The Best of The Rational Male – Year 4

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Four years ago on August 19th I finally took some SoSuave friends’ advice, stopped procrastinating and began organizing and building upon about 9 years worth of writing I had done on that forum and in my university work. Back then all I wanted to do was flesh out the forum posts I thought might make for some interesting reading. I had so many members and newly unplugged friends ask me to collect all of these essays in one place I had to make some sort of effort.

Four years later I think I’ve moved beyond just the core Red Pill ideas I had then. I don’t keep a personal journal. I do have a small notebook I write ideas into as they hit me, but my only way of reviewing my writing is looking back through these notes and searching back through 4 years of writing here. Even if I’m just going back through the previous year’s work it’s an interesting review of where my life was at as well as where the manosphere in general was too.

Even if you’re just peripherally aware of the events in the sphere you know that things have been more than a bit unsettled for the past 5 months. I really dislike involving myself in the manosphere’s PR, but as one of the primary writers (one of the three ‘R’s as it were) I’m sometimes compelled to do so. I would much rather be writing about what I do than writing about the ‘sphere itself. I don’t do this for a living, nor do I have any plans to ever make it my vocation. I enjoy the freedom of being able to focus on issues I believe are important to making men Red Pill aware unencumbered by any concern about how my writing  might affect revenue generated by web stats or advertising.

As of today I have 452 published posts. My posting has gone up a bit more this year to 1-2 per week. I’m getting a bit more comfortable with this schedule as it allows me to craft a post over the course of a week and give more thought (and counterthought) to what I’m mulling in my head. I like doing the weekend discussion questions too so I’ll be upping these for the weekenders here in the coming year.

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In 4 years the view traffic is fast approaching the 13 million mark. My monthly views are averaging almost half a million now. I might be a bit off, but I think this is pretty impressive for a Red Pill blog that doesn’t advertise and has never been monetized. I have a stake in a couple of liquor brands that would kill for half of this traffic.

I’ve been a bit more public in the last few months. Since the last ‘Best Of’ post I’ve done 5 interviews, and in a couple of weeks I’ll be making my first in-person appearance at the Man in Demand conference in Las Vegas. I’ve got some high hopes for this event, but I should state for the record that it’s the first and only appearance I’ll be making for at least a year. I have no plans of ‘going public’ in the foreseeable future.

Obviously I think the best thing about the past years was publishing the second book Preventive Medicine. I now own the trademark for The Rational Male (just to be official and protected) and I do have plans for a 3rd installment of The Rational Male series, but this wont be until Q4 of 2016 at the earliest. I should also say that I’ve been entertaining the idea of writing what I call Red Pill fiction. Not to go into too much detail, but I’m toying with the idea of writing some down to earth, gritty fiction that’s firmly rooted in a Red Pill perspective.

Beyond all this, Sam Botta has just recently finished the audio and editing of the first book in Audible format. The plan is to have it available by mid-September, but I’ll be announcing it officially when it’s available.

The following are links to the posts I felt had the most relevance and impact for the year. The comment volume has increase exponentially this year which I’m very happy about. Open, unmoderated, discussion has always been the strength of this blog and it’s encouraging to see the interaction stepped up this year.

I have a love-hate kind of feeling with the Best Of posts. I want to highlight what I think were great, but I do so at the risk of marginalizing the posts I think had great merit, but just didn’t make the cut. These selections aren’t necessarily the most popular or the most commented on, but I thought they deserved some consideration as the most significant (several were even included in Preventive Medicine).

The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine

Interviews

Series

Social

Red Pill / Game

Hypergamy

SMV

Personal Development

Love

Thanks for another great year!

 

RT

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

222 comments on “The Best of The Rational Male – Year 4

  1. “So one would need to be objective about aggregate phenomena in order to lift, or to eat better, or to have better quality of life? That is for individual change to occur, you think being objective about aggregate phenomena is a precondition?”

    Yes, that’s correct. You have to be objective about aggregate phenomena to lift (correctly) and to eat better. If you are trying to improve yourself individually, you have to know what improvement is and what leads to it. That means you have to be ruthlessly objective about what works and what doesn’t. Your own life is usually not enough of a sample size to achieve any objectivity and is usually too prone to bias. If you want to lift correctly you should obtain objective, scientific information about how to lift properly and how to make gains. You should consult other people’s experiences to see what works. Of course you should carefully consider your own experience as well. The same goes for eating.

    For example I used to believe that you could gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Maybe, but only under very ideal conditions, so not usually long enough to make any substantial changes. After getting enough information I accepted that everyone else must be right: you have to cut or bulk, not both. You have to choose one. I desperately wanted not to choose one. But biology says I have to. So I did. HIIT cardio is weird and a little less fulfilling than running, which I loved doing all the time. But it came recommended by the best authorities. So I tried it. And it worked.

    In the context of what we talk about on the blog, it’s great if I individually succeed. I more or less am doing so. But if you don’t want to live in a society on the decline, if you want there to be fewer mass murder-suicides, if you are sick of dealing with thirsty betas and entitled bitches in your every day life, or if you think the people around you have simply forgotten what romance is and that depresses you, then you will realize that you cannot meaningfully succeed alone. In some things, we hang together or hang separately, for better or for worse. No other society in history has been stupid enough to think that sex should be a matter for a deregulated free market. But you all seem to accept that premise without question. Good luck with that.

    “How would each of you describe your own individual life-purpose?

    What do you want to accomplish? What is the core of your life? What is your deepest desire for yourself (not your desire for society, top down).

    What makes you tick? Where do you want to go with yourself, your career, your relationships with others?

    What is your core desire in life–your true purpose?”

    Interesting. I’m not really sure what prompted you to ask these questions. Do I seem like the kind of person who is unsure of his life purpose? I can’t really explain it in much detail without blowing my anonymity. Suffice it to say that my purpose is very clear. I am very dedicated to my work and I have been successful at it so far. And I am also very committed to my family, and feel a strong affection for my larger community. Those are the sources of meaning in my life.

    I have to admit it’s depressing (I mean, for those who were hoping to hear otherwise), but I am not here because I’m some kind of failure — to the contrary. In recent experience new people who have gotten to know me have tended to eventually ask the same question, to my surprise: “have you ever failed at anything?” I mean, after getting to know me a little they want me to tell stories about some failures of mine because none are apparent, and they want to see me as a human being, but are having trouble doing that.

    As for women, that is something that frustrates me, but mainly because I am not used to not having control over things in my life. Mostly I’ve been alone because I work so hard. I’ve made a commitment to take at least one night a week off this year. Did so this Friday and spent most of the time at a party surrounded by 3 or 4 girls. My main problem was trying to figure out whether I could smoothly handle that many girls at a time. One of them, completely unprompted, took my number and invited me to go hang out with them later that week. I actually don’t even remember which one of them it was, what she looked like. So much for wondering whether I’m attractive to women.

    That didn’t happen because of my alpha swagger. Not exactly. To be sure, I’m confident. But I’m confident because I’ve spent about a decade working ruthlessly while other people dick around. Because I go hard in the gym and can deadlift 350, so I know what is likely to happen if push comes to shove. I’m confident because I recognize the true sources of value in life and don’t give a fuck what other people seem to think they are. I know better than others what they are. I would never say so in real life because that sounds mad arrogant. But it happens to be true, and virtually everyone I know respects that without us having to get into it explicitly.

    The main question people would have for me is why I’m wasting time commenting extensively on this blog. My supervisors would be very upset if they knew. Basically, it’s a convenient form of recreation — I prefer reading and writing about things. But mainly because the ‘sphere has a lock on truth. I can’t discuss these ideas in the real world, but they happen to be on point. Feminism is a false ideology and its pervasiveness disgusts me. So I would like to achieve intellectual freedom from it. But you can’t do that in a vacuum. People here have some grasp of the truth. That doesn’t mean they are sometimes wrong, some of them more often than others. But it’s still something.

    I also like to get out my frustrations with the women and the social context around me. There’s nothing deeply wrong with my life, it’s just a matter of keeping things under control in the midst of all-too-many distractions. I just hate degeneracy in women and want to rant about it somewhere. I am almost perpetually in what illimitable men calls “monk mode” and therefore I am extremely hostile to distractions. Sex, I’ve found, is not something you can wish away. I’ve accepted that I will remain chained to the earth, forever.

    But no problem. I may not be able to fly, but I can at least get some air time before I’m dragged back to the ground.

  2. I think you should make a red pill whiskey or bourbon. I dont think there is anything wrong even with advertising something you made your own. Nothing is more authentic. Red Dosis? Red tail?

  3. @IndiscreetLoser – I love when guys try to explain probability to me – a guy who plays wining tournament poker and did thing like sell AIG their derivatives risk management system (have to know just a little about statistics to do that). Let me school you pseudo-intellectual pussies on how fucked up your thinking is.

    Can you affect the probability of any given outcome by your behavior? Answer in this case is absolutely. Are the probabilities wrt single events or lifetime experience? If you have a 10% chance of fucking a girl then if you approach 10 of them, you’ll get laid (or can “expect” to and over a long enough sample this will show itself to be true). Does your probability of being able to be a successful, dominant and attractive male vary based on one’s ecology? Of course it does. If you are a geek, do you have a better chance of getting laid at Comic Con or the hottest club in town? So, first things first, these probabilities aren’t fixed, you can affect them with strategy by choosing when, where and how you play the game. You can think of that as meta game.

    You also speak as though you can’t develop skills and traits that help you be successful. But in fact you can do 1000 things to be a better man. Even more truth? The men who are running circles around you are doing so in significant part because they apply themselves and don’t give up as you have. Your mindset is a big driver of the outcomes you claim are fixed. You can develop your social intelligence. You can develop your body and mind. You can work on your career and finances. Yet you seem to claim all these aspects are fixed when they are not.

    But even if they were then we have to think about the quality of your life. Are you happier given up and resigned to your faux reality? Or would you be happier struggling against the odds and only making occasional gains? I know I’m happier when haven’t given up – and I guarantee you that at 53, the odds are stacked less in favor of me than you.

    Most pathetic? I’m more committed to your greatness and success than you are. Only slightly less pathetic are supposedly successful men like Lucien cheering on your commitment to failure. This is not the way of men. We hector and shame those who need to improve themselves, we don’t coddle them or respect them. I insult you to shock you and to let you know that wearing this negative BS as though it’s wisdom based on your superior understanding of probability is horseshit. You aren’t smart, you haven’t calculated the odds and made the best decision – no, you’ve just given up and want us to tell you it’s okay and validate your pussified views. Nope.

    I will never argue for your smallness. You should be grateful that someone is willing to stand for you when you won’t stand for yourself. And you should take the advice on offer. The number one skill a man can develop is resilience because all men face a tremendous amount of adversity in life. It’s not easy but then again, nothing with doing in life is easy.

    Consider this. Perhaps all the men beating you out in life do so because they think as I do, not because the deck is stacked against you?

  4. Just a comment about the blog. I know you don’t do any marketing, but I would just like to point out that I found theRationalMale last.

    I found Return of Kings, Athol Kay, every blog with red pill in it’s name, Heartiste, Red Pill Reddit(which is how I found this blog). I found them all first. I sometimes wonder if there’s more people like me that get turned off by the racism, homophobia and hate and leave the manosphere completely before they find this place.

