In the interests of full disclosure, I’ll admit I’ve had this post in my drafts folder for some time now. As always, standard caveats apply with regard to my policy on posts about religion, politics, and socioeconomics. I don’t delve into the particulars of these subjects, but I will dissect how they coincide with intersexual dynamics.
It’s no secret that I’ve been a regular follower of Dalrock’s blog for over five years now. Along with Dal I also consider Donalgraeme and a few other bloggers in the ‘Christo-Manosphere’ Red Pill colleagues if not friends. I’ve always held Dalrock as a sort of Red Pill brother since both our blogs came up around the same time. I’ve quoted and credited him in both my books.
I do so because there was a time I considered pursuing a path in my writing that would follow the same Red Pill critique of religion, (Christianity for Dal) at least in some occasional sense. After reading Dalrock’s very insightful early posts I decided against it. Dal has earned the respect of the manosphere for his Red Pill lens of contemporary Christianity for good reason – he’s a consummate statistician and researcher, and he’s what I’d call “embedded” well within modern (I presume mostly evangelical) church culture. He does it better than I could hope to do that part of the manosphere justice.
I never go into any detail about my own faith for a couple of reasons, the first being it’s only peripherally relevant in my writing. Secondly, it’s always been my position that the Red Pill needs to remain fundamentally areligious and apolitical. That said, I am familiar enough with ‘Churchian’ culture and the psycho-social side of mainstream religion to understand it through my own Red Pill lens.
When I analyze Red Pill principles within social contexts I always have a hard time with religion. It grates on me because I’m of the opinion that one’s religious leanings, one’s interaction with existence and life, one’s consideration of the spiritual, ought to be something personal and private if it’s in anyway genuine. As such, and for some, it can be a source of real vulnerability and exploitation which is really nothing new to anyone. It’s one thing to be even agnostic and trapped in a Blue Pill world, but it’s quite another to have been raised to adulthood in a religious context and coming to terms with having some very deep ego-investments shattered by a new Red Pill awareness.
If you ask anyone steeped in the Blue Pill conditioning of the Feminine Imperative about how this exploitation operates in an intersexual context you’ll likely get the standard answer that religion is largely a “social construct designed to maintain the Patriarchy.” And I have no doubt that in a Judeo-Christian sense this was likely the case for millennia. I won’t dig into how much of this had the latent purpose of controlling for Hypergamy in this post, but in the generations since the sexual revolution and the rise of feminine social primacy this maintaining the Patriarchy is a failing distraction on the part of the Feminine Imperative.
Creating Religion in the Image of the Feminine Imperative
For the past five generations, there has been a concerted re-engineering of religion (and not just limited to Christianity) to better suit the ends of the Feminine Imperative. Just as men are sold the idealism of the old set of books while living within the social context that confounds them, religion has been coopted by the feminine. The old books religion has either been replaced wholesale by a feminine-interpreted, feminine-directed religion that places women as its highest authority, or it’s been restructured and rewritten to serve the same feminine-primary objectives.
For going on six years now, Dalrock has masterfully documented and rightly criticized these shifts in Christianity. Although I’m focusing on western Christiainty here, this re-engineering of modern religion is not limited to just Christianity. A Red Pill perspective reveals a lot of uncomfortable truths, one of these is how well the Feminine Imperative has succeeded in supplanting any and all masculine influence in religion.
I expect there will be female critics who’ll cite that, in most of church culture, it’s still predominantly men who control churches and religious organizations, but in the era of feminine social primacy, it’s not who executes the control, but whose beliefs control the executors. Pair this with the commodification of religion and we can see the spheres of true feminine control and feminine-primary purpose.
After almost six years of following the religious aspects of the Red Pill, I think it’s high time men acknowledge that modern Christian culture simply does not have men’s best interests as part of its doctrine anymore. Christianity, in particular, is by women, for women – if not directly executed by women, though even that is changing.
Church culture is now openly hostile towards any expression of conventional masculinity that doesn’t directly benefit women and actively conditions men to be serviceable, gender-loathing Betas. The feminist narrative of “toxic masculinity” has entirely replaced any semblance of what traditional masculinity or manhood once was to the church. Any hint of a masculinity not entirely beholden to a now feminine-primary purpose is not only feared, but shamed with feminine-interpreted aspersions of faith.
I recently read a study that our current generation is the least religious in history and I think as far as men are concerned much of that disdain for religion is attributable to a church culture that constantly and openly ridicules and debases any male-specific endeavors or anything characteristic of conventional masculinity. It’s no secret in today’s church franchisement that reaching out to, and retaining the interests of, men is at its most difficult.
Again, this is attributable to a generation of feminized men being raised into a church culture, and eventual church leadership, that has been taught to prioritize and identify with the feminine and reinforced with articles of faith now defined by the Feminine Imperative. The modern church has trouble reaching men because the church no longer has a grasp of what it means to be ‘men’.
To be clear, that’s not an indictment of the genuine faith itself, but rather a fairly measured observation of the way a feminine-primary church culture has shaped that faith. In the future, any man with a marginal capacity for critical thought will avoid the contemporary Christian church and religion for the obvious misandry it espouses; the only religious men you will find will be those raised into a life of religiously motivated Beta servitude – or those dragged to the feminine-directed church by wives who hold authoritative ‘headship’ in their relationships.
