V-Day

Time again for the annual re-post of this Classic:

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Nothing says “I love you” like saturated fat and slutty lingerie.

In the U.S. businesses expect men to spend on average $186 for Valentine’s day – over three times the average a woman spends on a man. Explain to me why women own V-Day? If it’s a “celebration of romantic love” why should it be an annual shit test?

Lets clarify a few things about Vagintines Day since it’s become probably the most irksome manifestation of westernized/commercialized romanticism. V-Day is far and away the most vulgar display of female entitlement. On no occasion – even a woman’s birthday or her wedding anniversary – is this sense of entitlement more pronounced and our refined commercialization of this entitlement/expectation simply twists the knife in further for men to live up to this with ZERO expectation or entitlement to any reciprocation. He gets ‘lucky‘ if his romantic offerings are sufficient to appease her (social) media fueled expectations of ‘good enough’ to reward him with sex.

And exploit the media does. I can’t get away from it; Every radio station, every TV show, every newspaper and magazine article. Go to askmen.com right now, I guarantee there’s a “how not to fuck up this year’s V-Day for her” article there.

I listened to a talk radio show that I regularly tune into on my commute home on Friday; it was about what not buy this year. “Don’t buy lingerie, she knows it’s really a gift for you” or “Don’t pick up flowers at the gas station, women know they’re cheap”, and “God forbid you pick up some cheap jewlery or stop at one of those roadside urchins selling prepared flower baskets or arrangements – women know you didn’t think about it until you were on the way home.” On my way to work this morning, different show, same list. [Side Note: Never buy a woman lingerie, she will never be happy with it. A woman has to do this on her own to “feel sexy”, make sure it fits her right, and it’s HER IDEA. When you buy it for her it’s contrived and it is overt and overt is often the kiss of death for a try-hard guy.]

Why wouldn’t women have these expectiations? They’re relentlessly marketed to as the primary consumers in western culture. V-Day isn’t a celebration of romantic love, it’s a machine that drives a wedge of expectation and entitlement in between otherwise happy, relatively contented couples.

I’m not down on the idea of a special occasion to celebrate love (I actually proposed to Mrs. Tomassi on V-Day 18 years ago), I am down on the twisted expectations that have been perverted into it that puts a woman on some pedestal of entitlement by commercialized popularization of this feminized ideal. Why isn’t there an official “fuck your boyfriend like a wild animal” holiday or a list of criteria to meet that’ll make his day special? “Show him how appreciative you are of all his dependability and hard work this year – buy some lingerie ON YOUR OWN and pretend that you like him cuming in your mouth on his special day!” If women are so liberated and interested in equality, one would think this would be the first thing to occur to them. We need a special day to make us apprecitae each other?

Gentlemen, beware of falling into the trap of negotiating desire for Valentine’s Day performance. Don’t be lulled into thinking Game is any less necessary on V-Day. In fact, I can’t think of a more direct illustration of how the feminine encourages the transaction of men’s goods and services in exchange for a woman’s sexuality than reserving a ‘special day’ just for it. Remember, you cannot negotiate genuine desire; and with the right art, a bag of Skittles can be a more romantic gesture than all the sonnets, flowers and jewelry your inner romantic soul will ever be appreciated for by her.

Note to PUAs

Valentine’s Day is ripe with opportunity for an enterprising Man with the ability to see it. Go hit the clubs tomorrow night, particularly the ones that cater to a 25-40 y.o. affluent crowd. There’s a million different venues you can hit, all with promotions to help single ladies feel better about not having a date – usually with genderist drink specials to help your approach too. You’ll notice impromptu GNOs (girl’s night out) set up just for this occasion to prove to themselves “they don’t need men to have a good time.” A good PUA couldn’t arrange a better opportunity to hook up in multiple sets.

Don’t go play ‘pity friend’ with any girl on V-Day, don’t be the “you’re such a great friend” consolation date.. Call up your best wing man and sarge on the best night of the year to sarge. Wedding receptions aren’t even as good as V-Day for this.

