Adaptations – Part II

Studio 54

When I first published the comparative SMV graph a few years ago one of the first criticisms was that the age comparisons between men and women seemed too concrete and too specific to contemporary times. I tried to make concessions for this then, but when I was writing that post it was at first meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Still, I try to write with the presupposition that critics will take things either too literally or too figuratively. I knew that the literati then and now would think, “…well, yes it’s a good outline, but you’re looking at the SMV from the perspective of 2012 and society was much different 50, 70, 100, 2,000 years ago so this graph is flawed…”

My SMV graph was never meant to be some canonical tablet handed to me from the almighty. I thought of it then, and still think of it now, as a very good workable outline for how men and women’s comparative SMV relates to the other. This has been borne out in many other statistics from individual studies sent to me by readers or just my coming across them since I created that graph.

That said, and in relation to where I’m going with this Adaptations series, those critics aren’t wrong to suggest that this outline would be subject to the social environments and simple physical realities of earlier times, and likely some times yet to come.

Take what I’m about to delve into here with a bit of salt; I’m not a historian. One of my favorite figures from the civil war ear was Colonel Robert Gould Shaw. If you’ve seen the movie Glory you know who I’m referencing here. This young man was 23 when he enlisted and 25 when he was promoted to Major and then Colonel. In that time Shaw saw some pretty grisly shit, including the battle of Antietam.

I’d seen the movie when it first came out in 1989, but after watching it again for a class assignment I had a new appreciation for the real man who was Robert Shaw. I saw the film using what was just becoming my Red Pill lens. It struck me that the realities of that era forced men to become Men much sooner than men do today. The realities of our times give us a leisure the men of Shaw’s age simple couldn’t imagine. The realities of that time necessitated a quick maturation to bear the burden of heavy responsibilities. Those burdens were much more imperative then, but a 23 year old is still a 23 year old.

I thought about how I’d spent my own years between the ages of 23-25 when I was at the peak of my semi-rock star tail chasing in the late 80’s Hollywood scene. I began to really think about the differences in the social and physical environments of the 1860s and the 1980s-90s. I’ve always joked that men don’t become Men until they’re 30. Even on the SMV graph the point at which I attribute men’s real ascendency to their peak SMV at around age 30, but this wasn’t always the case in the past.

Men (comparatively) live longer lives as a result of health and medical advances, but (at least in westernizing culture) it takes much more time and personal investment, as well as acculturation for men to realize their personal potential. Men’s burden of performance wasn’t much different in prior eras, but the timeframe necessary to reach a man’s peak potential was much more accelerated.

So to address the concerns of the temporal critics of the SMV graph, yes, this graph might look a bit different to the men and women of the 19th century. Considering lifespans of the era and the social conditions then, the ages during which a woman would reach her own peak might be around 17, and a man’s may be 25, however the same curves of the bell wouldn’t change drastically. Men adapted to the conditions their environment dictated to them then in much the same way they did before and after the sexual revolution. And this adaptation came as the result of what was expected of them as their burden of performance, as well as what their social leisures would permit them.

Love American Style

Into the 70’s the new social contract of the Free Love generation began to take a new shape. Bear in mind that this new equalitarian contract was based on the hopeful presumption that both sexes would mutually honor the “what’s on the inside is what counts” normalization of attraction. Under this contract women’s Hypergamous natures could flourish, while men’s unlimited access sexual strategy could ostensibly be realized.

Of course these lofty, higher-consciousness, presumptions  were meant to supersede human nature and an evolved sexual arousal function based on human biology. One thing that still thwarts ideological feminism today is that its perceived goal states contradict human beings’ natural states. This contradiction gets narratively blamed on men not wanting to cooperate with feminism, but even the most ardent feminist is still guilty of her own biology and arousal triggers contradicting herself.

Biology trumps conviction. People get fidgety when I apply this in a religious context, but it’s equally applicable to feminism and really any ideology that under-appreciates human nature and the realities of its conditions.

As the new sexual landscape began to solidify, men began to adapt their own sexual strategies to the conditions of this fast and loose environment. Just prior to the Disco Generation hardcore pornography began its path to the ubiquitous porn we know today. The sexual restraint necessitated by the realities of prior generations loosened in light of widespread hormonal birth control and safe(er) legal abortion.