    I have no solution, just an observation.

  5. Lucien,
    I asked those questions in order to get the answers you supplied. (And truth be told, I am riffing off of what I am reading in “The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida)

    “Suffice it to say that my purpose is very clear. I am very dedicated to my work and I have been successful at it so far. And I am also very committed to my family, and feel a strong affection for my larger community. Those are the sources of meaning in my life.”

    It seems that your core purposes are focused on external mental points of origin. It seems that these are outer layers of your true core purpose and you probably derived these from inheriting them from your parents or father’s influence and your childhood experiences. You should rethink what you are missing. You are missing what is best for you, with you as your mental point of origin. Not your family, not your job, not a society in decline. What about you and your needs (you need sex).

    It seems you are not complete in focusing on external goals. You need an internal goal. One that serves you. Funny thing is this is what ScribblerG is talking about in a alleged bombastic fashion in regards to himself. He just gets it now (after years of putting his mental point of origin externally). You need to just get it (red pill awareness unplugged from the anodyne, feminine Matrix).

    It also seems like you are a Meyers-Briggs INTJ personality type. You know your strengths (you already elaborated on this). Take a look at your weaknesses.

    With this type of personality you have to minimize your weaknesses to reach your full potential. For example you are clueless in romance. Your antipathy to rules and tendency to over-analyze and be judgmental, even arrogant, all adds up to a personality type that is often clueless in dating. Having a new relationship last long enough for you to apply the full force of your analysis on you potential partner’s thought processes and behaviors can be challenging. Trying harder in the ways that you know best can only make things worse, and it’s unfortunately common for you to simply give up the search. Ironically, this is when you are at your best, and most likely to attract a partner (like the other night at the bar).

    Sounds like you either need to go MGTOW or step up your game with women unless you want to remain alone.

    You don’t understand why women seem so crazy and don’t seem to make any sort of sense, and women don’t understand why you simply cannot seem to open up and get in touch with their emotions and tend to shut down when things get too intense.

    “The essential masculine ecstasy is in the moment of release from constraint. This could occur when facing death and living through it, succeeding in (and thus being released from) your purpose, and in competition (which is ritual threat of death). The masculine is always seeking release from constraint into freedom. The feminine often doesn’t understand these masculine ways and needs. “

    And Lucien, you seem to have too many constraints

    BTW, The feminine is not seeking freedom, but love and fullness and she abhors emptiness. But that is another story better told by 450+ essays in The Rational Male blog.

    “The typical masculine desire for freedom involves the feeling of death, which is the ultimate masculine fear and freedom, in one way or another. Orgasm is actually called petite mort or “little death” in French. You say that you hope your favorite football team “kills” the other team, and you celebrate your financial “killings” with great glee.

    ” You are probably also familiar with darker aspects of the masculine desire for freedom. War, which is motivated by the desire for freedom, is a quintessential masculine pursuit. Most sports are ritualized war, but actual war itself resonates with the core of most men. Even movies about war—men being at their edge, giving it all they’ve got, up against death itself, motivated by a higher cause—evoke intense emotion in men. The capacity to face death for the sake of freedom, whether actually in war or ritually on the football field or chess board, is the ultimate masculine act, evoking men’s deepest emotions.

    The same capacity to face death is necessary for spiritual freedom. To live free in spirit, you must be willing to face your fears and let go of anything that limits your love. The attachment to comfort and security is what limits most men in their capacity to make a spiritual touchdown.(ed. remain in the Blue Pill of the Matrix) The other team is your own need for private security. You are fighting a war with your own self-sense. To be free is to die to your need to be a separate self. What, then, could be constrained? Ego death, absolute surrender to the point of oneness, is the ultimate freedom. Few men ever release themselves enough to relax in this depth of freedom because they are afraid of absolutely no stress. No stress means no thoughts, no sense of protected self, no mission to accomplish. The end of the masculine game.

    Yet, this stress-free, unprotected end of the game is exactly what you are always seeking, through orgasm, financial killings, or winning a war. You are willing to experience lesser forms of masculine “death” and ecstasy, but you are unwilling to face the death of your separate self-sense, and finally be the freedom you have only allowed yourself to taste in moments. Men will always enjoy facing forms of “death” and coming out the other side into freedom, whether in the form of boxing matches, cop movies, martial arts, orgasm, philosophy (the stress releasing “ah” of insight), or ego death. You must own the primacy of your desire to be free. Then, you can enjoy the lesser forms of masculine ecstasy, but dedicate yourself to its highest form: transcendence of the fear of death by facing the limiting stress of your own self-sense, and relaxing through it, into the absolute freedom you have always intuited at your core, but sought through only temporary means. “ D. Deida 1997

    Food for thought Lucien.

  6. @Andy – Absolutely. I find the racism and homophobia of those other sites to be vile and indicative of the intellectual weakness of the folks who run them, which is why I shit down the throat of the likes of Roosh here. It’s also because his other general ideas about economics are shit too, just typical superficial libertarian garbage (I’m a libertarian and many of us are neither racists or anti-corporate, anarchists). The Red Pill has nothing to do with being a racist. We do have a few of them here but you are free to tell them to fuck themselves when they try spreading that crap here.

  7. @SJF – Again, mind fully blown. Deida is profound will have to look into him more deeply. The unrestrained heart and full out feeling one gets when confronting danger is more than adrenaline rush-seeking. I have raced sailboats, rock climbed, done back country alpine stuff and there is nothing like exerting skill and judgment in a dangerous situation to make one feel more alive and masculine.

    Bringing that full on way of being to the present moment is what happens when I get fully present to the possibilities of the present moment and play my best to make the most of them.

    1. @Andy
      “I found them all first. I sometimes wonder if there’s more people like me that get turned off by the racism, homophobia and hate and leave the manosphere completely before they find this place.

      I have no solution, just an observation.”

      To oppose is to support the deo this blog was given to me under the condition I don’t ever bring it up in public. I found the others after but I think see where your coming from. It can be a huge turn off. It would be for me. Even in a blue pill state Rollo got through to me because for some damn reason he approached it in a male way I always wanted yet felt beating out of me. He showed and wrote parts of the life I’ve lived an spoke if thing I got shamed into silence for. He never said with conviction he was right it read more that he was aware.the site wasn’t built on the conviction of some constant belief it was more fact. Even as a plugged in male that alone appealed to all my sense.
      It was and still is a gift and I’m great full to he here.

      @SJF
      “The same capacity to face death is necessary for spiritual freedom. To live free in spirit, you must be willing to face your fears and let go of anything that limits your love. The attachment to comfort and security is what limits most men in their capacity to make a spiritual touchdown.(ed. remain in the Blue Pill of the Matrix) The other team is your own need for private security. You are fighting a war with your own self-sense. To be free is to die to your need to be a separate self. What, then, could be constrained? Ego death, absolute surrender to the point of oneness, is the ultimate freedom. Few men ever release themselves enough to relax in this depth of freedom because they are afraid of absolutely no stress. No stress means no thoughts, no sense of protected self, no mission to accomplish. The end of the masculine game.

      Yet, this stress-free, unprotected end of the game is exactly what you are always seeking, through orgasm, financial killings, or winning a war. You are willing to experience lesser forms of masculine “death” and ecstasy, but you are unwilling to face the death of your separate self-sense, and finally be the freedom you have only allowed yourself to taste in moments. Men will always enjoy facing forms of “death” and coming out the other side into freedom, whether in the form of boxing matches, cop movies, martial arts, orgasm, philosophy (the stress releasing “ah” of insight), or ego death. You must own the primacy of your desire to be free. Then, you can enjoy the lesser forms of masculine ecstasy, but dedicate yourself to its highest form: transcendence of the fear of death by facing the limiting stress of your own self-sense, and relaxing through it, into the absolute freedom you have always intuited at your core, but sought through only temporary means. “ D. Deida 1997”

      Great thing to wake up to.

  8. @lucien

    “You have to be objective about aggregate phenomena to lift (correctly) and to eat better. If you are trying to improve yourself individually, you have to know what improvement is and what leads to it.”

    You don’t need to know what everybody is doing or what a bunch of fools are doing or what is popular. You don’t need the aggregate. You need the correct knowledge. For the red pill you don’t need to know what all the guys in your town are doing, but you do need to know what Rollo is saying. Rollo is not an aggregate phenomenon. He is by himself a life changer, and I thank him for giving us the knowledge to have fulfilling lives.

    Side note on the popular: The FI present the VMAs. Women wearing dresses marked slut and other words, the host reducing clothing fabric to a bare minimum, hen fight, and a sobbing man/boy.

  9. If You Don’t Know Your Purpose, Discover It, Now

    Without a conscious life purpose a man is totally lost, drifting, adapting to events rather than creating events. Without knowing his life purpose a man lives a weakened, impotent existence, perhaps eventually becoming even sexually impotent, or prone to mechanical and disinterested sex.

    The core of your life is your purpose. Everything in your life, from your diet to your career, must be aligned with your purpose if you are to act with coherence and integrity in the world. If you know your purpose, your deepest desire, then the secret of success is to discipline your life so that you support your deepest purpose and minimize distractions and detours.

    But if you don’t know your deepest desire, then you can’t align your life to it. Everything in your life is dissociated from your core. You go to work, but since it’s not connected to your deepest purpose, it is just a job, a way to earn money. You go through your daily round with your family and friends, but each moment is just another in a long string of moments, going nowhere, not inherently profound.

    Disconnected from your core, you feel weak. This empty feeling will undermine not only your “erection” in the world, but your erection with your woman, too.

    However, when you know your true purpose, which is your core desire in life, each moment can become a full expression of your core desire. Every instant of career, every instant of intimacy, is filled with the power of your heart purpose. You are no longer just going through the motions at work and with your woman, but you are living the truth of your life, and giving the gifts of your love, moment by moment. Such a life is complete unto itself in every instant.

    The superior man is not seeking for fulfillment through work and woman, because he is already full. For him, work and intimacy are opportunities to give his gifts, and be vanished in the bliss of the giving. ” D. Deida

    I was hard at work yesterday redoing the landscaping and dealing with my wife’s hamster wheel in turbo mode (in the comfort phase of her cycle) as she is having trouble with my keeping frame and being my own mental point of origin. My blood sugar literally dipped into the fifties on no less than five occasions (type I diabetes) mainly because of my previous intense weight lifting session (increase metabolic rate for the whole day). In between breaks I thought it only fair to define my current core mission.

    Here it is:

    I want to be a masculine male who is good at being a man, not merely a good man. I want to be better at being a man every day of my life, better than the last day, week, month, year and decade. I want to be a patriarch of my family that provides for them without them (wife and children) having financial or emotional constraints preventing them from being the best that they can be. I want my work (my job) to be non-stressful and use my skills to provide and excellent environment for my employees and my clients to make them better.I want to pursue hobbies and passions and relationships with others without financial or emotional constraints. I don’t want to be constrained in my pursuit of happiness by my government as long as I don’t impose on others.

    I want to un-trap myself, to enjoy life free of a subtle sense of constraint, underlying tension and fear. I want to give my wife my true gift of sex and penetrate and flourish her beyond all limits into love (still working on that). And the same with the world. I want to bloom my wife and world with authenticity, congruence, persistence and courage. No holding back.