V-Day in the Matrix

Just in case you weren’t already convinced of the complete totality of media control that the Matrix has, let me offer yet one more Valentine’s Day example:

I was in a grocery store this weekend picking up something to grill and thought it would be a convenient time to pick up a Valentine’s Card for my wife since it’s coming this week. So I meander over to the greeting cards section to sift this years crop of mushy sentiment.  Much to my disgust the only cards available in the “For My Wife” section of the Valentines Cards (and I mean ONLY cards available) come in two types:

A.) The sentimental, “My life was nothing before you and would be nothing without you”, tripe that reduces a man to a simpering, codependent who owes his very existence to the woman who deigned to marry the poor soul.

B.)The “humorous” Valentine that is essentially the greeting card equivalent of Everybody Loves Raymond or Family Guy. These are basically intended to beg for a wife’s forgiveness for all of his uniquely male faults and foibles, that only she can solve by virtue of her infallible feminine wiles. Judging from the ‘humorous’ intent of these cards, no man is capable of feeding himself much less ask for direction or leave a toilet seat down, but on “her special day” this card is meant to prompt an appologetic laugh.

Needless to say I’ll be making my own card this year, but for fuck’s sake, how can we ever get a break from this shit when we’re ankle-bitten at every opportunity? You simply cannot buy a card that doesn’t force a man to be self-depricating.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Is your friend ratholing some cash for the solo future? Does he keep an overnight bag packed? Has he talked with a man-friendly divorce attorney?

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“Does he keep an overnight bag packed?”

And has he arranged some place to take it? I spent a few days living in a FIAT Spyder, in a blizzard, and it wasn’t fun. I learned from that and the next time I was nearly, almost ready for it when it came.

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” Heheh, we all know what’s going on here…..” And she agrees. ” “Lack of contempt, admiration and respect among both, freedom for you, love for her.” She actually said verbatim: “Honey I have a question, well…let’s call this a shit test.” We laughed so hard at that. Sex is white hot, daily. Weekends often twice daily. Risky stuff with kids nearby. Cad son stumbled into a room while it was getting raunchy, chair back to the door…he knew the score and scrammed. Hah! She has questions, and fears missing out on life, living, wondering aloud all this. It’s all… Read more »

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“Is your friend ratholing some cash for the solo future? Does he keep an overnight bag packed? Has he talked with a man-friendly divorce attorney?”

“And has he arranged some place to take it?”

No. He’s oblivious that it over but the paperwork. I’ve told him such.. he won’t accept it. It couldn’t happen to him, all he needs to do is work harder, cower more, supplicate in just the right way.

Latest: 2 carat canary yellow, cushion cut.

Oh man…perhaps I need to step up my sly project here.

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“Latest: 2 carat canary yellow, cushion cut.”

He’s toast.

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“Latest: 2 carat canary yellow, cushion cut.

I had to look that up. I didn’t know yellow diamonds existed.

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History of the diamond engagement ring:

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Oldest 16 Class President, Dudley Do-right, he’s read them, has done tons of personal work, embarrassing flamed outs and now is in a “Me first!, People stink!” mode. Good on him. I’ve been waiting for this. Hasn’t hit the convincing, angry “Fuck it!” milestone yet. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever seen him angry. Huh. Younger 14, but he’s a turd and does only what he needs to avoid trouble, shams work like Beetle Bailey, and girls flock to him, finds them all a bore. Says he’s read the first few chapters, of TRM book one, but I doubt… Read more »

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“I didn’t know yellow diamonds existed.”

Sure. And the Hope Diamond is blue. There is also red, green, brown . . . depending on what chemicals were the adulterating factor during formation.

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And has he arranged some place to take it? I spent a few days living in a FIAT Spyder, in a blizzard, and it wasn’t fun. I learned from that and the next time I was nearly, almost ready for it when it came.

A mobile command center? With a bed, kitchen, and bath?

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No bath. I had secured my safe house, but hadn’t quite gotten it ready for occupancy when she sniffed the wind, figured out what that smell meant, and told me I would have to leave in advance of my leaving.

It made for some awkward days and legal reverberations down the road, but at least I didn’t end up living in a two seat rag top.

‘Cause the Miata was in her name anyway.

I miss the car.

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Should’ve done the down dog (yoga position) shower.

