The Power of Emotion

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Science fiction has always sought to portray human emotion as a weakness to be overcome.
Some have gone further to express the notion of our physical being as a limiting factor. This is notably seen in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I’m aware this is fiction, but I just want to reinforce the point from my earlier post that we don’t have to be held to eternal hostage by nature. We can strive to be better.
A quote from Terminator 2, sums it up admirably.

T-800 to John Connor: “I now know why you cry. But it is something, I can never do.”

While emotions are a part of our experience as human beings, Red Pill aware men need to understand the functionality of emotional responses. Rationality is, of course, the charter of this blog and my books, and while I make my best efforts to approach each aspect of what I write from as objective an origin as I’m able to, I also understand that there are limitations to remaining completely objective. I’m human like anyone else reading this (chatbots excepted) and I’ve always been fully aware that my emotional state, my own ego-investments and biases, as well as the observer effect are all something I need to make a conscious effort to account for while I’m writing about a new idea or observation I’m connecting dots with.

In a few prior posts I’ve made an effort to account for a balance between rationality and emotionalism. I say “emotionalism” because I think there needs to be a separation between the physical experience of emotion and the significance our fem-centric social order would have us place on those experiences. There is a difference between emotional response (evolved stimulus-response adaptations) and the ideologies that elevate human emotion to a metaphysical state (emotionalism).

Seeking, rage, fear, lust, care, panic and play are what are commonly recognized as primal emotions. I didn’t make this list up myself, these are just the most base-level imperatives from which more complex experiences of emotion are distilled. All of these root-level emotional experiences have been studied extensively and can be stimulated chemically and neurologically today. An easy example of this biological connection to emotional experience can be triggered and observed in the ‘roid rages’ experienced by the users of anabolic steroids.

Have you ever been “Hangry“? The feeling of anger / aggressiveness due to being overly hungry is an evolutionary survival adaptation. You’re far more motivated to kill and eat something if the feeling of hunger, prompted by its chemical triggers, also stimulates feelings of aggression. In today’s era that aggression may be inconvenient or anti-social, but our hunter-gatherer ancestors found it both acceptable and useful.

There are dozens of other examples I can give for the connection between our environmental, physical and chemical conditions and our emotional state. Similarly, there are chemical (dopamine) and behavioral prompts we associate with a particular emotional state. I don’t imagine this is anything revelatory to most Red Pill aware readers, but reviewing the objective aspects of emotion is necessary in order to separate it from the social influence of emotionalism.

Testosterone is well known to stimulate feelings of aggression and sexual arousal, but did you know that the chemical make up of testosterone is actually an inhibitor of the chemicals that prompt sadness and crying? When considered in this respect and the fact that human males produce 12 to 17 times the amount of testosterone females do, is it any coincidence that men may feel less compulsion to cry over things? Yet, men are shamed for “holding back” tears. This is an example of the connection between our physical experience of emotions and the importance to which our social order places on (primarily female) emotionalism. There are a lot of complexities that make up our emotional state and the more we study the influences of our own biologies the better we can make a connection between the evolved, survival-beneficial, effect these emotions elicit in us.

The nuts and bolts science of emotions demystifies the more magical, romanticized association we like to apply to them. And at the risk of prompting any kind of nihilism, it’s important that we consider our emotional state in terms of the concrete physical stimulus that’s provoking our emotional states. It’s easy to get into the science of emotions when we’re trying to solve a problem like clinical depression and the feelings and potential behaviors it evokes, but it’s much harder to look at upsetting an elated feeling of happiness. If it ain’t broke there’s no reason to think about fixing it.

But what sets us off about really coming to terms with the science of emotion is it tends to kill our gods. Up until advent of our understanding the cause and effect influences of emotion we’ve applied a lot of metaphysical importance to our emotions. Historically, our emotions have inspired us to create some of the greatest cultural and artistic masterpieces, and they’ve urged us to some pretty ugly atrocities too. Even today, western cultures raise emotion to a mythical grandeur. We romanticize and apply great significance to how we feel. We prioritize expressing emotions to being some enlightened state and the repression or control of them as some kind of horrible evil or some form of retardation.

Emotionalism

The Washington Post (I know, I know,…) recently published the findings of a study outlining how “sexist” men have psychological problems:

Researchers then identified 11 norms considered to be “traditionally masculine” — desire to win, need for emotional control, risk-taking, violence, dominance, sexual promiscuity or playboy behavior, self-reliance, primacy of work, power over women, disdain for homosexuality and pursuit of status — and looked to see whether they were associated with particular mental health outcomes.

In general, the men who stuck more strongly to these norms were more likely to experience problems such as depression, stress, body image issues, substance abuse and negative social functioning. They were also less likely to turn to counseling to help deal with those problems. The effect was particularly strong for men who emphasized playboy behavior, power over women and self-reliance.

As you might expect, what’s defined as “toxic” masculinity today is decided by people invested in a mindset that confirms the Feminine Imperative. This article follows along with what will likely be the Trump-era narrative for masculinity – anything remotely considered “traditionally” masculine will be conflated with a psychological disorder. The cure to which is, of course, ego-investing men in feminine-primary mental states; effectively feminizing men.

If we look at the norms identified by this study we are expected to nod in agreement about the negative, potentially damaging, connotations these traditionally masculine aspects imply. But they are only negative because the objective environment we are supposed to interpret them from is one of feminine primacy. Anything that can be considered an impediment to female societal control, any aspect of men’s intrinsic natures that lessens the same potentials of women is considered “toxic”.