    ( And if I get divorced I want to bang young hot chicks.) (And I don’t want to be a whiny douchebag like Kanye West)

  10. RM is a modern-day miracle.

    The distillation of thousands of men’s experiences available for all, for free, led by a man who cares more about our true well being than many of the people we would call friends and family.

    This place is the definiton of service to the community.

    4 years = undergraduate degree in manhood.

    I’m sure grad school will be even more enlightening.

  11. (I’m a libertarian and many of us are neither racists or anti-corporate, anarchists).

    I would say I’m libertarian in many ways. Economically I’m a Keynesian.

  12. Nobody’s perfect.

    Getting way off topic, so I’ll just say this one thing.

    Where’s the inflation? The Austrians wait for hyper inflation like Jews wait for the messiah. It is. not. going. to happen.

  13. Eventually the Chinese won’t be able/willing to finance Western debt.

    Keynes was a genius a man of his time. A time that ended in September of 1939. Much like Friedman and Stockman were geniuses and men of their time, a time that ended in October of 1993.

    The worry isn’t inflation. It’s deflation.

  14. @ SJF

    re: Children with Dynamite

    Thanks for sharing that. I’d forgotten about that post. Hits home way harder now that I actually have something going on with a girl regularly. That’s the first time this has ever happened in my life.

    I just remember Rollo saying somewhere something like,

    “If you make her the center of your world, she won’t be in your world for long.”

    All the things she’s into about me, and what drew her to me, were direct results of effort I put into building my life. My body is a result of painstaking attention to nutrition and working out, my entire look is a result of researching fashion/hairstyles and deliberately changing myself to go from looking like a homeless person to an attractive man, and all the skills I’ve developed and passions I have are the result of years of practice and hard work.

    My personality, as it comes off to other people IRL, is a direct result of having been a social trainwreck and painstakingly training myself to have better social skills, and making the deliberate choice to be a positive source of energy for people, to be fun, to lift people up and make them feel good.

    And the ‘mystery’ about me is authentic: it’s a direct result of having had my heart broken and getting stepped all over from being too open, too vulnerable, wearing my heart on my sleeve, and re-training myself to respect myself and my privacy more, and to be more sparing in the things I say. Not any less passionate, not guarded to the point of being unavailable or inaccessible — just more careful, and also more confident. The confidence meaning that I don’t feel like I have to explain or justify myself or tell my life story anymore.

    I am who I am right now in this moment. That’s all that matters.

    There’s still the latent fear that if I “do me” and focus on myself, she’ll leave because I’m not paying enough attention to her.

    Classic Blue Pill thinking. If I didn’t have the rational knowledge that detachment and coming across as the one who needs the other person less is MORE attractive….I’d be out in the weeds, thinking that I had to always be there and always be available or I’d lose her.

    Trust me, I know better. This is like RP 101. I’ve been on RM for a while. I’m just saying I’m shocked that these programs are still in place. I guess I just have to experience this stuff IRL — reading about it doesn’t cut it. Certainly helps, but IRL is where the rubber meets the road. I’m realizing that big time now.

    In-field experience is what separates the men from the boys. And that’s really where your actual knowledge is tested. How well do you apply it in your actual life?

    My temptation now is to check to see if she sent me a message. I have a lot of stuff I need to get done today. I’ll check later, either evening/night when I’m done with everything I need to do.

    Simple things like that can feel scary to a greenhorn like me. Even writing that out, I feel like, holy shit man, you have some work to do. I’ll be keeping tabs here and reading the posts and comments as usual.

    I do have to get better about asking directly for help if I need it. Might as well take advantage of the community here and men’s willingness to help out if needed — if I’m having any stumbling blocks, I should ask about it here. Not to mention this is basically the only safe place I can think of to talk about this stuff.

    Anyway, enough of that for now. Great comments by the way, I’m learning a lot as usual.

  15. @Badpainter

    Sorry, I assumed you were a gold hoarder.

    I appreciate that you thought that I was perfect up until this point though. Thank you. Just keep up the work and eventually you’ll come to agree that I am indeed perfect!

  16. @Andy – But of course inflation isn’t about rising prices, it’s about the money supply. “Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.” If you can’t see that we’ve created a shitload of money over the past 7 years, you haven’t been looking.

    Even worse is the trite attempt to dismiss Austrian economics with such a comment. In fact, ZIRP has been a real world experiment in Keynsian economics and the results are in, it doesn’t work. Even worse for you, this entire period proves the most central tenet of Austrian business cycle theory, that the boom creates the need for the bust.

    Or maybe Krugman is right, after expanding sovereign debt from 20 trillion to 60 trillion in less than 15 years, maybe what we need is more govt debt, lol. Give it up you guys are wrong about everything all day long and twice in Sunday.

    1. @Scibblerg
      “20 trillion to 60 trillion in less than 15 years, maybe”…
      Is there a math equation for paying all 60 trillion off? I know the US is at 18. Was thinking about paying that all off my using innovation.

  17. @andy – My quotation was from Milton Friedman – a leading monetarist economist and not an Austrian. The statement is considered a non-controversial statement in the field of economics By responding as you did you only reveal what a juvenile sophist you are, not anything about me. But alas you do nicely exemplify the triumphalism of many pseudo-intellectuals today who glibly prattle and see themselves as superior for no reason at all. Keep it up, you are sinking your own ship.

  18. Rollo,

    On another blog you had mentioned the fact, and I agree, christian women act as if they are anit-feminist up until they have specific questions asked about the “sisterhood” of feminism or the FI. I agree whole heartedly, but for the life of me I cannot come up with 5 questions.

    Do you have a few of those? Or do any of you have some? The only ones that come to mind are submission/authority. I am talking specifics of NAWALT toward the guise of anti-feminism.

  19. @Andy – Deep, and quite impressive. But since you’ve decided to be such a flaming fucktard about this, and think you can just cruise above me and fling turds at me like some retarded monkey, let’s talk about inflation.

    Why are monetary authorities concerned about inflation per se? Hint: The Fed has a mandate to pursue “price stability”, and also have an additional role to pursue full employment. For a full write up on how much of a disaster that has been for our society, I direct you to the Fatal Conceit by Friederich Hayek, here’s the .pdf so you have no excuse for not reading it. http://ir.nmu.org.ua/bitstream/handle/123456789/136402/ccbd1e1658fe2e5314d0e642e754ade4.pdf

    It explores the idiocy and chaos which ensue from a centrally planned economy. Let me ask you this, what is the Fed up to, if not trying to centrally plan and control the economy? To control the very price of money and debt, and to buy our own debt – the monetary and fiscal equivalent of eating one’s own shit – is this not planning of the most crude sort?Buying asset backed securities to prop up their prices? Why is central bank planning – really political planning as the Fed is ultimately controlled by congress – somehow forgivable on that level?

    But let’s talk about inflation. Let’s get basic. What is inherently bad about deflation? When prices that are inputs to production go down, this reduces costs of finished goods to consumers, improving their quality of life. In fact, the only way we are maintaining the the chimera of prosperity is by selling our production off to China in exchange for incredibly cheap finished goods we buy from Gulag-like states run by oppressive crony-capitalist dictatorial thugs who brutally repress liberty. This means that an iron that you might buy today could be cheaper in nominal dollars than it was 30 years ago. That pair of jeans? Same price as 25 years ago. Without this incredibly cheap offshore production, price levels would be incredibly high. Too bad it was a short term deal – cuz this was the death blow to the working class, black and white.

    But lets say just in domestic production that efficiency has gone up, like say corn production efficiency (take manufacturing out of it), which has gone up 500% in less than 50 years? Is cheaper corn a bad thing? According to mainstream economic thought, this would be a bad thing. On average, prices are to increase in a never ending upwards spiral. Why should this happen if productivity is increasing?

    The only people who falling asset prices are bad for are those who hold debt based on assets. Housing is the perfect example of this, and when prices fall, it’s those who are mortgaged to the hilt who get hurt. The person who owns his house outright without any debt or has only a 30 or 50% mortgage? He isn’t materially hurt at all. In fact, in an economy with a fixed amount of money, productivity improvements would result in constantly lower prices. Why doesn’t this sound good?

    But it gets even worse. In the not too distant past, there was a majority opinion held by economists that an accepted approach to monetary policy along the lines of the Taylor Rule, adjusting the size of the money supply in correlation to growth was a good norm outside of times of crisis. You must know this – you are such a fucking genius, ehh? The point of this policy approach was what? Answer: To remove central bank/political effects from the economy during normal (non-crisis times). This is still a view held by many economists today, that the Taylor Rule, effectively neutering the Feds dual mandate, would be a great for our economy.

    So why is it good now to do the opposite? What changed to bring us away from this view? Also, don’t you see the stock market and real estate at the mid-high end as a in a very large bubble? It’s also true the bond market is in a bubble, propped up actively by central banks buying asset based securties and sovereign debt all around the world in what amounts to a Ponzi schem.

    We also have been printing money at an alarming rate, in a myriad of ways. Funniest? Private money creation is quite restrained via normal banking channels (there just aren’t that many credit hungry people/businesses that mainstream banks are willing to underwrite). But don’t worry, govt dropping money from helicopters is at historical levels, with the Feds strings/talons/fangs coming along with all the cash.

    The real issue is the effects of money supply change and how it affects the economy. You Keynesian freaks have had your frenzy of govt debt to buy our way out of our global slump. The 20 to 60 trillion dollar number isn’t hyperbole, it’s real. This is a huge jump and it’s all around the world. The Chinese have been among the worst. They are kleptocrats, no different in most ways from Putin’s Russia. Yeah, there was another good move given to us by economic morons – “free trade” with China. We’ve lost 58,000 factories since we let China into the WTO in 2001. All so we can have ultra cheap goods so we don’t notice how much of wealth is being sucked up into luxury homes and the capital markets and skimmed off by the vultures and the elites.

    All these factors intertwine, and when one removes the voodoo from their thinking about price levels, one sees clearly that the fear of deflation is based on the idea that govt planners know that high levels of personal and corporate and govt debt is good and that high asset prices are good. Call me crazy, I but I think falling home prices would end up putting home ownership in the reach of many people who would never otherwise own a home, and also reduce renters costs. Falling home prices would be a boon to many, many people. But when it happens, the govt and media and financial mainstreamers call it a disaster.

    Even worse for Keynesians is that we’ve been playing according to their playbook for 8 years now, and really much longer in some real ways.
    It’s not a joke. Our current reality is a result of Keynesianism. How’s that working out for us? Or the entire world which has gone on a Keynesian spree of govt debt issuance?

    You preen about when you should be embarrassed.

  20. jeff ~ you asked:

    “Rollo,

    On another blog you had mentioned the fact, and I agree, christian women act as if they are anit-feminist up until they have specific questions asked about the “sisterhood” of feminism or the FI. I agree whole heartedly, but for the life of me I cannot come up with 5 questions.

    Do you have a few of those? Or do any of you have some? The only ones that come to mind are submission/authority. I am talking specifics of NAWALT toward the guise of anti-feminism.”

    Consider forming questions based on points of law:

    Divorce, Child Support and False Accusations to name three.