While Hypergamy was effectively unleashed, the women of this era hadn’t fully grasped the scope of it being so or what it would become. Acceptable premarital sex, abortion and unilaterally feminine controlled birth control meant that women had an unprecedented degree of control over their Hypergamous decision making. I doubt many women of the time understood this, but the only real control men had (and still have now) over women’s breeding and birthing outcomes was now grounded in the psychological (Game) or the physical (arousal). Provisioning was still a consideration for women, but the division between short-term and long-term pairing became more stark.

As I mentioned here in the beginning, a slowing of the maturation process was the inevitable result of women’s freedom of Hypergamous choice. Short-term Alpha Fucks no longer posed the same societal and personal risks of a pre-birth control generation, thus long-term pairing choices (Beta bucks) began to be delayed. The ideological cover story was one of women expecting men to “love their insides” despite their age, psychological baggage or physical condition.

Women’s preoccupation with The Wall was ostensibly mitigated by the Free Love social contract that men would honor their end of the higher-consciousness equalitarian dream of a mutually agreed attraction based on intrinsic qualities. The biological realities for both sexes was much different.

Women trusted they could be sexually ‘free’ without social stigmatization, but the reality was that the long-term needs of Hypergamy could be postponed in what would eventually become a Sandbergian sexual strategy. The more Alpha men of the time – ones in touch with the visceral nature of women and themselves – understood the incredibly boon this represented to them.

It’s important to bear in mind that Hypergamy was not the openly embraced dynamic it’s come into today. Thus, the unspoken, secretive nature of Hypergamy was something a man who ‘just got it’ instinctively understood and women were aroused by it.

Machismo

During the 70s ‘Macho’ men began to adapt to a new paradigm. They adapted to the reality that women were conflicted by the Free Love paradigm. These men embraced both the sexual openness expected of women, but they also understood that in spite of the social contract of love being based on intrinsic qualities, women still wanted to fuck (with abandon) the men with extrinsic arousal triggering qualities. The physical began to take priority above the emotional pretentiousness.

The macho quality could take different forms. Whether is was the good ole boy of the south or the Tony Manero at Studio 54, understanding the mindset is what’s important here.

Macho men in the discos and key parties of the 70s figured out they could ‘Game’ the old paradigm of non-exclusivity paired with birth control by re-embracing (with disco era gusto) a masculinity that had been abandoned just a decade earlier. Unlimited access to unlimited sexuality was for men who overtly challenged the Free Love preconditions. They enjoyed the rewards of its expectations of women while rebounding off the self-expectations of the Beta men who were still cooperating with the Free Love social contract.

This era is an interesting parallel to our own. I think much of the Red Pill resentment coming from men still plugged into a Blue Pill mindset is rooted in a similar perception that they’re playing by an acceptable set of rules that “men with Game” are exploiting for their own selfish ends. What they don’t realize is that their Blue Pill interpretations are a designed part of a social paradigm that supports feminine primacy. Game works because, like the macho men of the 70s, it’s primarily based on women’s inborn psychology and the visceral realities of women’s biological impulses.

Beta men in the 70s still believed that the Free Love mindset was equally and mutually beneficial for both sexes since it was supposedly based on a freedom from performance for themselves while freeing women from sexual repression and (covertly) from the reality of the Wall. In reality the Free Love paradigm put men at a disadvantage by giving women almost total control of Hypergamy and the time in which to realize short term mating and long term provisioning.

So these men’s resentment of the Alphas of the era is understandable when you consider that their visceral attractiveness was observably and behaviorally arousing to women who were supposed to idealistically love them for who they were not what they were. These men represented a return to that burden of performance they’d hoped to avoid in the Free Love contract.

These Alpha men understood women’s base impulses then, and that understanding became an integral part of their “just getting it” attraction. However, as we’ll see in the next part of this series, these men would eventually become the butt of their own joke as the Feminine Imperative fluidly transitioned into a new social paradigm of Fem-powerment developing in the 80s and reaching its apex in the 90s.

