Domain Dependence

domain_dependence

I received the following email from a reader this week:

Hi Rollo, I ran across the below thread on the TRP discussion on Reddit. I’m not normally a big follower of reddit but this one was good and is something that I’ve thought for a long time. Online Dating really, really, really sucks for men. And turns women into bitches. And has changed the world from an 80/20 market to a 95/5 market. The average male and actually for most above average males too … like SMV 6s and 7s have been completely shut out. And learning Game does little good for these men.

Was wondering if you’d care to discuss such things.

One of the founding Red Pill principles I explored over a decade ago was the tendency for men (and women) to create Buffers against rejection for themselves. I’ll still argue that men being the ‘initiator’ sex are subject to the consequences of rejection far more than women ever will be, but left unchecked, and if we’re honest, deliberately ignored, these rejection Buffers often develop into psychological schemas men internalize as a specific “preference” when it comes to interacting with with women:

Buffers are generally the paths of least rejection that become ego-invested “preferences.” Buffers aren’t so much about those “preferences” as they are about the motivations behind them.

At this point you might be thinking, “well, what the hell, I don’t want to feel rejection, why not employ buffers against it?” The main reason for embracing rejection is that rejection is better than regret. Scan back through this short list of buffers; how many of these have become greater, longer term problems for you than a briefly painful rejection would’ve been? Buffers also have a tendency to compound upon themselves in that one tends to dovetail into another, or more, until you no longer realize that they were originally rejection prevention methodologies and gradually become associated with your genuine personality. After a long enough period, these buffer become “just how I am.”

In the past Roosh has gone into some speculation that there will be a narrowing of the already harsh 80-20 rule of the SMP the closer western society gets to a total consolidation of feminine social primacy. Certain bloggers will debate the numbers, but I tend to agree with his proposition, though I’d say that a starting point of 80-20 might be a bit generous. However, considering the comfort with which women and popular culture are embracing open Hypergamy, I think I would actually step up his timetable for ‘Peak Hypergamy’.

For now, men are being presented with some very simple and pragmatic choices:

  • Learn Game, stay in the Game. Make the most of what they have to work with in their given circumstances and focus on self-motivated self-improvement. In a sense it’s a form of MGTOW, but with the expressed purpose of actively engaging in the SMP as it’s accessible to an individual guy. In other words, don’t wish it were easier, wish you were better – play the game better but always with yourself as your own mental point of origin.
  • Exit the Game. No one truly exits the Game, but they can minimize their active involvement in it. For the most part this doesn’t have to be a complete capitulation to one’s sexless, intimacy-less fate, but it does imply a degree of self-imposed indifference to women’s interest. Unfortunately this option seems the most pragmatic for men who either haven’t the patience or circumstance to opt for improving themselves and succeed at the Game, or they simply don’t see a commensurate reward for the investment they’d need to make in assuming the liabilities that come with dealing with most women these days.
  • Continue on in a Blue Pill ignorance. Although this ‘choice’ is the most common (i.e. at least 80% of Beta men) it will be the one to disappear the most rapidly. Even without a growing Red Pill community, Red Pill awareness is becoming more difficult for even the most plugged-in of men to ignore. Women’s flaunting of Open Hypergamy and blatant admission to a sexual strategy of Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks combined with a widespread Red Pill awareness will challenge even the most ardent of White Knight’s and idealistic ‘average frustrated chumps’. Still, there are diehard self-righteous Betas who’s dedication to the path that the Feminine Imperative has set before them has made any deviation from it unthinkable. They build a life of dependency on the untenable Blue Pill goals and the means to realize them.

The problem inherent to all of these options is that to a lesser or greater degree they rely on a static state of a particular environment, condition or domain.

Domain Dependency

Just for the record, yes, I’m quite familiar with the anti-fragile doctrine proposed by Taleb with regard to domain dependency. I do see a parallels in this with regard to Red Pill awareness, but this is in no way an endorsement of the book – I simply don’t have enough familiarity with it.

For Red Pill purposes though, Domain Dependence is being good at what you do in one setting, but completely unable to transfer that ability to another setting. I think this dependence is one of the more overstated preoccupations Game critics have in really accepting the validity of greater Red Pill truths.

A cheetah is a deadly and effective predator when he can use his speed to run down prey on the wide-open African plains, but put him in the Brazilian rainforest, with its dense jungle, and he’s probably going to sleep hungry more nights than not.

Translated into predictable Red Pill critique, the idea is similar – “Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks, but I’m looking for a Quality Woman.” What’s implied isn’t necessarily incorrect; the most ridiculed, stereotypical examples of Game came from the trials and errors of early PUAs making observations and applying what they’d learned in a contextual domain – night clubs, bars, etc. While those observations were, and still are, invaluable information to a greater meta-understanding of Red Pill awareness, for the most part those early successes were dependent on that specific (club style) domain.

