Changing Your Programming

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Changing Your Programming

I mentioned in the first book that I am not a motivational speaker.

I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be their own self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not a Rollo Tomassi success story, but their own success stories.

That said, let me also add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will and determination. God willing, they can be masters of those circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.

With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions in which he operates and maneuvers.

You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s Hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.

You can unplug.

You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.

These are the last words from The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine. I wrote something similar in the first book too, but I’m quoting them here because they are just as important now as they were when I was writing them then. I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in creating a cult of Rollo. I’m not interested in creating better men, I’m interested in those men making themselves better men.

Descriptions and Prescriptions

You’ll have to forgive me, I wrote this part about a year ago, but I think it’s still relevant now. In part 4 of Preventative Medicine a commenter (who, for the record is not an InCel by any stretch) asked me why I had no real prescriptive plan for men to follow with regards to ‘preventing’ or avoiding the bad decisions associated with the time line I laid out in that series. This was my response:

Imagine for a moment I had the temerity to presume that I know exactly what a 60 year old reader experiences in his personal life with a post-menopausal wife. I could take a good stab at it, but anything specific I could prescribe for him would be based on my best-guess speculations and according to how I’ve observed and detailed things in this series or any of my past posts.

From my earliest posts at SoSuave (in 2004) I’ve had men ask me for some ‘medicine’ for their condition; some personalized plan that will work for them. This sentiment is exactly what makes PUA and manosphere ‘self-help’ speakers sell DVDs and seats at seminars. They claim to have the cure. I say that’s bullshit.

I’m not in the business of cures, I’m in the business of diagnoses. Imagine a PUA guru attempting to force fit their plans to accommodate that 60 year old man’s situation. Athol Kay makes attempts to remedy married men’s (non) sex lives, but what’s his real success rate? Is it even measurable? Even Athol recognizes that his MMSL outline is just a map, a diagnosis, that men have to modify for themselves per their individual experience and demographic. You see, your cure, your plan of action isn’t what another man’s will be, or your future son’s, or anyone else reading my work. I can give you a map, but you still have to make your own trail. I’m not a savior, you are your savior

Short version: I’m not interested in making men be better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better Men.

What’s more legitimate, my prescribing some course or template to follow that leads a man to a success that ultimately I define for a reader, or my laying out an accurate landscape for his better understanding and he creates his own success with it?

Are you your success or my success? I’d rather a Man be his own.

Most men already suspect they know what the keys are, and most even know how to use them, but what they really want is confirmation that they actually have the keys.

My approach to Game is defined in much broader terms than simply ‘how to get girls’, and I think for the better part of the manosphere the understanding of Game has evolved beyond rote memorization of scripts and plans. It’s gotten to a stage where even the most enthusiastic proponents of PUA techniques acknowledge a need for an individualized approach to relating and interacting with women based on a broader applied understanding of feminine psychology, sociology and the particular conditions that apply to themselves as well as the women they’re interacting with.

It’s been noted before, my approach to Game / Red Pill awareness is descriptive, not prescriptive.

I’m humbled by the men who email me and let me know how something I’ve written or shined a light on for them has saved them from suicide or some particular hell they would’ve endured longer in. For the most part though I get email and comments from men who tell me that they have built better lives for themselves because a Red Pill awareness made their situations more intelligible. I don’t sell a program or a prescription because each man’s circumstance is different, his acculturation is different, his ethnicity, society, upbringing, body composition and mental faculties are all different.

But we are all men. If the Red Pill is anything it’s a consortium of men who relate their individual experiences about women, about themselves and about their circumstances in what’s now become a feminine-primary social order. As I’ve stated in the past, I’m humbled and flattered to be considered one of the pillars of Red Pill awareness, but most of what I write is the result of piecing together the related experiences of other men.

I didn’t create the Red Pill, I just describe that awareness in terms I think are intelligible. I connect dots, but much of those dots are presented to me by a collective of men who’ve had common experiences. If those dots don’t follow, if those dots would be better connected in another way, I expect the Men who make up Red Pill awareness to offer their new ideas in an open exchange, in a marketplace of ideas.

Sometimes that marketplace gets weighed down with disingenuous critics, trolls and attention seekers, but this is the price, I believe, is necessary to distill and test the strength of those ideas. Only in a crucible of open debate where all are encouraged to participate can those ideas be sussed out.

Men with questions don’t frighten me; men with no questions do.

Law 18: Do Not Build Fortresses to Protect Yourself— Isolation is Dangerous
The world is dangerous and enemies are everywhere— everyone has to protect themselves. A fortress seems the safest. But isolation exposes you to more dangers than it protects you from-it cuts you off from valuable information, it makes you conspicuous and an easy target. Better to circulate among people, find allies, mingle. You are shielded from your enemies by the crowd.

From Nursing Power:

A handful of my male readers often ask why I don’t moderate comments, or that the message of Rational Male would be better served if I banned certain commenters. I’ve mentioned on several posts and threads as to why I won’t ever do that (except for blatant spamming), but in a nutshell it’s my fundamental belief that the validity of any premise or idea should be able to withstand public debate. People who aren’t confident of the strength of their assertions or ideas, or are more concerned with profiting from the branding of those weak assertions than they are in truth, are the first to cry about the harshness of their critics and kill all dissent as well as all discourse about those assertions.

That’s the primary reason I’ve never moderated; if people think I’m full of shit I’m all ears – I’m not so arrogant as to think I’ve thought of every angle about any idea I express here or on any other forum. However, the second reason I don’t censor, ban users or delete comments is that I believe it’s useful to have critics (usually women or fem-men) provide the gallery with examples of exactly the mentality or dynamic I’m describing in an essay. With a fair amount of predictability, a blue pill male or an upset woman will just as often prove my point for me and serve as a model for what I’ve described.

I never intentionally try to make rubes out of the critics I know will chime in about something, but I will sometimes leave out certain considerations I may have already thought about something, knowing it will get picked up on by a critic. I do this on occasion because the I know that the “ah hah! I got him, he forgot about X,Y, Z” moment serves as a better teaching tool and confirms for me that a critic does in fact comprehend what I’m going on about.

Last week Roosh came out against the various tribes of Game such as it is. While I understand his intent I must disagree with his methods. A couple of weeks ago I got into a bit of political discourse with regard to how the Feminine Imperative and how Hypergamy influences social dynamics. That post generated a lot of conversation, but from it I made this statement:

It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.

Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.

As most of my readers know I have a great deal of respect for Roosh and I still do. Nothng is going to change that. I think time will tell what direction his push for Neomasculine philosophy truly goes in. As far as what he’s describing in that “new” doctrine there’s not much I disagree with. I’ll take issue with his anti-evolution, anti-evo psych stance. I’ll take issue with his want for some as yet undefined moralism; and not because I don’t think morality or reverence to a higher power shouldn’t be part of it, but rather because it pollutes and distorts open discourse.

I’m not an atheist, anyone who’s read my commentary on Dalrock’s site knows this. That said I don’t think there is a substitute for critical inquiry, and when that is stifled, that’s when we lean over into dogma.

From Moral to the Manosphere:

Putting angel’s or devil’s wings on observations hinders real understanding.

I say that not because I don’t think morality is important in the human experience, but because our interpretations of morality and justice are substantially influenced by the animalistic sides of our natures, and often more than we’re willing to admit to ourselves. Disassociating one’s self from an emotional reaction is difficult enough, but adding layers of moralism to an issue only convolutes a better grasp of breaking it down into its constituent parts. That said, I also understand that emotion and, by degree, a sense of moralism is also characteristic of the human experience, so there needs to be an accounting of this into interpretations of issues that are as complex as the ones debated in the manosphere.

Although I’m aware that observing a process will change it, it’s my practice  not to draw moralistic conclusions in any analysis I make because it adds bias where none is necessary. The problem is that what I (and others in the manosphere) propose is so raw it offends ego-invested sensibilities in people. Offense is really not my intent, but often enough it’s the expected result of dissecting cherished beliefs that seem to contribute to the well being of an individual.

There was a time I sat in a behavioral psychology class back in college. Behaviorism appealed to me because it was very nuts & bolts, not at all like the touchy-feely humanist schools of psychology. Behavior is the only reliable proof of motive. It was cause and effect, modify variables, and watch for behavior.

At one point I began to see that women are masters of operant conditioning – they had the natural reward 99% of men want, sex. Men’s behavior could be modified just by the prospect of sex, and they could also be influenced by negative reinforcement and punishment. It was one thing to make these observation, but quite another to express them in the classroom. Many of the more intelligent minds I dealt with then would adamantly refuse to recognize the truths that operant conditioning played. After I thought about it I understood that they were likewise motivated to deny what I thought was right in front of their faces.

I had connected some uncomfortable dots; dots that had the potential of making a man less desirable for having connected them. This was really the beginning of many more uncomfortable connections I would make later.

Roosh has tried to make a case that the Red Pill community (subred) has now reached critical mass. He sees it as inbred; a community of complainers – and in some instances I can understand that. Debate can often sound like complaining. However, what I get from Roosh now is a need for answers, it seems to me he’s looking for a plan of action. He wants something prescriptive for himself and other men to follow on with. I get it.

He’s still included Red Pill truths as being an important part of his new doctrine and I’d respect him for that, if not for the wholesale disownment of the consortium that’s been the testbed for those truths for so long. As I stated above, I think Neomasculinity may have some merit, I don’t disagree with about 90% of the manifesto Roosh went to great effort to put together. What I disagree with is how he’s initiated all of this. He does no favors to himself with casual dismissals of principles he knows are deeper than he wants to give credit to – in fact most are principles he influenced personally.

As for my part, I’m going to keep doing what I do and that’s making men aware of the world that’s been pulled over their eyes. I will likely have some strong disagreement with Roosh in the future, but as I’m fond of saying unplugging men from the matrix is dirty work. We’re both in the same family, and sometimes brothers will fight, and that’s OK.

I disagree with him that the Red Pill will cease to go on. It may be called something else, but it’s been around before he or I started writing about it. The “Red Pill”, like many other terms, is an abstraction; a place holder for an idea. Don’t like the Matrix movie references? Fine, but the truth is the truth and freely expressed ideas need words to describe them.

Maybe Neomasculinity is the prescription you need, but from what I can gather so far it’s a movement based on exclusion; not inclusion, not on a free exchange of ideas. Maybe the christianized Red Pill of Donalgraeme or Dalrock is a better prescription for you. Maybe you need the inspiration of a guy like Victor Pride and a better outlook on your physique.

Or maybe all you need is a truth and an awareness to help you lift yourself up. Yes, Red Pill awareness can be very depressing in the beginning, I’ve written several posts and book chapters dedicated to helping men come to terms with that, but ultimately it will be that awareness that becomes the catalyst for changing his life.

The Red Pill isn’t one size fits all, you have to tailor your own life with what it shows you.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

1,375 comments on “Changing Your Programming

  1. @Rollo

    I appreciate each post you write and enjoy the pictures you include for each. Each picture is a great metaphor that dynamically and often humorously compliments what you write.

    The following compliments this posts picture…

    To each his Dulcinea
    That he alone can name
    To each a secret hiding place
    Where he can find the haunting face
    To light his secret flame

    For with his Dulcinea
    Beside him so to stand
    A man can do quite anything
    Outfly the bird upon the wing

    Hold moonlight in his hand
    Yet if you build your life on dreams
    It’s prudent to recall
    A man with moonlight in his hand
    Has nothing there at all

    There is no Dulcinea
    She’s made of flame and air
    And yet how lovely life would seem
    If every man could weave a dream
    To keep him from despair

    To each his Dulcinea
    Though she’s naught but flame and air

  2. @rugby11ljh

    We are all “expendable”, here temporarily….all the more reason to live life to the fullest.

    1. @M Simon
      “Adopt the warrior attitude. Make your death count. Accomplish something.”
      I will I must
      @NBTM
      I am the master of my own fate. I am learning to live I am learning .

  3. Jeremy
    May 29th, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    In engineering fields intensely focused on life and death (aerospace is one) the corporate culture is pretty good. Why? Because results actually matter. Doing the work the best you can matters.

    And in my experience the Alpha to Beta ratio is fairly high. Might be as high as 50/50.

  4. “Some historians speculate that Jesus (the real person) took many of his teachings from Buddhist ideas and principles when he traveled to the ‘east’ the first 30 years or so of his life. ”

    The assumption is made that if he had learned Buddhist philosophy he must have, necessarily, done so in India, but this is not the case.

