Does anyone remember the episode of the Twilight Zone called “It’s a Good Life“? I rewatched this for this article and I’ve got to stay it still holds up and it’s just as creepy as when I watched it as a kid.
Six-year-old Anthony Fremont looks like any other little boy, but looks can be deceiving: he is a monster, a mutant with godlike mental powers, including mind-reading. Years before, he isolated his town of Peaksville, Ohio. Everybody is under his rule, even his parents. Since he’s begun isolating the town, supplies of common household items, such as bar soap, have been dwindling. He has blocked television signals, caused cars to not work, and, due to his controlling everything, he does not attend school.
The children and adults, including his own parents, tiptoe nervously around him, constantly telling him how everything he does is “good,” since displeasing him can get them wished away into a mystical “cornfield”, an unknown place, from which there is no return. At one point, a dog is heard barking angrily. Anthony thinks the dog is “bad” and doesn’t “like [him] at all,” and wishes it into the cornfield. His father and mother are horrified, but they dare not show it.
One night, due to the townsfolk having always done what he wants, he treats them to one hour of TV. Although they do not like what he shows, they tell Anthony that it was far better than what used to be on TV.
Finally, at Dan Hollins’ birthday party, he gets two presents from his wife: a bottle of brandy and a Perry Como record. As Dan is eager to listen to the record, he is reminded by everyone that Anthony does not like singing. Getting slightly drunk from the brandy, complaining about not listening to the record, and no one singing “Happy Birthday” to him, Dan cannot take the strain anymore and confronts Anthony, calling him a monster and a murderer. While Anthony’s anger grows, Dan yells for someone to attack Anthony from behind and end his reign of terror. Aunt Amy (who isn’t able to sing anymore because of Anthony) tentatively reaches for a fireplace poker, but no one has the courage to act. Anthony cries out to Dan, “You’re a bad man! You’re a very bad man! And you keep thinking bad thoughts about me!” Dan is transformed into a jack-in-the-box (ending his life), causing his wife to break down. The adults are horrified at what Anthony had done, and his father begs him to wish it into the cornfield, which he does.
Because of Amy’s earlier complaints about the heat, Anthony causes snow to begin falling outside. His father observes that the snow will kill off at least half the crops, and he is about to confront Anthony about this, but his wife and the other adults look on with worried smiles on their faces. The father then smiles and tells Anthony in a horror-tinged voice, “…But it’s good you’re making it snow. A real good thing. And tomorrow… tomorrow’s gonna be a… real ‘good’ day!”
I didn’t really understand the significance of this episode until recently. In a sense I guess I can attribute it to a more defined Red Pill Lens but the femosphere events and a few articles brought to my attention this last week reminded me of this Twilight Zone story. I’ll get to why in a bit.
The first event was the highly publicized not guilty verdict in the Jian Gomeshi rape (hoax) trial. Mike Cernovich had a quick hit post about the details here. I’ve written about the particulars of why women’s insecurity about optimizing Hypergamy drives them to insane lengths to control for it before, but my focus this time with Gomeshi wasn’t so much about the women’s lying, or the ambiguity of what constitutes rape or sexual harassment. When the Rolling Stone/UVA fraternity rape hoax was finally revealed for what it was I wrote Hysteria :
Transferring information about a man’s preselected approval amongst a collective of women is one such override. However, it’s very important for men living in a feminine-primary social order to understand that social proof is not just limited to preselection of men as potential partners.
This social proof dynamic extends to the perceptions of women in a collective peer group, as well as men for whom they have no sexual interest in, but serve their material interests nonetheless.
The current cultural atmosphere of male suspicion and autonomous rape-threat assessment of men is another variation of this perceptual, hysterical, collective belief dynamic. Women want to believe in the presumption that every man outside of their preselected, collective approved, hypergamous ideal is a potential rape threat. In other words, a man who might, by force or coercion, assume control of her hypergamous sexual selection.
The narrative, the perception, is all that matters.
[…]women become so ego-invested in the certainty of their collective perceptions that, even in light of contrary evidence, the only acknowledged verification of that perception is how it makes them feel.
This contradiction of a collective feminine hysteria is what many luminaries of the Feminine Imperative are now being forced to confront. It’s important to remember during this UVa / Rolling Stone rape debacle that women, and more than a few enabling male sympathizers, wanted to believe this travesty was true in spite of the vaudevillian outlandishments and still refuse to accept that it isn’t.
The overwhelming zeitgeist consensus in this case was that the women concerned in Gomeshi’s rape trial were to be believed irrespective of facts that exonerated him. And so strong was this sentiment that suggesting the suspension of the most fundamental aspects of law was the first recourse to be considered – that consideration is to change the presumption of guilt where it affects the accusations of men by women.
Once again, just as in the UVA rape hoax, we see a feminine-primary collective social consciousness moved by a need to believe in order to maintain a collective ego-investment in that social order’s correctness. And all of that in spite of all controverting, unignorable evidence. However, the feminine conditioned reflex for feminine defined ‘justice’ in this regard has been taken a step further – an accusation of rape or sexual assault is as good as a conviction.
I can’t be too sympathetic for Gomeshi. He built his reputation on being a social justice warrior and a self-evincing ‘male feminist, but just like another notable male feminist, Hugo Schwyzer, he’s had to learn the hard way that feminist Game comes with a substantial risk.
However the salient point I took away from his trial wasn’t that women are duplicitous or a feminized society being too ready to unquestioningly presume the veracity of another woman’s rape claims. Neither was it unexpected that a need to believe that presumed guilt would come up. What struck me was the push for control, for absolute unilateral arbitrative power to condemn a man for the accusation of sexual misconduct.
What struck me was that the Feminine Imperative should seek to nakedly place itself above a rule of law that is otherwise founded on a logical, rational process of checks and balances (or at least intends to do so).
