The Power of Emotion

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Science fiction has always sought to portray human emotion as a weakness to be overcome.
Some have gone further to express the notion of our physical being as a limiting factor. This is notably seen in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I’m aware this is fiction, but I just want to reinforce the point from my earlier post that we don’t have to be held to eternal hostage by nature. We can strive to be better.
A quote from Terminator 2, sums it up admirably.

T-800 to John Connor: “I now know why you cry. But it is something, I can never do.”

While emotions are a part of our experience as human beings, Red Pill aware men need to understand the functionality of emotional responses. Rationality is, of course, the charter of this blog and my books, and while I make my best efforts to approach each aspect of what I write from as objective an origin as I’m able to, I also understand that there are limitations to remaining completely objective. I’m human like anyone else reading this (chatbots excepted) and I’ve always been fully aware that my emotional state, my own ego-investments and biases, as well as the observer effect are all something I need to make a conscious effort to account for while I’m writing about a new idea or observation I’m connecting dots with.

In a few prior posts I’ve made an effort to account for a balance between rationality and emotionalism. I say “emotionalism” because I think there needs to be a separation between the physical experience of emotion and the significance our fem-centric social order would have us place on those experiences. There is a difference between emotional response (evolved stimulus-response adaptations) and the ideologies that elevate human emotion to a metaphysical state (emotionalism).

Seeking, rage, fear, lust, care, panic and play are what are commonly recognized as primal emotions. I didn’t make this list up myself, these are just the most base-level imperatives from which more complex experiences of emotion are distilled. All of these root-level emotional experiences have been studied extensively and can be stimulated chemically and neurologically today. An easy example of this biological connection to emotional experience can be triggered and observed in the ‘roid rages’ experienced by the users of anabolic steroids.

Have you ever been “Hangry“? The feeling of anger / aggressiveness due to being overly hungry is an evolutionary survival adaptation. You’re far more motivated to kill and eat something if the feeling of hunger, prompted by its chemical triggers, also stimulates feelings of aggression. In today’s era that aggression may be inconvenient or anti-social, but our hunter-gatherer ancestors found it both acceptable and useful.

There are dozens of other examples I can give for the connection between our environmental, physical and chemical conditions and our emotional state. Similarly, there are chemical (dopamine) and behavioral prompts we associate with a particular emotional state. I don’t imagine this is anything revelatory to most Red Pill aware readers, but reviewing the objective aspects of emotion is necessary in order to separate it from the social influence of emotionalism.

Testosterone is well known to stimulate feelings of aggression and sexual arousal, but did you know that the chemical make up of testosterone is actually an inhibitor of the chemicals that prompt sadness and crying? When considered in this respect and the fact that human males produce 12 to 17 times the amount of testosterone females do, is it any coincidence that men may feel less compulsion to cry over things? Yet, men are shamed for “holding back” tears. This is an example of the connection between our physical experience of emotions and the importance to which our social order places on (primarily female) emotionalism. There are a lot of complexities that make up our emotional state and the more we study the influences of our own biologies the better we can make a connection between the evolved, survival-beneficial, effect these emotions elicit in us.

The nuts and bolts science of emotions demystifies the more magical, romanticized association we like to apply to them. And at the risk of prompting any kind of nihilism, it’s important that we consider our emotional state in terms of the concrete physical stimulus that’s provoking our emotional states. It’s easy to get into the science of emotions when we’re trying to solve a problem like clinical depression and the feelings and potential behaviors it evokes, but it’s much harder to look at upsetting an elated feeling of happiness. If it ain’t broke there’s no reason to think about fixing it.

But what sets us off about really coming to terms with the science of emotion is it tends to kill our gods. Up until advent of our understanding the cause and effect influences of emotion we’ve applied a lot of metaphysical importance to our emotions. Historically, our emotions have inspired us to create some of the greatest cultural and artistic masterpieces, and they’ve urged us to some pretty ugly atrocities too. Even today, western cultures raise emotion to a mythical grandeur. We romanticize and apply great significance to how we feel. We prioritize expressing emotions to being some enlightened state and the repression or control of them as some kind of horrible evil or some form of retardation.

Emotionalism

The Washington Post (I know, I know,…) recently published the findings of a study outlining how “sexist” men have psychological problems:

Researchers then identified 11 norms considered to be “traditionally masculine” — desire to win, need for emotional control, risk-taking, violence, dominance, sexual promiscuity or playboy behavior, self-reliance, primacy of work, power over women, disdain for homosexuality and pursuit of status — and looked to see whether they were associated with particular mental health outcomes.

In general, the men who stuck more strongly to these norms were more likely to experience problems such as depression, stress, body image issues, substance abuse and negative social functioning. They were also less likely to turn to counseling to help deal with those problems. The effect was particularly strong for men who emphasized playboy behavior, power over women and self-reliance.

As you might expect, what’s defined as “toxic” masculinity today is decided by people invested in a mindset that confirms the Feminine Imperative. This article follows along with what will likely be the Trump-era narrative for masculinity – anything remotely considered “traditionally” masculine will be conflated with a psychological disorder. The cure to which is, of course, ego-investing men in feminine-primary mental states; effectively feminizing men.

If we look at the norms identified by this study we are expected to nod in agreement about the negative, potentially damaging, connotations these traditionally masculine aspects imply. But they are only negative because the objective environment we are supposed to interpret them from is one of feminine primacy. Anything that can be considered an impediment to female societal control, any aspect of men’s intrinsic natures that lessens the same potentials of women is considered “toxic”.

Desire to win, need for emotional control, risk-taking, violence, dominance, sexual promiscuity or playboy behavior, self-reliance, primacy of work, power over women, disdain for homosexuality and pursuit of status – by orders of degree these are the foundational aspects of masculinity that’s been responsible for the advancement of humanity for millennia now. I’m not entirely sure what ‘playboy lifestyle’ entails, but consider the problems these aspects of male nature evolved to solve for men. Each one of these characteristics has a functional prompt; they didn’t evolve in a vacuum. These parts of masculinity were and are functional benefits to men. Only in a society that defines supremacism of women and the primacy of female-correctness do these aspects become negative.

I doubt it will come as any surprise to the Red Pill aware that all of these traits used to have a higher social value in virtually all social orders prior to our present one. It’s not enough to make female social interaction the preeminent one, masculinity and its conventional aspects must be pathologized. They must become a sickness if gynocentrism is to sustain itself.

I’m exploring this here because the female way of socialization is founded upon emotionalism. I think it’s important for Red Pill men to understand that the defining of what particular emotional states are acceptable is intimately linked to what those states mean to the Feminine Imperative. In the past 60 years western(ized) culture has become one in which the feminine defines the predominant cultural narrative with regard to intersexual communication, correctness and the psychological values we are meant to infer from it. This discourse is one that is primarily informed by women’s high priority on an investment in emotionalism.

In past essays I’ve outlined how men and women’s brains are neurologically wired for different, yet complementary functions. Women experience negative emotions differently from men. The male brain evolved to seek out sex before food. And while our feminine-centric social order insists that, in the name of equalism, boys should be forced to learn in the same modality as that of girls, the science shows that boys brains are rudimentarily wired to learn differently.

“Greater emotional reactivity in women may explain many things, such as their being twice as likely to suffer from depression and anxiety disorders compared to men,” Mendrek added, who is also an associate professor at the University of Montreal’s Department of Psychiatry.

Yet for all of these very evident physical differences in men and women’s experience of emotion, it is women’s experience, and a feminine priority for the ‘correctness’ of that experience we apply to men. I would suggest that much of this is primarily due to women’s innate solipsism, but we’ve normalized women’s experience of emotion as the common and correct one in terms of intersexual communication and social dynamics.

Emotionalism and the applying of metaphysical meaning to the feminine-correct experience of them has pervaded our social consciousness since the time of the sexual revolution. This elevated importance of emotion has been a part of popular culture for millennia of course, but until the rise of a socially mandated importance of female Hypergamy we haven’t had female emotionalism direct the course of society as it has for over sixty years now.

As such, we see that men “getting in touch with their feminine sides” is really a concerted effort to repress their natural experience of emotion as a male, and to attempt to force their own emotional states into ones females can identify with. As I mentioned above, there are literally biological limitations for a man to experience emotion as a woman as well as his impulse to want to prioritize those feelings as women do. The presumption is that a man is emotionally stunted if he feel that repressing his emotions is what he ought to do. “Boys don’t cry” is a sickness when it is women’s experience and importance of emotionalism that drives our social discourse.

Women bemoan men’s stereotypical lack of “emotional availability”, and we put a religious importance upon our capacity to express our emotions in some way, but all of this is constrained to the box that is women’s correct experience and importance of emotion. This is not what men’s brains are naturally wired for, and in a Red Pill context this is not what women’s hindbrains want from men.

It’s important for Red Pill men to understand that our feminine-primary social order is founded up the importance women place on the God of emotion. Part of your Blue Pill conditioning was to convince you, as a young boy, that the way women emote and the importance they put on emotion is what you needed to accept as the healthy, normal way of experiencing and expressing it. The truth is you are not wired to experience emotion as a woman will. That isn’t to suggest you deny or repress your feelings, but to understand that you shouldn’t feel bad for not feeling as a woman feels. This kind of goes back to the point I was making in Empathy; while it may be possible for a woman to sympathize with your feelings, she will never be able to empathize with them as a man would experience it.

Furthermore, it should be part of men’s unplugging to come to terms with the metaphysical importance women place on (largely their own) emotional states. They remove the functional aspect of emotion and elevate it to something only women have a unique sensitivity to understand. Separating yourself from this self-induced, self-applied belief in emotion can be a very powerful tool for a Red Pill man in his dealing with women – and not just the ones he’s intimately involved with. Separating your ego from the religion of emotion and coming to terms with the science of emotion is a very difficult step for Blue Pill invested men to make. As I said, it’s like killing your gods, but it’s also killing the notion of the emotionalism you think you need to identify with in order to connect with a woman.

398 comments

  1. @all

    so apparently I am like really good at lying and created this elaborate story that is complicated as fuck and everyone believes me and is funny as fuck lol.

    i need to move to a better city stat

  2. adsgamer
    Emotions need to be put in the same category as addictive and habit-forming drugs and men need to make sure that they don’t allow themselves to become addicted to emotional states.

    Yes. Someone with better knowledge of the Stoics can add on with quotes going back to Rome, ancient Greece, ancient China.

    Although this would cut into the ticket sales of every major sporting contest, just for a start.

  3. Emotion department:

    Every woman I’ve known hated, feared, loathed mice. Not a full world-wide cross section of the human race, but every one I’ve known. Regardless of age, on a couple of continents. Earlier this year I was talking with a young-30’s woman in a medical field. She’d done human dissections in school. So not squeamish, but mice? She wrinkled up her nose in the “disgust – something stinks” expression, said something about how disgusting they are – “the tails! Uh! Eh! Oh! I can’t stand to even see…” and then pretty much left the room.

    I can tell a Just So evo-psych story about the disgust reaction and how women could develop a near-instinctual loathing for rodent-vermin. But I wonder if this is universal.

