Evolving Hypergamy

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Novaseeker had an excellent breakdown of how Hypergamy has developed and is radically altering a long established social order in favor of one centered on the female sexual strategy. This was timely for a post I was working on, so rather than allow it to be buried in the last thread I thought I’d riff on it a bit here:

So in my head, I tried to think of what the best response to hidden estrus would be from a male perspective, and the only thing I could think of was essentially hiding male horniness, I used the word stoicism. The only way to balance the effects of hidden estrus is for all men to simply appear to not want what a women are offering, to appear uninvested, uninterested, etc.., because this again gives the perception of a lack of abundance to the women and re-balances things. Eventually such behavior would become selected for to some degree, and male emotions would become less prominent.

I agree with what you are saying, although I think it’s important to bear in mind that the expression of female sexuality historically was quite restricted, once we were at a level of more complex social organization beyond the rather small. Things did vary by community and culture somewhat, but once things reached that level of social advance, in most places a woman’s family/kin had a huge control over the expression of her sexuality, with the parents (largely the father) and to a lesser extent her male brothers exerting substantial restrictive pressure on the expression of her sexuality.

I should note here that while there is a definite social structure built around various strategies of mate guarding, these social mores and familial repression of women’s Hypergamous impulses does, in fact, stem from evolved, behavioral adaptations.

Kin Affiliation Across the Ovulatory Cycle : Females Avoid Fathers When Fertile Consider that girls will make subconscious efforts to avoid their fathers during the proliferative phase of their ovulatory cycle. Also, consider girls enter puberty at an earlier age when their fathers are not present in the family. Both of these are examples of phenomena that have a physical manifestation and a latent evolutionary purpose, but socially we build moral/social frameworks around buffering for (or sometimes accommodating) them.

Likewise, there are social controls that span all cultures that have the same purpose of buffering against the predations and mechanics of women’s Hypergamous natures. The most stringent of these might be repressing of women’s sexuality, but the latent purpose is still the same; controlling for paternity assurances.

There was, of course, cheating of the system that took place in terms of women bucking the system covertly, but most women were not sexual free agents in most places most of the time historically, and so were not acting on their estrus, concealed or otherwise at these later points in history. It does seem like something which likely occurred prior to the time we developed significant social organization (which is unclear when it precisely happened, but likely happened gradually quite some time before the development of large-scale agriculture), and is inherited from that earlier time, while the later social structures mostly, or at least in many cases, served to rather severely hem in the expression of female sexuality and free sexual choice to a large degree.

The Feminine Imperative that exists today still uses these historically extreme controls as a baseline for provoking an emotional response among women (and feminized men) today. In spite of the realities of Open Hypergamy and Open Cuckoldry, and paired with the fact that we live in the most sexually permissive society the world has largely known to this point, there is still a necessity to sell a narrative of sexual repression in order to perpetuate a social condition of ‘victimization’ among women and thus perpetuate a status of concern and primary importance.

So I guess my perspective is not that what you are suggesting is incorrect, in terms of the deeper evolutionary inheritance, but that the response of men to this eventually evolved, socially, into the use of social/legal/moral structures that acted as a counterweight to the inter-sexual issues raised by concealed estrus, and that, being social animals, this was itself also a powerfully selected thing (tribes that did not adopt similar restrictive measures did not generally survive except in relatively isolated areas where they were not exposed to the same degree of competition with patriarchal tribes and their sexually restrictive cultures). I suspect it dawned on the males in some tribal groups that the gains to be had from a kind of system of “one girl for (almost) every guy (who isn’t killed in war, or banished or enslaved)” when it came to women, in terms of reducing sex-related conflict among men, became more important when the scale/size of social organization grew beyond the small and moved to a larger, more complex scale, where different structures were needed to ensure cooperation and alleviate conflict which could undermine that cooperation and the scale made possible by it. So in other words, the strategy that men adopted had to do with the needs of the social order and the need for greater cooperation and less conflict once the scale grew to the point where close kinship among the males could no longer feasibly serve as a conflict-reducer effectively.

This was done, of course, at the direct expense of the female sexual strategy, and females have been scratching and clawing against that result in various ways ever since that time, but really have only recently had the success of overturning pretty much all aspects of that restrictive system (while retaining selective elements of it in form, mostly, as it serves their own interests) with the collaboration of most men, by the way, in the process (for various reasons, many of which Rollo has detailed in various posts on this blog). The resulting system is therefore new, and requires men to adapt, which is what we are about doing here, of course. The idea is to have a system which is of a large scale and complexity, socially, and which requires high levels of cooperation in order to function, while at the same time removing the last vestiges of of the “one girl for (almost) every guy” sexual system and replacing it with the freest, most open and adversarial system of sexual competition among males that our species has likely seen since long before the time we evolved into socially-based human groups.