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“I number closed a girl on the train last week with him in tow.” I’ve been doing PUA with my oldest for months. As I can talk easy enough, get selfies with young things, with him there. I like to chat up anybody, so why not the hottie? He wants it so bad and PUA really messed with him, the techniques/lines were sound, but he stalls searching for comfortable authenticity, add lack of worldly experience, ability to bullshit convincingly (lie), about what he prefers to think about when alone. His sperg is slaking slowly. That’s tough work; thus I’m his… Read more »

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This is why France and Italy have bidets.

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Bidet to you as well.

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“Should’ve done the down dog (yoga position) shower.” I did have running water and have lived where there wasn’t any. I can cope. That wasn’t the issue against immediate occupancy. And in retrospect I should have left immediately, it was at least as good as a tarp down by the river (and I’ve known guys who had to resort to that for one reason or another). I learn, but sometimes I’m a little too slow about it. I wasn’t fully engaged with “You’ve got 60 seconds before the Cossacks arrive. Three . . . Two . . . One .… Read more »

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a tarp down by the river…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhgfjrKi0o

Nothing personal. It’s funny ‘cuz it’s true.

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@ kfg Would you leave all else being equal now, would you tell her to go? Emotions run high. My frame was so weak early on in this all, I stayed but it was under her frame. That sucked in retrospect…how embarrassing (insert head shake). Only when she left did I feel a seismic shift, a little frame, relief. Do you think you could stay at home, hold frame, and kick her out? Is it a social convention that men must permanently leave, and we accept it, thus reinforcing it? Or is the benefit to leaving more than immediate pressure… Read more »

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EhIntellect On the way home from work today (on the radio) Dr. Laura took a call from a mom that wanted validation for being right to be pissed about the dad/her husband of a high school girl who pushed his daughter to take an AP class. Now that the daughter is stressed and freaking out about because she can’t get an A in at this point, the mom is in a tizzy. Dr. Laura told her to STFU. It’s a dad’s job to push the children outwards towards their edge of achievement. It is up to the mother to comfort… Read more »

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Dutch Proverb:

From the father comes honour, the mother comfort.

She’s streaming Laura over the computer during the day.

Mrs. ordered a Sue Venker book today, too. She’s excited…

I let her be, she comes to me.

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“Mrs. ordered a Sue Venker book today, too. She’s excited…”

What about the Laura Doyle books that come highly recommended by BluePillProfessor?

First Kill all the Marriage Counselors or The Surrendered Wife. Or Dr. Laura’s The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.

I haven’t read these or vetted them, but they perhaps do a service that is to have the wife come to the understanding on her own without being instructed on proper wifely behavior.

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SJF, I tend to agree with your comment above, “I haven’t read these or vetted them, but they perhaps do a service that is to have the wife come to the understanding on her own without being instructed on proper wifely behavior.” Specifically, I have covertly supported her spouse focused friends and unsupported her “go girl” friends while leaving it to her to come to the right conclusions. This has moved us closer and she feels good about our relationship vs. others who she used to envy. @Eh I agree that he (the Dr. you mention) is toast, and soon.… Read more »

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@Eh Intellect: Well, you’ve got me thinking hard about how to answer those questions. I’ve said before that the one thing I’m not is average, and we did not lead anything like an average life. That said the FI/MI remains constant. I did not kick her out when I could have and knew I should have. Responsibility, yada yada yada. At the point I left, I had let myself be in a position where there was no question who had to leave. That’s why I was preparing a safe house. On the plus side I didn’t lose any real property… Read more »

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@ palmisailor Haha love it that you number closed in front of your 14 year old son. My son is 14 too but he lives in Italy with my ex so I only get to see him 4/5 times a year, I also asked myself when to introduce him to TRM, I asked Rollo his opinion and his reply was 15-16 years old so I will go with that. Instead summer we were in a bar on lake Garda at night ( he looks 18, he’s nearly 6ft and shout 80kg well built) but he was just drinking cola. I… Read more »

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“Is it a social convention that men must permanently leave, and we accept it, thus reinforcing it?”

Oh, yeah, this.

It is The Model that wealth and real property, virtually all of it, shall be transferred to women. It is not just convention, it is an aggressive ideology.

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“Would be interested in knowing what other posters think about pulling with kids in tow?”

Raise your kids to be adults, not big children. Answer their questions when they ask, but their questions should arise from observation. Show them how to behave. That’s how they learn.