And even in what some consider to be pro-masculine or “macho” churches, we still find the Paper Alpha leaders preach from a mindset that defers wholesale to the feminine’s “Godly perfection” as they attempt to AMOG other male member to greater devotion to qualifying for, and identifying with, the feminine influence that pervades their church.
Religious men will be synonymous with a Beta mindset.
It’s gotten to a point where it’s better to look after your self-interests and repent of the sin later than commit to an institution that openly seeks to indenture you. I realize that might be anathema to the more determined religious man, but just understand that this is the pragmatic, deductive future that the contemporary, western-feminized church is presenting to men. The social contract of marriage from a religious perspective has shifted into the ultimate leap of faith for men. They literally risk everything in marriage – child custody, sexual access, any expectation of true, male authority or respect, long-term financial prospects, etc. – but this leap of faith comes with a metaphysical price tag.
Men declining to participate in faith-based marriage decline an aspect of a faith reset to serve women; women who are held as a higher order of sinless being than men by this new church. For the agnostic or areligious man, discarding a Blue Pill social conditioning for a Red Pill awareness is a difficult task, but for men raised to believe that their only doctrinally approved path to sex with a woman is abstinence until marriage, that man’s only hope is to accept his fate and stay the Beta a feminized church has conditioned him to be.
And once he gets to marriage and his approved expression of his sexuality, the “Christian” man finds that the feminized church, even the male elders, expect endless qualifications to women and his wife’s unceasing appeasement in exchange for that approved sex. It’s a tail-chasing that holds men to the old books social order expectations while absolving women of all accountability and expecting him to also make concessions for a new (feminized) social order that’s ensaturated the church.
SeventiesJason from Dalrock’s blog:
And then we have “Christian marriage” divorce rates which are only a few paltry percentage points lower than the secular world……..men like Chandler will blame “men” for not leading, not being ‘holy’ enough, not bold n’ biblical enough, not going to bed exhausted every night….and a pile of other excuses for why she “had no choice” but to end the marriage.
We have a whole cottage industry of ‘christian counseling’ and self-help books, usually written for and by women. We have conferences, TV channels, broadcast networks, podcasts, radio stations, outreach, plenty of churches in this country……..the Internet. A ton of resources. Books……every pastor great and small today is “working on” or has written a book.
How on earth did the early church survive under the penalty of death? Persecution. Seclusion, and outright shunning? How did it grow? How did it survive?
We are told over and over by pastors that “God has an amazing plan for your life!” and then to sell men in the world this ‘churchian’ ploy that you are somehow not as holy, balanced, ready, equipped, or mature to handle this amazing plan….ah, but your wife to be is! The unspoken consolation prize is “but…..hey, you get to have sex….and that’s the only thing men need or think about and want!”
That seems to be given begrudgingly today (in my men’s group…..goodness, so many of the married guys complain that their wives never want sex)
How did the early church turn the world upside down? All God did was send a few men, and they made it happen. We have so many tools today…..and we’re “helpless” and we tend to think a “building program” will help everything and if we let the men fix things on the property they will feel “useful”
For over five generations now, the modern church has become a Beta farm existing only to produce the same masculinity-confused men that the secular world has perfected today. In our idealism I think too many (even well-meaning Red Pill) men believe that the church is some insulation against the worst of the Feminine Imperative when it is in fact an institution that produces the same men we hope to free from the Matrix.
Dean Abbot had an excellent post about this dynamic in his critique of another post by Mark Braivo:
In spite of what you might hear in the media about how terrible and retrograde evangelicals are, the entire movement, even the “conservative” end is thoroughly feminized.
The central Christian teaching that ALL people are sinners gets glossed over. Instead, the notion that men are somehow worse by nature than women is everywhere, sometimes stated overtly, often in the subtext.
At the same time, women are elevated to a position of moral and spiritual superiority. Women’s sin is often excused in light of a man’s failings. I remember hearing a very well known evangelical leader tell a story about how his wife freaked out and started smashing all their dishes. What was his point? That she did this because he had been neglecting her. See, she is not an adult beholden to practice self-control, but rather an innocent, sweet victim driven to outlandish behavior by his shortcomings.
“Toxic masculinity”, any masculinity inconvenient to a feminine-correct purpose, is a sin both actively and retroactively in today’s church.
With every successive generation of Beta pastors that are produced by this farm you get more and more men whose only experience of that religion is one of servile deference to a faith that’s been fundamentally altered to the utility of women and feminine-primacy. Women love to complain that it’s largely men who do the preaching and decision making in church, but what they ignore is that these men are the developed implements of the Feminine Imperative.
I will wager that in the next 10 years Christianity will be unrecognizable from its prior tenets of well defined conventional masculinity and the faith itself will expressly be centered on deference to the feminine.
Culture Informs Faith
I’ve had several critics tell me that the problem with the modern church is really one of its culture and should be considered apart from the ‘genuine’ faith, however it is church culture that ultimately informs and restructures doctrine and articles of faith. When that culture is informed by the Feminine Imperative, open Christian feminists, and a feminine influence posing as doctrinally sound egalitarianism, this fundamentally recreates an old order religion in the image of a new order, female-primary, imperative.
