Confidence and the Safety Net

Presently I’m putting the final touches on my third book, The Rational Male – Positive Masculinity. I’m now going through the final proofing stages of the print version while I await the reformatting for the digital version. As if that weren’t enough, this time of year tends to be my busiest with regard to promo gigs and brand developments stuff for my “real” job. So if my posts for the next couple of weeks seem a bit sporadic that’s why.

In the midst of this, however, I came across a comment by a long time lurker, Logic, that dovetailed so perfectly with the Afterword of the new book so well that I’ve decided to quote parts of it in the book:

I don’t comment a lot in this blog. However, I think it is important to make a comment that many will probably disagree with but is certainly true for me.

If you ask someone what is the greatest benefit he gained by reading Rollo’s articles, I am sure that you will get various responses:

“I finally got laid”

“I managed to successfully spin plates”

“I understood the true nature of women”

“I stopped giving a fuck and focused on myself (and the women came after)”

…etc

I am sure that all of these are true, not the least reason being that I have experienced these benefits myself.

However, if I may suggest an unpopular opinion, the greatest benefit that one gets from reading Rollo’s article is the fact that you are giving yourself a safety net. And the most important thing in my opinion is that you give yourself this safety net EVEN IF you don’t truly believe what Rollo writes.

If I may elaborate briefly, by safety net I mean LITERALLY safety net. The safety net’s purpose is not for you not to fall. It is for you not to DIE after you have fallen. I believe this is an important distinction (and forgive me Rollo if you have touched on this in one of your articles already). At least for me this is HUGE.

There is a nontrivial probability that you ARE going to fall. Unless you really swear to not EVER feel ANY emotional connection with a woman, then it is highly likely that at some point you WILL fall in love with a girl. Sure, I am positive that many guys will consider that this is something that they can control now that they are Red Pill aware, but you MAY at some point fall in love and you WILL lose your “cool” (btw if you don’t want to call it love call it infatuation; there will be a girl whose combination of laughter, looks, mannerisms and personality will produce this to you; if you want to deny it go ahead and you may be right. But as I said this is just MY humble opinion).

So where does the whole “safety net” come into play? Well, it comes into play when things go south. You WILL loose your cool and she might not notice but then again she also may notice. You will think that this girl is different. Again, it is easy to say that AWALT, but you are not dealing with a bunch of 1s and 0s. It is a human being, standing in front of you, with a personality, with a voice, with interests, opinions and the like. So your brain will tell you that THIS one is different.

And when it turns out that she is not, and she goes cold or dumps you, or cheats on you, then my friend you are going to be JUST FINE. Because you have a safety net. I am not saying that you won’t be sad (you will) but you won’t try to throw yourself under a bridge. The safety net is placed there for a simple reason. The reason is that, in the beginning stages of your infatuation, before you started thinking that she is “not like that”, a little voice inside of you said “You have read about this situation in the Rational Male brother. This may be an illusion. Be careful”.

Yes, you muted that voice for a while, but you never killed it. And when the inevitable happened this little voice came back and said ” Oh well. We knew it. Nothing wrong with giving it a shot. Now let’s move on. Hey check out Little Miss Perkytits at the counter.”

I know that many of you will laugh at this but, to me at least this is a big deal. I also think that the analogy of the safety net is pretty accurate. Even if all of Rollo’s writings hadn’t helped me AT ALL with getting laid, improving myself etc and THE ONLY benefit was gaining that safety net, I think that reading Rollo’s articles would have still bee very much worth it.

I thought this metaphor of a safety net was apt. The history that comes after a man has unplugged himself from his old Blue Pill mindset is in some ways more poignant that what a man does while he is still trapped in his old way of thinking. It’s easier to forgive yourself of the decisions you made in Blue Pill ignorance, but when you become Red Pill aware you own those decisions. As Logic points out, you can only read and absorb what I or any other Red Pill author has to relate to you – at some point you’re going to either consciously or not put this new awareness into practice.

As such you’re bound to make mistakes or false starts. No one makes it on their first jump. It takes time and practice along with an educated Red Pill awareness to internalize and transition into a new way of life. One reason I wrote A New Hope was to help newly unplugged men get past the anger and nihilism stages of unplugging, but also to warn them that the want to achieve the old Blue Pill idealistic hopes will be a strong impulse until they come into a new understanding of Red Pill, realistic, hopes for themselves. In that stage, and even after, there will always be mistakes and falls along the way.