I’ve covered most of the male adaptiveness that Nova mentions here in the Adaptation series of posts. For the short version, however, it’s important to note that even the sexual restrictiveness of women in prior eras were themselves adaptations meant to buffer against women’s conflicting sexual strategy. As I stated in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies, for one sex’s strategy to succeed the other must either be compromised or abandoned. Prior sexual restrictiveness was a repression meant to force women to abandon and later (in monogamy) compromise their own Hypergamy (Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks).

It remains to be seen how feasible this is, longer term, because it is still so new. And the adaptation required by men is substantial, because the change is gargantuan from anything we have experienced in thousands upon thousands of years, in terms of sexual system and related mores. I think relatively few will adapt, and the majority of men will fail at the system, in terms of actually getting what they want. I don’t mean most guys will be incel all their lives, but that their relationships with women will be extremely skewed to the women’s terms, through a combination of outright duping, indoctrination into wishful thinking, and a steady move towards ever more libertine sexual morality for women as a part of the further expression of the Feminine Imperative.

And that comes back to the concealed estrus issue, because the social solution that men in certain groups came up with a long, long time ago (substantial restrictions on female sexual expression) is now pretty much completely removed in this culture, meaning that it is playing a bigger role in human inter-sexual relations than it has been permitted to play in a long time. In fact, the development of reproductive technologies and the related legal regime supporting their free use has augmented the ability of women to utilize this aspect of themselves to tilt the field in their favor, well beyond what nature provided them, in terms of controlling who among the men gets to breed. Again, most men will not be able to adapt quickly enough and will be in lopsided relationships as a result. Other men, like us, are able to adapt and thrive under the new system as individuals, knowing full well we can’t really overthrow something like the sea change in sexual system that we have seen occur, even if we thought that was wise, which it may very well not be. Every man, once he comes to this realization, therefore has a choice to make, really, and a fairly stark one. Most guys have no chance, however, because they are totally subsumed by the feminine primary and never come to a realization of things as they are, and just what the heck happened in the culture, sexually, over the last 100 years or so.

Although my last post may have been on the melodramatic side, the exaggeration is still founded on the same dynamic Nova is getting at here. Since the time of the sexual revolution there has been a complete social abdication on the part of men to have any say in exercising, much less advocating for, prioritizing their own interests in the sexual strategies equation.

It’s gotten to the point that even men’s initiating an approach at the most marginal form of intimacy runs the risk of not just rejection, but legal and social punishments for even taking it upon himself. The onus of sexual selection, as per every legal mandate, is unilaterally placed upon the part of women. The latent purpose of this is to prioritize women’s sexuality and women’s sexual strategy (Hypergamy) above men’s – all while clinging to the pretense of the sexual repressions that they believe still characterize the condition of women.

If you ever wonder at the declining marriage rates, the delaying of marriage until well past women’s prime fertility years, male suicide rates being four times that of women or the rise of men who’ve contented themselves in being single for their lives look no further than this reprioritization of women’s Hypergamy as the socially predominant sexual strategy.

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I would say that attempts at overt male control of covert female sexuality oftentimes amount to window dressing that only serve to help convince the men of their paternity, even when they’ve no reason to be assured of it. Only in cultures like those established by strict Islamic doctrine/Sharia Law can paternity be (mostly) assured by social forces. Outside of that, women can oftentimes have free reign at getting away with good old-fashioned cuckoldry.

 

In a social order founded on Hypergamy, that dynamic demands that men’s utterly abdicate their sexual and biological imperatives to women. This means any paternity assurances, or even the idea that they should matter to a man, must be surrendered to the point that they are literally conditioned and bred out of the consciousnesses of men.


 

I’m hitting upon this in the hopes of prompting some discussion about the aspects of Hypergamy Novaseeker mentions here, but also because I will be discussing much of this with Alan Roger Currie this coming Thursday night on his podcast.

We’ll be talking at 10pm EST/7pm PST and this will be a live call-in format, so if you’d like to participate I’d encourage you to do so. While my appearance is not necessarily an endorsement of Mode One or anything else Currie is selling, I respect him as a thoughtful interviewer and he’s been asking me to appear for some time now.

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Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Scrib, really bro? Lol. Okay man. Her IQ is higher than mine. And she’s a 7+. There is a term for what’s happening to you, and it’s ” sprung “. You’re too easily impressed by cute chicks. That’s a defect brother. I’ve been around long enough to not be impressed by words so much. You have too, or so I thought. I never said the chick was dumb by any stretch, but when guys start attributing High IQ to people willy nilly, I disagree. Either IQ means something ( lord knows I’ve heard enough about IQ shit on the interwebz..)… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

Are there any female comedians who don’t use snark? For that matter, are there any female comedians that don’t talk about themselves all the time?