    The Divorce statistics speak for themselves so I’ll jump into CS…

    The current ‘child support’ regime is designed to legitimize ‘heroic’ single mothers at huge expense to society, fathers, tax payers and children.

    1) The woman does not have to demonstrate that she spent the money on the child. She can feed the child the bare minimum of white rice to keep the child alive, and use the rest for shopping.

    2) Custody is usually defaulted to the woman instead of joint custody being assumed.

    3) The payment is tax-free for the woman, but from the man’s after-tax income.

    4) It is always a percentage of a man’s income, rather than any cap. A rich man cannot escape being ruined.

    5) The income is imputed, and the man is jailed if he falls behind, even due to unemployment.

    
This sort of regime is unprecedented. In the US, it is the single most unjust set of laws in the last 140 years. It is the closest thing to slavery and debtors prison that could exist. People think slavery and debtor’s prison do not exist in America. Well, they do.

    And then consider the destruction of men from false accusations, from Domestic Violence to rape accusations.

    This is nothing new, but what is new is the grievance industry trying to monetize this phenomenon by greatly exaggerating the severity and incidence. In the US, this is all the rage, and many universities are now hotbeds of guilty until proven guilty for false rape charges.

    These are three ‘fault lines’, across all areas of law and all situations in society, that will determine whether this civilization survives, or has to go through a reset cycle.

    1) Divorce Laws designed to optimize Hypergamy, [Alpha Fux/Beta Bux] : the Feminine Imperative.

    1) ‘Child Support’, which is stealth alimony and a mechanism to subsidize extreme selfishness by women.

    2) Due process for false DV and rape accusations, with penalties for false accusations.

    I have heard it said that these three areas of law stand alone as where the fate of our future will be decided.

    Since men vote for what benefits all people and would not even think of using their voting rights to increase their Sexual Market Value, women vote for what benefits women only and deride men for even having libidos. It is women who use the voting booth to rearrange everything – the legal system, the tax code, the media, the church – to benefit THEIR Sexual Market Value. Women, not men, are the gender little beyond their libidos and sexual psychology therefore specify questions revolving around Divorce, Child Support, False DV and Rape charges, then see how Feminist the Christian women are.

  21. Rollo,

    Thanks for the insight and tools needed to begin to recover my game. Congratulations on 4 years of putting it out there, and especially for the last 6 months that I’ve had the privilege to benefit from your work.

    scribblerg,
    Your comments over the past months were key to my approach and getting a date with Kid Jupiter’s grocery store girl tonight! Many thanks…I’ve not made out with a woman under 30 since at least 1986…..Maybe I’ll have a FR for you to critique when I can make some more progress and have more of a story to tell, or maybe I’ll just enjoy it. But props to you for your example. Solid 8+! (possible touch of BPD, but that’s just the spice of life!) Held frame and she beggged me for my number. Kid, it really works! (Forget check-out and go for produce, deli or meat….more compliance involved lol.)

    1. From Longgone’s quote.

      scribblerg,
      Your comments over the past months were key to my approach and getting a date with Kid Jupiter’s grocery store girl tonight! Many thanks…I’ve not made out with a woman under 30 since at least 1986…..Maybe I’ll have a FR for you to critique when I can make some more progress and have more of a story to tell, or maybe I’ll just enjoy it. But props to you for your example. Solid 8+! (possible touch of BPD, but that’s just the spice of life!) Held frame and she beggged me for my number. Kid, it really works! (Forget check-out and go for produce, deli or meat….more compliance involved lol.)

      I would love some grocery store pick up advice. I’m guessing compliance is easier when the woman is choosing what type of food she’s choosing? I got a lot of hot college girls coming in and out of my store I shop. I live in College Station, Texas. Home of Texas A&M. It’s the 3rd largest campus in the USA. An example or advice would be helpful on how to hold frame with them.

      Longgone or Scribblerg, any help would be awesome.

  22. “The only people who falling asset prices are bad for are those who hold debt based on assets. Housing is the perfect example of this, and when prices fall, it’s those who are mortgaged to the hilt who get hurt. The person who owns his house outright without any debt or has only a 30 or 50% mortgage? He isn’t materially hurt at all. In fact, in an economy with a fixed amount of money, productivity improvements would result in constantly lower prices. Why doesn’t this sound good?”

    You say you do startups and the vast majority of businesses fail, how high would that percentage be if everyone’s merchandize cost more than they could sell it for, and they borrowed the money to purchase it? How many businesses don’t require a mortgage, or loan to run? That doesn’t even touch on large-scale industry. Our economy depends on functioning credit markets. Look at Japan.

    I can’t think of a deflationary cycle in any large economy with functioning credit markets that led to an increase in general household savings. It starts that way, but never ends that way. All of our depressions have been deflationary depressions and I don’t think anyone would classify those times as good for the average household/family. Eventually one has to eat the seed corn stores, can’t just sit on it forever and a family can only save when there is something coming in. Not that hyperinflation isn’t worse.

  23. “Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.”

    Even if it’s Friedman speaking, it’s still wrong. Inflation happens when demand exceeds supply, especially in labor. Monetary policy is relevant for that because it can increase demand (I think Friedman thought it wouldn’t too).

    “In fact, ZIRP has been a real world experiment in Keynsian economics and the results are in, it doesn’t work.”

    Compare that to Europe where there wasn’t any ZIRP and you’ll realize: it worked. The US recovered fairly well while Europe didn’t (except Germany, which did even more Keynesian fiscal policy. It payed people do ditch their old cars and buy new ones.)

    Regarding Deflation: The real issue isn’t holding assets of shrinking value. The issues are on one hand how in a Deflation prices will drop in the timeframe between buying pre-products, investing etc. and the sale of the finished product. Much harder to make any profits that way. Second: Rising asset prices increase demand (that’s how lowering rates by the FED actually does something) while falling asset prices decrease demand.

    But the most important point goes deep into how capitalism actually works: Where do profits come from at all? Or as Marx said it: “How do the capitalists manage to put only 500 $ in but get 600$ out?” As Say’s law and other thoughts from that direction state: The demand for buying products comes from the investment to create that product. The capitalist buys machines, work etc and so spends money into the economy. That money can then buy the products. But of course the amount of money spend into the economy is only what was invested. Question is: Where does the surplus, the profits come from? Who spends that money into the economy? The answer is: the next capitalist making another investment. And that’s why capitalism always needs more future investments – growth. Because otherwise there wouldn’t be money for profits of past investments. Since this is a nominal and not a real game, Inflation makes this far easier while it get’s way more difficult with deflation.

  24. @Liz- Just look at much of 19th century, early 20th century U.S. We had falling prices for many goods – this increasee prosperity.

    Your comments about startup equity financing seem to conflate debt with equity. There is no doubt that businesses with high levels of debt are “fragile” and may not be able to respond to changes in prices/assets as well as a business with a lower level of debt. But that’s an argument against insane levels of debt. The levels of debt we have currently are ridiculously high – personal, govt and corporate. I’m old enough to remember when people shunned debt and when the levels of “leverage” common in today’s financial markets would be considered suicidal.

    Looking at “deflation vs. inflation” is to fall into the central planners trap to begin with. Some prices go up, others go down – neither is ever a priori good or bad for us. Free markets setting prices work just fine and production/consumption arrange themselves accordingly. The Keynesians believe increasing the money supply has magical properties. I’ll share a little story I tell people who have trouble getting their heads around this:

    Imagine you are shipwrecked on an island with 50 other people. You also happened to wash up on shore with 100,000 in cash in a suitcase. After some time, your island community realizes that trade makes sense so you divide up the 100k evenly. Some people fish, other’s hunt small game, others forage for veggies/fruits and still other’s build huts and weapons/tools. The money is used as a means of exchange by the people on the island for the goods and services they all produce and consume.

    Now imagine a plane comes by and instead drops another suitcase of money in by parachute. Tell me, are the island dwellers any richer? Do they have more production? More assets? Has any wealth been created? Of course not – and the feds dumping money into our economy is no more useful than dropping another 100k on this island. We’ve just been convinced by central planners that they can accomplish magic by manipulating the economy like one “tunes” an engine – the essential delusion to fall out of Keynes’s General Theory. The economy isn’t an engine, money isn’t gasoline and central planners are utterly failing to actually create good economic outcomes all around the world despite unprecedented stimulus.

    Stop thinking in aggregates, they hide more than they reveal. Question: How do you cross a river an average of 6 feet deep?

  25. @LH – I’m done with economics here after this. All we need to know about you is this: “ZIRP worked” – lol. Wake up.

    Do yourselves a favor and read David Stockman’s The Great Deformation to get a sense of the monetary history of the U.S. and how badly our political masters mess with the economy to serve their political ends. None of what they do works. It’s not like some college textbook – it actually goes through episode after episode of the actions of policymakers, what their motivations were and the outcomes realized. It’s sobering, and terrifying.

    Our economy succeeds not due to planning, it succeeds despite planning.

  26. @Longgone – In it to win it – that’s the spirit. Check him out @Indiscreet – see the glee in his tone? Another old fuck like me getting some young ass, while you sit on the sidelines and come up with excuses. Who would you rather be?

    Let me also reiterate for those who don’t read here all the time. I fail most of the time with young women. I only get laid occasionally – my plates require a tremendous amount of wrangling as they are mercurial and really only fuck me when they are in the mood and come and go in and out of my life. But it’s just the scent of it, and the occasional bang that makes it all worthwhile. I also don’t really “care” whether any one of them fucks me or likes me or not. Funnily, this seems to be like catnip for them as too many young pussies chase them like flies to honey and this makes their pussies drier than the Sahara.

    My friend N. – the pro domme – is back in circulation. I’m higher value now and am better at game so I’m playing her for a more regular sexual thing. Turns out dominance and confidence over the long haul (known her for 15 months now) are irresistible to her. She keeps circling back even though she tries to dominate me or play games. I tell her in no uncertain terms to hit the bricks when she pulls this crap but never close the door permanently. Plate management only works when you have more than one, which is my advice to @Softek. The only sure way to not get oneitis is to have more than one woman in circulation. If I have just one I get too invested.

  27. But since you’ve decided to be such a flaming fucktard about this, and think you can just cruise above me and fling turds at me like some retarded monkey, let’s talk about inflation.

    hahaha, okay Mr. Money Supply. Sounds like you subconsciously look up to me. Let’s talk about that instead of inflation. 😉

  28. @scribblerg: “None of what they do works.”

    There are those saying “capitalism works and the politicians are making it worse (It’s usually the view of the rich, they already earned their money) and there are those saying “capitalism doesn’t work sustainably but with some help from government it can work quite well”. After the Great Depression there weren’t many economists left in the first camp. Hayek was one and lost all credibility as an economist by it. Friedman actually acknowledged capitalism doesn’t work without government help. He just thought it would be enough if the central banks do it. Anyway, both views can explain most of the less than perfect results in the real world.

    Btw: Did you know every period in US history where the government didn’t increase it’s debt for at least a year was followed by a financial crash and some kind of depression a few years later? No exceptions. Once you understand government surpluses are just a function of unsustainable private sector investment (increasing private sector debt) and deficits vice versa, this is nothing to wonder about.

    Enough of economics.