As the protests and debate swirled around Gomeshi I was also made aware of a review of a new book Girls & Sex: Navigating the Complicated New Landscape
An economics major taking a gender studies class is getting dressed in her college dorm room for a night out, cheerfully discussing sexual stereotyping in advertising with Orenstein — while at the same time grabbing a miniskirt and a bottle of vodka, the better to achieve her evening goal: to “get really drunk and make out with someone.” “You look hot,” her friend tells her — and the student, apparently registering the oddness of the scene, turns to Orenstein. “In my gender class I’m all, ‘That damned patriarchy,’ ” she says. “But . . . what’s the point of a night if you aren’t getting attention from guys?” Her ambition, she explains, “is to be just slutty enough, where you’re not a prude but you’re not a whore. . . . Finding that balance is every college girl’s dream, you know what I mean?”
Author Peggy Orenstien serves up the same reheated feminist alarmism for her young daughter that Hannah Rosin did 8 years ago. However, Orenstien escalates the narrative much in the same vein that the feminist reaction to Gomeshi has. She defines it for us:
For guys, she says, there is fun and pleasure; for girls (at least the straight ones), too little physical joy, too much regret and a general sense that the boys are in charge. Fully half the girls in Orenstein’s book say they’ve been coerced into sex, and many had been raped — among them, by the way, that econ major, who was so confused that when her assailant dropped her off the next morning, she told him, “Thanks, I had fun.” The sexual playing field Orenstein describes is so tilted no girl could win.
Orenstein presumes the control of a girl with a handle of vodka and dressed ‘just slutty enough’ rest entirely with the boys she’s making out with and more. They are ‘assailants’ by definition – a definition that depends on the Hypergamous whims of the woman involved.
I drew parallels between these stories because they are indicative of a trend I predicted a couple years ago – in a social order that prioritizes Hypergamy as the intersexual priority, men who wont cooperate with it must be legislated into complying with it. But as it develops now this doesn’t go far enough; men must be preemptively convicted of the crime of sexual misconduct before the they are ever judged worthy of a woman’s sexual interests. In other words, men are ‘assailants’ for the very attempt of presenting themselves for the intimate approval of women.
Monday’s Price of Nice post and the femosphere response to men’s want to be Nice in order to ingratiate themselves in the hopes that they might endear a woman to him highlights this even further. Men being ‘nice’ are by definition ‘assailants’.
But it’s not enough to discourage men’s niceties, they must be taught to fear the attempt of initiating anything looking like intimacy. They must fear being whisked away to the cornfield for not thinking the right way about the women they would hope to find favor with.
Commenter SJF had a poignant comment this week:
Infantile as they are, women are ill-equipped to handle power, and that which is born out of the insecurity that a man may do her wrong, turns into an exploitative, predatory misuse of power that fuels grandiose narcissism, and thus masculinizes her. The aforementioned relationships between the different aspects of the female psyche do not explain in it in its entirety, but nonetheless, should accurately depict its root and core.
Which brings us back to our six year old Anthony Fremont in the Twilight Zone episode. On a social scale we are rapidly approaching a time where coddling the childish impulsivity of women will dictate not just the rule of law for men, but will define the nature of men’s dealing with women on a fear based level. In fact we’re already beginning to see this in the workplace.
Taken to its intended and illogical extreme, given unilateral God-like arbitration of men in every aspect of society, politics, religion, academia, etc., women and their imperatives would define intersexual relations much in the same way as Anthony does with the ‘adults’ he controls.
@jermy.
Don’t forget the Arabs were one of the many Savage products of Mess- O potamia.(cradle of civilizations!).
I think. Old A-rab men buried infants (boys&girls) who were born out of wedlock (sorry ,it happens sometimes!) , and somehow buried girls for the do it yourself natural selection when you end up with so many daughters and not enough boys to attack the other Savage tribe .
@kfg “And she not only wrote, but directed it.” yeah but “[m]any elements of White Girl, Wood’s debut feature film, are inspired by her time as a college student in New York (she received her BFA from The New School and MFA from Columbia). Not necessarily things she went through herself—some of them are, but it’s not an autobiography—but rather a combination of what she experienced and what she witnessed.” women can lie in either direction more or less ‘slutty’ so it’s hard to say how true to life it actually is like, if a MAN made the movie ‘white… Read more »
” I mean, how else does a place with no rain have a sheet of ice that is 4,000 meters thick? ” The same way petroleum accumulates millions of years of solar energy, gradually over time. “Antarctica is basically like nowhere else on earth . . .” That’s the truth. “I don’t want to sound disrespectful, but there’s no objective way to quantify just how hard different peoples had it in comparison.” My lived experience suggests otherwise, and one metric I would use would be the rate of infanticide (which rises when life is too hard and when life is… Read more »
In today’s world, daughters are killed via abortion or shortly after birth in India and China in significant numbers and historically in very large numbers in numerous cultures and places not desert like at all. “Killing baby girls, or allowing them to starve to death, is something most of us cannot imagine. But it occurs even today. As shocking and disturbing as this behavior is, however, we must look at in within its cultural context. According to Scheper-Hughes (1987), neglect or killing of children may reflect a “survival strategy” that the family adopts. Parents might decide to invest more heavily… Read more »
@kfg The practice of Sati originated with a group of women who immolated themselves, rather than being taken captive and made sex slaves by the invading Muslims, after their men had been defeated. All the religious connotations and obligations “for honor” developed as post hoc rationalization long after the reason for it had ceased to exist. I’m going to ask for a source, not as proof, literally just for my own curiosity. As I understand it, most of what exists from before the 7th century Arab world is all oral history, making it non-historical but in other ways perhaps more… Read more »
“Parents might decide to invest more heavily in their “best bets” and neglect the rest.”
The desert is not the reason, the desert is one of the causes of the reason. The reason is the need to limit population and at the same time maintain physical power for labor and combat.