    Now, this reminds me of the old man from Maine I listened to a while back who grew up trapping beaver – well, “beavah” – and how there was nothing at all wrong with killing rodents, especially when they can flood out a treelot and get into other places they shouldn’t be. Not a man who grew up with the Disney idea of woodland animals, nope.
    “Theah ROdunts! Nahsty ROdunts”. Heh.

    Should run that by some girls – “no, reallly, a beaver coat is rodent fur!”

  4. I find Whedon boring. I’ll give Firefly this, I was actually able to sit through a couple of episodes. Never could make it through a single Buffy, even though I made deliberate effort to do so. I’d turn it on, then a couple hours later, in the middle of doing something, I’d find myself thinking, “Oh. Wait. Wasn’t I watching something?”

    Got into a nerd fight once when I commented that not only did Firefly bore me, but I’d already seen it, back when it was called the Dollars Trilogy.

    Then I saw the movie, Serenity, and enjoyed it quite a bit, and after that was able to watch the series for background without getting too bored by it. I’ll even use a few of the choice quotes now and again (Whedon may write boring stories, but he is pretty good with the short quip).

    But I still don’t understand the Brown Shirts.

    “Although this would cut into the ticket sales of every major sporting contest, just for a start.”

    There’s a plus side to everything.

  5. Y’all chopping it up in the comments. Makes for interesting reading.

    @ Joe K.

    To paraphrase Rollo, women aren’t capable of loving a man the way that he wants to be loved, or thinks that he should be loved. But women do indeed love, they just happen to love like girls/women.

    There’s nothing inherently odd, strange or wrong about this.

    Let me ask you, exactly how do you think women should love men? Is it some form of unconditional love? Remember, there are always exceptions to every single rule, or we’d have no need for ” rules “, but women love conditionally for the most part. If I were to go home and punch my wife in the face, she will withdraw her love from me ( even if she does not stop loving me in some fashion…) because that is one of her unspoken conditions. it’s just understood .

    AWALT is the absolute rule of the day, always, but it is certainly by degrees. Some of those degrees are so small as to be invisible to the naked eye. Some of those degrees actually will blot out the sun.

    A man is capable of garnering love and affection from a woman, but the man’s satisfaction with that love will depend on his understanding of her particular mechanics. When we start thinking and believing that ” they are all incapable of love “, we are actually doing ourselves a disservice. The trick for us is to have the knowledge to be able to read them thoroughly, and always discard those that are not up to code ( a farewell bang may just be in order though ). Again, we are the true romantics at heart and we can’t allow ourselves to be dumbstruck to the point of distractingly misfiring neurons.

    When the romantic in us starts playing Van Halen’s Eruption on our emotions, bad shit happens. We start overlooking blatant red flags. We’ll continue to do this until we will experience the relationship equivalent of waking up in a ditch with our pants down around our ankles.

    Nobody wants that.

    So I’ll repeat an oft repeated anthem here: It’s not them, it’s you. Fem-centric society is trying it’s best to con us into always believing everything is about ” Her “. Nah. Everything is about us and our abilities and knowledge in the final analysis. Always. Drive 100 mph on the highway blindfolded, and you will eventually crash and burn. Bad choice. Misread some hawt and lovely and forget to test her and do your due diligence because ” hard on and horny ” and you will still crash and burn, or at least the probability will skyrocket.

    When I was 11 or 12, I tore down and rebuilt my first engine with my dad. It was difficult and daunting ( fucking micrometers and feeler gauges and torque wrenches and shit ), but once I’d done it a few times and got my knowledge up, I couldn’t WAIT to do it again and again. Dual overhead cammed engine? Supercharged? Twin Turbos? Now they were all ” Just Engines “. A combustion engine by any other name…etc. etc.

    Women are no more ” evil ” than men. They are just different. They think and process shit differently. They play their chick games, I play my Man shit. Hint: They love man shit. Whenever I hear a man refer to women as ” evil “, I want to yell at him ” Well Go Exorcise That Bitch!!!”. They are the weaker sex. I don’t fear and mistrust puppies and kittens, soooo….. Are they cunning? Lol, many are. That’s how they get bigger and stronger men to do shit for them without getting raped and stoned to death in the process. This stuff is evolved. Again, it will all boil down to us, our ability, knowledge, perspective and full understanding.

    It’s like the OP. Personally, I make sure I feel my full range of emotions. Not because of anything to do with women per se, but that allows me to identify what the fuck might be going on in their noggins. That way I already know what I gotta do. 1 step ahead at all times. It’s as easy as scratching your balls really. Although we all deal with emotions, we men don’t experience them in the same ways as women do. Most chicks love the drama of getting swept up in their emotional shit. This is not a negative!! Just be sure to stay far enough back so that you don’t accidently get swept up in those emotional tornadoes with them. they don’t want you to, regardless of what they may say.

    Somebody’s gotta remain rational..

    I love all women, even a few of the crazy ones. Without their feminine hiccups, my outstanding masculinity would be slightly diminished. And many will love me back completely. The ones that don’t, no skin off my nose. They can catch the fuckouttahere express.

  6. You showing me the forest, fuck that’s just a giggle. You don’t even understand the import of my POV and concerns.

    But to make it clear for you, here goes. WASP culture gave rise to the modern world. Our entire way of life is predicated on certain cultural and biological assumptions encapsulated in part by the Puritan ethic and the Protestant ethic that followed. Catholics essentially moderated and mainstreamed, becoming much more like Protestants. Jews act like Protestants in the U.S. – do you know Ralph Lauren’s real name? Jon Stewart?

    This self-reliant, modest, industrious ideal became the center of life and culture in the U.S. I know, I was raised in the shadow of it. Americans were “rugged individuals” and had a “can-do spirit”. We had “American Ingenuity” and American manufactured products were generally the highest quality in the world. We were larger than life and amazing. Just stop and consider how we defeated the Germans, Japanese and Russians, and for the most part, they never touched our homeland. There has been nothing like the United States in the history of the world. Ever.

    The classical liberal values embodied in this culture, that gave rise to the U.S. are amazing and worth propagating. When western European whites die out, it’s all over for classical liberalism and real liberty. Seems we are less than 250 years away from being a tiny minority. Does that not bother you? And if you aren’t white, from Western Europe, do you at least understand from where all this prosperity arises? Do you not want western Euro whites standing for liberty?

    If we don’t, who will?

  7. Scriblerg
    You showing me the forest, fuck that’s just a giggle. You don’t even understand the import of my POV and concerns.

    Ok. So still unable to learn anything from anyone else? Sperg on, dude.

    The classical liberal values embodied in this culture, that gave rise to the U.S. are amazing and worth propagating.

    Yeah. So?

    When western European whites die out, it’s all over for classical liberalism and real liberty.

    Could be. So?

    Seems we are less than 250 years away from being a tiny minority.

    Maybe. Predictions are difficult, especially about the future. So?

    Does that not bother you? And if you aren’t white, from Western Europe, do you at least understand from where all this prosperity arises? Do you not want western Euro whites standing for liberty?

    Dude, most of the world doesn’t care about liberty. But see below.

    If we don’t, who will?

    Who’s “we”?
    You planning to make babies and raise them? You planning to run for office? Found a new country? So far all you are doing is emoting, and demanding that I emote like you. Pretty appropriate in view of the OP, but I don’t see anything more than Look! Look! Look! Anger! Fear! AAAGH! The first step is to identify the problem, cool.

    Now what?

    Oh, and by the way, Scrib aren’t you the same guy who just a year or two back denounced anyone talking like this as racist? Just asking.

  8. Hey Blaximus.

    Good reply to Joe K. the nihilist.

    “It’s not them, it’s you.”

    And thanks, I was about to write a half page of rebuttal (and quote four chapters of Deida) to his nihilist rants which were grating on my sensibilities like fingernails on a chalkboard.

    I totally agree. The Red Pill at least in the form that is on The Rational Male is about self-improvement, (If Needed, mind you Joe, or even resting on self improved laurels). And that is a big point of contention, although veiled, in the PUA mindsets of the process of PUA is uber alles.

    Knowing who you are and how you fit in the process is a big part of red pill.

  9. @ SJF

    Thing is, I’ve run across quite a few guys that think and believe as Joe K does.

    To my mind, Joe’s sentiments only serve to accentuate the need for men to have a greater RP understanding. They can still choose to go another route, but at least don’t go under what I consider to be false pretenses.

    Women are not the enemy.

    ” Knowing who you are and how you fit in the process is a big part of red pill.”

    Precisely.

    Sometimes one must look into the nearest mirror consistently. It ain’t fun, but it will pay dividends , long lasting dividends in the future.

  10. Upstate New York student gets people all emotional when he tries to enter Trump Tower with his usual backpack and usual contents. I don’t understand the switchblade, they break too easily.

    http://nypost.com/2016/12/13/student-arrested-after-bringing-weapons-into-trump-tower/

    When agents checked his bag, they found out he was telling the truth, uncovering a large hunting knife in the pouch, an M100 firecracker, handcuffs, a switchblade, a flashlight, an 8-foot-long black rope and a garrote, sources said. It wasn’t clear what the garrote, a weapon used to strangle a person, was made of.

    Wang — who told cops he is a Trump supporter — said he “always” carries the weapons because he’s a “survivalist” who is also into martial arts and likes fireworks, sources said.

    The teen, who is from upstate Poughquag, told police that he “likes to use the lounge [at Trump Tower] to study” and has been to the 68-story tower with his bag of weapons more than 10 times, including two days after Trump was elected, sources said.

  11. Blaximus

    Thing is, I’ve run across quite a few guys that think and believe as Joe K does.

    Yeah, me too. Me too!

    It’s one of the stages in unplugging. Time was one or two men would show up at Spearhead in that stage from time to time. Now probably there’s a whole lot more across the web every week. The good news is more men are unplugging, the bad news is there will be a perpetual wave of men in the Anger phase spilling across the web for a long time to come, the better news is there’s more places for men to unplug than before.

  12. @SJF @Blaximus @Anonymous Reader (from prior thread RE: ‘Ride or Die Woman’)

    I hear you, and I understand your investment in eschewing nihilism. This is not a criticism of your prescriptive thoughts regarding self-improvement, which sound quite good – but it is a criticism of the validity of…your criticism of nihilism, essentially.

    Postmodernism has shone a blazing light on the shit Nietzsche was talking about 150 years ago. He welcomed the challenge of seeing what the world would look like stripped of its essential cultural foundations. Well, now we see what it looks like when those foundations have been stripped away. Surely you have read Rollo’s ‘What’s Your Problem’. It seems to me that it goes hand in hand with the postmodernist stripping away of foundations…

    …and the cultural embrace of open hypergamy – which brings me to my next series of points.

    @AR – a “Ride or Die Woman” and “AWALT in terms of hypergamy” are antonyms, conceptually. It surprises me that you’d promote this purple pill idea, except that I do understand that you likely have a real, serious investment in/with a particular woman. I mean that genuinely – when you’re living that life, you’ve gotta believe it can actually work. By definition.