The arousing ‘macho’ men, the Alphas of the era, would systematically become the most ridiculed parodies and caricatures of masculinity as women came into a better understanding of the power they were only beginning to realize and the Beta men took their perceived revenge. And likewise men adapted to this new paradigm based on the same visceral reality women’s sexuality is fundamentally based on.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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M Simon Japanese Honor in WWII: The Massacre of the SS Jean Nicolet The Liberty ship SS Jean Nicolet was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine on July 2, 1944, off Ceylon (Sri Lanka). She had a 41-man crew, plus 28 Armed Guard, 30 passengers and an Army medic. All survived the explosion. They were taken aboard the sub and their lifeboats and rafts were sunk. With their hands tied behind their backs they were forced to sit on deck. Japanese sailors massacred many with bayonets and rifle butts. Thirty survivors were still on deck with their hands tied when a… Read more »

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Forgot the link:

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@ M Simon

You’re pressing my button.

Just my interest?
Why do I smell a “pyramid scheme”?

I’ll read more about it another time and understand the broader picture better. I have to do real stuff today.

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Atticus June 24th, 2015 at 4:23 pm And don’t forget the Rape of Nanking. None the less. Americans concentrated on Japanese logistics and the Japanese concentrated on American warships. And your example notwithstanding the Japanese considered it more honorable to sink a carrier than to sink an oiler. And that in spite the fact that the oiler was an easier target and the carrier was immobile without it. The US did not defeat the Japanese Navy. It consigned the Japanese Navy to port for lack of fuel. The US defeated Japan by sinking the Japanese merchant fleet. US submarines did… Read more »

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Vulpine June 24th, 2015 at 4:28 pm Why am I not very interested in your current knowledge? That is never what I look for in a hire. Knowledge can be acquired if you have the basics. For me desire is way more important. That will fill gaps and overcome obstacles. As to pyramid? Well explain. We are not offering a piece of the action depending on how many people you recruit. If you contribute to the design, construction, testing effort we intend to pay. And we ask for no effort until we can pay. If you want to learn more… Read more »

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Here is something I forgot about: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/06/fusion_energy.html

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Razorwire – “A mom who goes full AF/BB with kids in tow may get sold as the heroines journey, but it still strikes me as deeply selfish.” Yup agree. The ex got a standing ovation from the other post-wall soccer mom cheer squad for going full AF/BB. The typical you-go-girl bla bla vomit. In fact, I even recall one chunk of vomit was the term “brave”. Yeah, give her a medal of bravery. The ex might have executed the AF/BB strategy, but her new cock/cuck simply does not have (or ever will have) the history, love, & deep connection I… Read more »

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@Atticus “On a base level hypergamy IS the feminine imperative. Hypergamy and women’s sexual pluralism is literally written into women’s genetic code. In her proliferative phase, women’s hormonal predisposition is for Alpha seed, after ovulation and menses the hormonal predisposition is for Beta need. Feminism, and all of the operative social, political and psychological conventions that are derived from it serve a solitary purpose – the advancement and consolidation of the Feminine Imperative as the dominant socio-sexual frame for our species…” Setting next to a couple about to get divorced at a cafe. That’s so relaxant thanks for sharing. “I… Read more »

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Hey guys, a personal service announcement: I’m missing out on engaging in conversation. The thing is I’m in Goldilocks territory with my life. It is almost like I graduated from my course in red pill awareness and married man game last month. I appreciate Rollo’s comments about married man going his own way here, and M. Simon’s comments on raising children and blue pill investment (I’m there with the IDGAF if I’m blue pill because I did great for my children–I provided, the wife mothered fantastically well–and I don’t simply have qualms about fatherhood.) So if I’m on hiatus it… Read more »

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@ M Simon Well lady – and I use the term very loosely – how is a man supposed to live? I personally want to hear it direct from the horse’s face. #You’re not worthy. @Rollo Tomassi http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/06/brainstorm-with-roosh.html So, Roosh thinks he’s William Blake now? OK, got it. #I am sincerely curious why you have gotten a burr up your ass about Roosh. As far as I can tell, he stays in his own lane. Call me dense, but I just don’t get it. I don’t even support him, from a “game” standpoint, though I do support him from a… Read more »

