Teach Your Children Well

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Yes I know my enemies, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

Today’s picture comes to us courtesy of popsugar – h/t heartiste and Zelscorpion.

In honor of International Men’s Day, this picture serves as a grim reminder that boys are often pressured to succumb to gendered expectations. Last year, a group of fourth grade boys was asked to list what they don’t like about being male, and the sad results were projected in the classroom. It’s important to consider what we are teaching young boys about what it means to be a man or masculine. How do you approach gender expectations with your children?

I’m leading off with this for the weekend’s discussion post because it encapsulates precisely what I was describing towards the end of my post on Vulnerability, that our modern normative social consciousness is one that is defined by a female-correct, female-beneficial experience. Bear in mind that this projection is from the collected, learned experiences of a group of 9 year old boys who have been conditioned to a self-loathing of masculinity in a feminine-correct social order.

The question, “What I don’t like about being a boy” seems fairly innocuous, but in a feminine-correct social awareness it becomes a litmus test to gauge how well these boys have internalized feminine-correct, conditioned beliefs. Read the list of offending grievances:

  • Not being able to be a mother
  • Not supposed to cry
  • Not allowed to be a cheerleader
  • Supposed to do all the work
  • Supposed to like violence
  • Supposed to play football
  • Boys smell bad
  • Having an automatic bad reputation
  • Grow hair everywhere

The list reads like the table of contents from the textbook of exactly what I’d expect from an organized feminine-primary conditioning, however we need to look deeper. It’s important to bear in mind that these uniquely male attributes are grievances these boys wish they could alter about themselves. These boys believe their lives would be improved (perfected) if they could be less like boys and more like girls. Masculine incorrect, feminine correct.

I’m often criticized of being conspiratorial for my assertion that the Feminine Imperative conditions men from a very early age to accept their eventual Beta supportive role later in life. While this masculine grievance list from 4th grade boys is a good illustration, it’s simply one example of the earliest parts of the feminine-correct landscape men are raised not just to internalize, but to evangelize about to other boys / men as well.

The Patriarchy

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Amongst the crown jewels of the most useful of feminine operative social conventions is the meta-contrivance of an ever present, omni-oppressive state of masculine social control – the Patriarchy. The term was coined by the luminaries of second wave feminism to give name to an otherwise ambiguous enemy. That ambiguity was a necessary buffer to mask the real focus of feminism’s intended destructiveness – masculinity.

If you read between the lines of Sarkesian’s tweet here you can see the presumption of experiential feminine-correctness that is her mental point of origin. Her presumed context for all her public interactions is that any normal male reading it, what she believes is logic, will already be prepared to accept that what is in women’s best interests is necessarily what is in men’s best interests.

Thus, deductively, what is perceived by women to be harmful to women is necessarily harmful to men – all because the concept of what is harmful or beneficial to either proceeds from a conditioned understanding of ubiquitous female-correctness.

Hardline feminists, female and male, will rattle this trope off in different varieties, but the message is the same, “the Patriarchy hurts men too.” The reason this is standard boilerplate is because it presumes a shared state of feminine-correctness, and a shared state of mutual oppression whether a man is aware of his Patriarchal oppression or not.

This social convention is really a form of marketeering; selling a solution to a problem it created itself. The true focus isn’t about solving problems created by an imagined male-social dominance, nor is it about marginalizing the less palatable aspects of masculinity. Rather, the true objective is a wholesale elimination of any semblance of conventional masculinity in men.

This learned feminine ‘correctness’ began with the 4th grade (actually before then) boy’s conditioned self-loathing of their masculinity.

“I find myself increasingly shocked at the unthinking and automatic rubbishing of men which is now so part of our culture that it is hardly even noticed.

We have many wonderful, clever, powerful women everywhere, but what is happening to men? Why did this have to be at the cost of men?

I was in a class of nine- and 10-year-olds, girls and boys, and this young woman was telling these kids that the reason for wars was the innately violent nature of men.

You could see the little girls, fat with complacency and conceit while the little boys sat there crumpled, apologizing for their existence, thinking this was going to be the pattern of their lives.

Lessing said the teacher tried to catch my eye, thinking I would approve of this rubbish.

This kind of thing is happening in schools all over the place and no one says a thing.

It has become a kind of religion that you can’t criticize because then you become a traitor to the great cause, which I am not.