Desire to win, need for emotional control, risk-taking, violence, dominance, sexual promiscuity or playboy behavior, self-reliance, primacy of work, power over women, disdain for homosexuality and pursuit of status – by orders of degree these are the foundational aspects of masculinity that’s been responsible for the advancement of humanity for millennia now. I’m not entirely sure what ‘playboy lifestyle’ entails, but consider the problems these aspects of male nature evolved to solve for men. Each one of these characteristics has a functional prompt; they didn’t evolve in a vacuum. These parts of masculinity were and are functional benefits to men. Only in a society that defines supremacism of women and the primacy of female-correctness do these aspects become negative.

I doubt it will come as any surprise to the Red Pill aware that all of these traits used to have a higher social value in virtually all social orders prior to our present one. It’s not enough to make female social interaction the preeminent one, masculinity and its conventional aspects must be pathologized. They must become a sickness if gynocentrism is to sustain itself.

I’m exploring this here because the female way of socialization is founded upon emotionalism. I think it’s important for Red Pill men to understand that the defining of what particular emotional states are acceptable is intimately linked to what those states mean to the Feminine Imperative. In the past 60 years western(ized) culture has become one in which the feminine defines the predominant cultural narrative with regard to intersexual communication, correctness and the psychological values we are meant to infer from it. This discourse is one that is primarily informed by women’s high priority on an investment in emotionalism.

In past essays I’ve outlined how men and women’s brains are neurologically wired for different, yet complementary functions. Women experience negative emotions differently from men. The male brain evolved to seek out sex before food. And while our feminine-centric social order insists that, in the name of equalism, boys should be forced to learn in the same modality as that of girls, the science shows that boys brains are rudimentarily wired to learn differently.

“Greater emotional reactivity in women may explain many things, such as their being twice as likely to suffer from depression and anxiety disorders compared to men,” Mendrek added, who is also an associate professor at the University of Montreal’s Department of Psychiatry.

Yet for all of these very evident physical differences in men and women’s experience of emotion, it is women’s experience, and a feminine priority for the ‘correctness’ of that experience we apply to men. I would suggest that much of this is primarily due to women’s innate solipsism, but we’ve normalized women’s experience of emotion as the common and correct one in terms of intersexual communication and social dynamics.

Emotionalism and the applying of metaphysical meaning to the feminine-correct experience of them has pervaded our social consciousness since the time of the sexual revolution. This elevated importance of emotion has been a part of popular culture for millennia of course, but until the rise of a socially mandated importance of female Hypergamy we haven’t had female emotionalism direct the course of society as it has for over sixty years now.

As such, we see that men “getting in touch with their feminine sides” is really a concerted effort to repress their natural experience of emotion as a male, and to attempt to force their own emotional states into ones females can identify with. As I mentioned above, there are literally biological limitations for a man to experience emotion as a woman as well as his impulse to want to prioritize those feelings as women do. The presumption is that a man is emotionally stunted if he feel that repressing his emotions is what he ought to do. “Boys don’t cry” is a sickness when it is women’s experience and importance of emotionalism that drives our social discourse.

Women bemoan men’s stereotypical lack of “emotional availability”, and we put a religious importance upon our capacity to express our emotions in some way, but all of this is constrained to the box that is women’s correct experience and importance of emotion. This is not what men’s brains are naturally wired for, and in a Red Pill context this is not what women’s hindbrains want from men.

It’s important for Red Pill men to understand that our feminine-primary social order is founded up the importance women place on the God of emotion. Part of your Blue Pill conditioning was to convince you, as a young boy, that the way women emote and the importance they put on emotion is what you needed to accept as the healthy, normal way of experiencing and expressing it. The truth is you are not wired to experience emotion as a woman will. That isn’t to suggest you deny or repress your feelings, but to understand that you shouldn’t feel bad for not feeling as a woman feels. This kind of goes back to the point I was making in Empathy; while it may be possible for a woman to sympathize with your feelings, she will never be able to empathize with them as a man would experience it.

Furthermore, it should be part of men’s unplugging to come to terms with the metaphysical importance women place on (largely their own) emotional states. They remove the functional aspect of emotion and elevate it to something only women have a unique sensitivity to understand. Separating yourself from this self-induced, self-applied belief in emotion can be a very powerful tool for a Red Pill man in his dealing with women – and not just the ones he’s intimately involved with. Separating your ego from the religion of emotion and coming to terms with the science of emotion is a very difficult step for Blue Pill invested men to make. As I said, it’s like killing your gods, but it’s also killing the notion of the emotionalism you think you need to identify with in order to connect with a woman.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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so apparently I am like really good at lying and created this elaborate story that is complicated as fuck and everyone believes me and is funny as fuck lol.

i need to move to a better city stat

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Emotions need to be put in the same category as addictive and habit-forming drugs and men need to make sure that they don’t allow themselves to become addicted to emotional states.

Yes. Someone with better knowledge of the Stoics can add on with quotes going back to Rome, ancient Greece, ancient China.

Although this would cut into the ticket sales of every major sporting contest, just for a start.