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fruity troll – “#You’re not worthy.” Typical. All criticism and of course nothing constructive. “Learn to treat everyone in the life that you are building with AT LEAST the same level of respect, conscientiousness, and attention that you would give a customer. Does this stuff REALLY even need to be said?” In what world does that make any woman happy? You seem to confuse not being a dick with a burden of responsibility for the emotional state of another. I know this is a fool’s errand but I have to ask: is this a reciprocal responsibility, or like most things… Read more »

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You’re not worthy.” Typical. All criticism and of course nothing constructive. #Let’s review that in context @ Badpainter: “Well lady – and I use the term very loosely – how is a man supposed to live? I personally want to hear it direct from the horse’s face.” ‘…how is a man supposed to live?’ I suppose I could write a book to answer that, but I would want some reassurance that Rollo wouldn’t censor me (waste my time) as I unfurled the chapters. Probably not going to happen. In the meantime, I’m just a commenter like the rest of you… Read more »

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@ fruity troll Reciprocal in the sense of an exchange of value. If I have socks to trade the other party must have something of value to trade in return, something other than socks which I have in abundance. My experience as a bluepill chump indicates if one gives gifts without an expectation of receiving gifts in return one is rarely ever burdened with writing thank you notes. Your error in criticizing Atticus is he never said he treated his wife poorly, or shirked his duties, just that he never made her “happiness” an objective goal, because that was never… Read more »

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@stuttie I’m happy to return the favor the manosphere did for me. Read, read, read. Then ACT. For yourself. @Rugby Having mai frau standing in my garden in coverall-shorts (no undies) and a bikini top telling me: “I love this. Thank You.” Is hugely rewarding on levels that are tough to articulate. V: “Love what? The garlic?” *pointing at the row of garlic she’s standing in* Mai Frau: “No-o-o! Goof. All of this. Look around. *twirls around with arms stretched upward* THIS! I love it!” V: “I dig it, too. Get it!? Muahahah! Mai Frau: “Tss…” V: “Yeah… *looking around… Read more »

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Here’s the thing about females. It’s all too easy to allow them into your inner sanctum where MAXIMUM DAMAGE can be inflicted (if that’s your path). What I’m saying is to treat that relationship “with AT LEAST the same level of respect, conscientiousness, and attention that you would give a customer.” You are putting another human being—female, no less—at your very underbelly. You damn well better keep that person content, just as you would an investor, key employee, preferred vendor, or creditor.

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“…better keep that person content”

So now we’re moving the goal posts? Or does happy = content? Or are you saying that you misunderstood Atticus and your claim: “That right there is off the motherfucking reservation” is well…wrong?

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“…just that he never made her “happiness” an objective goal, because that was never his job.” Right. And it’s not the business owner’s job to make his customers’ “happiness” an objective goal. Not to mention his investors, creditors and employees. Here’s the thing, gentlemen. Whether you embrace it or not, YOU are a business. Females and children are ONE aspect of that business. Why would you be so negligent as to treat them as less than that (and expose your underbelly to shitbag attorneys)? “…the female is designed to submit and be obedient for the better good of the overall… Read more »

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fruity troll – “Why would you be so negligent as to treat them as less than that (and expose your underbelly to shitbag attorneys)?”

And you refer to M.Simon’s question as a strawman…

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” You damn well better keep that person content . . .”

Or, to put it in the form of a catchy aphorism; happy wife, happy life.

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“…happy wife, happy life.”

Right. Because you allow your “happy” customers to run your business, as opposed to keeping them happy for your own self-benefit.

Clue.

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“Clue”

Yes, you should get one.

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…disgruntled wife, happy life.

…disgruntled customers, happy life.

…disgruntled family, happy life.

…disgruntled friends, happy life.

…disgruntled colleagues, happy life.

Yes, I think you are correct. It is far more productive to have people disgruntled with oneself in one’s life, especially at the point of the most sensitive underbelly WHERE THE MOST DAMAGE CAN BE INFLICTED.
Excellent strategy.

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fruity, who are you arguing with?

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“…happy wife, happy life.”

