Changing Your Programming
I mentioned in the first book that I am not a motivational speaker.
I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be their own self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not a Rollo Tomassi success story, but their own success stories.
That said, let me also add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will and determination. God willing, they can be masters of those circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.
With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions in which he operates and maneuvers.
You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s Hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.
You can unplug.
You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.
These are the last words from The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine. I wrote something similar in the first book too, but I’m quoting them here because they are just as important now as they were when I was writing them then. I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in creating a cult of Rollo. I’m not interested in creating better men, I’m interested in those men making themselves better men.
Descriptions and Prescriptions
You’ll have to forgive me, I wrote this part about a year ago, but I think it’s still relevant now. In part 4 of Preventative Medicine a commenter (who, for the record is not an InCel by any stretch) asked me why I had no real prescriptive plan for men to follow with regards to ‘preventing’ or avoiding the bad decisions associated with the time line I laid out in that series. This was my response:
Imagine for a moment I had the temerity to presume that I know exactly what a 60 year old reader experiences in his personal life with a post-menopausal wife. I could take a good stab at it, but anything specific I could prescribe for him would be based on my best-guess speculations and according to how I’ve observed and detailed things in this series or any of my past posts.
From my earliest posts at SoSuave (in 2004) I’ve had men ask me for some ‘medicine’ for their condition; some personalized plan that will work for them. This sentiment is exactly what makes PUA and manosphere ‘self-help’ speakers sell DVDs and seats at seminars. They claim to have the cure. I say that’s bullshit.
I’m not in the business of cures, I’m in the business of diagnoses. Imagine a PUA guru attempting to force fit their plans to accommodate that 60 year old man’s situation. Athol Kay makes attempts to remedy married men’s (non) sex lives, but what’s his real success rate? Is it even measurable? Even Athol recognizes that his MMSL outline is just a map, a diagnosis, that men have to modify for themselves per their individual experience and demographic. You see, your cure, your plan of action isn’t what another man’s will be, or your future son’s, or anyone else reading my work. I can give you a map, but you still have to make your own trail. I’m not a savior, you are your savior
Short version: I’m not interested in making men be better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better Men.
What’s more legitimate, my prescribing some course or template to follow that leads a man to a success that ultimately I define for a reader, or my laying out an accurate landscape for his better understanding and he creates his own success with it?
Are you your success or my success? I’d rather a Man be his own.
Most men already suspect they know what the keys are, and most even know how to use them, but what they really want is confirmation that they actually have the keys.
My approach to Game is defined in much broader terms than simply ‘how to get girls’, and I think for the better part of the manosphere the understanding of Game has evolved beyond rote memorization of scripts and plans. It’s gotten to a stage where even the most enthusiastic proponents of PUA techniques acknowledge a need for an individualized approach to relating and interacting with women based on a broader applied understanding of feminine psychology, sociology and the particular conditions that apply to themselves as well as the women they’re interacting with.
It’s been noted before, my approach to Game / Red Pill awareness is descriptive, not prescriptive.
I’m humbled by the men who email me and let me know how something I’ve written or shined a light on for them has saved them from suicide or some particular hell they would’ve endured longer in. For the most part though I get email and comments from men who tell me that they have built better lives for themselves because a Red Pill awareness made their situations more intelligible. I don’t sell a program or a prescription because each man’s circumstance is different, his acculturation is different, his ethnicity, society, upbringing, body composition and mental faculties are all different.
But we are all men. If the Red Pill is anything it’s a consortium of men who relate their individual experiences about women, about themselves and about their circumstances in what’s now become a feminine-primary social order. As I’ve stated in the past, I’m humbled and flattered to be considered one of the pillars of Red Pill awareness, but most of what I write is the result of piecing together the related experiences of other men.
I didn’t create the Red Pill, I just describe that awareness in terms I think are intelligible. I connect dots, but much of those dots are presented to me by a collective of men who’ve had common experiences. If those dots don’t follow, if those dots would be better connected in another way, I expect the Men who make up Red Pill awareness to offer their new ideas in an open exchange, in a marketplace of ideas.
Sometimes that marketplace gets weighed down with disingenuous critics, trolls and attention seekers, but this is the price, I believe, is necessary to distill and test the strength of those ideas. Only in a crucible of open debate where all are encouraged to participate can those ideas be sussed out.
Men with questions don’t frighten me; men with no questions do.
Law 18: Do Not Build Fortresses to Protect Yourself— Isolation is Dangerous
The world is dangerous and enemies are everywhere— everyone has to protect themselves. A fortress seems the safest. But isolation exposes you to more dangers than it protects you from-it cuts you off from valuable information, it makes you conspicuous and an easy target. Better to circulate among people, find allies, mingle. You are shielded from your enemies by the crowd.
From Nursing Power:
A handful of my male readers often ask why I don’t moderate comments, or that the message of Rational Male would be better served if I banned certain commenters. I’ve mentioned on several posts and threads as to why I won’t ever do that (except for blatant spamming), but in a nutshell it’s my fundamental belief that the validity of any premise or idea should be able to withstand public debate. People who aren’t confident of the strength of their assertions or ideas, or are more concerned with profiting from the branding of those weak assertions than they are in truth, are the first to cry about the harshness of their critics and kill all dissent as well as all discourse about those assertions.
That’s the primary reason I’ve never moderated; if people think I’m full of shit I’m all ears – I’m not so arrogant as to think I’ve thought of every angle about any idea I express here or on any other forum. However, the second reason I don’t censor, ban users or delete comments is that I believe it’s useful to have critics (usually women or fem-men) provide the gallery with examples of exactly the mentality or dynamic I’m describing in an essay. With a fair amount of predictability, a blue pill male or an upset woman will just as often prove my point for me and serve as a model for what I’ve described.
I never intentionally try to make rubes out of the critics I know will chime in about something, but I will sometimes leave out certain considerations I may have already thought about something, knowing it will get picked up on by a critic. I do this on occasion because the I know that the “ah hah! I got him, he forgot about X,Y, Z” moment serves as a better teaching tool and confirms for me that a critic does in fact comprehend what I’m going on about.