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Emotion department: Every woman I’ve known hated, feared, loathed mice. Not a full world-wide cross section of the human race, but every one I’ve known. Regardless of age, on a couple of continents. Earlier this year I was talking with a young-30’s woman in a medical field. She’d done human dissections in school. So not squeamish, but mice? She wrinkled up her nose in the “disgust – something stinks” expression, said something about how disgusting they are – “the tails! Uh! Eh! Oh! I can’t stand to even see…” and then pretty much left the room. I can tell a… Read more »

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I find Whedon boring. I’ll give Firefly this, I was actually able to sit through a couple of episodes. Never could make it through a single Buffy, even though I made deliberate effort to do so. I’d turn it on, then a couple hours later, in the middle of doing something, I’d find myself thinking, “Oh. Wait. Wasn’t I watching something?” Got into a nerd fight once when I commented that not only did Firefly bore me, but I’d already seen it, back when it was called the Dollars Trilogy. Then I saw the movie, Serenity, and enjoyed it quite… Read more »

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AR kfg hank holiday
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7onFrBK_hKE
Nuff said

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Y’all chopping it up in the comments. Makes for interesting reading. @ Joe K. To paraphrase Rollo, women aren’t capable of loving a man the way that he wants to be loved, or thinks that he should be loved. But women do indeed love, they just happen to love like girls/women. There’s nothing inherently odd, strange or wrong about this. Let me ask you, exactly how do you think women should love men? Is it some form of unconditional love? Remember, there are always exceptions to every single rule, or we’d have no need for ” rules “, but women… Read more »

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You showing me the forest, fuck that’s just a giggle. You don’t even understand the import of my POV and concerns. But to make it clear for you, here goes. WASP culture gave rise to the modern world. Our entire way of life is predicated on certain cultural and biological assumptions encapsulated in part by the Puritan ethic and the Protestant ethic that followed. Catholics essentially moderated and mainstreamed, becoming much more like Protestants. Jews act like Protestants in the U.S. – do you know Ralph Lauren’s real name? Jon Stewart? This self-reliant, modest, industrious ideal became the center of… Read more »

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Man, how ever did I miss that movie in theaters? I see it’s on DVD…

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Scriblerg You showing me the forest, fuck that’s just a giggle. You don’t even understand the import of my POV and concerns. Ok. So still unable to learn anything from anyone else? Sperg on, dude. The classical liberal values embodied in this culture, that gave rise to the U.S. are amazing and worth propagating. Yeah. So? When western European whites die out, it’s all over for classical liberalism and real liberty. Could be. So? Seems we are less than 250 years away from being a tiny minority. Maybe. Predictions are difficult, especially about the future. So? Does that not bother… Read more »

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Hey Blaximus. Good reply to Joe K. the nihilist. “It’s not them, it’s you.” And thanks, I was about to write a half page of rebuttal (and quote four chapters of Deida) to his nihilist rants which were grating on my sensibilities like fingernails on a chalkboard. I totally agree. The Red Pill at least in the form that is on The Rational Male is about self-improvement, (If Needed, mind you Joe, or even resting on self improved laurels). And that is a big point of contention, although veiled, in the PUA mindsets of the process of PUA is uber… Read more »

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@ SJF Thing is, I’ve run across quite a few guys that think and believe as Joe K does. To my mind, Joe’s sentiments only serve to accentuate the need for men to have a greater RP understanding. They can still choose to go another route, but at least don’t go under what I consider to be false pretenses. Women are not the enemy. ” Knowing who you are and how you fit in the process is a big part of red pill.” Precisely. Sometimes one must look into the nearest mirror consistently. It ain’t fun, but it will pay… Read more »

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Upstate New York student gets people all emotional when he tries to enter Trump Tower with his usual backpack and usual contents. I don’t understand the switchblade, they break too easily. http://nypost.com/2016/12/13/student-arrested-after-bringing-weapons-into-trump-tower/ When agents checked his bag, they found out he was telling the truth, uncovering a large hunting knife in the pouch, an M100 firecracker, handcuffs, a switchblade, a flashlight, an 8-foot-long black rope and a garrote, sources said. It wasn’t clear what the garrote, a weapon used to strangle a person, was made of. Wang — who told cops he is a Trump supporter — said he “always”… Read more »

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Blaximus Thing is, I’ve run across quite a few guys that think and believe as Joe K does. Yeah, me too. Me too! It’s one of the stages in unplugging. Time was one or two men would show up at Spearhead in that stage from time to time. Now probably there’s a whole lot more across the web every week. The good news is more men are unplugging, the bad news is there will be a perpetual wave of men in the Anger phase spilling across the web for a long time to come, the better news is there’s more… Read more »

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@SJF @Blaximus @Anonymous Reader (from prior thread RE: ‘Ride or Die Woman’) I hear you, and I understand your investment in eschewing nihilism. This is not a criticism of your prescriptive thoughts regarding self-improvement, which sound quite good – but it is a criticism of the validity of…your criticism of nihilism, essentially. Postmodernism has shone a blazing light on the shit Nietzsche was talking about 150 years ago. He welcomed the challenge of seeing what the world would look like stripped of its essential cultural foundations. Well, now we see what it looks like when those foundations have been stripped… Read more »

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Oh – and one more thing I forgot to include: @Blaximus – you say “They’re just girls”. You liken women to having all the power of puppies and kittens. They are ‘the weaker sex’ and they’re just playing ‘chick games’. @Rollo – you wrote ‘What’s Your Problem’. You’ve written volumes on the severe dangers of being involved with women in the modern era. You take women’s “games” seriously. There is a disconnect here. Also, @Blax – if you don’t believe women can actually love, it takes a hell of a lot of the satisfaction of attracting and bedding them out… Read more »

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The most recent dust-up was over The Red Pill being mis-understood. Which was also nails on chalk board. Guys would do themselves a favor by actually reading Rollo and understanding how they have failed themselves, which would then lead them to understand how they failed in a relationship if they are as angry and have lack of getting to the end of the Five Stages of Unplugging. Look the Five Stages of Unplugging are a descriptive thing. They fail the guys that need a road map. The five stages weren’t actually designed as a praxeology, they were described by Kubler… Read more »

