Evolving Hypergamy

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Novaseeker had an excellent breakdown of how Hypergamy has developed and is radically altering a long established social order in favor of one centered on the female sexual strategy. This was timely for a post I was working on, so rather than allow it to be buried in the last thread I thought I’d riff on it a bit here:

So in my head, I tried to think of what the best response to hidden estrus would be from a male perspective, and the only thing I could think of was essentially hiding male horniness, I used the word stoicism. The only way to balance the effects of hidden estrus is for all men to simply appear to not want what a women are offering, to appear uninvested, uninterested, etc.., because this again gives the perception of a lack of abundance to the women and re-balances things. Eventually such behavior would become selected for to some degree, and male emotions would become less prominent.

I agree with what you are saying, although I think it’s important to bear in mind that the expression of female sexuality historically was quite restricted, once we were at a level of more complex social organization beyond the rather small. Things did vary by community and culture somewhat, but once things reached that level of social advance, in most places a woman’s family/kin had a huge control over the expression of her sexuality, with the parents (largely the father) and to a lesser extent her male brothers exerting substantial restrictive pressure on the expression of her sexuality.

I should note here that while there is a definite social structure built around various strategies of mate guarding, these social mores and familial repression of women’s Hypergamous impulses does, in fact, stem from evolved, behavioral adaptations.

Kin Affiliation Across the Ovulatory Cycle : Females Avoid Fathers When Fertile Consider that girls will make subconscious efforts to avoid their fathers during the proliferative phase of their ovulatory cycle. Also, consider girls enter puberty at an earlier age when their fathers are not present in the family. Both of these are examples of phenomena that have a physical manifestation and a latent evolutionary purpose, but socially we build moral/social frameworks around buffering for (or sometimes accommodating) them.

Likewise, there are social controls that span all cultures that have the same purpose of buffering against the predations and mechanics of women’s Hypergamous natures. The most stringent of these might be repressing of women’s sexuality, but the latent purpose is still the same; controlling for paternity assurances.

There was, of course, cheating of the system that took place in terms of women bucking the system covertly, but most women were not sexual free agents in most places most of the time historically, and so were not acting on their estrus, concealed or otherwise at these later points in history. It does seem like something which likely occurred prior to the time we developed significant social organization (which is unclear when it precisely happened, but likely happened gradually quite some time before the development of large-scale agriculture), and is inherited from that earlier time, while the later social structures mostly, or at least in many cases, served to rather severely hem in the expression of female sexuality and free sexual choice to a large degree.

The Feminine Imperative that exists today still uses these historically extreme controls as a baseline for provoking an emotional response among women (and feminized men) today. In spite of the realities of Open Hypergamy and Open Cuckoldry, and paired with the fact that we live in the most sexually permissive society the world has largely known to this point, there is still a necessity to sell a narrative of sexual repression in order to perpetuate a social condition of ‘victimization’ among women and thus perpetuate a status of concern and primary importance.

So I guess my perspective is not that what you are suggesting is incorrect, in terms of the deeper evolutionary inheritance, but that the response of men to this eventually evolved, socially, into the use of social/legal/moral structures that acted as a counterweight to the inter-sexual issues raised by concealed estrus, and that, being social animals, this was itself also a powerfully selected thing (tribes that did not adopt similar restrictive measures did not generally survive except in relatively isolated areas where they were not exposed to the same degree of competition with patriarchal tribes and their sexually restrictive cultures). I suspect it dawned on the males in some tribal groups that the gains to be had from a kind of system of “one girl for (almost) every guy (who isn’t killed in war, or banished or enslaved)” when it came to women, in terms of reducing sex-related conflict among men, became more important when the scale/size of social organization grew beyond the small and moved to a larger, more complex scale, where different structures were needed to ensure cooperation and alleviate conflict which could undermine that cooperation and the scale made possible by it. So in other words, the strategy that men adopted had to do with the needs of the social order and the need for greater cooperation and less conflict once the scale grew to the point where close kinship among the males could no longer feasibly serve as a conflict-reducer effectively.

This was done, of course, at the direct expense of the female sexual strategy, and females have been scratching and clawing against that result in various ways ever since that time, but really have only recently had the success of overturning pretty much all aspects of that restrictive system (while retaining selective elements of it in form, mostly, as it serves their own interests) with the collaboration of most men, by the way, in the process (for various reasons, many of which Rollo has detailed in various posts on this blog). The resulting system is therefore new, and requires men to adapt, which is what we are about doing here, of course. The idea is to have a system which is of a large scale and complexity, socially, and which requires high levels of cooperation in order to function, while at the same time removing the last vestiges of of the “one girl for (almost) every guy” sexual system and replacing it with the freest, most open and adversarial system of sexual competition among males that our species has likely seen since long before the time we evolved into socially-based human groups.

I’ve covered most of the male adaptiveness that Nova mentions here in the Adaptation series of posts. For the short version, however, it’s important to note that even the sexual restrictiveness of women in prior eras were themselves adaptations meant to buffer against women’s conflicting sexual strategy. As I stated in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies, for one sex’s strategy to succeed the other must either be compromised or abandoned. Prior sexual restrictiveness was a repression meant to force women to abandon and later (in monogamy) compromise their own Hypergamy (Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks).

It remains to be seen how feasible this is, longer term, because it is still so new. And the adaptation required by men is substantial, because the change is gargantuan from anything we have experienced in thousands upon thousands of years, in terms of sexual system and related mores. I think relatively few will adapt, and the majority of men will fail at the system, in terms of actually getting what they want. I don’t mean most guys will be incel all their lives, but that their relationships with women will be extremely skewed to the women’s terms, through a combination of outright duping, indoctrination into wishful thinking, and a steady move towards ever more libertine sexual morality for women as a part of the further expression of the Feminine Imperative.