  29. Ben,
    I’m not talking shoppers here, but staff. Takes a couple visits and soon they’re shopping for you. You: “Hey babe, pick me out your best cut of veal for scaloppini”….and she does. You get compliance and she knows you cook. The next time she asks what cut you’re hungry for, but then she already knows doesn’t she? (Has it ready for you.) The time after that… You: “Nothing really, I just stopped by to see you….” Next visit at the end of her shift (which you’ve figured out by now) you’ll know what to do. Pretty rudimentary. Good luck.

  30. @lh
    While I would not conjecture on benefits of inflation vs deflation, increasing the monetary supply by govt. is in-essence a breach of contract.

    I understand that there are other factors in play like confidence in currency, exchange rates and even the espoused goal of expanding the money supply to reflect the growing wealth of the nation.
    I also understand that repaying debt in a non increasing money supply is a nightmare but that does not mean we increase the money supply to profit a few elite cronies while spreading the pain every where.
    But even here the debt keeps increasing every year exponentially. You can afford this only till you have reserve currency status and a confidence in your currency.

    If I pay you a dollar for your service , and next day/month/year it is worth half because I choose to double the money supply then I have essentially paid you only half a dollar.
    I have in essence forced you to spend or invest the capital which you could have saved to escape the predicament of seeing your wealth halving over time for no fault of yours.
    And how is forcing you to spend any part of free market capitalism.

    You might look at it as a necessary evil for continuation of the current way of life, but it is still a breach of contract.

    You are robbing Peter to pay Paul. No Exceptions.
    We should not put entire population of world on a treadmill existence of life so that the govts can profligate and money changers can skim their profits.

    “Btw: Did you know every period in US history where the government didn’t increase it’s debt for at least a year was followed by a financial crash and some kind of depression a few years later? No exceptions.”

    Yeah right, every time a heroine junkie does not has his fix , the junkie crashes. No exceptions.

    If GOTUS shuts down the Department of War, Department of Welfare entitlements and Departments of insane federal regulations, it will not need as much debt to operate.
    Essential GOTUS services are not expensive, its the waste everywhere.

  31. “2) Due process for false DV and rape accusations, with penalties for false accusations.”

    Due to a false molestation incident(Jasleen vs Sarabjeet) broadcasted across India, the public anger has been such that once Sarabjeet(man) is proven not guilty in court of law, people want Jasleen(female) to be held accountable for false complaint and all the emotional and monetary damages of Sarabjeet.

    This despite the media and the Feminists siding with Jasleen and harrassing Sarabjeet to apologize for the alleged crime he did not commit.

    There are too many eye witness accounts as well as Facebook and twitter feeds confirming Sarabjeet’s innocense. So much so that; all neighbors of Sarabjeet have come forward in his support including the many females.

    This mega wave of Feminist lies hit the shores of Family values in India but the shores are right now were protected by boulders of Forensics.

    The West really need to hold Feminists accountable for all the lies, damages and false convictions.
    But who will bell the cat?

    Details
    The girl and the boy had a traffic altercation at the busy road intersection in Delhi,India.
    The girl filed a false molestation complaint and in all likelihood the boy might have been convicted just on the girl’s word as the law says.

    But she had the audacity to post his picture on facebook calling him a molester and filing a false police report.
    The incident went viral. This action back fired when eye witnesses came forward and the facebook and twitter feed of the girl contradicted her police report.
    The boy is scared but has maintained his cool and has been consistent.

    Before the eye witnesses came forward the entire country had a trial by media of the boy. But now the same people are supporting his innocence.
    The girl is grasping for straws at the loss of face but she is loudly pleading still that she was molested.
    Many boys have starting posting sarcastic photos of random hot females on social media claiming “This hot girl raped me” or “This girl molested me”.
    Media and feminists have gone in hiding.

    There is a way more juicier story ongoing in Indian media which has again shamed both the Media and Feminist. Its a story of 3 generations of hypergamic incest fukkfest unraveled by a cold blooded murder within a powerful media family in India. It has elements of hypergamy, abandonment daddy issues , greed, mangina AFC behavior, feminine manipulation lies and deceit, and female solipsism at its finest.
    People are blaming western(feminism) values.
    Many are already waiting for the court to finish the verdict so that we can enjoy a blockbuster movie of this real life story.
    Will post the finest details later. Ain’t got time now.

  32. @LH – Lol, “Hayek lost all credibility” – methinks you don’t know jackshit about the Great Depression. Read Amity Shlaes The Forgotten Man and Stockman’s The Great Deformation and get back to me. None of what FDR did worked – at all. It made things worse, not better.

    Even worse for you is Truman after the war. Keynesians were warning of the great dislocation that would happen when all the military men returned and production went down after spiking during the war and Truman listened – and then did nothing. The economy reorganizes itself to due to prices, the profit incentive and property ownership. The legend that brilliant economists and politicians saved our country during the Great Depression is utter horseshit.

    But apparently you believe all of it. And oh yeah, don’t get back to me unless you’ve read both those books. Cuz if you do, you will have to re-evaluate much what you believe and know. Facts are stubborn things…

  33. Great comments, guys. Very thought-provoking. I even read scribbler’s comments until he started with the insults and arrogance. Then I just skipped over them.

    @longgone

    I don’t think they understood the sarcasm. I did. Good stuff.

  34. Kid,
    Not sarcasm and I couldn’t lie about something that outrageous. It was hard to maintain frame IRL because it played out like the script I’d semi-planned well in advance. There were really about two more visits for her two fetch my by now familiar requests, (compliance)… for a total of four or five rather than the three in my shortened version above. A little side-routine was that some of the other managers and co-workers also know my preferences in food and fetch them as well. Like Ben I always thought there was some potential for p u in the grocery store, and in fact in the city where I went to college there was one renowned as a place for singles to hook up in those days…as customers. Never worked for me. However the hot young workers are better potential, because for obvious reasons they can’t overtly blow you off, or just pick up the pace of their shopping and split. Compliance is part of their job description. Good stuff doesn’t quite go far enough, but thanks! It’s been hard to get a lick of work in today…..!

    1. Been getting into deep aspects of red pill thinking today while getting over myself and the traumas and demons of my past.

      Learned a few things about myself.
      I have specific trauma with shit test because of the constant comparison to Jesus.

      My mental point of origin is finally starting to come back to me.

      My buffers are stuff that keeps me away from growing.

      Glad to be here.

  35. rugby11ljh – “I have specific trauma with shit test because of the constant comparison to Jesus.”

    Just remember, your dad ain’t God, your momma had to fuck your dad, so she ain’t no virgin, and your doing pretty well inspite of that.

  36. https://longsworde.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/self-contradiction-b.jpg

    Two years have transpired since I first began reviewing this blog. On a consistent conscious level my red pill awareness began approximately 10 years ago. I am 52. Reflecting all the way back into childhood, I realize that awareness existed on a subconscious level beginning at a very early age and continued with sporadic episodes of conscious awareness overshadowed by social conditioning. I doubt any male growing up in America during the sixties and seventies could avoid feeling at least some vague dissonance regarding natural instincts and sense of self-preservation vs. the social conventions initiated and imposed during that time period….and certainly through present day.

    I have read all the posts here and many of the comments. I’ve read The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar (ten years ago); The Prince by Machiavelli (as a teenager); The 48 Laws of Power, The 33 Strategies of War, The Art of Seduction, The 49th Law, Mastery, all of Robert Greens books; How to Argue and Win Every Time by Jerry Spence; The Intimate Enemy by George R. Bach; The Road Less Traveled and People of The Lie by Scott Peck (really a whiner); How to Win Friends and Influence People; The Game by Neil Straus and many more over the years I don’t remember or care to recall at this point.

    My personal intellectual life has been strongly influenced by my desire to understand and experience a sense of balance or equilibrium with the “universe”, the world, life or whatever one labels “it”. We are “social animals”. I have always sought acceptance of and cooperation from other people because other people largely define that part of the universe closest to me….the “human universe”. My efforts have been expended both introspectively and extrovertly. This is what fundamentally motivated me to read everything mentioned above and eventually lead me to this site. I suspect your experience may be somewhat similar.

    All this information, these concepts, considerations, and paradigms have had time to steep within my brain. I understand our experience regarding women, the FI, Red Pill, etc. on a most fundamental level. I experience a more comprehensive awareness of this reality. However, I have stepped outside the box so to speak; including stepping back the concepts of Manosphere, Red Pill, Alpha-Beta, etc and considering all from a broader perspective. Please bear with me here and do not let any pre-established conditioning, fear, or bias let you misconstrue what I’m about to attempt to explain.

    Manosphere, Red Pill, Alpha Beta, etc. is an effort to establish or reestablish and define masculinity. It is a journey of sorts where we embark on a quest to find the lost holy grail of manhood. But, the journey is one that ends in a dead end loop. I am attempting to explain why. I agree the journey itself may be necessary to learn lessons only the journey itself may be able teach. There are many valuable lessons and facts revealed along the way. However, to avoid staying trapped at the end in a dead end loop, performing like a rat on a wheel, one must eventually abandon the quest. This can only be done when one realizes the origin of Manosphere, Red Pill, Alpha Beta, etc.

    Their origin is based on male perception of female perception of man. They are all defined by how man perceives woman to perceive man….what he thinks she thinks of him. Does she see this or that man (you) as alpha or beta? What aspect of game must you use at this time or that time and in what context to best facilitate her acceptance or stimulate her desire? If it doesn’t work, should you go MGTOW? I am not arguing that the perceptions of alpha, beta, game, etc. are inaccurate or that the tenants of game are ineffective. I am pointing out the fact that this model is based entirely upon what men think women think of men and the only reason a man would indulge is because he cares about what women think of him. The entire construct is based upon concern for what she thinks. Why should you care? If you do not care, then why read this blog, participate in the manosphere, etc.?

  37. @longgone

    Good for you, glad you got that going. I actually saw the supermarket girl yesterday for a second. Said, what’s up, how you doing? She replied, what’s up. I was in a hurry, had lots to get done. When I was walking out, there was a nerdy dude chatting her up, rambling on about something. She looked at me and I just smirked and walked out.

    BTW, the Chris Rock tongue piercing bit is great…

  38. Kid, Ben
    The check-out girls are probably the least likely prospects because they’re worked like dogs and have to keep up the pace, deal with nasty customers in a hurry, maxed ebt cards, etc. In addition, if cute she gets hit on all the time. Last thing she needs is meaningful eye contact with you while the rug rat behind you loots the candy rack. They’re good practice for your one-liners for confidence though, if you need it.

    The back-room gals – deli, meat, pastry have mind-numbing jobs too, and less contact with the public, so more moody and open to interaction. They aren’t observed/managed as much because they’re not handling the money so usually have (a little) more time to spare on you. Before this one I got a hot albino chick (sounds contradictory I know but you had to be there) who wore black undies under her white store duds to finally warm up to me after fetching for me for a half-dozen visits or so. She’s disappeared alas…..

    Chris Rock did a tongue stud joke? I’d give a listen if you linked it, but don’t have time to search him out.