“Right. Because you allow your “happy” customers to run your business, as opposed to keeping them happy for your own self-benefit.
Clue.”

To simplistic. Why would ‘buy in’ to making you wife’s happiness a priority?. . . . . sounds like an unrealistic strategy to me. . .

Sometimes your customers are wrong, they don’t honor spirit of the agreement. Better get yourself a contract, be sure to protect your interest. . . . . could cost you.

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@Rollo I think this is worth repeating: “biology prompts both the FI and the MI, but I think where many men get lost is when they put those imperatives into issues of sociopolitical dominance.” “The Fi and the MI are not sociopolitical entities in and of themselves, but they are certainly motivators of social institutions that promote their interests. Thus, we get Roman men with pocket phalluses and disco kings with gold sperm necklaces in the 70’s, as well as chivalry, feminism and many other social manifestations of those imperatives.” “Hypergamy doesn’t care about having babies. Hypergamy is rooted in… Read more »

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‘Customer service’ analogy for your wife and marriage is a bad model. . .

Why would you want to obligate to serve, ad infinitum?

If you want to illicit a better biz analogy use partner ? I thinks it more analogous. . .

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I read:

“The three laws of thermodynamics
1. You can’t win
2. You can’t break even
3. You can’t quit”

And then I see this an hour later:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22028-computer-that-could-outlive-the-universe-a-step-closer.html

It’s kinda clickbait so I don’t know if it’s legit or not, but the coincidence made me laugh. At any rate it’s a phenomenon in physics I was unaware of, so still interesting.

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@70’sAntiHero:

If you use supplier, then you become the client.

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Supplier of?

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Supplier, bound by what the FI? . . . . or the reality of a legal contract.

If you define your role as just supplier, then you relinquish frame . . .

Bad model.

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@MrT – Re the whole “cuckold porn” thing, I think the basis of that is simply the result of what happens when guys fall down the porn hole. I mean the guys who seriously fall down the hole. These aren’t the occasional porn users, but the heavy ones. They get desensitized and start looking for “harder” stimulation, and if they are at the same time the kinds of guys who have never really done well with women, and who therefore have significant insecurities about doing well with women, they can kind of fetishize their situation by finding the kinds of… Read more »

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“Supplier of?”

What does she bring to the table that benefits you? Don’t buy shit you don’t need, it’s a waste of capital.

I would also point out that anyone who allows their business to become dependant on a single supplier is just a hostile take over waiting to happen. You are effectively owned by anyone you are dependent on anyway. Keep multiple options and play them against each other.

And what sort of idiot goes into battle leading with their soft underbelly?

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Right. . . Cuts both ways for supplier and demander. . .

I think you reinforce that to use ‘customer service’ as a model relative to LTRs is inadequate. . .

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kfg – “And what sort of idiot goes into battle leading with their soft underbelly?”

The sort that argues with straw men, and assumes a man is responsible for the woman’s happiness and has the power to provide such in the first place.

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@Fruity Troll “…disgruntled wife…..customer…” Essentially your hope for your personal satisfaction is based upon “the customer is always right” bullshit. In the real world, the customer is not always right and customer “satisfaction” cannot be guaranteed by anyone or anything. Customer satisfaction is just as dependent on the customer as it is on the “provider”. You indulge the false hope that her satisfaction is 100% control able by you because you are unable or too lazy to face the truth that it is not. You must accept responsibility for yourself which requires some pain and effort. You seem to think… Read more »

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“Right. Because you allow your “happy” customers to run your business, as opposed to keeping them happy for your own self-benefit.”

Yes. Let everyone else run your business because you don’t know how to or you don’t have the balls to. Very very excellent strategy. Every successful business including mine is founded on this brilliant strategy. Couldn’t agree more. We must have the balls to not have balls if we want to be successful and happy,

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MGTOW on GOOGLE TRENDS… Doesn’t look like a passing trend to me.. MGTOW has been growing exponentially for several years… MGTOW will go mainstream in the next decade as the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze anymore for the average man.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=MGTOW&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B4

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Novaseeker.
Thanks for the kick start.
In the case of the Man,
Could it be a dominance issue ? I mean, the man knows he is with an alpha female and don’t want her to leave him so he brings a dominant male to give her the dominance she needs?
In the case of a woman who wants to see her man fuck another woman :
Could it be the woman who is Alpha and dominant wanting to :
A, turn her man into alpha?
B,is she bi?