And that comes back to the concealed estrus issue, because the social solution that men in certain groups came up with a long, long time ago (substantial restrictions on female sexual expression) is now pretty much completely removed in this culture, meaning that it is playing a bigger role in human inter-sexual relations than it has been permitted to play in a long time. In fact, the development of reproductive technologies and the related legal regime supporting their free use has augmented the ability of women to utilize this aspect of themselves to tilt the field in their favor, well beyond what nature provided them, in terms of controlling who among the men gets to breed. Again, most men will not be able to adapt quickly enough and will be in lopsided relationships as a result. Other men, like us, are able to adapt and thrive under the new system as individuals, knowing full well we can’t really overthrow something like the sea change in sexual system that we have seen occur, even if we thought that was wise, which it may very well not be. Every man, once he comes to this realization, therefore has a choice to make, really, and a fairly stark one. Most guys have no chance, however, because they are totally subsumed by the feminine primary and never come to a realization of things as they are, and just what the heck happened in the culture, sexually, over the last 100 years or so.

Although my last post may have been on the melodramatic side, the exaggeration is still founded on the same dynamic Nova is getting at here. Since the time of the sexual revolution there has been a complete social abdication on the part of men to have any say in exercising, much less advocating for, prioritizing their own interests in the sexual strategies equation.

It’s gotten to the point that even men’s initiating an approach at the most marginal form of intimacy runs the risk of not just rejection, but legal and social punishments for even taking it upon himself. The onus of sexual selection, as per every legal mandate, is unilaterally placed upon the part of women. The latent purpose of this is to prioritize women’s sexuality and women’s sexual strategy (Hypergamy) above men’s – all while clinging to the pretense of the sexual repressions that they believe still characterize the condition of women.

If you ever wonder at the declining marriage rates, the delaying of marriage until well past women’s prime fertility years, male suicide rates being four times that of women or the rise of men who’ve contented themselves in being single for their lives look no further than this reprioritization of women’s Hypergamy as the socially predominant sexual strategy.

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I would say that attempts at overt male control of covert female sexuality oftentimes amount to window dressing that only serve to help convince the men of their paternity, even when they’ve no reason to be assured of it. Only in cultures like those established by strict Islamic doctrine/Sharia Law can paternity be (mostly) assured by social forces. Outside of that, women can oftentimes have free reign at getting away with good old-fashioned cuckoldry.

 

In a social order founded on Hypergamy, that dynamic demands that men’s utterly abdicate their sexual and biological imperatives to women. This means any paternity assurances, or even the idea that they should matter to a man, must be surrendered to the point that they are literally conditioned and bred out of the consciousnesses of men.


 

I’m hitting upon this in the hopes of prompting some discussion about the aspects of Hypergamy Novaseeker mentions here, but also because I will be discussing much of this with Alan Roger Currie this coming Thursday night on his podcast.

We’ll be talking at 10pm EST/7pm PST and this will be a live call-in format, so if you’d like to participate I’d encourage you to do so. While my appearance is not necessarily an endorsement of Mode One or anything else Currie is selling, I respect him as a thoughtful interviewer and he’s been asking me to appear for some time now.

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kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“None of that would have happened if we kept the dollar tied to Gold.” The dollar is defined as a Spanish silver coin minted in Mexico. The idea of the “Amero” is not some new, radical notion; it’s the original. Pieces of Eight are dollars and Two Bits refers to Reales, which were one eighth of a dollar, thus an American quarter dollar. The dollar could not be kept tied to gold because of the Federal Reserve, which the bankers who founded it, who wanted the gold, knew full well. The gold disappeared into Flanders Fields and the silver disappeared… Read more »

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

@kfg: Excellent illustrations (pictures) of the points. Well found.
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Blaximus
6 years ago

@ kfg ” The dollar could not be kept tied to gold because of the Federal Reserve, which the bankers who founded it, who wanted the gold, knew full well.” This^^^^ When I first learned of how the Fed, and all banks/world banks decreed that they take the gold and replace it with paper backed by…. good intentions(?), it destroyed my opinion of money and what people will do to get it. Then there is the ” buy gold ” frenzy, especially if gold reaches 1,000, 1,200, 1,300 bucks an oz ( or higher ), only to have the Fed(S)… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Jeremy,

I like talking to you about these subjects ( but I’m getting way O/T re: the post ).

Only one last point and I’m done – Cointelpro is not a conspiracy theory at all.

https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro

YaReally
6 years ago

@scray “i’d say like bottom 40% and the bottom of the top 20% are the most likely to try and learn ‘game.’” Ya I was in the bottom 10-20% probably. I wasn’t hideous looking, just average in looks but my subcomms were fucking horrible especially around anyone who wasn’t a very close friend and in social situations. Virgin till 23ish and fully lined up to end up with some plain average fat chick coworker who takes advantage of me and whatever I was set to accomplish in life. Would have guaranteed ended up on the reddit deadbedroom forum with a… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago

@pelleon “I look at scray and YaReally, they seem to be really chill and looking to spread the love” why not? i -want- everyone to become a cooler, better person who gives value to all interactions and follows their own compass. the best AMOG is the AMOG you genuinely like. like, the friends who are going to say ‘fuck you bro we’re going out tonight, you got laid off, im buying all your drinks’ or ‘heard you were in a bad mood so i snagged these two slores who are DTF, let us come over’ etc. etc. are going to… Read more »

Roused
6 years ago

Blax: Yup, that would be fiat money.