The difference now is that you have a new confidence in the knowledge that Red Pill awareness provides for you. Whereas before you struggled with both a lack of understanding intersexual dynamics and the deliberate misdirection of you ever understanding it, now you have the Red Pill Lens. Now you have a perspective that in most ways insulates you from ever thinking your situation is hopeless. Red Pill awareness provides you with a map and a safety net that allows you to make accurate corrections to your Game, to your relationships and to your life no matter if you fall, no matter your temporary setback. Many a disingenuous critic would have men believe the Red Pill is all about anger or fomenting a belief that men are victims of an unfair system, but what they conveniently ignore is the overwhelmingly positive effect Red Pill awareness has in men’s lives. A great source of confidence comes from a man knowing he’s been emancipated from a Blue Pill paradigm that’s conditioned him to blind himself to its influence.

Reader, and long-time friend, Morpheus responded with this:

Exactly right. All of it!

My 2nd marriage recently ended (about 6 weeks ago my wife left me and informed me she was filing for divorce) and to be honest I’ve sort of surprised myself just how emotionally unaffected I’ve been compared to my first marriage ending (which was before Red Pill, Rollo, and Rational Male). I’ve actually had multiple people comment incredulously at just how well I am doing. I’ve recommitted to a much more intense and frequent workout regimen, and am down about 20 pounds in those 6 weeks.

I credit my Red Pill perspective for enabling me to stay relatively stoic about it all, and refocus on something positive. I think it helps that I realize I haven’t lost my “Soulmate” because that is bullshit to begin with, and that women are fungible at least partly. Don’t get me wrong, I really do feel like I lost by best friend and have times of sadness. It certainly helps to realize that “Little Miss Perktits/Tight Ass/Tighter Wetter Pussy” is out there, and I’ll be fucking her soon enough.

I’d add that my Red Pill perspective also clues me in to what awaits my soon to be ex-wife who is 43 going on 53 in terms of her menopausal stage and very overweight (we started dating when she was 32 with the body of a fitness model). Schadenfreude is probably the wrong term since I don’t actively wish her a horrible experience in the SMP, but I do know she is in for a very rude awakening once she tests the dating waters.

But yeah, you are absolutely right. The fact of the matter is many “Red Pill” guys are going to form strong emotional bonds with women, and it will hurt when those bonds are severed unless you are a psychopath who doesn’t feel emotions like love, affection, etc. But the most powerful thing about the Red Pill perspective is knowing you will be JUST FINE and that truly the world is filled with other female options.

Anyone who’s read my post What’s Your Problem? probably has a good idea of what motivated me to write what I do going on 16 years now, but when I read stories like this and I get emails or Tweets to let me know how what I’ve made men aware of has somehow changed or saved a man’s life it’s always a humbling experience. As I’ve stated in both my books, I’m not in the business of making better men, I’m in the business of helping men become better men themselves. No formulas, no Top Ten Ways to,… lists, just actionable intelligence; but that information still requires a man come to applying it to his own life in a way which works for him.

Even if all Logic gets from my work is the sense of confidence that he has the right intel about how he can better direct his life despite any momentary downside I consider that a success of my intent as a Red Pill writer. When you look at the appalling statistics of male suicide and you understand the correlation of it with the rise of a feminine-primary social order that teaches men to loathe their own gender and accept their superfluousness, knowing that the Red Pill can provide some insulation against it is encouraging. My first reflex when I read a story like that of Morpheus is to presume the man is a suicide risk; his response to his situation is an example of how Red Pill awareness is not just an exercise in warning and preparing men of what to expect, but also a safety net in case a man must deal with the worst.

From the 16 Commandments of Poon

VII. Always keep two in the kitty

Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

As I get closer to completing whats become a herculean task of finishing this book (it’s now at 340 pages!) I’m taking some time to reflect on what I’ve done not just with this new book, but what I’ve built in the Manosphere for over 15 years now. I may be one of the 3 ‘R’s of the ‘sphere, some might say I’m the godfather of the Red Pill and my work is required reading for the Red Pill Reddit sub, but I’ll never be comfortable with all that so long as there are guys who are still despondent in their Blue Pill paradigm. The Red Pill is ‘open source’ and its strength lies in its decentralized way of openly debating and testing the strength of ideas. I’m humbled that many men have had their lives changed by what I write, but it’s really a testament to their own resolve – all I do is connect dots, remember?