    Indian philosophy, and even some Indian philosophers, had been brought to Alexandria in Egypt, which at the time also had the largest Jewish population in the world, about half the city; a most likely destination for a Jewish refugee.

  5. @ kfg

    interesting

    @ rugby

    “Don’t despair: despair suggests you are in total control and know what is coming. You don’t – surrender to events with hope.” – Alain de Botton

  6. Just finished reviewing the comments of this post and I see zdr01dz continued to cling to thoughts concerning women and “motherhood” despite facts and experiences that disprove validity of that “motherhood”.

    zdr01dz, for our sake please answer the following questions:

    If the “motherhood” instinct is on par with AF/BB, then why do essentially all females who have access to birth control pills use birth control pills?

    If motherhood is an equal priority, then why do women delay it for years the with sole purpose of optimizing AF during a their most healthy prime when they can best facilitate motherhood?

    Why do essentially all females postpone motherhood in lieu of AF/BB optimization by premeditatedly and proactively avoiding motherhood while seeking to experience sex with numerous multiple partners before “settling” down” and becoming mothers, if they actually ever do become mothers?

    Since you like all of us and enjoy debating this and because you are correct in your assessment, please provide detailed factual responses that answer the questions above and enlighten us.

  7. Charlotte,

    What specific comments and complaints do you have in mind?

    I have a long litany of complaints against women, but more against society for not restraining their negative impulses. That statement alone lists me as Public Enemy in a society where a woman can lie about being raped and be invited to the State of the Union. So you’ll need to be more specific, since the generalized complaint “you are all bitter” gets applied to…well…anything.

    Also, as a female So-Con, you don’t have credibility with the Manosphere, as we do not believe your stated beliefs require you to sacrifice anything. A woman championing Social Conservativism…goody, what exactly does that mean? That increasingly means privileges for women, obligations for men…not a winning deal for men by any stretch of the imagination.

    In other news, in my dastardly Red Pill life, my AC doesn’t work. I suspect either a Freon recharge or a new fan. Probably both. Clearly this is the fault of women somehow! Grrrrrrrrrrr women!

  8. For those not keeping score: “Charlotte Allen” has suddenly become VERY BUSY trolling more than just a few manosphere comment threads in the last couple of days.

    You can speed bag her/him if you so desire, but be aware that he/she is a garden variety Moby of little consequence and no game whatsoever.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moby

    1. @70’sAntiHero
      “surrender to events with hope”
      Good lord that’s a calming wonderful thing to be reminded off.

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5V5hMjbNtDg

      Lawrence of Arabia
      “Auda abu Tayi: I am Auda abu Tayi! Does Auda serve?
      Howeitat tribesmen: NO!
      Auda abu Tayi: Does Auda abu Tayi serve?
      Howeitat tribesmen: NO!
      Auda abu Tayi: [to Lawrence] I carry twenty-three great wounds, all got in battle. Seventy-five men have I killed with my own hands in battle. I scatter, I burn my enemies’ tents. I take away their flocks and herds. The Turks pay me a golden treasure, yet I am poor! Because *I* am a river to my people!”

      The closets scene I’ve really lost myself in growing up the way I would really enjoy leaving this life.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4
      This or climbing K2
      Thanks Brother AntiHero
      Rugby11 out

  9. @Charlotte – Why in the fuck am I accountable for out of wedlock births or other social ills? I, like many older men here, put the fucking bit in our mouths and pulled for a long time, you judgmental, vapid cur. I carried traditional values forward and got my ass handed to me, laughed at and cheated on. Many of us are here because that set of rules you seem to want us to revert back set us up to have our guts ripped out.

    You dismiss all that with ‘men and women both behave’ badly or some other pablum. As though the scales are balanced, lol. Equalism and solipsism demonstration galore with you.

    They you lay out this beauty. “So most of the people on this thread sound just plain silly to me,” Listen you retarded cunt from hell, WE ALREADY GET THIS ABOUT YOU. YOU THINK WE’RE SILLY. AND I’M TELLING YOU TO GO FUCK YOURSELF IN YOUR SELF-ABSORBED, LOUDMOUTHED, NASTY ASS. Got it yet? How you feel about men here and what we say is as clear as day – now get the fuck out of here.

    We are not just about anger, but sharing and venting anger is okay here. Fyi, anger is okay in all male spaces – so really, you are just imposing feminine values on us once again. I’m sorry the big bad loud men are so scary for you, go home and play with the girls then. But this shit? Go away. Nobody is enlightened or helped by your presence.

  10. 70s Antihero-

    Thanks. Valance and priming are from the psychological literature that helps us understand for example, why you still feel scared for a while after something scary happens–even if you can rationalize that the danger is over. The hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal axis explains the biology of it, but there is a cognitive-emotional part too. So when you wake up from a bad dream and still feel like crap for a while, that’s why. I am a clinical psychologist.

    I am not in a creative field really, my specialties are military and forensic psychology. (I am on active duty).

    1. @Scott
      I meant this scene in relation to my mother but it doesn’t seem to play on YouTube the other link was a mistake. This is the one I was trying to share.
      Service is a huge thing that gets me out of myself. Helping others and putting my demons at bay with being out In nature. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcGHReGK5E

  11. “Listen you retarded cunt from hell…”

    You should take a long hard look at the man in the mirror.

    “We are not just about anger, but sharing and venting anger is okay here.”

    That’s not anger, that’s long term pathological rage, apparently something Tomassi and many other red pills condone.

    You don’t need trolls and moby’s and all your paranoid nonsense, you are your very own trolls.

    “The Red Pill is the only cure for dumbassitis”

    Doesn’t seem to be working in this forum.

  12. zdr01dz comments about the maternal instinct encouraged me to rethink the subject and I now realize mothers aren’t considered nearly as much as they should be. Here are fifteen reasons why we should always respect and celebrate mothers day.

    1. Most murdered children are murdered by their mothers.
    2. Women are postponing motherhood in greater numbers than ever before now that they have the opportunity to do so.
    3. Almost all women in western society are “waiting” to become mothers almost until or even after their eggs and reproductive organs have degenerated so they knowingly risk birth defects because their maternal instinct is so powerful.
    4. Because more women than ever are NOT having babies.
    5. Because almost all women are on the pill.
    6. Because millions of mothers destroy their children’s fathers through divorce just to get access to more money or “hotter dick” from another male, deny their children access to their father and fill their children’s minds with negative distorted dishonest bullshit about their father which psychologically injures the children for life.
    7. Because most women are so great at “motherhood” that they unanimously brainwash and condition their children to disrespect masculinity and believe distorted irrational convolutions about social gender dynamics.
    8. Because every woman is excellent at feigning nurture if they think they will get something out of it for themselves while hiding their real intentions.
    9. Because Mother’s Day deifies females and makes women martyrs, “self-sacrificing” and morally superior to men.
    10. Because no one is making a stupendous fuss about “fatherhood” although the sexes are supposed to be the same and deserve the same consideration.
    11. Because “motherhood” is a victimhood identity and mothers deserve the special entitlements victimhood affords.
    12. Because there is “something special” about a female being a mother.
    13. Because every female is biologically and physiologically formed by her DNA to facilitate being a mother and that is more deserving of recognition than generating sperm and defending women and children against predators and starvation.
    13. Because most women promote and support abortion to the extent that national laws are written to enforce abortion to support “a woman’s right” to “motherhood” because women possess such a powerful maternal instinct.
    14. Because millions of women gather regularly with picket signs and demonstrate and lobby lawmakers to fund abortions with taxpayer’s money and write laws denying parents of underage girls the right to know their child is having an abortion. Because so many women are behind this “major abortion issue” concerning “mothers” imposed upon the national legislature of the most powerful nation on earth because “motherhood” is so powerful it is steering the power of that most powerful nation.
    15. Because the maternal instinct so powerful that it is compelling females to experiment with as many different penises as possible without getting pregnant and becoming mothers until they almost reach the age of sexual decline and infertility when they suddenly “find themselves” and become a mother, after spending as many years as possible riding the cock carousel as their sexual market value and confidence will allow.

  13. Glenn
    May 29th, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    In my experience men tend to express their anger and let it go. Then if possible take action. Or, if action is not possible,embrace the suck, as we used to say back in the day.

    Women nurture their anger. They feed it. It is their favorite pet. Every “wrong” done against them is filed and indexed and brought up when they think it is useful.

    And who is put in charge of relieving a man’s pain? The man. Who is in charge of relieving a woman’s pain? The man. When a man’s pain is too much the tendency is to resort to alcohol or some other drug. And for the men who do this women have devised a war. And a previous war.

    Now what is hilarious is that the Progs have renounced at least part of their war on men and the Cons insist on continuing it.

    Charlotte, the Cons are worse than the Progs. With a Prog you know where you stand. The Cons pretend to be different but if you watch how they act – it is the same – or worse. The Progs will be “we hate you” and the Cons will be “we love you”. But it is just another form of hate.

  14. @Glenn

    Stop giving them any of your brain space. Vapid dingbats ain’t worth getting upset over. Your time’s just too valuable for it, man. Don’t waste another second of it.

    Bitch is just trolling half the ‘sphere right now anyway.

  15. @M Simon:

    As a young man, that scene is what informed me that I was not alone, that there was, or at least had been, another who got it.

  16. Listen, everyone…

    Things have gotten PRETTY HEATED around here, and because I am a lover, and not a fighter, I want to help everyone take it down a notch…to bridge gaps as it were.

    We’ve all been giving ‘Charlotte’ a pretty hard time (although I think she’s looking for a hard time mostly from Glenn), but I think the problem lies in a lack of communication, or to put it more correctly, miscommunication.

    As Rollo has pointed out in his books and posts, women and men communicate differently, men doing it overtly, and women covertly, so I think the issue is that we are hearing what Charlotte is saying, but…

    (clenches fists in front of himself)

    …are we really listening? Listening with womanly ears?

    (Makes cupping motions over chest, and then over ears)

    Perhaps some translation would help.

    Ever the eager beaver (or was it ever eager for beaver?), I am taking it upon myself to do a public service and help translate Charlotte’s womanly dialect into a language we can all understand with our manly ears…

    (Points to crotch)

    That language being something we call plain ‘effin English!

    For those following along at home, Charlotte will be in italics. Bear in mind that the translation might seem to have NOTHING to do with what was actually said, but that is simply the covert magic of estrogen on the female brain’s neurolinguistic centers, known in Latin as the Itza AliboutMoi.

    I’m extremely sympathetic to plights such as your own.

    I am sympathetic. See, I just told you so, so it must be true. Not only do I say I am sympathetic, but I put the word ‘extremely’ in front of it, to make it absolutely irrefutable, so you have to believe me.

    If you don’t believe me, you must be a self-centered whiney asshole who probably deserved every horrible thing that happened to you in your miserable life, you frickin’ jerk.

    So, believe me…I am extremely sympathetic.

    Life dishes out many horrible things,

    Like the swirling mass of my own narcissism. It’s that dark hole over there to my right, sucking in light, matter and souls.

    divorce dishes them out in spades.

    Got that? It’s DIVORCE that dishes out those horrible things in life in spades. Don’t blame us; the women. We have nothing to do with those divorces.

    Divorces just happen, like hurricanes or plague, except when they are initiated by men, the selfish pigs.

    We’ve got a father whose daughter was alienated from him by her mother right in my own family.

    By ‘we got a father’, I mean both my dad and my husband whom we loathe. My mom hated my dad, and turned me against him, and I am in the process of turning my daughter against her father.

    Tradition is important in family, don’t you think?

    It’s an infinitely sad situation.

    This is my sympathy showing again…see? SEE? I put ‘infinite’ to denote how terribly, terribly sad the situation is, so there can be no doubt how very, very sympathetic I am about the whole thing.

    But

    AND…I’m over it!

    I have no patience whatsoever

    Okay, his sadness is infinite, but my patience in dealing with it?

    Mmm, kinda about the exact opposite. The Big Bang was positively glacial in comparison.

    I mean, I KNOW the whole situation with that guy (I forget which…who cares?) was INFINITELY SAD, but I am really over it by now. I mean, I spent one whole sentence sympathizing about it, what the hell else you want? Blood?

    with the self-pity-filled caterwauling about the foul nature of women in general that abounds in the posts on this site,

    Now that we’ve all gotten over that stupid sad man, let’s get back to what’s important, which is listening to me talk…

    including your own, coupled with cheap and nihilistic cynicism and blind, undirected, obsessive rage.

    YES, you may have had something INFINITELY SAD happen to you, but it’s about time you got over it, right? I mean, are you going to be mad forever about that INFINITELY SAD thing that happened?