Ever read the Creature from Jekyll Island? Some might consider it pushing the edge a bit. Curious if Scribbler has read it and if so what he thinks.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Since the time of the sexual revolution there has been a complete social abdication on the part of men to have any say in exercising, much less advocating for, prioritizing their own interests in the sexual strategies equation” Good grief,Tomassi. Surely you realize that modern society revolves entirely around prioritizing the sexual strategies of men?! Come on, you have a blog here in which men endlessly rejoice in their ability to get abundant and frequent sex from a variety of partners, offering nothing in exchange to the women they engage with, except for some ego stroking narcissistic notion of having… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

“Any more stupid shit you’d like to pop off about IB?”

Yes Sweetheart. I’m sorry I said your avatar reminded me of the Village People. That was mean.

Your inability to refrain from calling me stupid, speaks more to your own insecurities about your own ideas, and I would actually prefer to see you confident, secure, rather than defiant and angry. It reads as weakness and perhaps it’s selfish of me, but I do prefer a world full of strong and confident men.

Also, don’t be a chicken shit and ban me again.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

@Rollo: insanibitch just had to find her way in here, didn’t she sensei?
It’s funny, only just, how our “reversing reality” always seems to be in line with…wait for it (😁)…Reality.
The dissonance and solipsism from these fine specimens is the gift that keeps on giving.
To young readers, and late RP bloomers, pay attention…

Roused
6 years ago

About removing rights of women. Pure mental masturbation. I mean come on, can we be real?

It’s not going to happen so why not focus on what you can change? Think about it, even suggesting that in the “public” would get you branded as a pure reactionary. The chances of restricting women’s rights are about zero so why waste time on that? Broadly speaking anyhow….

Perhaps all that was joke and I missed the punchline during lunch today.

scray
scray
6 years ago

@ya ” This is why I just kind of ignore the big “is she ovulating??? should I be more dominant???” thing the Manosphere seems weirdly obsessed about. ” yeah like i just read a lot of it and it’s like…. http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/05/tumblr-lkwcidfqzv1qjhisho1-500.gif there are tribes on other continents where teenage boys are conditioned to suck dicks in order to ‘become men.’ that’s how malleable people are. “You’ll never know that your unicorn got wet looking at her dog’s cock or reading a news article about a dad raping his daughters or 2 girls 1 cup or whatever other fucked up shit… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

@yareally

… queensnake (DO NOT GOOGLE, NSFW NSFL) which I GUARANTEE has a female audience that watches it and will never admit it to anyone in their life lol

that’s not true and you know it – if you are nonjudgmental subbies will admit to lots

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@kfg

All agreed. I was just trying to point out that our own stupidity ended our industrial base and gutted the suburban middle class, not a bigoted and unconstitutional government intelligence operation.

And yes, this is OT, done.

Fred Flange, Authorized Protest Zone Pemit #333
Fred Flange, Authorized Protest Zone Pemit #333
6 years ago

cheupez The 80/20 thing – and the 40% lost men figure – are debatable statistics. They’re just shorthand here for the societally-imposed restrictions due to Royalty/Emirs and Sultans/The Bilderberg Group creating harems, while peasants got to fuck tree stumps. And if peasants got above their station and tried to get with a chosen harem girl, they would be slit up a treat. I’ve seen articles defending, and then rejecting, the historical notion that 40% of men in past centuries never reproduced. There is some evidence, though, that the percentage of men’s genes vs. women’s genes in the population were way… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

hypergamy, af/bb don’t make sense right now because of one thing; women aren’t having the babies. birth control has taken millions of years of evolution and thrown it into a high speed blender it’s not a dual FUCKING strategy, it’s a dual MATING strategy. it only makes sense if the she passes on the good genes which will then be raised by the provider. at this point she’s not passing on shit until it’s just about too late. in the conditions hypergamy evolved she’d have her first kid in her early teens. then another a year or less later and… Read more »

CSI
CSI
6 years ago

“Here’s where I disagree. The more guys that have game, the wider the distribution of pussy. That pareto distribution isn’t a rule.”

But maybe a broad principle. There is still plenty of room for more guys to learn game etc. But at some point it’ll stop working as women start becoming habituated to it. Women are attracted to exceptional, above average men. And of course, by definition, most men can’t be above average.

This is all Beta means to me – average. In any society most men will be Beta. Nothing wrong with that.

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

“there are tribes on other continents where teenage boys are conditioned to suck dicks in order to ‘become men.’”

I read that shit too. i think it was called, “history of the orgasm” or something like that. crazy stuff.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Fleezer:

I’m in the stern playing the fiddle. I’ve got my seatbelt on. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Phil O'Sopher
Phil O'Sopher
6 years ago

An interesting and quite readable book that provides an overview of the history of marriage and the central importance of determining patrimony with some degree of confidence (hint: farming => private property => inheritance of said property) is “I Don’t: A Contrarian History of Marriage” by Susan Squire.

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Contrarian-History-Marriage-ebook/dp/B004IK8M4O

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

” if you are nonjudgmental subbies will admit to lots”

agree. women spill the beans. always.

YaReally
6 years ago

“if you are nonjudgmental subbies will admit to lots”

“agree. women spill the beans. always.”