Last week Roosh came out against the various tribes of Game such as it is. While I understand his intent I must disagree with his methods. A couple of weeks ago I got into a bit of political discourse with regard to how the Feminine Imperative and how Hypergamy influences social dynamics. That post generated a lot of conversation, but from it I made this statement:
It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.
Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.
As most of my readers know I have a great deal of respect for Roosh and I still do. Nothng is going to change that. I think time will tell what direction his push for Neomasculine philosophy truly goes in. As far as what he’s describing in that “new” doctrine there’s not much I disagree with. I’ll take issue with his anti-evolution, anti-evo psych stance. I’ll take issue with his want for some as yet undefined moralism; and not because I don’t think morality or reverence to a higher power shouldn’t be part of it, but rather because it pollutes and distorts open discourse.
I’m not an atheist, anyone who’s read my commentary on Dalrock’s site knows this. That said I don’t think there is a substitute for critical inquiry, and when that is stifled, that’s when we lean over into dogma.
From Moral to the Manosphere:
Putting angel’s or devil’s wings on observations hinders real understanding.
I say that not because I don’t think morality is important in the human experience, but because our interpretations of morality and justice are substantially influenced by the animalistic sides of our natures, and often more than we’re willing to admit to ourselves. Disassociating one’s self from an emotional reaction is difficult enough, but adding layers of moralism to an issue only convolutes a better grasp of breaking it down into its constituent parts. That said, I also understand that emotion and, by degree, a sense of moralism is also characteristic of the human experience, so there needs to be an accounting of this into interpretations of issues that are as complex as the ones debated in the manosphere.
Although I’m aware that observing a process will change it, it’s my practice not to draw moralistic conclusions in any analysis I make because it adds bias where none is necessary. The problem is that what I (and others in the manosphere) propose is so raw it offends ego-invested sensibilities in people. Offense is really not my intent, but often enough it’s the expected result of dissecting cherished beliefs that seem to contribute to the well being of an individual.
There was a time I sat in a behavioral psychology class back in college. Behaviorism appealed to me because it was very nuts & bolts, not at all like the touchy-feely humanist schools of psychology. Behavior is the only reliable proof of motive. It was cause and effect, modify variables, and watch for behavior.
At one point I began to see that women are masters of operant conditioning – they had the natural reward 99% of men want, sex. Men’s behavior could be modified just by the prospect of sex, and they could also be influenced by negative reinforcement and punishment. It was one thing to make these observation, but quite another to express them in the classroom. Many of the more intelligent minds I dealt with then would adamantly refuse to recognize the truths that operant conditioning played. After I thought about it I understood that they were likewise motivated to deny what I thought was right in front of their faces.
I had connected some uncomfortable dots; dots that had the potential of making a man less desirable for having connected them. This was really the beginning of many more uncomfortable connections I would make later.
Roosh has tried to make a case that the Red Pill community (subred) has now reached critical mass. He sees it as inbred; a community of complainers – and in some instances I can understand that. Debate can often sound like complaining. However, what I get from Roosh now is a need for answers, it seems to me he’s looking for a plan of action. He wants something prescriptive for himself and other men to follow on with. I get it.
He’s still included Red Pill truths as being an important part of his new doctrine and I’d respect him for that, if not for the wholesale disownment of the consortium that’s been the testbed for those truths for so long. As I stated above, I think Neomasculinity may have some merit, I don’t disagree with about 90% of the manifesto Roosh went to great effort to put together. What I disagree with is how he’s initiated all of this. He does no favors to himself with casual dismissals of principles he knows are deeper than he wants to give credit to – in fact most are principles he influenced personally.
As for my part, I’m going to keep doing what I do and that’s making men aware of the world that’s been pulled over their eyes. I will likely have some strong disagreement with Roosh in the future, but as I’m fond of saying unplugging men from the matrix is dirty work. We’re both in the same family, and sometimes brothers will fight, and that’s OK.
I disagree with him that the Red Pill will cease to go on. It may be called something else, but it’s been around before he or I started writing about it. The “Red Pill”, like many other terms, is an abstraction; a place holder for an idea. Don’t like the Matrix movie references? Fine, but the truth is the truth and freely expressed ideas need words to describe them.
Maybe Neomasculinity is the prescription you need, but from what I can gather so far it’s a movement based on exclusion; not inclusion, not on a free exchange of ideas. Maybe the christianized Red Pill of Donalgraeme or Dalrock is a better prescription for you. Maybe you need the inspiration of a guy like Victor Pride and a better outlook on your physique.
Or maybe all you need is a truth and an awareness to help you lift yourself up. Yes, Red Pill awareness can be very depressing in the beginning, I’ve written several posts and book chapters dedicated to helping men come to terms with that, but ultimately it will be that awareness that becomes the catalyst for changing his life.
The Red Pill isn’t one size fits all, you have to tailor your own life with what it shows you.
@ Rollo Tomassi
Dr Martie Hasselton would strongly disagree with your completely baseless and unsubstantiated assertions:
Why don’t you interview Dr Hasselton about her work? Post the interview and then invite her to answer questions in chat. Most researchers would love the exposure and we’d love to ask her questions.
In the meantime if she doesn’t believe that motherhood is part of the female sexual strategy post the info. I love to read opposing opinions.
Please educate yourself before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
You are burning out fast.
To me the crazy thing is mothers that don’t want/love children. Its like being part of a suicide cult. I remember talking about abortion with a 16 year old Dominican girl, and she just couldn’t understand a mother not loving and wanting her baby, it was just unbelievable to her that someone could think that way(she wasn’t a religious).
@ Rollo Tomassi Over 50 studies have examined changes across the cycle in women’s attraction to these male features. Your move Sky King. Wait a minute I just realized that might have been to me. It’s easy to believe that Estrus in human females is a real phenomenon. Certainly. But if Estrus was a significant driver of female behavior we wouldn’t need researchers to tell us it exists. Women would have secret Tinder accounts that they would use 1 week each month. Your friend would call and say, “watch out bro my girlfriend just finished Estrus and she cheated 3… Read more »
^^^
in humans.
You’re just trolling now. Go back to the RVF and tell Roosh we’re all awaiting his revelations about evo-psych.
And the next time he sock puppets a doxx on me to do a better job. I get it now.