    @Blaximus –

    Women are not *inherently* more evil than men – but in the modern age, their *actions* collectively are almost infinitely more evil than men. If men had unfettered carte blanche to rape, pillage, and murder – while women were hiding out in caves fearing for their lives – I’d say the opposite, that men’s actions were vastly more evil in that kind of society. So I don’t see my nihilist critique of modern women as being unfair or unjust or whatever – I see it as being provably, empirically true.

    As for women’s capacity to ‘love’ – we had this debate a month ago, and it seems we just disagree. I refer to the dictionary definition of love as being something enduring, indefinite, sustainable. Other men say I’m ‘being too black and white’. OK, there’s no getting to agreement there. A slight addition to my previous screed on this – a woman’s hypergamy coupled with her serial monogamist impulse just proves that she does not have any emotional/sentimental bond with a man from the very minute she acts on that hypergamy – it’s like he doesn’t exist anymore in her world. So I’d go further than your claim that ‘women do love, just in a conditional manner’ – and say that not only is a woman’s attachment (love in your view) conditional, that attachment is ripped to shreds and attempted to be utterly erased the moment she no longer perceives it as being in her self-interest to maintain that attachment.

    @SJF –

    You like to quote Deida – and again, he’s got some good wisdom. But you are intentionally not delving into ALL of Deida’s stuff. As I’ve said – he’s purple pill to the core. You don’t want to read “Dear Lover” or that other book he wrote ‘for women’ the name of which escapes me at the moment, because you don’t like what it might tell you about what he actually believes.

    @Rollo –

    If you’re really even-handed about this, and not defensively/reflexively identifying as “Team OMG”, I’d challenge you to call out the purple pill assertions of your long-time, respected OMG commenters when they arise – and as I’ve specifically delineated here. When you’re done righteously trashing the purple pill assertions of PUA-lite YSGs, of course.

  13. Oh – and one more thing I forgot to include:

    @Blaximus – you say “They’re just girls”. You liken women to having all the power of puppies and kittens. They are ‘the weaker sex’ and they’re just playing ‘chick games’.

    @Rollo – you wrote ‘What’s Your Problem’. You’ve written volumes on the severe dangers of being involved with women in the modern era. You take women’s “games” seriously.

    There is a disconnect here.

    Also, @Blax – if you don’t believe women can actually love, it takes a hell of a lot of the satisfaction of attracting and bedding them out of the equation. If you actually believe they can love you, it’ll be that much more rewarding….for *you*. I’d argue this requires self-deceit, at least it would for me. So women are necessary vehicles to quenching the sex drive at best – and completely life-destructing monsters at worst. Not exactly a spectrum of possibilities tilted in my favor.

  14. The most recent dust-up was over The Red Pill being mis-understood. Which was also nails on chalk board.

    Guys would do themselves a favor by actually reading Rollo and understanding how they have failed themselves, which would then lead them to understand how they failed in a relationship if they are as angry and have lack of getting to the end of the Five Stages of Unplugging.

    Look the Five Stages of Unplugging are a descriptive thing. They fail the guys that need a road map. The five stages weren’t actually designed as a praxeology, they were described by Kubler -Ross as a way to take dying patients to their grave (to make them and their significant others aware of how they felt and those feelings were valid), not to take survivors to redemption.

    Keep this in mind. There is no direction there. But if you wallow in denial, anger, bargaining or depression, then how does that serve you and what are you going to do about your sexual strategegy? Joe K?, Joe K?, Joe K?…….

    Real Power and Masculine personal agency are at stake, otherwise you will continue with $30 hookers and carry on with your stash or money. (no judgement there, but satisfaction, acceptance and release from constraint (freedom) are actually a thing–a red pill thing. That is the actual fucking goal of Red Pill. Enlightened self interest, after needed or not self-improvement and women being a complement to your life not the focus of it). And on top of that No Fear (T.M.) of what comes next compliments of Blaximus.

    And once again, there is actually nothing wrong with PUA, Attraction, and integration with Red Pill Awareness. No one here dislikes the integration of the two. Everyone dislikes the opposition of tribes of YSG/OMG and PUA/LTR devotees. There is not actually those divides in understood True Red Pill. If you think there is, go read some old Ian Ironwood at the Red Pill Room.

    In the meantime ignore the unhappy and the unlucky, as well as the bitter at women types and look to guys that actually built their strategy well. The artists that have a brand of success. Don’t copy them, look to their process. How did they get to where their process led them?

    Look to guys that got to where they wanted to get. Guys that aren’t whining about their sexual strategy. Guys that aren’t looking to imaginary philosopher’s ( cough, cough, Jed McKenna, Umm, Sorry? Andy–I like you and want you to succeed for the kids. But Jed is a fiction–an imaginary writer getting his emotions out– with feel good masculine, nihilist sentiments. But I fucking digress a big bit).

    Anyway, the goal is to actually get somewhere.

    Rather than react negative to other tribal guys, employ the Art of Amog, sidle up to someone that actually had success in the realm you want to have success in, whether it be getting laid, having a stoic success in life, building something from a young or 27 year old young life, or just loves the hell out of power and success for him.

    What was the artist’s process and how can you benefit from that? As well as: how is he full of shit?

  15. “I don’t understand the switchblade, they break too easily.”

    I happen to be knife shopping in the other windows right now. My intent was to order a few extra Victorinox Pocket Pals. I’ve got a Leatherman Buck knockoff (which you can’t get any more because it scared Elliot Spitzer), but I almost never use it other than as a bit driver. The Pocket Pal is my pocket pal. Any time I’ve felt “under knifed” I just grab a Mora fixed blade.

    But Victorinox has discontinued the Pocket Pal under all of its variant names and forms. WTF?

    So anyway, the upshot is that I don’t understand a whole lot about the current pocket knife market. There seems to be an awful lot of silly out there that costs a whole lot for no apparent reason.

    Thinkin’ a Spyderco Dragonfly. Roughly the same blade length as the primary on the Pocket Pal, which doesn’t scare the pussy class overmuch, while still being a bit “more” knife, and I’ve never had a Spyderco. Still running at 60s tech with the whole knife thang, but only because, ya know, it works, and isn’t silly.

    And while I’m at it I might throw in a Cold Steel Tuff Lite, just because it looks like it would scare the shit out of any feral refrigerator boxes I might chance across in my ramblings.

  16. @SJF –

    “Guys would do themselves a favor by actually reading Rollo and understanding how they have failed themselves, which would then lead them to understand how they failed in a relationship if they are as angry and have lack of getting to the end of the Five Stages of Unplugging.”

    If that’s an honest critique, then at least go back and read Rollo’s “Spare the Rod”. Then you can come back to this thread and tell me, in light of the fact that I did precisely what he advised at the end of that post, how “I failed myself” and “I failed in my relationship”.

  17. @ Joe K

    I get what you’re saying 100%, but I think it’s an overreaction of sorts.

    I still maintain that men hold the burden.

    Ultimately each man has to do what he thinks is in his best interest. As long as your views are as they are, ( and I’m not slamming or judging, just offering perspective..), the path you outline for yourself is reasonable.

    There’s nothing blue or puirple in what I wrote to you. Depends on how you interpret it, from what mindset.

    There’s more than one way to skin a cat/pussy. I don’t necessarily speak from the angle of a pua, so I’m not fully talking about a narrower scope of gaining satisfaction from bedding women, or gaining some manner of self esteem from the ability to attract them either.

    I am 100% Man-centric, in that I approach these things from the aspect of what best serves the man Long Term. Broader spectrum, always.

  18. @Joe K

    “There is a disconnect here.”

    If a man has no agency, he will be frustrated.

    Women are who they are and the red pill espouses that they evolutionarily developed to manipulate males for the safety of themselves and their children.

    Society changed recently, (60 years), but that doesn’t change the function of brains, minds and hormones.

    New playing field. Adapt. Women are the same. The have more social power and backing and ideology.

    What are you going to do about that? Do you not think that Red Pill Awareness (and breaking outside the HiveMind Matrix of current FI social conventions) is not valuable for your sexual strategy? What is your plan?

    Ride the tiger? Embrace nihilism? Be a nihilist? Be angry, discounting the value of females in your life and have madonna/whore complex feelings?

    Where do you want to actually go?

    Are you unhappy and unlucky? Do you want to purchase your way out of that with money, lifestyle and possessions?

    Do you see a way towards real power?

    If not, then you might be wasting time with red pill.

    What’s the plan, Man? Where do you want to go with sexual strategy? And is that going to go on for your lifetime?

    What is your actual strategy for going forward in life strategy other than bumming around on some wealth you have? How long you going to do that.

    Are you going to pretty much have a completion in life in the next couple years? So then you can rest in your journey.

    Keep in mind these silly questions are Red Pill Questions? If you don’t want to address at least some of them, then what the fuck are you actually doing on this Red Pill Site?

  19. @ Joe K

    Oh yeah, I forgot ( also )-

    They are indeed just girls , absolutely. This is true of them all at their very core. They are ” different ” but not necessarily ” special “. To think of and classify them any other way rests in the remnants of the old FI mode of thought.

  20. @ AR

    ” It’s one of the stages in unplugging. Time was one or two men would show up at Spearhead in that stage from time to time. Now probably there’s a whole lot more across the web every week. The good news is more men are unplugging, the bad news is there will be a perpetual wave of men in the Anger phase spilling across the web for a long time to come, the better news is there’s more places for men to unplug than before.”

    True enough.

    Joe isn’t ” wrong “. He’s just in a different place now. But I’m reading his thoughts and my mind is wide open.

    Time to learn ( yay!!).

  21. a woman’s hypergamy coupled with her serial monogamist impulse just proves that she does not have any emotional/sentimental bond with a man from the very minute she acts on that hypergamy – it’s like he doesn’t exist anymore in her world. So I’d go further than your claim that ‘women do love, just in a conditional manner’ – and say that not only is a woman’s attachment (love in your view) conditional, that attachment is ripped to shreds and attempted to be utterly erased the moment she no longer perceives it as being in her self-interest to maintain that attachment.

    Hmmm.

    In my experience it is more like this.

    Women are always in motion, in flux, moving towards something — emotionally, I mean, which means mentally because women’s mentality (almost all of them) is overwhelmingly experienced emotionally, even for very smart women who are capable of high reasoning. So a woman experiences herself always moving towards you or away from you, in emotional terms, in love terms. Men are not like this — we are more static emotionally and more bifurcated in terms of dividing emotions from day to day mental perception, so men often miss the boat in terms of responding to women’s ongoing state of flux. Over the course of time, this leads to bad results, because it leads to the woman’s motion being away from you. She may not want this, she may be very angry that you are not stopping this, but she cannot stop her own motion and drift, it is what it is. It isn’t, in the case of most women, devious or acting on self-interest. It is following her emotions, as she did when she chose you. What happens is that when men don’t manage that properly (not by giving in to her emotional motion and flux, but by being the counter to it in an active way rather than letting her drift), she eventually moves in a direction that is away from you, and then she acts on hypergamy and the rest of the train happens. Again, it isn’t deviousness or opportunism in most women (there are, of course, some women who are in fact devious and opportunistic) — it’s just how they work psychologically, and a man needs to understand that and work with it, rather than calling them evil for being emotionally wired up that way. Their emotions are always in motion, including their emotional love — that is just how they are. It isn’t moral or immoral, it just *is.*

  22. @Joe K

    “If that’s an honest critique, then at least go back and read Rollo’s “Spare the Rod”. Then you can come back to this thread and tell me, in light of the fact that I did precisely what he advised at the end of that post, how “I failed myself” and “I failed in my relationship”.