Don’t sperg it, guys. I meant they aren’t going to admit that shit to their coworkers or friends or family. Jesus.

http://quotesjunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/quote-drake-money-about-do-i-have-to-spell-it-out-for-you.jpg

Blaximus
6 years ago

” Your inability to refrain from calling me stupid, speaks more to my glaring stupidity, and I would actually prefer to see you bowing down to christo-feminism, rather than defiant and alpha. It reads as uncompromising strength and perhaps it’s cuntish of me, but I do prefer a world full of beaten down betas who are willing to worship my old, simple ass. ”

FIFY.

Blaximus
6 years ago

” Also, I can’t help but spew chicken shit so please ban me again. ”

FIFY too.

Ur welcome.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

ya it’s just like being in a social circle of high value dudes. you just pass girls around and just laugh about it. but the girls also don’t feel judged and just have fun and do their thing and can just behave like they want to behave. like IN THE CIRCLE it’s very positive and fun and nice and open but then you know….society being what it is, a girl leaves the circle and shacks up with Joe Chode….like, she CAN’T tell him about it or those experiences or whatever happened. he can’t really think of it in both lights….like… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Clearly, actually being stupid doesn’t cause pain.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
6 years ago

Evolve and winning? By being the temporary fuck sticks of the likes of Emily? Umm yeh, no. Or perhaps wifeing up one of aunt Giggles wailing and gnashing spinsters? I always find it odd that the religion of Evolution never talks about devolution, it’s always onwards and upwards towards a Promethean Man. Fifty years of this clap trap devoid of religion and society is sexually at the level of bonobos. There’s no winning, most alpha studs are burned out and ready to tap after 40 vages, except of course those selling a lifestyle. Sorry my bad, I forgot, Coolidge effect,… Read more »

redlight
redlight
6 years ago

Rollo, you can reply to lots of people here, me included

Your choice is an attention whore, which as Ya notes “There’s as much point as there is talking to the wall beside you”

Now to have less attention whores, you just need to do nothing. To have more attention whores, just keep doing what you are doing.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“…rather than defiant and alpha”

Let me remind y’all of your own rhetoric here. Alpha is a mindset. Defiance is for children resisting authority. WTH is a defiant alpha? Somebody rebelling against their own mind?

Blaximus
6 years ago

You know, I keep getting sidetracked. I want to comment on the OP, but Gawd Damn, The wiminz keep walking into the comment room and shitting on the floor. Lol… that’s teh interwebz for ya. It’s one thing if they were looking for understanding and dialog, but that’s not what we get. Attack, feigned ( or real ) ignorance, and just good old fashioned fuckery. I tell you!!!!! LeeLee understand that most of us don’t lump you in with IntestinalBloat of EmiLOOKATMEE!!!!. It can be hard on women here. You already know this. But these 2 clowns ( assclowns? or… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I always find it odd that the religion of Evolution never talks about devolution . . .” Because the science of evolution points out that evolution has no direction or goal. The water simply takes the form of the container. “it’s always onwards and upwards towards a Promethean Man.” But objectively speaking, the bacterium are the most evolved. “What are we to look forward to?” War. At least one faction will be bearing a banner with a cross on it. It’s not to late to sign up. Not that it matters, sooner or later it will sign you up whether… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Blax

When I first learned of how the Fed, and all banks/world banks decreed that they take the gold and replace it with paper backed by…. good intentions(?), it destroyed my opinion of money and what people will do to get it.

Fiat currency is inflationary, gold-backed currency is deflationary. If you’re in the business of lending money, you want inflationary currency otherwise you lose money on the loan.

Of course the banks wanted fiat currency. It only makes sense.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Palleon “In my mind, as long as I get to fuck the girl, and we’re still really chill and have a great time together, who the fuck cares if she’s banging an entire football team in my absence? So long as she’s practicing safe sex and I’m not on the hook financially if one of her other guys knocks her up.” Assuming she’s practicing safe sex so the STDs worry is off the table (for the most part, I know I know there’s shit you can get without a condom but for the sake of discussion lets say she stays… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@kfg

Because the science of evolution points out that evolution has no direction or goal. The water simply takes the form of the container.

This. “Evolution” does mean “improvement”. It just means “change in response to current environmental pressures”. It has no intention or choice. It simply occurs as a consequence of environmental changes.

The fact that people that don’t agree with it are too ignorant, stubborn, or stupid to get that is the entire reason there’s a “controversy” about it. They can’t grok the idea that some shit just happens in this world without intention. Period.

scray
scray
6 years ago

@blax and really, @all

“Thank GodBuddahAllahandBatman that I am a MAN,and that I have been rendered impervious to the spectacular assholishness foisted upon the readership here.”

“You cannot deter or derail us. Our ballz are as kryptonite to your Superbitch.
And one day you will pay for all of the scroll wheels you’ve destroyed here with your nonsense.
So it is written, so shall it be done.”

but

“You know, I keep getting sidetracked.”

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Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Yareally – “I mean, if my style of pickup involves a lot of dominance and being an asshole and fucking them that same night etc, then shouldn’t most of the girls I hook up with be on the rag? They’re not” The reason though they are not is that ovulation occurs roughly 14 days into the 28 day cycle, which ends in menstruation… so for an average woman peak hormonal surge and peak Alpha seeking will not be at the time of her period… Lots of studies supporting that ovulating women seek more masculine partners during ovulation… Women are on… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago
YaReally
6 years ago