It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests.

Men seem to be so cowed that they can’t fight back, and it is time they did.”

– Doris Lessing

While this account is an indictment of the Feminine Imperative, the irony of Lessing’s shock and disgust is that in the feminine-primary social environment she’s contributed to, only a woman can authoritively observe and describe men’s debasement and be taken with any amount of seriousness. No man could’ve written this and been taken as anything but misogyny.
I received a pertinent email from a reader, Dan, this week:

Rollo, why do women raise their sons to be beta?

In my personal experience and from what many men who have made the red pill transition have said, most mothers seem to raise their sons to be beta. From an evolutionary prospective this makes no sense. It would be in the best interest of a woman’s genetics and future bloodline to raise alpha sons who can subsequently attract and impregnate more women, yet it seems women overwhelmingly raise their sons to be beta (“women want a nice guy”, “just be yourself”, and encouraging submissive behavior toward women). I could understand why society as a whole would promote this dynamic because it benefits the female Imperative, but at the individual level, evolution tends to be much more selfish. What gives?

Dan

A woman, your mother, sister, aunt, grandmother and every girl ‘friend’ you think you have are all in on a meta-shit test – they want you, and their sons, to Just Get It in spite of what they mistakenly believe are in your best interests as a man. You must embrace an Alpha mindset without a woman instructing you to be so or by definition you are not Alpha.

Women fundamentally lack an existential male experience, so the advice, the upbringing, to be more Beta, be more compromising of the masculine for the feminine, stems from women’s best guess as to what would make their sons into the best men they believe they themselves would like to pair and bond with.

Women’s sexual strategy is rooted in dualistic hypergamy – Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks. Women already feel the familial kin-affiliation with their sons (the comforting Beta bucks security side of hypergamy) thus the Alpha Fucks side conflicts with that investment.

In the case of most single mothers, the hindsight regret of having achieved her subconscious goal of securing the Alpha Fucks genetics in her prime fertility years may be distorted by her inability to adequately realize the Beta Bucks side of her Hypergamy when the Alpha father declines the parental investment she thought would be forthcoming from him. Thus, that Beta Bucks idealization gets transferred to her son(s) and is reflected in how she raises him.

Also remember, Hypergamy is based on two parts, sexuality and security. It also stands to reason that by ensuring her son is a good manipulable Beta provider (by both her and any woman he pairs with) that his provisioning would also extend to her in the event that his father dies or abandoned her.

One last thing, human parenting evolved from the parental investment of a complementary masculine influence to balance a feminine influence. When left to a singular feminine influence in upbringing, you’re correct, it makes no evolutionary “sense”. Thus we have our contemporary landscape filled with “men” who are overwhelmingly feminized and ill prepared to lead complementary relationships with women.

Towards the end of my Vulnerability post I tackled a documentary by Jennifer Siebel Newsom called The Masks You Live In. In that part of the essay I described how the Feminine Imperative coordinates social conventions which invalidates the male experience by fostering the idea that conventional masculinity is an act or a front men put on to distract from what really lies behind the mask – a ‘true self’ defined by feminine-correct sensitivities and emotionalism:

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

You see, it’s not enough to simply raise generations of boys to question what it means to be male, the idea of a male defined masculinity is dangerous to a feminine-primary social order. Boys must be taught to be self-loathing of their maleness, to despise what it is to eventually be a man.

And even that’s not sufficient. Men must be continually reminded that masculinity is ridiculous, pitiable in it’s attempts to understand the feminine, and that men would already be feminine-correct beings if they’d simply drop the facade of their mask of positive masculinity.

Here’s the face of your perfected ‘adult’ male:

“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”

― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead

These are the men that the Feminine Imperative has created. The men who, “want an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home.” The men the imperative must convince are ‘sexier’ at precisely the concurrent time that their provisioning and security are most important to women at their necessitous phase of life.

These are the men who made the list of things they were taught they shouldn’t like about being a boy when they were 9 years old.

So for this weekend’s discussion question I’ll ask the same thing popsugar did, how do (will) you approach gender expectations with your children?