    OK Rollo Said in Spare the Rod: “All that said, men must be prepared to walk at the first signs that he isn’t a woman’s first priority. The correction comes from a woman learning the value of a man the hard way. Demonstrate, do not explicate. ”

    Which means, why can’t you do the job to not be the first priority? Are you whining about your deficiencies or are you whining about women. There is a certain subset of red pill in which the latter isn’t subscribed to . It you keep harping on it you will start harping on that subset.

    I don’t believe your story, and if you told your story of why you weren’t the women’s first priority that you would be believable, because, you know, it is always their fault and you have no improvement, red pill awareness or game to contribute to being attractive to her.

    You are not just really into this Rational Male stuff. You are not a believer and you are approaching SPAM LEVEL Girls have nothing to contribute. That’s OK. Young and inexperienced in the ways of seduction are excusable

  23. “Joe isn’t ” wrong “. He’s just in a different place now. But I’m reading his thoughts and my mind is wide open.”

    This. I agree with.

  24. Joe K
    @AR – a “Ride or Die Woman” and “AWALT in terms of hypergamy” are antonyms, conceptually.

    Nah. Because you need to attach “right now” to everything women say. Like “I love you ” (right now), “Don’t touch me!” (right now), “Don’t leave me!” (right now). Rollo’s War Brides article fleshes this out in other ways.

    So “Ride or Die (right now)” fits in just fine with “AWALT in terms of hypergamy”, both can be demonstrated. Sometimes in the same woman, given enough time, where “enough time” would be years for OMG’s, and weeks to months for the 20-somethings.

    All women are hypergamous. They may become less so once they hit the Wall. All women are capable of “Ride or Die” loyalty in theory, but some may be so damaged (BPD, for example) that side of them is gone. Wearing what Dalrock once called The Glasses or taking the Red Pill enables me to see women as they are, not as I wish they were, or fear they are. It resolves the cognitive dissonance over “how can you say that and do this?”.

    A Just So evo-psych story would tell of the cave woman who was Ride or Die (right now) loyal with her caveman because he brought back good chunks of herbivore that she and her child could eat, keeping them alive and her pregnant, until the day he didn’t come back from the hunt at all…and she had to find another source of protein, so she became a War Bride (right now) to a different cave man, became Ride or Die (right now) to him, and then he fed her, her children AND knocked her up. Thus her loyalty (right now) and her pragmatic monkeybranching (right now) kept her and at least one child alive (right now!) until that child was able to reproduce.

    Thus the twin traits enabled her to succeed in passing her genes down…to her umpty-great granddaughter, who flicked her eyes at you the other day as you walked by just to see if you were looking back.

  25. @ AR

    ” Nah. Because you need to attach “right now” to everything women say. Like “I love you ” (right now), “Don’t touch me!” (right now), “Don’t leave me!” (right now). Rollo’s War Brides article fleshes this out in other ways.

    So “Ride or Die (right now)” fits in just fine with “AWALT in terms of hypergamy”, both can be demonstrated. Sometimes in the same woman, given enough time, where “enough time” would be years for OMG’s, and weeks to months for the 20-somethings.

    All women are hypergamous. They may become less so once they hit the Wall. All women are capable of “Ride or Die” loyalty in theory, but some may be so damaged (BPD, for example) that side of them is gone. Wearing what Dalrock once called The Glasses or taking the Red Pill enables me to see women as they are, not as I wish they were, or fear they are. It resolves the cognitive dissonance over “how can you say that and do this?”.

    A Just So evo-psych story would tell of the cave woman who was Ride or Die (right now) loyal with her caveman because he brought back good chunks of herbivore that she and her child could eat, keeping them alive and her pregnant, until the day he didn’t come back from the hunt at all…and she had to find another source of protein, so she became a War Bride (right now) to a different cave man, became Ride or Die (right now) to him, and then he fed her, her children AND knocked her up. Thus her loyalty (right now) and her pragmatic monkeybranching (right now) kept her and at least one child alive (right now!) until that child was able to reproduce.

    Thus the twin traits enabled her to succeed in passing her genes down…to her umpty-great granddaughter, who flicked her eyes at you the other day as you walked by just to see if you were looking back.”

    Perfect!!

    Last tune of the evening….

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMV-fenGP1g&w=640&h=360%5D

    Cosign.

  26. @ Novaseeker

    Do me a favor, everyone but Blaximus and Novaseeker scroll by this Deida chapter. No one else comment on it just reply if those two comment:

    And translate as always from new age gay talk to new manosphere red pill talk from the 1997 original.

    Chapter 18

    Tolerating Her Leads to Resenting Her

    A man gets resentful and frustrated with his woman when he is too afraid, weak, or unskilled to penetrate her moods and tests into love. He wishes she were easier to deal with. But it is not entirely her fault that she is bitchy and complaining. It is also a reflection of her lack of being penetrated by love. When a man resigns, and simply tolerates his woman’s self-destructive moods, it is a sign of his weakness. His attitude has become one of wanting to escape women and the world, rather than wanting to serve women and the world into love. A man shouldn’t tol- erate bitchy and complaining moodiness in his woman, but he should serve her and love her with every ounce of his skill and perseverance. Then, if she cannot or will not open in love, he might decide to end his relationship with her, harboring no anger or resentment, because he knows he has done everything he could.

    (Edit. Translate the fuck out of this: it is not literal new age shit it is: Have a good woman and have your perform your bestest. It is a thing. Be actually good and worth getting with.

    Game: it’s you, not her. )

    The whole point of an intimacy is to serve each other in growth and love, hopefully in better ways than we can serve ourselves. Otherwise, why engage in intimacy if your growth and love are served more by living alone? Intimacy is about growing more than you could by yourself, through the art of mutual gifting.

    One of the largest gifts you can give your woman is your capacity to open her heart when it is closed. Sure, she can get herself out of her dark mood, but your masculine thunderbolt of love can brighten her darkness in a way she can’t do for herself.

    If you are like most men, however, you probably end up feeling burdened by your woman’s mood. You feel your woman is a pain in the ass. You wish your woman would leave you alone and take care of herself. Eventually you feel worn down, or frustrated. You end up simply tolerating your woman’s moods, while resentment builds inside of you. You wonder, what’s her problem? Why can’t she just be happy?

    The feminine part of your woman is either opening in loving surrender (easy moments) or closing in what ends up being an emotional test of your capacity to open her (difficult moments). This cycle of the feminine is like all cycles in nature: it never ends. The sooner you learn to embrace and dance with these moods of closure, the sooner both of you will grow beyond the psychodrama and see the humor of the play.

    Instead of tolerating your woman’s moods of closure and complaint, open her moods with your skillful loving. It is your gift to give. Both of you will grow more by your giving than by your tolerating. A superior man sees his woman’s moods not as a curse, but as a challenge and an amusement.

    There are many ways to creatively deal with her moods and help her to open. Tickle her. Take off your clothes and dance the watusi. Sing opera for her. Make animal sounds. Shout at her louder than you ever have and then kiss her passionately. Press your belly into her until she melts. Lift her off the ground and spin her around. Occasionally, talking with her helps, but not as often as humor and physically expressed love.

    If you have tried every creative, humorous, and powerful way of loving through her mood and she still refuses to let go of her closure, then simply relax. You have done everything you can. If you are not skillful enough to serve her, or she is not willing enough to receive your gifts, perhaps you are with the wrong woman.

    Just remember that any woman you are with, if she has a feminine sexual essence, will cycle through moods of closure every day which seem to have no “reason” to them. You cannot avoid this by changing women or waiting for the moods to stop. You can only develop your skill in serving your woman into openness. It never ends though, even if you are passionate, fearless, loving, and humorous with her. The weather continually cycles through rainy and dry spells, night and day cycle in their turn, and your woman will continually cycle through openness and closure, even when her life and relationship with you seem great.

    If you find yourself merely tolerating this feminine mood cycle because you have been frustrated by endless discussions that go nowhere, you can be sure that you and probably your woman are building up resentment toward each other. Don’t tolerate her mood. And don’t talk about it with her. Participate in it. Bloom her into fullness. Move her body with your body. Open her heart with your humor. Penetrate her closure with your fearless presence. Open her heart, again and again and again. She could do it by herself, but if she could grow more by herself than by receiving your gifts, perhaps she shouldn’t be with you.

  27. kfg
    So anyway, the upshot is that I don’t understand a whole lot about the current pocket knife market. There seems to be an awful lot of silly out there that costs a whole lot for no apparent reason.

    Well, hmm. “Costs a lot” for the reason “to sell” most likely, as with a whole lot of stuff in the world. Tangent – every once in a while I venture into an indoor shopping mall, just to see what it’s like in there. There’s a lot of stuff “to sell” but I am not the target market, for sure.

    Thinkin’ a Spyderco Dragonfly. Roughly the same blade length as the primary on the Pocket Pal, which doesn’t scare the pussy class overmuch, while still being a bit “more” knife, and I’ve never had a Spyderco.

    I like Spyderco, they use good steel and still make some good, simple, folders. Although cops nowadays recognize the clip at 10 paces, so in NYC I’d carry deeper down (which makes the knife less useful). The little Delica is small enough to carry in a lot of places, but has enough edge for even a knife-dunce like me to use it. Sad to say I’ve never had to sharpen one, because they keep wandering out of my possession. Lost, borrowed and never returned, “I put it down here where did it go?” at work. Etc. I do have a couple of genuine Swiss objects that are handy in hotel rooms to fix stuff.

    A friend of mine who is much more competent and serious with folding knives than I am carries 2 or 3 folders, not all of the Spyderco. The knife he uses to cut open packages at work, etc. is carried one way. The one that he would use if he had to cut some fridge box in the street right now is carried differently and never used for any more mundane task, so that it is always nice and sharp.

    Ton probably has a more educated opinion on this than I do. He probably is smart enough not to ever loan out knives for a start.

  28. @SJF —

    The weather continually cycles through rainy and dry spells, night and day cycle in their turn, and your woman will continually cycle through openness and closure, even when her life and relationship with you seem great.

    Yes, this is a key to understanding how women are — it is an endless movement, back and forth, for them, interiorly. From my perspective, if you let it go too much into what he describes as the “closure” phase where she feels like she is moving away from you emotionally, she actually *will* move away eventually. I think there are many different ways men can actively engage a woman in whatever stage of emotional movement she is in, while avoiding disengaging or, even worse really, getting swept up into her emotional movement. Engage it from my own perspective of solidity is what I have generally done, and found to be effective — specifics vary by woman and context.

  29. Speaking of knives, I went and dug out my Kimber Classic Stainless Target .45 Auto firearm from the basement.

    And Holy Shit, that is a sweet firearm. The single action trigger is to die for (on the right end of the barrel of course).