This and endless variations of the feminization of religion across every denomination and sect is why contemporary religion is openly hostile to any semblance of conventional masculinity. Church is no place for a single man and is just a formality for the man married to a religious woman at this point in time. All considerations of faith aside, I cannot fathom an adult man with any self-respect finding anything attractive about the modern church. Either there is nothing for him there or he is despised and denigrated, openly in a faith altering way or discreetly in resentment, or in pandering ridicule of his juvenilized maleness.
I don’t type this without a sincere sense of what’s been lost, particularly for men genuinely seeking existential answers for himself. My observations here will undoubtedly be thought of as some attack on a genuine faith, but my issue here isn’t with religion per se, but rather the thoroughness with which the Feminine Imperative has either subverted wholesale or covertly influenced really all modern religion.
Yes, I realize that faith is something personal that should be set apart from churchy social influence, but the culture is a manifestation of the doctrine and collective belief system. That culture ultimately modifies and informs the faith itself, thus with every successive generation that social influence becomes an article of the faith for the next.
Better to laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, especially when the ‘saints’ are the priestesses of the Feminine Imperative.
The Red Pill lens in today’s church is a scary prospect.
Another commenter, The Question, had a good comment about this:
You’re absolutely right about the state of the Church in the West.
What makes it so dangerous for a Blue Pill man is that it is ground-zero for girls entering the epiphany phase. The single men who remain in the church are the ones will be pressured to fulfill their role in that strategy and will be treated with hostility if they don’t. I personally anticipate a renewed church “man up” campaign somewhere in the near future as the next wave of twenty-somethings near 30 and beyond.
I’d say the only reason to go is to meet cute single young women and that’s if the church actually has them and its theology isn’t wholly intolerable. College town churches like mine have quite a few young single ladies which is why I go.
I will admit, putting aside conscience and morality, the modern (‘Relevant’) church would be a veritable untapped gold mine for a PUA savvy of christian culture. Churchianity’s already got the perfect social architecture installed for pick up. Christian women aching for sexy Alpha dominance in a sea of preconditioned christian Beta “good guys”, high intrasexual competition anxiety for both sexes, instant reconciliation and sin forgiveness for women, hell, you can even talk a woman into an abortion without her having any accountability for killing her child at this point. What’s not for a PUA to like? Feminine-primary churchianity has been waiting for christian-savvy players for years now.
Men with a well defined Red Pill lens, having the sensitivity to understand the subcommunications of what’s going on around them in church, should be rightly horrified.
This is one reason Men like Dalrock are vilified by Christian women who understand he’s wise to what’s transpiring in the church – the Feminine Imperative has taken the Lord’s name in vain by presuming to promote its agenda and socially engineer generations of men to support it by claiming it’s God’s will.
Read the Fempowerment narratives of any ‘Christian women’s ministry speaker’, they will defend the sisterhood above any tenets of faith. They’ll tolerate blasphemy of the faith, but never the Feminine Imperative. They’ll rationalize abortion as a man’s sin, but never accept accountability for it and any man to attempt to rebuke them (for anything really) is counter-shamed for male chauvinist judgementalism. And being judgemental of any woman is the most mortal of sins a man can make in the new church
In the feminine-primary church, the Holy Spirit is the Feminine Imperative, what she says is an article of faith. Men who become aware of this via the Red Pill are a danger to it.
@SJF: “If YaReally read his book, he would be vindicated in his assertion that there is no hope. No hope at all and we need to figure this shit out for young guys.”
I’m afraid that Jack Donovan has the right of it. The only thing left is to hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. The old world is dead. Time to start the world.
“I think what I’ve been trying to do here and other blogs is respond to specific misapprehensions about true Christianity and errors about what’s in the Bible.”
Oddly enough, me too.
And that’s what we love about Rollo, that he allows us to go off on our tangents a bit as long as it has something to do with the topic at hand.
2 weeks ago I searched “meditation how to” on YouTube and from a video by RSDTyler I ended up here.
I’ve just finished reading best of year 1. YOUR BLOG IS THE SHIT.
@YaReally,Scray, Walawala (anyone who comments about Game)
What would you suggest someone who just found out about Game read/watch to get a theoretical base before start gaming? I have in front of me ~3 weeks that although I can’t game due to location, I have a lot of free time.
E.O. Wilson; On Human Nature.
@andy yeah i would go for a 5. I’m PoS enough that while looks matter quite a bit, really clicking with a girl counts for about as much. So the asian 5 at the mall that was really giggly, feminine, and not shy (unlike most asians) I was about as into as the black 8 lol. Same with the asian 5 at the bar. So its just a matter of finding a 5 that I like that doesn’t flake (asian 5 at bar had to go back home out of state the next morning, asian 5 at mall I did… Read more »
@ YaReally I’ve thrown that right back at her before, and she claimed that if I told her I didn’t want her watching something, or didn’t want her talking to some guy anymore, she’d drop it immediately, no questions asked. She also claims porn has always been an issue for her, and talked about one of her exes that stopped having sex with her completely and just resorted exclusively to porn, which went beyond hardcore into tranny/bisexual territory, like apparently she walked in on him jerking off to a video of some dude jerking off and it just freaked her… Read more »
Why would anyone who trusts a scam proclaiming to end mortality also trust the same scam to direct his sexuality?