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“I don’t understand the switchblade, they break too easily.” I happen to be knife shopping in the other windows right now. My intent was to order a few extra Victorinox Pocket Pals. I’ve got a Leatherman Buck knockoff (which you can’t get any more because it scared Elliot Spitzer), but I almost never use it other than as a bit driver. The Pocket Pal is my pocket pal. Any time I’ve felt “under knifed” I just grab a Mora fixed blade. But Victorinox has discontinued the Pocket Pal under all of its variant names and forms. WTF? So anyway, the… Read more »

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@SJF – “Guys would do themselves a favor by actually reading Rollo and understanding how they have failed themselves, which would then lead them to understand how they failed in a relationship if they are as angry and have lack of getting to the end of the Five Stages of Unplugging.” If that’s an honest critique, then at least go back and read Rollo’s “Spare the Rod”. Then you can come back to this thread and tell me, in light of the fact that I did precisely what he advised at the end of that post, how “I failed myself”… Read more »

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@ Joe K I get what you’re saying 100%, but I think it’s an overreaction of sorts. I still maintain that men hold the burden. Ultimately each man has to do what he thinks is in his best interest. As long as your views are as they are, ( and I’m not slamming or judging, just offering perspective..), the path you outline for yourself is reasonable. There’s nothing blue or puirple in what I wrote to you. Depends on how you interpret it, from what mindset. There’s more than one way to skin a cat/pussy. I don’t necessarily speak from… Read more »

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@Joe K “There is a disconnect here.” If a man has no agency, he will be frustrated. Women are who they are and the red pill espouses that they evolutionarily developed to manipulate males for the safety of themselves and their children. Society changed recently, (60 years), but that doesn’t change the function of brains, minds and hormones. New playing field. Adapt. Women are the same. The have more social power and backing and ideology. What are you going to do about that? Do you not think that Red Pill Awareness (and breaking outside the HiveMind Matrix of current FI… Read more »

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@ Joe K

Oh yeah, I forgot ( also )-

They are indeed just girls , absolutely. This is true of them all at their very core. They are ” different ” but not necessarily ” special “. To think of and classify them any other way rests in the remnants of the old FI mode of thought.

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@ AR ” It’s one of the stages in unplugging. Time was one or two men would show up at Spearhead in that stage from time to time. Now probably there’s a whole lot more across the web every week. The good news is more men are unplugging, the bad news is there will be a perpetual wave of men in the Anger phase spilling across the web for a long time to come, the better news is there’s more places for men to unplug than before.” True enough. Joe isn’t ” wrong “. He’s just in a different place… Read more »

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a woman’s hypergamy coupled with her serial monogamist impulse just proves that she does not have any emotional/sentimental bond with a man from the very minute she acts on that hypergamy – it’s like he doesn’t exist anymore in her world. So I’d go further than your claim that ‘women do love, just in a conditional manner’ – and say that not only is a woman’s attachment (love in your view) conditional, that attachment is ripped to shreds and attempted to be utterly erased the moment she no longer perceives it as being in her self-interest to maintain that attachment.… Read more »

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@Joe K “If that’s an honest critique, then at least go back and read Rollo’s “Spare the Rod”. Then you can come back to this thread and tell me, in light of the fact that I did precisely what he advised at the end of that post, how “I failed myself” and “I failed in my relationship”. OK Rollo Said in Spare the Rod: “All that said, men must be prepared to walk at the first signs that he isn’t a woman’s first priority. The correction comes from a woman learning the value of a man the hard way. Demonstrate,… Read more »

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“Joe isn’t ” wrong “. He’s just in a different place now. But I’m reading his thoughts and my mind is wide open.”

This. I agree with.

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@Blax —

Heh, yes.

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Joe K @AR – a “Ride or Die Woman” and “AWALT in terms of hypergamy” are antonyms, conceptually. Nah. Because you need to attach “right now” to everything women say. Like “I love you ” (right now), “Don’t touch me!” (right now), “Don’t leave me!” (right now). Rollo’s War Brides article fleshes this out in other ways. So “Ride or Die (right now)” fits in just fine with “AWALT in terms of hypergamy”, both can be demonstrated. Sometimes in the same woman, given enough time, where “enough time” would be years for OMG’s, and weeks to months for the 20-somethings.… Read more »

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@ AR ” Nah. Because you need to attach “right now” to everything women say. Like “I love you ” (right now), “Don’t touch me!” (right now), “Don’t leave me!” (right now). Rollo’s War Brides article fleshes this out in other ways. So “Ride or Die (right now)” fits in just fine with “AWALT in terms of hypergamy”, both can be demonstrated. Sometimes in the same woman, given enough time, where “enough time” would be years for OMG’s, and weeks to months for the 20-somethings. All women are hypergamous. They may become less so once they hit the Wall. All… Read more »

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@ Novaseeker Do me a favor, everyone but Blaximus and Novaseeker scroll by this Deida chapter. No one else comment on it just reply if those two comment: And translate as always from new age gay talk to new manosphere red pill talk from the 1997 original. Chapter 18 Tolerating Her Leads to Resenting Her A man gets resentful and frustrated with his woman when he is too afraid, weak, or unskilled to penetrate her moods and tests into love. He wishes she were easier to deal with. But it is not entirely her fault that she is bitchy and… Read more »

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kfg So anyway, the upshot is that I don’t understand a whole lot about the current pocket knife market. There seems to be an awful lot of silly out there that costs a whole lot for no apparent reason. Well, hmm. “Costs a lot” for the reason “to sell” most likely, as with a whole lot of stuff in the world. Tangent – every once in a while I venture into an indoor shopping mall, just to see what it’s like in there. There’s a lot of stuff “to sell” but I am not the target market, for sure. Thinkin’… Read more »

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@SJF — The weather continually cycles through rainy and dry spells, night and day cycle in their turn, and your woman will continually cycle through openness and closure, even when her life and relationship with you seem great. Yes, this is a key to understanding how women are — it is an endless movement, back and forth, for them, interiorly. From my perspective, if you let it go too much into what he describes as the “closure” phase where she feels like she is moving away from you emotionally, she actually *will* move away eventually. I think there are many… Read more »

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Speaking of knives, I went and dug out my Kimber Classic Stainless Target .45 Auto firearm from the basement.