That said, yeah, be sensitive to where they are. Push their boundaries, but don’t break them. Progressive overload.

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“That said, yeah, be sensitive to where they are. Push their boundaries, but don’t break them. Progressive overload. Nassim Taleb’s Antifragile: Wind extinguishes a candle and energizes fire. Likewise with randomness, uncertainty, chaos: you want to use them, not hide from them. You want to be the fire and wish for the wind. This summarizes this author’s nonmeek attitude to randomness and uncertainty. We just don’t want to just survive uncertainty, to just about make it. We want to survive uncertainty and, in addition—like a certain class of aggressive Roman Stoics— have the last word. The mission is how to… Read more »

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“You can blow out a candle, but you can’t blow out a fire.
Once the flames begin to catch, the wind just lifts it higher.”

– Peter Gabriel

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Mrs. ordered a Sue Venker book today, too. She’s excited…

Ugh. Well, could be worse…

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red rain is coming down red rain red rain is pouring down pouring down all over me red rain- putting the pressure on much harder now to return again and again just let the red rain splash you let the rain fall on your skin I come to you defences down with the trust of a child red rain is coming down red rain red rain is pouring down pouring down all over me and I can’t watch any more no more denial Peter Gabriel: “Red Rain’ was written after a dream I’d had about the sea being parted by… Read more »

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Took no time at all to refresh my memory of Venker, an “ally” or “friend” of men, yeah right. Suzanne Venker – willing to let some men have some say sometimes, and she is clearly making such a huge concession in the process. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/suzanne-venker-on-what-men-are-good-for/ I work outside the home. My husband does his thing. No one would consider me a docile or obedient housewife… I am married to a guy who works so that I can have a cushy writing life. That is the beauty of marriage. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/suzanne-venker-on-womens-rights-mens-responsibilities-and-why-she-divorced-her-first-husband/ Venker: The mailed fist of the FI with a pink glove and… Read more »

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“She replies by wanting to talk more about me raping her as a sexual fantasy. Without a safe word, cuz I convinced her that’s more fun, lol.” aren’t you that fucking guy who gave me shit about being abusive? and wanting my wife to leave me or something? now you want to play rape time too, huh? guess what happens when she likes that? go a little farther maybe? stay on that path for two decades and guess where you’ll end up? the shit you do will have other clueless guys calling you an abusive psycho. but you’ll know better.… Read more »

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Anonymous Reader I wouldn’t sweat it about Venker. It is axiomatic and always will be that the sisterhood members will always be out for their own and for the sisterhood’s sexual strategy. So I wouldn’t bother parsing or dissecting their words or distrust their intent. As far as I’m concerned, Venker is in early proto-types of thought. Her terms and her presentation are not very polished. She is trying to wake up other women to how she has fucked up by being a non-submissive female in her own life. I would even be wary of Laura Doyle’s books. As a… Read more »

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The body
http://wp.me/p10w4n-4EX

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I substituted a bottle of wine for flowers and found this card:

Why
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love?
-Jack Kerouac-

On the blank inside I wrote, “With me.”

I think that Git Er Done for another year.

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@SJF The Surrendered Wife I bought this book a couple of weeks ago. I think it’s a good read. It’s a more formal version of women are from venus men are from mars which I had read years ago and had thought to be quite accurate. Funny, I let my copy of The Surrendered Wife on a book shelf with the hopes of having my current gf find it. Was interested in starting that discussion or at least seeing her reaction. instead she found my Mystery Method and she took it home to read. It’s so funny how her solopism… Read more »

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@Fleezer – Lol, there is a little thing called “consent” involved with me. Please don’t try to use me to justify your actual abuse.

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The perfect topic for “V” Day… http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/my-day-at-the-designer-vagina-showcase/ The perfect vagina is pink, plump and hairless. There is nothing major about its labia majora, curled primly to frame the entrance of the vagina and a clitoris with a hood so dainty that it might even be called cute. Projected on a screen in front of us in a slick, dark boardroom in Midtown Manhattan, the perfect vagina in the photograph is surrounded by the trademark sky blue of a surgical gown, a slash of orangey disinfectant Betadine on one splayed thigh. That’s because the perfect vagina was created on an operating… Read more »

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Explains the contemptuous tone when describing the women in the article.