Game has branched out from that beginning to be applied in broader domains. Thus we have specific areas of application dependency based on what can produce at least somewhat replicable results in those settings. Nick Krauser writes the book on day Game, Roosh the book on South America and Northern & Eastern Europe, while other authors ply their trade writing about Game in marriage or under the auspices of religion(s).

And while I have a great deal of respect for the most of them, a creative mind doesn’t work like this. The creative mind has the ability to migrate from one realm to another without even thinking about it. It’s what allows us to connect this dot with that dot. There is a certain applied reasoning and science behind a Red Pill awareness, but it’s important to remember what the ‘A’ in PUA stands for – Artistry.

Crossing Domains

I’ve known a number of guys in my time who swear that there’s nothing hotter than a woman 15 – 20 years their senior. Others love to explain to me how behind the times I am by pointing out the inherent dangers and liabilities of dating single mothers (for anything more than a one time bang). Still others tell me how enthusiastic a lay the obese women they regularly bang are. All of these guys express a preference for the type of women they can reliably get into bed with and will staunchly defend and praise their preferred type of woman.

Their domain dependency became their internalized, ego-invested preference.

I’ve touched on this dynamic in a few of my earliest posts, but I think it’s important to realize that domain dependency isn’t just about the type of woman you’ve developed a preference for, but rather how you’re predictably rewarded (in this case with sex) within that particular domain. You can semi-reliably do well with Goth girls, fat girls, older women, single moms? It’s important to understand the specifics and motivations of the women within that domain. You went on a sex safari in Southeast Asia or the Philippines, yet get flaked on by every western girl you approach? There are (obviously) specifics that influence those domains.

After all of this, the Red Pill is universally applicable, or it’s not. The same fundamental Red Pill dynamics, operating within the context of a specific domain, are applicable with the correct art necessary for that domain.

Red Pill truths are domain independent. Hypergamy is the same to a girl in Brazil as it is to a girl in Vegas. The domain changes, and with it the necessary art based on a woman’s incentives and the priorities for that given domain, but the underlying purpose and requisites of Hypergamy is unchanged. Yes, cultural, religious and familial limitations of that Hypergamy may apply within that domain, but root level Red Pill truth is still the prime directive for women.

Within a man’s lifetime he will have no choice but to cross into, and adapt to unfamiliar domains many times. These domains are not just locales or social settings, but the specifics of a particular stage of a woman’s life as well as his own life. Marriage is a domain. Single man sex life plate spinning is a domain. Online dating, a dependency on impersonal texting, really any of the Buffers I’ve elaborated on in the past are all examples of a domain men develop a dependency on, and later a rewarded preference for.

While it’s vitally important for a man to have a solid grasp of the elements of his own, temporal, domain it’s equally important to understand how and why he came into it. What rewards did he receive or hope to receive that led to his developed “preferences”? Were those preferences dependent upon a Blue Pill condition for reward?

This is key in avoiding domain specific dependency. That’s a pretty tall order for most men, and actually it’s one of the prime reasons most Blue Pill men never come to Red Pill truths. The Blue Pill is itself a meta-domain that men are largely conditioned to be dependent upon. Coming to Red Pill truths requires the self-realization of a domain dependency on Blue Pill idealisms, their promised rewards and then letting them go.

It’s important for a man to develop a fluidity of transitioning from domain to domain. Red Pill awareness prepares him for fundaments that will be applicable in all domains, but accepting that those domains exist and influence (sometimes adversely) his ‘preferences’ is the first step in developing the art necessary to excel in a new domain.

Isolation is dangerous. The presumption that conditions will never change and / or the preoccupation with security is a woman’s realm. Men must accept that they must adapt themselves to adequately perform in changing domains.

0 0 votes
Article Rating

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

Speak your mind

244 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
M Simon
7 years ago

Hedda
December 23rd, 2014 at 10:43 pm

For long term mating the IQ difference is no more than 20 points ( a little over one standard deviation) and the man’s should be higher.

Your available pool is slim. And all the other girls want him too. And they put out. Just to collect his juice if nothing else.

xsplat
7 years ago

A few comments with links and images about a study done using data from China about how women orgasm more for wealthier men. It would be interesting to know if this is a cross cultural phenomena. From the study: Thornhill et al. (1995) found that young women reported copulatory orgasm more frequently if their partners were more symmetrical. Shackelford et al. (2000) found that women paired with more attractive males were more likely to report orgasm at their last intercourse than women paired with less attractive males. These studies are interesting but rely on modest samples (n=86 and 388) of… Read more »

bo jangles
bo jangles
7 years ago

You talk about Brazil and Hypergamy and I get the sense you’ve never traveled outside of the US.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Re Game and domains

Frame is domain-independent. Confidence is domain-independent. Sales techniques and DHVs are domain-dependent.

xsplat
7 years ago

Rollo, I’d appreciate it you would answer my two questions before. And I’m not understanding your replies to my comments lately. I refute your claim that mate guarding is a beta behavior, and you come back at me with something like – oh, because you refute it it’s really just a sign that you are a beta. And because you are in SEA it means the behaviors that SEEM to be towards a high value man are not any sign of that at all, and are in fact all faked and negotiated. And here you go again. A huge study,… Read more »

Will
Will
7 years ago

@freshman

Hope you read this.