Other environments can result in similar needs. If you live in a rice culture you may actually improve your lot by moving to a desert. It’s a fucking disaster.
And need I point out that Western Civilization is shattering all previous records for infanticide?
What I came up with in a few seconds (my own sources are dead tree print, from when I was studying under a Hindu (it was the 60’s, cut me some slack)):
https://www.quora.com/Indian-Tradition/What-are-the-origins-of-the-practice-of-sati-in-India
I think that if, in this time, we regularly see selective abortion of females in places like India to deal with poverty, it logically follows that many cultures in past ages would have practiced female infanticide when things were tough.
And ofc, aborting a baby almost as bad as burying your daughters alive. But thats another topic.
keyser Soze March 28th, 2016 at 11:58 am @jermy, “Did you know in early Islam ONLY beautiful women were required to be Veiled!. (then the ugly women -early feminists- met with Mo and asked him : that wasn’t fair) then, all women had to be Veiled.” I can’t find anything supporting this. Did find is this: Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) wearing thin clothes. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma’, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays… Read more »
If you really want to see how early human lived, forget baboons , just read about the ISIS Savages.
They keep young beautiful women , and the ugly old one either get killed or given away(just before he blows himself up,lol) to a lower rank isis Savage.
“Ya, honestly, I did not expect it to generate this much discussion, I was throwing something at the wall.” Nah, this is good though! Like I said, I haven’t heard that particular wrinkle before. May as well hash it out. It looks like the discussion is centering around the interaction of biology and culture in developing each other. Complex feedback loops are difficult to get a real grasp on: @Rollo “@Nova, I’ve considered a lot of what’s been written about human’s capacity to rejigger evolution and environment to meet specific existential goals or evolutionary problems. And while it’s fairly obvious… Read more »
@Forge, a lot of what you’re driving at here can be explained by adaptive symbiosis between organisms. A large shark and a cleaner wrasse are separate organisms but because of their symbiosis they evolved differently than they would have without that relationship. The wrasse doesn’t “decide” to help the shark by feeding from its skin and aiding it by cleaning it of bacteria (or whatever), but both become differently evolved critters. Now extrapolate that dynamic to more socially complex animals like primates and then humans. It’s been argued that the willful influence of human beings on their own environmental and… Read more »
^Didn’t read that, but I agree with Forge 🙂
Keyser, that sounds overly simplified, probably untrue and rather irrelevant.
Oh god, I hope culture influences future biology. I want future women to wonder why their boobs are so big they have to exercise often to keep a strong enough core to walk straight.
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Off-topic: there’s a
moderately interestingtediously boring,somewhat purpleblue pill Australian tradcon blog that used to be offline for years but is apparently back.Meh. Mark Richardson isn’t very bright and doesn’t seem able to learn much. He’s also very backward looking, in the “Well, in MY day…” sense that is so common among tradcon Betas.
@scribblerg “1. Idealism – Masculine idealism caused me to develop an automatic shaming mechanism of my sexual agency, aggression and general wildness. Consider how important it is to society as a whole that men do this to themselves. It’s not just the FI – it’s a eusocial adaptation reinforced with social conditioning and institutions that is pounded into you from the moment of birth. In a very real way, this idealism IS the matrix. First step, see it. See that executive function in your consciousness which monitors you and shames you and tells you that your impulses are wrong. Just… Read more »
@Forge – Now factor into that global social structures and culture influenced by global communications and travel. Just think about this site – here we are, anonymous and distributed across at least two or three continents, interacting. The complexity of social systems has increased in unimaginable and unprecedented ways. Factor in that we can now program genetics – and those efforts will also be affected by social systems. Emergence is unpredictable yet guaranteed in such a system. The future of the interplay between human biological, social and technological evolution will change our species in ways nobody can predict. Fast forward… Read more »
“If you can’t imagine it, just go back 100 years and consider how different things were.”
And then contemplate the fact that that is within living memory for about 40,000 Americans.
FUCKING HUGE POST ENJOY: @walawala “Right, but the dude is feeling the dread of being incel and then suddenly feeling like he’s part of something that society demands he be part of to be accepted. He’s convinced he has to do whatever he can to save it” Oh I GET it lol We’ve all been there. It’s a running joke in the PUA community that guys will learn PUA and be making good progress but then lock down with the first decent 7 they get who isn’t remotely perfect but is better than they’ve ever had before and they retire… Read more »
Useful to see someone mention The 10,000 year explosion in this context. Since controlling female reproduction is crucial to the survival not only of nomads but hunter-gatherers, pastoralists and also farmers, it should be no surprise that some form of monagamy came to exist in various cultures. It should also be no surprise that some form of polymarriage, be it Middle Eastern harems, East Asian “second wife” or mistresses also came to exist. I third or fourth or whatever Novaseeker’s comments as a distillation of things he’s written in various places over the last 5 or more years. It’s worth… Read more »
I found a video of InanitySucks…
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPq5yX5SIsc&w=560&h=315%5D
[…] bubbling to the surface of my mind when I read the latest from the Rational Male, on the collective reaction to the Jian Ghomeshi verdict. And it’s not so much that specific […]
I am so turned off by the unleashed hypergamy of women… I will not stay with any girl past 40 unless she is loaded and paying my way.
@LeeLee – Wow, are you going to stir up a shit-storm with that piece. Thanks for writing it. I have a slightly different take. What happened to you was coercion and coercing someone to have sex with you isn’t rape. I get what you are saying about taking responsibility for yourself, but I also am not sure I agree that every time a woman goes back to a guy’s place or gets in her car that she should feel she’s putting herself in jeopardy. Context matters a lot. You go back to a guy’s place at 1 am on the… Read more »
“You’re just pulling a feminist style argument trying to attack the guy’s character to discredit his advice” his advice is sound(ish). his shit was funny, rang true and his turn on arrested development was fucking hilarious. but in the end he ate himself to death (not the sign of a strong man but in fact someone using food to numb some kind of psychic pain). if we reverse engineer from that endpoint (at what should have been the beginning of the prime of his life) and analyze the logic that led to that sad conclusion, then maybe keeping a chick… Read more »
Scrib, I agree with you about idealism and by extension I’m a moral nihilist of sorts(I believe morality is purely subjective opinion, although I do believe doing certain things are right or wrong). How do you motivate yourself when you’re bummed? I made self improvement my mission, but in the end, if I smoke weed all day and fuck a couple of my exes instead of reading, approaching. It’s just hard to make myself excited to do anything on those days.