And Holy Shit, that is a sweet firearm. The single action trigger is to die for (on the right end of the barrel of course).

I made sure to lock my truck doors with it in a collection of other accessories for my revolvers in the glove compartment (speedloaders I dug out of the basement). and Ruger .45 Auto magazines.

I’m going to have to go out and shoot it some more on my farm for practice.

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@Novaseeker Have you actually read Deida’s “The Way of the Superior Man”? It is a total resonation of your words re: women. Pua’s can mock it. Men without a good female partner can mock it. Bitter men towards woman can’t possibly get it or accept it. They don’t need it if they can’t possibly get what the deal is. You also shouldn’t even bother to subscribe to it without a good woman. Just don’t even try. Because it would be foolish. But it is actually a Red Pill Thing. Hung on the hook of the Married Red Pill Reddit Sidebar… Read more »

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@SJF —

Yes I did read it — back in the latter noughts, I think. I agree with a lot of his ideas, as I did then as well. I think it would be great if there were a re-issue with different wording, but given that it’s almost 20 years old anyway I doubt that will happen.

And, yes, it goes without saying that a good woman is required. Screening (what Blax describes as reading) is essential. It isn’t a book for how to pick up women in bars and clubs, lol.

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“The little Delica is small enough to carry in a lot of places, but has enough edge for even a knife-dunce like me to use it.” Yeah, and if I hadn’t already gone years without finding much use for a 3″ folder I probably would have just auto-bought one. “Although cops nowadays recognize the clip at 10 paces . . .” Never had a folder with a clip and they’re generally the first thing I take off pocket lights. Don’t like ’em, and I’ve never had an envelope escape me while I took the time to reach deep into my… Read more »

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I have a friend who’s addicted to love…it’s how he gets pussy-whipped. He can’t stay away from a particular woman tho he’s been seeing her for over a month and they have yet to fuck and she’s been with 9+ guys by her admission.

Don’t get addicted to love. It’s good to love and feel the emotions, but don’t let it control you and know your limits.

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@Novaseeker “I agree with a lot of his ideas, as I did then as well. I think it would be great if there were a re-issue with different wording, ” No shit about the re-wording, but I can do my own punk rewording of a classically red pill text. Just like, I think, Blax said: take what you will. But fucking do better for you as a man. Don’t cry about how women are, know your dark side as a man and execute through your problems. Women are not a problem. Then are a solution to you being at your… Read more »

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I have always felt that emotionalism was a tool women used to control men. Women become emotional, luring men to provide comfort which usually leads to empathy. And due to how humans are wired the man begins to feel the same emotions via empathy mirroring. (It’s like dudes having sympathy contractions when their woman is preggers) Now, post red pill terminology lessons, I would evolve this idea as more of an emotional frame grab. What I think most humans DON’T realize is that women mostly CRAVE to have a man who is an emotional rock. Sure they “complain” to their… Read more »

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“The classical liberal values embodied in this culture, that gave rise to the U.S. …” are now leading to its decline, Mainstream Protestant Christianity. The naïve altruism of WEIRD is an anomaly, a mutation of human nature.

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SJF “Knowing who you are and how you fit in the process is a big part of red pill.” Gold Novaseeker “Women are always in motion, in flux, moving towards something — emotionally, I mean, which means mentally because women’s mentality (almost all of them) is overwhelmingly experienced emotionally, even for very smart women who are capable of high reasoning. So a woman experiences herself always moving towards you or away from you, in emotional terms, in love terms. Men are not like this — we are more static emotionally and more bifurcated in terms of dividing emotions from day… Read more »

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I have a friend who’s addicted to love…it’s how he gets pussy-whipped.

A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do, and I gotta post this.
Because reasons.

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There is definitely a trend towards elevating our regard for female traits. But I would argue that society rewards male traits to a far greater degree than it does female. The Atlantic had a great article (“The Confidence Gap,” 2014) by some feminists who observed that women are now more successful in education, yet less successful in the workplace. They did _not_ blame this on sexism, but instead pointed to the innate psychological differences between the sexes. Men have confidence and take action, which is needed to be successful in the workplace. Women are great at the thinking and communicating… Read more »

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kfg I usually don’t have more than one knife on body at any given time (might have a couple more in a bag though), You and that guy at the Trump Tower. Oh, well, he’s young, and now has had a learning experience. but I’ve usually got at least a few lights, each for a different purpose and each “catalogued” by carry. I have worked in buildings without windows. It is remarkable, but people are always amazed how dark it can get in one of those when the electricity goes off. They are also amazed at how emergency lights often… Read more »