I had the same problems as you. But TRUST ME the girls get easier as you transition to an upperclassman. Just don’t be a pussy like some guys and not hit on freshman when your a senior. You will have plenty of freshman lol just wait I promise.

Also, learn how to drink and have fun….just saying

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

A new study showed that in the Amsterdam red light district women had more orgasm when the client paid an extra 40 euro.

In another study in ISIS Islamic land showed Muslim women orgasmed with a suicide bomber (before he leaves for his mission and the for sure 70 orgasmic virgin).
Ps,
Sorry I don’t have the link yet.

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

@Rollo.

A friend of mine who is LOADED and his wife gets whatever she asks.

He had an affair with a younger woman,he spent lots of lots of money on her. One day his dick started discharging yellow stuff ! .yes she gave him STD.

He couldn’t understand why this younger woman cheated in him despite all the money he gave her.
Any more proof for AF/BB.

Annoyed Leaving
Annoyed Leaving
7 years ago

Rollo, you have lost control. Hedda has taken over the comments with a woman’s typical attention whoring (“Let’s talk about me me me!”) And of course your beta readers: “Wow, boobs, let’s listen to her and respond and engage in a dialogue and share our feelings about Christianity.”

Hedda
Hedda
7 years ago

Rollo should do a post called, “MY PENIS IS HYPERGAMY!”

I would orgasm to that all over the place.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Hedda, re: “It’s so much work.”

“My yoke is easy”, Someone said. It’s actually harder work to be effectively bad, but it definitely can be effective.

re: “What’s a top alpha?”

Intelligent men get less women and less sex per women. Unfortunately.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@xsplat re: women’s orgasms.

Women orgasm much stronger from caring loving ltr beta men. Betas service females; it’s what makes us betas.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

Women fake orgasm much more when they believe their partner to have been recently promiscuous.

Badpainter
7 years ago

Rollo – “Here in Nevada “sex workers” report orgasming more for an extra $50”

If true that means Alpha status can be rented by the hour. Or purchased on a long term recurring fee basis ala xsplat’s contention.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: women self-reporting.

Every relevant study concludes that the older the woman the better the orgasms. No man believes the women’s self-reporting, and the men are correct.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: show me the money.

It turns out the woman merely has to be led to believe that he’s rich in order for her to orgasm more *easily* (not harder, btw). Secretly rich counts.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

It’s not true now, and never has been true, that women compete for the most intelligent men. The opposite is true.

Mr T.
Mr T.
7 years ago

One last thought
Imagine a world where money is useless and everyone is free to choose, who would you think women would pick?

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “I’m probably too gullible.”

It’s part of your curse of being an intelligent woman, btw. Easily led astray, carried about by every wind … It’s one reason women should strive, really exert themselves, to put themselves under the thumb of a good man.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Hedda, re: “Well, great. They’re all mine.”

Yes, pretty much. Other women will not bother to compete with you for them unless you try to come across as slutty.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: homeschooled. I have to admonish you, remind you, that simple is better e.g. 2 Cor 11:3. It … alarmed me when I first started gaming women, how easy it is to convince a woman to conspire to complicate things. How *thirsty* women were for turbulence, for the purported Chinese curse of “interesting times”. I already knew well how good women are at navigating the layers of relationships viz “he said she said David felt Mary thought Johnny could have told Marty earlier and …”; it took some trials on my part to learn how to turn that strength of… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: Lively. Good choice. For some reason every main woman in my life has been exactly 5’4″: mother, sisters, wives, daughters, among others, but I’ve always imagined I’d prefer a woman who is as tall as me (or taller). I’m more into voices, though, so a lesbian crush for me would be more like kd lang.

xsplat
7 years ago

Rollo, your attitude is the very definition of confirmation bias. Now you explicitly stated that you will disregard all scientific studies that go against your premise.

xsplat
7 years ago

You have an unfalsifiable world view.

What a waste of a good mind, and a large audience.

Another man gone astray, by love of his pet ideas.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Rollo
I know you don’t like to moderate out opposing views, and I agree with that. However, I don’t think anyone on the planet would fault you for moderating histrionic trolls.