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“We may see this run its course and implode.”

The concept already has a name: The Fempocalypse.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

>So far, Karen’s just been acerbic and snarky.

Please don’t say mean things about me…I’m only a kitten.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Rollo

I agree; she’s clever and it’s good for a chortle or two but real humor adds insight of some kind.

I wouldn’t mind if she provided some insightful satire of us or something, but these are all basically a verbose equivalent of ‘Nya! You’re stupid!’

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Karen :
“How I believed *you* to be perhaps the most intelligent male in this forum…I kid you not.”
Scribblerg :
“You possess some genuine insight.. She’d be interesting if she engaged more substantively otherwise it’s whatever. But what really is noticeable is how many of you reflexively call her an ugly, dumb slut. Says more about you than her, ”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bQGRRolrg0

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Rollo, What about hypergamy and hamsters would make not want to use her real name of Catie Wayne (boxxy)? Someone so assured of herself surely would want all the fame in her personal life, correct? I will never understand womenz.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Rollo- ” @scrib, if a new guy started commenting here by rattling off the same, old english, fortune cookie, shit in iambic pentameter she is we’d call his bullshit for what it is, LARPing. She’s just a site traffic whore with the current “troll-n-profit” business model I’m seeing on Twitter every day now. Snark is not humor, but it’s the go-to reflex for women because it agrees with their solipsism.” ^^^^^^ This Right Here ^^^^^^^^ Geeez, for a split second I thought I’d lost my mind. I loves Scrib, and nothing will ever change that, even if he questions my… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

June isn’t Catie.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@stuffinbox

We may see this run its course and implode.

No, not quite. The western enlightenment may implode, but Islam would easily pick up the slack. There are few cultures in history as patriarchal and sexually restrictive to women as Islam.

What this brings to mind, is if something akin to Islam is the “final state” of sexually dimorphic carbon-based species with intelligence and imagination. Islam may be the lowest-energy state of currently evolved humanity.

Scary thought.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

@Anonymous Reader: re: rhesus monkey territorial composition and behavior. One of Frank Herbert’s novels describes that situation similarly: females and young in the center, breeding males circle them, and adolescent males at the absolute perimeter. The young males would be subject to the highest attrition via predation, ostracism, and resource scarcity. . My pet theory is the proto-humans in that situation, well, the young males beat feet: steal a female and strike out on your own. Risky, daring, logical. I’d also intertwine hidden ovulation with that: a migratory pair would be selected out via predation with overt estrus (enhanced odor,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Alright, I gotta hit the iron church here a sec, but I hope later to write something a bit more substantive than this sniping-from-the-sides I’ve been doing today. The general takeaway I get from the girls around here these days isn’t ‘filthy liars’ or ‘attention whores’ or anything like that. It’s just….recognize that this is how many young women have fun these days. Also, they’ll be whoever they need to be, perfectly congruently, in their current environment to get what they want. Not saying I’m happy about it (or unhappy); it just is. Girls like being snarky as shit, and… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Forge the Sky

The general takeaway I get from the girls around here these days isn’t ‘filthy liars’ or ‘attention whores’ or anything like that. It’s just….recognize that this is how many young women have fun these days.

The lying demonstrated here is not intended to practice deception. Moths are drawn to flame, but generally make a mess of themselves and the candle once they hit it.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Blax I take personality into account always. I stopped being blinded by looks 40 years ago. I only consider it for LTR. I don’t have to like her personality to pass the boner test. I only have to like her personality to cuddle afterwards. For everyone else, there’s Uber. @Rollo She’s just a site traffic whore with the current “troll-n-profit” business model I’m seeing on Twitter every day now. Exactly. She has nothing to contribute because it’s not a view she truly holds. She holds the view that makes her money and that’s it. Her view will change to whatever… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ newly – ” Someone so assured of herself surely would want all the fame in her personal life, correct? I will never understand womenz.: Remember, we know nothing about this chick other than what she presents to us in the light she wants. There’s no proof that she is self assured. The internet. Lol. If a thing has value, take the value and don’t worship the giver of the value. Appreciate, but don’t start assigning all manner of positives. I appreciate Rollo for creating TRM, and his writings speak for themselves ( minus snark btw ), BUT if Rollo… Read more »

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Scribb pause video at 7 second mark lol:

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong She’s free to make her money however she chooses, it’s just not going to result in any useful commentary around here. Funny part is that the bar for that isn’t very high when people say I have useful commentary. Says a lot about just how useless she really is to us. What is that famous quote, about the level of discourse in society correlated with how strong that civilization is? I’m sure someone here has quoted it before… The mainstream media is failing, but not because their customers suddenly got smarter, it’s because they got technologically lazy and… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sun You never disappoint with your rational mind. ” I only consider it for LTR. I don’t have to like her personality to pass the boner test. I only have to like her personality to cuddle afterwards. For everyone else, there’s Uber.” I agree. If I initially get a shitty vibe, or one that’s not my cup of tea, I have on quite a few occasions went for the bang minus breakfast. After a while I was like ” why bother with chicks that I can’t vibe with?”. Now, don’t get me wrong here, if I was looking for… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

RT thanks for the linkage. Timeless knowledge is Timeless.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Rollo Michelle Fields Is a reporter. The area was crowded. The building was owned by Trump. The Secret Service officers warned this woman twice not to come between them and Donald. Reporters routinely assault each other for access to question someone. In fact as I understand it many legal definitions of battery openly state that you waive your right to be legally shielded from simple battery in a crowded area. Trump owns the building, that means he or his employees can physically throw people out of they feel they need to. The secret service guys were within their rights to… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

Actually, I have to wonder at the timing. Donald also slipped up w.r.t. Abortion the other night. You have to wonder if some of these conservative women actually want abortion to be legal.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

To Karen & Scribblerg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JWdZEumNRmI

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago
Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Blax My opinion basically informs what I tell chicks about Girl Game: 1) Take care of yourself physically. You should do this anyway, so I shouldn’t have to tell you but it seems like I do: if you don’t take care of yourself guys will pick up on it and find you less attractive. They will ignore you for the chick who does take care of herself. They won’t care if you think it’s unfair just like you won’t care if they think it’s unfair you won’t date Nice Guys. 2) Don’t be a bitch. If you want to keep… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

There’s a better video of that one Blax, shows how one thing led to another. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg_cuODF5rU Basically, some anti-Trump protesters decided to mix with the trump crowd. Chants were made back and forth. Girls held signs. An older guy with nearly full grey hair starts arguing with a shorter girl. Then the blonde chick sees this and comes over to get in the older dudes face. They argue back and forth. Older dude is holding paper folded for an envelope and using it to point at her. The paper manages to come into contact with her and she loses control,… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

OMG, lool, the police department held a nearly 30-minute press conference on this totally meaningless incident.
Dear god, I know I keep repeating myself, but I really don’t want to live on this planet anymore…

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

I’ve been accustomed to The Donald for well over 30 years now. I’m no big fan or supporter. But besides his shortcomings as a ( prospective ) leader or the nation, the media has been in full attack mode against him for his views concerning women. Last night’s abortion fiasco is trying to gain legs and stamina. Trump allowing the media to ” make ” him will eventually blow up in his face. The GOP is already desperately trying to distance themselves and deny him the nomination. Like I said, I’m no Trump fan, but people are fucked up and… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Jeremy

Many women are flat out, out of control.

A 30 minute press conference. Bullshit.

But accusations of sexual assault are paramount. Crandle should’ve pressed charges.

If pepper spray is not illegal, the matter should be dropped.

Jeremy
6 years ago

I don’t understand why pepper spraying someone who clearly is throwing punches is not an allowed use of force in defense of others.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“As always, they fail to realize or care that everyone can SEE them in action.”

And every time they see them in action, Trump gains supporters.

“Many women are flat out, out of control.”

Ya think?

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Jeremy

I guess it will depend on the particular laws in Wisconsin.

In Jersey, we are not allowed by law to much in self defense. Pepper spray is allowed in sprayers of only 3/4 ounce.

I’ve been interrogated concerning a baseball bat that was in my backseat.

Women/girls are amped up today because of the way laws are applied to/against men. It’s driving many of them crazy.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
6 years ago

The section has moved on, but, KFG…
Girlie, but in a good way. Gordon Parks circa 1952
http://40.media.tumblr.com/e9f273a3df3c1d899330370a7644a354/tumblr_n09zk0RWjj1qzuo87o1_400.jpg

YaReally
6 years ago

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Facepalm.gif @newlyaloof …you know Shoe0nHead’s not Boxxy right? @all wtf makes you guys think Karen is Shoe0nHead? What did I miss? Did she admit it or something? Shoe0nHead is funny as shit and Armored Skeptic is a boss and the two of them are barfingly adorable together. Shoe raped Aurini while back, it was fucking hilarious, she has better frame control, agree & amplify, self-amusement, lack of ego protection, etc than most of the Manosphere combined: https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/637927794970857473 Roosh got rekt too: https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/685615351397232640 These guys can’t even tell they’re being tooled because they’ve been LARPing for too long. They don’t get… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

You guys overreacting to girls trolling you comes off exactly like the guys they’re making fun of in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvyf3rLM4_A

Plz stop.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

Women/girls are amped up today because of the way laws are applied to/against men. It’s driving many of them crazy.
.
I’m sure this 15-year-old girl fully believes that no one can touch her. That’s what she’s been taught in school: regardless of her behavior there are no consequences for her. Men always pay the price.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@ace: just seen the moment of truth video – brilliant. Solipsism, hypergamy and the hamster in their brilliance…
I mean she fucked the dudes friend (and other guys), but she doesn’t think she “deserves a better husband”…😂😂😂😂😂

Even though it’s fake…man….that’s women for you right there….