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It isn’t simply happenstance that social changes occur simultaneously with technological revolutions and changes in economic ecology. How do we know Marxism isn’t simply an expression of Eusociality and the hive mind adapting to change. As organic networks expand the characteristics of outer nodes change, they become less self reliant, more dependant and more specialised and at the same time the central nodes become more powerful with ever increasing links. It may be that masculinity (which at its core is self reliance, authority and provisioning for others) is adverse to Eusocial expansion. It’s interesting to view old photos of men… Read more »

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@SJF “I don’t believe your story” OK, then do me a favor and don’t respond to my posts anymore. You want to call me out on my integrity, go ahead and do your worst. But that is unassailable – I’ve got the balls to disclose shitty things in my life and my personal experiences with pain and betrayal – you do not – so just abstain, if you have the capability and self-discipline. You took a cheap shot before, so I’m not surprised. That’s about you, not me… But you seem to have some need to lash out against my… Read more »

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@AR

OK, so she’s ‘Ride or Die’ *right now*. That’s equally temporary. And it is a purple pill sentiment – hell, one that I wish were true ‘permanently’ – but it’s not realistic and it’s in stark denial of women’s hypergamous nature.

I wish Rollo would chime in on this, but I’ve got the feeling that he doesn’t want to publicly express agreement with ‘Joe K the nihilist’ which would be de facto disagreement with the cadre of longer-tenured OMGs here.

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It’s interesting that Hyperagamy doesn’t describe an actual emotional state. The way I see it is that women have an innate desire of wanting to be wanted. Not the fulfilment of being wanted but the wanting of being wanted. The desire to desire. The more cerebral might actually coin a word to describe it. The fulfilment of the desire of being wanted doesn’t remove the desire of wanting to be wanted. Anyone who fully fulfils that desire is no longer the object of wanting to be wanted, as it becomes satiated, and thats when Hyperagamy kicks in or the object… Read more »

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The more I think about it, the more I am starting to buy into Scott Adams’ “moist robots” theory, which basically says that humans are not primarily rational, fact-driven creatures. The theory asserts that the vast majority of our waking life is not conscious contemplation of reality but is instead an emotional response to present circumstances. For the most part, to the extent we consciously employ reason it is in the service of ex post facto rationalization, not a priori decision-making. This is particularly the case where the current situation is emotionally charged. I can make a rational decision about… Read more »

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What i see in a lot of this is a dusscusion driven by weak frame. Men who aren’t there just yet, perhaps questioning themslevs if they ever will be but on their way to hitting peak frame. Girls are just girls. Which includes the genetic predisposition to gaslight, branch swing, shit test etc. Don’t to take their bullshit personally. Even when you have to next a bitch. It ain’t personal it’s just business. Her bidness is to suck your cock, bring you sandwiches etc and to improve the quality of your life. A man’s bidness is his own and none… Read more »

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I see men rallying to support the FI plan that men must live in their emotions…”Are you some kind of robot?” I respond, “No, I have feelings, but I don’t let them rule my life. I USE them to further my mission.”

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At the heart of the MGTOW anger against women is the FI assumption that the sexes are equal and the corollary that women should think and act like Blue Pill men do…love idealistically…eschew Hypergamy…be faithful…be rational…etc. Because women aren’t like men, MGTOW men FEEL angry about being lied to…BELIEVE that women have cheated them (though it was male feminists who were hip deep in the fraud)…and break rapport by eschewing women (which is a typically masculine response). Where MGTOW ideas break down is that they don’t realize that they have a lot more unplugging to do after discovering Hypergamy…they continue… Read more »

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Guys would do themselves a favor by actually reading Rollo and understanding how they have failed themselves, which would then lead them to understand how they failed in a relationship if they are as angry and have lack of getting to the end of the Five Stages of Unplugging. True dat. It takes repeated re-readings of TRM to re-wire your brain (well, mine at least). Something in an article in year 3 will wake up a particular neuron, and a supplied link back to a year 1 article will cause a re-read and a slight re-interpretation of the older article,… Read more »

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@Rollo and PUA: in classic Mystery Method, one of the DHVs listed is willignless to display emotions (or something like that, I’m paraphrasing). I always found that a bit strange. Anyone wants to comment and explain it better?

@theasdgamer: you being autistic, it isn’t surprising you get the “are you a robot” question (or variants). Owen Cook (RSD’s Tyler) is described in the Neil Strauss’ book the Game as a robot when socializing and performing Game. He is a master of Game now, and I think that his impressive level of Game now is because (not despite) him being autistic.

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The “find your passion” people are not talking about the deep, abiding satisfaction that comes from achieving a desired result after long hours of struggling with unpleasant, boring, hard work. No they are talking about the deep satisfaction that comes from struggling with a range of emotions… I have a friend who’s addicted to love… This can be used positively… What was the artist’s process and how can you benefit from that? And there we have it… I encourage (again) a viewing of “Life Lessons” the first short in the New York Stories triptych, to see how a man of… Read more »

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“Her bidness is to suck your cock, bring you sandwiches etc and to improve the quality of your life. A man’s bidness is his own and none of hers.”

LOL. Cut-and-paste-and-send to my boy.

“But all the most grave and dreadful things in the world are the oldest jokes in the world—being married; being hanged.”

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Speaking of jokes…

Q: What’s the most successful pickup line ever?
A: “Does this smell like chloroform?”

Thank You! I’ll be here all week! Try the veal!

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@IAS @theasdgamer: you being autistic, it isn’t surprising you get the “are you a robot” question (or variants). I show a lot of emotion…especially laughter. My autism doesn’t inhibit me when it comes to expressing my emotions. The question, “Are you a robot”, wasn’t based on me displaying a lack of emotion, but on my statement that I was unwilling to LIVE IN my emotions nor to let them control me. Star Trek…the series…shows three men and explored how they dealt with the problem of emotions: Spock suppressed his emotions, McCoy lived in his emotions, and Kirk harnessed them to… Read more »

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He is a master of Game now, and I think that his impressive level of Game now is because (not despite) him being autistic.