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Is there Male Hypergamy, AMALT: Wanting to maximize erotic experience with HBs when age 16 to late 20s, then lock down a Quality Woman for LTR/Marriage for having and raising kids? So FI is AF/BB. MI is HB/QW. Seems to me there is some symmetry M/F. Then, in LTR, when kids are raised, guys need to decide whether continue to be with and RP-train QW, or go back to HB focus. Does partner still have some HB qualities and interest. And women need to decide according to their priorities: is she getting enough AF/BB from her partner, or does she… Read more »

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“Marco”
Is there Male Hypergamy, AMALT: Wanting to maximize erotic experience with HBs when age 16 to late 20s, then lock down a Quality Woman for LTR/Marriage for having and raising kids?

LOL, try again, dearie.

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“Seems to me there is some symmetry M/F.

Someone hasn’t been paying attention in class.

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I’ve had a distance plate that is from my hometown. Was supposed to go visit this weekend, but her dad had a stroke earlier this week and they didn’t find him till yesterday morning. Needless to say, she’s in my house as we speak. Previous to swallowing the RP, her slopistic nature would have been explained away as “well, she’s upset!”. Now….I see it on full display. It’s laid bare. I was taking care of something for her on the phone, and she got a call from a random relative. She actually gave me the “shush” so she could take… Read more »

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“How many times do you get to sleep with your first oneitis?”

30 plus years later: zero. You are sleeping with a vision in your head and the undead in your bed.

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There is a word for that vision in your head: Glamour.

It is a weapon the sidhe and vampires. Enchanting, isn’t it?

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Naw! It was great! Only because I took her off my pedestal a looooong time ago. This is strictly nostalgia strange.

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I’d bore you how I hooked up with her, but trust me – the first time I fucked her was because I’ve never had casual sex before and I knew I didn’t care and wasn’t interested in anything more.

Was still BF as F. I kinda led her along because my frame was all jacked up, but somehow I knew that it was the right thing to do at the time.

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You guys are a bit snarky with Marko, which may be what he needs, but we could be more direct. @Marko 1. Men are fundamentally different: a. We have seed turnover time of 2-12 hours on a perpetual, ongoing basis and thus each of us could impregnate thousands of women, leading to thousands of babies whereas women have one egg per month and can have at most 1 baby per year for 20 years as a 2 sigma result maximum. 2. Men are fundamentally the creators of things and women the supporters. This takes a while to understand in our… Read more »

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@Marko, Something important that I left out. At a limbic (hard-wired) level, when you can produce at most 25 babies in your lifetime (not to mention the massive investment physically of carrying it for 9 months) you will care for each a lot more than if you can spread your seed to make 5,000 babies with a few minutes-hours effort to create each. Of course, we are rational and can care for a handful of children we choose to with more investment, but that would be one of “your ends” mentioned above, and she is around to help you serve… Read more »

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“You guys are a bit snarky with Marko . . .”

They have history with him.

” . . .we could be more direct.”

See above.

“get sex with hot babe(s) whenever you want and keep the ones around you as long as they please you . . .”

The word for that is “promiscuity.”

Women fuck up (you can say that again), men fuck around.

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Agreed. Valentine’s Day has become the perfect setting for a real live situation comedy dialogue with your girl. No laugh tracks, but still a golden opportunity. I worked all V-Day. Hard. It was an ordinary, loaded up with work, Tuesday. I have full-stopped all V-Day try-hard bullshit (flowers, perfume, lingerie, dinner, etc.). This happened after I finally woke up to how expensive, time consuming, expected, unappreciated and unreciprocated that it all was. Besides 90% of it is simply girls bragging to each other with one-up-womanship. “What did your guy get?..Well,my guy got me….” Horrible. More men need to ask the… Read more »

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We were headed out the door, four hours late. For an appointment she wanted. I literally had my keys in my hand.

She attacked me. The more I ignore her the more she won’t leave me alone.

I’m so breaking up with her as soon as she moves back here.

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She must sense she’s losing me.

The sex is way better than it has been for the last couple of months.

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@Rollo, my field report just got eaten. Can you check on that?