For one thing, silly, sexual rules are not limited to any particular religion. In fact, even atheists usually accept some sort of limitations on what they consider to be reasonable sexual activity and what is not acceptable for civilized people. So you’ve uttered something of a non-sequitur. The validity of a religion has little if anything to do with the reasonableness of rules about sex. But, do spin again, better luck next time.
@ NBTM When I saw Christianity’s “eternal life” stuff as metaphorical, like how in Zen they make the case for life and death being imaginary concepts (e.g. in the koan, “What was your original face, before your mother and father were born?”)…. …that was pretty much it for me. And obviously life and death are “real,” but it was mostly making the case for “eternal life” being the present moment, and the past and future only exist in our minds. “The kingdom of heaven is within you”…..that was when I realized it was all metaphorical and basically in-keeping with other… Read more »
How do you account for someone who considers himself an agnostic at age 7 then decides he’s a Christian believer at age 21? Just askin’.
If neuroplasticity exists then AWALT cannot be true.
I used to be active in my church. I was a chairman of a pro-life group that raised funds to help house pregnant and homeless women. The rest of the group were comprised of women, a good bunch. I’d be allowed to do an annual fund raising talk to the congregation, as this had been established practice. However it became obvious that the priests (all beta males, Catholic church) were hostile to the idea on account thay women might be upset. The irony is the Catholic Church is criticised for having no female ordination but they otherwise riule it now… Read more »
“If neuroplasticity exists then AWALT cannot be true.”
If plasticity exists then you can make a Boeing 747 out of Silly Putty.
@rollo here’s my solution that i’ve used in my life for the past 30years: practice your faith privately, find a place to obtain communion, and have very limited contact with any organized religion. your faith is a solo walk with God, your relationship with your creator and while you may learn from and external influences for other sources, this is your walk with destiny as you define an direct it, as influenced by your beliefs and God. In a very real sense, it integrates well with the alpha male being the master of his destiny. somewhere along the line, organized… Read more »
” . . . find a place to obtain communion . . .”
You do not need a priest to make bread and wine holy. It is your relationship to the Logos that does that.
@NewbieOnPoint Congratulations on finding TRM and these comments. It’s a fantastic community to learn game and get feedback on field reports from world Class Guys. If you’ve not read it you must read the original The Game book my Neil Strauss – obsolete but a foundational text about PUA and very well written too. Then fins Yareallys post in the YaReally Archive where he lists his basic recommended resources for newbies – reading and video both and go through that. You’ll easily get through all of That in 3 weeks. Then it is most important to get out in the… Read more »
“If neuroplasticity exists then AWALT cannot be true.” The basis of Marc Lewis’ book (with the subtitle Addiction is Not a Disease) is that AWALT because they get stuck in normal biological rhythms. This is also the basis for what Rollo describes in watching behavior not listening to intent of an operator. The human brain usually seeks what it is programmed to seek. It is normal operating procedure. But it also has the capability of neuroplasticity (workarounds). This capability is best put to use with awareness and a desire to get out of your fucking rut. AWALTs don’t usually exhibit… Read more »
“AWALTs don’t usually exhibit this awareness or desire. That is why they are like that.”
And even Silly Putty, if you stretch it too fast, or too far, breaks.
” . . . normal biological rhythms.”
Are not arbitrary. Being “stuck” in them is, generally speaking, a Good Thing.
@NewbieOnPoint The manosphere proper has a lot of niches. Perhaps if you describe your age, situation and station in life and your short term goals (the next four or five years) you might be steered more properly. I also would cosign The Game by Neil Strauss because it was entertaining and was a wild tale told by a good writer. (I actually can’t remember anything in it, though, because I read it like 13 years ago). Your mind will also be blown by: The Way of Men by Jack Donovan ($5.99 on Amazon Kindle) Practical Female Psychology by Joseph W.… Read more »
Stop changing the subject like a woman or stop being enigmatic (whichever you are doing).
Softek has always been in a rut, is in a rut, and always will be in a rut unless he gets up off his
assneuro-plastic brain, gets some spine and moves forward.
“Softek has always been in a rut, is in a rut . . . ”
I concur. However, I was not responding to Softek, I was responding to the woman.
Ok, then, you are being erudite and
“How do you account for someone who considers himself an agnostic at age 7 then decides he’s a Christian believer at age 21? ”
There is always a place in the human mind for ignorance and a place in the human heart for zeal.
Is everyone on the same page here?
We do realize Rollo is discussing the usurping of the Church by the Feminine Imperative right?
It’s not actually a discussion about religions or their validity per se. Right?
I forget what you wrote exactly, but it was something about religious indoctrination being effective at a very young age. So I asked how you might explain someone who rejected the indoctrination at a young age and then changed his mind somewhat when he got older. I say somewhat because in my case I was an agnostic from the 2nd grade going to Catholic school and then when I was in college at age 21 I became what I found out was a Protestant. I know, the reverse of how it usually works, but that’s what happened to me. I… Read more »
@Softek Sure, you (not you specifically but this is for any guy in this situation) can try to keep her away from porn. Then you can block all the commercials with guys with better abs and muscles than you on TV, just have her stare at you until the commercial is over. After that when you go outside you can put horse-blinders on, so that there’s no risk of her seeing a better looking guy except a small window of vision in front of her. And you could have code words, like if there’s danger approaching, a good-looking guy, and… Read more »
That’s a cool story, bro!