@ charlotte allen The awakening of the male conscious is not something in which you can build a bridge to and connect with the ‘Feminine Imperative’. The overt chosen ignorance or the minimizing of the enormous effects that 60 years of unchained female hypergamy and what it has done to Western civilization is not something that any rational knowing individual would or should compromise. Remember your article? “Welcome to the New Paleolithic, where tens of thousands of years of human mating practices have swirled into oblivion like shampoo down the shower drain – and the women love every minute of… Read more »
@70’sAntiHero Remember your article? “Welcome to the New Paleolithic, where tens of thousands of years of human mating practices have swirled into oblivion like shampoo down the shower drain – and the women love every minute of it. ” It would be my recommendation for you to read Rollo’s essays or perhaps Roissy’s synopsis of F Roger Devlin’s Sexual Utopia in Power, or Devlin’s writings directly. If you read that article carefully, you’ll see that I’ve read all of that. I even interviewed Devlin in person. I’m quite aware that the disappearance of social constraints on female sexuality have led… Read more »
I don’t read Roosh
Not you
gotcha – glad ya didnt think so
Guys, like @Rollo, I don’t see what the big deal is about… I said as much about to @Seraph a few dozen comments above. @Charlotte is merely a text book example of of female behavior and the social conditioning that we discuss day in and day out. She should be neither praised nor derided. She’s neither inherently good or bad… She’s a woman,and as such, she neither has the biological wiring or the social incentive to understand the male experience or have significant empathy for men, in general. Can she love or hold particular men high in esteem? Of course!… Read more »
Basically Christiano Ronaldo can’t even do what your saying….unless you claim he didn’t play his cards right……
Also, the problem is getting those girls that chase you. Usually girls don’t just relentlessly chase like that…..you gotta pursue at some point or pursue a little. that’s also what confuses me. i don’t know anyone who doesn;t do that or doesn’t have to do that
@Will “Are you saying that you can make it so that the girl your with is okay with you hooking up with other girls as long as your emotionally all-in with your main girl? or are you saying that you just spin plates and don’t necessarily hook up with the other girls? or is it you hook up with other girls and secretly have other girls on the side without her knowing….” Whatever you want, you can have, if you learn to hold your frame, understand women’s psychology, know EXACTLY what you want, and screen properly (not just “playing the… Read more »
@YaReally, you’re right. Neomasculine trolls are trying to lay a groundwork. It’s coordinated as expected.
@Charlotte,
“@Seraph
You’ve become incoherent–time for some snooze, no?”
Now…
How do you THINK a response like this makes you look?
I mean, there are a lot of layers to it, even considering it’s brevity, but none of them make you look good.
I hope to God you are a troll impersonating Charlotte Allen for Charlotte Allen’s sake.
Yeesh.
@ Chump_no_more
Agree.
She is part of the mainstream media. So I believe she garners some influence.
Here is a comment I made to her earlier on this thread.
“Rollo is the gold standard for encouraging men to use their mind in a positive, enlightened and knowable pursuit. To recognize women for their true nature in the context of the modern day fem centric culture and not to hate them for it.”
@Will “Basically Christiano Ronaldo can’t even do what your saying….unless you claim he didn’t play his cards right……” That’s what I claim. Trying to maintain an oLTR or harem arrangement as a AAA celebrity is like trying to balance a tube of nitroglycerin in the back of a moving truck speeding down a bumpy road. “Also, the problem is getting those girls that chase you. Usually girls don’t just relentlessly chase like that…..” If you can’t get girls to chase you then it’s time to work on your game. Re-read Mystery Method (cat string theory, qualifying, push/pull, etc.) and search… Read more »
@Rollo Two things that make me lol: 1) The thread is now FULL of dudes who ALL KNEW EVO-PSYCHE WAS BULLSHIT YA MAN I WAS TOTALLY WORKIN ON MY OWN THEORIES ABOUT THAT I’M CURIOUS TO SEE ROOSH’S THOUGHTS CUZ LIKE I KNEW THE WHOLE TIME BRO…whatever Leader says, goes. Two legs good, four legs baa-a-a-ad! 2) They post stuff like this (about Roosh’s video): “I thought I was the only one captivated by his mesmerising expression and depth of emotion but now I see it had the same effect on many others too. I’ve taken down notes, and for… Read more »
@YaReally I’ve gotten decent results with not being explicit but not exactly volunteering the info. If they asked I’ve said “Yeah, I’m seeing other folks” and left it at that. Never had a chick bail on that, but then again I was plating like… 5s and shit, so it’s a lot easier when I had them genuinely outclassed for SMV. Even had a moment when I was dating two lawyers and the conversation came around to the fact with one of them. “How many lawyers are you dating?” “You really wanna know?” with a big shit-eating grin. She didn’t. We… Read more »
@ Rollo Tomassi
And the next time he sock puppets a doxx on me to do a better job. I get it now.
I don’t know Roosh.
@Rollo “It’s coordinated as expected.” lol it doesn’t matter in the end. Their own members’ behavior destroys any credibility they want to gain. No one is rushing to sign up for neomasculinity except the guys who already love him. Just protect your own ass and expect trolls and possible hacking (backup all your writing and shit etc.) as you weather the storm while they’re in butthurt-mode right now. I recommend updating your passwords and using a password manager where you can have long as fuck crazy passwords. Two-step verification where you can couldn’t hurt. I’d like to think they wouldn’t… Read more »
@Jeremy To explain my stance re: gays, I suppose I should note where I’m coming from. While yes, there’s a more promiscuous tendency in that community, they stress the same as we do hitting on somebody they’re interested in. They know a lot of the same frustrations and feelings, and a couple gay friends I’ve had have really expressed frustrations with trying to find a good LTR that really mirror what any straight guy looking for a chick would feel. Also you take a look at a case like Jack Donovan, and they have all the tendencies towards masculine behavior… Read more »
“She’s a woman,and as such, she neither has the biological wiring or the social incentive to understand the male experience or have significant empathy for men, in general. Can she love or hold particular men high in esteem? Of course! But, men in general? Not a snowball’s chance in hell.” Complete crap, Chump. So many of you have simply walled yourself off, so all you can now see is that which validates your own perceptions of reality. And that is why your red pill ideology begins to take on a cult like religious fanaticism, because anything that threatens your own… Read more »
@YaReally If you could treat a 10 like you treat a 4 (in terms of your subcommunications that come with truly knowing that you obviously outclass her in SMV), she would respond just like the 4. Every attempt at very hot chicks in the past has resulted in anything from polite dodges (when done politely) to straight up laughter when I approached it with swagger. Were I to guess, I’d suppose my swagger came across as “hollow” since under the hood I didn’t believe the shit I was saying. How do you convince yourself of things that your brain deep… Read more »
Well, that whole Charlotte Ruse thing escalated quickly.