@Sentient “Lots of studies supporting that ovulating women seek more masculine partners during ovulation” I’m not saying there aren’t studies or evidence for it. But like I say, if you’re just passively standing around letting them choose or like, in a marriage where you’re around eachother 24/7 with tons of passive downtime, or like running passive social circle game where you just spend time around girls as a group passively, maybe that stuff matters. But women “seek” a lot of shit. 6-packs, money, height, etc But none of that matters when you pro-actively get up in their space and run… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sun ” Fiat currency is inflationary, gold-backed currency is deflationary. If you’re in the business of lending money, you want inflationary currency otherwise you lose money on the loan. Of course the banks wanted fiat currency. It only makes sense.” Yeah true, but it is not in the best interest ( no pun ) of a population. And the way the system was instituted reeks of scamitism. If I ever meet Bill Clinton, I will shake his hand while simultaneously spit in his face for doing away with Glass-Steagull. this shit must be regulated to within an inch of… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

…. okay, I think Regan rescinded the executive order, so the cement was cured. I stand corrected.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Yareally “But women “seek” a lot of shit.” Yes – and when they ARE ovulating (or should be ovulating if on HBC), they seek out situations where things can “happen” more than when they are bloated and hormonal and bleeding. This is why women, self selecting – being out in places where they can meet guys – with an egg in the chute, are out in places where they can meet guys and not binging on TV and eating ice cream in their sweats. It’s all good. The science is your friend. Doesn’t negate game’s effectiveness. But it does shed… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

” You flip their triggers and MAKE them go into “I want this dominant alpha dude” mode regardless of the moon.”

Yes – and you discover the majority you meet are NOT having their period… as you say.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Sentient “This is why women, self selecting – being out in places where they can meet guys – with an egg in the chute, are out in places where they can meet guys and not binging on TV and eating ice cream in their sweats.” I mean, they have jobs and have to buy groceries and have friends that want to see them and drag them out to bars for b’day parties and girls nights out and shit, they can’t just stay in the house half the month and not go outside lol “and you discover the majority you meet… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Blaximus:

Rented one of those a month ago. Even though it’s a Chrysler made in Mexico, the driving position was distinctly Italian: Legs crunched up a bit, arms out straight.

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ kfg

” Rented one of those a month ago. Even though it’s a Chrysler made in Mexico, the driving position was distinctly Italian: Legs crunched up a bit, arms out straight.”

Lol.

I’m overrun with fiats and mini coopers where I live.

But since it’s a Chrysler, I’m gonna see if I can special order one with a Hemi. And they can take out the backseat and put the driver’s seat in it’s place.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

Better yet, put the Hemi where the back seat is, driving the rear wheels.

Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Ya ” I don’t know, I’ve never really tracked the stats on it because it seems pretty random. Sometimes they have their period going on, sometimes it’s about to hit, sometimes it’s forever away…that’s why I don’t really pay attention to it. There doesn’t seem to be any real significance infield.” If you spend enough time around a particular chick, you can pretty much tell when she’s close. There are signs and some work to your benefit. Couldn’t hurt to try. But I agree that it’s tougher to figure it out on a stranger, on the fly. There will… Read more »

Admin
6 years ago

As a sanity check… “It’s gotten to the point that even men’s initiating an approach at the most marginal form of intimacy runs the risk of not just rejection, but legal and social punishments for even taking it upon himself.” In reality though, probably 99.9% of the time this is not true. I live in NYC which is very pro-feminist. For the past 5 months I’ve been doing Daygame and have never had any problems. In fact most women have been flattered and many thanked me for approaching them. For example, here’s an actual text I received from a woman… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

kfg

FLASHBACK!!!!!!

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo16/Deuceacre/poster080410a.jpg

…. okay, I’m better now.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Blaximus
Right, like that’s passive stuff to me VS pro-actively cold-approaching them. It probably helps to be more assholeish or more providery in a marriage based on it.

But infield it’s pretty irrelevant. She’s not turning down her chance to snag an alpha guy because she’s not in the right phase of her cycle lol And she’s not grabbing the beta provider chode in the corner to fuck his brains out because she’s in the other phase of her cycle.

Blaximus
6 years ago

Ya-

“……And she’s not grabbing the beta provider chode in the corner to fuck his brains out because she’s in the other phase of her cycle.”

But, she might.

Lmao

RickSanchez
RickSanchez
6 years ago

Not sure if this is something you ever got into before, but I was struck enough by this quote, to mention it: “the fact that we live in the most sexually permissive society the world has largely known to this point” Are we certain of this? As naturally as most women are readily able to latch on to the feminist narrative and debate with blatant cognitive dissonance and emotional manipulation, I wonder if feminism isn’t an instinct, and a recurring anthropological cycle. I had read a hypothesis that this contributed to the downfall of Rome (already familiar with lead pipes… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Ya – Goddamn you. Lol. fucking fumbling and bumbling to try and escalate at the cafe today. Self-ejected, sigh. Fucking hard to admit I’m terrified of girls at 53. Feels oddly like I’m 15 again. 21yo HB7 with a great smile and sweet calm energy. What blew me out? Was talking about the stand up paddler I just got for the lake this year and she told me how she LOVED THEM and how it was a great abdominal workout. She was basically preening and I didn’t know what to do. Now it was at a counter, she was working… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Wild Man
Of interest wrt to the topic of this post is that men are subliminally aware of ovulation:

Good link. Good comment. More of that.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

That depression era photo of the guy with the pipe and his girl in the background. Anybody notice how together she looks. Even in a migrant camp.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

“There will be signs ” “She’s not turning down her chance to snag an alpha guy because she’s not in the right phase of her cycle lol And she’s not grabbing the beta provider chode in the corner to fuck his brains out because she’s in the other phase of her cycle.” Yes and Yes – the predominate sign is she is OUT and NOT sequestered away, bloated and broken out… Which is why you yourself Yareally said “then shouldn’t most of the girls I hook up with be on the rag? They’re not, so it seems kind of silly… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