    Infinity doesn’t last FOREVER, okay?

    I’m so over it…what aren’t you?

    Yes, women have all the faults that you people mention

    I mean, I think you mentioned all of them…I wasn’t really paying attention.

    That might explain how I both agree with you about all your points about women, and then insist you are wrong about what you say, but the important thing is I don’t care so it doesn’t really matter.

    hypergamy, self-centeredness, obtuseness on many fronts–

    Wait…are you sure these were the faults? I kind of liked them.

    I know my own sex quite well.

    It’s a wonder I am not freaking blind by now…I am typing one handed right now.

    But men aren’t exactly fault-free, either,

    I know I have already described at length how fault filled men are, about how they are filled with cheap and nihilistic cynicism and blind, undirected, obsessive rage*, and that whole infinite sadness thing (which frankly is pretty tiresome), but they have ALOT of faults, okay?

    *Now Trademarked

    and their faults have a perverse way of dovetailing with the faults of women

    Even our faults are really your fault. And your faults are perverted too, just like you, trying to insert themselves into ours.

    Eww!

    so effectively that the results can be amazingly destructive, especially in a society such as our own, where there are few constraints on members of both sexes’ out the basest of their instincts.

    Now, I know I mentioned before in this thread that I am a Hedonist, and thus it might seem hypocritical to be denigrating those seeking to satisfy their base instincts, but I really don’t see your point.

    No, really. It happens all the time. Points slap me in the face like phalluses in amateur porno, and somehow they are invisible to me with my cool chick vision.

    God, it’s great to be a girl!

    The huge number of children born out of wedlock and/or growing up without fathers these days is just one example of how seriously things have gone awry.

    Now, I know women have Choice, and are the gatekeepers and the selecting sex, blah, blah, blah, but really, can we not share the blame equally, fellas?

    And by equally, I mean you guys take most of it?

    Thanks. You’re all sweet.

    So most of the people on this thread sound just plain silly to me,

    With their facts and logic and reason…How the hell is someone supposed to take that shit seriously?

    ignorant of the most elementary knowledge of the workings of human society

    You WILL submit to the Matrix…

    (the guy who thinks that upper-middle-class men acquire mistresses by handing out Skittles is a perfect laughable example).

    They only do the real kinky shit for a Klondike bar.

    Frankly, they don’t come off as alphas to me–or even swallowers of the “red pill.”

    My definitions are the only ones that count.

    Did I mention that before?

    They sound as though they’ve simply swallowed another “blue pill”–one that makes them perpetually angry.

    I am now just tossing out terms I have read here while skimming to make it seem like I ‘get’ you guys, and then finish up with my now classic theme:

    “all men are angry all the time, and for absolutely no good reason at all and should just shut the fuck up and do my bidding and then die before me so I can retire with all of your shit.”*

    *Now Trademarked

    ***

    Whew!

    I hope this helps ease tension and brings us greater understanding.

  17. hat tip to you Seraph…that was beautiful

    …there’s way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it, though. Your brain does the translating. I don’t even see the code. All I see is troll, moby, mewling quim.

  18. Guys, including Glenn and Sun. I need your help

    I’m having a crisis of confidence this week. I just had the most enjoyable, most powerful week of my life. I feel like I am the most powerful I have ever been (that definition being in control of my destiny, my situations).

    I’ve had multiple social get-togethers this week and each has been sterling in my giving and receiving from the social interactions. Red pill awareness and game implementation are now natural in my interactions.

    I’ve never had it bad in my life, but I have worked my ass off and have accomplished a lot. I’ve been goal oriented and worked my life in a fashion to “not fuck up”. Simply put, it’s worked.

    I adopted red pill awareness several years ago and developed skilled married man game. It is paying off big time.

    Problem is I am developing IDGAF attitude and that attitude is hitting it out of the park for me.

    I take May 25th week “off” every year as my birthday week in Michigan. It’s always beautiful.

    I’m not angry. Not disgruntled. I love my wife and kids. They are good and worthy.

    Rollo Tomassi alone, singularly with minor help from Athol, saved my ass from the hell that would be “I love you but I’m not love with you” with my wife.

    My problem is I just sailed through March and April and early May with skill and grace. TL;DR tons of challenges, mostly business, professional and interpersonal milestones (Board exam with 60 hours of study, passed, 2 weeks staff call at the hospital with one to calls per day, wife’s 50th birthday, 25th anniversary, my birthday).

    Things are too good. I feel impending doom and a sense of dread.

    Get this: No woman are allowed to comment on the following fact.
    I developed a nodule in a personal part of my male anatomy over the last two months. I had a sword hanging over me and don’t like to and don’t go to doctors. Finally scheduled an appointment two weeks ago and saw the urologist two days ago. Turned out to be a pretty guaranteed benign no big deal thing. And I am an idiot for not getting checkups. My prostate turned out to have no nodules (idiot me never had it checked over 54 years). And the problem in question was a simple thing. No big thing (my dick is big, but the problem turned out to be minor).

    I wonder if any women commentators would feel sorry for me if I had to report the cure for my condition was a penectomy. Heheh, doubt it. Ref: Rollo’s essay on Empathy.

    My recommended treatment is daily Cialis and Vitamin E. Told my wife the urologist also recommend at least 3 times a week sex, preferably 4 to increase blood flow.

    So, I’m sitting here thinking if things are going too well for me, I don’t want to have Karma bite me in the ass.

    Reminds me of FreeNortherner’s essay on “Die when you are done” and his reference to Ecclesiastes.

    From his essay: [“For this we will go to my favourite (sic Canadian speak) book of the Bible for wisdom:

    In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these:
    the righteous perishing in their righteousness, and the wicked living long in their wickedness.
    Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise—why destroy yourself?
    Do not be overwicked, and do not be a fool—why die before your time?
    It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other.
    Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.
    (Ecclesiastes 7:15-18)

    Regardless of whether you are a Christian or not, the advice here applies to everything, avoid all extremes.

    “Moderation in all things, including moderation.” – Petronius”]

    I have abundance and an IDGAF mentality. It is scaring the shit out of me. Hit me up with some help on my mindset. I’m actually starting into dread. I farm enough to know that maim is always around the corner.

    And please, no advice or comments from supercilious, mewling Quims.

    Living up to your potential is scary business. Hopefully I’m not rising to my level of incompetence. I know the best thing to do is take a nap and let the feeling pass.

    My post is no glossing attempt. I still have and feel the male burden of performance. I’m feeling mastery, but as a doctor I know at any one moment in time, the male can be struck down.

    I faintly feel that at any one time one crippling disease would make it unlikely that one would get another disease. But it doesn’t work that way.
    I had my type I diabetes affliction at age 30 and that never hobbled me. Doesn’t give me any insulation from another one.

    My past week has been sublime and a pinnacle. Wish me luck.

    1. @Scott
      “Valance and priming are from the psychological literature that helps us understand for example, why you still feel scared for a while after something scary happens–even if you can rationalize that the danger is over.”
      Just thinking about this as I was rising home to sleep.
      This runs deep in my nigthmares
      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HOjj0mUP5SA
      Religious mom serious youth trauma.
      Than relying on media to expose myself in some relation
      https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=azvFl1xXE3QC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=childhood+trauma.bruce+perry&ots=7x6Kt2DXMu&sig=24mxVcRoyB8sOgENpM5E5uqpgPc#v=onepage&q&f=false
      As well as working on coping
      I did what I did to make sense out of adult oriented emotions what I now know is called game.
      https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=aWB1FMMvMXYC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=childhood+trauma.bruce+perry&ots=Pr-LJy7Cu-&sig=uVq-g0KwlURCsZStwi-yvHvtOlk#v=onepage&q=childhood%20trauma.bruce%20perry&f=false
      I didn’t have the time to mature as a heathy adult. I remember being attacked for the good and the bad. But their was a lot of ugly that was forbidden to talk about. It’s what fueled the despair in relation.
      I remember being exposed to some really hard things to function with. Mainly my mother over dominating my farther.
      This is the closets I can think about white how my mom would secretly approach at night and sleep next to me. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZ2TyaeHiI
      I am not a good communicator about this stuff in person because I shut down and numb myself with porn and masturbation.
      But some o the physical blows are hard for me to talk about. I used to journal but not in the same way after I was accused of trying to kill myself. Which I wasn’t I just writing about whole body harvesting.
      My boundaries have been attacked and used as a form of incestual violence that was mocked and openly denied when I tried to deal with it in person as it was coming up.
      Do you know any good ways to cope with shutting down?
      I am a huge burden on myself in that I have now come to attack myself when I can’t get away from my old habbits.
      It’s as if when I look deep down at the Trauma I am opening my own heart up. It’s to much for me to do alone. I enjoy growing but the amount of self hatred I have for myself is obscene. If you where to observe me in person I wonder with your own eyes what you would see and say about my intention vs my execution.
      Damn this is to damn tiresome to handle.
      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7tqVEdyteg
      That was me for reason trying to explain pain to adults who where causing it without admitting it to them self’s.
      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8fPj1-nKw0
      This is me now getting over my self importance and resting.
      Hopefully changing my programming
      @sjfrellc
      “Things are too good. I feel impending doom and a sense of dread.”
      Ah shit that’s familiar as well. I usually go on a long run or bike ride.
      “penectomy”
      I would help with skin graphs but I still need mine to reproduce my RNA and DNA
      “FreeNortherner’s essay on “Die when you are done”
      Going to read in morning
      “avoid all extremes”
      Understood
      “In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these:
      the righteous perishing in their righteousness, and the wicked living long in their wickedness.
      Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise—why destroy yourself?
      Do not be overwicked, and do not be a fool—why die before your time?
      It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other.
      Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.
      (Ecclesiastes 7:15-18)”
      “I know the best thing to do is take a nap and let the feeling pass.”
      Remember where all temporary
      I wish you more than luck I wish you the greatest moments of light and goodness physically imaginable.
      Be well good sir be well
      And Goodnight may you rest in the arms of your wife.

  19. “Hopefully I’m not rising to my level of incompetence.”

    And if you don’t, you’ll never have to worry about living up to your potential, because you’ll never find out what it is. The problem isn’t rising to your level of incompetence. The problem is not being able to recognize it when you see it.

    “I know the best thing to do is take a nap and let the feeling pass. ”

    Sounds like a plan to me.

    1. I’m appreciative of everyone’s input here, but I’m very close to closing a thread on TRM for the first time.

      Why? Because the trolling isn’t the same uninformed nonsense, it’s concerted. Every single new commenter has come with the same narrative: “TRP is singularly about anger, complaint and misery without any real solution.

      This is what the Retromasculinity faction wants to paint TRP with. it’s the same tactics SJWs use against their opponents. Blanket over an issue with a common misperception they create.

      It’s no coincidence we have these common theme trolls here now. I know because I was included in Rooshs’s private conclave forums on RVF back when it was me and Dalrock and Heartiste and others conferring about the ins and outs of the manosphere then.

      Dal had the sense to bow out long ago. Some others took more time. Maybe they saw something I didn’t then.

      This taught me the tactics that are now being used against me and the TRP. Recruit sympathetic tools to poison the well. Make TRP look like bitter angry old men who think they should get laid by 20 something girls.

      That will be the misdirect. That will be the contrived narrative. No regard for the lives TRP has saved. Distract any life saving benefit and credit it to some neomasculine trope.

      I’m actually surprised some click bait fluff piece on ROK hasn’t been schlepped on TRM as of yet, or TRP. They need red meat to survive at this point. But then, they are hiring new writers now. Maybe that’s the delay.

      Retromasculinity will sell out the manosphere at some point. Copy that now.

  20. Changing the subject. I would implore you great group of guys to go out and read “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” by Robert Pirsig.

    It is a metaphysical treatise on what Quality in life means to a male.The author literally out thought thousands of years of philosophy to arrive at a new paradigm where life has a driving force. As driven as a motorcycle pursuit is for a male. I’ve not had the experience of a bike between my legs for the past 40 years but I know the feeling. It can be sublime.

    If you start reading it, be patient. It doesn’t get easily readable until page 385 and then it all goes downhill and blossoms in the end. It changed my life in 1979 and it blew my mind in 2015 with goodness.

  21. “Be well good sir be well
    And Goodnight may you rest in the arms of your wife.”