Probably he doesn’t stim by talking about his obsessions with girls, hah. He understands how his autism CAN benefit his game and how it could HURT his game if he didn’t stifle some autistic tendencies.

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Previous post is Dalrock
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yk_QqPFOWU

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” Even today, western cultures raise emotion to a mythical grandeur. We romanticize and apply great significance to how we feel. We prioritize expressing emotions to being some enlightened state and the repression or control of them as some kind of horrible evil or some form of retardation.” As most of you know I work in the field,(the one with burning sun and freezing cold)where you actually must produce a quality product at a competitive price in a timely manner. I have been training men in the trades for 35 consecutive years.This has given me the oportunity to experience first… Read more »

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@Joe K What’s with all the (Joe K Brand) purple pill labeling of stuff? I agree with SfcTon, it is only purple pill if done in a weak Frame. Strong frame re-labels motivations. @Joe K posted December 13, 2016 at 10:35 pm Just so you know, I’ve posted personal stories a lot before in comments before. Too bad they are scattered back over two years worth of a lot of comments. I’m just simply not a fan of nihilism and Rollo’s Brand of Red Pill doesn’t really include its celebration by you in comments. That is not to preclude you… Read more »

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@Sentient

I have a friend who’s addicted to love…
This can be used positively…

I don’t usually disagree with you, but here I probably will. Being addicted to love means that a man is subject to a woman’s whims. She is his superior and has more power in the relationship. So how can this be used positively?

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“What’s with all the (Joe K Brand) purple pill labeling of stuff? I agree with SfcTon, it is only purple pill if done in a weak Frame. Strong frame re-labels motivations.”

You can re-label anything if you ignore the objective reality.

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Joe K OK, so she’s ‘Ride or Die’ *right now*. That’s equally temporary. It’s not so much temporary in the sense of the timer on a microwave counting down. It is more in the sense of options. I’ve seen women stay with men who were crippled up, and I’ve seen women frivorce men they were totally in love with a few years before. This is part of the burden of performance that Rollo has written about a time or two. And it is a purple pill sentiment No. It is not. It is a statement that comes right out of… Read more »

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@ AR

You killing it.

You keep beating me to the punch in replying to Joe, but your replies are better soooooo… I’ll just read along.

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Dalrock reads a 20th century author named C.S. Lewis and discovers that “courtly love” has always been about the past, and that it is the root of modern cuckservatism.

He aptly labels it “Cuckchivalry”. This is pretty short, and worthwhile reading for everyone.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/14/courtly-love-the-origins-of-cuckchivalry/

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AR
You killing it.

Eh, more likely you’re just happy because I posted Robert Palmer’s best-ever music vid.
That red lipstick…

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Another strange phenomena is the constant vying for male attention in these feminized men or boys or whatever,this is what girls do,not boys.It comes of as a constant form of oneupsmanship,faux competitiveness where nothing gets accomplished besides putting each other down like bitches.
If you want to compete like a man come up with some actual meat and potatoes!

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ASD I don’t usually disagree with you, but here I probably will. Being addicted to love means that a man is subject to a woman’s whims. She is his superior and has more power in the relationship. So how can this be used positively? “Love” is just a feeling derived from chemical reactions… addiction to love is addiction to the feelings the reaction produces. This can be entirely separate from the “person” who is involved in you getting those feelings, they are just a conduit. Such as in sex addiction. The high is not the “person” who is involved in… Read more »

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@ZW: “. . . I am starting to buy into Scott Adams’ “moist robots” theory . . .”

Sometimes I am nothing more than a “meat motor.”

@AR: “Dalrock reads a 20th century author named C.S. Lewis . . .”

Doesn’t everybody?

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@Sentient “Love” is just a feeling derived from chemical reactions …more like chemicals are involved and affecting neurons, but I’m getting chemspergy, hah …and I see one aspect of love as being “of the will”…that aspect is based on character, ethics, etc. …yet another aspect of love is habit and 1000000000 points of data from a life lived together…a wife can “feel” like your right arm…losing her would feel like having your arm ripped off…which explains why some widowers take a wife’s death so hard and “give up” taking care of themselves …let’s return to the chemicals…oxytocin is an opioid…so… Read more »

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@AR: “Dalrock reads a 20th century author named C.S. Lewis . . .”
Doesn’t everybody?

@YaReally, they don’t…they just read the synopsis on teh w3bz

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“This emotionalism is causing a decrease in productivity and quality while at the same time raising the cost of products and services overall.” “Things have gotten to the point that the best employees are 60 plus years old.” My dad was a country boy. Moved to ‘burbs. Fixed everything himself, and figured it out if he hadn’t done it before. Dug basements by hand, built chimneys, started a general contracting business…with the little experience he gained in life. Jesus, I partially understand his level of can-do spirit. His quality was questionable. Code? Never heard of it. He just did it.… Read more »

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so addiction to it puts a man in the position of user and the woman provides the opioid, so she is the pusher

Oxytocin is but one chemical, the cocktail many… To an addict, action is action, and the dragon chased regardless of who ‘she” is… Often is spite of an incumbent “she”…

Another glimpse – Shame

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@Zhu Wuneng, “I hate hate hate lifting weights.” ‘Lifting weights’ could mean a lot of different things. I’m guessing that maybe you’re in that corner of the gym with a lot of the frat-guy routines; a lot of isolation on the biceps, pecs, delts etc. Then hundreds of reps, all annoying and borderline painful with that ‘feel the burn’ type of mentality. That kind of lifting will burn most guys out. Am I right? What are you doing in there? I LOVE weightlifting yet if I had to return to all the annoying bro-lifts like lat raises, concentration curls, tricep… Read more »

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“so addiction to it puts a man in the position of user and the woman provides the opioid, so she is the pusher”

So find a neighborhood with hundreds of pushers then.