@Sun- I’m sure yareally is going to have a better answer gamewise, but I wanted to point out two things. First is that the cognitive dissonance is arising because you see a hb9 and then decide to go into swagger/confident mode. Ultimately you want to find other justifications for feeling that swagger and confidence. In a way you are letting others define your frame. Practice always walking around with swagger and confidence, no matter who is around. So that when hb10 shows up, your brain isn’t trying to do something “to get laid”, it’s just “who I am”. Find other… Read more »
Wow. I just now read the fallout b/t Rollo and Roosh. Pretty wild, never expected that. Had no idea that shit was transpiring. Interesting stuff, and 100% in line with what I wrote a few days back. See, gentlemen, I don’t actually have a dog in this fight, other than the truth. Whoever speaks less than the truth will feel my weight in their up ship against the down currents… I am non-partisan… as my comments over time have reflected, and will always reflect. That being said, I am now left to stand in integrity and stare nakedly at the… Read more »
@Charlotte That is my age wouldn’t mind speaking to you about your comments in person considering the distance isn’t far. “I’m not part of the problem. I’m happily married (27 years) to a man I adore.” “my husband and I live in DC.” – Charlotte So do I it would be best to than perhaps have this conversation in person. “It doesn’t make sense to you that a man would have reasons for doing things and those reasons aren’t important to you…and that’s scary, because you probably consider yourself a good person and I know you won’t stop spouting your… Read more »
@Sun Wukong “Were I to guess, I’d suppose my swagger came across as “hollow” since under the hood I didn’t believe the shit I was saying.” You got it. Put it this way: you’ve been learning to “have swagger” for what, a few years? Once a month you see a girl as hot as her and approach her maybe? A smokin hot girl has been learning to sniff out “fake swagger” literally everywhere she goes since she grew tits. If you don’t believe it, she’s going to notice it in your subcommunications. “How do you convince yourself of things that… Read more »
@rugby11ljh
Let’s play. I am happy to meet you on the rugby pitch. We can elucidate the principles thereafter. Or, would you rather talk some more?
Or, we can wave our dicks over videos that other males have recorded? In person, or over video? Your call, for everyone to see, big guy?
You all grow by comments. That’s the point. Good for you.
I’ve NEVER posted a 3rd party entity to make my point, EVER, yet for some punks ONLY post 3rd party accounts are capable of making their mush points. Weak. OMG. Sad, little bitch. Hey, you want to know some REALLY sad? Message me offline via Rollo and I’ll tell you a VERY sad story. But nope, you don’t want to hear that. You just want to keep talking shit to this audience, as if you know something about this life. Without telling them about little girls like you, who couldn’t stand being a little bitch one day longer for it,… Read more »
70’sAntiHero May 27th, 2015 at 3:16 am Do you think the disfunction of the ghetto as a result of the destruction of the nuclear family is not consequential. It looms large as to the latent effects where the burden upon us all continues to grow. We have a very clever way of doing that while pretending not to do it. Prohibition. And every time I hear a socon chime in about Blacks abandoning their families I remind them of Prohibition. They don’t like it one bit. BTW the destruction is intentional. “Look, we understood we couldn’t make it illegal to… Read more »
YOU DON’T DOX ROLLO TOMASSI! He has a family. He has integrity. He has an unmoderated forum. He helps people at his own expense. He’s asked for nothing in return. Now, something serious has happened. ‘daddyblues’ has doxed Rollo Tomassi. This is the same ‘daddyblues’ that believed he had a ‘paternity issue’… Read about it here: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41082.html – “daddyblues” indicates how important his double-anonymity is to him, yet he chose to dox Rollo Tomassi. There are terms for what ‘daddyblues’ has chosen to do. “daddyblues” wrote: “I’ve posted a couple hundred times but this subject is so sensitive I need… Read more »
“Well, that whole Charlotte Ruse thing escalated quickly.”
Did I miss something?
Have I been arguing with a sock puppet?
Or is Allen truly Allen and she is as pathetic as she makes appears to be?
I mean there is internet poser pathetic and then there is “I wasted a Phd pathetic”.
@insanitybytes22
Yes, I too often wonder why the chained, whipped, resource extracted, raised-by-white-supremacist slaves of the 1800s didn’t realize how awesome they were. Why might that be insanity?
Aw man, I was hoping to change the subject. @zdr01dz It’s easy to believe that Estrus in human females is a real phenomenon. Certainly. I too find it easy to believe in the existence of the Sun, I mean, it rises each day, so every day my belief is confirmed. But if Estrus was a significant driver of female behavior we wouldn’t need researchers to tell us it exists. We don’t. In fact, women invented a whole behavioral victimhood complex over the tail-side of estrus, menstruation. No researchers needed, women themselves decided to announce to men everywhere that they were… Read more »
@ Seraph, nah shes as “real” as a chick like that can be. I mean, fake as shit (reminds me of my narcissistic and entitled mom) but a biomechanical organism all the same.
Cruzed her twitter and blog for a dirty minute and all I’ll say is this:
Educations and being perceived as intelligent (or outright telling you she thinks she is) tend to be really, REALLY important for those who, well…..aren’t that smart.
Lets let this sleeping dog just lie there.