If it’s not too much to ask, for this week’s comment thread I’d like to get some feedback on how the Red Pill has changed your life. Maybe it’s been my work, maybe it’s due to others in the ‘sphere, but as I get closer to finishing book three I wanted to get men’s Red Pill testimonies, so to speak, to help with the summation of the book.

Thanks.

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fleezer
fleezer
8 years ago

“I would suggest the best way to learn about yourself is trial by fire and not taking quizzes and reading and shit.” this was true for me. first knowing, not thinking, but knowing, that I will kill anything and anyone not related to me (and even some that are) and eat anything to stay alive was hard for me. I thought I was a bad person (religious indoctrination) “If you want to understand your personality, don’t take the Meyers-Briggs test. You’ll learn more with a Ouija Board or lizard entrails.” this was not true for me. being forced to do… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
8 years ago

ignore her beauty. can’t remember which CH max # this is but its solid and we all know it is. maybe someone has said why but if so I don’t remember

There are many reasons but ultimately because it is deferential to her, and she will interpret this as weakness in you.

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

Anon01: you’re mistaken. You can’t work off a glucose-rich diet unless you’re Michael Phelps. Read Gary Taubes.

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@BuenaVista “You can’t work off a glucose-rich diet unless you’re Michael Phelps.” I’m familiar with Taubes’ work. For starters, I know more than 10 people who include a big % of carbs in their daily diets and manage to be shredded. Also, after reading Taubes’ work you should at least spend the same amount of time reading “debunking” posts/articles online. I believe you’ll find plenty. To be clear, if someone is overfat, eating less carbs, will reduce his calories and cause fat loss, so I’m not really saying he shouldn’t do that. Basically, that’s the reason so many people believe… Read more »

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

Anon01, you neither restated anything Taubes wrote accurately, nor what I said about the subject.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“calories can be ignored when carbs are limited”

Just to keep the record straight, he’s not saying that calories don’t matter. He’s saying you aren’t likely to overeat if you limit carbs. When people say “That only works because you’re lowering calories,” he responds something like , “Yeah, isn’t that the point?”

What he’s not saying is that carbs, or the lack thereof, somehow violate the energy equation.

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@kfg “Just to keep the record straight, he’s not saying that calories don’t matter.” I’m sorry, but let’s agree to disagree. In his “good calories, bad calories” he does argue that point directly, and indirectly with examples of cases. – – – – – – – – – @BuenaVista This is what you wrote: “You can’t work off a glucose-rich diet unless you’re Michael Phelps.” And, you are mistaken. You can work off a glucose-rich diet, as long as calories and protein intake are controlled. I’ve been doing it forever, and many others have(eg,https://www.superfoodly.com/the-ikarian-diet-the-best-kept-secret-in-longevity/). Do whatever works for you though.… Read more »

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

Since we’re on the topic…

“Substantial evidence was found for a causal effect of BMI on mental health, such that a higher BMI decreased subjective well-being and increased depressive symptoms. No consistent evidence was found for causality in the other direction.”
http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/07/26/168690

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“I’m sorry, but let’s agree to disagree.” I can’t do that, Dave, because . . . “In his “good calories, bad calories” he does argue that point directly, and indirectly with examples of cases.” I have read it and he doesn’t do anything of the kind. He argues that partitioning can make calories unavailable for energy, driving overeating to make up the difference. Eliminate that “off the top” skimming and storing of calories and you eliminate the overeating, because you don’t want to any more. Satiety is reached with a lower number of calories consumed, so it isn’t necessary to… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

I despise the term fit

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

I think fit is a perfectly good word and don’t know of any alternative without significant and pointless syllabic expansion, which I despise.

I don’t particularly like the way it is typically misused though. When someone tells me that I look fit, I respond “For what?”

Which apparently makes their synapses stop firing or something.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

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Never counted a calorie. Didn’t know what a calorie was. Neither did anybody else. Didn’t need to.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
8 years ago

When someone tells me that I look fit, I respond “For what?”

If they immediately respond “for fight or flight”, you’ll have found someone worth talking to.

anon
anon
8 years ago

“j. a new ending for my novel.”

So, um, is there any way to know the title of this new work?
I’m just…um, wondering….
Just a casual question from an anonymous participant on the vast internet….
In a totally un-needy way (of course!)

…Even though it’s seriously killing me I might never read this.

Use an alias and tell me the name of the novel, for the love of God! PLEASE!?!