“I was responding to
womanblue pill reddit troll with a new word she needed to use in a complete sentence to receive a gold star for the day.”
@Anonymous Reader “Scrolling past all the political stuff. Roger Devlin is worth reading and re-reading. That guy can turn a phrase. He’s old school, not ride the tiger, return to monogamy and get civilization started again. Humans do best when they produce (children, stuff and communities). Red pill stuff. Not safe for PUA. https://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Utopia-Power-Feminist-Civilization-ebook/dp/B00ZTENZZ4 7. CONSEQUENCES OF UNLIMITED CHOICE Most leftist utopias involve enjoying all the benefits of tightly knit communities while paying none of the costs in individual freedom such communities demand. Thus, feminists propose to liberate women from “domestic drudgery” and replace it with unrestricted personal choice. Yet… Read more »
Thanks for the replies. Helpful as always.
@ Sun Wukong
If you’re still reading the comments in this thread: in a parallel universe maybe we could hang out sometime. I feel like we’d get along. I feel like a lot of problems men are having these days are basically having zero RP men IRL that they can hang out with.
I’m just gonna re-post your video. As I’ve been working later into the night I’ve found it kind of relaxing.
I think Rhett hasn’t spent much time living in moslem nations
Butt sore beta does a pretty good job of describing the typical hajji
Try the churches of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. No female pastors allowed. They can hold no offices and can’t even vote in congregational meetings. They have it right.
So I asked how you might explain someone who rejected the indoctrination at a young age and then changed his mind somewhat when he got older.
Not everyone reacts to external stimuli the same way.
There may be a bell curve involved.
How many of you are there?
Most people go from blindly accepting what adults tell them when they are young and then reject what they never really thought deeply about in the first place when they get old. I was blessed with the ability to perceive that adults were full of bullshit when I was very young so I didn’t believe anything they said until I grew up and felt able to evaluate their statements effectively with sufficient understanding and perspective. Upon reflection I decided that God was not like other adults and He was not full of stupid assklown bullshit like they were. I now… Read more »
@Culum Struan Thanks for the advise! I couldn’t find the YaReally PDF, but I found his archive. I hope they’re the same. @SJF Thank you! I am 29yo in Europe, financially middle class, after October will be back to university as student to finish with my studies (interrupted due to health+money problems). I will be perfect for the BB position by this time next year lol. In the relationships domain, after reading what I’ve read here, honestly, I don’t know what I want. I have to reconsider a lot of things. I can’t unsee what Rollo describes here. In the… Read more »
@Newbie on Point. Read Daygame Mastery by Krauser. For me it was the definitive instruction manual.
Oddly, I grew up in a church that was a bit better on this issue (although I’ve since seen exactly what Rollo and Dalrock talk about in other churches). I left the faith not because of the sexual politics, but because of the stance on violence (absolute, total nonviolence). Even as a child, that grated on me. I simply was not so constituted to turn cheeks. I will say that I can provide anecdata to support Rollo’s claim about the susceptibility of christian girls to any game, especially from a heathen atheist like I am now. Hint a bit about… Read more »
Non-violence is pure BS. Those who live by the sword, meaning those who use violence to get what they want instead of peaceful means, need to be killed by the sword, first by the victims if they are able and if not then anybody who happens to be around and sees the wicked using criminal violence. There is no way in unholy hell that I would ever accept an interpretation of practical Christianity that required good people to stand around with their fingers in their ass while criminal murderers were allowed to do whatever they want. And I don’t believe… Read more »
Are we done with the religion talk yet? I managed to get a fair amount of work done not reading the comments all week… Mini FR: Back to the woman asking how many others I’m dating and my ridiculous answer (42) that shut her down – worked like a charm. Had a ‘meetup’ later on and a real date yesterday. Played the interesting guy and teased a lot – kept up the funny aspect interleaved with some serious and sexy talk. As mentioned I’ve been reading BD blog (well, all of it actually) and he has a lot of good… Read more »
The theme of the post was “blah blah…Religion,” so, what could you expect? And there’s been no shortage of commenters. I don’t blame you for looking forward to a change of subject in the next post though, as it seems me and everyone else has beaten this one to the Second Death.
YaReally ahead of us like usual
“Meanwhile all of them are fapping to porn full of slutty chicks. They’re not fapping to Lena Dunham dressed like their grandmother reading a book.”
She was wearing a tux at the event
A woman writing in Slate says he must be gay
not sure why the People link got wrecked by the commas, here’s what the fox says
1. It wasn’t the tux.
“as it seems me and everyone else has beaten this one to the Second Death.”
Anti-disestablishmentarians gonna anti-disestablishmentate.
Anti-disestablishmentate? They were asking for it. They had it coming. They deserved it.
@Sun:Yup, that’s the jam right there!
Or as TooDamnFilthy says, “Shiru ka?!”
here’s the blue pill idiots helping a nice guy(tm) 18 year old nice guy writes them: I don’t want to treat people like crap or “spin plates” or anything. I just want to be me. I just want to be nice to people, I’m not dominating, and I’m not confrontational. But, according to RP and everything they’ve written, girls would just see me as weak, they don’t like a guy like me. I know lots of girls are nice, in fact, every girl that even vaguely knows me offers to talk when I feel down. But, according to Redpill, unless… Read more »
Umso, women don’t like nice guys? Well, I’m a nice guy and I’m not going to change just to make some stupid fucking bitch happy, m’kay?