“Yes, I too often wonder why the chained, whipped, resource extracted, raised-by-white-supremacist slaves of the 1800s didn’t realize how awesome they were.” They did and they went on to thrive like they do no where else in the world. Those who continue to wallow in perpetual outrage and endless offense reap that whirlwind too, mandated poverty, endless crime, broken families. How you perceive yourself and others is vitally important. If you perceive all women as great oppressors, you hand your power away and trap yourself in victimhood. That’s what Fems do, too. It’s an unhealthy trap that people frequently fall… Read more »
@jeremy
I was hoping you were going on continue about the fool’s “secret tinder accounts”
@Seraph – Great stuff, thanks. A rut indeed, but there’s more volition to it than that. What surprises me most is how deeply I hid my actual beliefs and feelings about my life and the world from myself. I truly never realized that I’d just surrendered. It seems to have begun after passing out from the CPTSD. It was the last straw for me. It was like – no matter what I do, I’m going to be fucked for life. Truthfully, it’s self-pity. I spent a huge chunk of my young life trying to get over all the bad shit… Read more »
@Jeremy
Why don’t you just “get it” like Insanity says? REAL men just “get it” don’t ya know.
Jesus, women flailing and failing to argue abstracts merely become caricatures of precisely what they argue against. Every. Time.
@Glenn
Your individual existence and story doesn’t mean shit. Neither does mine. You have to kill your ego. I say that with kindness. Gotta learn to kill your ego before you can fire it up and point it.
Get there, where nothing matters, and the world will open up to you.
@Tilikum
If I were letting myself “just get it”, I’d ignore the words of insanity entirely. Counterintuitively, she’d probably respect me more for doing so.
@Tilikum
Women can’t do Socratic, so they invented talk shows.
@ M Simon Intentional? “And every time I hear a socon chime in about Blacks abandoning their families I remind them of Prohibition.” It’s called the Law of Unintended Consequence. Milton Friedman, he won the Nobel Prize for this discovery. It is the nature of an over reaching government to fuck things up. It’s not an inkling, or a suspicion it’s a fucking law. It applies to prohibition, poverty, war on terror . . etc. To paraphrase Friedman, Anytime you subsidized something, you’re going to get more of it. In fact Friedman wrote extensively on it. Interestingly, it was women… Read more »
@70’sAntiHero
Quite the opposite in fact, women seem to have a biologically rooted need to yell at men for not performing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman%27s_Christian_Temperance_Union
@ Jeremy
Funny, I couldn’t get past 23 seconds.
@Charlotte “And come home to what?” A bottle of Belvedere and playing video games with our buddies, which gives us the same thrill and pleasure that danger, violence and hunting is supposed to give us men. Being a productive member of society and enjoying our hobbies. “seduce a 20 yr old” you except women can have standards but men cannot? And a 20 year old is an adult and can take its own decisions. They donot need your protection. If you are against seduction, you should better vouch for banning the entire advertising and marketing industry. BTW, who is an… Read more »
@ Jeremy
Honestly, Droid, you are just trolling at this point.
Rollo asked me my opinion on Estrus and I gave it to him. It’s an interesting phenomenon. But it’s not impressive because it doesn’t shift the arithmetic very much. Its a marginal data point.
You, Rollo and a few others need to realize that insulting comments lead to differential interpretations depending on the observer.
One person sees strength in angry posturing.
Another person sees an amateur fighter, flailing his arms defensively as he falls backwards.
Ah, I see droid is ready for another beating. Same study: Dual Sexuality Within the dual sexuality framework, fertile-phase sexuality and non-fertile-phase sexuality possess potentially overlapping but also distinct functions [22,23]. In a number of primate species, extended sexuality – female receptivity and proceptivity at times other than the fertile phase – appears to function to confuse paternity by allowing non-dominant males sexual access [e.g., 24]. These males cannot rule out their own paternity, which might reduce their likelihood of harming a female’s offspring. In humans, by contrast, extended sexuality may function to induce primary pair-bond partners to invest in… Read more »
@$c#hokm%ma^a@aol.com No play less talk show don’t tell. “Your call, for everyone to see, big guy?” Wasn’t trying to off in a way that wasn’t playful. @Charlotte Allen “One of the unfortunate consequences is the attitude of many commenters on this site. There seems to be no middle ground between the cavilling obeisance of the “male feminists” who comprise nearly all of the intellectual elite and the bitterness and sheer nastiness toward women expressed here.” Sometime I wonder where else you would go to get a realistic view in person? @Insanity “How you perceive yourself and others is vitally important.… Read more »
“But you have to barge in here, shame them and rub salt on their wounds.”
Prima: Pokes with pointy stick, and again, and again, and again, and . . .
Secundus: Ow! Quit it.
Prima: STOP OPPRESSING ME!
@Tilikum – But of course, a human being can’t kill its ego. It sounds cool to write in a comment though…
@zdr01dz It’s an interesting phenomenon. But it’s not impressive because it doesn’t shift the arithmetic very much. Its a marginal data point. A marginal data point, estrus? Really? I doubt very much the women reading this consider it marginal, though their social norm is keeping female reproductive behavior covert if they can, so they have an incentive to shut up about it. Rollo has provided real-life examples, even peer-reviewed papers written by women demonstrating that what you say just isn’t so. I just commented to you that women created an entire victimhood situation w.r.t. their behavior around menstruation, and you… Read more »
“if Estrus was a significant driver of female behavior … Women would have secret Tinder accounts that they would use 1 week each month”
world class fool
@Glenn Sounds like you’re basically the definition of “I could be happy being poor if I hadn’t been rich”. Like you say, I’m not really in a position to tell you how to fix it ’cause I’m still at your naked golf stage of my life. But with guys like you I look at it like “that could BE me one day. I could be that. He started out around where I am and he got dealt some shitty hands…if it happened to him, it could happen to me. So what would I tell myself?” I think the process you’re… Read more »
@YaReally, something definitely smells fishy:
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/something-smells-fishy/
There seems to be no middle ground between the cavilling obeisance of the “male feminists” who comprise nearly all of the intellectual elite and the bitterness and sheer nastiness toward women expressed here. When you’ve spent your entire life at sea level, and never done endurance sports of any kind, living at 5000 feet feels like you moved to Mount Everest. That doesn’t make it Mount Everest, but your frame of reference is so poor, your opinion on middle ground is about as useful as your opinion on the vegetation on the nearest to Earth extrasolar habitable planet. As such,… Read more »
Going a couple links deep on Dalrock’s post… ROK has turned into that caricature lately, both in posts and comments. Christ they had a literal article defending waterboarding, because “it is effective”. I think I was literally one of maybe two people who pointed out the folly of torture in the comments.
At this point, I would not be surprised if Roosh has staff writers on ROK who are literally feminists posing as manosphere denizens in order to discredit Roosh and the manosphere at large.