PLEASE!!!!!

anon
anon
8 years ago

Sorry, the above commentary was to BV. Forgot to include that bit.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

novel title: “I married a tranny fighter jockey”

anon
anon
8 years ago

LOL
No way, Gamer. Haven’t you heard?
The tranny anything military is only june 2016 to July 2017.
😉

SFC Ton
8 years ago

No they never counted a calorie and they didn’t look like that. I have never seen anyone that far down the technology scale look healthy or muscular

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@anon

don’t backtalk me, darlin’, daddy’ll have to spank you

Roused
8 years ago

@kfg

“Never counted a calorie. Didn’t know what a calorie was. Neither did anybody else. Didn’t need to.”

Even as my metabolism slows I don’t feel any need to count. It’s like an N-count. Why the fuck do you need to?

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

http://www.bodybuildingreviews.net/bookreviews/Strongman/bbtwo.jpg

Atwater knew what a calorie was, but hadn’t published his first paper on the nutritional value of food yet, so this guy didn’t know about it.

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@SFC Ton
“I despise the term fit”

I am an ESL, so probably my interpretetion of the word fit is probably inaccurate and quite different from yours, since I just replaced it with something from my language. To me fit means “not fat” for women, and “abs and ability to do stuff that require upper body strength” for men.

Why do you despise it?

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

Fit means “suited to the purpose or task,” like a round peg fits in a round hole. A man who is fit for bicycle road racing is not fit for gymnastics. Neither are fit for heavyweight boxing.

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@kfg

Oh, now I kind of get why Ton doesn’t like it. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

That and the way the term is used is based mostly of aesthetics vs the ability to do any sort of useful work. What I have noticed is the more “fit” a man looks by modern standards the less capable he is of doing some version of work….. The expection being pro athletes and the like Find the typical guy who looks in shape at the gym and see if he can hump 170 plus pound of gear up and down the mountains of A-stan. Or build bunkers for a few days or do farm work etc etc I noticed… Read more »

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

Title would dox me. It’s not available now anyway. I’m still shopping it in NYC.

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@Ton

As you do the work, you get fit. I guess new arrivals to A-stan can’t hump 170# up and down the mountains…probably takes a month to build up to it.

My son-in-law, who used to be a flight attendant, started doing “horticulture” and it took him a month before he stopped being sore. I guess he’s fit for that now.

anon
anon
8 years ago

I understand and don’t want that.
Knowing it’ll be out there, though, and unable to read it is a major bummer.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

Two of the fittest men who ever lived:

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One obese, the other emaciated, but each was supremely fitted to the task they undertook. The obese wouldn’t make it up a mountain with helium balloon assist. The emaciated could haul 170 pounds up, but he’d need 17 goes.

rugby11
8 years ago

Confidence and safety

dr zipper
dr zipper
8 years ago

kfg, Ton – lotta similar examples, but it’s like those country boys who grew up throwing hay bales, pulling fences and digging holes, they may look a little tubby — or even scrawny — and walk funny in those boots, but get one pissed and you will find out what it’s like to be a flying hay bale; dudes like that can bench their tractor but you can’t tell from looking same for the iron workers and the men who do hard physical work, all day, for 20-30 years; that kind of strong goes to the bone and permeates their… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Then once again you guess wrong gamer

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Cross fit is another example. Cross fit for what? Nothing fucking useful.

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

Crossfit is an excellent way to get hurt, and bore everyone you encounter with your tales of Crossfit glory.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

LOL I am all about general physical preparedness at whatever level required for your field but making it an end goal all to iistelf isn’t impressive once boots hit the ground

Also I am on friendlyish terms with some of the best strength and conditioning coaches around. Every time a new pro level client tiers them they only ask for one thing

To get stronger. When strength improves every aspect of performance improves

IAS
IAS
8 years ago

Given that we are discussing strength topics (as we sometimes wind up doing), I’d like to know what you guys think about my lack of progress. I started StrongLifts 5×5 about 2 years ago, and I’m still on it. This program is 5×5 sets of linearly increasing weight on low bar Squats, Bench Press (BP), Barbell Row (BR) then on another day low bar Squats, Overhead Press (OHP), and 1×5 Deadlift (DL). I’m stuck on the same weight on Overhead press for months (may even be a full year now, I can check if needed)… I can OHP 5×5 just… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