My gear is stuck.
It’s so hard to come up with a rational cause.

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@Atticus – Even the graph you attach shows markedly lower sinkings in the Pacific by the Japanese. That said, calling them “honorable” from an American POV is obscene and absurd. The “honor” that called Japanese naval officers to not attack supply ships was a bloodlust for the honor attacking a warship brought them, an effect of the Samurai honor code which still prevailed in Japanese military culture. There is little honor in such an approach to war though, actually, as M. Simon points out, the “professionals” know wars are won and lost mainly due to logistics – they were harming… Read more »

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“The things they did in China and Korea . . .”

The sword that brings life. Killing animals is doing them a favor, advancing the day when they can be reborn as a human – i.e. a Japanese.

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From Peacekeepers:

“Perpetuating a life-long state of misery because it became normalized is a much greater ‘failure’ than divorcing a woman who’s poisonous to your well-being, to say nothing of your family’s. Longevity does not equal ‘success’ in marriage.”

The essential question, one has to ask oneself and come to terms with.

Hate to say it, fit me like a glove. . . lol

Great read!

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In the case of the Man, Could it be a dominance issue ? I mean, the man knows he is with an alpha female and don’t want her to leave him so he brings a dominant male to give her the dominance she needs? In the case of a woman who wants to see her man fuck another woman : Could it be the woman who is Alpha and dominant wanting to : A, turn her man into alpha? B,is she bi? You mean the real life situations like that? First they’re quite rare — about as rare, if not… Read more »

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@Novaseeker – Essentially, it’s a kind of humiliation/insecurity fetish I think that the cuckold fetish is an eroticization of cortisol (the stress hormone). I’m seeing a woman whose husband has this. He married young to an extraordinarily beautiful woman. Within 2 years they had a dead bedroom as he attempted to climb the corporate ladder in the insurance business. He became suspicious, and hid in the closet (!) while she fucked either his boss or the number one sales rep in the office, I forget. Apparently, he was so aroused that he got off like 3 times in the half… Read more »

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“During the 70s ‘Macho’ men began to adapt to a new paradigm. They adapted to the reality that women were conflicted by the Free Love paradigm. These men embraced both the sexual openness expected of women, but they also understood that in spite of the social contract of love being based on intrinsic qualities, women still wanted to fuck (with abandon) the men with extrinsic arousal triggering qualities. The physical began to take priority above the emotional pretentiousness.” Emotional pretentiousness, such as the Sensitive Guy, never worked. The Wild and Free Guy did, since they were alpha in doing whatever… Read more »

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“Apparently, he was so aroused that he got off like 3 times in the half hour or so they were doing it.” This is why, they enjoy it more than participating. I had a guy pitch his wife to me, which I found annoying. Some like the idea of a black lover, and there was a female Canadian judge who got into trouble after her husband pitched her to a black guy, who then tried for dollars by threatening legal action. The dyamanics can be nuts. One dude was regularly doing a cuck couple (have sex with wife, debase the… Read more »

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Novaseeker Fair enough. Let’s presume I’m George Clooney! Now I as George would never have any twisted fetishes to ask my wife Amal to fuck someone else while I watch and the same thing goes for Amal. Amal would never have the twisted fetish of watching George fucking another woman because it would make George feel worthless based on Amal’s willingness to share him and vise versa. I don’t think Amal needs other women to admire George in order for her to feel good about George SMV. Don’t you think women would share a beta’s provision with other women provided… Read more »

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So is it fetish or the lack of dominance / insecurity.
I think SMV and AF/BB is a bit confusing.

Not sure what you’re asking there. It does seem like a fetishized insecurity or fetishized stress reaction (which would itself be based on insecurity creating the stress) — as seems to be reflected in the guys posting above who are on the side of the lovers in the equation.