Just had a thought. If that is actually from the depression era and not a photo reenacting that era. She looks a little too together.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Scribbs “how it was a great abdominal workout. ” Yeah – show me… [sexualize] ” she was working etc. ” So what? ““Hey, when you get off let’s get a coffee and you can give me tips”” Meh – kind of weak… Do yourself a favor, to get over this hump “Fucking hard to admit I’m terrified of girls at 53.” focus on night game. SNL night game. Take the hit to your schedule and go OUT AT NIGHT TO BARS AND CLUBS… and DO not restrain yourself. It will take time, it will hurt, it will not be comfortable.… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Blaximus “But, she might.” Just doesn’t play out infield that way. She MIGHT be a little more receptive to him than she would normally be but it just doesn’t matter. There’s no point in Megan Fox’s cycle where she’s going to pro-actively fuck this dude and think he’s sexy: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/25/article-1195544-055B5907000005DC-101_468x582.jpg Like it’s so insignificant infield that it isn’t worth worrying about any more than Tyler should worry about his bald spot or Julien should worry about being skinny. @scribblerg “Was talking about the stand up paddler I just got for the lake this year and she told me how she… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“If that is actually from the depression era . . . ” It is. It’s a Dorothea Lange. “Anybody notice how together she looks.” Yes. I wasn’t just focusing on the guy. Without the woman it wouldn’t be my favorite. Here’s another Lange. Not a migrant, but one of the women at home while her man was out somewhere, looking for work and standing in soup lines: Reasonably well turned out for living in a shack with a couple of hungry rug rats clutching at her skirts. This is probably her most famous though; pea picker with seven kids: http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/lange/dor12-100.jpg… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
6 years ago

Science of evolution… These guys can’t even figure out how lipomas (little fat lumps) work or why the Mega Fauna and Flora spontaneously shrunk or died out 16000 years ago. And yet I’m somehow meant to take it on faith that they know what was going on millions of years ago. Hundreds of researches over thousands of hours can’t figure out simple lipomas but somehow I’m meant to believe 200 years ago a cousin marrying medical school drop out discovered the secret of life on the Galápagos by watching birds. Yeh, right. The same guys that put a human jaw… Read more »

Roused
6 years ago

Ya, Blax, Sentient, For sure, the likelihood of them not being on the rag is much much higher if they are out. First clue is how they are dressed. Short, tight and revealing means they are feeling confident in their body. During shark week, or as I joke about it to my GF, Chairman Mao riding the cotton pony, they are feeling bloated and very self conscious. Nothing tight around the waist or belly as it’s just not going to fit well with the bloating, cramps and flow. The moon and apps are really a bit amateurish. Be aware of… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

YaReally (since she believes the myth pushed by Disney that monogamy means she’ll be safe and they’ll be together forever etc). Far be it from me to disagree with YaReally, but I must. Disney in this case is just selling what women want. Back in the good old days, 10,000 years ago, an abandoned woman would pretty much be SOL, i.e. dead. So the dread of abandonment is likely way deep in the female hindbrain, not a recent addition courtesy of the Haus of Maus. Provision need is in their hindbrain, even a woman who is her own beta still… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Scray
the best AMOG is the AMOG you genuinely like.

Well, yeah. Cosign.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Bites @Rollo

Your inability to refrain from calling me stupid,

But Bites, you not only cannot learn, you refuse to learn. That is a pretty good definition of stupid right there.

And LOL at you telling Rollo how to run his blog. Perhaps you confused him for the beta schlub you’re currently nagging to death?

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Far be it from me to disagree with YaReally, but I must.
Disney in this case is just selling what women want.”

Yeah, what they THINK they want. I point you to exhibit A. Emily. Exhibit B. Insanity or whatever her name is. The list goes on.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Roused “wants tingles, validation and dick” She always wants those, bloated or otherwise. The purpose of game is to pro-actively fan that flame up into a forest fire, is my point. She’s not UNRECEPTIVE or UNINTERESTED in tingles and validation and dick from Brad Pitt in his prime macking her, just because she’s bloated. She could be on death’s door but if you say “hey I’ve got Brad Pitt here and he wants to fuck you”, they’re going to rally up. They won’t rally up for their lame husband, but they’ll rally up for a guy with high enough value… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@scribblerg “Fucking hard to admit I’m terrified of girls at 53. Feels oddly like I’m 15 again. ” that’s actually a good sign…you are making progress… “21yo HB7 with a great smile and sweet calm energy. What blew me out? Was talking about the stand up paddler I just got for the lake this year and she told me how she LOVED THEM and how it was a great abdominal workout. She was basically preening and I didn’t know what to do. ” touch her…lol…if she wasn’t working I would have felt her abs…but even so you could still feel… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Andy
Yeah, what they THINK FEELZ they want. I point you to exhibit A. Emily. Exhibit B. Insanity or whatever her name is. The list goes on

FIFY.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“This. This is why I just kind of ignore the big “is she ovulating??? should I be more dominant???” thing the Manosphere seems weirdly obsessed about. Like I get it, there are papers from Harvard that say bla bla But infield they’re horny as fuck all month long lol “ I kinda kept track of weeks in the back of my head for a while at work (have a fun flirty vibe w like 6 cute girls there, not gonna shit where I eat tho). 1 girl seemed to def. react to me differently 1 week each month (went from… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