You are probaly not driving your head forward and down as the bar travels up. That gets your upper back to fire Your tricpes are weak. Why do I say that? Because like damn near everyone has weak tricpes Arching your back is proper bench press form, so is driving with your legs, tucking your chin at the start of the lift and driving it back as the bar progresses up, gripping the absolute shit out of the bar, tucking your elbows into your side and trying to rip the bar apart as you drive. Whatever a body builder says… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Tldr
Don’t lift like a fucking bodybuilder and also it might be time to get away from such a basic program

dr zipper
dr zipper
8 years ago

“If you ever have to use your body in a real world oh shit you want your body use to work as a complete unit” this is what I was getting at about the farm boys being ‘as strong as a country hoss’ comment above; it’s not just about pumping muscles up in isolation, the nervous system is also part of the training; how many times will there be a need for an emergency bench press to save a child from a fire? but tossing 100# of dead weight over shoulder and climbing down a ladder? better have some coordination… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
8 years ago

hey, let’s tie all this back to the PUA/RP debates lol PUA is like getting those big guns that make the women swoon; little do they know you’ve skipped leg day, core day, chest day, and back day; no biggie, all you need are those big biceps to score; no judgement, whatever works, though this tends to be more of a younger man’s focus RP is like improving your whole body, self, and mind to not only handle the women, but anything else that life throws at you; all your strengths coordinated together just seems like a better solution, but… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Oh yeah Dr. I understood your point

A buddy of mine is a gym owner and has squatted 1000 pounds. One day some chick was talking to him about wanting to meet that guy who was the strongest guy in his gym. She was referring to a state level body builder and not this man with his name in the record books

Anyway that’s kind of how I see PUA and Game vs rooted masculinity. They work becuase women can’t tell separate reality from illusion

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“Don’t think walking around with 170 pounds would be much of a problem for any reasonable distance” When he lifts 170 lds, he lifts 170 lds. When he carries 170 lds. up a mountain he lifts 525 pounds, each step a single leg rep. The mass that helps him jerk a bar just drags him down a mountain. It’s just physics and you can’t beat it. Climbing specialists are light and lean, because they have to be. Even every ounce of muscle tissue that doesn’t contribute is shed. Anyone with half a brain knew that 165 lb. Armstrong was doped… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

But you ain’t rock climbing on patrols

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

IAS, my coach was a grad student/assistant with the Iowa football strength coach. The latter is the highest paid university strength coach in the country at the moment. He’s regularly recruited by NFL and other P5 schools (which is how you get annual raises to stay in Iowa City!). So he, as Ton noted, directs different volumes, different reps. I’m really surprised your program straightlines you at 5; I’d also think it gets boring. Lately I’ve been out for medical reasons, but when in the mix we usually hit at least one PR each week. He has a strong bias… Read more »

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

KFG, so you’re saying 320 lb. offensive linemen who hang clean 450 are fat and unathletic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PITbmnDZCaY

Aerobic athletes are solving a different problem than those who have to apply force against the ground, and optimize for explosiveness.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@Ton: “But you ain’t rock climbing on patrols” You specified hauling gear up a mountain. That is what I addressed. I didn’t bring up rock climbing. The example I gave was a paved motor road. If you’ve got two guys who you know produce the same amount of power, you can weigh them with a stopwatch, to ounce precision. Big guys are more fit for carrying loads on the level, but guys with the best power to weight ratio are more fit for carrying loads up hills. Pipe cleaners are more fit for moving fast, unladen, over long distances. Fitness… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@Buena Vista: “KFG, so you’re saying 320 lb. offensive linemen who hang clean 450 are fat and unathletic?”

Read the thread again.

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

“If you’ve got two guys who you know produce the same amount of power, you can weigh them with a stopwatch, to ounce precision. Big guys are more fit for carrying loads on the level, but guys with the best power to weight ratio are more fit for carrying loads up hills.” Very helpful, thanks. Trained big guys and trained small guys don’t produce the same power — so that’s red herring #1. Also, having a great power-to-weight ratio is meaningless if you’re not strong enough to exert the force necessary to move heavy objects. You can’t can’t stuff with… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@Buena Vista:

Read the thread again.