    Give me a week. She’s on the rag now. Frame does not equal power. Got to let the bitchiness pass till the proliferative phase takes over. Ovulation is Your Friend is possibly the best advice Rollo ever gave. And sadly I wish someone would have told me that X number of years ago as my wife’s ovaries reach senescence. She’s still ovulating and it is a magical thing. Having your partner not be on the pill is a key, non-dulling the “menstruation is your friend” thing. Fat chance though with you young guys. I would imaging every young chick who is DTF is on the pill. It dulls the ovulation DTF craze.

    I have cute married medical assistants and it is almost comical how they greet me in the morning as to how I can tell they are in the ovulatory phase.It is self evident and you single PUA’s need to know that shit(sensing it). Who would of thunk Rollo has words of wisdom that ring true.

  22. Rollo, I appreciate what you’ve done here. In one sense i don’t like it that the evo psych model so accurately predicts behavior, but I really like the fact that I’m not completely blundering around in a blue pill coma wondering why nothing works the way I’ve been told it should.

    Another thing that TRM helps me with is that as a married guy, the PUA community can only help me so much (as far as I can tell, i only found the red pill community about 4 months ago). It seems like learning the deeper reasons why women do what they do is more helpful to me, because I would rather stay married; just learning how to pick up chicks doesn’t help much. Increasing my value seems to be a more efficient use of my efforts, especially now that I know my wife likes me more for what I am than who I am.

    sjfrellc, you told me a while back I should have a 2 year plan, which made sense, and I am implementing that. I appreciate you taking the time to respond that day; your advice was timely. Wish I had equally good advice to give you with what you’re dealing with but since I don’t I’ll just wish you the best.

    In addition to Rollo’s books and the 48 laws of power, I’ve been reading a book called emotional intelligence 2.0. I’ve always been somewhat socially awkward and take things to literally, so some humor goes right over my head, but this emotional intelligence book seems good for some of that. In the introduction to the 48 laws of power Robert Greene talks about mastery of your emotions being important for using the laws of power. Have any of you read this book, or have any thoughts about it? If any of you know of a better way to handle this part of mastering emotions and improving social skills I’d check that out too.

  23. Perceptive Rollo. Adapt as necessary. Thank You for your help. It is much appreciated.

    I don’t envision damage to your franchise by the fallout. Only idiots would not understand that you are self-less in your information/wisdom to help us.

  24. “In addition to Rollo’s books and the 48 laws of power, I’ve been reading a book called emotional intelligence 2.0. I’ve always been somewhat socially awkward and take things to literally, so some humor goes right over my head, but this emotional intelligence book seems good for some of that. In the introduction to the 48 laws of power Robert Greene talks about mastery of your emotions being important for using the laws of power. Have any of you read this book, or have any thoughts about it? If any of you know of a better way to handle this part of mastering emotions and improving social skills I’d check that out too.”

    I used to gloss over the need to bow to emotions. I know it is important to have mastery over emotions. That is the foundation of passing a shit test. You should read all that shit like your life depended on it and then read some more. Reading relieves anxiety. Mastery is extremely important. I haven’t had troubles with emotions. I still would submit that I am the least empathetic/emotional person I know outside of being Aspy (which I am not).

    Don’t be socially awkward. Assuming it’s not an inborn error of metabolism, that is what the manosphere is there to help you with. Read away with impunity and overcome your awkwardness. Awkwardness is not an attractive lifestyle.

  25. kfg
    May 29th, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    As a young man, that scene is what informed me that I was not alone, that there was, or at least had been, another who got it.

    Me too. I saw it in ’62. On the big screen. My favorite scene in the whole movie. The secret is not minding.

    Seraph
    May 29th, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    LULZ ^1,000. When is a woman not lying?

    I’m thinking. I’m thinking!

  26. @Rollo

    I’m not so certain it’s as big or as coordinated as you’re saying. A couple posts of this shit does not a conspiracy make. Currently the social climate on the internet at large and within the ‘spere is rather tumultuous what with feminist elements spending the last year overplaying their hand and Roosh’s big shift. There’s a lot going on leaving me open to the possibility that the increased trolling is just coincidence. Trolls gonna troll.

    However, I also don’t have some of the visibility in to the situation that you do, and I suspect I know why you’re displaying a greater level of concern about the situation. Just don’t let them get the upper hand by silencing the sane voices in the community.

    @sjfrellc

    It sounds to me like you’re keeping great control of the things you can, but you’re starting to feel dread over the things you can’t. There’s no point to that. If the other shoe’s gonna drop, it’s gonna drop. All you can do is keep yourself positioned to handle it well should it do so. Flexibility, as we discussed. It’s about being able to handle when shit doesn’t go according to plan; anybody can have things go well when it goes.

    Play the numbers, anticipate the most likely failures, keep contingency ready for those and a few other generalized problems (adequate insurance, savings, and knowledge), then let it go because you can’t change it. You can just react to it.

    Take it from a guy that’s been dead on an operating table before: you never know what’s coming, but there’s no point in worrying about it no matter how bad it might be.

  27. Rollo Tomassi
    May 30th, 2015 at 1:50 am

    I wouldn’t give in to it. And how they paint has nothing to do with the actual picture.

    OTOH. If its time – it is time. You will know when.

    But consider this. If they are sending their legions – they fear. And if what they send is the best they have got? Well I’m not impressed.

  28. sjfrellc
    May 30th, 2015 at 1:29 am

    Changing the subject. I would implore you great group of guys to go out and read “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” by Robert Pirsig.

    Always do everything the best you can.

    “The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.” — John W. Gardner, Saturday Evening Post, December 1, 1962

  29. Rollo, while I am sure you will come to the best decision for your blog, just wanted to offer my two cents.
    The best approach to this infiltration is to use the opportunity to respond rationally, and to use their accusations as a springboard to further TRP message. A good example is Vulpines response to zdroids mother instinct stuff- it was cogent, educational very rational and well reasoned. I learned a lot form his response and a few others. This is probably the best response.
    When guys write back to women and trolls here with heated insults and invective, I get it, they are venting and refusing to play nice, as they have for so long.. but it is important to keep in mind that trolls, and actual female commentators, live for this type of reaction. It plays right into their hands. I am not saying that their bullshit shouldn’t be called out as such, but by using their accusations as an opportunity to educate not the trolls mind you, but others who may be on the fence or just entering TRP, we neuter their attempt and use it to our advantage.
    Its also great practice for real life situations- I am sure when confronted with FI, BP bs in real life, guys don’t fly into a rage response. Being able to respond with well reasoned arguments is imperative.
    I am not saying to police long time commenters, but a word of advice and caution issued by you as to what is going on and why it is best to either ignore or simply use reason and logic in response. As well as a warning not to fall for their trap of baiting men into saying things they can then use against TRP.
    Whatever you decide, I am sure you’ll have the support of all us men who really appreciate what you do here.
    p.s. I hope all goes well for your mothers surgery and I hope it’s not serious.

  30. I can’t say much about coordinated trolling and stuff. But vs. trolls ignoring is usually best.

    Charlotte and Insanity imho just show typical female behavior, reminding me of my mother. They are intrigued by all these big angry men here, and so many at one place! The male empowerment happening here makes them anxious, which is even more intriguing. But it also triggers instincts to tame these men and their dangerous ideas. They want to put a foot of the FI in to get some control, to relieve their anxiousness. So they fake or even actually give empathy where they can (“I understand your anger and hurts”) but try to influence where it leads these men to (“Your anger is wrong, you should be loving and caring”). It’s poisoned loving. And the enlightened men feel this. This kind of bad lovin’ makes knowing men really angry (I loved “listen you retarded cunt from hell” @glenn) and for good reason.

    So Charlotte & Insanity, listen: You won’t influence where these men and this space is going anyway. You got no chance and if you try, you can just gtfo. You wont be able to lead these men and this movement back to the old days of making good use of clueless betas anyway. This isn’t a “conservative” movement. If you got that conservative model running at home still, be happy, be good to your husbands and enjoy what you’ve got. We here won’t go back to this. We’ll shape our world as we like and enjoy it and the more men do, the more the whole world will be shaped by our interests and a male imperative. If you’re indeed here because you like men, it’s fine to me. But you’ll have to accept all you can do is follow their lead, shut up and look beautiful and if you want to be liked, put some more fucking sugar into your lovin’.

  31. Charlotte Allen’s commenting on this site is another example of women who need to “invade spaces for men only”. It started with locker rooms, then it continued through private country clubs, etc, etc, etc.. The question of debate isn’t the problem (not afraid of a little debate). It’s the very fact that we have to have the debate in our space (for men) because the echo chamber sites (for women) always kick out any man with an opposing view.

    Also, her remarks are nothing more than the FI working it’s way (as usual) to shame men with an attitude that men need to ‘man up’. The message is for men only – those “strong and independent” women are exempt from responsibilities as adults. Why have women take any responsibility at all this point in the game?

    She doesn’t get that men don’t have a problem “manning up”…it’s that women (and society) are not doing their part and women are given a pussy pass on almost everything (from how to act in public, their personal appearance, by our court system, by our government, etc, etc…).

    Men are only going to respond in a certain manner towards a society or a government until they realize they are no longer part of it. That should be the real concern (versus women and their feelings).

  32. @ Rollo

    “This is what the Retromasculinity faction wants to paint TRP with. it’s the same tactics SJWs use against their opponents. Blanket over an issue with a common misperception they create.”

    They have to create it. It has to be something that is an “easy to swallow pill or capsule” for the lazy, ignorant herd to regurgitate.

    The message (or attack) has to be in a bumper sticker form (for the bumper stickers and twitter).

  33. @Sun Wukong
    May 30th, 2015 at 3:09 am

    Thanks man, I appreciate your words. Exactly why I put feelers out in order to hear those words. I’d be your self-less wingman if I had the chance.

    @M Simon
    May 30th, 2015 at 3:18 am

    Somehow, when I was a young adult, a mentor and I agreed that “now is not the time to be complacent” and I used to say to myself “everything matters”. Those credos have worked for me.

  34. @Crossphased
    May 30th, 2015 at 2:09 am

    I don’t recall my previous advice to you, but no matter how much grief Athol Kay can get in a pure red pill environment, his Mindful Attraction Plan really served as my framework over 18 months of improving myself.

    What is a is really important is minimizing your weaknesses and maximizing your strengths. And doing the same with your spouse’s. The green light, yellow light and red light metaphor in the Mindful Attraction Plan really is good.

    Roissy’s ninth commandment of Poon really helped me in my flow of behavior with married man game. Green light your wife’s emotional needs while keeping frame for your own needs.

  35. @Charlotte and Insanity – I know exactly how I sound – why would I not? I’m directing my anger at an appropriate target – cunts who come in here insulting and denigrating men. All well and good with me. Also, I looked in the mirror and I didn’t see a cunt. Hyperbole isn’t an argument or discussion. Your retorts to me are strikingly similar those of 7th grade girls.

    @Sun – Not renting space in my head. I don’t think about this when I don’t look at the site. And unlike them, and many men in the manosphere, this is the only place I frequent in the manopshere. This is all that I do in “the ‘sphere” – when I’m not here I’m doing something productive or enjoyable in my life. I also have ignored women in this site, and only go nuclear when ridiculous shrews like these two open their yaps in such nasty ways.

    I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when she saw that kind of rage from a man, and some men too. Sometimes it works online – I certainly rattled GWADT. I also think I got to Minter and his trained monkey with it to some degree.

    I’m not angry at all actually in reality – i’m not sitting here with veins bulging out of my forehead or spittle flying from my lips. I’m just flaying them and enjoying it, I wish you guys wouldn’t get sucked into the anger shaming game that women play.

    It’s a beautiful day in paradise up here by the lake. I’m at another BBQ today, the music man once again for a big party to celebrate a friend embarking on a second career. He was a teacher but went back to school to study nursing at 40 and he’s done now – a big accomplishment. It’s a big gig for me, with two amps, the looper modeler two guitars etc. so I have my work cut out for me. Which I love. Tomorrow I’m at the homeless shelter, then lunch with friends in town and then working on launching my new business/brand.

    My only disappointment is with D, the young one. She has acquired a boyfriend, and wants to be faithful to him. Of course I know this will only last a short while and that my reaction is an opportunity to demonstrate high value. The key now is to spin other plates and keep being her mentor, so when they have a fight or he cheats or whatever, I’m still in the loop. Daddy has to be smart about things…She will have to start to pay for coaching though (reduced rate, she can’t afford 175/hr).

    I’m a bit low on plates at the moment so it seems I have work to do. Hope you have a nice weekend planned. As for this vicious harridan, Charlotte, l imagine she’s busy in her web-world, posting errant nonsense on her blog or ginning up some more agit pop for Town Hall or some other reactionary, anti-intellectual sump of conservative blather. She’s found her niche and level there.