I mean I totally get if you think it would be too much work (moderating anything is always extra work) , but it’s shitting up the quality of dialogue badly. Like this is an obvious (and fucking annoying) degredation of s/n ratio.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
7 years ago

No moderation, please. A textbook example of rapid fire shit-tests going on in this thread. And some of you are actually qualifying to them.

Which presents an excellent opportunity. Can’t kill your beta unless you flip on the kitchen halogens and watch it skittering across the linoleum.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
7 years ago

I don’t always agree completely with Rollo, but I will confidently posit that this forum is one of the favored destinations where the Purple Pill goes to die.

sfcton
7 years ago

LOL @ women’s orgasms

M Simon
7 years ago

jf12
December 24th, 2014 at 1:31 am

Re: high IQ and low N.

Every man is different. And it is possible to beat the averages.

M Simon
7 years ago

xsplat
December 24th, 2014 at 2:49 am

I think Rollo has a point about Self Reported.

M Simon
7 years ago

jf12
December 24th, 2014 at 1:42 am

It’s not true now, and never has been true, that women compete for the most intelligent men. The opposite is true.

It may not be true on average. But I have seen it. Very helpful if the man is also a “BAD boy”. But that is a rare combination. High IQ bad boy.

TAnon
TAnon
7 years ago

@Retrenched

“The sexual revolution benefited women and a few men at the expense of most men. But there are trade offs in everything. The average young man isn’t getting laid as much as his grandfather did 50 years ago, but he also has less responsibility and more freedom than his grandfather ever had.”

You seem to be seeing things through a frame where the maximum freedom with minimum responsability is presented as more desirable than anything else in life. And I can’t help but wonder how much of this percieved extra freedom is caused mainly by technological progress.

John Dark
John Dark
7 years ago

I am British and have been actively improving myself and gaming women for the last five years. I find that when I am in a well-integrated emotional state I can approach any women and the rejection mostly bounces off me. Hell, I was in Mayfair last year, (the richest, swankiest part of London) and I made a cold approach on a Russian model (Blonde 20 yr old, definite 10). She rejected me flat, a rejection so cold it actually made me (and her friend) laugh. However a few weeks later I scored with two beautiful sisters half my age. I… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

@ Rollo – My vote? Don’t block the trolls. She’s perfectly demonstrating what you stated in the comments on your last post. Christianity is no relief from the FI or women and their nonsense. What I find most amusing about her is that she doesn’t get how awfully she comes across. She could be an HB10 and prancing around in lingerie, but once she opens her mouth and that truckload of nasty-crazy falls out, yeah, I’d rather jack off. Hell, I’d rather rub my balls across a cheese grater than listen to her shit. Nassim Taleb – Fyi, I have… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
7 years ago

@freshman Ive read every article on this site but a valid point regarding pure af desire in women compared to the bb attraction. Im just saying theres too much of a gap in college, afterwards though I believe even the gap between af/bb gets smaller and thats when game comes into play much more. @Annoyed Leaving Agreed, I know moderating the comments section is probably a hassle but I only see one female craving attention on here so it shouldnt be too hard just to ban her. Theres enough shit tests and trolling outside of this site, dont need it… Read more »

teddj4g
7 years ago

Xsplat – ok, so your study shows women orgasm more for rich men. How does that disprove AF/BB? Those guys might be rich because they are alpha as fuck! Or, perhaps the added comfort of money allows women to relax more in the sack… At any rate, I don’t see how it disproves AF/BB, it simply shows that there are some overlaps from Alpha to Beta behavior. But that’s nothing new, and in fact depending on your current domain, the same behavior could be seen as either alpha or beta behavior. And, from woman to woman what is viewed as… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

In applying Anti-Fragility to men’s thinking, organizing and behaviors I think we should consider this in from two POVs, as follows: 1. Individual behavior – Blue Pill thinking is not dynamic nor adaptive. It has fixed ideas about how men and women “should be”. It resists the new information that reality is throwing at us. So, the question is, what kind of mindset/POV would make us anti-fragile? First, let’s look at a couple that are fragile. Religious – Tradcons are finding their immutable ideas are being left behind. In way, the only thing less anti-fragile than Blue Pill thinking is… Read more »

sfcton
7 years ago

how to project charisma online? My old profile said Mid-level henchman in the direct action department of an international organization bent on world domination for fun and profit looking for henchwoman and partner in crime……. Must enjoy overly complicated plans for world conquest, pointless monologues allowing the hero time to save the day and maniacal laughs. Ideal 1st date? Armored car heist, afterward we ride off into the sunset on my motorcycle to start a new life drinking margaritas on the beaches of Mexico. then come the photos: overhead pressing 325, 300 pound atlas stone on my shoulder, me on… Read more »

Wolf
7 years ago

A man must be master of his dominion. When you bring a woman into your world, make certain she knows precisely where Your World starts and Everything Else ends.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

John Dark mentioned “The more you approach, the less risky it feels.” That’s true. Also, being turned down for the twentieth time hurts less than the previous nineteen times. But, I think, in some way one should try to avoid concentrating on getting good at being turned down. If you know what I mean.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Hedda re: daughters. My youngest granddaughter got her driver’s license; the first female in my blood family, including my mother, that I didn’t personally teach.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Ton re: heist Game.