  39. Not Born This Morning – “I am pointing out the fact that this model is based entirely upon what men think women think of men and the only reason a man would indulge is because he cares about what women think of him. The entire construct is based upon concern for what she thinks. Why should you care? If you do not care, then why read this blog, participate in the manosphere, etc.?”

    These are excellent questions.

    The only answer I can think of is that the Redpill path is the path to finding my true self, and pursuing my own happiness first and foremost. It’s a process of aligning my mental point of origin with my behavior, and the motivating desires that make life worth living.

    I have never dealt well with shit tests. I still don’t. I find them offensive and repugnant. I now understand why they happen, I don’t care, and I still refuse to take them seriously. I know that such tests are signs to cut losses and walk. In the past I’d resign and retreat because I can see a lost cause, and I’d blame myself. Now I laugh at the impertinence, and pretense of an inferior who craves chaos and discord. I don’t like having my mellow harshed by unnecessary bullshit. The more I learn the less I care about women think, and more importantly the less I care about what they feel.

    The above is important. Since I now have a better understanding of the dynamics involved I am free to choose what I want and no longer have any desire to attempt to negotiate. I can be Frankie Valli and walk like a man away from anything that doesn’t meet my particular needs all without guilt or concern for the other.

    I do like sex. So the other side of all of this learning how to reliably satisfy that need without paying high cash fees. Learning game, not just the tactics but the underlying structure and strategy, is very useful even if it does require knowing what women think of men via the filter of what men understand that to be. Sometimes the practical realities require some distasteful compromises of philosophical idealism.

    The ideal is a direction not a destination.

  40. @ Rugby “I have specific trauma with shit test because of the constant comparison to Jesus.”

    Wtf does that mean?

    Rule #1. Recognize it is a shit test
    Rule #2. React unemotionally.
    Rule #3. Skillfully respond with the appropriate words. Or don’t respond.

    I’m pretty sure Jesus would have and did pass shit tests well. Mentors are good for you learning the above three rules. Get a mentor. What man can’t look at how another man reacted to a shit test and not improve upon the response because they were not the target of the test?

    Furthermore Rugby (and I appologize to readers if I am overindulging in D. Deida chapters. By the time Rollo puts up a new post I might have quoted his whole book.) you need this timely tip:

    Live As If Your Father Were Dead

    A man must love his father and yet be free of his father’s expectations and criticisms in order to be a free man

    “Imagine that your father has died, or remember when he did die. Are there any feelings of relief associated with his death? Now that he is dead, is any part of you happy that you need not live up to his expectations or suffer his criticisms?

    How would you have lived your life differently if you had never tried to please your father? If you never tried to show your father that you were worthy? If you never felt burdened by your father’s critical eye?

    For the next three days, do at least one activity a day that you have avoided or suppressed because of the influence of your father. In this way, practice being free of his subtle expectations, which may now reside within your own self-judgment. Practice being free in this way, once each day for three days, even if you still feel fearful, limited, unworthy, or burdened by your father’s expectations. “

  41. In the section “Banter – HAVE FUN. Little Sister mentality”

    right after:

    Student ?

    “Oh my god, are you cutting classes right now?”

  42. This may not be as eloquent a thanks as you’ll see here, but thanks for helping me realize I’m not crazy after all. It’s amazing the social stigma that’s attached to understanding the social realities of our time.

    1. @Badpainter
      Just got done with rugby practice I helped a guy out with his solieus and told him cool ways to move dated without getting hit and way to increase mobility. Woke in cold sweats this morning and had a mixture of numb pain emotional and open careful attention to my feelings and emotions. I am disgusting the fact that the world love was always one sided. I’ve come to love women more an a profound deep spiritual level because of Rollo work. Rugby is still the only male outlet I really have. I play next to a female team called the Furry’s
      All in all being abandoned and hating myself for never learning game or adapting in maladaptive ways is slowly changing. It’s still funny how I’ve changed all my blue pill thinking into red pill thinking and laugh at myself for how long it took 27 yrs…
      I’ve always been red pill on a biological level that is. I think being fucked by your relatives takes away the blue pill facade of emotional numbness. It’s strange to be so happy yet so proudly angry and than use my breath to get over both.
      Rugby is where I beat the living hell out of people I bond with. It’s where all the abuse becomes “Game” it’s where I play the field and express things that where always inside me that I was told where part of why the world was fucked up and demanded to sanitize the brutal truths of nature.

      Holy Hell life is awesome.

      @Not born this morning
      What WE think hell that was a good read. It reminds me of a book in my hands by someone I’m reading now
      Peter van agtmael
      His book is called Disco Night 101
      http://redhookeditions.com
      Talks about what the dedication of preventive medicine is all about. Soldiers living some with red pill some blue pill some don’t give a hoot.

      @SJF
      “Rule #3. Skillfully respond with the appropriate words. Or don’t respond.”

      Got yeah I meant that to me it means I felt that wasn’t room for error. The perceptions and moral convictions destroyed any since of childhood play. I didn’t respond but was smacked by my mom when she wanted me to listen. Or at some point beating by farther as he would hell “Listen to your mother!”
      That what I mean

      My mentors all left when I bring up anything about the red pill. Had around five have none now I am my own mentor.

      “For the next three days, do at least one activity a day that you have avoided or suppressed because of the influence of your father. In this way, practice being free of his subtle expectations, which may now reside within your own self-judgment. Practice being free in this way, once each day for three days, even if you still feel fearful, limited, unworthy, or burdened by your father’s expectations.”

      1 threesome me and to groupies once in philly
      2 have sex in a library on books I grew up with having to read
      3 Order a pizza to my old bosses house but have him pay for it.
      4Drink alcohol
      5build a tree house and a rope swing as well as a diesel motorcycle.

      @nek
      “It’s amazing the social stigma that’s attached to understanding the social realities of our time.”
      Isn’t it wonderful?

  43. @Not Born This Morning
    September 1st, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    You either forgot to mention or forgot to read “The Way of Men” by Jack Donovan.

    There is redeeming value in his exposition of the masculine way in today’s feminized society. Whether it be a small, intermediate, or larger group of men exclusively (working in concert with the feminine, the old and the young), a gang of men can propel your masculine self-improvement with principles of strength, courage, mastery and honor (men’s honor among men). The trap of the dead end loop is broken by men’s advancing their cause (the masculine imperative and sexual strategy) by making themselves better at being men and embracing these principles. And mostly from a bottoms up approach (small groups upward). Men and woman are hardwired with biological imperatives that evolved over a long period of time. Women need men for complementary completeness (no matter how socially screwed up they have become). And women complementarily complete men. Make yourself a better man and women will come to you.

    As to the second to last sentence above, it was well said by ScribblerG August 30th, 2015 at 11:15 am:

    “One important point. I don’t believe women are useless at all. In fact, when it comes to aesthetics (a crucial part of life), emotions, maintaining coherence in social settings, nurturing and smaller but important tasks that are part of a bigger picture, I think women are impressive. Where they fall down is the big picture/complexity/technology and at managing risk intelligently. I believe men and women are complimentary when they both behave like men and women. The problem today is that women are aping men, and also have been filled with delusions by our FI soaked, femcentric society about their worth/power, and with denigrating views about men, fathers, boys etc. But a woman who is comfortable being a woman and lives her femininity full out is a thing of beauty, and a wonderment to behold. It’s just that most of them aren’t living this way anymore. This is also why so many of them are so stingy emotionally, which may be the most vile aspect of modern women.”

    Beautiful women who are feminine are a treat if you can get one.

    And go back and read ScribblerG, August 29th, 2015 at 8:45 am. Really, that is some profoundly inspiring shit. And note the sentence “But I stuck with it, and men here cheered me along the way”. That, my friend is the way of men. Real men, not the pussified people that pose as men these days.

  44. 4 years of brilliant posts that are truly eye opening. I never truly understood red pill and “PUA” concepts until I found this blog. Congratulations Rollo and looking forwards to several more years of your insights

  45. redlight,
    Thanks, I saved that, even old know-it-alls are tongue-tied sometimes w/ young hotties. I’ve got just the place to try out the butting in line routine…..

    Ben,
    “.. thanks. Great info.”

    Something my son said rarely if ever.

    You’re welcome of course….

  46. But a woman who is comfortable being a woman and lives her femininity full out is a thing of beauty, and a wonderment to behold. It’s just that most of them aren’t living this way anymore.

    This is mostly men’s fault in my opinion. Women that don’t have a real man to fulfill the masculine necessities of life aren’t able to relax into femininity.

    I think you can look at our situation at a macro level like you would with an individual woman. Women as a whole subconsciously resent us for even giving them the option to be men in women’s bodies. It’s like a macro level shit test that we’re failing. The result? An anxious, unsatisfied, nasty, angry populace of women with a general distaste for the neutered blue pill men out there consistently failing to put them in their place.

    Let’s let them have their President of the United States… Then “Play time is over ladies. Time to get back into the kitchen.” 🙂

  47. @Softek

    Do you want some advice?

    “#09 – Put yourself first at all costs.

    If you don’t love yourself nobody else will. If you don’t put yourself first, she won’t. If you put a woman first, she won’t appreciate that shit and ends up taking you for a sucker. But if you’re like “fuck it I don’t care what you need” they’re grateful for any little thing.

    Stop using the W words, “who”, “what”, “when”, “why” – stop giving a fuck, you know what happens if you ask them W words? You’re getting taken in and then you feel like you need to know what she thinks. The reason you think you need to know is because you think what she thinks is important and that essentially what she thinks is more important than what you think. In order to not give a fuck you’ve got to understand what your value is, this chick is interested in you because she sees some sort of value in you, if she thought you were a failure then she wouldn’t have anything to do with you in the first place, what you’re doing is changing her mind (of the opinion she’s formed that you’re worth knowing) and thus she’s re-evaluating your value. (From The Principles of Game @ Illimitable Men adapted/taken from the Beige Phillip Show)”

    And:

    Illimitable Men MAXIM #72 – “If you’re not where you want to be in life, do not have serious relationships with women. Her perception of you will remain rooted in the former version of yourself and her needs/issues will hinder your progress. Whilst you’re trying to build your business and body, she will whine, spread negative energy, and burden you with her problems. Her negativity will infect you, hindering your growth. If you’re not where you want to be aspirationally, you have no need for a serious relationship.”

    Don’t say someone didn’t warn you.

    Also from the Illimitable Men Red Pill Constitution:

    “15.) – Women do not care about male weakness and neither does society. If you are weak, depressed, small, poor, uneducated, unconfident, essentially anything which stops you from being powerful, then nobody cares. People only care about you when you’re powerful or a beautiful woman. You have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and rely on yourself because nobody else gives a fuck about you. You’re given a dichotomy, sink or swim, you sink, then you end up drowning yourself in failure and self-pity. When you swim and start riding tidal waves, that’s when people start taking notice. Society will always have a safety net for women, white knights will charge in, other women will side with her because they share a gender, and the state will provide welfare etc. As a man you have no such luxury, your propensity and ability to gain power is much higher than a woman’s but your ability to hit rock bottom is far more pronounced too. As men we are more extreme than women are. Women are typically average and don’t move much either side of the bell curve, as men we are either highly successful geniuses of repute that feminists can but scoff and be jealous of, the poster boys for their esteemed patriarchy, or we’re the invisible voiceless poverty-stricken peasant class that nobody gives a flying fuck about.”