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@IAS Have you ever tried Pavel Tsatsouline’s 40-day strength program? I do it twice every year and my lifts always go up. It’s also a good idea to check your form(ask someone who knows to watch you or take a video of yourself); mistakes like the one Ton described become more important as the weight increases. – – – – – – – – – – – – Also, you guys seem to look down on bodybuilding, but I find this the same as not doing any strength and conditioning. That Scherff guy might be strong and a very good… Read more »

rugby11
8 years ago

What an amazing world…

IAS
IAS
8 years ago

@Everyone: thanks for the advice and a few clarifications… The program I am on is a beginner program which is very similar to Rippetoe’s Starting Strength. They are both (as far as I understand) powerlifting / strength focused with lots of squatting, in contrast they are not bodybuilding / size focused (although at the starting level maybe it doesn’t make a big difference). It also uses only compound lifts, although not olympic ones. That has been good as the gyms I have been in don’t have rubber plates to drop the bar and it seems to me olympic lifts are… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Sorry kfg I am not dealing with the theoretical , it’s the stockier heavy set or however you want to say it young men who hold up to grind of humping up those mountains with the equivalent of their body weight in gear strapped on them

It grinds then thinner guys down pretty quick

SFC Ton
8 years ago

DL and squats are the same muscle groups by and large so it is common to have more volume on one and not the other. Some guys get away with barely deadlifting at all over the year, then 12-16 weeks before the contest they start deadlifting and working on their pulling skill set

Bodybuilding is great! If you want to loose every fight you get into and love basing your training on the various lies that industry sells because they won’t be honest about the steroid use.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
8 years ago

@IAS – I don’t know much about weight training. But I’ve finally got serious about it this year and I’ve finally reached the point (after years of false starts) where it just feels like a part of my life instead of something big I need to “make” myself do. Now you’re obviously already good at making time for it and doing the exercise but a couple of thoughts: 1. It all depends on what you want. What’s your goal? Are you looking for pure strength? Pure size? Something in between? Like those pictures kfg keeps posting – unless you know… Read more »

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@SFCTon “Bodybuilding is great! If you want to loose every fight you get into and love basing your training on the various lies that industry sells because they won’t be honest about the steroid use.” Well, I’ve only been in 3 fights in my life and, looking back, all of them could have been avoided. Unfortunately, I was stupid. Of course, you live in the US. Sometimes, the things you guys describe makes it feel like it’s a different planet there. You would run out of videos very fast if you tried to make “world star hip hop” in my… Read more »

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

IAS:

“That has been good as the gyms I have been in don’t have rubber plates to drop the bar and it seems to me olympic lifts are more technical and unforgiving if you make a mistake.”

Haha. That’s what my chiropractor says, while shaking his head. He’s a powerlifter and just says, “BV, just do everything slowly!”

Anon01, you might want to look up the definitions of “objective” and “subjective”, if you’re going to pontificate in English.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

I would stay away from the Olympic lifts unless you have high caliber technical coaching. Even then it’s likely to wreck your shoulders unless you are very disciplined in your technique. For. A GPP perspective, all the positives of the Olympic lifts can be had with other, safer and less technically demanding movements A man’s 1st duty is the ability to commit violence. That does not change on your location. Of course we have two very criminally minded demographic groups that was fucks our crime stats but the purpose of men is the purpose of men. It’s universal Back to… Read more »

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@BuenaVista
“Anon01, you might want to look up the definitions of “objective” and “subjective”, if you’re going to pontificate in English.”

Thanks for correcting my mistake.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

” . . . it’s the stockier heavy set or however you want to say it young men who hold up to grind of humping up those mountains with the equivalent of their body weight in gear strapped on them . . .” And that is the reason generally given for Navaho tending to be stocky and barrel chested. And, in their native environment, lean. The skinny marathon runner will go up the mountain faster, but he won’t be able to bear much load, as I have already noted. And at the other end of the spectrum, Alexeyev is already… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Also Annon01 a 1000 pound squat is more useful then you think. If nothing else that level of GPP and SPP makes you a lot more durable for everyday stuff like car crashes and routine illness plus…… It’s about what striving for those high end goals will do for your Frame and sense of self as you go through life.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“I would stay away from the Olympic lifts unless you have high caliber technical coaching.”

I would stay away from them if you aren’t planning on going to the Olympics. They are technical lifts for sporting purposes. In a sense they are “tricks.” If you aren’t competing there’s little reason to do them and a number of reasons not to.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“If nothing else that level of GPP and SPP makes you a lot more durable for everyday stuff like car crashes and routine illness plus…”

Yes. As does having a higher body fat percentage than Guido Sixpack. Medical statistics speaking I am at high risk of mortality by all causes, because for age adjusted fat percentage I am right off the bottom of the scale.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

I feel sick and weak if my bodyfat falls much bellow 14%. It’s been a real pain in the ass back in the day when the army liked to not feed you for extended periods of time

Anon01
Anon01
8 years ago

@SFCTon

I don’t doubt that there are benefits in squatting that much. What I’m saying is that there IS a point after which someone should consider ROI. And this is the subjective part. I understand why people do this; squatting 1,000 probably felt like doing drugs for this dude lol. But hitting the rear delt for that 3D shoulder pump feels good, too.