@TheOldOligarch – Hey there. First, I don’t smoke weed much at all anymore. I think it’s terrible for motivation. Second, I use The Sedona Method Release Technique to release negative emotions as I know nothing good gets done in a bad headspace. I’m now working on higher level concerns such as being highly productive and effective and motivated and staying in flow state as much as possible. By shooting higher, I raise my floor. I got a good recommendation this weekend from Jeremy I believe, on how to deal with procrastination. Jeremy recommended a book The Now Habit and I’m… Read more »
Scribblerg, I reduced my drug usage only to weekends for productivity reasons too and I use a scheduling app to deal with procrastination(I have ADD so this is a struggle). What I meant is what do you tell to yourself/do to reframe your own emotional state when you feel demotivated? Because idealism helps you push yourself forward even when you feel like laying in bed all day. Being totally in control over the way my life is going in the sense of eschewing all social control of my actions feels paralyzing on days when I’d just call my boss and… Read more »
@scribblerg “what are you doing on the 3rd date going back to his place late at night if you aren’t DTF?” Someone should consider writing up a thought experiment where if women knew they could be raped legally inside a man’s home, maybe they wouldn’t go back to a guy’s place at 1am when he’s half-drunk if they aren’t DTF. 😉 http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape @fleezer So don’t take diet advice from him. brb ignoring Einstein’s theory of relativity because he didn’t have a 6-pack or was depressed. brb ignoring soccer advice from David Beckham because he’s not good at chess. Dude wasn’t… Read more »
@ya “Consider that quote from this perspective you’re (scray) starting to think about.” oh for sure. and then it’s just like…..MANY OTHER things get MUCH MORE CONFUSING but i mean, it’s just starting to get very EASY. like I don’t take rejection personally AT ALL because i’m just like ‘well….if were alone, it’d be over, so whatever.’ and i mean, society has a vested interest in pushing bullshit in your face about how you suck shit and aren’t good enough, so of course the ONLY guys you WILL EVER SEE get SOCIAL REINFORCEMENT for ‘player’ behavior are ones who adhere… Read more »
Lee Lee’s post is yuck on so many levels. I”ll leave aside how a good Christian girl gave in to having sex with a relative stranger so easily… But I have to say, coercing someone to have sex with you is (mostly) rape. Especially when the person you are demanding sex from repeatedly refuses before finally giving in. If someone corners me in an alley and tells me he won’t let me go home unless I have sex with him.. that IS rape. Your eventual consent doesn’t matter because it was FORCED, just like it doesn’t matter if the girl… Read more »
So by Emily’s definition, if a guy is mentally conditioned and coerced by his fiancé to believe he’s a porn addict and his only sexual option should be with her and on her duplicitous terms, that woman is in fact a rapist herself when that guy finally does have sex with her.
Technically it’s coerced sex.
@scray “but i mean, it’s just starting to get very EASY. like I don’t take rejection personally AT ALL because i’m just like ‘well….if were alone, it’d be over, so whatever.’ ” This. There’s a big shift guys have to make when they first start approaching girls where they understand that the girl isn’t rejecting THEM. She doesn’t KNOW “them”, she knows the little glimpse they gave her of themselves and if they half-assed it or she has social conditioning that won’t let her experience you (like a snobby girl looking down on a dude in a t-shirt) she’s not… Read more »
I am an European man living in Latin America and it may be due to race, but my experience is that, inside a relationship, women are far more sexual than men (although they can freeze this sexuality during dry spells). I guess that Western women are more frigid than Latin American ones. Anyway, I have never understood people telling men are hornier. It’s like you guys live in a parallel Universe.
Unreal: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/elon-musks-divorce-could-cost-154020180.html From TRP: “Wtf. This is the 2nd divorce he is getting from the SAME woman! Can you imagine getting divorced raped twice from the same person? Wth.” “It gets better. Since his pre-nup was used for the last divorce, rumor is he doesn’t have one for this current marriage. Under California law, if they share a residence, all of the capital gains he’s made since the marriage are up for asset division. He will lose his massive influence at Tesla and SpaceX due to a 50% loss of founder level shares. This could sink both companies.” “Wait seriously?… Read more »
Nice post Rollo. Where I thought you were going with the whole Twilight Zone analogy is men pretty much had to remain silent regarding the Ghomeshi verdict or suffer a “misogyny” backlash. Every guy I spoke to about it understood and agreed with why he was not convicted but no one felt comfortable speaking about it around women. What I also found interesting is all the anger women felt and the call for a change to system, when it seemed to me that the system actually worked! It would have been far more troubling if he was found guilty based… Read more »
@ya that musk article makes me weep inside. I cannot believe this. What if we don’t get to Mars because of this? Shit.
All y’all heed the warning signs, it doesn’t matter how smart or rich or whatever, there is a greater than 50 percent chance you will get fucked, respect the statistics.