    I also realize what her deal is. She thinks she really understands what’s going on between men and women, and that the cure is a return to traditional values. The fact that men like me say that traditional values are what got us here and that they are not good for men in today’s world is something she can’t digest. If the cure for all our social ills is not a return to some notion of a traditional past based on her fantasies and fetishization of a snapshot in time taken in 3 homes in suburban America in 1958, well then she’s groundless.

    Rollo is correct of course when he focuses on the FI as a huge driver of society, and this is what Insanity and Charlotte refuse to acknowledge. Woman have so much power interpersonally and socially as a result of their manipulation of their sexual choice strategies, and men in this society have little to fight it back with. Provisioning for children will be provided regardless of how women treat fathers/husbands, and the govt is in a full out assault on masculinity and also subsidizing women’s endeavors. From the ridiculous sinecures many female humanities professors enjoy to the scores of women in health care and govt and teaching etc, they demand to have their nests feathered (employment in those sectors of our society grew from 20 million to over 30 million today and is still climbing).

    A political note. When Obama proposed his stimulus program, it was pretty high level but focused on actual infrastructure improvements. For lots of good reasons, economists of all stripes believe that in the time of an economic downturn, govt can have good effect by speeding up capital investments in infrastructure as a way of cushioning the blow in the economy and if they are well considered economically, some infrastructure investments can improve productivity. Just things like reducing congestion on roadways and ports, for example, can have impacts on productivity.

    But when the Prog-Marxists (M. Simon, I don’t just call them Progs) got hold of it, they went hysterical. You see the funding was going to be spent mainly on construction projects, which meant that the money would go to more men than women. And at the same time, the big blue states were all facing budget crises that meant they would have to lay off lots of govt workers – the majority of whom are women. Obama caved immediately, of course, and the budget plan was written by a bunch of Prog-Marxists from the Apollo Group – a radically leftist policy advocacy group. Of the 800 billion in the stimulus. how much do you think ended up going to infrastructure? After the Prog-Marxists got through with it? 9 billion. The rest went to states so they would not have to fire female workers.

    Women are easy to win over as voters. Women gave us Obama and will give us Hillary Clinton. Women gave us the debt ridden society we live in. Women gave us mass consumerism. Women gave us economically ignorant politics. Women react to fearmongering readily and give cover to U.S. hegemonic politics which are destructive to our actual interests. They don’t even understand that their fear and ignorance of the larger world provides cover to post-nationalist Marxists like Hillary and Obama to do social engineering on a global basis, as well as to the NeoCons who believe that the U.S. can “balance” global power to suit our interests (while ignoring that they’ve set the world ablaze and put us in the center of it).

    Women’s politics are driving this (men who want to use women’s political power are involved too), not men’s. The majority of men see through all this crap quickly. It’s likely that Charlotte and Insanty don’t even know that the State Dept has taken over all U.S. govt political destabilization efforts from the CIA, and that women like Rice, Powers, Nuland and Hillary run those programs that helped blow up Libya, Egypt and the Ukraine, for example. Other stupid cunts in the Netherlands have similarly driven their govt to be global social justice warriors. Our cunts have used U.S. “soft power” on a scale that most Americans would find shocking. These stupid cunts funded 67 political projects to foment the coup in the Ukraine, and then Victoria Nuland baked cookies and gave them to revolutionaries manning the barricades. This is female run foreign policy in the 21st century – and most here don’t even know it. All brought to us by radically leftist, half smart, self-anointed elitist women.

    The FI has run rampant, but as M. Simon keeps pointing out, reality is a bitch. The material world has limits. Reversion to the mean is guaranteed. The only reason women can play the games they do in society today is due to our bubble economy. Fyi, girls, I’m going to talk about economics so try and keep up. I realize that neither Charlotte nor Insanity could define what say money is, or even lay out the basics of free markets and why they work but I’ll proceed anyway.

    You see, we’ve had four different asset classes bubbling up since the Fed was created. Stock market, bonds, real estate and now the final one, the govt debt bubble (really just a subset of bonds). Yes, we are in a stock market and real estate bubble now, but they are held up by a sub-bubble of govt debt on a global basis. Hell, some countries are experiencing negative interest rates now (a signal that a nation is in a monetary/fiscal death spiral).

    The low interest rates and the total indebtedness of these countries is stratospheric. Idiots talk about how China is taking over the world, but they are the most bubbled of all. Its stock markets are gyrating wildly right now. They have built entire cities that remain unoccupied on cheap debt . None of this is sustainable. When it comes crashing down, we will see a global economic collapse that will make the ’20s and ’30s look manageable in comparison. The dollar will be worth 20% of what it is now in global markets, if it survives at all. All banks will be wiped out, along with all depositors. Govts at all levels will default on its debts and have to fire at least half of their workforces, and will focus only on basic services. Govt pension checks and welfare checks simply will not be issued – the money to pay such things simply won’t exist. You will have a soup kitchen/food pantry to go to though, and I may still volunteer and see you bitches on the line. Today I see mostly men though…

    The entire edifice of primary, secondary and higher education that women have built to serve their needs and control and mold men will come crashing down around their ears too. Education will rush to an online model as the idea of spending 60,000 to send your kid to college will be unthinkable. Many small locales will be forced to online education for primary and secondary ed. This will force higher ed to change – it will already have collapsed. Health care, ditto – you will attach a few sensors to your body and phone, and get online with a physicians assistant who will diagnose and treat most common health problems. The entire system will change as it becomes privately funded again since the main govt programs for paying for healthcare will not exist anymore.

    In other words, the industries that have been the sinecures and power bases for women will be cut down to size in a catastrophic way. Men who focused on making stuff and prepared for this turn of events will be in the catbird seat though. You can’t imagine what even just 10k in gold in today’s could be worth in such a world. Every man should have his reserve ready so he can care for himself and those he’s responsible for a few weeks/months until order is restored (something anyone in a rural area can do for 2k or less if they are determined). Those in the cities, well, just try and count up how many people in NYC or LA or Boston or Chicago work for the govt or live off of welfare? Hint, it’s more than half the people who live there. What do you think they will do when they are out of food, water and money in 3-5 days? If you don’t flee the cities, and you are well off and white, you’ll be dinner.

    I can hear Charlotte and insanity yawning, bored of all this stupid talk about bubbles and bonds and cataclysmic events that are headed our way. It’s okay girls, the men are talking now, why don’t you go make us sandwiches or do some gardening or have a fucking coffee klatch or something?

    If you think I’m hysterical or wrong, consider that just in the past month, HSBC’s leading economist, Goldman Sachs and Bill Gates have also warned of the coming crisis brought on by our unprecedented indebtedness – I know, you girls were too busy on CafeMom reading about why married women cheat to be bothered paying attention to any of that stupid “men’s stuff”. http://thestir.cafemom.com/love_sex/186322/women_confess_what_the_temptation?ct=slider_1

  36. -Edit – when I talk about the increase in employment in “soft” fields dominated by women, the time period was from 2001 to today. 20 million to over 30 million – gee, did the rest of our labor force increase by 50% during that time period? And remember, Charlotte, Dubya and the Republicans did their part with gusto.

  37. @Hobbes

    The best approach to this infiltration is to use the opportunity to respond rationally, and to use their accusations as a springboard to further TRP message.

    While I agree, there is no clean way of laying with pigs. The nature of who & what you’re engaging should be considered. The best case scenario is to simply make it clear which person came in here and shit all over everything. In that case, you might have pinned the blame correctly, but still got crap everywhere.

    While women are perfectly capable of logic and reason, their social position makes them far less likely to use it. This is the same with soliciting sympathy with men. Men are perfectly capable of playing up the victim angle, and some do it successfully, but their social position makes them far less likely to use it. Often these activities for their respective sexes backfire because they reveal elements of the nature of the person that are entirely undesired. When you get women like Charlotte and Insanity, you’re talking about women with some stretch marks under the belt, who have spent their life to this point operating from a covert-communication position. Their default response is going to be to not listen to anyone discussing truth about women, and shame them for trying. They’re going to be unnaturally afraid of engaging any form of reason at all, and this is before you even get to the intensely non-flattering nature of the subject matter (for them) that Rollo has amassed here. So not only are we dealing with people who are going to simply throw knee-jerk shit everywhere and engage in shaming wherever possible, we’re dealing with people who truly believe that they stand to lose big if they ever engage their logic and reason and face the uncomfortable truths of female nature.

    It is near impossible to get someone to understand something when their survival depends on them not understanding it. I believe many women (regardless of troll status) truly feel that if men understand female nature, they will lose big. They are intensely afraid of what it means for them if men see through their bullshit. Lots of these women have depended on significant amounts of deception their entire lives, to cover up cheating on a partner, to convince a man to marry, etc..etc.. Women who depend on deception will attack anyone who intends on revealing the mechanisms by which that deception is enacted. Obviously, this calls into question the character of women who would attack men here. Sure they may claim to be “happily married” and “traditional”, but the likelihood is they’ve got a couple secrets they don’t want men in their lives to know.

    Honest women will still find Rollo’s work unflattering, but they have far less incentive to attack it. Remember this when engaging with Charlotte and her ilk. If she has an incentive to be here, it’s likely because she stands to lose from honest discussion of female nature. That means she may have built a life on deceiving men on that nature.

  38. “I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when she saw that kind of rage from a man, and some men too. Sometimes it works online – I certainly rattled GWADT. I also think I got to Minter and his trained monkey with it to some degree.”

    Well congratulations, you have now taken a dump on 3 happily married women who agree with the bulk of what Tomassi has to say. Feel better about yourself, yet?

    “I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of…”

    And yet when I said, “men are scary,” several of you completely freaked out. Tomassi should probably change his blog name to the irrational male, because you cannot have it both ways at the same time.

  39. @Seraph – Nice decoding. You nicely identify the complete irrationality of her central position.

    @Siffrellc – I can relate a bit. When I was 40 I was kind of on top of the world and had a sense of what you are saying. My approach in general? Pragmatic optimism. Have a plan for the downside so if the worst happens, you are not flattened. Illness. financial setbacks, a wife who turns on you – whatever.

    As for the thoughts, I also think that we can all benefit by developing mental resilience. In your case, it’s these negative, semi-irrational fears that you seem to be obsessing about. I do a stepwise process with such thoughts.

    1. Evaluate it rationally. For me, sometimes I didn’t listen to my fear and regretted it. Are you vulnerable to, or are you ignoring, things you should be paying attention to? Make sure your fear isn’t incorrect as in our modern world we to readily dismiss our visceral sense of things that is often quite wise.

    2. Accept your worry/fear. Invite it in for a cup of tea and sit with it until it leaves. If you don’t fight it or argue with it, it will go away in short order. It’s the fighting/aversion to it that causes it to persist.

    3. Insecurity – I sort of felt like I didn’t deserve my success and status. I think this is a deep part of FI-Prog-Marxist consciousness that has leeched into the system at a social level. Hint: Nobody deserves success or failure. They either do the work to be successful or don’t, and in either case circumstances and fortune have a role. Many men seems conflicted about their own success, that’s all bullshit but wealth and high social status are denigrated nonstop in our popular culture and politics so it’s hard not to feel. It’s also true that some people get unlucky, but even in my case, the problem for the past few years has been my give-up, not my “luck”. I have had chances, but I just can’t seem to go at it full bore anymore.

    IDGAF will only take you so far. I’m realizing that I have to figure out what I want to give a fuck about. Hope this is helpful and congratulations on all your success, you have much to be proud of.

  40. Glenn
    May 30th, 2015 at 9:31 am

    I have been using Progs as shorthand for Prog-Marxists. But you do have a point. Education. This society still needs more of it. Not enough know. I’m going to spell it out from now on. Thanks.

  41. @insanitybytes22

    Well congratulations, you have now taken a dump on 3 happily married women who agree with the bulk of what Tomassi has to say. Feel better about yourself, yet?

    Considering commenting here is voluntary, it sounds like 3 happily married women that are into being dumped on. Don’t worry, I won’t judge you any worse for it (but not for the reason you think).

  42. Glenn
    May 30th, 2015 at 9:31 am

    What is ironic about setting the world ablaze is that the cons and fems have empowered a 7th century sect that doesn’t just disempower women. It enslaves them. And if they don’t want that (maybe they secretly do – maybe the FI and Prog-Marxism is just the biggest shit test ever invented) they are going to have to depend on men to protect their interests.

    Interesting times.

  43. @ Jeremy

    “Considering commenting here is voluntary, it sounds like 3 happily married women that are into being dumped on.”