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

And, to finish spouting off: an alleged sexual assault? A hand on an brochure which may have poke a breast during an above-lukewarm spontaneous debate in a crowd? That’s sexual?

I really cannot keep up with these new definitions.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

“I’ve done bad things but I love hiiiimmm…”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

And the crowd goes “Awwww….”

(Sigh!) ‘Reality tv’

stuffinbox
6 years ago

@Ya
We had a discussion awhile back about what Karen looks like,and to prove a point I asked her if she had ever been pulled from a bar before closing time.
She never did answer,now I know why,she isn’t even old enough to drink and ashamed to say so.
I can’t sat as I am dissapointed that she isn’t a hog but I would have bet money that she was.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sun ” I’ve worked in to the upper 10% of earnings, the upper .02% of intelligence, and probably the upper 25% in looks. Word is that I’m a pretty amusing son of a bitch to boot and pretty creative too. Now I’m adding Game to the mix? Fatties need not apply. Bitches better like cabs after sex. Cuties with some genuine sweetness to them will be rewarded.” You warm the cockles of my heart man… http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Black-Girl-Crying-Meme-07.jpg The only thing given freely to men is a Hard Time. We have to do the work to get where we want/need to… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@newlyaloof:
” @Rollo, in her case, I’ve seen many girls like her who think wit and sarcasm count as higher IQ points.”

They’re everywhere nowadays, them and ‘sapiosexuals’…gimme a fucking break

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Opps

” The truth, the bottom line is two fold: with ” us ”

Should be ” without “us “.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

I dunno. I don’t pay a lot of attention to what chicks are doing unless they happen to show up here and work at distracting the guys.

It is instructive as long as you see it for all that it is.

But for all of the understanding of RP, it should be a lot easier to engage and then ignore.

I do see much improvement though. IrritableBowel didn’t get nearly as many ” bites ” as she did last year.

I don’t wanna hate on people trying to make a dollar. Some means are more questionable than others though.

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
6 years ago

ROLLO is on LIVE radio now! Call in: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/modeone/2016/04/01/the-rational-male-an-interview-with-author-blogger-rollo-tomassi and FYI Audible engineers have the audiobook version of “The Rational Male” in their studio now.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

There are those people that do things and there are those people that can’t.The ones doing things are busy doing and the ones that can’t stay busy criticizing those that are doing.
The more things change the more they stay the same.

stuffinbox
6 years ago

60k vs 38k,one caters to those whose lips move when they are reading to themselves and the other doesn’t.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@YaReally

wtf makes you guys think Karen is Shoe0nHead? What did I miss? Did she admit it or something?

I am still waiting on an answer to that myself. The flippancy fits. The past of trolling “select” portions of the manosphere also fits. Meh, Shoe isn’t the brightest, but she does a decent job mocking feminists. Her business model is mockery. It makes her a clown.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

There. That’s more like it.

http://ubcmun.org/images/6a00e5509ea6a18834019affe55d1f970d.jpg

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Blaximus writes: >We have to do the work to get where we want/need to be. You’re right, our list is huge. Do you know…where you’re going to…do you like the things that life is showing you? Where are you going? Are you certain that once you get there…it will all be worth it and Everything will be All Right? Maybe Clark Griswold was right…and getting there is half the fun… The role of the soldier is not to enjoy the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow…for enjoyment is contrary to his very Nature…his enjoyment comes only from… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Scribb, all I wanted to riff on one of the first comments on this thread, but didn’t have the time to do it justice till now. “….No, we have something much greater in front of us if we choose to do so. Consider what the likes of YaReally and Rollo are laying out in front of us. We are not the men of old – we understand female strategies now. We can counter them to our benefit and turn women to our purposes once again. [….] “It’s almost like I’ve been waiting for something to happen, to make me who… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Blax – you said: “When we become more and more successful in our endeavors, it is an insult for some chick to dismiss and turn her nose up at us, when they’ve accomplished nothing past expertly applied blush and eyeshadow”. Maybe I’m taking your comment slightly out of context, but there is a tendency to frame things that way, in general here – which continues to baffle me. I have a different impression of what women bring, in my life, than what the sentiment is here. Female behavior as explicated by redpill – yes, but to insinuate that women are… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

@WildMan

Dude… How can you still not get this shit? Lol. Wtf.