On that note, it’s early bed time for me tonight, catch ya later
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWN7Pfdh91U/?taken-by=strengthsensei1

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@Ton: “I feel sick and weak if my bodyfat falls much bellow 14%.” And if you troll back through the site you will find that I recommend 15% to those who are after all around physical robustness. Some can tolerate a bit lower, some will need a bit more, but the average, where the majority of people are, will be right around 15% as the optimum. The elderly may want a bit more to deal with the stresses of illness and injury, but that’s a judgement call in the same way that going below 15% for some competitive advantage is… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

I am sure that rear delt pump is exactly as satisfying as hearing the crowd go nuts and shaking hands with some of the world’s best strength athletes while receiving their respect after straining so hard in a squat you break the blood vessels in your eyes and nose

IAS
IAS
8 years ago

@Culum: my objectives in the gym is being healthier and stronger. Looking better is a far-off secondary to being stronger, for me, but I’m pretty sure getting stronger with compound lifts makes me look better. I’m on the “Looks matter a little bit, but not that much”. P.S. IMO YaReally’s actual position, was that looks do currently matter a little bit. He was just saying that the reason they do matter is current social conditioning rather than bio-evolved response. On that respect I’m more on Rollo’s side because it seems to me even for women it makes sense to have… Read more »

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

It’s time to start arguing about guns. I know who will carry that discussion too!

dr zipper
dr zipper
8 years ago

BV – good idea, I love a good bang

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“It’s time to start arguing about guns.”

A few days ago I intimated that I might be picking up a Glock 43 and nobody said nuthin’. Just wasted energy on my part.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

It’s a glock. Ugly and reliable with an overblown advertising gimmick but it’s hard to go wrong with one

anon
anon
8 years ago

“It’s time to start arguing about guns.”

Shogun by James Clavell, is very dangerous.
The book is some 1100 pages long, making it heavy enough to use as a bludgeon.
And it has no trigger warnings.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

I understood that I was tossing out bait to both the Glock and 9mm haters, but it was the capacity lovers that I thought would come out of the woodwork. I need something light weight and low drag that reliably goes bang on one end and has some real impact on the other. I’m subject to the NY SAFE Act. I can carry a ten round magazine, but I can only load seven. Revolvers lose out in the low drag area when I might be dressed in little more than body paint and printing isn’t simply a tactical error, but… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@anon:

I’ve got Tai-Pan on the short list. Tai pans are steel or cast iron, no flimsy aluminium crap. Not much range, but they pack a wallop.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

I like keltechs for that role. You never know if you’ll get tge firearm back from the cops if you ever need to use one to stop yourself from being culturally enriched

Better to be out less then $200 & the damn things go bang every time

Sentient
Sentient
8 years ago

Guns?

16″ is sufficient. Rock hard though. 💪

Body paint optional.

Sun’s out gents… 🌞 💪

SFC Ton
8 years ago

I’m more about the flowmaster vs magnaflow debate right now

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“You never know if you’ll get tge firearm back from the cops if you ever need to use one . . .”

We can’t have any nice things in NY. If I became “legally involved” I’d likely be stripped down to the point where I had to spread butter with a tongue depressor, and lord only knows if I’d ever see any of it back again, or in what condition.

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

I bought a carry pistol last winter, and I dry-fired both an SCCY and the revised Remington 51. Both are cheap and the SCCY is particularly sleek and impressive in its machining. They’re easy enough to rack that a girlfriend got the Remington. But I just don’t like the tiny pistols and wound up with a Bersa (Walther PPK knock-off). I just like metal pistols, and DA/SA. I also know who wins in any discussion of caliber. Hint: there are a lot of ex-LEO .40’s for sale right now. Ton likes to advise me to practice throwing my little pistols,… Read more »

BuenaVista
BuenaVista
8 years ago

(SCCY is DAO and available now in 9mm.)