    I made sure to lock my truck doors with it in a collection of other accessories for my revolvers in the glove compartment (speedloaders I dug out of the basement). and Ruger .45 Auto magazines.

    I’m going to have to go out and shoot it some more on my farm for practice.

  30. @Novaseeker

    Have you actually read Deida’s “The Way of the Superior Man”?

    It is a total resonation of your words re: women.

    Pua’s can mock it. Men without a good female partner can mock it. Bitter men towards woman can’t possibly get it or accept it.

    They don’t need it if they can’t possibly get what the deal is. You also shouldn’t even bother to subscribe to it without a good woman. Just don’t even try. Because it would be foolish.

    But it is actually a Red Pill Thing. Hung on the hook of the Married Red Pill Reddit Sidebar for a good reason: if you know what you are doing and can handle yourself Game wise, it is an enhancement, not a laughable mockery of disliking women.

  31. @SJF —

    Yes I did read it — back in the latter noughts, I think. I agree with a lot of his ideas, as I did then as well. I think it would be great if there were a re-issue with different wording, but given that it’s almost 20 years old anyway I doubt that will happen.

    And, yes, it goes without saying that a good woman is required. Screening (what Blax describes as reading) is essential. It isn’t a book for how to pick up women in bars and clubs, lol.

  32. “The little Delica is small enough to carry in a lot of places, but has enough edge for even a knife-dunce like me to use it.”

    Yeah, and if I hadn’t already gone years without finding much use for a 3″ folder I probably would have just auto-bought one.

    “Although cops nowadays recognize the clip at 10 paces . . .”

    Never had a folder with a clip and they’re generally the first thing I take off pocket lights. Don’t like ’em, and I’ve never had an envelope escape me while I took the time to reach deep into my pocket for a knife.

    “A friend of mine who is much more competent and serious with folding knives than I am carries 2 or 3 folders . . .”

    I usually don’t have more than one knife on body at any given time (might have a couple more in a bag though), but I’ve usually got at least a few lights, each for a different purpose and each “catalogued” by carry.

    Yesterday I was feeling like I wanted a Zebralight, because you’re supposed to want a Zebralight, and they are cool beans, but after spending an hour or so going over the offerings I couldn’t figure out what I might want one for. I’ve already got as many CR123 lights (unless they start offering my favorite house light in neutral and warm) as I need, don’t really need a fancy AA and find that I mostly use the Fenix PD35 as a desklamp, so I don’t really need an 18650 light either.

    Guess I’m more of a finesse with a scalpel sort of guy than I am a creating raw mayhem with a chainsaw sort of guy.

  33. I have a friend who’s addicted to love…it’s how he gets pussy-whipped. He can’t stay away from a particular woman tho he’s been seeing her for over a month and they have yet to fuck and she’s been with 9+ guys by her admission.

    Don’t get addicted to love. It’s good to love and feel the emotions, but don’t let it control you and know your limits.

  34. @Novaseeker

    “I agree with a lot of his ideas, as I did then as well. I think it would be great if there were a re-issue with different wording, ”

    No shit about the re-wording, but I can do my own punk rewording of a classically red pill text.

    Just like, I think, Blax said: take what you will. But fucking do better for you as a man. Don’t cry about how women are, know your dark side as a man and execute through your problems.

    Women are not a problem. Then are a solution to you being at your best red pill self.

    Yeah, that’s me spewing abstractions (because that’s all I got). No different that Blaximus’s half and half abstraction/concrete or Sentient’s good concrete advice on advancing your directive.

    I could not even countenance that shit in the early noughts. Because of my fog of war with children and my lack of info.

    Totally it was me that needed educationg. I still have issues of bellying up to the beast of my wife(heh, honesty to you guys, but really no big deal), in the light of stormy emotions, but it is a management problem, not a defective woman problem. She has proven to be not defective raising the kids, and putting her two parents into the grave with spectacular skill. (But she was a registered nurse and has egalitarian skills). Life with women is a positive for men. Unless you are doing it wrong and can’t move on or enjoy the one you’re with.

    It is a mindset that sets skill in enjoying the one your with. Or cutting your losses and making sure youj can’t get fucked over in a Stoic limit the downside uber alles way.

  35. I have always felt that emotionalism was a tool women used to control men. Women become emotional, luring men to provide comfort which usually leads to empathy. And due to how humans are wired the man begins to feel the same emotions via empathy mirroring. (It’s like dudes having sympathy contractions when their woman is preggers)

    Now, post red pill terminology lessons, I would evolve this idea as more of an emotional frame grab.

    What I think most humans DON’T realize is that women mostly CRAVE to have a man who is an emotional rock. Sure they “complain” to their girlfriends about a rock being distant. But they sure appreciate the stability when crap hits fan.

    If you read feminist literature like Jane Austen you will see a pattern in her writing. The pattern of using a Beta Catspaw to “train” an Alpha bad boy to be more emotionally approachable. Our modern world is a Beta training ground for Beta men to be the emotional backboard to “smooth rough edges” off of the Alpha men these feminist girls are really pursuing. The Jane Austen protagonist will discover a Bad Boy not like him, court a Beta who is more emotionally available. Then as the Beta gives up all semblance of Masculinity (becomes a hen-friend basically) THEN the Jane Protagonist either sees or invents seeing caring in Alpha and falls into said Alpha’s arms.

    Meanwhile the Beta has had this Feminist character emotionally castrate him. And instead of being with the Jane Protagonist becomes an emotional wreck. A not-Male who has to rediscover his masculinity to carry on.

    Most young men who are on the Beta castration life course I have talked to all have one thing in common. A mother who had a HUGE impact in how the Beta sees male-female dynamics. These mothers don’t have the wisdom to tell their young boys to go out and get away from a Woman’s mood swings. Oh no these poor Beta’s are bathed in Estrogen cycles from early ages.

    It’s mostly good to leave the women to stew in their emotional juices for long stretches of time. We talk about outside interests but in reality if you are Emphatic Mirroring a woman you ARE around her way too much to have a healthy Masculine emotional state.

  36. “The classical liberal values embodied in this culture, that gave rise to the U.S. …” are now leading to its decline, Mainstream Protestant Christianity. The naïve altruism of WEIRD is an anomaly, a mutation of human nature.

  37. SJF
    “Knowing who you are and how you fit in the process is a big part of red pill.” Gold
    Novaseeker
    “Women are always in motion, in flux, moving towards something — emotionally, I mean, which means mentally because women’s mentality (almost all of them) is overwhelmingly experienced emotionally, even for very smart women who are capable of high reasoning. So a woman experiences herself always moving towards you or away from you, in emotional terms, in love terms. Men are not like this — we are more static emotionally and more bifurcated in terms of dividing emotions from day to day mental perception, so men often miss the boat in terms of responding to women’s ongoing state of flux. Over the course of time, this leads to bad results, because it leads to the woman’s motion being away from you. She may not want this, she may be very angry that you are not stopping this, but she cannot stop her own motion and drift, it is what it is. It isn’t, in the case of most women, devious or acting on self-interest. It is following her emotions, as she did when she chose you. What happens is that when men don’t manage that properly (not by giving in to her emotional motion and flux, but by being the counter to it in an active way rather than letting her drift), she eventually moves in a direction that is away from you, and then she acts on hypergamy and the rest of the train happens. Again, it isn’t deviousness or opportunism in most women (there are, of course, some women who are in fact devious and opportunistic) — it’s just how they work psychologically, and a man needs to understand that and work with it, rather than calling them evil for being emotionally wired up that way. Their emotions are always in motion, including their emotional love — that is just how they are. It isn’t moral or immoral, it just *is.*”
    Well this puts the man as the lighthouse the stabilizer.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JfMUt0Kb-1I

  38. adsgamer
    I have a friend who’s addicted to love…it’s how he gets pussy-whipped.

    A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do, and I gotta post this.
    Because reasons.

  39. There is definitely a trend towards elevating our regard for female traits. But I would argue that society rewards male traits to a far greater degree than it does female. The Atlantic had a great article (“The Confidence Gap,” 2014) by some feminists who observed that women are now more successful in education, yet less successful in the workplace. They did _not_ blame this on sexism, but instead pointed to the innate psychological differences between the sexes. Men have confidence and take action, which is needed to be successful in the workplace. Women are great at the thinking and communicating demanded by schoolwork, but men are better at the “doing” that is needed to be successful in the workplace. These feminists argue that women would be best served by acknowledging that the modern workplaces forces them to act in ways that are contrary to their natures. But for us men, this really isn’t a problem.

    Yes, we can all find examples where some guy lost his job because he failed to appease the Gods of political correctness. But in general, men have a huge advantage in modern life. If any man really thinks he is struggling because society ‘programmed’ him to be too sensitive (read: neurotic and depressed), I suggest getting your testosterone levels checked. After doubling my testosterone levels, life suddenly became really easy. And as another commentator suggested, a lot of the cultural stereotypes about testosterone are wrong. I feel like I am more easy-going and less irritable, for example. Don’t believe the negative male stereotypes.

  40. kfg
    I usually don’t have more than one knife on body at any given time (might have a couple more in a bag though),

    You and that guy at the Trump Tower. Oh, well, he’s young, and now has had a learning experience.

    but I’ve usually got at least a few lights, each for a different purpose and each “catalogued” by carry.

    I have worked in buildings without windows. It is remarkable, but people are always amazed how dark it can get in one of those when the electricity goes off. They are also amazed at how emergency lights often don’t work. In the dark, the man with one lashlight is really popular. Sometimes one is none, so two are one.

    Yesterday I was feeling like I wanted a Zebralight, because you’re supposed to want a Zebralight

    I have some Fenix lights because they were on sale once. Pretty good, for cheap Chinese junk that works. Politeness dictates asking if anyone in the room is prone to seizures before showing off the strobe function. So far I have not lost any of them. So far.

  41. It isn’t simply happenstance that social changes occur simultaneously with technological revolutions and changes in economic ecology. How do we know Marxism isn’t simply an expression of Eusociality and the hive mind adapting to change.

    As organic networks expand the characteristics of outer nodes change, they become less self reliant, more dependant and more specialised and at the same time the central nodes become more powerful with ever increasing links.

    It may be that masculinity (which at its core is self reliance, authority and provisioning for others) is adverse to Eusocial expansion. It’s interesting to view old photos of men and observe the masculine dour stoic expressions compared to today’s men. You’ll only see that today in the Amish and third worlders living off the land.

  42. @SJF

    “I don’t believe your story”

    OK, then do me a favor and don’t respond to my posts anymore. You want to call me out on my integrity, go ahead and do your worst. But that is unassailable – I’ve got the balls to disclose shitty things in my life and my personal experiences with pain and betrayal – you do not – so just abstain, if you have the capability and self-discipline.

    You took a cheap shot before, so I’m not surprised. That’s about you, not me…

    But you seem to have some need to lash out against my nihilism. Because there’s something else going on with *you*, obviously, where you become emotional about my ‘nihilistic rants’ without returning fire on my level – without any commensurate personal experience of your own to provide a legit counterpoint that would include anything ‘real’, with any trace of balls or heart whatsoever. Then maybe I’d take you seriously.