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Magnifque
Magnifque
6 years ago

It’s very likely that I will go into the education of our youth—very motherfucking likely. It will be in private schools and home schools. When I can make it scalable, it will happen (software guys feel free to help with automation.) Fuck yes, motherfucking yes, some of us older males do ACTUALLY care about raising up our young to be bad-ass motherfuckers. What about you pussy faggots? Are you going to support us? Or just talk shit? I would right now, today, lay down my life, to educate young men on how to be grown men. What about you, faggot;… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Armchair Quarterback I’ve taught high school students before and thoroughly enjoyed it. Two of the only male figures I ever found I respected in my life were high school teachers. However, I could be making $50k/yr as a teacher, or the current six figure salary I make for engineering. I enjoy both equally. Which should I choose? If a man wants to do things with his life, have free time, start a business, meet a woman or (as stated here) raise a family, he needs money to do it. That’s all optional for women. Teaching pays fuck-all in the US,… Read more »

Joe Katzman
6 years ago

Magnifique: we are meant to be explorers. Explore! Then come back, and enrich us with your tales. The fire and ale will always be waiting. Softek: If you keep trying to get better every single day, critical mass will come. But your background may force some side treks or unconventional approaches, to get you some intermediate things that others have as a matter of course. Lots of places to find help in the Manosphere, but it’s your life – and it’s your own creativity that is ultimately going to free you. It’s in there. Mark: Lots of truth there. I… Read more »

Joe Katzman
6 years ago

Sorry, posted that last in the wrong thread somehow.

Magnifique… charter schools are getting a foothold. First the plan, then the man (commitment), then the money. Tranched like any good VC. Tell us what you need from us to hep with the plan.

Joe Katzman
6 years ago

Magnifique: we are meant to be explorers. Explore! Then come back, and enrich us with your tales. The fire and ale will always be waiting. Softek: If you keep trying to get better every single day, critical mass will come. But your background may force some side treks or unconventional approaches, to get you some intermediate things that others have as a matter of course. Lots of places to find help in the Manosphere, but it’s your life – and it’s your own creativity that is ultimately going to free you. It’s in there. Mark: Lots of truth there. I… Read more »

jf12
jf12
6 years ago

deti for the win: “To women, his “maleness means aggression, violence, rape and criminal behavior. To women’s way of thinking, the tempering, “civilizing” influence that only she can bring will make him “acceptable” to a woman so he can marry, mate and have offspring. He has to “be nice” so that a woman will stay with him long enough to bear his children.”

Yes! Women in power, i.e. mothers teachers etc., beat down the nonexistent “rapist” tendencies of young men, i.e. treating the young men as potential future pump-and-dumpers. Thus creating the 80% of men who are betas.

jf12
jf12
6 years ago

@TinderMaster re: “When they know their kid has the potential to pull, they won’t purposely push down too many blue pills (beta shit) down his throat.”

See, that’s where you’re wrong. The good boys do what their mommies tell them and swallow their beta meds thereby losing. The bad boys rebel thereby winning.

jf12
jf12
6 years ago

@BP re: “Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”

Yes, because advanced incompetence requires deliberately refusing to improve.

agent p
agent p
6 years ago

Parenting: I am taking the full red pill disclosure approach. It starts with me, I am self assured and confident with my wife and children, I do not suffer fools and I will strongly defend my family if required. My wife and kids know I am on their side even when they do something wrong, “I love you, I just don’t love what you did…” So this builds trust and respect. Part of that is that I must reciprocate trust and respect for the kids, I make the time to hear their concerns, views etc, but as the living breathing… Read more »

agent p
agent p
6 years ago

For little girl, it’s trickier to teach. I stick to the patriarch model and have to triple down on the “I love you but I don’t always love what you do”. She is naturally magnetic in her personality and a very pretty blonde. If not managed properly she could easily grow into the very embodiment of entitled bitch that we so revile here. So my principal focus with her is one of teaching humility. As she is far more adept at social situations then her brother, I sometimes have to run interference for him. I try not to do it… Read more »

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John Barleycorn
John Barleycorn
6 years ago