Interesting thought.
“Understand what value IS to a woman. It’s not height and looks and money. A lot of guys won’t be able to pull off this arrangement because they’re caught in the paradigm of “but I can’t be higher value than that guy over there because that guy over there is tall and good-looking and rich!!!!!”” Took me a long time to understand this one. I’m a short man, and all in all I’m pretty darn ugly, lol. (although I’ve got money) I beat myself up for a long time over my height and looks. But then I finally allowed myself… Read more »
@Rollo
The problem with that gambit is that it hides behind Poe’s Law.
@Rollo Standard tactic by SJWs/trolls/etc. these days. Gamergate has been dealing with it non-stop. Consider that a lot of it isn’t even the RVF but just 3rd party people (SJWs, Feminists, etc.) capitalizing on a rift. Give this a read to get yourself up to date on modern trolling tactics, it’s an interesting read from a Red Pill perspective too: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5 You may have to increase moderation for a period of time (ie – till they lose interest, which generally doesn’t take long since there’s SO MUCH to be outraged about lol), but if you have to do that I’m… Read more »
I’m starting to see this now.
There’s been a definite uptick in “new” commenters repeating the same message, all of which obviously have no familiarity with TRM. In the last post Chokmah pulled exactly this bullshit; creating new truncated names to give the appearance I was modding him, while spamming the thread. Insanity, droid, CMG, Mad Yale Grad, and now Charlotte, all conveniently pulling the same horseshit. It’s definitely coordinated. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who doxxed me on RVF was a guy who’s become despondent with the manosphere. A lot of spergs lose their minds when what they thought would be the magic… Read more »
@CaveClown “How about my other friend that had a false rape charge? (thank god for game blogs that teach to get the “morning after” text) Or how about my friend who’s girl said she was sexually abused by her father, and wasn’t? (rationalizing her lack of wanting to fuck him…ahhh negotiating desire strikes again)” Pretty much every single girl I meet these days tells me a sob story about how her boyfriend was abusive. I don’t even listen anymore lol They’ll say the same thing about me to their next boyfriend I’m sure. It’s a lot easier for them than… Read more »
Increasing moderation is surrender. I would recommend against ever doing that. They want censorship, both by themselves and by others. Their goal is to keep as much covert as possible, so moderation of any kind suits their purpose. Of course, when they do it, they’re “only defending victims”, when we do it, we’re “squelching free speech.”
I wont be modding Jeremy. Even Mobys can learn from TRM.
@YaReally I had a girl tell me I was being emotionally abusive because I didn’t respond to her txts while I was at work lol Silly emotional female logic. I’ve run in to themes similar to this a LOT of times. Considering part of maintaining control of a relationship is keeping control of when and how you communicate with her, this really seems to be a legitimate frame grab a lot of chicks accidentally hit on in a relationship then find it works on almost every guy afterwards. Law 33: Discover Each Man’s Thumbscrew If you consider every relationship to… Read more »
@Jeremy, Rollo: I doubt it’s “trolls from the FI”. ROK copied the business model of Sarkeesian and other feminists: spitting out irrational provocations because they get clicks. It’s probably a very good business model, I wish I had something like that for me. But it would be sad if the manosphere would become just that. It may be Roosh feels he is losing the lead of the manosphere because of that turn and tries to get it back. As a reader I will go where the better content, the better ideas and theories are. Imho you shouldn’t pick that fight… Read more »
That’s my plan brother
“One of the unfortunate consequences is the attitude of many commenters on this site.” OUR attitude is not the problem, Charlotte. There seems to be no middle ground between the cavilling obeisance of the “male feminists” who comprise nearly all of the intellectual elite and the bitterness and sheer nastiness toward women expressed here. Sure there is, and you can find a lot of it here. If you truly had bothered to read the stuff Rollo linked you to, you would understand he is one of the most even keel guys talking about this subject. It’s why *I* am here… Read more »
@Seraph Glad you’ve got such optimism about the times a-changin’. I think they’re a-changin’, too, but not for the better. Western civilization is fast disappearing. Actually conservatives did great in the 2014 election. I read this blog all the time–for material–but rarely comment. I did comment on this thread to come to the defense of poor Insanity, who was getting beat up by the rest of you. I can take the garbage you dish (in the comments section, not on Rollo’s blog itself, which is pretty interesting), because it’s just manosphere stuff. Then I go over to Jezebel and Feministing… Read more »
“It’s a definite possibility Mobys have infiltrated RoK.”
I warned Roosh about the possibility. He shrugged it off. Maybe he didn’t give a shit.
(shrug)
Hmmm,
Is Charlotte a Moby?
Her debating skills certainly stink like a rotting whale…
@Seraph
What’s a Moby?
“Actually conservatives did great in the 2014 election….”
…and continue to make a worthy clowns as actual legislators.
“I’m a social conservative”
No shit, eh? I assume your seeking champions to die for you in the arena like the rest of tradcon/socons. Wouldn’t want your lot to have to do more than clutch pearls and Bibles while screeching exhortations of “man up.”
Moby’s do not require debating skills, their sole purpose is poisoning the well with that which tastes like honey.
@Caveclown
“Only a man can empathize with a man. Period.”
You sir would be a grand fishing companion.
@Badpainter
“Wouldn’t want your lot to have to do more than clutch pearls and Bibles while screeching exhortations of “man up.”
Sound an awful familiar upbringing to me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nMlDPsRwZE4
@Charlotte Allen I did comment on this thread to come to the defense of poor Insanity, who was getting beat up by the rest of you. Posting comments here is a voluntary action. Insanity can stop whenever she wishes, unless her employer requires it of her (*hint hint*). Why in gods name did you feel it necessary to defend someone else from potential pain from their own voluntary actions? That just doesn’t sound rational to me. It sounds more rational to believe it is bullshit and either you are also a paid commenter or you just can’t take not seeing… Read more »
C&P’d from Dal via Novaseeker: The effective way to false flag troll is to lead the main group of commenters in the venue (works equally well whether a right or left venue) to a slightly more radical place, and get them to agree and amplify. The point, of course, being to horrify mainstream readers. But the key is not being “so out there” that you’re outside the local mainstream that frequents the site. You have to be subtle, and if you are, you can really drag along a lot of people and cause proper mayhem. Looks like this case, by… Read more »
@Jeremy
I wish I WERE a paid commenter!