@Ya – As they say in Texas, you are being “Too clever by half.” If a woman goes back to a guys place after the third date at 1 am, she should understand that she’s telegraphing an interest in SEX with the guy, not RAPE. And if there is a bit of handsiness or persistence, she should understand she’s given some mixed messages and that guys might to persist a bit when she initially pushes back against his sexual advances. Big difference between that and rape, and no thought are experiments required to understand this. From your commentary and your… Read more »
@Ya and Scray et al – I’m having serious mindset issues getting beyond initial approach. It seems I feel entitled to approach any woman and have no “I’m too old to talk to this hottie” stuff in my head, but then as I get deeper in the set, I start feeling like I’m too old and it destroys me. I usually bail actually, or the vibe just turns into me being paternal. Serious question: Is there such a thing as too old to pick up young hotties? I’m 53. When should a man stop pickup? This is the conversation in… Read more »
@scribblerg — I completely agree that context matters. And that language matters. As far as context, for me, I would say the less personal choice/agency involved that led up to the coercive sex, the more it’s rape. If you cut all of my choices from the story and switched the setting from a bathroom in a populated building to a field next to a deserted highway or something, that’s about enough to now make it a rape story. But cutting all those personal choices just to make it easier to identify what is and isn’t rape is exactly what feminists… Read more »
@scribblerg – I’m only 36 so no personal experience of the dyamic you’re talking about (although sometimes it hits me when talking to 18-19 year olds in kiddie clubs especially with the amount of grey hair I have) but even in these comments, I think HABD is early 50s and Sentient is close to 50 and they do pickup. In my own life, two of my best wings (over several years) were mid-40s and settled down at 45ish to have kids etc with 26-27 year olds. I think Ozzie from RSD is late 40s. One of the best commenters on… Read more »
PS – And of course, whether or not you fall into “silver fox” territory is an emotional decision, not a logical one.
@Scribb, I’m not your age, but I’d simply say that if your dick still works and still gets hard over the thought of young hotties, then go with it. Not saying it’s easy because I know my body aches all the time and things are different now that I’m in my 40s. But get out of your head a bit and just enjoy what biology is telling you:
@Emily – Do you know the difference between coercion and using force? Do you know the difference between kidnapping and rape? The law does, perhaps you should read it sometime. If a guy keeps trying and cajoling and shaming and trying to talk you into ses, or even threatens to do something non-physical to you like not drive you home or tell your friends that he fucked you anyway, that’s coercion. Fyi, that is not a crime nor is it anywhere near rape. If a guy physically stops you from leaving, that can be kidnapping or imprisonment or other charges… Read more »
Oh and PPS – Of course in your case it’s *even more* important to remove social consequences for the girl and be discreet because it is still something people look down on for a guy in his 50s to be with a girl in her 20s for all the reasons YaReally and Scray mention and which David Spade talks about in that clip YaReally posted
@scribblerg – on the rape stuff – I broadly agree with your point, but just to note that depending on the state involved and other fine legal details, consent given under threat of violence or when falsely imprisoned etc may not be considered valid consent.
This stuff is highly fact and location specific but for our purposes we just need to know that in some circumstances, even if consent is given, it may still be considered rape because the consent is not valid (under threat of violence, consent by a child etc).
@LeeLee – No, the location wouldn’t matter. Coercion doesn’t turn into force until the point is reached force is used. There is also room for the threat of the imminent use of force, but that is not based on you being scared, in the legal world it’s based on a “reasonable person” standard. For example, if he has a knife and is brandishing it and says, “Suck it or I’ll cut you” and is close enough to you for him to do so, then that’s a reasonable perception of the imminent use of force. But him glowering and you scared,… Read more »
@scribbler
Amazing denial on her part. LeeLee came out and said that “She followed him downstairs”… “She walked into the (small) bathroom willingly” …” She gave in”
None of those facts matter, because, outrage, hysteria….
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/This-is-an-outrage-570×445.jpg
It is a sign of a truly unbalanced life when you seek to redefine someone else’s experiences for your own satisfaction.
@Culum – Yeah, it varies by state on the false imprisonment thing and then there are terroristic threats and menacing statutes and all that too wrt any threats being made. As for the threat of violence, the “reasonable person standard” always applies and the threat has to be imminent, which is a very high standard. The threat has to be overt, not just based on a person being scared.
@scribblerg: . . . but then as I get deeper in the set, I start feeling like I’m too old and it destroys me. I usually bail actually, or the vibe just turns into me being paternal. . I understand – I’ve experienced similar thoughts at similar times. After introspection I’ve determined that it’s my hackles going up saying I really don’t want to get involved beyond “now” with that particular woman. I.e. I sense a mission impact. . Perhaps your experience is telling you something—not that you’re an old man but reminding you of something that is more important… Read more »
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“Sorry kids, no space exploration, this chick’s vagina shoots out magic fucking rainbows that were worth sacrificing the fate of the entire human race lol” bwahahaha, poor guy. @yareally you’re on fire lately man. Patrice O’Neal was a genius. I have mad respect for people that figured life out like that on their own. I like to think of myself as enlightened, but part of me wonders how long (if ever) it would have taken me to figure this shit out without finding you guys. Another genius? Mystery. Holy Shit. I’m about 1/2 way through MM. Mind. Blown. What a… Read more »
@TheOldOligarch – Ah, I get it. A couple of thoughts, and it would be great if SJF can weigh in as he’s really dived deeply into this and his INTJism makes for a great didactic style while i’m more informal. That said. – You sound kind of depressed. – Read The Biology of Desire. While your ostensible problem isn’t addiction, in fact we are all addicts to positive feedbacks and dopamine etc. We groove in behavior and habits that give us these payoffs but in many cases, these actually aren’t so good for us. This book will help you get… Read more »
@scribblerg “One wonders why you try and defend Roosh” Because it’s a clever article that makes a good point and I can separate the content of his thought experiment from the rest of his writing instead of getting emotionally worked up clutching my pearls over seeing the word “rape” lol He’s literally making the same point you’re making: a chick going home with a dude can be interpreted by him as her wanting to get fucked so it’s a bad idea to go home with him if you don’t want to fuck him because that guy might be a rapey… Read more »
@Rollo: “Technically it’s coerced sex.” Endorsed as rape by Zoe Quinn. Who went on to endorse “Don’t Talk About Rape,” because it causes feel bads in the rapist. “Big things are afoot for TRM this week, stay tuned!” Uh oh. @Scribbler: ” Is there such a thing as too old to pick up young hotties?” No. “When should a man stop pickup?” You might want to think about turning the wick down a bit after you’re dead, and do not operate heavy machinery. Before that how you handle your interactions with women is entirely up to you. If you want… Read more »
@YaReally
I’ve pushed my boundaries enough to get beer bottles hurled at me and have women screaming “ASSHOLE” repeatedly in my ear, so I guess that’s something.