“I was responding to woman blue pill reddit troll with a new word she needed to use in a complete sentence to receive a gold star for the day.”
Back for another round Liz? :/
“Umso, women don’t like nice guys?”
Short answer – no. Long answer – Of course not.
redlight, did you find that thread or are you still stalking me on reddit?
@Softek & Sun – And I’d like to be the asshole 3rd guy at your meetup who you can unify against… @All Re: On Being an Asshole Asshole is too broad a term, first off, so let’s deal with that. There is arrogance, cockiness, meanness, bullying, conflict/drama/fighting/arguing, too loud, narcissism etc. List goes on and on, right? So what is it about being an asshole that is relevant to the Red Pill? My two cents, fwiw. Let’s deal with the conflict driven, antagonistic, aggressive type (gosh, where can I look for that archetype – ah, yes, the mirror, yes, this… Read more »
em, still ensuring you are not bad mouthing TRP
outing your girl friends as all cheaters to their boy friends has drama, but not our concern aside thanks for making more TRP converts
I actually am not posting too much about TRP, as you will have noticed. TBP is annoying me nowadays as well.
em, compared to them, you are a genius
why haven’t you been helping roosh with his religious conversion?
Idk… Where can I read about it? But srsly, he was claiming to be Muslim when he needed to be, and then agnostic atheist like most RPers and etc etc. I don’t think he’s genuine.
http://www.rooshv.com/the-wisdom-books-of-the-old-testament He concludes: The wisdom books of the Bible raise questions of God’s justice and plans for his human subjects. Why do people suffer or prosper? Why does life feel like it’s not being guided by God? These questions vexed the Jews enough that they honored other God’s to get more immediate results. And then Jesus Christ came along to say that it will all be worth it—not necessarily now, but in the eternal afterlife, as long as you accept him as your savior. I had a PUA type friend in his 40s who another friend took to his revivalist… Read more »
Yeah, that’s what happens to people in their 40s who have done nothing valuable in their life.
Lol. I’m sure Sun would be on board with us forming some kind of trio. I’ve always had a thing for 3 piece bands anyway.
Why do girls gets in the way of guys who wants to fight?
If guy A is aggressive and wants to start a fight with guy B, women will get physically between them and try to calm down the aggressive guy so that no fights happens.
Why? This blows my mind. Is it because they think they will never get hurt?
How come a woman dares to stand up in front of a man or in front of multiple angry aggressive men?
“Why do girls gets in the way of guys who wants to fight?”
From my perspective there have been innumerable times girls have antagonized guys into fighting. Either indirectly, “He was looking at me! Are you going to stand for that?” or directly, “Kick his ass, Stevie! Kick his ass!”
John’s question is also on Ask Teenagers
An answer not yet given at Ask Teenagers:
Because they didn’t instigate it. Preventing male violence is not a fundamental of female society, manipulating and controlling it for their own purposes is.
On Krauser I don’t get his accent obsession at all. Aside from anything else, anyone familiar with English accents will know he sounds Geordie himself – sort of northern and provincial. In American terms I suppose it would be the equivalent of sounding like a redneck hillbilly from Tennessee or something. Not exactly a high status accent.
But random girls in Poland who barely speak English at all don’t care about his accent – just like they don’t care about Deepak’s thick Indian Accent. It’s all “foreign English speaking guy” to them.
Relationship expert YaReally will explain this for us:
Drizzy and Ri have matching tats. He rented out the whole Aquarium, very expensive
Well. The comments are winding down as the holiday approaches and Rollo preps his next post. So ” religion ” was discussed, and the world did not descend into immediate chaos and fire and brimstone. As far a discussions go, this one was not as hyper as I’d assumed it would become. I credit this to the chorus of RM regulars that tamped down any runaway extremism. I just have a few final thoughts to jot down here before the curtain falls. Christianity, or more precisely ” churchianity ” has indeed been heavily feminized. Strikingly, it has also been militarized… Read more »
The confusion comes from not understanding that there is a visible church carnal and an Invisible Church Spiritual. The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church Spiritual, but the church carnal is going down with the rest of the world. Carnal misleaders want to tell you that you’re a sinner in order to control you for worldly purposes. Spiritual leaders want to explain to you the truth that you already know in your heart that you are alienated from God and His love by your sin and point you to Jesus Christ and His atonement and forgiveness and… Read more »
We’re all doomed.
End of story.
@ The Lone Planet
….speak for yourself.
Oh Redlight… I was scrolling through comments and saw a pic that I can’t unsee…
At least put in a trigger warning landwhale a few post ahead if you are gonna post stuff like that.
sorry about that, go to gonewild and view images until dick recovery
You said elsewhere that the collective we were misogynitic. On an individual level isn’t it clear to you that Rollo loves his wife and daughter?
Em, what about YaReally? Isn’t clear that he wants women to have some of the best experiences when with him? That even though he has never ever mentioned it, he has supported women during emotional crisis and other problems? That he actually loves women as they are, not idealistically?