    “25.) – Your value is everything so you should always be improving yourself. If you’re not then you cannot compete in the world and your life will be miserable, anaesthetized by nothing but the introversion of the four walls you reside in, kept docile by video games, porn, pizza and internet friends. Break free from the mediocrity. Self-improvement shouldn’t be this thing you dabble in, but a continuing and internalised lifestyle choice. See the article “Monk Mode” to begin your journey on the quest for greatness.”

    More IM Principles of Game from B. Phillip show

    “#06 – Trust your gut.
    If your balls are tingling a bitch is probably gonna kick you in the balls. Don’t ignore your better instincts for a whiff of the pussy. If a bitch gives you alarm, stop the interaction, don’t argue, just leave. Guys ignore their gut because they’re in love or in lust. Compromise when you’re comfortable, do not compromise when you’re uncomfortable as when it gets thrown in your face, because you bent over too far backwards, you’re not just going to be angry at her but at yourself too because you compromised yourself.

    #07 – If anything goes wrong it’s always your fault (because she’s a reflection of you.)
    Anything that happens in a relationship that goes bad with your woman, if your woman’s a bitch, if she’s disrespectful, if she cheats on you, if she leaves you, if she takes your money – it’s your fault. The way she treats you is down to the presentation you give her.
    There’s no such thing as victims, just volunteers.”

    “#12 – Everybody “gets got” at some point.
    You will fall in love, get your heart-broken and get fucked over, it’s inevitable and you need the experience to become a true player in the game, use your heartbreak as a learning experience to catapult yourself forwards.”

    “#23 – The game is going down.
    The game is happening whether you’re playing or not, you can either learn to play good or you can learn to lose. Choosing not to play the game doesn’t mean you’re not in the game it just means you’re gonna lose quicker. You have to learn the rules of engagement in order to play the game.”

  48. @Andy

    “This is mostly men’s fault in my opinion. Women that don’t have a real man to fulfill the masculine necessities of life aren’t able to relax into femininity.”

    I agree that Western men in general have slowly been wussified and pussified over the last several generations. However, concurrent with this has been the masculinization of women, fed by the ubiquitous feminist “empowerment” narrative, whereby acting feminine invites “oppression” and is somehow less dignified than acting like a man with no penis (i.e. an inferior facsimile of masculinity). Of course, this is all part of the androgyny objective – feminize the men, masculinize the women, become in some warped way “whole in oneself,” as Rollo has written about in The Curse of Jung.

    If a woman refuses to submit to a man’s leadership, per what’s natural for her female instincts, and insists on being “strong, independent, and empowered,” then there’s really no bandwidth left available on which a man can operate as a man. If the shit tests become too numerous and intense, and the rebelliousness, stubbornness, and intransigence starts to resemble a teenager (or worse), most men – even the most ‘masculine’ – will eventually say, “fuck it” because it’s not worth the time and effort, even if she’s a hottie.

    As an aside, I think Jung had some interesting insights into psychological archetypes, symbols, dream interpretation, and the occult. However, his research and writings on the anima and animus have been warped. The “anima” being a man’s unconscious feminine shadow side and the “animus” being a woman’s unconscious masculine shadow side. Saying a man is “anima possessed” means that he’s moody, emotional, changeable – basically acting like a caricature of a woman. Jung postulated that such a man’s conscious mind is being taken over by it’s unconscious “feminine shadow” – the anima. Conversely, a woman who is “animus possessed” is argumentative, shrill, sarcastic, – acting like a caricature of a man. Her conscious mind is being overcome by her unconscious “male shadow” – the animus. (This would be your typical feminist…)

    @SJF & Softek

    Illimitable Men is great. Great complimentary material to The Rational Male, for sure. IM needs to do a book, too.

  49. Witnessed an example of open hypergamy the other day. The Hulu Series Difficult People. Basically the main character dates the most Beta guy that ever existed. I don’t know what to make of it because the show is actually satirizing open hypergamy. Either this show is way ahead of it’s time, or open hypergamy is already so blatant that popular culture is mocking it.

    Here’s a key scene. Main character invites alpha over for dinner with herself and beta boyfriend. Tries to manage a three-way:

    https://youtu.be/FL_ZP_QXBrI?t=11m46s

  50. Boy, that was hard to watch. This seems like an awful, shitty show. I’ll be glad when it vanishes.

    Anyone here think that potato chip boy was an Alpha? If so, how so?

    I see 2 betas being manipulated by one broad.

    Am I wrong? ( Hell no I’m not wrong. )

    Open hypergamy is blatant in society. Examples abound in popular media and culture. The few times I watch commercial television I’ve noticed how viewers are bombarded with a constant hypergamic drum beat.

    Rollo posted this earlier, but it bears repeating as 1 example…

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxd49IRu02E?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D

    Being blue pill means that the message in this commercial will escape you.

  51. If the shit tests become too numerous and intense, and the rebelliousness, stubbornness, and intransigence starts to resemble a teenager (or worse), most men – even the most ‘masculine’ – will eventually say, “fuck it” because it’s not worth the time and effort

    Yeah, I get it. At that point a spanking is necessary. Even then the risks are high and “consent” gets all complicated.

    I really only see one option.

    Force the Red Pill down society’s throat. “Take care” of our women and girls at an individual level and inform people about what makes women happy, and what doesn’t.

    Women’s reaction to this will answer the questions of whether or not they have moral agency, and what needs to be done next.

  52. @Blax

    From an RP perspective, would she be an Alpha Widow to ‘Brad’? I’m just not getting the open hypergamy connection in this commercial. Didn’t get it when Rollo first posted it, either.

    However, the open hypergamy in this commercial that Rollo posted a while back is clear as day:

  53. @Andy

    “Yeah, I get it. At that point a spanking is necessary. Even then the risks are high and “consent” gets all complicated. ”

    Good luck with the spanking if she doesn’t view you as ‘dominant’ and ‘worthy enough’ to spank her. Then it magically becomes domestic violence. And if she’s taking the shit tests and bad behavior to 50,000 RPMs, it’s not clear she views any man as dominant and worthy enough to submit womano y mano.

    BTW, how do I italicize text when typing a comment? I can’t figure it out.

  54. Thanks for your contributions, Rollo. I’ve stopped by every now and then since I saw your comments at Roissy’s. I consider you the “brains of the manosphere”. (The heart of the same is someone else, and Heartiste is of course the dick.)

  55. @ Kid,

    Nah, she’s not an Alpha widow. Notice her spiel about ” ..Loved Brad..” and all the qualifiers – ” Nothing can replace…Brad..”

    Then liberty mutual calls, and you break into your happy dance. Like, oh..fuck Brad.

    Takeaway: Women ” loovvveee ” you, unless they find something they consider better, or something they perceive as benefitting them.

    For me the kicker is the silly grin.

    I’ve watched women interact with one another in my life with similar giddy indifference to their proclamations vs. their actions.

    Happy Dance Indeed.

  56. @Kid Jupiter

    Only after you are your own mental point of origin, agree to a bottoms up approach to the red pill and agree to always follow the Iron Rules of Tomassi, will Rollo grant you special HTML privileges to italicize.

  57. @ rugby11ljh – SJF – Badpainter

    Thanks for your responses.

    I am certainly not abandoning red pill, game, alpha – beta, etc. as they are true. The mechanics of them are undeniably in effect. However, the context within which they are referenced is vitally important. A completely realistic context must be maintained or we deceive ourselves

    Really when I think more about what I wrote above in the earlier comment, I’m now at a place where I have completely disconnected from the “matrix”. I now comprehend the fact that the “matrix” has no real value for me whatsoever. Based on experience, actual value of life has come only from my own understanding and efforts regarding the way I see the world realistically from my own viewpoint and applying effort based on that alone, never from any attempt to follow a prescribed script. I am the center of my universe. Not because I am a selfish person, but because there is no other vantage point from which I can experience life. It is the same with every individual. I think so many of us embark on a journey so to speak when we are young. And we consider our journey to be like a quest for fulfillment and self actualization based on performance regarding things such as honor, integrity, etc. We each believe that we are unique in this quest but we are not and the quest is really not a quest or a journey at all. It is really a path laid out for us…… it is a path of self denial.

  58. “It is really a path laid out for us…… it is a path of self denial.

    I’m not sure. I feel my path is leading me to wide open self fulfillment. And no one laid it out for me. I took it.

  59. Meant to say I’m not so sure. I think I need to pass a few more levels until Rollo will give me the edit codes.

  60. @SJF

    I’m working on these things of which you speak. I look forward to the day that I have the option to italicize. Then I’ll know I’ve come a long way.

  61. There is a difference between “following your path” and blazing your own trail. This is the distinction I’m attempting to explain.

  62. If you “took it”, then it was pre-established. Otherwise, it would not have been available for you to take.

  63. @Kid. Normal html tags. Left anglebracket/letter i/right anglebracket/then your text whatever bla bla/ left bracket/forward slash/letter i/right bracket
    If you’re a shouty sort you can have fun replacing letter i with b; e.g. lolzllzilllzz. See?

    I usually fuck mine up good and proper, if I don’t accidentally delete the whole comm. first. Such is life.

    1. @Not Born this morning
      Your welcome

      A path can be built and perhaps returned to.
      https://m.soundcloud.com/sohesado/tool-10-000-days-01-vicarious
      If it takes 10,000 hrs to master something Robert green pointed out. If we have 10,000 days if we are lucky since birth.
      Are culture and circumstances places a huge part in how we operate in the world. I think the way you use the red pill is increasing your humanity by your masculinity. The way you handle rejection the way you handle the knowledge you have of yourself the way you dream create personality while evolving into the greatest aspects in all regards to the fullest.

      “Be not disgusted, nor discouraged, nor dissatisfied, if thou dost not succeed in doing everything according to right principles; but when thou bast failed, return back again, and be content if the greater part of what thou doest is consistent with man’s nature, and love this to which thou returnest; and do not return to philosophy as if she were a master, but act like those who have sore eyes and apply a bit of sponge and egg, or as another applies a plaster, or drenching with water. For thus thou wilt not fail to obey reason, and thou wilt repose in it. And remember that philosophy requires only the things which thy nature requires; but thou wouldst have something else which is not according to nature.- It may be objected, Why what is more agreeable than this which I am doing?- But is not this the very reason why pleasure deceives us? And consider if magnanimity, freedom, simplicity, equanimity, piety, are not more agreeable. For what is more agreeable than wisdom itself, when thou thinkest of the security and the happy course of all things which depend on the faculty of understanding and knowledge?”

      http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.5.five.html

      We all change paradox humor and change. I see the redpill as the force the energy that becomes a deep seeded internal truth of human existence.

  64. @SJF – You are on fire, buddy. Keep it coming. The whole “if you are not where you want to be in life, don’t get in a serious relationship” – wow, just a mindblowing truth that I always knew instinctively.