Figure this is a relevant time to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1vON_Lc27s
Calm rational facts are what take apart people who’s world view is based on their irrational feels. You may recognize this guy from Fox News recently (he does a self-reference around the 30 min mark that’s awesome lol).
The accusation of “bitterness” is actually a shit-test. This is a male space and many men don’t bother hiding their hurts that much here, because they feel understood. But of course for females coming over it’s a loss of frame. So there comes the shit-test flying, who would have expected that?
Does anyone have good ideas for reactions? We need some killers here.
Ian doesn’t get many comments, so has to be coordinated. Not that I dislike Ian, but holy cow he makes Glenn’s comments look terse.
“Does anyone have good ideas for reactions?”
Do we need them? Who are we trying to impress, and to what end? Isn’t it better that our reactions simply be genuine and honest for the benefit of ourselves?
The politics of red pill will be chosen for it. Institutional feminism – the intellectual and politically active force that pushes FI veiled as equal rights for women through the academy, administrative state, entertainment and news media, courts, etc. has an inextricable grasp on the left in the West and the apparatus it controls. It perceives red pill as a small but insurgent threat to its hegemony, and as such will use the political left to diminish, silence, oppress, and destroy it. Perhaps the best example for such a movement is the NRA, which retains its fidelity assiduously to a… Read more »
@Badpainter: No, we don’t need to impress them. That’s why I’m unafraid about more mainstream attention towards the RedPill.
But it’s not about a need to impress them, not even defense. It’s the way to win them over. Women don’t have empathy with weak men, that’s the problem. But they have plenty of empathy for cocky-funny assholes who pass shit-tests. If you do, you can talk with women quite openly about a lot. We got the tools, they are so easy to deal with, why not make use of it?
@lh
I can’t disagree, but I think the way to “win them over” is to first win over the men, and only win over the men. Which is the value of Rollo, Ian, Dalrock, et al. Patience and frame, both individually and collectively (such as we constitute a collective) will be far more effective than any sort rigid, organized movement, or set of prepared responeses. Forget about “them,” whoever they are, and swell the ranks of us.
@Badpainter “Isn’t it better that our reactions simply be genuine and honest for the benefit of ourselves?” To thine own self be true @lh “Women don’t have empathy with weak men, that’s the problem. But they have plenty of empathy for cocky-funny assholes who pass shit-tests. If you do, you can talk with women quite openly about a lot.” That’s depressingly true to its core. Asking for help from females can backfire that’s not to say that empathy isn’t their but they are clear that the asshole shit is their peragative. If for any reason I admire folks who post… Read more »
” . . . poor Insanity . . .”
. . . who was treated with almost superhuman patience for years before finally pushing just about all and sundry over the edge.
Poor little fire ant, being treated badly at the picnic, for no reason. No reason at all.
Re: Applied Charisma Is there such a thing as a theoretical charisma? Honestly, I think there’s a simply certain amount of “taking it” that women need to do. Don’t like PUA, or the mythical notions of being “tricked” into sex? Too bad, try being manipulated into a marriage only to have your life destroyed, and on top of that having women like Charlotte laugh at you as you’re being manipulated, and then come back and try to imply that getting tricked into a few ONS’ is such a bad deal. Such whining from the fem-sphere should be ignored, because only… Read more »
Well, guys… Think clearly, now: how many of us have had to deal with all manner of cluster B women in our real lives? Did you not even consider the mental health of these trolls beyond the face-value of their posts? Don’t sell them short with merely calling them “trolls”, do the full math. Concern trolls are a bitch, like Wyldfire over at SS, once upon a time, spreading re-illusion instead of disillusion. Trolls are gonna troll, they’ll just get a new account or 7, like they do, and try, try again. Ever see a chick that’s not getting enough… Read more »
“But it’s not about a need to impress them, not even defense. It’s the way to win them over. Women don’t have empathy with weak men, that’s the problem. But they have plenty of empathy for cocky-funny assholes who pass shit-tests. If you do, you can talk with women quite openly about a lot. We got the tools, they are so easy to deal with, why not make use of it?” Because you cannot DHV behind an anonymous name on the internet. Anonymously , both prince and pauper are same here. So the tools wont work.(Facebook is non anonymous part… Read more »
@Shiva h.p. “mentioned those cases in that article his brother and elder friends). On the internet his rational and experiences stand on their own. It does not even matter to most internet if Rollo isn’t even Rollo but some bot churning out most delicious pieces of red pill for us to devour. Trivia: Why do the America football players are made to wear pink band in their arm for the sake of Feminism and other FI bullshit? Because most american men look up to those football players and thats the Feminist’s DHVing via proxy. This make the message of feminine… Read more »
@Rollo “It’s definitely coordinated.” I’m sure you’re a busy guy, and probably don’t follow gamergate, but if you get some downtime and are curious about coordinated efforts to promote the feminist imperative funded by large corporations and mainstream media, this is a 3 hour long rabbit hole that is 100% verified and sourced (every single point is videos of the people themselves, archives of websites/tweets/etc. that are all recorded history that can be verified) that shows, well, something that would sound like an insane conspiracy theory if it wasn’t completely sourced and it didn’t include the people involved literally talking… Read more »
Yeah, and the science supports it too:
http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/10/3/311.abstract
@badpainter: I agree. The power of the RedPill is empowering the individual man without any need for organization or even recognition in mainstream. One could even argue giving the RedPill is improving your sexual competition. And for sure the Hive will adapt if every man knows. I’m not anxious about it. But even though I got enough power over my life to keep out what should stay out of that FI, I simply can’t stand the idea of living in a matriarchy. It seems crazy to me, disgusting. There is some meta-level of the power struggle between the sexes and… Read more »
@Shiva H. P.
Oh, I disagree. I think Rollo does just fine at this.
You can do it, you do it through being correct when they are hysterical.
I don’t write to DHV. I write to explore truths, connect dots and help men understand their situations.
I do however DHV with people I work with, my wife, daughter and not a few of the women I have work for me on promos.