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My confusion regarding SMV and AF / BB is just don’t mix.
When a woman is happy to know other women find her man in the high SMV degree, which is it?
Is it the tingle value or the provision value?
An attractive woman with an unattractive man with$$$ ? SM$V
An unattractive woman with an attractive man with no $$$? SM tingle V

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Novaseeker
This is what I’m trying to say.
A woman who is with a dominant man in bed is not going to have any crazy fetish.

A woman who is not with a dominant man in bed would have fetishes .?

And the same thing goes for men!?.

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Hi Rollo, Do you think it is possible that women with children (especially younger infants) shit test more than women in other scenarios like childless LTR women. To give a bit of background as to where this is coming from my LTR wife is giving me noticeably more attitude over all aspects from small to important issues. More shit tests in relation to our previous childless life and throughout pregnancy. She has inherited £5,000 and I have recently invested my savings of 4,000 into our first house together so I wanted your opinion on whether this point impacts her assessment… Read more »

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“A woman who is with a dominant man in bed is not going to have any crazy fetish. A woman who is not with a dominant man in bed would have fetishes .? And the same thing goes for men!?” It doesn’t work that way for guys. If I guy is turned on by having a woman piss on him, if she is dominant he would have the same fetish. Note that evo-psych can’t explain why guys have fetishes that are counter-productive to reproduction. For women with fetishes, such as being spanked hard, 99% of the time they require a… Read more »

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The Western White Males will render himself obsolete. It’s appalling to think that this is even encouraged, but that’s the FI for you:

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1435259063965.png

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Speaking of adaptations…

Condoms that detect STDs
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/06/25/std-testing-color-changing-condoms-sound-awesome-but-arent-feasible-or-wise/

Sadly, deemed problematic because bad feelz. Lovely to see the FIs desire for ultimate plausible deniability at work in this article.

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Mr. T – “Let’s presume I’m George Clooney!” And I’ll be the Grand Duke of Earl! “Now I as George would never have any twisted fetishes to ask my wife Amal to fuck someone else while I watch…” Becasue you’re still you, who knows what the Cloon really likes. “and the same thing goes for Amal. Amal would never have the twisted fetish of watching George fucking another woman because it would make George feel worthless based on Amal’s willingness to share him and vise versa.” Again you’re projecting. I assume you’ve heard woman talking about showing off their boyfriends?… Read more »

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Reproductively men are designed to serve women. And on top of that we are more or less expendable. Protectors.

This is Blue Pill FI stuff. The MI position: Reproductively, women are designed to provide men with children. Otherwise, women are parasites. Nowadays, women parasite heavily off of the Apex Alpha (govt.).

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@ Grand Duke of Earl

I’m flattered you like my latest kraftsmanship.

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Bad painter
“Now that doesn’t work the same for men. A man who shares his woman sexually with other is arguably indifferent to her”

It’s the same with women. It is not the highest value.
A woman who is with a male jackpot would want to hide him because she knows the game and the score.
And she doesn’t need any woman’s approval.

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Mr. T – “And she doesn’t need any woman’s approval.”

Have your ever met a woman?

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@Rollo.
Why don’t you tell Bad painter what would you do if your wife asked you to sleep with her hot friend.
And tell M Simon to re read about covert and overt.

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“A woman who is with a male jackpot . . .” Knows that that he can and will walk at any moment he gets tired of her shit. She will share him if she has to. It might not be her preference, but it’s better than any of the alternatives. ” . . . would want to hide him . . .” Which she does in plain sight. She destroys the jackpot until it obviously isn’t worth the bother of stealing. Or having, but that tends to surprise her. Go figure. “And she doesn’t need any woman’s approval.” You are… Read more »

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Bad painter “Have your ever met a woman?”

Yes. At the brothel
It’s when I pick a woman. She always ask me to pick another one.

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Kfg &bad painter

Have any of you ever experienced a beautiful woman’s jealousy rage after she saw another woman hit on you?

To me, that is healthy / highest value a woman can show towards her man.