“Girls don’t care how old I am, anything past 30 is “old man” to them” – Ya Really
This.
Caught a little of Peggy Orenstein making the round on CBS This Morning using the 1 in 5 myth. About Elon Musk. He’ll keep developing his cars and rockets. It’s just that with a divorce, the ex is gonna get paid along with it. And anytime he holds a press conference to announce something significant, I’d expect her to be right up there too. And Elon will have to say “we developed this”, but he won’t be referring to just the people who actually did the developing. He’ll have to include her in it as well. ““I needed our life… Read more »
Emily, you should listen to scribblerg because the way he explains the law is apt. In my country the man would be guilty of unlawful imprisonment and threats which would net him a conviction of a couple of years if on the first offense(and get out in half that), but he would be acquitted of rape. It’s contemptible behavior and definitely illegal, but it’s clearly not rape. I have a question for Americans. What’s stopping me from pressing rape charges against a woman in the US if we had drunken sex and she allegedly had her consent invalidated by booze?… Read more »
Essentially it is ‘rape’ if she says it was rape, and you are the Father if she says you are the Father:
https://twitter.com/fundafinancial/status/714812711608131585
Tell me again how I’m exaggerating in this post?
Ugh, yes, but just do not, DO NOT, watch anything beyond season 3. Hank turns into a fucking beta with horrible oneitis like you’d never believe.
Lol, I frankly don’t get how these men can be so stupid. Maybe I’m vindictive, but I’d burn my enterprises to the ground if I was Musk. If some dumb broad who did nothing wants half my empire and society tolerates this, then neither her nor society deserve my creation. And this is why marrying is retarded. Or moving in with women. What’s the point, it’s not like they clean or cook? If I had a billion, I’d have cocaine and hooker parties weekly. Why the heck would I marry?
I should say, same with “Mad Men” which is very red-pillish (not so much PUA material) at the beginning, but turns wholly apologetic for masculinity at the end.
@scribblerg Gotcha covered, this should clear it all up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa-4IAR_9Yw @Sun Wukong “I’ve pushed my boundaries enough to get beer bottles hurled at me and have women screaming “ASSHOLE” repeatedly in my ear, so I guess that’s something.” The real test is: can you get her to go from throwing beer bottles at you to fucking you? 😉 @Water Cannon Boy “Sometimes I wonder if being beta is a part of guys like this getting rich and successful. Even knowing that you can be rich/successful and alpha” No one believes me when I tell them that usually guys who are… Read more »
Ya, and I will say that my favorite part of the series is when he spends an entire season having sex with that blond actress chick, and at the end of that season manages to sleep with the lady who was prosecuting him for statutory rape. I think that’s beyond season 3.
I like this idea of trying to see life events wrt to the exercise of personal agency. Things get fascinating really fast when you start trying to see life events, or just the everyday give and take of the social dynamic, wrt to how your (and other’s) personal agency is being used. And ….. when it comes to actual sexual relations …… notice that sex is like the interface (or even the crucible) of personal agency, meeting something else (the rawness – maybe masculine exuberant aggression is but one aspect of this elemental force). I mean …… if you think… Read more »
Good god, I never thought of the problem this way until now, but my gut was wrenching anytime I really thought about the new and current feminist imperative. God-damned if it isn’t TIMMY! That Twilight Zone segment scared me deeply. Now in many ways its approaching reality. We’re being cucked, punished, damned and sentenced from the get-go, and there but for the grace of Timmy go we!
@Ya – Shit, spot on. I’ve bailed on MM and am just winging it again. Correction taken and I’ll get back on it today. Most insightful bit? (we’ll just agree to disagree on the Roosh stuff, he’s not saying what i’m saying at all, ‘nuf said) I’m used to DHVing naturally. This. Fuck. Yeah, I’m still winging it as though I’m 38 and reeking of high value. The other interesting thing is that my subcomms back then included abundance. Even though I was Blue Pill as shit in real ways (pedestalizing, maddona/whore complex), since I had my heart destroyed by… Read more »
@Ya – That cartoon had me giggling. I’m clear now. Financial stress and uncertainty is eating away at my state, that’s all. I’m doing everything I can to deal with it but it’s not solved yet and the longer it goes, the more it grinds me down. That’s still not necessary and I can let go of it, but that’s the actual “what’s so” of my fucked up state lately.
Bottom line: Am I my fucking khakis or not???? Apparently I am…Fuck that.
Scribblerg On phone so short response. To recap im 48. I look a few years younger not much. Age is zero handicap to pulling. Whats holding you back is you. You end up doing the paternal shit because you are ignoring the next steps which is escalation and sexualization. And you ignore this because youbare afraid of rejection. Thats it. Just your ego holding you back. Fuck watching any TV or RSD clips now. Go and DO. Go escalate and get rejected. You will live and your ego will die. That is what you need. Do. Act. Be. Be dynamic.… Read more »
@YaReally: that video about “is she into you” is amazing. Where do you find this stuff. I used to have serious difficulties with IOIs (still do, I think I’m a bit better).
On pop culture, what did you think of “How I met your Mother” (if you watched it)?
@YaReally
Hey, didn’t say I was there yet but I’m trying. Give a brother credit.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/330/811/286.png
@ YaReally
Gold mine of information. Extremely helpful, thanks.