    The bit about acting as if your Dad is dead – when my Dad died a year and a half ago I felt a profound sense of freedom. He was a nasty prick, and I thought I was free of him long ago. If only I’d known that pretending he was dead would be so empowering…

    Last, “Women do not care about male weakness and neither does society.”
    @IndiscreetThoughts – read the section SFJ posted above starting with this sentence. It expresses what I’ve known in an inchoate way but have been unable to verbalize. The prize for being a striver isn’t just victory, it’s the entire world cheering you on as you really fight. Not doing just enough so you can justify your complaints or whining or self pity, but really leaving it all on the field. Your blood, your sweat, your agony – this is what great men are respected for. We all know victory and wins are also based on fortune, but the man who plays all out? The man who lets his heart and mind scream out and follows them with every fiber of his being? He will have amazing power and opportunities (and pussy) laid at his feet.

    I’m a barely noticeable example of this kind of living, a tiny starter package, a glint of it. But everyone around me is drawn to me now, in every aspect of my life.

    One more quickie. The Deida book makes note of the special energy a young women can provide a man and all I can do is agree vigorously. Which is why I only pursue them. I could fuck late 30/early 40 somethings who are decent looking all day long, but there is no zing, no spark. There is just something about young women.

    Okay, off to reward myself with steak and some fine herb. It’s interesting, since I stopped smoking weed to cover up my anxiety and self-loathing, I enjoy treating myself with it occasionally ever so much more. Just a couple of tokes while I cook a great meal and settle in with the Deida book.

    Thanks, SJF. You are making amazing contributions to this community.

  65. Regular HTML uses the brackets. WordPress uses the greater than or less than symbols above the comma and period on the keyboard.

    Try it again.

  66. And sorry about the kidding Kid re: italics. Just shit testing you.

    If you really get fancy Diplomat try [del] [/del] to really fuck mess with the occasional comment interlopers.

  67. “No worries. I can handle good-natured ball busting.”

    That is the the correct answer proper red pill/game reply.

  68. I still can’t even figure out the italics and bolding and you’re going to throw the cross out shit at me? WTF, man? More study needed.

  69. [i]italics[/i]

    On the left of the words you want you want to italicize put an i surrounded by the less than sign on the left of the “i” letter and a greater than sign on the right of the “i”. Then just after the words you want to italicize put a forward slash then “i” enclosed by the same symbols. What you type to enclose should look just like the brackets surrounding the word italics above but with the greater than an equal signs instead of the brackets.

    This is “code”. When you post it the symbols and the i’s don’t show but now will appear like this: italics.

    And yes it is a lot of work for your fingers. You can do it.

  70. I can’t right now. I’m out drinking. On a Wednesday night. That’s fking red pill all over the place. There’s some chick here with words tattooed on the side of her foot. I can’t read what it says, but it’s a good thing I read the 24 Signs She’s A Slut post on ROK. Now I know… She’s a little fat, cute face. Foot tattoo.

  71. WTG, Kid! Pretty much everyone here gets all of his spurious awesome red pill advice from ROK. Their insightful articles (and particularly the neo-masculinity discussions on the ROOSHV forums) have really honed my LARPing game.

    Now go get yourself a piece of that fatty dime.

    **apologies to SJF for abusing his gift of these new HTML superpowers.

  72. Diplomat, this place is like Octoberfest. Lots of bratwurst on the grill. She’s got the sausages three deep right now. I wish I knew how to attach a pic, but I can’t even figure out how to do italics right now so pics would be like advanced calculus. I’m just hanging with a couple of buddies.

  73. Is LARPing a Dungeons & Dragons reference? Because there were some guys doing their fantasy football draft in the back room and it looked like a D&D convention.

  74. I would like to say a thing or two about myself.

    I started posting here a year or so ago. I decided to change myself around because I had a few things that weren’t congruent with who I was as a disciplined, skilled, intellectual by design kind of person.

    I jumped into the fast waters and started paddling furiously as therapy. Therapy is a poor word for a man trying to improve himself. It implies weakness so I have taken to calling it masculine self-improvement. Most of what I posted up until recently was me trying to find myself in the context of red pill and game as a monogamously married 54 year old. Truth be told, through much of last winter and spring I was drinking too much bourbon and posting too much here because it was a venue. And the bourbon was a bad habit.

    Back at the end of May and into June I had my creative/active phase end and my mastery phase of red pill/game start. The red pill and game has transformed my control over my circumstances and the degree to which I can control my life. It has given me real power.

    Now I have not had the frustrations with lack of success, the brutal ass-raping of divorce, or the grief of losing children in some fashion. I had good parents, lived in comfortable upper middle class places all my life and have been successful in my career. I embarked on red pill game and masculine self improvement because of my inspiration, not desperation or frustration.

    Last month on August 1st another commentator here inspired me offline to stop drinking. (He shall remain nameless for now, but you can easily guess) I was drinking way too much. I never had it cause me any real grief and once again I decided to quit out of inspiration. And I didn’t have any real difficulty in stopping since then. I was singularly focused on the mission for a number of reasons. One was to lose my fat gut (and I’ve lost 10 lbs) and another was the classic be more attractive to my wife.

    I stopped posting too much last month because I finally just got it (red pill/game) and feel in tremendous control. I feel like a million bucks now and one more time I am posting out of inspiration, not desperation. I got a million things to say. I really turned around the dynamic with my wife, but it still needs work. It was always as good as I wanted. She’s attractive and has never failed to pass the boner test for me. I really can’t put into words what is going on now because it is at a tipping point. It is good and it is a hell of a lot better than it was two years ago. Maybe I can speak more about it as time passes.

    I definitely am my own point of mental origin. I can keep frame very well. I can pass shit test well. But word to the wise out there: you are not passing shit tests if you can’t do it without showing emotion. I’m still working on that. I can do it but it is not natural and unconscious yet. I have to think about it, and sometimes I’m too late on the draw.

    One thing that I’m working on is Illimitable Man’s Maxim # 24 “If a woman is with a submissive man trying to become dominant, she will utterly oppose him. She has accepted he is submissive and so she revels in the power her control gives her. If he becomes dominant, she loses the power and resources her monopoly granted her. And she will never forget his old ways. She will never really believe he is a worthy leader.”
    Guys, it is better to never abdicate dominance to your woman, rather than try to gain it back. I’m doing it but it is hard. And something being hard never, ever discouraged me. I can do it.

    I could go on an on, but I want to thank Rollo for the blog and for letting my pressure of speech in the past year ramble on. Rollo’s essays and the commentariat are transformative and life-changing for me. I thought I would take a respite from posting so much, but with my current self-mission to stop drinking alcohol I have needed to keep physically busy and mentally and intellectually busy. Lest you think I’m spending too much time in front of the keyboard, I have to say I am not. I’ve been out farming my ass off at my wildlife habitat farm, golfing, socializing well, meeting with friends, moving my kids back and forth to apartments and houses at college and staying physically busy (did I mention I lost 10 lbs in a month?) and working at my profession with ease. I work 2 1/2 days a week and I’m not poor.

    So anyway thanks a million to Rollo Tomassi.

  75. I know Rollo already posted a new essay just now, but I already typed this up and it didn’t fit there, so:

    Back 12 to 15 years ago or so I had read Deida’s “The Way of the Superior Man”. I couldn’t fathom its insights back then and I dismissed a third of it as un-doable. But that was because I was a lesser man. A lot of this stuff now after partially mastering red pill and game is much more doable. I hope some of you go out and buy the book. It will make me feel less guilty about cribbing it here. He wrote the book back in 1997 but it is pretty much the model for Roissy’s 16 Commandments of Poon.

    A lot of talk in the manosphere and here on TRM about plate theory would be a seeming contradiction to a monogamous marriage. I don’t see it as a contradiction, though and the following chapter 26 explains why not. I’m not against plate theory. I have no moral qualms about a man needing or having more than one woman at all. And I have no qualms about being monogamous at all either. My staying married and wanting to be married to my wife and still fuck only one woman until I can’t anymore is by all means an outlier situation.

    Lucien brought up the idea of suppression earlier. In a bad way. “But self-discipline is not self suppression. Suppression is when you resist and fight against your desires, keeping them as buried and unexpressed as possible. Self discipline is when your highest desires rule your lesser desires, not through resistance, but through loving action grounded in understanding and compassion.” And I have had no qualms about self discipline. I’ve been successful at it all my life. I don’ t have problems with self suppression. I do a lot of shit I enjoy and don’t feel guilt very much at all

    Check this out:

    You Will Often Want More Than One Woman

    Any man with a masculine sexual essence will desire sexual variety. Even if he loves his intimate partner and is completely committed to her, he will naturally want sexual occasions with other women besides his chosen intimate partner. How a man deals with his desire for other women is up to him. He should know, however, that there is no way to avoid such desires. He should also know that acting on such desires, though temporarily enlivening and exhilarating, often ends up complicating his life far more than the occasion itself is worth.

    Even if you are totally committed to your intimate partner in love, you probably think about having sex with other women. Even if you are totally fulfilled by the sex you share with your woman, you probably still desire sex with other women. Your desire for other women is not a reflection of any lack in your intimacy, it is a reflection of your nature as a masculine sexual being.

    But this desire is not an excuse for promiscuity, any more than your enjoyment of TV is an excuse for becoming an obese couch potato. Desire springs from many sources, such as your addictions, your biological heritage, your childhood conditioning, and your open heart. To live a life of impeccable integrity, you must discriminate the source of your desire, so you know when to discipline your behavior for everyone’s benefit, including yours.

    The fact is you probably want to have sex with other women besides your intimate partner; how you respond to this fact is a reflection of your purpose in life. If your purpose is to enjoy physical pleasure no matter the consequences, then you should screw as many women as you want. If your purpose is to be a nice boy and please “mommy,” then you should do what makes your woman happy. If your purpose is to liberate yourself and others into love and freedom, then you should do whatever magnifies the love and freedom in your life and in the lives of those whom your actions affect.
    It’s your call. Just remember that self-discipline is not self-suppression. Suppression is when you resist and fight against your desires, keeping them as buried and unexpressed as possible. Self discipline is when your highest desires rule your lesser desires, not through resistance, but through loving action grounded in understanding and compassion.

    How many women you have sex with is your business. Before you consider more than one, however, it is best to prove your capacity with one. If you can’t handle one—if deep communion, rejuvenating passion, and spiritual happiness are not the main features of your present intimacy—then you have not passed the test, and it is best to discipline your desire for other partners, since nobody is likely to be served.

  76. @SJF

    I understand what you’re saying, and I think your reasoning is sound. You’ve definitely thought about this, and I’m not in your shoes so I’m not going to judge right or wrong. I definitely understand the issue of complications arising from the natural male desire to have multiple women when you’re in a committed relationship.

    But you might be trying to rationalize a necessity into a virtue. It’s obvious you’re questioning some things. But I’m not in your position, so I’m just commenting as an observer.

  77. @Blaximus

    “Being blue pill means that the message in this commercial will escape you.”

    I shit you not, when that Liberty Mutual commercial came on my roommate was like, “haha. this commercial is sooo sexist!”

    I’ve tried challenging him to see this shit that exists in almost every TV show we watch, where there are open, frequent themes of male emasculation and humiliation as major parts of the storyline. But he resisted viciously. It’s depressing on a very deep level.

    I’m going to say it here because I can’t say it anywhere else: the guy is a fucking loser.

  78. Thanks RT,

    Like many here, I wish I’d heard about RP 30 years ago. It’s explained many puzzling things in my life.

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