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@ Marko – “Then, in LTR, when kids are raised,” uh – ‘LTR, when the kids are raised’? When the kids are raised indicates at least 18+ years… multiply that by the number of kids are you are looking at about 25+ years. That’s more than a LTR ‘Marko’. That’s sacrifice, honor and commitment… Omitting the idea that raising kids is a lifelong commitment, a woman doesn’t care about raising her kids with any particular man… any old beta bux will do, for a while. Most women’s commitment only lasts until a better man comes along. Or until she gets… Read more »

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“You guys are a bit snarky with Marko . . .”

They have history with him.

We already explained that we can explain it to him, but we can’t understand it for him.

And the snark comes because of his insistence on egalitarian equalism, which is inherently non-red pill and sometimes can lead to system failure.

I don’t see it as being critical in a rude or sarcastic way to him per se, more as playing to the other commenters that “just get that” part of of the criticism of EE (egalitarian equalism).

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@ newlyaloof

me too

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“What about the Laura Doyle books that come highly recommended by BluePillProfessor?” Thx. AR You’ve been much help. It doesn’t matter what she reads, really. She’s struggling to grasp that we are on different trajectories, the equalism is melting with her old self. She’s much more emotionally labile, happy, weepy, sexual and calm too. I tell her to just be her, naturally feminine, I got this. She tested me yesterday with a lazing eye stare (she’s on to me) and “I don’t believe you’re being honest.” Me: “What!? This guy!?” (me pointing at my face) and pour more Jack Daniels… Read more »

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“She tested me yesterday with a lazing eye stare (she’s on to me)..”

That has become my favorite shit test. Staring back at her with the “married secret society” stare is my favorite response to it. I usually do it without a smirk, as if I mean it and she then breaks her train of thought. And stops testing.

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“Hymenoplasty is a simple procedure that will repair a torn hymen and pull together the tissue so it is once again covered by the vagina. In some cultures, a torn hymen can affect her marriage prospects, reputation and life.”

Read something similar in the novel Aztec.
(and the miniseries Marco Polo…probably Shogun too)
What’s old is new.

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@SJF It’s egalitarian complementarianism — not equalism. Big difference. Did I state it unclearly, or did you misread? Either way, this is the clarification. @SJF Actually I’ve been paying very close attention in class, and have some good questions for the teacher. That’s paying better attention than just repeating back to the teacher what the teacher says. To engage the teacher and class with thoughtful — rational !! — questions is to show the greatest respect. @ All : Further clarification: I’m two steps further along in the life cycle than most of you: I’ve done empty nest, I’ve done… Read more »

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“Is there Male Hypergamy”

No.

“AMALT”

Yes.

“Wanting to maximize erotic experience with HBs when age 16 to late 20s, then lock down a Quality Woman for LTR/Marriage for having and raising kids?”

No.

“So FI is AF/BB”

Yes.

” MI is HB/QW”

No.

“Seems to me there is some symmetry M/F.”

One’s got an inny, t’other’s got an outty. Neither one works for shit until you bring ’em together.

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A quality woman is a myth.

https://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/

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@Marko

Do you go out clubbing? Do you flirt with 20-somethings and look at their phones?

I’ve been married almost as long as you and you are peddling bullshit. If today were 1960, your stuff would work, but not any more.

I’ve done empty nest and after retirement as well.

Is there Male Hypergamy, AMALT: Wanting to maximize erotic experience with HBs when age 16 to late 20s, then lock down a Quality Woman for LTR/Marriage for having and raising kids?

Read Rollo’s “Myth of the Quality Woman”.

https://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/

In today’s world, the average 20-something has had 20+ partners.

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@Marko, for all your accomplishments and success you’ve had in life, why is it you appear to be rubbing most people wrong here? Why do you think your message is failing here? People can master subject matter but be shitty teachers of that subject matter. Your messaging is failing, but I suspect you think this is a problem with us? That’s called a buffer.