Rollo posted this 10 months ago: http://therationalmale.com/2014/02/07/lessons-for-my-son/ I have no idea if it’s the right set of lessons or not, but I can say that 10 months later after reading this and putting some of it to use, my 13 year old son seems to be absorbing age-appropriate RP lessons quite well. I haven’t imparted all of these lessons, but have been easing into them slowly. I actually have to go pick him up from a birthday party here shortly and plan to have a “man to man” talk with him about some of these things. Here’s what I’ve noticed…Sons… Read more »

eon
eon
6 years ago

@ Glenn, December 5th, 2014 at 11:20 am Did all of you miss the actual underlying messages in the first part of Glenn’s comment, and his overall theme, that it is impossible to “Teach Your Children Well” and so you shouldn’t even bother? Yeah, I read (only) his stuff from a different perspective, because I see him as an (at least) inconsistent fuck, who zigs and zags all over the place. He goes on and on, repeating tangential information, or ordinary and (Red Pill) accepted stuff, and then inserts something that seems out of place (the actual message), or that… Read more »

Dave Awesome
Dave Awesome
6 years ago

I think that type of instruction is an intentional infliction of emotional distress- a soft form of child abuse.

Besides- it is awesome time to be a man.

Mark Minter
6 years ago

Rollo, a slow pitch here for a post, chest high, right across the plate, for a post that will generate much, much traffic and comments. “The Man to Avioid at all Costs” http://bodycrimes.com/2014/12/05/the-man-to-avoid-at-all-costs/#comments She says stay away from divorced men, statistically verified by 60% of second marriages ending in divorce, those “men are damaged goods”. It reeks of entitlement, meaning husbands as good “work horses”, and whether or not, they will wear the yoke well, respond to the lash, and properly pull the plow, or whether they have “baggage”, are bad eggs, and were “ran off the farm” (my words,… Read more »

Wolf
6 years ago

I was hoping he would start crying like the “Best Cry Ever” guy, but silent crocodile tears and eyefucking the camera is fine too I guess.

As men we can only watch as our culture grows ever more androgynous. One day the societal conditions in the US will become so backwards that the majority of masculine men will have no other choice but to relocate to one of the few remaining bastions of traditional values.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

I am raising my sons so they will never have to date/marry women like this – http://elitedaily.com/dating/marry-complicated-girl/858579/

F.I in full swing right there….what absolute fuck-nuttery!!

The One
The One
6 years ago

I don’t like being such a good looking man, I constantly need a stick for self defense.

I don’t like being such a smart man, people always feel inferior to me.

I don’t like being such a strong man, I’m always breaking stuff.

The One
The One
6 years ago

As men we can only watch as our culture grows ever more androgynous. One day the societal conditions in the US will become so backwards that the majority of masculine men will have no other choice but to relocate to one of the few remaining bastions of traditional values

~Wolf

No, when the money runs out the immigrants will go buck wild pillaging and raping white women. Ball less males won’t have the strength to defend the women, and the women will wonder how they all become slaves. The red pill men will laugh at poolside

Beowald
Beowald
6 years ago

What I don’t like about being a boy:

1. Not as strong as my dad.
2. Not as tall as my dad.
3. Not as smart as my dad.
4. All those women telling me what to do.
5. Can’t smoke yet.
6. Can’t drive yet.
7. Can’t grow an awesome mustache.
8. Only my little brother does what I tell him.
9. Don’t have my own money.
10. Haven’t ever shot a deer.

…and, would any of these answers have been projected on the screen?

M Simon
6 years ago

Nathan December 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am The loss of Religion ushered in this insanity. Feminism is a religion substitute w women as false god It wasn’t loss of religion as much as a change of religion. Religion stopped teaching women that when they find the man they want she should submit. And teaching men to dominate. But it is an old problem. See “Taming of the Shrew” over 400 years old. We now ALL have the problem these upper classes had. Abundant resources. Add in birth control and there is nothing religion can do. Especially churches run by Betas.… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

kobayashii1681
December 6th, 2014 at 7:07 pm

I wrote a comment there that cut right to the chase:

It is easy to catch a man – just want him more than any other woman does. Of course than might require a degree of submissiveness you do not wish to exhibit. Then go after a man no other woman wants.