AR “So the dread of abandonment is likely way deep in the female hindbrain, not a recent addition courtesy of the Haus of Maus” YaReally: It’s not the fear of abandonment, it’s the importance of monogamy. In the past girls were perfectly fine being part of a harem as long as they knew the guy leading that harem would provide for them. That’s fear of abandonment right there; “as long as they are provided for”. I’m sure that Joe Ugh the caveman could have two or more women willing to lay with him as long as they got fed –… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Forge the Sky “I kinda kept track of weeks in the back of my head for a while at work (have a fun flirty vibe w like 6 cute girls there, not gonna shit where I eat tho)” Again that’s passive game, which like I say I can see where it might have value there. I’m just talking about how it’s not relevant for approaching them infield. And even in that passive game that’s still letting her steer the boat and reacting to her VS being pro-active, like that’s not really “pickup” that’s just a guy hoping a girl notices… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@ ScribblerG “Fucking hard to admit I’m terrified of girls at 53. Feels oddly like I’m 15 again. ” HABD said: “just don’t forget it’s supposed to be fun…lol” And I say (stolen from a PUA maxim) “add Value”. Next time your freeze up do what Scray and YaReally advocate as maxims. Be Fun and Add Value to HER. Play with her and play with her in order to add value to her. Be a machine head and stop thinking (about you) ADD VALUE and BE FUN. You got that in your firmware, your hind and mid-brain, leave your ego,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Estrus cycles. The problem with the mental masturbation about this in today’s comments is that YaReally is using an apex fallacy. See, he is so good at game that he marginalizes this effect for the marginalized man. When you are rich as fuck, you don’t worry about marginal tax rates. They are irrelevant. But when you are on the margin, minor details matter. Should a man bank on these marginal returns? No. But you need to squeeze all of your marginal knowledge and skill when you are punching above your weight. You need all the help you can get. And… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

The fundamental dilemma is not addressed for each individual man until he comprehends and accepts the reality of “A woman should never be the focus of a mans life only a compliment to it”. The truth of that statement is rooted in the reality that a woman CANNOT be the focus of a mans life. This is true not because she “should not” be, but because literally she cannot be. She cannot function as such. She is incapable of existing as such in reality. Her existence as the focus of his life can only happen in dreams and fantasies. In… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Men’s testosterone peaks during October and wanes during April.

Over the whole planet, or just the Northern Hemisphere?
A pointer to the source would be helpful.

YaReally
6 years ago

@SJF “that he marginalizes this effect for the marginalized man” The marginalized man should be learning game. The dude handing roses to Megan Fox isn’t going to benefit from this ovulation cheat code. Dude needs to hit the field and learn game. And like I say, and I prefaced in EVERY fucking comment lol: I’m talking about it’s effect infield approaching girls, NOT IN PASSIVE SOCIAL CIRCLE MARRIED GUY LTR GAME which is what the “marginalized man” is doing. THAT guy might benefit from it and even then it’s going to be minimal/non-existant return if it’s a girl that’s not… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Not Born This Morning I don’t Tweet, but if I did Illimitable man just dropped another epic post as I was driving down to a cousin’s pre-funeral meet with the family after he died last Good Friday. He was a great man who died at 61 from a melanoma. Heheh. I was reading some of these on my phone as I drove down the highway. And I had a good meet-up with the relatives. It is always easy to talk to relatives upon the death of a good man. He was fun and he added value. IM MAXIM #103 –… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Interestingly, these mid-cycle preferences for hyper-masculine men seem to disappear among women taking birth control medication that suppresses normal ovulation This has been discussed in various places, and some people suggest it is part of the divorce rate: Suzy Carousel rider is on the pill when she approaches the Wall, marries BetaBux. Then a couple of years later she decides it’s sprog time so she goes off the pill, and suddenly BetaBux becomes actually repulsive to her. Well, hurry up and make babee anyway, but he still is somewhat repulsive. Couple that with the normal restlessness women get when their… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@YaReally.

“The marginalized man should be learning game.”

I am 150% behind your statement and the other 0% of me is not so sure.

IOW: No Shit, Sherlock.

I’m a believer. And an enthusiast of red pill and game. Don’t tell me my narrative. I already know it and like it.

All game, including PUA and single man game applies to LTR game. I’ve only said it a million times and will keep saying it.

If I new how to do a good smiley I would, otherwise LOL, Man. I’m on your side of the game.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Anonymous Reader Married men after having two or three babies should advocate for their wife to get an IUD, if appropriate. Rather than hormonal birth control. The effect of the babies on the wife are huge in her scheme for the female stages of manipulation. They are her priority. The man should stay alpha, or alpha up. He should learn or keep supreme Game. (Totally agree with YaReally.) The female will marginalize the male after the babies. Marginalizing the man and sex is a given. And from the cited article: “Testosterone levels also tend to drop when a man enters… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

And men readers and those paying attention here are on a Bell Curve between pinnacle Pua Game and the Rose Guy being a Passive Chode.

So I’m advocating for more guys that aren’t two standard deviations left or right of the mean advancing their sexual strategy.

So maybe I miss-spoke. Forget marginalized (that does sound like Mr. MacChoad). How bout those not above or below two standard deviations.

And for the greater Beta, lesser Alphas. Game is not binary, nor apex at all times.

cheupez
6 years ago

Btw @sentient, I find something about that dream comical. The subconscious is all seeing or shall we say, kind of [hyper] sentient. A human being who is just muscle and no smarts is a Lion. Heheheee… No need to be too bothered, just stand somewhere and watch it pad around. Muscle alpha males risk being treated like game if they don’t apply their intellect, or if they do not have any to apply. People who use smarts can just stand somewhere convenient and watch it roar, get fucked and leave. Hahahahaaaaa… Naked brute force is blind, blind force…and the subconscious… Read more »

TheOldOligarch
TheOldOligarch
6 years ago

It’s quite clear this free range sexual paradigm won’t survive just like it hasn’t before if it ever existed. The west implemented it and people of European descent went from a third of the planet to under 10% and the west is rapidly shrinking economically and socially.