@scribblerg what’s this dudes IQ?

They have vaginas. Society values them by default.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

ROFLMAO – It’s amazing how you guys are reacting to this. Keep calling any girl who’s a wiseass a stupid, ugly, whore, slut. Whatever, it’s juvenile. I wonder why she pushes buttons for so many of you guys. And she’s also said some interesting things here, the Stalin sunset quote was epic. I don’t call women whores or sluts if they don’t act like a slut or a whore. I don’t call a woman ugly if she’s not ugly to me. And I don’t call a woman stupid if I don’t think she’s stupid. As for her trolling for traffic,… Read more »

stuffinbox
6 years ago

What gives with this woman-non-accomplished BS,is only the BS that unaccomplished women generate.
Blax knows what he said.

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Andy – are you actually saying the women you know are non-accomplished? You guys just hang with women that just hang around the house and not much more? If that’s the case then man I guess it’s my turn to lol – you dummies – get better women.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

wild man I am speaking of women in general, in today’s climate, in western society. I am speaking of the minimization of the masculine and the forced ascension of the feminine. In a nutshell though, I’m talking about what young men face when trying to date today’s younger females out in the world. The odd attitudes that abound. The feeling of superiority and entitlement that’s sometimes taken to extremes. I dismiss your argument off hand as it reeks of equalism. I’m discussing a much broader range. I’m talking about the lack off appreciation for solid, male accomplishments. http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/14/appreciation/ And more… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Wild When I was in management I had both men and women working for me in supervisory capacity – I experienced very very good supervisors among both men and women, as well as low quality among a minority of men and women alike in this capacity. Women are rare in the doer roles. They’re not interested in being engineers despite to constant blathering about the burning “need” for women in STEM. They’re not knocking down the doors to be roughnecks on a deep sea platform, pipe fitters, welders, plumbers, coal miners, or even shit divers. They don’t go for the… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Short FR: I made myself go play a new open mic tonight. It was at a private ethnic club in town and normally I would have passed but I committed to go out and play more OpenMic game and forced myself. The venue was a lot of locals (i’m in a rural area so it’s definitely downmarket). Being a private club, there was smoking. Lots of drunk people, crowd decent size though 100 or so. Initial scan reveals HB5 or lower uniformly, only 2-3 possibilities. Even more disappointing? It was advertised as acoustic only but there is a 4 pc… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Freebies from The Princess:

1/ Most opinions are rooted in subjectivity.

2/ Most subjectivity is rooted in an “it all depends on whose ox is gored” or “how does this advance my agenda” mentality.

Understand this dynamic and life will proceed *far* more smoothly…

hank holiday
hank holiday
6 years ago

@culum @ya @sfg I have a job in that place I wanted to relocate to. Going to go visit and check things out as while there are some major positives t working there, there are also some pretty big negatives to relocating. But I think I will probably accept. Met the same married woman I met last week. Funny thing is, she’s way more reserved when her husband isn’t around. I got her to touch me a bunch right in front of him last week (she claimed to be a martial arts master lol so I challenged her to do… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Wild Man are you actually saying the women you know are non-accomplished… I work with women 2-3 pay grades above me, who cannot understand what it is that I do. I don’t mean they don’t have the time, I mean they cannot understand what I do. The people they hire don’t make it because those people don’t know how to do the work. The only conclusion I can make is that these women made it that far on pure corporate affirmative action. These same women, when they ask me to describe what I do for presentations, request that I fit… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@YaReally Yeah, she’s just out for a lark. People try to read too much into this shit. This is just how some girls have fun on the internet nowadays. I mean, occasionally there will be some interesting thing to point out about how a girl is acting here, but for the most part I just read this ‘Aaargh behold the FEMININE SOLIPSISM on display she used ‘me’ 8 TIMES in that comment!!!1!” and I’m like http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/d0/d0374478557798edfc964afd006512de457207f70346d8e2ef524a98afd73578.jpg Talk about over-matching to fit expectations. Everyone thought I was being really nice to Emily when I was mostly just bringing up points that… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Lol Sun, I’m thwarting a DoS attack right now so that the ” managers ” can actually access the servers to do their work in the morning.

When they get in, it will be as if nothing ever happened.

Jeremy
6 years ago

She’s clever. So chuckle and move on. Ain’t nothing else to it.