    Agree. While at times I could appreciate another perspective (from a woman) the victim claim does not go well (not here).

    You can’t enter the locker room without seeing a couple of dicks…that’s just how it is (and you can’t complain about it). You’re in the men’s locker room…remember it well.

  44. “…it sounds like 3 happily married women that are into being dumped on…”

    Most likely, if they didn’t want to get dumped on they bring something of value. Criticism is free everywhere and then usually overpriced.

    But I do think they serve a purpose, serving as voluntary targets.

  45. And yet when I said, “men are scary,” several of you completely freaked out. Tomassi should probably change his blog name to the irrational male, because you cannot have it both ways at the same time.

    If you fear anger, then you truly do have an irrational fear of someone else’s emotion. I actually couldn’t have made my case any clearer, thanks for commenting. Anger does not include any form of action, violent or otherwise. So if you fear male anger, you fear that which cannot possibly harm you. In short, you just demonstrated that you hold an entirely irrational fear of men. Again, thanks for playing, I wish using reasoned arguments were your default operational mode, it might have been more fun that way.

  46. And the men are going to have to want to fight. And for that pussy must be supplied. The “other side” gets that and has a huge drive going on to recruit females. And of the 600 or so known cases only 2 have come back from their enslavement. That is a very good record.

    Note that they do not guard the men that join them with anywhere near that effort.

    Interesting times.

  47. Re: my last comment (men’s locker rooms)

    I have to say that is what really pisses me off about women. At first, they just want in (to be included). After awhile, getting in is not enough for them. They want to be included in making the rules, moving shit around, complaining, etc… It’s happened in every space that men have had over the years.

    Women get in and they turn it into a god damn spa (no longer a men’s locker room).

    Years later, they have the nerve to open up their own places and label them “for women only” or “safe space for women”.

    You can’t make this shit up.

  48. @Rugby – When I was 18, my sister called me to tell me she was having an abortion. I hitchhiked 350+ miles from Buffalo, NY to Brattleboro, VT in early February in 20 degree weather to be with her. With 22 dollars to my name.

    My mom died in childbirth because she would not have an abortion. Our family doctor, a traditional, experienced family practitioner told her she would die if she had the baby. My mom was 39 and already had health problems. As a good, real Christian, Catholic woman, she pondered this and actually discussed it with the whole family. She found some specialists who gave her a better prognosis, but in any event, that would not have changed her mind. She could never kill her own baby. Never. She died for her beliefs.

    So there I am, comforting my sister when she’s doing what my mother wouldn’t do. The contradictions of women are maddening – but the point is that I have no say either way, right? And heaven help me if I get angry about something, hell, I should be penned up or something. My only job is to be “supportive” of women.

    Do you know what’s most galling about the attitude of these harpies who come here? I’ve spent a life in service to women in real, material ways. Helping raise my infant sister at age 11 after my mom’s death – she was 12 days old and still in the hospital when my mom died suddenly from an embolism. Being her surrogate father for decades as she went from suicide attempts to fucked up boyfriends and deep, never ending depression. Large amounts of cash and love. To the rest of my sisters too, as I thought that being a “good brother” was important. I served my daughter for decades, and have always been a protector and provider to the women in my life.

    But no matter what, both feminists and right winger women feel completely entitled to accuse me of hating women. Or having my anger be out of control or obsessive. I wish I could take them back to when I was 6-7 years old, when I first learned to hold doors for women. I remember losing my mom on her shopping trips countless times due to holding the door for the endless stream of women in the stores. I remember the tension of not wanting to let the door swing into some woman who expected me to hold the door open but also watching my Mom walking away in the crowds. This shit starts at birth for boys and is drummed into us.

    The truth about abortion is that men are not allowed to have a view about it in our society.We are supposed to shut up and pay and hold the door and nod to whatever women want to do. Fuck that, and those who treat me that way. Just sayin’…

    1. @Glenn

      I knew you were a Catholic! Why don’t you talk to a priest? Seriously–the doors of the Church are always open.

      Here is a saint–St. Gianna Beretta Molla–who died in childbirth in 1962 after refusing to have an abortion or a hysterectomy that could have saved her life. I’m sure that she and your mother are good friends in heaven:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianna_Beretta_Molla

      I will pray for your sister.

  49. Wow. Thank you Seraph, Glenn and Jeremy for your insights.

    Glenn, I’m just finishing my tea and a cigar on the sunny patio. My resilient adaptable self will be over it in a week. After I get through my menstrual period.

    One gift I have given myself (developed in myself) is an infinite capacity to rationalize and accept who I am and where I’m going. I owe you for your empathetic thoughts. I’m glad I put myself out there last night. Thanks a million. Best wishes to you.

  50. @Insanity – But of course, you have to ignore the 99% of my commentary on this site that isn’t “scary” to hold the infantile view you cling to. Have at it, just don’t expect to be taken seriously. Nor should you expect that you have the standing to make criticism of how the men here are or aren’t stick.

    Tell me though, will you acknowledge that you made vicious, denigrating comments here about men before I said a word to you? Just checking if you are grounded in reality at all because the facts are plain to see on this site. I actually counseled ignoring you completely and did so for a while, but that only works with 100% compliance, so shooting rage at you is really my “Plan B”. But you just conveniently ignore all this.

    Which is what makes you a cunt. Run along now girly, the scary men want to talk some more without having to worry about your feelz.

  51. “So if you fear male anger, you fear that which cannot possibly harm you. In short, you just demonstrated that you hold an entirely irrational fear of men.”

    Not at all. What you seem to fail to understand is that male anger can and has harmed many people, including women. Is that not the entire point of all your bluster and bravado, to intimidate and manipulate a fear based response?

    “While at times I could appreciate another perspective (from a woman) the victim claim does not go well (not here).”

    I’m actually not a victim of anything. I’m rather blessed and quite happy. Getting “dumped on” serves another vital purpose, it allows me to recognize how miraculous it was that I somehow managed to win the husband lottery. I am therefore even more motivated to pour praise and encouragement over him and be filled with gratitude for who and what he is.

  52. This is so important it bears repeating. Do not gine it the TL;DR treatment. All the indicators point to September 2015 as the next phase of the great crash. And not just indicators. I have had some relatively smart socon fems point it out to me in just the last week. That gives you an indication of how widespread the knowledge of what is coming is.

    Glenn
    May 30th, 2015 at 9:31 am

    The FI has run rampant, but as M. Simon keeps pointing out, reality is a bitch. The material world has limits. Reversion to the mean is guaranteed. The only reason women can play the games they do in society today is due to our bubble economy. Fyi, girls, I’m going to talk about economics so try and keep up. I realize that neither Charlotte nor Insanity could define what say money is, or even lay out the basics of free markets and why they work but I’ll proceed anyway.

    You see, we’ve had four different asset classes bubbling up since the Fed was created. Stock market, bonds, real estate and now the final one, the govt debt bubble (really just a subset of bonds). Yes, we are in a stock market and real estate bubble now, but they are held up by a sub-bubble of govt debt on a global basis. Hell, some countries are experiencing negative interest rates now (a signal that a nation is in a monetary/fiscal death spiral).

    The low interest rates and the total indebtedness of these countries is stratospheric. Idiots talk about how China is taking over the world, but they are the most bubbled of all. Its stock markets are gyrating wildly right now. They have built entire cities that remain unoccupied on cheap debt . None of this is sustainable. When it comes crashing down, we will see a global economic collapse that will make the ’20s and ’30s look manageable in comparison. The dollar will be worth 20% of what it is now in global markets, if it survives at all. All banks will be wiped out, along with all depositors. Govts at all levels will default on its debts and have to fire at least half of their workforces, and will focus only on basic services. Govt pension checks and welfare checks simply will not be issued – the money to pay such things simply won’t exist. You will have a soup kitchen/food pantry to go to though, and I may still volunteer and see you bitches on the line. Today I see mostly men though…

    The entire edifice of primary, secondary and higher education that women have built to serve their needs and control and mold men will come crashing down around their ears too. Education will rush to an online model as the idea of spending 60,000 to send your kid to college will be unthinkable. Many small locales will be forced to online education for primary and secondary ed. This will force higher ed to change – it will already have collapsed. Health care, ditto – you will attach a few sensors to your body and phone, and get online with a physicians assistant who will diagnose and treat most common health problems. The entire system will change as it becomes privately funded again since the main govt programs for paying for healthcare will not exist anymore.

    In other words, the industries that have been the sinecures and power bases for women will be cut down to size in a catastrophic way. Men who focused on making stuff and prepared for this turn of events will be in the catbird seat though. You can’t imagine what even just 10k in gold in today’s could be worth in such a world. Every man should have his reserve ready so he can care for himself and those he’s responsible for a few weeks/months until order is restored (something anyone in a rural area can do for 2k or less if they are determined). Those in the cities, well, just try and count up how many people in NYC or LA or Boston or Chicago work for the govt or live off of welfare? Hint, it’s more than half the people who live there. What do you think they will do when they are out of food, water and money in 3-5 days? If you don’t flee the cities, and you are well off and white, you’ll be dinner.

    I can hear Charlotte and insanity yawning, bored of all this stupid talk about bubbles and bonds and cataclysmic events that are headed our way. It’s okay girls, the men are talking now, why don’t you go make us sandwiches or do some gardening or have a fucking coffee klatch or something?

    P.S. – When I talk about the increase in employment in “soft” fields dominated by women, the time period was from 2001 to today. 20 million to over 30 million – gee, did the rest of our labor force increase by 50% during that time period? And remember, Charlotte, Dubya and the Republicans did their part with gusto.

  53. @M. Simon – Indeed, we have a very similar analysis of the politics of all this. It really is remarkable how well the left has hidden it’s victory. I’ll share two comments I heard at a party last weekend from rabid Prog-Marxist crunchy types up here.

    1. From an eco lawyer, 250 lb landwhale who I took to her prom, who works on M&A, not saving the planet, lol. She went to Cornell and some good law school, so she’s one of the “anointed” as Thomas Sowell put it so well. “You see, the problem with the right is that they don’t even know that most of them agree with Progressive views on policy.” She and the others there chimed in, talking about that fascist Nixon who introduced the EPA and the War on Drugs and many other big govt efforts as proof of this. As an aside, they don’t even know there was huge battle in conservative and Republican circles and that Bill Buckley and the National Review itself came out against Nixon strongly in 1972. Their history of events simply proceeds without need of any facts any longer. And the arrogance? They actually believe that I don’t know why I believe the things I do. that I don’t understand policy or how politics and govt actually work, or what they do. The level of disrespect they have for the right is staggering.

    2. From a house flipping guy married to a teacher. After a silly conversation about microwaving various objects, this little fucker throw out, “I wish we could just nuke everyone at the next Republican convention.”

    They think we’re stupid. They know they’ve already won. The real question for them now is how to strip us of the remaining economic and political power we retain. Yet we are not to discuss it.

    Okay, I’m off like a prom dress. Have a great day guys.

  54. @insanitybytes22

    Not at all. What you seem to fail to understand is that male anger can and has harmed many people, including women. Is that not the entire point of all your bluster and bravado, to intimidate and manipulate a fear based response?

    Dear god, you are insane. I’m not sure there’s any part of that response that is grounded in reality. Let’s break it down:

    male anger can and has harmed many people, including women.

    How did this happen? With energy-beams shooting out from male brains that harmed people? Anger is an emotion just like any other, it is not violence, it is not action. Therefore, male anger cannot harm you. The fact that you continue to insist that it can just means you are insane.

    Is that not the entire point of all your bluster and bravado…

    So, wait, now we’re talking about men creating anger in others, or male anger itself? It’s so difficult talking with insane people, but let me give it a shot. If you’re talking about men attempting to instill anger in other men, then firstly, you’ve got the wrong terms. Bold behavior by men, when engaging with other men, is intended to generate respect. I realize you may have a distorted view of masculinity from all the feminist shit you’ve read your whole life, but I’m telling you the truth.

    …to intimidate and manipulate a fear based response?

    Oh, now you’re talking about intimidation and not anger? Intimidation is ACTION not emotion. Angry men may intimidate others, but anger is not intimidation. You said you fear male anger, so you fear that which cannot hurt you. You are a disturbed woman.

  55. Glenn
    May 30th, 2015 at 10:01 am

    The Bene Gesserit have something to teach on that score.

    LITANY AGAINST FEAR

    I must not fear.
    Fear is the mind-killer.
    Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my fear.
    I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
    Only I will remain.

    “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” – Yoda.