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

My marriage was a textbook case of woman’s dualism. When she was planning to leave to me she told me that before she married it was between me and the man she left me for and she chose me (at that time. She knew him before we ever met.) I was later told, explicitly, that I was “strong” and she needed that at the time, but now she needed something else, more bantering she said. So it wasn’t that I “became beta”, it was that I defined myself as a man, the man I thought I should be, and she… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 years ago

: I really don’t want to have a kid.

trackback

[…] A throw back to this time in 2014 in lieu of a How To this week! Will start alternating throwbacks and How Tos from about now. Inspired to reblog due to Rollo Tomassi’s recent article on the evolution of social behaviours. […]

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@NBTM – One wonders when you will actually read and comprehend what’s being said here? You claim the point/theme here is being obsessed with women and then present to us what you seem to believe is a revolutionary idea about women being complimentary to men – noting with brio that woman cannot fulfill any more important role than that. Bitch, please. Here are just a few of the ideas that completely obviate your comment. Become you own “mental point of origin” – This is a larger idea than just seeing yourself apart from women, it’s about seeing yourself and your… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

Ref throwback Thursday;much to do about nothing.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“The west implemented it and people of European descent went from a third of the planet to under 10% . . .” It’s important to place the current decline in fertility rates, which are global, in contrast to the preceding baby boom. Regression to the mean is not a bad thing. It is often what is necessary to prevent population collapse. In my own lifetime world population has tripled. Taking broad geographic regions, the United States and Canada have had the smallest decline in fertility rates since the end of the baby boom in the world. Europe second smallest, with… Read more »

Roused
6 years ago

From Ya: “She’s not UNRECEPTIVE or UNINTERESTED in tingles and validation and dick from Brad Pitt in his prime macking her, just because she’s bloated. She could be on death’s door but if you say “hey I’ve got Brad Pitt here and he wants to fuck you”, they’re going to rally up. They won’t rally up for their lame husband, but they’ll rally up for a guy with high enough value to them and she’s not going to NOT enjoy Brad Pitt railing her and be like “no thanks, Brad Pitt, I want to to go on this cuddle date… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

Good post however I don’t agree that evolving hypergamy will lead to male competition at least not in competing for women..
Maybe something more like this.
From wikipedia ;Celtic gender and sexual norms “According to Aristotle
,most “belligerent nations”were strongly influenced by their women,but the Celts were unusual because their men openly preferred male lovers.
And this
Isaiah 4:1
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man,saying,”We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel;Only let us be called by your name,To take away our reproach.”

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . perceptive individuals (Forge the Sky) can smell females ovulation.”

And I have postulated that the true, underlying purpose of perfume is to mask this, to keep estrus hidden.

” . . . let us be called by your name,To take away our reproach.””

And this is why marriage, dead so long that even its bones are beginning to decay, remains in practice. A wife is not a whore by affirmative defense.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

I can see why they aren’t banned,in spite of their persistence in emitting odious butt quifes,they are educational and entertaining.
“On one issue at least,men and women agree-they both distrust women”.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Koba wrote:

@Rollo: insanibitch just had to find her way in here, didn’t she sensei?

*Senses his exposure to the Eastern Arts is limited to repeated viewings of The Karate Kid on Encore*

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@superslaviswife – that 2014 piece of yours you linked to above is very relevant here imo (nice writing too – clear). You are alluding to the preeminence of personal agency in human affairs (as is LeeLee in her most recent article).

I like to define personal agency as the belief that we have the ability to make meaningful non-deterministic decisions that therefore also imply personal responsibility for said decisions. This is a mysterious and deep topic for a number or reasons. Hope you got more thoughts around this.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

SJF Married men after having two or three babies should advocate for their wife to get an IUD, if appropriate. Rather than hormonal birth control. I think that even in reduced doses, hormonal contraception probably isn’t a real good idea, you are missing the point almost entirely. It’s not so much the “married woman on the pill” that is the issue, it’s the “single woman on the pill who goes off after marriage and suddenly finds other men attractive” problem. The effect of the babies on the wife are huge in her scheme for the female stages of manipulation. They… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Wild Man: ” . . . the belief . . .”

. . . is not _________.

“This is a mysterious and deep topic for . . .”

. . . you.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Colonel Sanders wrote:

>“This is a mysterious and deep topic for . . .”

. . . you.

OMG sooooooooooo green with envy over W.M’s “explorations”…

*Giggles*

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@Forge I kinda kept track of weeks in the back of my head for a while at work (have a fun flirty vibe w like 6 cute girls there, not gonna shit where I eat tho). that’s a good plan, but every one of those cute girls has at least 2 cute friends who aren’t anywhere around where you eat…lol… girl’s cycles don’t really matter for pua…bc if a girl meets a man ‘alpha enough’ her body will just release an egg anyway/ovulate BC of that interaction…(i’m too lazy to look for the research now, but i think i read… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
6 years ago

@Karen
Everyone can see what people write hear.
@Wildman
There is no such thing as a meaningful non-deterministic decision that implies personal responsibility.Much to do about nothing.
Back to the cornfield with both of you.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Stuffy wrote:

>Everyone can see what people write hear {Sic…OMG}.

Lol…

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