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@Marko I did qualify my snark as in I don’t mean it negatively. (I prefer to be on the same manosphere side of advocating for men’s agency.) Props to you on your resume. Honestly, your achievements are my goal over the next 20 years. I see egalitarianism and Complementarianism as antagonists. So does Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism I can’t subscribe to an AMALT paradigm. Cause I just don’t see it objectively in real life. To a certain extent all Blue Pill Men are alike. I haven’t actually witness any two Red Pill guys in alignment. I see no symmetry in AF/BB and… Read more »

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@ theasdgamer: “In today’s world, the average 20-something has had 20+ partners.” Logic fail. Who’s taking commitment/Marriage to “average”? Pedestalizing women will blind you and you won’t be able to vet well. Depedestalizing is absolutely necessary. But, there are Quality Women, even ones of marriagible age. I agree that the FI has messed up many (maybe most) younger ones. But there is a subset of QW looking for quality men. Don’t you know some QW, young and old, asd? All this doesn’t mean that a woman can’t turn on you, frivorce, etc. So, Caveat emptor. Be aware, protect yourself, have… Read more »

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“I’m married more than 40 years, healthy successful kids and grandkids. My wife and I get along well with all of them. We’ve had successful careers, multiple graduate degrees, finances in about top 1%, give generously to extended family and to many good causes. Active engaged retirement with many good friends.” There was a debate here ago and the conclusion was this: You can live a pre-feminism lifestyle in today’s western world, albeit only in vigilantly defended small tribes. My example is the home-schooling crowd my family runs with. They are traditional, women feminine, men masculine, not WK masculine tho,… Read more »

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GW, “Marco”, about that whole QW, the Quality Woman thang?
Rollo.About 4 years back.

https://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/

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@SJF:

AxALT is meaningless absent a definition of T. Or, to put it another way, the equation is true for the right value of T, ergo, if there is any value of T for which the equation is true, the equation is true.

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But there is a subset of QW looking for quality men.+ All this doesn’t mean that a woman can’t turn on you, frivorce, etc. They will hypergamy on you, if they think they really have better options.= invalid argument (non sequitur).

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A major issue of contention is whether Quality Women exist, young or old. They do. I know many. If we disagree on this key issue, then all kinds of further disagreements follow logically from this disagreement. We just see the world very differently, and pursue different paths of action as a result. It seems to me that SJF and Rollo report they are married to QWs. Maybe some of the other posters, too. Anyone want to claim their wife or LTR is a QW? If there are no QW, then there is no hope for a satisfying LTR or marriage.… Read more »

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Regarding the comment upthread concerning ” consent “. A man doesn’t need to get consent from a woman for sexual activity, unless one buys into all of the Yes means Yes propaganda, or a man is truly afraid that a bitch might try to have him arrested. But seeking consent is 100% beta/blue pillery. It’s a massive massive loss of frame. Also calling other men ” abusive ” sexually especially married dudez whose wives have no issue with their lifestyle smacks of white knighting and sjw’ing. Be clear readers, looking for permission from a woman particularly sexually iis a form… Read more »

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@Eh Intellect:

Although culture is at least in part an expression of the I’s, the I’s are independent of culture. They are a constant base level. ALL are like “That.”

“The west is one generation away from losing your ideations, beliefs, cultural capital.”

The generation is already extant.

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@Marko: “We just see the world very differently, and pursue different paths of action as a result.”

That would be why the metaphor exists.

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“If there are no QW, then there is no hope for a satisfying LTR or marriage.”

Women and RP men enter LTR’s and marriage under different objectives. RP men see women as…well…tools to actualize their vision.

BP men see marriage as a partnership, complementary, with aligning objectives. In this scenario he cedes frame and his agency to her sexual targets, which, again, are different than his.

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“which, again, are different than his.”

Correction “which then outstrip his.”

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“Marko”

Define your term “Quality Women”, take all the words you want.
Be sure to read Rollo’s essay on the topic first.
There might be a quiz.

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@SJF: “Egalitarianism, it’s just that there is just too small of a window for it to work as a praxeology in today’s society. (It got homo sapiens out of Africa . . .” What got homo sapiens out of Africa was tribal clanishness. Anthropologically speaking, egalitarian means the opposite of clanishness. Clan: Your social status is inherited from your family. Egalitarian: Your social status is earned from your individual qualities. Clan: “I am the King, because my father was the King.” Egalitarian: “I am the King, because I knocked the King’s head in.” Biologically, as the word is used in… Read more »

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“Define your term “Quality Women””

Didn’t we say that on the other side of the record?