So, do you think that outré lawbreaking is a more arousing persona than more ordinary badness, or is it the conspiracy factor? Involvement in a strong-arm smash and grab, getting $37.32 from the register and a couple of Cherry 7ups for you and your henchwoman, is probably as arousing as anything for most women who would be up to it, but probably only if you took her into your confidences and made her want to be part of it.

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

The connection between this article and the original e-mail somewhat escapes me. Not that I’m bashing your writing or the important thoughts presented, Rollo.

Nathan
Nathan
7 years ago

Guys,
Looks are fucking 90%
Not 100%, but not less than 90.

Throughfare
Throughfare
7 years ago

@Rollo . . .
> Goth Girls

Oh no! Don’t get me started on goths

A nicely tatted girl with tubes in her earlobes and black lipstick . . . instant boner!!!

I don’t even care what the brain reward system was that got me going on these girls, I just enjoy the ride

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: men liking polygyny and beauty. I must admit I don’t have any experience in having sex with a woman to whom I’m not attracted. But most women are certainly attractive enough physically to me; more definitely if *sex* were the only concern then my harem would overflow with ordinary women and even unattractive women. The more the merrier. It’s not like I’m using up my semen; I’ll make more. It is the provisioning that is the actual concern, that drives the preference for beauty. If you’re going to invest your hard-earned bananas in some one girl, you may as… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@jf12

But, I think, in some way one should try to avoid concentrating on getting good at being turned down. If you know what I mean.

I think though, that if you’re not trying to arouse some kind of response, you’re just not trying. A catastrophic rejection still succeeds in getting a response, and an animated response at that. To be ignored is the greatest insult.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “All of these guys express a preference for the type of women they can reliably get into bed with and will staunchly defend and praise their preferred type of woman.”

Love the one you’re with. I take this opportunity to re-highlight Rollo’s thought: men fetishize their successes as their “type”. It’s a lot more psychologically involved than merely drawing the bullseye around where the bullet went.

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

There’s a better way of saying it… “Rejection is less insulting than being ignored.”

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Jeremy re: catastrophic rejection vs ignored.

For me the two go hand-in-hand anyway; I get ignored after being catastrophically rejected. I don’t like either one, but you’re right that I always prefer some response to playing dead. An example played out on the ‘sphere a few months ago, involving me and, er, some one. I truly don’t know if she’s now posting somewhere I can’t comment on because I don’t know of it, or what. Suffice to say, for her if she ever reads this, please don’t put all your messages in one antique desk.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ jf12

getting $37.32 from the register and a couple of Cherry 7ups for you and your henchwoman

Don’t forget the honey-roasted peanuts and nachos. And snowballs. lol

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ Ton Great dark fantasy. Reminds me of a simple one I did recently. “Let’s sneak out to drink beer in my truck like we used to do back in high school.” She left her cell and purse unattended at a table in the bar to sneak out with me, lol. 25 yo HB8. Kind of crazy, though, heh. She has a powerlifter bf, but he’s a chump and she’s tiring of him. Other stuff followed from the fantasy. This woman’s the one who gave me a leg-hug one night in front of my social circle. She wanted a hug… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
7 years ago

@jf12

For me the two go hand-in-hand anyway; I get ignored after being catastrophically rejected.

It takes emotion and effort to catastrophically reject a man. Even if she’s being cold to you after, the effects of her rejection to her are not zero. It’s still a net positive in terms of arousal, if she ignores you entirely from the beginning, that’s much worse.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ Ton, jf12 Would the following ad be bad enough for online? “Vampish seductress wanted to assist in seducing and sacrificing beautiful virgins on my devil altar as Wagner thunders in the air and our veins are filled with ecstasy. Whips will be provided. Will include riding on the back of my bike down gravel country roads. If you have tats, piercings, and like leather, you’re my henchwoman.” Photos of a man with tats, piercings, and leather on a Harley could be done. Also photos of a devil altar and of books of dark magic could be posted. Maybe hire… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago

Rejection is necessary to become skilled. You can’t “learn” by reading books, you can only learn by practicing what you read in books. The experience of being rejected contains critical information that one can use to revise and improve one’s approach. As well, the sting of loss is a good motivator to improve. The embarrassment and the shame are worth avoiding, and motivate you to do better. As well, you won’t appreciate when you are good at if you never sucked at it. @ Freshman – Your time of peak horniness is corresponding with a fairly low SMV, so I… Read more »