I’d guess that there is some coordination as well, given that it seems to be happening in several places at the same time. I don’t think Charlotte is a Moby (she’s a pretty well known writer in socon circles, and isn’t being anonymous about that, like a typical Moby), but the others who have been “coming and going” for the past month or two here seem better candidates for that kind of thing to me. Even if the coordination is only loose (i.e., not a grand conspiracy, which really is unlikely, but rather a few who deliberately target and then… Read more »
@Jeremy “Oh, I disagree. I think Rollo does just fine at this. You can do it, you do it through being correct when they are hysterical.” lh was speaking about impressing women with our words online using the Game. I replied to that. Rollo has definitely DHVed to most of us men using rational points. And I mentioned that. But see it does not have the same effect on most women reading it, because it needs a different kind of DHVing. i.e The Game Women think less and feel more. So while successfully DHVing to women, what you say matters… Read more »
@Rollo Tomassi
I wasn’t trying to divine intent, I was describing an effect. The fact remains that demonstrating value in an anonymous forum is entirely based on how grounded in reality while being intellectually useful your writing is.
@Rollo. That study posted by you sharpened my understanding of it a lot. Since you came up with it I tested my resulting theory on a Doctor of Psychology to improve her empathy towards men. She now understands the problems of the boys she deals at work with much better. She gets how important those fathers fighting uphill battles vs. her colleagues are for those boys and how many problems of those single-mom “families” result from the women leaving the fathers. Ok, she already wanted to fuck me, but these things are related as we know. You can teach the… Read more »
@Shiva H. P.
Ya, I probably should have read more, ignore my distraction.
@YaReally
I’m lol’ing @~18:30:
“Ok, so why don’t you start at the top then and let’s disassemble Asian privilege.”
*silence*
ahahaha…
” Most of my players needed up wearing the pink socks . . .” Pink, being a “lessor” red, is a masculine color. Being lessor, it was assigned to boys and graduating to wearing full red was a sign of having achieved manhood. The suffragettes started wearing pink to signify that they weren’t going to be treated like girls, that they had the masculine qualities of strength and independence (much as they first started carrying purses to signify that they had their own money and were thus to be treated as if they were men in financial matters). As so… Read more »
@lh
Does anyone have good ideas for reactions? We need some killers here.
Here’s one: don’t react at all.
This isn’t a female or a troll space. This is a male space for men looking to better themselves. If that doesn’t describe you, you don’t matter here at all.
No worries, I’ll have a new post up soon.
@Rollo
Can’t wait. The recent spate of agittrolls can’t stand up to cold-light-of-day reason and/or critical analysis, so who cares if they’re here. Like you said–they might learn something.
@Sun
Yes. No reaction is the best reaction.
P.S. I found it telling that Granny Charlotte popped up on Dalrock right after Rollo did. She sounded so ‘reasonable’ there. Effing hilarious considering her ghoulish disconnect from basic humanity which got her some frank schooling here at TRM.
P.S. ‘Response’ is very distinguishable from reaction.
@Charlotte “@Jeremy I wish I WERE a paid commenter!” You seem to be wanting for getting thrashed here. And I can almost prove you are a fake commenter. You are like the sleeper cell activated assuming the idenitty of Charlotte Allen and your blog is like a “fake front company” I suggest all of you guys to just click on Charlotte’s link. bloggingstupidgirl at WordPress The entire blog looks like an automated bot generated garbage. 1. Your blog entries have tonnes of articles are quoted , indented and just assembly line postings on that page. 2. Your opinion of any… Read more »
@Jeremy You seem to be wanting for getting thrashed here. And I can almost prove you are a fake commenter. You are like the sleeper cell activated assuming the idenitty of Charlotte Allen and your blog is like a “fake front company” I suggest all of you guys to just click on Charlotte’s link. bloggingstupidgirl at WordPress The entire blog looks like an automated bot generated garbage. 1. Your blog entries have tonnes of articles are quoted , indented and just assembly line postings on that page. 2. Your opinion of any news item is not more than one line.… Read more »
If Charlotte is a SAHM, then isn’t she technically a paid commenter?
@Sun Wukong: You’re right inviting women over here, including them in discussions, is not good for the character as a male space. Men have to be able to talk their way here. I might have underestimated that. But inviting and including here or even attracting them wasn’t my intention.
Trolls are like my ex girlfriends…
Ruined for life.
@yareally I would like to add some miscellaneous things. If people on here are working on their happiness, you have to remember something: the two things that contribute tonssss to depression are loneliness and the inability to be vulnerable. Those two things. So manosphere is out here saying meet a group of guys be a leader of a group of guys and always be finding a social group. This will help decrease loneliness. The second is vulnerability, which is a tough one b/c that involves risk. What yareally and the manosphere continues to say is YOU CAN BE VULNERABLE with… Read more »
@Will
http://therationalmale.com/2014/11/23/vulnerability/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/05/07/ultimatum/
Tomassi, I am not a troll. You’re being paranoid.
@will
Taylor Swift told how Harry answered it:
I say I heard that you been out and about with some other girl
He says, what you’ve heard it’s true but I can’t stop thinking about you
(hamster)
I said I’ve been there too a few times
and she fucks him
@Will “she dropped a “are you seeing any other girls consistently right now….what do you want from me…..I can’t just be your fucktoy….we should try more relationshipy see where it goes”” This is The Ultimatum. It happens when a chick catches too many feelings for you. You can slow down how fast this happens by following the rules (don’t see her more than once every week or two, no doing romantic date nights just sex, basically don’t act like a boyfriend), but it happens sooner or later (usually around the 3 month mark if you’re seeing her once a week… Read more »
@YaReally
Re: Gavin McInnes
Oh dear God, that chick lives in such an insulated white world. No wonder she thinks “racism” is synonymous with “white supremacy”. Live in denial much, sweetheart?
And for the record, McInnes is fucking awesome every time I see him. Solid frame, incredibly calm, and devilishly smart while being funny about it. I’d love to talk with the guy over a drink some time. Seems like it’d be a blast.
@YaReally
But the “punk” guy and the switching usernames “quit deleting my posts” guy are trolls for sure.
They’re the same guy. Yes, he switched that goddamn much. He’s been showing up on and off for a while, and his initial posts (as Steve something or other) earned my calling him by a girl’s name combined with his name.