So what do you really want?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@kobayashii1681 It’s really hard to believe that’s not a troll post. Women actually believe that men want a woman that’s a pain in the ass? Like we actually are the kind of dopey, useless, fat, slovenly idiots everything on TV portrays us to be (or weak-minded dullards, if we’re good looking) that should be looking for a woman that acts like the other man of the house? They actually believe this horse shit? I’ve never found myself attracted to a “challenging” woman. The more sweet, friendly, accommodating, kind, thoughtful, and loving she is, the more likely I am to really… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

“Don’t get me wrong; a complicated girl who is not yet mature will be a pain in the ass. She will pick fights with you about everything, and you will always feel like a failure in her presence because you won’t know how to make her happy. But, with a little experience and wisdom, this is the girl who will become wife material. And, once she’s at that point, you better never let her get away, or you’ll risk losing the best thing you ever had.” That conclusion makes my fucking head hurt. “I can’t wait to marry a woman… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Women actually believe that men want a woman that’s a pain in the ass? ” No, most women believe that men “can’t handle” a woman that’s a pain in the ass. Like that’s a bad thing or something, but send all the white knights to some other continent and I’d manage; although I still have no idea why would I want to. What this particular, batshit insane woman believes is that the man she wants, who ran away from her because she was batshit insane (excuse me, “complicated”), would have been better off with her because she’s batshit insane. The… Read more »

chris
chris
6 years ago

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84376533/

19 People Who Think Feminism Is For Conquering Men

Number 7. Jesus Fucking Christ.

BC
BC
6 years ago

Makes me think of every cunt that walks around parroting Marilyn Monroe with her “I’m selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can’t handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don’t deserve me at my best.”

Any woman who says (brags?) that most likely doesn’t have a “best”.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@chris
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

I find myself calling Poe’s Law a lot these days…

M Simon
6 years ago

Joe Katzman December 6th, 2014 at 3:48 am … you operated out of love… Excellent! It is not often said around here but I think that is essential. You can’t have a black heart (be a blaggard) and do it right. You dominate her to make her (and you) happy. There HAS to be something in it for her. I remind the first mate (FM) all the time (especially when she lights up) how much happier she is with my domination. It is part of the deconditioning process. The Red Pill has not quite taken yet with the first daughter.… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

“The Man to Avoid at all Costs”, from “bodycrimes”, Minter?
Chuffing heck. Blast from the past. Cynthia “Cinzia la Strega” Gockley, by all that is drunk, lonely, washed-up and bloated.
You havin’ a giraffe, pal? Madder than a box of frogs and older than dirt (but not me), that one. Has only one other pastime not exclusively involving Chardonnay, which is OCD-level manosphere tracking (I nearly said “dogging” lol).
http://mattforney.com/2014/02/09/is-feminist-blogger-cynthia-gockley-a-dangerous-stalker/

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

” – Being sent to the back of the line by Miss when birthday cake is being shared out”
” – Being constantly criticised and belittled by pig-ignorant cat-ladies posing as educators”

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

One of my oldest mates (brit sense, ok?), film-editor of distinction, worked on it early on. Once told me with a straight face it was initially pitched as a sanitised urban soap-u-drama involving .. gay men .. and suddenly it all made sense.

The purchasers of course were all “This is great, love it! Love it!! Of course, you’re gonna hafta switch the characters into women or it’s unbroadcastable ..” so the bathhouse/poppers element was jettisoned, and the rest is herstory. Everything else was retained.

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

that was re SunW’s invocation of the devil aka SATC.

I think my head is frozen, although I’m wearing a ushanka and Canuck surplus rifleman’s gloves (suits my 2-finger-typing) indoors (heavily insulated shop).

M Simon
6 years ago

Tam the Bam
December 7th, 2014 at 8:11 am

And your point is?

I’ll never get that time back.

I like this place because there is considerable evidence of thought. Other places? Not so much.

njanssen
njanssen
6 years ago

Holy shit man! Rollo Tomassi, you have stated in words what will take academic culture 1000 years to “discover/prove/hypothesize”. That is if academic culture ever actually wants to “discover/prove/hypothesize”. My theory is that, this raising children to be beta only occurs when the mother is around to actually raise the children into good children. In many many situations, where children do not have a mother figure, or the mother figure is completely unable to keep their boy children away from “trouble, and real world experience” this “rasing boys to be beta/girls” NEVER occurs. “trouble, and real world experience” QUICKLY teaches… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

Re my: M Simon
December 6th, 2014 at 11:27 pm

Socialism is a disease of the church.

========

Stalin was educated in a Church School. Tiflis Spiritual Seminary.