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“Have any of you ever experienced a beautiful woman’s jealousy rage after she saw another woman hit on you? ” No. They “Saran-Wrap” themselves to me as a territory marker. I’ve a had a post wall, post divorce, post slim, single mother do her best to nuke my life when it became clear to her I wasn’t interested in her, but was interested in a much younger, much more attractive woman in our social circle. “To me, that is healthy . . .” That is psychobitch and you are not healthy. You should look into BPD/NPD and figure out what… Read more »

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Kfg “I’ve a had a post wall, post divorce, post slim, single mother do her best to nuke my life when it became clear to her I wasn’t interested in her, but was interested in a much younger, much more attractive woman in our social circle.” I see, It looks like you are the one who dated all those nutty broads. Don’t hold your hopes too high for the younger more attractive ones ,and be careful when one of them asks you to sleep with her hot friend and then she does: A, ask you to bring your hot friend.… Read more »

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Try again when you’re ready to parse logically.

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@kfg

Your comments are excellent – especially for being less than 50 words each. Struck and White would be proud.

Lol I’m being a bit facetious but really. Well done.

@Dman

Yeah, everything you need to know is in the post Rollo linked. You can extrapolate that to many circumstances.

Hint: how secure do you think a woman feels when her life is upended by another helpless mouth to feed?

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@novaseeker “It helps her identify the high value men in a short-cut kind of way.” I think so as well. Many girls in porn go into it with their friends. Most of the most profitable porn is played off insecurities. “but I doubt that’s where it begins in the typical real life case of this “lifestyle” — it has a fetish element for the man involved where he gets off on being humiliated because it fetishizes his own insecurities erotically.” That’s something I’ve always wondered about trauma and abuse. Even situations of Incest @Not Born this morning “The fact is… Read more »

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stuttie
June 24th, 2015 at 8:36 pm

Yes. Darwin will not be denied.

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Chockmah the Cuckold
June 25th, 2015 at 2:52 am

Best compliment I have gotten from a horse all day.

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Fruity
June 25th, 2015 at 9:23 am

Of course it was a rhetorical question. It was not a strawman question though.

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Mr T
June 25th, 2015 at 3:43 pm

Interesting. Your beginning come on around here was – “mastah playah” among the SJW but it is obvious you don’t have much Game in your bones. Your understanding – such as it is – is intellectual not visceral. You are a fraud. As is your politics. It can’t deliver.

That is why Rollo is so good. He has the experience in his bones and he has the brains to conceptualize and articulate.

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Badpainter
June 25th, 2015 at 6:46 pm

Mr. T – “Let’s presume I’m George Clooney!”

And I’ll be the Grand Duke of Earl!

LOL !! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j9PoUsRibtE

theasdgamer
June 25th, 2015 at 6:53 pm

Biology is just facts. Women bear children. And men are expendable. Eggs are scarce. Sperm is plentiful. And what ever the situation today, it is the man who was the protector for ages.

Men are programmed to die if necessary to protect their children. Women are programmed to live to protect their children. Which makes sense – biologically.

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I figured out a while ago that the essential macho things and looks of the late 1970s early 1980s (moustaches, leather jackets) are now today associated with gays. They have even taken this masculinity away from us. Check out German band Opus and their video for their monster hit ‘Life is Life’. It se tin a bikers clubs, leather, taches etc – this was 1984. Or any of the ‘punk’s in films like Deathwish or Police Academy. Today it all looks gay. Conspiracy- methink so.

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Mr T June 25th, 2015 at 8:39 pm Have any of you ever experienced a beautiful woman’s jealousy rage after she saw another woman hit on you? You sound like a BB guy. You can buy any woman you want. But you have never experienced visceral attraction. Covert? Alphas can’t be covert. They smell alpha. Women from across the room will be attracted. Happens to me a few times a year. I walked into a taco joint once to pick up something at the counter. A gay girl sitting with her GF rushed me and begged “why am I so… Read more »

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M Simon
“A gay girl sitting with her GF rushed me and begged “why am I so attracted to you?” And the LTR was with me. And ignored by this girl. At the time – knowing much less than I do now – I said “our vibes are in harmony”. Which in a sense was true.”

ATTENTION GAY WOMEN!
Do you want to become “normal ” again?
We have the power of M Simon to make you love men again , Also known as Pepe Le Pew.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxx8o_sheryl-crow-strong-enough_music

This is better.
Strong enough to be my hot friend’s man.

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