    So maybe at some point, you can tell us what that’s actually about.

  43. @AR

    OK, so she’s ‘Ride or Die’ *right now*. That’s equally temporary. And it is a purple pill sentiment – hell, one that I wish were true ‘permanently’ – but it’s not realistic and it’s in stark denial of women’s hypergamous nature.

    I wish Rollo would chime in on this, but I’ve got the feeling that he doesn’t want to publicly express agreement with ‘Joe K the nihilist’ which would be de facto disagreement with the cadre of longer-tenured OMGs here.

  44. It’s interesting that Hyperagamy doesn’t describe an actual emotional state.

    The way I see it is that women have an innate desire of wanting to be wanted. Not the fulfilment of being wanted but the wanting of being wanted. The desire to desire. The more cerebral might actually coin a word to describe it.

    The fulfilment of the desire of being wanted doesn’t remove the desire of wanting to be wanted. Anyone who fully fulfils that desire is no longer the object of wanting to be wanted, as it becomes satiated, and thats when Hyperagamy kicks in or the object of wanting to be wanted changes.

    It’s a constant state that can’t be satiated as its fulfilment will simply cause a change of the object of desire.

    That’s why dread is so important, it never allows that desire to be completely fulfilled.

    A high SMV man is at a natural advantage as he is universally the object of this desire by other women, naturally inculcating dread, unless of course he goes full bore beta like Brad Pitt.

    That’s why orbiters or creeps are roundly condemned as they fulfill that desire as a given.

  45. The more I think about it, the more I am starting to buy into Scott Adams’ “moist robots” theory, which basically says that humans are not primarily rational, fact-driven creatures. The theory asserts that the vast majority of our waking life is not conscious contemplation of reality but is instead an emotional response to present circumstances. For the most part, to the extent we consciously employ reason it is in the service of ex post facto rationalization, not a priori decision-making. This is particularly the case where the current situation is emotionally charged. I can make a rational decision about which title company to choose for my seventh investment property. I can’t make a rational decision as easily about whether to respond to a guy who says the band Rush sucks.

    The difference between men and women is that men naturally are more likely to see emotions as data or feedback instead of being the point of any experience. If I’m angry or sad or bored, I see that as a warning light indicating that something needs my attention. If I’m happy or content, I see that as a signal to keep doing whatever I’ve been doing. I say men “naturally” are more likely to see emotions as data because the social conditioning has been aimed at forcing men to recognize the primacy of the experience rather than the usefulness of the emotion. No one seems to find it necessary to tell women it’s okay to cry or be angry.

    And once men buy into the idea that the emotion is the goal, it’s a short trip down to rank hedonism and “feelz before realz” thinking. But if we’re mostly “moist robots” anyway, how is it possible for anyone to operate otherwise?

    As best I can tell, that was one purpose of traditional masculine transmission. “Real men don’t cry” isn’t meant to teach men to suppress their emotions, it’s there to teach men that the emotion is not the end state. Grieve your father, yes, but don’t stay there and don’t let that be the defining moment of your life. “Real men don’t cry” means “real men use their grief (for example) as fuel for their Great Work.”

    This idea that powerful emotions like anger and grief can be catalysts is, in my understanding, one of the principle tenets of old-timey Stoicism. Bravery and Courage are masculine values because they require both the presence of fear and determined action in spite of that fear. That is, feel something strongly and take an action other than the one the emotion suggests.

    In our current environment, this is also the essence of “fake it ’til you make it.” You might feel like a pathetic loser, but take the actions of a winner anyway. Eventually, the story goes, you will feel more like a winner because the “actions of a winner” produce victories and the actions of a loser produce only defeat.

    Another key component of the masculine processing of emotions is that emotions are not instructions, which is the absolute minimum requirement for any self-improvement. If I only do what I feel like doing, the end state is pizza and masturbation, momentary pleasure over long-term satisfaction.

    I hate hate hate lifting weights. The activity itself is so boring and tedious to me that I will likely never achieve the state where I’m able to go lift simply for the pleasure of lifting. If there was a pill to give me the same results as lifting, I’d take it and never set foot in a gym again. But every time I go to the gym, I gain two victories: first, the very real (albeit time-delayed) benefits of lifting and, second, mastery over the emotions telling me to choose a more interesting activity. The ability to delay gratification is a minimum skill for building anything better than a hand-to-mouth, hand-in-pants life.

    It’s been a hard life lesson for me to unlearn the BP-conditioned primacy of present emotions. I wasted years of my life trying to find my “life’s work” because nothing gave me consistent emotional surges. Apart from the idea of “the one” Disney princess, I think this is the most damaging aspect of the FI conditioning: find your real passion and make that your career, where your “real passion” is the stuff you most like doing all day. The “find your passion” people are not talking about the deep, abiding satisfaction that comes from achieving a desired result after long hours of struggling with unpleasant, boring, hard work.

    I’ve come a long way in undoing much of that conditioning. Yet it remains a struggle for me to do things I don’t like in order to achieve benefits I want. When the benefits are vague and reek of feminine primacy, it’s almost impossible to rouse myself of the couch. When the benefits are clear and make sense to me, it has become possible for me to note which things look most unpleasant, and use that as a guide for what it likely to give me the most bang for my buck. Instead of looking at unpleasant tasks as something to avoid (e.g., go lift stupid weights), I’m learning to condition myself to assume that the more unhappy the task is going to make me in the moment, the happier I’ll be for having completed it.

    Which brings me back to the moist robots theory. I’m still can’t say I’m operating rationally most of the time, but I’ve been able to rewire my circuits a bit so that my emotional response is more likely to spur me into right action instead of wallowing in whatever emotion I’m experiencing (whether a warm bed in the morning or an annoying meeting with the boss). This is where the idea of training makes the most sense to me. There’s a saying about combat that I’m about to mangle: “under fire, you won’t be at your most creative, you’ll default to your training.”

    To me, this is the essence of the masculine teaching about emotions. As men, we are given the limited power to refuse to follow our emotions as well as the power to train ourselves to respond to those emotions in ways that benefit us. It does not happen on it’s own or without a lot of hard work. If a man fails to put in that work, he fails to develop as a man.

  46. What i see in a lot of this is a dusscusion driven by weak frame. Men who aren’t there just yet, perhaps questioning themslevs if they ever will be but on their way to hitting peak frame.

    Girls are just girls. Which includes the genetic predisposition to gaslight, branch swing, shit test etc. Don’t to take their bullshit personally. Even when you have to next a bitch. It ain’t personal it’s just business. Her bidness is to suck your cock, bring you sandwiches etc and to improve the quality of your life. A man’s bidness is his own and none of hers.

    You never know if man or woman is ride or die until it’s truly ride or die. Rites of passage are an attempt to find that out but even then you don’t truly know until they are pushed to the limits of endurance etc. Once you’ve overcome enough bullshit ie frame is strong enough you won’t much give a fuck if they are ride or die because you know damn well you’ll be back on top yourself or go down like a boss.

  47. I see men rallying to support the FI plan that men must live in their emotions…”Are you some kind of robot?” I respond, “No, I have feelings, but I don’t let them rule my life. I USE them to further my mission.”

  48. At the heart of the MGTOW anger against women is the FI assumption that the sexes are equal and the corollary that women should think and act like Blue Pill men do…love idealistically…eschew Hypergamy…be faithful…be rational…etc.

    Because women aren’t like men, MGTOW men FEEL angry about being lied to…BELIEVE that women have cheated them (though it was male feminists who were hip deep in the fraud)…and break rapport by eschewing women (which is a typically masculine response).

    Where MGTOW ideas break down is that they don’t realize that they have a lot more unplugging to do after discovering Hypergamy…they continue to buy into male-female equalism…and letting go of equalism causes a whole lot of crises in their worldview…leading to lots of confusion and uncertainty…you can’t blame women for not acting/thinking like men if men and women truly aren’t equal and men who have just discovered Hypergamy want someone to blame.

    It’s easier to stop the unplugging than to let go of the desire to blame someone else for your problems, which may have been caused by a woman (e.g., frivorce) and your own foolishness (e.g., buying into the Blue Pill).

    Despite the fact that there is an FI fraud being perpetrated on men, there are still plenty of clues in the culture about the Red Pill.

  49. Guys would do themselves a favor by actually reading Rollo and understanding how they have failed themselves, which would then lead them to understand how they failed in a relationship if they are as angry and have lack of getting to the end of the Five Stages of Unplugging.

    True dat. It takes repeated re-readings of TRM to re-wire your brain (well, mine at least). Something in an article in year 3 will wake up a particular neuron, and a supplied link back to a year 1 article will cause a re-read and a slight re-interpretation of the older article, cause a subtle shift in the RP foundation of your brain that better accommodates year 3 material.

    Too many commenters here are taking a sniff at wisps of knowledge and shooting off at tangents…

  50. @Rollo and PUA: in classic Mystery Method, one of the DHVs listed is willignless to display emotions (or something like that, I’m paraphrasing). I always found that a bit strange. Anyone wants to comment and explain it better?

    @theasdgamer: you being autistic, it isn’t surprising you get the “are you a robot” question (or variants). Owen Cook (RSD’s Tyler) is described in the Neil Strauss’ book the Game as a robot when socializing and performing Game. He is a master of Game now, and I think that his impressive level of Game now is because (not despite) him being autistic.

  51. The “find your passion” people are not talking about the deep, abiding satisfaction that comes from achieving a desired result after long hours of struggling with unpleasant, boring, hard work.

    No they are talking about the deep satisfaction that comes from struggling with a range of emotions…

    I have a friend who’s addicted to love…

    This can be used positively…

    What was the artist’s process and how can you benefit from that?

    And there we have it…

    I encourage (again) a viewing of “Life Lessons” the first short in the New York Stories triptych, to see how a man of epic skill uses emotions and women as part of his life’s mission… View it twice… the first time you will probably not get it…

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xm8pv4_life-lessions_creation

    Who is zoomin who here?

    Remember St. Mystery – “willingness to emote” – is one of the 5 Switches…

  52. “Her bidness is to suck your cock, bring you sandwiches etc and to improve the quality of your life. A man’s bidness is his own and none of hers.”

    LOL. Cut-and-paste-and-send to my boy.

    “But all the most grave and dreadful things in the world are the oldest jokes in the world—being married; being hanged.”

  53. Speaking of jokes…

    Q: What’s the most successful pickup line ever?
    A: “Does this smell like chloroform?”

    Thank You! I’ll be here all week! Try the veal!

  54. @IAS

    @theasdgamer: you being autistic, it isn’t surprising you get the “are you a robot” question (or variants).

    I show a lot of emotion…especially laughter. My autism doesn’t inhibit me when it comes to expressing my emotions.

    The question, “Are you a robot”, wasn’t based on me displaying a lack of emotion, but on my statement that I was unwilling to LIVE IN my emotions nor to let them control me.

    Star Trek…the series…shows three men and explored how they dealt with the problem of emotions: Spock suppressed his emotions, McCoy lived in his emotions, and Kirk harnessed them to further his mission.