It takes almost no intelligence or effort to shake an etch-a-sketch around and ruin the picture. It takes real skill and effort to put beautiful pictures on it. Clownish behavior is not worth intellectual respect.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Sonny says: >Women are rare in the doer roles. They’re not knocking down the doors to be roughnecks on a deep sea platform, pipe fitters, welders, plumbers, coal miners, or even shit divers. They don’t go for the doer roles, Do you know what that reflects? Harmony with the Universe. Why? Because it is very much in line with Newtonian Principles of Motion: A body in motion will *always* seek the path of least resistance. Why take a difficult, unpleasant job when a more palatable one is readily available? The male; carefully brainwashed and not terribly self aware creature that… Read more »

Sam Botta
Sam Botta
6 years ago

Rollo is NOW on LIVE RADIO call 646-478-5710 Ask Rollo Tomassi Anything Live NOW: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/modeone/2016/04/01/the-rational-male-an-interview-with-author-blogger-rollo-tomassi#

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Hey Sam, congrats on finishing the RM book!

Jeremy
6 years ago

Do you know what that reflects? Harmony with the Universe. Why? Because it is very much in line with Newtonian Principles of Motion: A body in motion will *always* seek the path of least resistance. Why take a difficult, unpleasant job when a more palatable one is readily available? I don’t recall Newton ever saying it that way. I also, having studied physics in detail, don’t see all that much harmony in the universe. It’s mostly a large random sequence of destruction and creation. The universe has little regard for any previous state of matter once new energy arrives on… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“And I read more about negs. Do you really only neg once or twice, and only for really hot girls? Because my whole vibe is older brother to bratty little sister, and I’ve had pretty good responses to outright insulting girls, albiet in a playful manner. What’s the logic in being sparing with negs/insults?” You often don’t need to neg at all. It’s not something to be used reflexively. It’s a tool with a specific context. You use it on girls who are seeing themselves as being on a cloud above you, or who are caught up in their own… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Fyi, Rollo is on the Mode One show right now. http://directapproachdating.com/2016/03/27/rational-male-interview-author-rollo-tomassi/

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“Were you trying to open up a technical discussion on this?”

About as much as this was:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vP7Sf6O-L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

>I don’t recall Newton ever saying it that way

Did you spend a lot of time with Isaac? Was he an old friend of the family?

>it often contradicts itself depending on your length scale.

How long are we looking at? There was an element of truth in Keynes retort to the query about long term damage…”in the long run, we are all dead”…John M. smartly replied…

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Sun – yeah – when it comes to the really physically demanding stuff – men are far better when both brute strength and endurance are called for. Mechanical aptitude – men are generally better. Maths – men like that more and are generally better than women. But to characterize as a doer difference – no – not so much difference Sun. There are a lot of lazy ass useless fucks for men (as among women too). I had exposure to alot of lawyers some of which were women. These women, if they liked there jobs, are just as good as… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Karen – you said: “The male; carefully brainwashed and not terribly self aware creature that he is…he takes *very* seriously his scoutmaster’s admonition to “join the corps”…or “become a man” in some hideously unpleasant occupation. By the time he becomes cognizant of the fact that he is the tragic victim of the longest running confidence game on the books; it is too late.” No – you got that wrong – men do these kinds of jobs because men enjoy it (or at least would rather do that than sit at a desk). This man/woman thing goes both ways – nobody… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

Forgery says:

>About as much as this was:

I have not read the book; but if you believe that *all* that modern society calls mythology is myth…well, you are not wise.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Karen Did you spend a lot of time with Isaac? Was he an old friend of the family? Like you wouldn’t believe. He comes over, has a beer with me, we talk physics, and I try explain to him why anyone watches soccer. How long are we looking at? There was an element of truth in Keynes retort to the query about long term damage…”in the long run, we are all dead”…John M. smartly replied… I think I said length scale, not time. Did you want to discuss time as well? We can talk about that. So in regard to… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

No – you got that wrong – men do these kinds of jobs because men enjoy it (or at least would rather do that than sit at a desk). If that is what a person likes…I am certainly not going to restrain him. However, it seems sort of odd (to me) that laboring in a steel mill (a la The Deer Hunter) and then marching off to SE Asia and a war zone is something the “rational” male would derive pleasure from. I could be wrong though…Walken’s plea to be sent “where the bullets are flyin’…where the fightin’s the worst”…maybe… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Jeremy – you said: “work with women 2-3 pay grades above me, who cannot understand what it is that I do. I don’t mean they don’t have the time, I mean they cannot understand what I do. The people they hire don’t make it because those people don’t know how to do the work. The only conclusion I can make is that these women made it that far on pure corporate affirmative action” Yeah – you probably should be in their role then (unless their role requires skills you don’t have and also isn’t contingent on understanding your work, so… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Karen However, it seems sort of odd (to me) that laboring in a steel mill (a la The Deer Hunter) and then marching off to SE Asia and a war zone is something the “rational” male would derive pleasure from. Oh, it’s certainly odd. It’s odd for someone who has never been treated as a disposable, invisible person who must prove himself to be recognized to understand how internalized disposability becomes in those of whom it is expected. It becomes so internalized that men will literally think better of themselves for sacrificing their lives for others. I suppose, from the… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