M Simon
6 years ago

njanssen December 7th, 2014 at 8:57 am drug/crime/violent/reallife situations You ought to study PTSD. And add in alcohol to “drug”. I have some acquaintance with all those things having at one time been an outlaw biker. In my experience all the people involved were abused children with the genes for long term PTSD. What makes the bad boys attractive? The ability to deal with violence. My method (somewhat unusual) was to be able to see it coming far off (most of the time) and avoiding it. The first mate loves that because I am her protector. The bedrock of what… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

“And your point is? “
Citing a nutty rageblogger as representing anything other than a moonbeam from a larger lunacy is a waste of everyone’s time.
I could go on ..

jf12
jf12
6 years ago

@kobayashii1681 re: complicated woman.

Thanks for giving me something to SMH about. My neck was stiff.

Glenn
Glenn
6 years ago

@ Eon – If nothing else, you make me feel less badly about going on so long, lol. A few thoughts for your Sunday pleasure: 1. Female Imperative Soaked Society/Culture/State – Feminism has simply weaponized female power.The FI informs the state and education and the arts, the news media. you guys know the story. But somehow, many of you also think that if you just “build a better alpha” out of your sons, they will escape or rise above all the rest of this stuff. Go read up on “sexy sons” sexual selection theory to get a sense of what’s… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

Glenn December 7th, 2014 at 9:57 am You are still playing the pack mule role and are teaching your son to play the pack mule role, only better. Well yeah. What did you expect? Men are expendable. By design (or evolution – take your pick). Some of us don’t mind and do what Krishna advised Arjuna. “Get up an fight.” Others prefer to avoid the fights and wait to side with the victors. The fighters who win (or just survive) get the pick of the women. The rest get the leftovers. It is our lot in life. Who will stand… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

The video:

M Simon
6 years ago

I bought the old deal under the new terms and it sucked.

The answer is to stop being attached to the old deal. It is unlikely to be offered again. At least for a while.

M Simon
6 years ago

I asked them all if they had it to do over again, would they get married?

My answer is yes. One of the most interesting adventures of an adventurous life.

I wouldn’t recommend it to any Beta.

So what do I tell my sons? Two wives or none. #2 son who is very Red Pill laughed. The first mate who was listening laughed. Nervously.

M Simon
6 years ago

Having been A Team since 18 I never noticed the deal change. I never expected the old deal. Never bought it. So its disappearance was invisible until I started visiting places like this.

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

You’ve partly got it, Rollo, and partly missed it. IMHO it’s not that they expect their sons to just get it. It’s that they think that ALL men just get it naturally. They think that all men have it better than any given woman, that men wake up in the morning naturally feeling confident and awesome and…..alpha. What they are trying to do is domesticate their boys – in the same way that any woman who marries an alpha will try to domesticate him. They think they are doing the world (and their sons future wives) a favor by doing… Read more »

Different T
Different T
6 years ago

1. You kid yourself if you think you can shield your children – male or female – from this. If you think so, you don’t understand the nature of the problem. The FI is everywhere – it’s in your fucking head. It’s on the TV, in the music videos they’ll watch thousands of times with their friends, in school, at the dance class – you get my point? There is no insulating your kids from it. 2. Sex – Someone up above claimed he was terrified of the cock carousel for his daughter. Here’s a hint – she’s not your… Read more »

jf12
jf12
6 years ago

@Jeremy re: “They think that all men … wake up in the morning naturally feeling confident and awesome and…..alpha.”

Yes. Deti said the same thing. Every woman suffers from the apex fallacy.

The big wakeup call to women is each of them recognizing that she ought to treat her man as if he were her alpha. It has to be repeated over and over to women because each can ONLY see alpha males, so the fact she fails to treat her man as alpha is identical with her failing to treat him as a man.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

I suppose my big questions in all this are some simple ones I’ve failed to ask previously so that I might fill in some important blanks. Modern misandrist feminism became a force right about the time I was born, maybe a couple years before. Who were the big names behind it, what were their writings I might read to try and understand what their actual end game intentions are (I’m honestly curious *exactly* where they expect the complete destruction of long functioning social structures to actually lead to and how out of whack or perfectly aligned with the current failure… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Jeremy – “They think they are doing the world (and their sons future wives) a favor by doing so. In their minds, the end result will be a young man with natural male (alpha) tendencies, but just a bit of a beta side. They aren’t trying to make full betas.”