RE: Elon Musk
Watch his eyes about the :33 mark. This is what terminal ONEitis looks like.
RE: Elon Musk http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/19/the-curse-of-potential/ One of the most frustrating things I’ve had to deal with in this life is knowing men with incredible potential who, for whatever reason, never realize it (or as fully) because they deliberately limit themselves due to a Beta mindset . Whether it’s potential for success due to a particular talent, the potential of their socio-economic state and affluence, or simply dumb luck that put them into a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, their blue-pill ignorance or pride, or rule-bound duty to the feminine imperative thanks to their Beta frame of mind, hold them back from really benefitting from… Read more »
lol just ran into this vid, look at this sexy 10/10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MyFNy7cjOs Tyler looks pretty good now, doing what he can with his looks, but this is how he looked for most of his pickup career lol So hot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8P80vAR7Fs http://www.approachblueprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rsd-tyler-owen.jpg Remember, this guy and this guy: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/23/243F159400000578-2885308-image-a-41_1419375853068.jpg Decided not to accept their position in life and stop letting social conditioning dictate what they deserved. @IAS “On pop culture, what did you think of “How I met your Mother” (if you watched it)?” Barney is an excellent role model for having FUN with pickup. I don’t care that NPH is… Read more »
On the paternity presumptions issue, we’re going to see more of that as marriage continues its slow decline — in other words, more strict presumptions of paternity in non-marital situations. I think we’re also going to see non-marital breakups past a certain time period treated virtually the same as divorces in terms of settlements and alimony and so on, regardless of whether the situation qualifies as a common law marriage or not — some states already have laws like this, and I expect it will be a trend in the years ahead. As people continue to opt for non-marital relationships,… Read more »
Tomassi, it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. Your disgust with your romantic white knighter and your desire that men pursue business and success instead has lead many to an early heart attack and a premature death.
Love does indeed conquer all and in the end the only thing that will matter is, did you love?
IB, once again, all you have is point & sputter at the straw men you imagine for yourself and the 6 or so Davy & Goliath readers who you allow to comment on your blog because you’re too petrified to confront the truth that the Red Pill reveals to you. I get it. It’s difficult to let go of the comforting fictions that have made your life marginally bearable for about 60 years now, but you do yourself and your readers a disservice when all you do is avoid the topics you have no answer for and your ego-investments are… Read more »
Thank you Sweetheart, for adding an extra decade to my age. I’d take great girly offense, but I’m rather delighted and surprised with this particular season of life and not the least bit ashamed. Vanity also compels me to mention, I still turn a few heads. I do get what you are saying Tomassi and sometimes I even agree with it, at least the sexual aspects. Culturally, politically, from a faith based perspective you haven’t got a clue, but let’s not fight okay? Men and women are supposed to simply enj0y one another, not engage in never ending head butting.… Read more »
@insanitybytes22 – I guess the question is what do you mean by “love”? IB22 – I know you are a Christian woman, but what would be helpful is if you could define what you mean by “love” outside of a religious context.
Love is a very mysterious perspective – so I guess I’m just after an honest answer, so I can consider your perspective (but if you put in a religious context that is only going to confuse things for me).
http://cf.chucklesnetwork.com/items/4/6/1/5/4/original/i-dont-always-know-what-youre-saying-but-when-i-do-it-makes-no-s.jpg
Your disgust with your romantic white knighter and your desire that men pursue business and success instead has lead many to an early heart attack and a premature death. You thoroughly missed the point. A man who is going into his *third* marriage has not had success with women, period. He’s had successive failures to the point where these are interfering with the rest of his life. Rollo’s point is not that guys should forget about women and focus entirely on their business and success, but rather that they should fix their relationships with women so that the latter don’t… Read more »
No, Nova, she intentionally misses the point. On every topic her fragile belief system would be challenged by.
She isn’t oblivious to the cognitive dissonance she’s engaging in right after we’ve discussed Elon Musk’s divorces and subsequent fleecing. She just shakes her car keys hoping we’ll be distracted by her lame attempts at misdirection.
Elon, as much as I don’t want to hate the guy (I dont), always struck me as yet another billionaire whose judgement isn’t worthy of his wealth. He’s basically the soft-version of what happens when someone wins the lottery.
Been thinking about the burden of performance today
Elon embody’s a good amount of it.
Smart men, smart Red Pill aware men, in the future will take a man’s marriage(s) and his approach towards women as a deciding aspect of whether or not they will invest in his company or partner with him in a business endeavor.
The Red Pill Lens has many life preserving, life enriching uses that go beyond just getting laid.
@scribblerg – I see what you mean. I do often try to define rape in emotional terms instead of legal terms.
@Ya et al… Fuck, busted again. By Tyler, as usual. Biggest problem for me due to my former success and natural vibe? Looking like a “Try Hard” is inconceivable for me. It would simply be the worst thing I could have to do and I simply will not do it. But I cannot build gaming skills that work for the Scribbler of 2016 without them. Fuck. @Sentient – I need to just escalate, you are correct. But I need to burn in the MM formula for doing so, for getting the quals etc. My winging it is useless at this… Read more »
http://media4.giphy.com/media/3rgXBPgEKFjLdeE8Yo/200.gif
“This guy’s approach to women, which was meeting with repeated failure, was simply ruining the rest of his life and everyone else could see it other than himself because of his overly idealistic perspective.”
Tomassi is correct, I did not miss the point at all. But to be utterly ravished, ruined, spent, destroyed by love, even it’s failures, really is what it is all about, that is what gives life it’s meaning, that is what we were created for.
What in the world are you people saving yourselves for?
@Rollo Who Insane Bitch This Is?
That’s a trick question, they may not have been born yet.
@Byting Insanity: “Thank you Sweetheart, for adding an extra decade to my age.”
Ahhhhh, interesting. Instead of the wise, elder granny type you try to present yourself as, you’re actually young enough for me to be your baby sitter and send you to your room until you’re ready to behave.