>So in regard to Keynes retort, have you considered any responsibility the current generation might have to future generations? Our first responsibility is to ourselves…if We do not survive…then what happens later is a moot point. However, the question of balance is a legitimate one. Should resources be despoiled to the point where nothing remains for our potential posterity? I don’t think so…as Bud Fox says, “How many yachts can you water ski behind?” There is the common sense element…as a man can only eat one steak at a time. “Hey Frank…do you know what a Hasa is?” This calls… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
6 years ago

@Karen – well, the Deer Hunter – that was a pretty good movie (both Walken and Streep – really good in that movie) – I sure did groove on that. Near the beginning of the movie, the exuberant aggressiveness of the group of men, all the friends – the movie showed that pretty well. Men are like that. But yeah – life can really fuck you over and maybe even make you want to put a gun to head – but come’on – just cause guys like to whoop it up doesn’t mean it’s gotta turn out the gun-to-head way.… Read more »

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

>Oh, it’s certainly odd. It’s odd for someone who has never been treated as a disposable, invisible person who must prove himself to be recognized to understand how internalized disposability becomes in those of whom it is expected.

You are correct. Every American female is living the life of The Real Housewives of Beverley Hills…it is just a never ending hayride.

Where do these people come from?

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

>Forge the sky and his baseball photographs…

You are very disrespectful. Argue your point; if you cannot do so…dispense with the childishness.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Karen Our first responsibility is to ourselves…if We do not survive…then what happens later is a moot point. That sounds like solipsism. You didn’t mean to let that show, did you? Yeah, truth be told, if we don’t survive then there’s a problem. But outside of a nearby star going supernova or a major asteroid/comet impact on Earth, I don’t see a major risk to humanity. Do you know something of some alien invasion on the way? Should resources be despoiled to the point where nothing remains for our potential posterity? Great question, glad you asked. Did you ever stop… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Karen You are correct. Every American female is living the life of The Real Housewives of Beverley Hills…it is just a never ending hayride. Where do these people come from? Geez, calm down, no need to dive into your imagination and attribute words to me that I didn’t say. I’m simply saying that calling men “stupid” for sacrificing, when you live under the very blanket of freedom and safety that they provide, is hypocritical. I never said your every day life is that of a rich single woman. What this is, honey, is a scary, close-encounter with reality that you… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago
Jeremy
6 years ago
Karen
Karen
6 years ago

>I’m simply saying that calling men “stupid” for sacrificing, when you live under the very blanket of freedom and safety that they provide, is hypocritical There is perhaps nothing more abhorrent than rewriting history to support a false narrative. What were my words? “Brainwashed and not terribly self aware.” The first implies overt manipulation by *another*…the second is partly a characteristic of the individual…but materially different from “stupid”…which implies low intelligence. Lacking self awareness and stupidity are two different things; they are not synonymous…they are not congruent…even though your verbal legerdemain might have the readers believe that. Half a truth… Read more »

Junior
Junior
6 years ago

@YaReally

hallelujah. The continued feeding of attention whores here & elsewhere is a waste of everyone’s time. I’m a little stunned that even Rollo responds to people like Emily here.

I can’t even begin to imagine how anyone takes ShoeOnHead’s tweets as being anything but self-amused trolling. Frame control 101.

@all

essentially ANYTHING else you choose to do with your time is of greater value to your personal growth than responding to women commenting here.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

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Karen
Karen
6 years ago

I wrote: “Should resources be despoiled to the point where nothing remains for our potential posterity?”

He wrote:
“Great question, glad you asked”

I did not pose that question; I answered it…my post reflects this. I would copy and paste the answer you (again) conveniently omitted…but considering what Parker (preceded by Matthew) once noted about pearls & canines….well…even *you* can figure that one out.

*Smirks*

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

Parker also once noted something about horticulture.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

I wrote:

>but considering what Parker (preceded by Matthew) once noted about pearls & canines….well…even *you* can figure that one out.

Pearls & swine!
Hogs & canine!
What saith The Wall?
Waste not thy time!

*Is that a triple entendre?*…I think I saw that on NBC…or at least *tried*.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Hey Scribb, sounds like a good low-key night out all told.

Abundance mentality works for social groups too. No HB6+? Well, all these people have friends, acquaintances, hot daughters….

It’s like @HABD was pointing out to me earlier (and I totally misinterpreted at first lol)- if I know 6 girls and each of them has 2 friends….

These things have inertia. And social circle game is easy game.

We’d like to end up, for the sake of personal growth, at being able to operate w/o that crutch, sure. But in the meantime….

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