    McCoy’s emotions actually did help him as a doctor but they hurt him somewhat as a crew member of the Enterprise. Spock had to spend a lot of mental energy suppressing his emotions. Kirk showed the ideal leader whose emotions increased his ability as a leader. Emotions seem to help a man’s creativity. Ditto a tendency towards any other irrational behavior…perhaps explains why so many novelists and artist have alcohol and drug problems. By contrast, strong analytical ability and creativity aren’t both generally found in one man…at least at any given time.

  55. @IAS

    He is a master of Game now, and I think that his impressive level of Game now is because (not despite) him being autistic.

    Probably he doesn’t stim by talking about his obsessions with girls, hah. He understands how his autism CAN benefit his game and how it could HURT his game if he didn’t stifle some autistic tendencies.

  56. ” Even today, western cultures raise emotion to a mythical grandeur. We romanticize and apply great significance to how we feel. We prioritize expressing emotions to being some enlightened state and the repression or control of them as some kind of horrible evil or some form of retardation.”

    As most of you know I work in the field,(the one with burning sun and freezing cold)where you actually must produce a quality product at a competitive price in a timely manner.
    I have been training men in the trades for 35 consecutive years.This has given me the oportunity to experience first hand the decline in emotional maturity for both men and women.

    This emotional immaturity is promoted by the village at large,an permeates all of “modern” society.While I don’t really understand the “meaning” of outcome based education,I can see the problem with participation trophys,and a passing grade for poor performance,both of these seem to be a product of a litigious society coupled with mythical grandeur of emotions and the unbearable rightness of being female.The rites of passage seem to have been eliminated or postponed till the age of 45 for men,and be attached to the ability to effectively emote for women.

    Emotional instability,immaturity is being promoted by the village at large.

    “Emotionalism and the applying of metaphysical meaning to the feminine-correct experience of them has pervaded our social consciousness since the time of the sexual revolution. This elevated importance of emotion has been a part of popular culture for millennia of course, but until the rise of a socially mandated importance of female Hypergamy we haven’t had female emotionalism direct the course of society as it has for over sixty years now”

    This emotionalism is causing a decrease in productivity and quality while at the same time raising the cost of products and services overall.
    It is strange to me when I correct a female employee and her emotions take over her actions,the younger men on the crew follow suite,then productivity slows to a grinding pace as everyone wallows in their feels and I’m the bad guy.Things have gotten to the point that the best employees are 60 plus years old.I can control this environment and do well.

    Poor old Mrs Box works the casino as a lead bartender,under her are cocktail waitress,some kitchen staff and other bartenders,for the most part immature emotionaly motivated people.The complaints are constant,and the men in this environment give credence to the emotions.This looks to me like a death spiral,no way would i put up with this bs day in and day out.

    People Grow The Fuck Up!

  57. @Joe K

    What’s with all the (Joe K Brand) purple pill labeling of stuff? I agree with SfcTon, it is only purple pill if done in a weak Frame. Strong frame re-labels motivations.

    @Joe K posted December 13, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    Just so you know, I’ve posted personal stories a lot before in comments before. Too bad they are scattered back over two years worth of a lot of comments.

    I’m just simply not a fan of nihilism and Rollo’s Brand of Red Pill doesn’t really include its celebration by you in comments. That is not to preclude you from commenting on it. Debate is a good thing:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/12/05/rites-of-passage/comment-page-7/#comment-182744

  58. @Sentient

    I have a friend who’s addicted to love…
    This can be used positively…

    I don’t usually disagree with you, but here I probably will. Being addicted to love means that a man is subject to a woman’s whims. She is his superior and has more power in the relationship. So how can this be used positively?

  59. @SJF

    “What’s with all the (Joe K Brand) purple pill labeling of stuff? I agree with SfcTon, it is only purple pill if done in a weak Frame. Strong frame re-labels motivations.”

    You can re-label anything if you ignore the objective reality.

  60. Joe K
    OK, so she’s ‘Ride or Die’ *right now*. That’s equally temporary.

    It’s not so much temporary in the sense of the timer on a microwave counting down. It is more in the sense of options. I’ve seen women stay with men who were crippled up, and I’ve seen women frivorce men they were totally in love with a few years before. This is part of the burden of performance that Rollo has written about a time or two.

    And it is a purple pill sentiment

    No. It is not. It is a statement that comes right out of reality – that’s where the Red PIll / The Glasses go, to reality. Purple pill is when PUA’s stop talking about plates and start talking about girlfriends, and “have a pre-nup”. That’s mixing the pretty lies of the Blue Pill with the reality of the Red Pill, and voila, it is purple

    – hell, one that I wish were true ‘permanently’

    That’s your Blue PIll peeking out, that’s your inner Beta speaking up, wishing for Twu Wuv, wishing for The One. Sooner or later that side of you has to go.

    – but it’s not realistic and it’s in stark denial of women’s hypergamous nature.

    Dude, “Ride or Die” (right now) is totally realistic because it acknowledge women’s hypergamy.
    It’s your romantic desire for Twu Wuv that is not realistic.

    Go seach on the term “War Brides”, find that article and read it. Oh, heck, I’ll do it myself just so you don’t have an excuse like “Uh, couldn’t find it”.

    https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/03/war-brides/

  61. @Joe K, since apparently this didn’t sink in from about 3 posts ago:

    Once again, from the top, TRP is a praxeology and is amoral. What you decide to do with the truths and awareness it presents to you from that point is up to you. Joe, I get that it’s upsetting for you to have to consider the ramifications of what the Red Pill makes you aware of about the nature of women. However, as I’ve written many times in the past, the influences of our evolved biological and psychological imperatives do not excuse anyone from their personal accountability for the actions they may prompt in us.

    This debate always comes down to personal responsibility vs. biological determinism and it’s usually the case that the guy arguing for personal responsibility believes that humans are ‘more evolved’ and we all have personal agency that places us above our evolved hindbrain imperatives. Thus, anyone (in this case women) behaving according to those base natures is either “evil”, ignoring their agency or not as ‘evolved’ as they believe they are.

    And then the debate moves to how TRP is just enabling bad women (or less evolved women) by justifying their base natures or accepting them for their ‘evil’ Hypergamous selves. The same was said about men when The Selfish Gene was first published – men will use it as biological justification for cheating on their girlfriends.

    You wont find a RP writer in the ‘sphere that’s going to tell you just have to put up with how women “just are”. No one is justifying anything, but what we do is accept that men and women’s base natures are a factor and provide a framework in which to understand behavior.

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/11/06/people-are-people/

    The Devil Biology Made Me Do It

    A large part of the red pill perspective leans on evolutionary psychology. Of course evo-psych isn’t the only factor in red pill awareness, but for the vast majority of Game deniers (people unaware of the origins of their conditions) this poses a problem of convenience. When the revelations of evo-psych agree with our comfortable social models and ego-investments we’re all too happy to embrace the science. But when the science shows us the more uncomfortable truths about evolved human nature, the reaction is to either question the ‘science’ or blame the moral conviction, resolve and character of the person/people expressing that aspect of human nature.

    […]Hypergamy (an evolved species-survival schema) doesn’t care about personal conviction, freewill or definitions of moral behavior, it just is. So in the interests of perpetuating the best interests of one sex (and by extension the entire species) social and cultural norms fluidly evolve around it to accommodate what’s really an uncomfortable aspect of our humanity. Can Hypergamy be controlled? Can men’s sexual impulses be tempered? Of course, but not without the effort of freewill, conviction and social structures. I know of precious few men who’ve blamed their infidelity or sexual impulsivity solely upon their biological makeup. With the exception of the more natural Alphas, more often than not it was a carefully calculated (Game) and coordinated event.

    You may also want to read Awareness and Intent:

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/12/11/awareness-and-intent/

  62. @ AR

    You killing it.

    You keep beating me to the punch in replying to Joe, but your replies are better soooooo… I’ll just read along.

  63. Blaximus

    AR
    You killing it.

    Eh, more likely you’re just happy because I posted Robert Palmer’s best-ever music vid.
    That red lipstick…

  64. Another strange phenomena is the constant vying for male attention in these feminized men or boys or whatever,this is what girls do,not boys.It comes of as a constant form of oneupsmanship,faux competitiveness where nothing gets accomplished besides putting each other down like bitches.
    If you want to compete like a man come up with some actual meat and potatoes!

  65. ASD

    I don’t usually disagree with you, but here I probably will. Being addicted to love means that a man is subject to a woman’s whims. She is his superior and has more power in the relationship. So how can this be used positively?

    “Love” is just a feeling derived from chemical reactions… addiction to love is addiction to the feelings the reaction produces. This can be entirely separate from the “person” who is involved in you getting those feelings, they are just a conduit. Such as in sex addiction. The high is not the “person” who is involved in your getting teh sex… the high is the roller coaster of feelings/chemicals…

    Now what you are probably getting at, and what your friend is doing is deriving their self worth and validation from the “person” on the other side of the reaction. This is different.

    Have a crack at Life Lessons above if you want to watch this dynamic in action… and in a positive use light… The Lion needs the emotional thrill of “loving” and “losing” to foster his creativity… His ultimate goal is creativity… the many women involved along the way are merely means to and end in that process.

    This is much more so the dynamic a woman ‘feels” when she is talking about male/female love. Some guys thrive on “drama” (what’s up Wala!).

  66. @ZW: “. . . I am starting to buy into Scott Adams’ “moist robots” theory . . .”

    Sometimes I am nothing more than a “meat motor.”

    @AR: “Dalrock reads a 20th century author named C.S. Lewis . . .”

    Doesn’t everybody?

  67. @Sentient

    “Love” is just a feeling derived from chemical reactions

    …more like chemicals are involved and affecting neurons, but I’m getting chemspergy, hah

    …and I see one aspect of love as being “of the will”…that aspect is based on character, ethics, etc.

    …yet another aspect of love is habit and 1000000000 points of data from a life lived together…a wife can “feel” like your right arm…losing her would feel like having your arm ripped off…which explains why some widowers take a wife’s death so hard and “give up” taking care of themselves

    …let’s return to the chemicals…oxytocin is an opioid…so addiction to it puts a man in the position of user and the woman provides the opioid, so she is the pusher…most men fall into this dynamic…it has nothing to do with validation and everything to do with physical dependency

    …I get what you’re saying about women providing a creative man with irrational emotions can foster a man’s creativity, but telling this to love-addicts is like giving heroin addicts a syringe

    …if a man is in charge of his emotions, he MAY be able to use love, but I suspect that most men lack the Won’t Power ™ that it takes to prevent their minds from obsessing about a particular woman

  68. @kfg

    @AR: “Dalrock reads a 20th century author named C.S. Lewis . . .”
    Doesn’t everybody?

    @YaReally, they don’t…they just read the synopsis on teh w3bz

  69. “This emotionalism is causing a decrease in productivity and quality while at the same time raising the cost of products and services overall.”

    “Things have gotten to the point that the best employees are 60 plus years old.”

    My dad was a country boy. Moved to ‘burbs. Fixed everything himself, and figured it out if he hadn’t done it before. Dug basements by hand, built chimneys, started a general contracting business…with the little experience he gained in life. Jesus, I partially understand his level of can-do spirit. His quality was questionable. Code? Never heard of it. He just did it.