Ben
Ben
7 years ago

I think the Catholics are using the manosphere to promote their religion the way the Mormons do: “Hey, I just found this book of Mormon. What do you think it means?” It’s a sneaky Evangelism tactic.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Freshman re: “nature hates to be fooled” + “If I could go back to when I first graduated High School”

Women, in contrast, love to be fooled. While it is true you will never be born alpha, you can “go back” to highschool and fish in that smaller pond for a bit. Fool those younger girls into thinking you are some college guy who’s had some sex with some more experienced girls and has some independence and some of his own money from working some jobs … oh wait, no fooling needed.

Retrenched
Retrenched
7 years ago

@ TAnon

Not necessarily that this freedom is the most desirable thing, per se; rather, it’s the biggest positive (for men) of living in an environment where sex and love are hard to find for most men. And it’s not a small thing, really, for men to have been freed of the burdens of the traditional patriarchy. It can be said that feminism freed men far more than it freed women, overall.

Of course, the benefits of patriarchy for men (families and children, a steady supply of sex from a loving wife) are gone as well, so…

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@tasdg, re: online badness. I suppose your suggested profile is bad enough, but something’s off; it’s like it’s merely the appearance of evil. I’m the wrong person to ask, I guess, but I’ll say it anyway. I know Upscale Badness is probably the single most effective approach, particularly for someone like … (looking around) some of us. I could name names. An upscale badness profile probably wouldn’t be so blatant and may include code words for certain activities. This can include high class pimping, laundering securities, moving freight trains of off-book medications, etc. Besides the glitz and glamour, there is… Read more »

M Simon
7 years ago

theasdgamer
December 24th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

Aleister Crowley books. Esp. “Magick In Theory and Practice” which is an aphrodisiac in some circles.

Retrenched
Retrenched
7 years ago

@jf12

re: “All of these guys express a preference for the type of women they can reliably get into bed with and will staunchly defend and praise their preferred type of woman.”

Love the one you’re with. I take this opportunity to re-highlight Rollo’s thought: men fetishize their successes as their “type”. It’s a lot more psychologically involved than merely drawing the bullseye around where the bullet went.

Well, yeah, that’s what the overwhelming majority of men throughout history have done, really.

Badpainter
7 years ago

jf12 – “Women, in contrast, love to be fooled.” True enough, just so long as they aren’t being fooled to believe a beta is an alpha. Everything else can be fake, including her, but the man must be genuine. Otherwise the hypergamy machine might generate erroneous results, and would create a situation where the implemetation of her sexual strategy is called into doubt. Which presents an interesting paradox for the FI currently. Women can be and often are fake. Or what they present is an illusion to bait the best men. The best tactical move for most men is to… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Retrenched re: “he also has less responsibility and more freedom”

Well, yeah, but ONLY in circumscribed domains. If he is some single guy working part-time jobs when he feels like showing up, staying for cash in his mom’s ex-boyfriend’s basement, eating generic store-brand Cheetos while stealing the neighbors’ wifi bandwidth, then yes he has less responsibility: less responsibility to try, to strive, to do anything. But what, precisely, is he free to do other than stay in his little box?

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Badpainter re: “I think it’s interesting the best tactical play (mindset) for men is to wholesale assume the FI’s methods right up to adopting a very harsh opportunistic approach to love, and relationships.”

Yes, but even more interesting is why the vast majority of men do not do it! *Every* relevant comment I’ve ever heard or read by women, including good women, including True Women, wonders why men bother to be so nice. Women believe that if a man isn’t being harsh then there’s something wrong with him.

Badpainter
7 years ago

jf12 – “I think Ton’s Downscale or Dirty Deeds profile could work as well or better, when backed up by the physicality. The emphasis is on the blatant pounding raw experience.” Ton’s profile is brilliant because it’s absolutely true at it’s core as well as smart and well concieved. It’s good storytelling. The only bit of fakery is the spin placed on the description, which I read as an honest bit of introspection. Good storytelling is crucial, both off and online. I like approaching women with minor injuries, like an arm in a cast. I ask ’em if they have… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Retrenched re: “the overwhelming majority of men”

Yes. Most men pair-bond much harder than we are traditionally considered to, and women pair-bond much less (to ltr partners). When in love, what a man may like in other women, out and about, merely reminds him of his mate waiting at home.

M Simon
7 years ago

Chaos theory – Is an outdated concept

Well no. It is very important in mathematics and weather prediction. In fact you have a veiled allusion to “strange attractors” in your comment. It is important to understand when you are doing Navier-Stokes fluid flow simulations and of course in aircraft design and fluid flow problems involving Reynolds Numbers.