    ===============

    We are headed for a very dark time. What is not well understood is that we in the West have a cushion. All the machinery and productive capacity will not disappear. Just the money will go. And money – as currently used – is a tool of the FI. My advice? Start learning about crypto currency. Find one (or parts of one) that are backed by productive resources.

    The world money system HAS to crash because there is no way the debts can be paid.

    Look at just one aspect. Illinois is considering ending Prohibition. Because it is wrong? Hell no. Because it is unaffordable. There will be a LOT of that going on.

    If you live in a big city – get out ASAP. Where to go? Towns of 10K to 150K. Why? They will be resource hubs and places where you can count on your neighbors. Do not be too isolated. But also do not be too packed in.

  56. @M Simon

    Well spoken.

    Keep in mind fuel too. Most areas of the USA operate on less than 72 hours worth of gasoline supply, and less than 24 hours worth of diesel.

    This is why a single refinery going down can raise the cost of gasoline at the pump in a short time. (among many, many other reasons)

    How quickly do you think your local WalMart would run out of food if they could not get diesel, or diesel was $50, or $100 a gallon?

    30 minutes? 15 minutes?

    The entire world is built on the back of cheap diesel.

  57. “How did this happen? With energy-beams shooting out from male brains that harmed people? Anger is an emotion just like any other, it is not violence, it is not action. Therefore, male anger cannot harm you.”

    Are you really that thick in the head? Do you not realize that emotions and feelings often lead to actions?

    What is the purpose of all the anger and hostility directed towards the last 3 married women who commented here? Was that not designed to chase us away, to intimidate us into fleeing, to create a fear based response so you can wall yourselves off?

    “You said you fear male anger, so you fear that which cannot hurt you.”

    That’s actually a very sweet idea, but again it’s based on a complete disconnect from the consequences of relentless male rage.

  58. target1 – “Do you not realize that emotions and feelings often lead to actions?”

    Like a woman you fail to analyze properly.

    The correct model is emotion>THOUGHT>action.

    I know thinking is foreign to you and you have only the very slightest of understanding the idea. That’s OK we don’t really expect you to get it.

  59. @insanitybytes22

    Are you really that thick in the head? Do you not realize that emotions and feelings often lead to actions?

    Oh, there we are, the key-phrase… “Often lead to action”. So even you admit that anger is not action. Since anger is not action, say it with me now, it will be painful for you, but please try…

    You have no reason to fear of male anger.

    But you apparently do fear male anger. That is an irrational fear. That means you are insane as your handle states, which means that just about everyone here should ignore everything you say.

  60. @ M. Simon – Let me be clear. I cannot call the timing of this. Remember, the policymakers and politicians still have many tricks up their sleeves. Just look at how the Republicans can easily ally with Obama’s big govt ideas when they think the politics of it suit them. Things they can and will do, and have already discussed publicly:

    1. Nationalize all private retirement savings – 401k, Keough, pensions. This will be done in the name of “fairness” but if the markets haven’t cracked yet, it will seem a like a plausible “crisis” solution.

    2. Global Wealth Tax paid up through the U.N.

    3. Outright confiscation of earnings and wealth above a certain level. Progs have long talked about capping income at 500k – but since so many of them make this much or more from govt funded jobs and grant money from NGO’s they will probably bounce it up to 750k. All wealth over say 7-10 million.

    4. Effective nationalization of banking and energy industries, which via fees and taxes will fund huge chunks of govt directly.

    5. Nationalization of govt across the board – With so many insolvent, bankrupt towns, cities and states, there will be an opportunity to reconstitute all those governments as one national govt, like some European nations have. This will be sold on the basis of efficiency and fairness.

    6. Control of resources – I think our military and national guards are ready for something like this and you can bet that it will quickly become quite hard to steal food or gas in large quantities. They will protect govt at all costs and due to the “crisis” take control of the economy in huge ways, and many Americans will cheer them on.

    This could be exactly the crisis that brings on what would best look like Spanish or Italian fascism, the mode of government that made Progressives so wet back in the early 20th century. As a historical aside. many frustrated Communists joined the fascists. The entire appeal of National Socialism in Germany was based on a socialism with a nationalistic value system embedded in it, and many German socialists and communists ended up in the Nazi party.

    My point? Not to smear the left, but rather to identify the authoritarian and totalitarian vibe that runs through the left today. If you are one of those soft lefties out there, who believes himself to be “beyond politics” and hear what I’m saying here as problematic, consider that I’m just repeating what these folks themselves say in their less guarded moments.

    Last. @M. Simon – I’m not as concerned with the Muslims as you. In fact, if we stopped provoking them they would not be harassing us. And if you bring up Barbary Pirates as a response to that, all I can say is please stop. You are right – they have a 7th century society and values. But they also have a history and tradition of war and empire and conquest which the west has lost its appetite for. Our post WWII record of meddling in the mideast is the direct driver of all this. They would be fighting, yes, but they would not be trying to kill us. It would be like the wars in Burma or even Nigeria or the Phillpines that burn on – far away and not about us at all.

    We’d have to face them eventually. And of course, with a righteous cause – rather than hegemony – the American people would happily cut them down like cordwood. But this situation? To support a regional order designed to support Zionists and Princes and thugs and madmen? Give it up. Any sober look at our policies over the past 60 years tells you that it’s all blowing up in our faces. And we didn’t need to be there.

  61. “Ever the eager beaver (or was it ever eager for beaver?), I am taking it upon myself to do a public service and help translate Charlotte’s womanly dialect into a language we can all understand with our manly ears…”

    “YES, you may have had something INFINITELY SAD happen to you, but it’s about time you got over it, right? I mean, are you going to be mad forever about that INFINITELY SAD thing that happened?

    Infinity doesn’t last FOREVER, okay?

    I’m so over it…what aren’t you?”

    Seraph,

    One of the best!……………Awesome.

  62. M Simon, Glenn:

    “The world money system HAS to crash because there is no way the debts can be paid.”

    That has been the case for ca. 4000 years now. It’s always like that in a monetary system. It works though, because someone will make more debt in the future and the system can pay off old debts from that. It’s how capitalism works. One could say a big fraud. Interestingly that debt system can be traced back as long as that famed patriarchy. The important point to understand with both is: There never was a happy old age, when everything was still good. That story of good hard “sound” money is just a fantasy as well.

    When it comes to gold-money vs. debt-money, the difference is gold can be robbed, taken by force in war. Debt cannot, it’s money depending on the social-economic structure to have value. That social-economic structure can never be destroyed from debt, because all the structure has to do is produce more debt. Government and Central Bank together can create as much money as needed to pay the debts in the system. The limit is only Inflation and fx-prices. Inflation is low everywhere (and would only pick up from people having more money to spend) and the whole world is indebted. We might go into some socialist-like government-capitalism, but the debt is only a symptom of something being wrong (wages too low actually), but not a core problem.

    That one is way too complicated for some comments here. But there is quite a bit more to it than you think.

  63. ANGER
    deep inside , women claim to hate angry men , the truth is women hate themselves because their pussies LOVES angry men .

    sex after a heated fight (with an angry man)is the best aphrodisiac .

    there is that unspeakable wetness that flows .

  64. “Oh, there we are, the key-phrase… “Often lead to action”. So even you admit that anger is not action. Since anger is not action, say it with me now, it will be painful for you, but please try…You have no reason to fear of male anger.”

    And yet many of you are very upset that women do not fear male anger! You simply cannot have it both ways. Look at what Glenn said,

    “I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when she saw that kind of rage from a man, and some men too. Sometimes it works online – I certainly rattled GWADT.”

    So Glenn clearly wants to make women “feel” his white hot rage, force women to shut their mouths, and to rattle a rather nice girl’s cage.

    So “feel,” “force,” and “rattle”, sound like actions me. Also, did it not create a re-action? Did he not hurt women he does not even know and rattle their cages? Was that not the entire point of his anger? Those words are verbs and verbs represent actions.

  65. Glenn
    May 30th, 2015 at 11:13 am

    I’m going to repeat back something to you that you said. With my emph.

    Last. @M. Simon – I’m not as concerned with the Muslims as you. In fact, if we stopped provoking them they would not be harassing us. And if you bring up Barbary Pirates as a response to that, all I can say is please stop. You are right – they have a 7th century society and values. But they also have a history and tradition of war and empire and conquest which the west has lost its appetite for.

    ==

    As you point out – our being is a provocation. Leaving them alone will not matter. And your point about leaving them alone is a trap an awful LOT of libertarians fall into. If the muzzies were well versed in the NAP and believed in it you might have a point. But that is not how they think. “God’s will” is how they think. “We are going to fvck with you until you get right with God and our particular sect” is how they think. The NAP doesn’t work with their lot.

    The question then becomes will the FI-Prog-Marxist turn to the men of the West for succor or will they surrender to slavery? My guess is that a LOT of them want to be slaves. And they will surrender to who ever promises it to them. After all that is what RP teaches.

    The FI-Prog-Marxism is the biggest shit test ever invented.

  66. @insanitybytes22

    And yet many of you are very upset that women do not fear male anger!

    “…”

    “I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when she saw that kind of rage from a man, and some men too. Sometimes it works online – I certainly rattled GWADT.”

    So Glenn clearly wants to make women “feel” his white hot rage, force women to shut their mouths, and to rattle a rather nice girl’s cage.

    Let’s recap: You consider men to be scary. You consider male anger specifically to be a manifestation of that. You consider Glenn’s words to constitute harmful action or the desire to do harmful action. You continue commenting here voluntarily. I am forced to make some interesting conclusions…

    Actually, it sounds like you need a man like Glenn in your life. You seem to have an irrational need to feel fear of male anger, to the point where Glenn’s words have aroused you to think things of his words that he didn’t say. I can’t say I approve of foreplay on Rollo’s comment section, but I’m not going to judge you by what gets you going.

    When you’re ready to engage the brain… oh wait, lol, now I made myself laugh.

  67. ” . . . happily married women . . .”

    Your warding spell has failed to work, even though you’ve repeated it three times. Your magic is weak and has no power here, old crone.

  68. lh
    May 30th, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Well maybe. But how did we get into the current mess? Instead of hard money – money backed by resources – we have fiat money. Well OK. If money production is kept within bounds that is not too terrible.

    But what we have is bank created money – unbacked by resources and the banks charge interest on the money they have created. Also not too bad. Until they start creating debt faster than production can pay off the interest – let alone the collateral.

    Now all this might continue on for a good long time. Except that there is now not just gold and silver but also competing currencies. And some of that competition is backed by resources.

    What was done in the last crash? The debt was rolled over – not forgiven. It may not work as well this next time. Glenn and I take the libertarian perspective on this. Unproductive efforts HAVE to be slashed. Instead they were multiplied. That is what the roll over meant.

    We are 7 years on – the next down turn will be worse. 2008 was a warm up. We will keep crashing until the system gets rationalized. And the only way to do that is to decouple money from the banks. Money should represent productive business. And some of it should represent the promise to start new productive business. We get inklings of this with the KickStarter movement. When it is coupled with currency we will have a revolution.

  69. “You seem to have an irrational need to feel fear of male anger . . .”

    The foundation of Patriarchy Theory. She’s pretty radfem for someone who claims so much agreement with Rollo. If we redact the warding spells from her speech just about everything that’s left is feminist boilerplate, including the attack spells.

  70. @Rollo

    “I’m appreciative of everyone’s input here, but I’m very close to closing a thread on TRM for the first time.

    Why? Because the trolling isn’t the same uninformed nonsense, it’s concerted. Every single new commenter has come with the same narrative: “TRP is singularly about anger, complaint and misery without any real solution.

    This is what the Retromasculinity faction wants to paint TRP with. it’s the same tactics SJWs use against their opponents. Blanket over an issue with a common misperception they create.”

    ….Closing a thread on TRM for the first time. –

    One of the greatest things about you and this site is the open forum you maintain. There will always be unwanted contributors, misconceptions, and misrepresentations. Any restriction of openness can and will be misrepresented as surrender, acquiescence, subjugation. You, us, and this forum can just as easily be painted with misperception due to such restriction. Some will say, “See we made those old angry men shut up”….”Their are just a bunch of angry old men who want to get laid with 20 year old girls after all, and they admit it, that’s why they shut up”.

    Experience is the greatest teacher. Does my experience or my reaction to my experience now deserve less consideration? People become angry or frustrated for a reason. It doesn’t just happen within an internal psychological vacuum.

    Rollo – “This taught me the tactics that are now being used against me and the TRP. Recruit sympathetic tools to poison the well. Make TRP look like bitter angry old men who think they should get laid by 20 something girls.”