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@ Marko ” High Quality ” woman will be a bit subjective and defined differently among different males. It depends mostly on how a man sees a woman/women, and what role they see women playing iin their lives, long term. Many men don’t really plan for the long game and get terribly tripped up by things like HB rating….lol. It takes years and a few trials by fire to truly discern if a woman is ” quality “. As far as men being hypergamous, no, there’s no such thing. Men have certain biological drives, but what is of key importance… Read more »

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“Hypergamy is not a bad and evil thing . . .”

And, contrariwise, egalitarianism is not a good thing.

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Suddenly I want a pepperoni pizza. Hold the anchovies.

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“with a rusty 1992 Honda accord with no hubcaps and bald tires”

Hey, hey!! That’s my work car! 260,000 miles.

Oy! I’m cheap…how embarrassing.

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“with a rusty 1992 Honda accord with no hubcaps and bald tires”

Hey, hey!! That’s my work car! 260,000 miles.

Good choice. You can leave it overnight in a hospital parking lot and know it will still be there, unless it gets towed. I knew a real deal millionaire some years ago who drove a beater like that because it blended in with everyone else’s car around some of his industrial zone real estate. He liked to blend in rather than stand out for reasons.

But you don’t make Mrs. Eh drive it, now do you?

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The point is that “Quality Woman” is a construct (an idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically one considered to be subjective and not based on empirical evidence). I do agree that there are quality women in certain objective and empirical terms. The problem is that when it it referred to as a construct, the terms are too fluid, and social and interpersonal interactions are too fluid. As in: not able to be nailed down. Women can not be labeled as such prior to or in then initial stages of a relationship. (Vetting is a goal directed process. It… Read more »

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Now he is talking about symmetry? Symmetry in a QW is 36-24-36…

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“But you don’t make Mrs. Eh drive it, now do you?”

She takes it for gardening…but yeah…you got me. Fuck!

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something was broke but I got it fixed
I don’t know if I should tell you this
but I was gettin’ bored and I got my kicks
like 36-24-36
somethings special ’bout her personality
somethings special ’bout her physiology
36-24-36
I want lots of pretty chicks
36-24-36
I want lots of pretty chicks
36-24-36
I want lots of pretty chicks
36-24-36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8bFT4HsLfE

Better song but worse video…

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Damn Blaximus, I should take less time composing my thoughts. There you go again saying something in your first two paragraphs that I didn’t read before I composed mine.

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I’d assume most would consider Dr. Jennifer Ashton a QW, the whole package. Her FB post: Our hearts r broken that the father of my teenage children took his own life yesterday. As an MD he helped so many and we will remember his warmth generosity and kindness. We know that many families struggle everyday with depression while others like us don’t have any warning. We hope by sharing some of Rob’s story it will save others the heartache we feel. You are never alone Pls get help. May he Rest In Peace “hearts r broken?” “Pls get help” She… Read more »

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“She moved on years ago…”

Last time I checked they didn’t lecture about Hypergamy in medical school.

And her husband certainly couldn’t nail down her fluidity.

Another casualty of Blue Pill. That sucks.

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“Resa Woodward, 38, taught sixth-grade science at an all-girls STEAM (!) academy at Balch Springs Middle School before she was removed from the classroom in November. She was fired after her past in adult films was exposed on social media.”

“Woodward said a controlling and manipulative man forced her into “sex slavery,” according to her appeal letter”

“… she noted that she earned the highest rating of “exemplary” last school year in DISD’s distinguished teacher program and was a nominee for district teacher of the year.”

She’s an “exemplary” QW.

She can teach my kids anytime!

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2017/02/15/exemplary-dallas-isd-teacher-fired-past-porn-pleads-state-please-tell-end

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EH Covered this over at the Chateau … https://www.instagram.com/p/BPqxyurh5h4 Here is her post – having her #newbeginnings party right after the divorce was final. Her now ex, now deceased husband had moved to a house across the street, presumably to be close to the kids… Jumping off the GW bridge on your way to work on a frozen morning… that is some ballz… Too bad he didn’t come round to the RP. A fit, 52YO Head Surgeon in NYC… In 6 months she would be jumping off that bridge watching all the girls half her age Ubering off in the… Read more »

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BO3Luo2h5Wv

Obligatory butt shot, 3 weeks before the divorce was final…

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNAZgXoBL1l

And some chum in the water for the beta orbiters… 9 weeks before divorce final…

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