    He was stressed…but I don’t remember him talking about it, but I was fucking scared of him when he got mad…unadulterated fury.

    Anyways, we’re now so specialized. This “Angie’s list” personal outsourcing is pervasive, and appeals to the Beta, consumerist, incompetent mindset. The commercials are cringe-worthy. Pulling wire? Hire out. Build closets? Hire out. Water heater fails? Hire out. Dig a trench? Forgettaboutit. Cat6 vs. Cat5…can’t I do this wi-fi, Bluetooth?

    The loss of rural population and attendant values denudes our social capital.

    I’m kinda panicky that my boys might just not care enough about mechanical basics. I bag on em a lot about using initiative, their common sense and just try to do it themselves…but not get too deep. Questions? Fine…don’t ask me to do the cut for you. I’d rather have them mess up on their own than me do it. Watch one, do one, teach one.

    Their friends are scared coming by as I’ll bust them as they’ve never heard before. I can’t raise everyone’s kids, but in my house…a little RP won’t hurt ’em.

    It’s one reason I’m satisfied…unleashing competent men.

    Especially after I read this:

    ““They don’t know how to handle a tool properly,” he says quietly. “They’re bright kids, but they hold a hammer at the top instead of the bottom, so it takes four swings instead of one to get a nail in. They don’t know how to read the short lines on a tape measure and they’ve never used power tools, which makes you really cautious.” He says they can’t seem to detect the patterns of the work—you rip up part of the roof, that gets thrown down, that goes into the garbage—so they just stand around. “It can get really frustrating.”

    Link: http://www.macleans.ca/society/life/why-your-teenager-cant-use-a-hammer/

    Thanks stuffinthebox

  70. EhIntellect

    “I’m kinda panicky that my boys might just not care enough about mechanical basics. I bag on em a lot about using initiative, their common sense and just try to do it themselves…but not get too deep. Questions? Fine…don’t ask me to do the cut for you. I’d rather have them mess up on their own than me do it. Watch one, do one, teach one.”

    Sounds like you are doing a great job,one thing my sons had to learn was patience,taking the time to do things right,building skill slowly then the speed comes after.

    No hammers through the windshield,because of a little thing like a stripped bolt= emotional maturity.

  71. ASD

    so addiction to it puts a man in the position of user and the woman provides the opioid, so she is the pusher

    Oxytocin is but one chemical, the cocktail many… To an addict, action is action, and the dragon chased regardless of who ‘she” is… Often is spite of an incumbent “she”…

    Another glimpse – Shame

  72. @Zhu Wuneng,

    “I hate hate hate lifting weights.”

    ‘Lifting weights’ could mean a lot of different things. I’m guessing that maybe you’re in that corner of the gym with a lot of the frat-guy routines; a lot of isolation on the biceps, pecs, delts etc. Then hundreds of reps, all annoying and borderline painful with that ‘feel the burn’ type of mentality. That kind of lifting will burn most guys out.

    Am I right? What are you doing in there? I LOVE weightlifting yet if I had to return to all the annoying bro-lifts like lat raises, concentration curls, tricep pushdowns or loathsome burpies or all that assorted bullshit that trainers are coming up with, I would hate it too. What are you doing? I bet I can fix it. By ‘I’ I guess I really mean Mark Rippetoe or Bill Starr, the gurus of simple, low rep barbell work.

  73. “so addiction to it puts a man in the position of user and the woman provides the opioid, so she is the pusher”

    So find a neighborhood with hundreds of pushers then.

  74. @kaminsky

    So find a neighborhood with hundreds of pushers then.

    The addiction is actually to a particular woman’s FACE…when a man sees the FACE, he gets a dose of opioid…other faces don’t provide the opioid…Oneitis and oxytocin are linked

  75. @kaminsky @Sentient

    The problem is that oxytocin-based feelings are involved…adding another drug isn’t going to eliminate the addiction to a PARTICULAR face

    …adding more women will help with habit-based drugs, but not with drugs mediated by looking at one face

    …put another way, if you bang a hot girl, desire is generated, but you have to avoid seeing her too often or you get hooked…so you bang other girls…

    …what you are suggesting are tactics to AVOID getting hooked, but they won’t help once an addiction exists

  76. “One lie of the Feminine Imperative is that men are encouraged to believe that “they aren’t men if they don’t repress their emotions” by some nebulous misogynist social conditioning. The exact opposite is what’s true; boys are conditioned at every opportunity to cry and express feminine approved emotionalism at any opportunity.”

    The goal is to get men to cry and beg like whiny bitches instead of being dominate, resolute and resorting to anger when necessary. Naturally men are more forceful and brooding where women are more passive and hysterical. The current social gender process attempts to demolish and dispose mans natural tendency then replace it with woman’s. To be acceptable to society he must be a renovated man, remodeled with feminine appointments. Figuratively, he must be castrated and emasculated before he can be outfitted with a vagina. Some prefer to attempt this realistically. The culture has reflected this phenomena for a long time with honest colloquial terms such as milquetoast, sissy, pansy, pussy, and mangina. Each of those terms became politically incorrect with use over time and sequentially replaced with the next. Mangina is the latest and will be banned soon enough. The ongoing impulse to create linguistic terms describing the phenomena confirms the truth of it. The reason for making them politically incorrect is not that they are evil words or that “bad” people say them, but because they expose the truth being distorted. I suggest a new term that may begin to clear up the issue… Gender Confused.

  77. “This debate always comes down to personal responsibility vs. biological determinism and it’s usually the case that the guy arguing for personal responsibility believes that humans are ‘more evolved’ and we all have personal agency that places us above our evolved hindbrain imperatives. Thus, anyone (in this case women) behaving according to those base natures is either “evil”, ignoring their agency or not as ‘evolved’ as they believe they are.”

    So, use and work with what you have and what really exists rather than pretending things are different than they really are and getting mad when reality threatens the pretense. Accept that you have been lied to, that you believed in the unreal. Let go of the fantasy, see what is real and work with it to your advantage instead of clinging to hope that is hopeless.

  78. My comment seems to have gone missing, so here goes again:

    I agree with the essay regarding the deference we give to the female over the male experience of emotion. But what is missing here is that society rewards male traits to a far greater degree than female traits. Most feminists will never recognize this, of course, because it means that men have a position of superiority that is not attributable to sexism. But see “The Confidence Gap” (The Atlantic, 2014) for an example of feminists who believe that men have a natural (biological) advantage in the workplace. As they observe, women are generally superior at educational accomplishment, which rewards passive thinking and communicating. But men are better at *doing* and generally have the confidence necessary to make it in the workplace.

    And if you don’t think that you have a huge advantage — try living with low testosterone. When I had low testosterone I was moody, always stuck in my head, and struggled with the simplest of tasks. For guys who read this red pill stuff and find that it is not a simple thing to switch on their alpha selves — get your testosterone tested! I had low testosterone since puberty and getting that corrected was like flipping a switch.. If you think you might be low, inform yourself at one of the internet forums devoted to TRT (most doctors know little about this and low testosterone is generally under-treated).

    Yes, society does try to put men on a leash. PC group-think about sensitivity is part of that. But that does not change the fact that society still rewards (and depends on) male traits to a far greater degree than female (which is why women “want-in” to the male world of work, while men have seldom complained about being denied access to the female world of domesticity).

    If you are a man with solid testosterone levels, you have a huge natural advantage at life. Don’t let feminists or red pill gurus convince you otherwise.

  79. Boxcar
    Domestic work doesn’t present enough of a challenge for most men and is done quickly.A bachelor tends to have an imaculate home compared to a single woman,and this is done in a short time.

    Women fall short in education in math skills and reasoning.They know for the most part how to get men to do the dirty work,and don’t want anything to do with this part of male space.

    Glad you got your T fixed.

  80. “society rewards male traits to a far greater degree than female traits.”

    In a competitive setting, yea…men being the competitive sex will out-perform the co-operative sex, women.

    And society writes about heroes, doing heroic things. Heroics being the realm of men. So if fame and fortune are the rewards you are referring to…yea men have the advantage.

    But society didn’t always tell women that they should strive for, or are even capable, of these things. But now every new Disney Pixar movie is about some young girl breaking the social expectations and being Brave.

  81. kfg
    I usually don’t have more than one knife on body at any given time (might have a couple more in a bag though)

    Obligatory movie clip I forgot to post last night:

  82. Sentient

    “I didn’t mean to turn you on” is a girl’s song, it was written for Cherelle.

    This is what it’s supposed to sound like. Maybe the break-dancing Kong is too 80’s, true.

  83. “I didn’t mean to turn you on” is a girl’s song, it was written for Cherelle.

    Yes- it was, and Palmer turned it around… It’s Not Them. It’s You, and all.

  84. My holiday wish is, for those who haven’t, to be chased, really chased, by an attractive woman… and at least once, just break up with an attractive woman for no real reason…

    May you have a blessed holiday.

  85. @AR:

    That’s not a knife, that’s a Spartan sword. But my ancestors were Franks and if I need a blade that big I just grab an axe. Fuck that “scalpel” shit.

  86. “Nihilism provides a temporary sometimes necessary sabbatical.”

    Keep in mind that a sabbatical is generally regarded as a reward of time off after a good showing of performance. (Like the one YaReally is taking.)

    Not merely a mud pit one wallows in after digging himself into after digging in the wrong places.

    Meanwhile, shit testing like the push back on Joe and Andy is generally not done here for mere sport (like perhaps I admit to with YaReally). It is meant to prod guys like those two to find a nother lane to cruise in out of the nihilistic mud pit. To help them find another path of enlightenment in the infinite space of variations that makes up reality. I wish them good luck and positivity in that quest (Heh, a shout out to Tony Robbins– PoPT!)

    Sabatticals are also by definition temporary. Not just eat,pray, love alternate descents further into the mud hole.

  87. ““They don’t know how to handle a tool properly,” he says quietly. “They’re bright kids, but they hold a hammer at the top instead of the bottom, so it takes four swings instead of one to get a nail in. They don’t know how to read the short lines on a tape measure and they’ve never used power tools, which makes you really cautious.” He says they can’t seem to detect the patterns of the work—you rip up part of the roof, that gets thrown down, that goes into the garbage—so they just stand around. “It can get really frustrating.”

    Yep,

    Thus my kids get the run of the workshop whenever they want. At six I had both of them using band saws etc. We often have weekend “quick and dirty” builds at the work bench, just a flurry of knives, saws, wood, metal, glue guns, drivers etc to blast out some fun fast construction. Son is very into it and daughter is really into when she is and totally not when she is not.

    Son happily carries a multi-tool in his belt if we’re in a location with air in the sky and a knife, and a holstered air soft pistol.

    I also bought them a fire pit so they can burn shit in the back yard safely, sort of. Without burning down my house. They have rules, they follow them, it’s a good deal. Even 11 year old daughter has her own soft case pink fold up tool kit in her own room, screw drivers, wrenches, light hammer etc. she can hang her own pictures.

    Modern urban dweller, even if you farm out the work, if you don’t have some vague sense of what needs to be repaired, how do you keep from getting fucked over by the service provider?

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