“You can love your wife and daughter and still be a misogynist” That is “making stuff up”. No you can’t. You can love a rock or a boat or your car, you can romance any female and you can have masculine/feminine polarity with sexual desire for the object of your interest. A misogynist dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women. Only a man who has contempt for his wife or daughter because of their sex is a misogynist. Red Pill and Game is not misogynist ideology. It is praxeology for a masculine sexual strategy. Feminism is a misandric ideology.… Read more »
em, if you don’t read YaReally you are missing some of the most entertaining writing ever
What about Blax? Isn’t it clear he loves women, and that women instinctively pick up on that?
That sucks. Notre Dame lost to Texas. I lack release from constraint because of that. Losing my Religion wise.
But I love my wife. (Don’t tell her though…)
Misogyny is oversold.
“Feminism is a misandric ideology.”
That would only be true if mainstream feminism sought to assert dominance over males and oppress them.
I thought you were in college and exposed to philosophical critical thinking.
Take your blinders off.
And learn early in your life that your control issues will be a problem later on in your life.
em, Rollo’s anger was you were being two-faced, saying one thing here and saying we were misogynitic assholes elsewhere
If you think we are misogynitic assholes, state your case here and have at it. ZFG
But don’t go “cute mode” here, and dump on us elsewhere.
“Yes, I realize that faith is something personal that should be set apart from churchy social influence, but the culture is a manifestation of the doctrine and collective belief system.” Even this “realisation” – “faith is something personal that should be set apart” – is post-enlightenment thinking. Religion goes hand-in-hand with culture, and in a healthy society underpins culture. This has been true for millennia. The idea that religion is something personal or subjective is a very modern and post-modern idea. And true Christianity makes cultural claims. Consider the climax of the Apostle Paul’s speech before the great of Athens:… Read more »
Allowing women to define “misogyny” is like allowing 5-year-olds to define what’s “unfair”.
“If history is going somewhere, it impacts the here and now in ways that might make us uncomfortable, and we can’t have that scaring the populace.” The idea that history is going somewhere is a foundational belief of Communism, to the extent that Communists have deified it as History; and you must keep yourself on the right side of History, or History will exact righteous vengeance. Communism, as she is spoke today, has basically taken all the structure of Christianity, the cultural paradigm in which it arose, and simply changed the proper nouns out. It even has analogues to various… Read more »
Probably too late in this thread for @Rollo or anyone else to see this, but just in case,
OT: Open Hypergamy on full display.
Is This Thing On?
Not OT… another tale of a miraculous, inexplicable birth… perfect place for it…
Is This Thing On – not quite open hypergamy but close. I can see a way to have the sequal: a woman with fraternal twins, each one fathered by a different man. Same hilarity.
It does point sorta towards AF-BetaCucks.
I say it’s open Hypergamy because of the “who do you want to be the father” line that is in it. As if she can make the choice even after conception. LOL
Re: Bridget Jones Baby Trailer
I’m hoping that you, or @rollo or @YaReally or @SJF or one of the other regulars on TRM can enlighten as to why this particular plot contrivance resonates with the female brain so much that they’ll spend $50 Million on a movie.
This is (at least) the third commercial
Movie with that subject. I honestly don’t understand what’s behind it psychologically speaking.
Could one of you learned men please help a lurker out?
Emily, you are banned here. You are a pathological liar and an attention whore. You offer nothing and are entirely valueless to any and every discussion here. Your Beta orbiters on TBP are consummate pussies and cowards. They haven’t the balls to directly debate anyone in the TRP sub because they have no real counter arguments to the uncomfortable truths RP forces them to be aware of so they content themselves with a mutual circle jerk talking about shit they know but don’t await to accept. You can tell them I told you and them to go fuck themselves until… Read more »
Just saw your comment after I wrote mine. I can see the hypergamy of it all.
Is that why the trailer features nearly 90 seconds of the guys showing who’s the more “Blue Pill” even though she’s clearly Darcy’s alpha widow?
Is it the drama of it all they crave? The manipulation of male emotion? Is it a fantasy that they compete for her rather than demand a paternity test?
@jack, challenge accepted
I think it simply lets post-wall women latch on to the fantasy that they still command male attention like they used to. “Hey, I’m a dumpy old 40 something, but I still have these two dashing men fighting over me just hoping they have won the lottery by knocking me up.”
It really speaks to the strength of the hamster.
@Rollo Thank you. I look forward to you hearing your thoughts.
That’s one King Kamehameha-sized hamster.
Okay so post-wall fantasy – almost to say….
“I can ride the carousel almost until the very end and if I get pregnant the men I think it could be will shower me with provider love and affection (read: cash and prizes) and i’ll get to ‘choose’ whomever makes me happy regardless of actual paternity?”
LOL Krauser just banned gb_hills who just eviscerated him in the comments.
Krauser is just so ridiculous… He was before, but now it’s almost painful to watch…
I’m almost tempted to watch the damn thing just to see how they resolve it. Something tells me the two dudes won’t both realize they’ve been dating a whore and walk off to have a beer together as the dumpster fire gives birth by herself. Maybe they’ll do a paternity test and find out neither of them is the father. Hmmm. Not going to happen is it?
“I’m almost tempted to watch the last five minutes just to see how they resolve it with paternity testing”
Is this thing on?
I say it’s open Hypergamy because of the “who do you want to be the father” line that is in it.
Eh, that’s why I say it’s close. Open hypergamy would be her picking the man with the most assets and naming him as “Dahday”, then getting knocked up later on by a third man who’s sexier than either of the two.