Either by malice or incompetence the results are the same. Just because they weren’t “trying to make full betas” is not an acceptable defense, or reason, or excuse. Intentions matter not at all when the results are totally for shit.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Sun Wukong – “I’m honestly curious *exactly* where they expect the complete destruction of long functioning social structures to actually lead to and how out of whack or perfectly aligned with the current failure it might be”

The ultimate goal of feminism is : from each man by his ability to each woman according to her need/want/whim.

Beowald
Beowald
6 years ago

@ M Simon: St Crispin’s is one of my favorites, though it points up how far my dear English kindred have fallen. Compare Shakespeare’s Henry with the responses to the Rotherham rape-ring, or even with the conviction of Emma West just for talking straight.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

Badpainter: You beat me to it. however I’ll go over it again in my own words.

They seek a communist utopia, which will actually work this time because every person will cooperate perfectly in order to maintain it.

Its maxim is: To each woman according to her percieved need; from each man according to the ability a woman demands of him.

The reading list is long, but to start at the modern beginnings with important names you probably haven’t hear of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Norton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Butler

Follow the biblographies.

Different T
Different T
6 years ago

They are brain-dead. Zombie apocalypse wins again..

M Simon
6 years ago

Re: Caroline Norton – she married a jerk and got her revenge. Re: Josephine Butler – women were mistreated and the early feminists did have a point. ======================= I think “Taming of the Shrew” got it right. The first thing men need to learn is how to tame a woman. Feminism isn’t going back in a bottle. The law is not going to support men. And (heresy alert) it shouldn’t. ====================== Where it all went bad wrong is socialism. And the problem is that we have two socialist parties. The easiest to cure (it will not be easy) will be… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
6 years ago

It’s amazing how early the female shit tests start. My son is 4. He was playing with a 4 year old girl one time. I told him he had to help her pick up the toys they were playing with as we were about to leave. I turned around for a moment. When I looked back, the 4 year old girl was purposely throwing her toys on the floor as he dutifully ran around and picked them up. Needless to say, I put a stop to it and he had his first red pill lecture. Just try to boil this… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

In addition to the Marxist political agenda feminism seeks to hoard and distribute the highest SMV men and women amongst all (approved) women as desired so that even the fugos won’t be sexually deprived. The unapproved men are labor slaves to all women and are encouraged to go fuck themselves thus the convenvient alliance with gay men. Ideally feminism is a lesbian conspiracy to designed to improve lesbian access to higher SMV women by both making women generally unattractive to men and by making men generally useless to women except as beasts of burden. At the same time feminism seeks… Read more »

Scotty
Scotty
6 years ago

This article made me cringe. If there was ever a better argument for sticking in there for your boys I don’t know of it. Brothers, if you’ve married and have boys, you know you don’t really owe it to anyone but yourself but it sure would be a help to your boys for you to learn whatever game you need to establish a proper frame in your marriage so you can be there for them. It’s a rough world and they need your example–provided your example is worth a damn.

rwnarrator
6 years ago

when i saw chris carter’s behavior in the commercial, an enormous red flag went off in my head – i just knew the manosphere would pick it apart. the sexual assault and such isnt anything to make light off, im not saying that but i am saying – grab your balls carter (or buckeyes), my lord!! i love the practical example rollo. its my GUT reaction to it, then seeing it on here, that helps me KNOW ive internalized the Alpha mindset. “Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Where it all went bad wrong is socialism. ” And everyone should read Marx and Engles. It is worth noting in the current context that the reason Engles leveraged feminism into socialism is because; socialism is the woman’s social order. Without the women behind it socialism will fail, and the women are behind it because socialism is what women want. To try to seperate them is to miss the point. People who evade the point and come out of the box white knighting for Norton and Butler are generally trying avoid facing the fact that there is an issue with… Read more »

stuttie
6 years ago

What hope do Men and Boys have when they search online for answers and this is the rubbish being peddled by so called Manhood experts;

http://www.actlikeaman.org/top-10-teach-son-manhood/

http://stronglovingman.com/

(for a real good laugh read the “women tell all” section)

stuttie
6 years ago

What hope do Men and boys have looking online for answers when they might stumble on these so called “manhood” sites.

http://www.actlikeaman.org/top-10-teach-son-manhood/

http://stronglovingman.com/ (for a good laugh read the “women tell all” section)