    ….Closing a thread on TRM for the first time. – This is what

    What’s wrong with me being a bitter angry old man who is sexually frustrated about how he lived his life due to false promises? I’m I defective or less valid because of my experience and my feelings about it? Should I be ignored? Is my experience meaningless? Should I just quietly shut up and go away so you and others will feel more comfortable? Should my voice be banned or muted so the status quo can be maintained?

    Let the trolls help spread the truth in their own way.

    Please keep it wide open.

  71. @Rollo:

    Note that she didn’t say anything about having a happily married husband, although I’m sure he answers “Yes, dear,” when she asks with her command tone.

    Of course she fears male anger. Anger leads to power.

  72. @M Simon
    “As you point out – our being is a provocation. Leaving them alone will not matter. And your point about leaving them alone is a trap an awful LOT of libertarians fall into.”

    leaving them alone !
    leaving their OIL alone .

    it is never religions , it is how we are gonna get the free oil from the dumb Airabs.

    the saudis are now planning for the time when oil would runs out .Top saudi strategists are planning on how to protect CAMELS when the world becomes desert .

    ps
    feminists would come handy to help tell the world how airabs treat their Camel not as equals .

  73. M Simon:

    We didn’t really get into that mess recently. The mess is old ad always revolving. In any crisis it needs a new “solution” to keep going which in turn will help create the next crisis and so on. It’s the driving force for economical and technological development.
    There is no “always and for every circumstance right” solution, there are only solutions to steer in the right direction in the current crisis. the 2008 crisis came from to much private (banks, corporations & consumers) debt and it was a big crisis. The way to counter was to help them cover their losses from having too much debt. Which happened both from government spending (that $800 billion was very good, Europe didn’t have something like this in most parts and is therefor still way deeper in crisis) and the FED lowering rates directly or via QE. Lowering rates is pretty much handing rich people more money, because it increases the current value of any assets. These tools cover the monetary/debt side of any downturn.

    That doesn’t mean the whole situation is good, no. The low rates are a valuable symptom there is still too much debt vs. too low consumer income. That needs fixing and no one knows currently how to do it right.

    But in the end capitalism is a show run by government. And they will (after trying a lot of wrongs) finally do what is necessary to save them.

    The true dangers come from other things, like social unrest, war, or even changes in peoples behaviors. I wonder what will happen once more men realize game >>> money.

  74. “Note that she didn’t say anything about having a happily married husband, although I’m sure he answers “Yes, dear,” when she asks with her command tone. Of course she fears male anger. Anger leads to power.”

    Near as I can tell, he looks rather happy. And no, I do not “command tone” him, not ever, nor do I fear his power. In fact, it’s quite delightful.

    Don’t shut your thread down, Tomassi. If my comments really bother you, (“you,” not your idiotic commentators), I’ll post elsewhere. I have no desire to upset you.

  75. “….Closing a thread on TRM for the first time. – This is what they want.”

    Roger that. Besides, chasing them off even only temporarily, is as informative and entertaining as anything else. (Thanks again Seraph!)

    MSimon, Glenn,

    I’ve been reading (and living through) a lot of what you suggest about the unraveling of the economic system. Many here are barely holding onto the shell of a middle-class existence that is eroding quickly, yet most have a normalcy-bias against discussing what to do in response.Discussing sports, etc. instead. I guess the main question I have is about the timing. Why September 2015? As lh points out there are many tools yet in the box to prop it up a good long while.

    @Rollo

    Sorry to distract from the primary topic of the post and site, but the FI drives so much of the deterioration of the economy as MSimon and Glenn ably point out. Thanks for all the help you and the commenters have been to me, a humble lurker…. I’m about halfway through your archives.

  76. Longgone
    May 30th, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    Why September 2015?

    It has nothing to do with fundamentals. It has to do with signals. The US market is currently in decline. Not all indicators have turned south. Many have. The rest of the world has already gone south.

    I expect confidence to be lost (lh are you listening?) Around Sept of 2015. A LOT of prognosticators are also predicting that. Mostly ignored. Everything is fine – so far.

    Mr T
    May 30th, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    The world is awash in oil and will be for the next 20 to 50 years. Fracking is barely started world wide.

    Read the articles linked here to find out how much trouble the Saudis and the rest of the ME is in. It is considerable. It takes $70 to $80 a bbl to run the Saudi economy. It will be $50 to $60 for at least 20 years. Think of Venezuela as a harbinger. Iran is in worse shape.

    http://classicalvalues.com/2015/05/the-oil-wars/

  77. @insanitybytes22

    “I suspect you do talk, Tomassi. What I doubt you do is to actually listen.”

    Insanity – You should have known from the beginning that Tomassi will never parrot the script you prefer. When will you give it up? Over and over and over and over and over and over you attempt to impose your ideas here with no success. This is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and over, but expecting different results. The name you chose for yourself here is very appropriate. Give it up, you are wasting your energy, your quest is hopeless here because the truth is known here. Tomassi and all who know the same as he will never accept your ideals and parrot the script you so compulsively wish they will. Its just never going to happen, reality and experience has taught them otherwise.

  78. @ M. Simon

    All bets are off if the clowns in DC stumble into in big war over something stupid like a war in the South China Sea. I’d even guess some those same clowns see such an event as way to delay the economic chickens coming home to roost.

  79. I listen. September 2015 is elections in Spain, where currently a (economically) left movement like in Greece is strengthening. It may be a turning point in the Euro-Crisis, which still plays a big part in holding the world economy down. But while there may be some way down for the markets, I actually think the stupid German government (run by a women, no wonder) will give in and help facilitate a working solution for Europe and then the world economy could actually grow for a while. I don’t know, prognosis is difficult, especially when about the future…

  80. “Give it up, you are wasting your energy, your quest is hopeless here because the truth is known here. Tomassi and all who know the same as he will never accept your ideals and parrot the script you so compulsively wish they will.”

    Since you have no idea what my quest is, what my ideals are, and I haven’t presented you with any script, you are obviously projecting and FOS.

  81. lh
    May 30th, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    Crony capitalism is a show run by government. Truer capitalism is a show run by individuals – “I want to try something”.

    If you are not aware of “Narco Dollars For Dummies” by Catherine Austin Fitts you ought to look it up. It explains how the cronies get greased. And the cronies these days are the banks.

    We are starting to get tools that can bypass crony capitalism. That will accelerate.

    I agree that capitalism (the desire for profit) will find a way. It will not be a government solution. The government is out of tools. Mathematically. And Americans are getting tired of enforcers.

    All this will come to a head in the next 1 to 5 years. It is already reaching critical mass re: Prohibition. Even the Prog-Marxists want to reduce government power there. It will generalize.


  82. “I talk to a happily married woman every day. She doesn’t read like this”
    I suspect you do talk, Tomassi. What I doubt you do is to actually listen.

    Well Rollo himself did not say that, you just assumed it and are advertising it here.

    “Don’t shut your thread down, Tomassi. If my comments really bother you, (“you,” not your idiotic commentators), I’ll post elsewhere. I have no desire to upset you
    Woah, what an offer of sacrifice!! From a female!!

    Look at her she is a textbook definition of a female.
    1. Because Rollo(perceptibly) is high MMV and high SMV, she is supporting Rollo unwarrantedly. Rollo who DHVs , has a superior frame of mind and does not need/ neither asked support of insanity.
    I have no desire to upset you
    Rollo is already making your pussy wet. and Glenn and his pain does not matter, right!!

    2. On other hand, Glenn who is just blowing of some steam here, instead of trying understand leaving him alone, female commentators are falling over each other to kick him when he is down. Infact, you are indeed the one who is adding fuel to fire.

    Giving all the love to top dog while kicking a wounded dog.
    You females are just like banks who offer loans and credit cards to those who do not need it and refuse to those who need it.

    Thats what different about us men , we are sympathetic to men who are grieving and do not attempt to nag them to death like you do.
    Once the anger subsides, Glenn will come around.
    But you will stay the same nagging attention seeker that you are.

    You barging in here is like going to Alcoholics Anonymous and shaming the attendees about their predicament.

  83. lh,

    In my opinion, your opinion “they will find a way” is a guarantee of a crash. There is quite a bit of misplaced faith. With the decline of signals that will be erased. “Dang – they DIDN’T find a way.” Sell.

  84. “I knew you were a Catholic! Why don’t you talk to a priest? Seriously–the doors of the Church are always open.”
    And what would the church do? All churches are under thumb of govt. or IYyarEs and the EYPHBeeeeeAyeeee are sent like warhounds against them.
    Tax the to death or send in the agent provocateurs.
    Churches are dens of vices of govt. propaganda and Feminine Imperative.

    All that the priest would do is hamsterbate and try to make Glenn feel something is wrong with him rather than something is wrong with the society itself.
    And you would definitely like a confessions of Glenn be private soo that other men do not get to hear his story and learn from it.

    So what Charlotte means to say is,
    “Glenn do not spout your shit here publicly, just confess in private to the priest and die you miserable dog”

    Or better why not go to a shrink, he will definitely medicate Glenn to death.

  85. The Catholics can’t protect the virtue of their alter boys, why should we presume they can save our souls?

  86. @Glenn

    Stock market, bonds, real estate and now the final one, the govt debt bubble (really just a subset of bonds)

    I would include a massive bubble in education in there. Just take a look at the skyrocketing levels of student debt and the insane increase in the price of college vs. wage growth over the past 20 years. There’s no sane universe in which that level of debt is a good investment, yet we just keep piling it on kids that don’t know any better.

    It really is criminal, in my opinion.


  87. lh,
    In my opinion, your opinion “they will find a way” is a guarantee of a crash. There is quite a bit of misplaced faith. With the decline of signals that will be erased. “Dang – they DIDN’T find a way.” Sell.

    Just adding my 2 bit to this.
    A successful society runs on Value creation.Value creation leads to higher standard of living not value extraction. Somebody has to create products or services of Value for others to consume.
    The tertiary industry like banking , law and Govt. (all useless) try to be the useless middle man extracting(thieving) value out of Value creators.
    The unfortunate fact of life is that most men can thieve a lot more value than create it.(Females do not care if you thieve value or extract it you just need to being more and more dough home).
    Hence Wall street and the big money today succeeds far more than those who work hard and create value.
    Because over time the laws have been titled in the favor of value extractors. Also most value creators are ignorant of the theft.

    Frédéric Bastiat
    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
    Economic sophisms, 2nd series (1848), ch. 1

    Now those who are value creators have to think Long Term
    while value extrators(thieves) think short term.

    They have a mercantile attitude. They will offer their own mothers and daughters as well as their own ar*e for short-term gains.

    Just look at muslims of middle east. The world had 3 primary markets China, India and Europe. Middle East was more or less only a conduit. The conquest of Constantinople was to ensure that all pathways of trade flows through them. All the muslims wanted to do and did was sit in the middle taxing everything that passed through them.

    The moment Vasco da gama found a way around Cape of Good Hope, it was end for the value extractors(theives) muslims of middle east. Their economy collapsed when the trade bypassed them and they were never as powerful again.

    “They will find a way” is a short term thinking which has percolated in to general populace including you. Your govt has DHVed on you and all you think about is they have been taking care of me till now, so it will continue.

    Your drug dealer alpha boyfriend like govt. will just run away when the wall of debt hits the fan leaving you to bear the consequences.
    I can say the building is fragile , the risk of high but I cannot predict when the building will fall. And all your govt. does is remind you because it has never fallen till now, it is unlikely to fall now.
    Just because your govt DHVs you does not mean everything is right.

    One more phenomena I have observed is US is now getting loaded more and more with managerial jobs or jobs in upper echelon while the below managerial jobs have gone to China and India. That is where most work, that is where most supply chain is today, so that is where future innovation will happen.
    But the lion share of profits reaches US.

    Though West today has highly skilled workers(including white collars) , but the youth(those who just finished college) is jobless(relatively).
    On an economic collapse, the west will be starved of capital, capacity and capable people to work in highly profitable industries.
    Without being on jobs or any experience there is no way west can rise from an economic apocalypse because now it neither has the industrial capacity nor its jobless/experience-less youth are capable of running the Hi-Tech industries that are in West right now.

    For the sake of Profits today, right now and Feminine Imperative the future(kids) itself has been destroyed.
    You have no experienced skilled workforce in your pipeline for 20 years from now to sustain your economies.
    If economy collapse those imported Chinese, Indians(East) and Mexicans are definitely not going to stay to face hardships.

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