And, since there’s only a few years between you, to think of yourself as a viable cougar to Rollo.
“I still turn a few heads.”
Train wrecks always do.
@scribbler ” but then as I get deeper in the set, I start feeling like I’m too old and it destroys me. I usually bail actually, or the vibe just turns into me being paternal. Serious question: Is there such a thing as too old to pick up young hotties? I’m 53″ well we know as a biological fact that there isn’t a such thing as too old to pick up young hotties (or idk w/e age your sperm is too fucked up to inseminate a high fertility female). yeah…. massive props on learning the open and getting into opening… Read more »
IB: Harlequin Books called and want their trite bodice-ripping protagonist back. Be a good girl and return to your perch.
What in the world are you people saving yourselves for?
Simply better to succeed than repeatedly fail.
Oh I don’t know, but it’s probably in the 10 figure range:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/elon-musks-divorce-could-cost-154020180.html
@YaReally That LSNFTE link was gold. I actually inadvertently did exactly what he described with the chick I lost my virginity to. She’d moved to another state and ended up getting with a super AFC boyfriend, and I just decided that I had nothing to gain from taking to get, so I didn’t. Then, every few months she would text me “I had a dream about you last night…” Until eventually she texted me to say that she was going to be in town and she had broken up with her bf. They’ll never go out dressed like shit with… Read more »
“…you gotta start getting used to making these leaps and… ““Creepy old guy” is what I expect to hear (happened with one who shunned me for months). I” ya….you may get burned like this sometimes.” Scribblerg – and what will getting “burned” look like…? refer back to the GLL clip – here is a “good” example of what rejection in the field looks like typically… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqoAtzTIgGA No hysterics, no accusations, just the girl leaves or you leave. You won’t get slapped or kicked. And this is on pretty aggressive escalations. Number closes? Meh – IHABF is about it, or “that’s… Read more »
Re: InanitySuck’s bizarre rantings tell some truth. “But to be utterly ravished, ruined, spent, destroyed by love, even it’s failures, really is what it is all about, that is what gives life it’s meaning, that is what we were created for.” What on earth is she talking about? Is this some cheap romance novel or Wuthering Heights or some other daft shit? Yes, this is what women seem to want, as long as a man will always be there to catch her and pay the bills if all else fails, of course. Be it Daddy, or alimony/child support or some… Read more »
RE: Musk, After a close reading of both Ya’s articles, it may be that Musk knows what he’s doing after all, he didn’t get fucked as hard during the first marriage cuz he got his wife to sign a postnup, which limited the rape. 2nd article talks about some higher appeals court ruling on a key issue regarding how he set up the postnup contract. Sounds like he was slick with it. With this 2nd marriage he’s also made some moves that may set precedence for what happens when shit does blow up. Based on some of his statement (according… Read more »
@ludiamondz
The problem is that Musk, while he’s avoided a hard scrape so far… is still stuck in an old set of books, both engineering-wise and SMP-wise.
I feel it’s incumbent upon me to remind you all that according to Emily, Elon Musk should be one of the sexiest men on planet earth due solely to his gross affluence and wealth.
Well, that was her story about 2 weeks ago anyway,…
@Pelleon “I know you hate giving word for word examples, but could you give an example of exactly what you’d say if a girl was like “wtf, you only want me for sex?”” well i’d need the vibe, her body language, tone, etc. if she was just being a bitch i’d be like ‘eh forget it’ and leave. if she’s just idk….doing her little ‘i have to pretend im not some whore’ dance… … literally ‘you know im a dog, i just need it to think straight, we can talk after’ ‘for now…it’s hard to walk in here and see… Read more »
Musk remarried the same woman. I feel vindicated in my opinion of him.
Again, I don’t hate the guy, and if he hired me I suspect I would absolutely love working for SpaceX.
@Scray
Cool, that’s helpful. Thanks
Pellaeon
” could you give an example of exactly what you’d say if a girl was like “wtf, you only want me for sex?”””
Agree and amplify is your go to friend here. Remember this is 95% of the time some beta bait shit testing designed to draw YOU into HER frame. You win by doing anything that keeps YOU in YOUR frame. The exact words don’t matter.
@scribblerg @Ya and Scray et al – I’m having serious mindset issues getting beyond initial approach. It seems I feel entitled to approach any woman and have no “I’m too old to talk to this hottie” stuff in my head, but then as I get deeper in the set, I start feeling like I’m too old and it destroys me. I usually bail actually, or the vibe just turns into me being paternal. Serious question: Is there such a thing as too old to pick up young hotties? not sure, i’ll let you know at my funeral…lol I’m 53. When… Read more »
@pell “@Scray Cool, that’s helpful. Thanks” the KEY is to NOT try and be super clever or whatever. when it comes to me getting my dick wet with a FB, i don’t joke. i mean, it’s fairly easy to tell when it’s just ‘make me feel special and then we can fuck’ versus ‘im trying to pull some shit right now’ the former one she’ll let you cuddle with her and run your hands up and down her thighs and kiss her neck and shit and just ‘talk’ with you about it. the latter she will keep her distance. so… Read more »
This is the rapey scene on Louie:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E77BCTuMdcQ&t=1200
(The YouTube video uses smaller video and voice distortion to avoid being pulled for copyright and sent to a cornfield)
Discussion:
http://www.thewrap.com/let-the-louis-c-k-backlash-begins-not-quite-rape-scene-brings-criticism/
so i guess a good test is…esp if there’s a couch….is to just say ‘hey, come here, sit down, let’s talk about this’ and see how it goes and if she’s receptive to sitting close and way in your space or not. Space test best test. During my first date with my ex, we had a bite to eat then went to go play pool. The whole time I was invading her space (guide her places with my hand on her lower back, playfully bump shoulder to shoulder when she was scoping out her next shot, etc) and watching her… Read more »