Glenn
Glenn
7 years ago
Reply to  M Simon

@ M. Simon – Of course you are correct that Chaos Theory is still valuable – and much more complex than I made it seem. There are other aspects of chaos beyond just sensitivity to changes in initial conditions too. I spoke too generally and simply, but was attempting to recreate what a couple of brilliant scientists explained to me. Apparently chaos breaks down on the quantum level but mathematical models and analytic techniques like Poincare Maps are still used to good effect in fields like meteorology, fluid dynamics, engineering etc. The only reason I even mention it is that… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “an honest bit of introspection”

The big reason I never joined is because I knew I could never take stupid orders willingly. That, and the whole “essential industry” thing.

Badpainter
7 years ago

jf12 – “Women believe that if a man isn’t being harsh then there’s something wrong with him.”

They should careful what they wish for. I am a nice guy, it’s who I am at my core. I realize this is a serious defect. When necessary I can be something else. I have two settings; nice guy , and the asshole. The asshole gets better results but I hate him and everyone that responds well to him. The asshole has no love, or appreciation, or gratitude for anyone else only a perfect indifference.

sfcton
7 years ago

JF12, I think it worked because #1 there are no other dudes with profiles like mine #2 it’s good for a laugh. Then you show off through the photos, all of mine back the ability/ capacity to rob an armored car, demonstrate how I excel in areas of traditional masculinity and lead credence to the bad boy vibe. BP wins the prize for picking up on the bit of introspection. Not something I am much into, but it is a humorous and accurate description of what I do/ who I worked for, but I think you over state how an… Read more »

sfcton
7 years ago

ps story telling is an important skill and one I think Southron country boys have an edge on.

Badpainter
7 years ago

SfcTon – “but I think you over state how an asshole has no love etc and only a perfect indifference.”

I should have made it clear I only speak for and about myself in that instance. How that might apply to others I have no idea.

Badpainter
7 years ago

truingstar – ” What do you people want me to do?”

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: beta orbiting other pages.

In one way I’m kind of glad I was forced to retreat here. My natural inclination is to mix it up wherever I go.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@bp Being in control doesn’t mean being an asshole. You will be CALLED an asshole, you will make people cry, but in the end they will grow to love you for it. I had a plate try to shit test hard last night, tried to quiz me about other women, asking how I would treat a woman that I found more attractive than her. I gave my initial response with amused mastery “When I meet a woman like that, I’ll let you ask her about how I treat her.” She decided to push the issue and insisted on a serious… Read more »

Badpainter
7 years ago

Truigstar – “you just hate….”

I hate that you keep talking yet don’t say anything of interesting or of value, or even anything entertaining.

In fact I’ll ask a question that’s been raised here before with apologies to jf12.

What exactly do you think you’re for?

Badpainter
7 years ago

Sun Wukong – ” but in the end they will grow to love you for it.”

Agree, but I am indifferent to that love. I don’t need it or want it. It has no value to me.

Badpainter
7 years ago

@ Sun Wukong

I should explain that the asshole only comes out when my authority is challenged. If it happens more than once I’m done. I haven’t the desire, time or patience to deal with trivial bullshit. It’s unrewarding, insults my dignity and intelligence, and is a clear sign I chose poorly.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
7 years ago

@Sun Wukong

Great explanation of what it means to be the adult in a relationship. In my experience, almost all children (and a very large percentage of women) will be utterly relentless in their quest to break down your will and/or test the fences on a corral. You don’t have to be blatantly obvious in your exercise of authority at all.

My approach is always to give them a comforting amount of choice in the form of, “would you like six carrots or ten carrots with your meal?”

Illusory choice still feels like free choice to most humans.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@truingstar re: “I did everything you all said”

I seriously doubt that. I have read what you’ve written and advice to you elsewhere for quite some time, and fairly uniformly the male Christian advice has been for you to exhibit more fervency in faith and a great deal more demureness and intentions of subserviency towards a good man (or two). Try wiping some feet with your hair, in other words. Have you done?

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: “What exactly do you think you’re for?”

I’ll answer as a woman should. “What a man should think I’m for is to be his help meet: doing the easy things like cooking and cleaning so he doesn’t have to waste his more valuable time and energy doing them, and helping his masculinity grow so that he will use me sexually early and often.”