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So find a neighborhood with hundreds of pushers then.

The addiction is actually to a particular woman’s FACE…when a man sees the FACE, he gets a dose of opioid…other faces don’t provide the opioid…Oneitis and oxytocin are linked

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Since we’re talking about love and emotions…

…and we’ve heard from Robert Palmer once already…

“I’ve got a bad case of loving you”

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@kaminsky @Sentient

The problem is that oxytocin-based feelings are involved…adding another drug isn’t going to eliminate the addiction to a PARTICULAR face

…adding more women will help with habit-based drugs, but not with drugs mediated by looking at one face

…put another way, if you bang a hot girl, desire is generated, but you have to avoid seeing her too often or you get hooked…so you bang other girls…

…what you are suggesting are tactics to AVOID getting hooked, but they won’t help once an addiction exists

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“One lie of the Feminine Imperative is that men are encouraged to believe that “they aren’t men if they don’t repress their emotions” by some nebulous misogynist social conditioning. The exact opposite is what’s true; boys are conditioned at every opportunity to cry and express feminine approved emotionalism at any opportunity.” The goal is to get men to cry and beg like whiny bitches instead of being dominate, resolute and resorting to anger when necessary. Naturally men are more forceful and brooding where women are more passive and hysterical. The current social gender process attempts to demolish and dispose mans… Read more »

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“This debate always comes down to personal responsibility vs. biological determinism and it’s usually the case that the guy arguing for personal responsibility believes that humans are ‘more evolved’ and we all have personal agency that places us above our evolved hindbrain imperatives. Thus, anyone (in this case women) behaving according to those base natures is either “evil”, ignoring their agency or not as ‘evolved’ as they believe they are.” So, use and work with what you have and what really exists rather than pretending things are different than they really are and getting mad when reality threatens the pretense.… Read more »

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Nihilism provides a temporary sometimes necessary sabbatical.

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My comment seems to have gone missing, so here goes again: I agree with the essay regarding the deference we give to the female over the male experience of emotion. But what is missing here is that society rewards male traits to a far greater degree than female traits. Most feminists will never recognize this, of course, because it means that men have a position of superiority that is not attributable to sexism. But see “The Confidence Gap” (The Atlantic, 2014) for an example of feminists who believe that men have a natural (biological) advantage in the workplace. As they… Read more »

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Domestic work doesn’t present enough of a challenge for most men and is done quickly.A bachelor tends to have an imaculate home compared to a single woman,and this is done in a short time.

Women fall short in education in math skills and reasoning.They know for the most part how to get men to do the dirty work,and don’t want anything to do with this part of male space.

Glad you got your T fixed.

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The things men do are solid and worth paying for.

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“society rewards male traits to a far greater degree than female traits.”

In a competitive setting, yea…men being the competitive sex will out-perform the co-operative sex, women.

And society writes about heroes, doing heroic things. Heroics being the realm of men. So if fame and fortune are the rewards you are referring to…yea men have the advantage.

But society didn’t always tell women that they should strive for, or are even capable, of these things. But now every new Disney Pixar movie is about some young girl breaking the social expectations and being Brave.

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“I’ve got a bad case of loving you”

Better Palmer…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNa-ReeZc8

Consider that most of his other songs can be sung from the girl’s POV…

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I usually don’t have more than one knife on body at any given time (might have a couple more in a bag though)

Obligatory movie clip I forgot to post last night:

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“I didn’t mean to turn you on” is a girl’s song, it was written for Cherelle.

This is what it’s supposed to sound like. Maybe the break-dancing Kong is too 80’s, true.

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“I didn’t mean to turn you on” is a girl’s song, it was written for Cherelle.

Yes- it was, and Palmer turned it around… It’s Not Them. It’s You, and all.

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My holiday wish is, for those who haven’t, to be chased, really chased, by an attractive woman… and at least once, just break up with an attractive woman for no real reason…

May you have a blessed holiday.

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@AR:

That’s not a knife, that’s a Spartan sword. But my ancestors were Franks and if I need a blade that big I just grab an axe. Fuck that “scalpel” shit.

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“Nihilism provides a temporary sometimes necessary sabbatical.” Keep in mind that a sabbatical is generally regarded as a reward of time off after a good showing of performance. (Like the one YaReally is taking.) Not merely a mud pit one wallows in after digging himself into after digging in the wrong places. Meanwhile, shit testing like the push back on Joe and Andy is generally not done here for mere sport (like perhaps I admit to with YaReally). It is meant to prod guys like those two to find a nother lane to cruise in out of the nihilistic mud… Read more »

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““They don’t know how to handle a tool properly,” he says quietly. “They’re bright kids, but they hold a hammer at the top instead of the bottom, so it takes four swings instead of one to get a nail in. They don’t know how to read the short lines on a tape measure and they’ve never used power tools, which makes you really cautious.” He says they can’t seem to detect the patterns of the work—you rip up part of the roof, that gets thrown down, that goes into the garbage—so they just stand around. “It can get really frustrating.”… Read more »

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I squats therefore I am.

Think I would eat a gun if I trained like 98% of the gym world.

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