As if she can make the choice even after conception. LOL
Uh, legally she can do exactly that, and if the named and claimed man does not dispute – tag, he’s it.
Note Liv Tyler, who was born Liv Rundgren. Rundgren knew, but “did the right thing.”
Funny thing is even the daughter went with the bad boy by changing her name to Tyler. What a slap in the face to the man that raised you.
“Women don’t lie” – Dieda
Women are not liars – live reading of Dieda doodah.
So was Bebe Buell in full flowing of her love when she told Todd Rundgren that Liv was his? When Bebe Buell accepted years of monetary support from him for a child that wasn’t his was that her full, feminine, flowing, flowering, feelings at work, or something else?
In real life, Bebe Buell totally ran AF Beta Cucks, covert hypergamy and she’s profited from it, her daughter profited, now Steve Tyler profits…
@Jack-Jack You got the jist of it, but Rollo will fill in the blanks. @Klem @gb_hill Fucking lol I agree completely with the post that got gb_hill banned there. That’s why I lol’ed at the whole controversy…he really doesn’t get that most of those guys all look the same to us. I can’t imagine how you COULDN’T clean up there with pickup skills trained in North America, they all get instant receptiveness. Like wtf obstacles would they run into from there besides a boyfriend here and there? 90% of the time when I watch these guys not get the girl… Read more »
“So was Bebe Buell in full flowing of her love when she told Todd Rundgren that Liv was his?”
If she tried that it didn’t stick. Todd knew that Bebe had been fucking Steve, in the right time frame, before Liv was born. He just plain Blue Pill cucked out, because the baby “deserved a real father.”
Which makes me wonder if Bebe pulled off the scam at the other end of the deal, convincing Todd that she really was a top shelf groupie turned born again virgin.
@Is this thing On/Sentient The new Bridget Jones trailer basically gives away 90% of the movie. Personally I go to see these movies and watch shows like Girls to assess them from a Red Pill perspective. From the start you can immediately see that both the potential “dads” are betas. Darcy oozes passive aggressiveness while the American guy is the quintessential white knight. Bridget has clearly hit a wall. The tension is the Brits vs American cultural sensibilities….but from a Red Pill perspective the dynamic is about male/female polarity….the neediness in: “Do you love me?”– the absence of Amused Mastery….AMOGING….that’s… Read more »
@YaReally I’ve gone through something of a paradigm change lately regarding game. I’ve actually come around further to your way of thinking believe it or not. Due to my own experiences in the field (and in life in general) I’ve seen the power of behavioral confidence; ie “subcomms”. I’ve also seen that unless moderated, both an alt-right and a Manospherean worldview can be really corrosive and life diminishing. It can make you miserable and gives little upside. (Although it might get you a Twitter following.) And that is exactly where Nick’s headspace is at. He is a mediocre daygamer with… Read more »
Yesterday I was discussing with my wife how John Hughes was such a great screenwriter (I understand if you think his ideas are rationally silly but his stuff is about emotional reaction). She had told me about a very funny scene she watched years ago, I said that sounds like Hughes, looked it up and it was a movie he wrote the screenplay for but didn’t direct. Today we have a piece that he wrote for National Lampoon in 79:
gb on a hill, Ya who is always fucking right
“I’ve gone through something of a paradigm change lately regarding game. I’ve actually come around further to your way of thinking believe it or not.”
I’ve been running increased emphasis on subcomms and it is the bomb. You could actually say random words and it works. I can’t describe it to convince.
All Just getting back from a rugby gathering. Two of players an my team broke up with their lady friends. One who was with him for 2 and a half yrs the other for 4 an a half. They where mourning and angry. I don’t know what to do but I was listing to their anger and I wants to drive them here. It’s been a hell of a day. I’m in love with life. But pain from men means a lot to me. I’ve lost to buddy’s in the year. One an ok tema I used to play on.… Read more »
@yareally et all… Looking for more feedback on my text game. I’ve found myself trying to follow your advice of always leading and pushing either for sexual innuendo or a meetup has lead to me overgaming and some text blowouts. When I’m more subtle it goes way better. It’d be fucking amazing if you could post actual text examples from your texts with girls because I’m clearly uncalibrated and some actual examples would go a really long way to helping me learn. Here are some examples from my game: 22-23 HB7 year old I met out at the bar. Pretty… Read more »
@gb_hill “I’ve gone through something of a paradigm change lately regarding game. I’ve actually come around further to your way of thinking believe it or not. Due to my own experiences in the field (and in life in general) I’ve seen the power of behavioral confidence; ie “subcomms”.” I believe it because everyone who goes infield and pushes themselves enough comes to the same conclusions. I didn’t just make this stuff up, or parrot whatever Tyler says. My buddies and I have gone infield and fucked with this stuff a shitload, my wingmen are all usually better looking than me,… Read more »
@Stringer….I’ll give some insights into your text game. Mine is now tight so take it for what it is: SB: Hey it’s SB. You remember my friend with the backpack last night? HB7: Haha yeah SB: Turns out we didn’t need your advice after all. He went home with our coworker last night and then he broke up with his girlfriend on his own this morning This is pretty generic. I wouldn’t ASK a girl if she remembered anything…it sounds needy. The opener talking about a friend and going home with another girl, it comes off odd. If a girl… Read more »