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

raving ≠ demure

Demure is coveredupness and shamefacedness.

zdr01dz
7 years ago

Studies show that women are more likely to orgasm if the man is wealth or handsome. Looked at another way women are more likely to orgasm for men they find desirable. So if your woman orgasms during sex (and it’s real) she genuinely finds you desirable.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
7 years ago

Let’s go over this for the sake of fun:

1. Hypergamy is totally independent of religious affiliation.
2. Hypergamy always (temporarily) finds its most optimal (available) host
organism(s).
3. Hypergamy feeds primarily on rationalization from all participants.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@bp You make a valid point. Overly frequent challenges to your authority become tiresome and no longer worth the effort, but that falls under one of the most important ideas of enlightened self interest: with each person in your life, subtract what they take out of your life from what they add to it. If what remains is negative, excise them like a cancerous tumor and move on. By the way, when I say “love” I mean it in the more general friends, family, or partner kind of way. I’d be surprised if you eschewed that entirely. Enough exposure to… Read more »

sfcton
7 years ago

Indifference doesn’t an asshole make. Often it is merited. Recently Girl#2 was pissy @ my indifference to her nail polish….. somehow that was more pressing then figuring out the strange transactions in my checking account….

Point being indifference is often the correct response to the world at large

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

To be clear, for this purpose Domain Dependence does *not* mean that one’s success strategies change while moving from one domain to another. It means that one depends on staying within a sole domain to function successfully.

Retrenched
Retrenched
7 years ago

From the Danimal archive… An essential part of being a good lay is being a lay. If a woman does not want to fuck me then she is not, from my perspective, a good lay. In fact she is provably inferior to every sex partner I have had. I get what Rollo is saying though — it’s very easy for a man to get too comfortable banging a certain rank of women and become content with them, when he could improve his sex rank with some time and effort and improve the quality and quantity of the sex he gets.… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ jf12

It means that one depends on staying within a sole domain to function successfully.

What if a man stays exclusively within two domains and eschews others? Isn’t it more about having too narrow of a focus rather than domain count? Too much specialization?

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@Badpainter re: storytelling.

I really really like the idea of collaborating with a woman to help her make up an interesting story (and life!) about herself as a pickup technique. However, it should immediately segue into making up a story about the two of you doing sexy things together, in order to work.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

btw, contrary to what all women say, a man being The Guy and saying “I Got This” does not make him alpha at all. It almost certainly means he is doing for for women, serving women, thereby defining him as beta. “Am I being serviced?” is the alpha-defining question every man should ask himself. I repeat, it is purely *beta* for a man to sit calmly in the passenger seat to comfort the young female driver as she anguishes. I’ve never met a competent woman driving instructor, btw. The ability to simply be there saying slowly and carefully “No, you’re… Read more »

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

@tasdg re: “Isn’t it more about having too narrow of a focus rather than domain count? Too much specialization?”

No. For example if a narcissist specializes in making his narcissism work, then that particular narrowly-focused specialization translates extremely well across all kinds of domains.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

Once upon a time. The second brand-new car I bought, paid cash for outright at age twenty five, was for my mother. The first of course was for my (first) wife, neither of which had ever had driver’s licenses at the time of purchase. Their sitting behind the wheel(s) in their own car(s) gave special impetus to their finally learning, and learning safely. These shaky-nervous two were probably my most hair-raising students, although a carefree laughing niece was a far worse driver. My sisters were the easiest to teach; enthusiasm without sniveling. My youngest sister learned to drive from the… Read more »

sfcton
7 years ago

Specialization is the key to success.

One of the reasons I stress “Bad Boy game” is because it’s near on universal, near on infinitely adaptable and it’s a shit ton of fun

Merry Christmas y’all.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ jf12

@tasdg re: “Isn’t it more about having too narrow of a focus rather than domain count? Too much specialization?”

jf12: No. For example if a narcissist specializes in making his narcissism work, then that particular narrowly-focused specialization translates extremely well across all kinds of domains.

I was unclear. I meant specialization in a particular market, not specialization on a particular general skill. Focus was intended to be read in the context of a particular market.

I’ll have a major Dread update soon. It involved a nuclear 5h1t-test. Very enlightening.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Mrs. Gamer wondered why I didn’t offer to help her in the kitchen. I told her that I would come in as a consultant, but not as an assistant. If she asks, I’ll help, but I won’t be her slave. She got it. TRP is slowly making its way into the Gamer household.

jf12
jf12
7 years ago

re: antifragility. It is trivial to observe that when one is reduced to living in a pile of rubble, one cannot be *further* reduced by blowing up the rubble. Ragpicking is an antifragile employment, but hardly desirable. The larger science is systems science, usually called systems theory. One semiprofound observation I can make is that disorder is not primarily a consequence of external conditions: it arises dynamically in most generic systems, especially those with both forcing and friction. To repeat, disorder is *generated* generically. Disorder is inherent. Models that need to keep disorder external are not good models of dynamical… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

@ jf12

Anytime you have work (friction or force-generated), then you have an increase in entropy. Of course, entropy is always measured internal to a system. The rest of the systems theory falls out of these general thermodynamic principles.

244
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x
%d bloggers like this: