale of 1 – 100, measuring understanding of the situation, you would… Read more »
Re:Christianity Sure, what god puts together let no one destroy. Okay, did God actually put that together? God is not reflected by you marrying a professional wife, God was reflected when your brothers told you not to. God did not put that together. Just like he didn’t put together my marriage to a bipolar alcoholic that couldn’t stay employed for more than 3 months, who’s ex was a professional criminal. Seems silly today that I even considered seeing her, but I had to completely cut her out in order to move on. her and the emotional vortex around her is… Read more »
Mitch, SJF re: your question about kids. I was specifically looking for a woman past child-bearing age – or close to it because I don’t want to become a father at my age. She has a 27 year-old son, she was married for 10 years before her husband was murdered. Nice young man. What I’ve gleaned from her about her late husband is that he was basically a good guy, and extremely handsome and apparently the guy all the other girls wanted. So yeah. She is *literally* an Alpha Widow. Lol. Sort of. When he tried to get rough with… Read more »
Scribblerg Mitch
She has sold you on an image of her and a narrative that is total bullshit. She’s hustling you.
Not so….! Mitch done gone hustled himself… He sold her to him, and wants to double down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3kE0rvAJhM
Do it! Dance…
Yes, no doubt she is different. Funny I was out the other day in my happy social setting and one of my siblings brought along an old friend of hers. Used to be one of my Ex’s. I was her first, all of that. For her age, she’s kind of cute and has a good ass. Anyhow, she was there with her LTR whom she lives with for the last decade or so. He was about to jet her off to Europe for a week because ya know, she’s “the one”. Broadly speaking, she’s a “good girl”. nothing skanky, good… Read more »
Mitch – Please go see a lawyer today and find out what you need to do immediately to protect yourself and your assets.
Damn, I am surrounded by good men failing to keep their marriages together. Men like Mitch on the Internet, my own brother a year ago, and guys in my social circle. I say to myself, “yeah, but my marriage is red-pill.” And yet I have to remind myself that AWALT. My woman is not immune.
This shit is an abyss. Evolutionary biology.
mitch, look forward with sadness to your next post in 3 months after you figure out it was a terrible idea to not withdraw your petition for green card immediately
hell, you can always refile the petition, no?
catholic? no one gives a shit – do what is right – and that is what is right for you and wrong for this daughter of eve who seeks to thieve and destroy you
sentient and dr zipper have been investigating the infidelity fora – listen to them
Ton – lol
Agent P Being somewhat salubrious later in the evening I had occasion to be alone with her for maybe three minutes.I grab her ass, breathe in her ear for ten seconds and she locks lips with me without me even trying. Wraps herself around me and pulls in close. I cut it off, gave her a smile and told her she could buy me lunch when she gets back. She batted her eyes which were screaming YES!!!! Nice… once you’ve had a girl, that door is always open a crack. You are preselected by her. Erik This shit is an… Read more »
Mitch it don’t add up ? Why did she leave the computer on? Why did she leave it open to Skype ? Married weman don’t get caught unless they want to get caught cheating ? Why did little miss unicorn leave a bread crum trail for you to chase ? Is she testing you ? Trying to see what she can get away with ? Does she have zero respect for you and zero fear to lose your interest ? Or is she just trying to generate enough drama to get that cat wet so y’all can finally have some… Read more »
Whew!! You guys are doing some heavy lifting. @ Mitch The other commenters are doing a bang up job, so I don’t have too much to add that would be helpful. But this caught my eye – ” Just an aside on my being a catholic: I do not in *any way* think that makes me a better person than any of you. It doesn’t make me noble, or tragic, or anything. It just comes down to those are my philosophical commitments, for my own reasons that I’m clear about, and they are fundamentally incompatible with becoming a Nietzschean Superman.… Read more »
The problem Mitch is you are reading the Bible from a comeplety effeminate frame.
Wacthed this after the fight and it was just a perfect example of how women should be in your life and how you interact with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNizPKzpth8 Two “hawt” girls – in the background, standing around looking pretty, being ignored – because all of the DPA men in the room are about their mission, MPoO and The Platinum Rule and these two mean fuck all to them. Instructive. This is how you need to act around girls… Adjuncts to what your doing… Now compare the chodeness they deal with day in and out, the chasing, the thirst… https://www.instagram.com/p/BYSn6gQgzE4 Samantha deals… Read more »
The girls enter stage right at 2:20. and stand there for the next hour and 16 minutes… saying nothing.
Mitch,
If you were right the first time, and she is BPD, you know you need to get out RIGHT NOW.
Just do a little research on the subject. Game is no match for BPD. No matter what you do, the lies and affairs will never, ever stop.
Hypergamy doesn’t care, it’s true, and holding frame and instilling dread are important for any normal marriage, but what you are up against seems far worse than that. Normal women at least wait until the honeymoon is over before they get unhaaaaaaapy…
I wonder how Floyd would fare in the octagon? 30 secs?
I would give Mayweather 90 seconds in the octogon. He is one hard mother fucker to hit, which is what makes him a great, though boring, fighter and he could probaly duck a take down or 3
@Mitch Fun to read again from you! I was one of these guys who gave you a hard time in the comments on Rollo´s last article. Was with another name (don´t know which name i used, was an older laptop). Now I am impressed about your honesty – this is definitely one of your strengths. Now following advice is none of your strengths, we all know that. So I hesitate to give you any advice at all. Because I am really afraid that you will compile the advice of the probably soon 500 comments here, and then find a way… Read more »
Not trolling, but…. All this discussion is just that, way too much talk and hopelessly little action. Even Rollo featuring this example of Mitch is a bit pathetic from my RP perspective. Real men talk less and act more. Act sooner than later, act without so much analysis. Act on today’s knowledge. Act on experience. Action is rooted in confidence. Ignore the femtrolls. Responding to them is akin to responding to a woman’s hysteria. Do you? If so, fucking stop, NOW. “Man up” means clam up. Be a man. Woman need to talk shit out. Men act on survival needs.… Read more »
@Vader, one thing I believe RP men of the “just do it” stripe need to remember is that not everyone in this community is at the same level of understanding, and incidents like Mitch’s represent a teachable moment for guys still in the doubting phase. I could’ve just let this fade into obscurity, but some men need to see the process of another man becoming Red Pill aware. Frankly, I think a lot of RP men expect all of the truths they already know should be self evident to every man. They aren’t. So claiming they ought to know better… Read more »
Cult-I-Vader
Act… in 196 words…
So the Khan of Kahans, who loved himself some retribution was a pussy
Got it
Cult I Vader Ignore the femtrolls. Mostly. But I-Bites has provided us with an example that’s useful. Because she’s exactly the kind of mean old girl that any man is likely to encounter in the anti-family court system, the “counseling” system, etc. Mitch, imagine that you are in the process of sending back your bad deal to Ukraine and she suggests you both meet with a “marriage counsellor”. Behind a desk with a pair of steel rim glasses is I-Bites. Think anything good is going to happen? Mitch, if your bad deal decides she’s going to go to the local… Read more »
@Sentient …
My RP Circle of Fifths. Act to Survive, Prosper, Lead, Procreate, Cultivate.
Sharpened or Flattened.
Harmonize.
Mitch
Do you Journal? What may help is getting all three of Rollo’s books and writing your life notes in the margins of the pages. You may be able to reflect and act on what has happened in your life in a more personal way that helps you become more reliant on your own frame and existence.
cult – good emphasis on the action over words; here on the forum, what other action do we have? if the comments were nothing more than dudes telling about their solid RP exploits then no doubt, that would suck instead, we get to hear one man after another telling a similar story and those further up the RP path can either empathize and help, or be exasperated that the fucker is so far behind as long as these dudes are putting forth *some* effort, they may be worth saving, that’s the point of this site, comments and all (ping back… Read more »
“What may help is getting all three of Rollo’s books and writing your life notes in the margins of the pages.”
If you make your notes in a blank book where your thoughts can spread out and breath a bit, then when you are done you will find that where you started out with one book you now have two. One written by the original author and one written by yourself.
Can you really be redpilled if you’ve never had sex or been in relationship? I want to think that im a redpilled guy but im a afraid that im only purple on solely because i have no sexual experience as a 25 year old guy.
mike – I could only think that a RP guy does what he wants…. hard to believe a 25 yo man is wanting to not have sex; therefore, no, not RP
@Mike Of course you can be RP without real life experience. RP and BP are first and foremost a set of believes about the world and how men and women interact. Before I made my diving licence, I already hold the believe that (reef-) sharks are not dangerous, and I was eager to see one while diving. Now the first time a shark came close to me 15 meters under water, I was still a bit more scared and impressed than I imagined (and no, I am not comparing women with sharks here 😉 So sure you can be a… Read more »
Guys, thanks for the solid advice. Just finishing up work and headed home but thought I’d post an update to hopefully put your minds at ease. 1) she tried to con me into sex last night. Of course I didn’t and won’t. I have been stone cold with her since yesterday. 2) she doesn’t have access to any of my assets, I give her a cash allowance every month. 3) While I haven’t (yet) consulted a divorce lawyer, i live in a no-fault state in which assets accumulated since the marriage began are split in half. That would be basically… Read more »
AWALT = by degree.
thank you.
The expert vetters new bride is skyping other dudes yet he is better at vetting then others
That shit makes no sense. Maybe one of the fancy pants with a high school diploma can explain that logic to me
It’s not about your odds and hoping for the best
It’s about risk mitigation and being prepped for the worse case
“Maybe one of the fancy pants with a high school diploma . . .”
Lets me out.