SJF
SJF
8 years ago

“I understood that I was tossing out bait to both the Glock and 9mm haters, but it was the capacity lovers that I thought would come out of the woodwork.” Almost triggered me, but I knew you were going after sleek Marco Pantani aesthetics. And shit, 6 + 1 is almost as good as a titanium seven round revolver. http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/Taurus_627_Tracker_2-627049_01.jpg Among the 17 hanguns I keep scattered in my truck and basement reloading room, none are Glocks nor any chambered in .40 cal. Back in the day, I reloaded about 30,000 bullet rounds to shoot in competition. I’d shoot for… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

LOL if you didn’t live in the arctic fucking circle you probably wouldn’t need the extra penetration and a .380 would be semi ok

As it is you don’t live around much diversity so odds are you’d be ok either way

SJF
SJF
8 years ago

“As it is you don’t live around much diversity so odds are you’d be ok either way.” I live in the least socially diverse area I know of. (If the most annoying thing you have to deal with in ‘diversity’ is driving behind a slow Asian mom or Indian dad in a 45 mph zone, it’s not that bad.) I rarely rarely think about the seven firearms I have scattered around my 90% suburban/10% farm truck. I can keep them loaded with a concealed pistol license. They do come in handy when the occasional raccoon with distemper crosses paths at… Read more »

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@Ton It’s time to start arguing about guns. I know who will carry that discussion too! maybe…you triggered me LOL if you didn’t live in the arctic fucking circle you probably wouldn’t need the extra penetration and a .380 would be semi ok “semi-Ok”…naah…a .22 lr is better than a .380…head shot close range works great with a .22…and a .22 can be made cheaper and lighter and better handling for lightweights…less recoil and easier to keep on target and put 3 shots in the head in less than a sec…plenty of muzzle energy for a head shot Revolvers lose… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“…a .22 lr is better than a .380…” I’d be perfectly happy carrying .22lr, but . . . I hunt small game with self-contained air guns. Most of my shooting and choice of “load” is already predicated on taking head shots to put a slug into a brain case that’ll rattle around a bit in there. For me it’s “instinctive” shooting. I can do with a .177 springer what most people will tell you .22lr isn’t big enough for (including the sport hunter’s overhead, it only takes 5 fpe to kill a rabbit. Most of the energy of a .22lr… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

You don’t have the skill set to count on a headshot

For that matter neither do I these days but not all head shots are created equal. So unless you hit one of two places in the head there is no physiological reason for a tango to go down.

The basics are taught for a reason and whatever sense of greatness you have that makes you think the basics don’t apply to us is bullshit

SFC Ton
8 years ago

LOL I have never finished a fire fight and heard a man say he wanted less ammo or a smaller roound

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“You don’t have the skill set to count on a headshot”

Hence the Glock 43.

rugby11
8 years ago
theasdgamer
8 years ago

@Ton

You don’t have the skill set to count on a headshot

I do if I can surprise him at 30 ft. He may not go down immediately, but he likely won’t last a minute and he’ll have a splitting headache immediately. .22 lr is an assassin caliber for a reason…it’s also fucking easy to silence with homemade shit. His friends may not hear him go down. .380 in the torso is a fucking joke. .38 special hollow can do some serious damage, however, especially if you use the high power load.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Go on with your bad self then

Jafyk
Jafyk
8 years ago

Kayfa halok (how r u?) Bikhayr (fine) The Red pill has changed me in good ways and to some degree has awoken a sort of hopelessness. The good is that it has finally stripped off layers of deception and things we were supposed to accept as how it is and has revealed the truth of these matters. In that sense it has simplified life in a math like manner (cause/effect so as to speak). I no need to waste my time praying to God to bring the right chick into my life. I no longer have to guess a woman’s… Read more »

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@Ton

LOL I have never finished a fire fight and heard a man say he wanted less ammo or a smaller round

We’re not talking about a small unit military op. My tactics are unorthodox, for sure, and I don’t expect to have allies to help.

.22 hollow in the head will cause multiple projectiles to rattle around inside, causing massive bleeding. A silencer like a cardboard tube filled with toilet paper will make aiming more difficult, but I plan to have a few secs to aim.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
8 years ago

asd put away the confetty dispenser and the bottle nipples.Silencers are legal for target shooting.

” but I plan to have a few secs to aim.”

It isn’t fair shooting the handicapped unless they open the ball,then have at it no wait time.

https://www.silencershop.com/where-are-they-legal

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@stuff

Are silencers legal for self-defense?

theasdgamer
8 years ago

@stuff

I can burn my homemade silencer.

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