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

rwnarrator – “but how on earth, are we going to communicate this message, on a wide scale? i know i feel like a BILLION dollars after unplugging and coming to terms with my new responsibility but any of my friends ive even hinted at with this priceless information, just argue it with me and then go back to their bitchy girlfriends…” The current phase of counter reaction to the feminist status quo is much akin to the political situation in the colonies around 1760. We the reactionaries are in the learning and sharing phase. The manosphere is similar to the… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

kfg – “…socialism is the woman’s social order. Without the women behind it socialism will fail, and the women are behind it because socialism is what women want.” Where men were initially fooled was when women said they wanted equality. Equality to men means clearly defined rules, objective and transparent procedures, and systemic predictibility so that all MEN may compete on a level playing field. Equality defines process, and metrics and doesn’t care one bit about an individuals feelz. Women don’t care about process no matter how equitable. They only want equal results. They want the system to handicapp them… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

HTGAWTWTSWY is an individual tactic, not a long term strategy. Some men will be able to pull it off with some women, but it will have no effect on the wider social order. None. If men as a whole can’t domesticate women then there is absolutely no hope. Every man an alpha should be our marching cry. I didn’t join the alpha club until age 18 (’62). I was taught by my first GF. It can be taught. Law is nice. But individual action on a mass scale is much more durable. Just ask the Alcohol Prohibition folks. =================== As… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

And the interesting thing about changing the culture is that you do not need 51% assent. It can be done one individual at a time. Just look at what the pot people did with on the order of 10% favoring legalization around 1970. The % is now around 55% and still rising. In only 45 or so years. Having seen that I’m very hopeful about men’s future. “How to get a woman to WANT to stay with you.” (HTGAWTWTSWY) is what we should be teaching. If we do that we will not only get men on our side but women… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

Badpainter
December 7th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

Proper revolutions take time and patience.

Well said.

rwnarrator
6 years ago

@badpainter i understand what youre saying and i really like the way you put it, but ive never ran into a single guy (at least i dont think) who is aware of the manosphere. ive told friends and some associates about CH and Rollo and they reject the material right away, as some women hating bullshit. could they be anymore wrong, haha? sure, ive known a FEW naturals but even they seemed to fall into the beta provider role near the ages of 26 – 30. the sad thing too, they gave off the impression they HAD to turn into… Read more »

stuttie
6 years ago

@ rwnarrator – can you post the link to Tyler’s article?

New Yorker
New Yorker
6 years ago

Like it or not, human beings are hardwired to want to pair bond just as much as they are hardwired to want to fuck. The chemical catalyst for love (oxytocin) has a dilutionary effect on testosterone, thus reducing desire for other potential mates. The red pill is not about forsaking love and pair bonding. It is about understanding your nature and doing it on YOUR TERMS for the life that you want. That can be done in any number of ways but pretty much every man is going to want to fall in love and have a family. That will… Read more »

davidvs
6 years ago

Here is my somewhat kid-friendly explanation of what appropriate masculinity.
http://davidvs.net/hobbies/index.shtml#Masculinity

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“If men as a whole can’t domesticate women then there is absolutely no hope.” Pandora opened the box and all the ills of the world began to fly out. She tried to slam it shut, but being startled reacted slowly. And so only one thing remained in the box by the time lid was closed again. She had held on to Hope. As so, what women can hold out to men to this day is: Hope. And so he suffers. “Every man an alpha should be our marching cry.” Or, to phrase it another way: Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Where have… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . human beings are hardwired to want to pair bond . . .”

For a time. What’s more, the time is different for men and women.

anonymoose
anonymoose
6 years ago

Heh – Shouldn’t the ‘leave a comment’ thingy be at the bottom? My few cents – 1st some context – 51 year old divorced father – About a year of solid amused mastery frame & various other techniques with my daughters (& a couple of plates). 17 year old is quite entitled, 13 year old quite a bit less so, trend is good but the 17 year old is probably gonna learn some lessons the hard way. 3 points – especially for new parents, check out loveandlogic.com. also look for “Raising Self Reliant Children in a Self Indulgent World” neither… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@kfg
Thanks, I’ll look in to both of those.

jf12
jf12
6 years ago

@kfg re: “To each woman according to her percieved need; from each man according to the ability a woman demands of him.”

From each man according to his ability as perceived by women. TIFIFY

Your maxim is an open-ended braid, i.e. partially symplectic.

M Simon
6 years ago

” . . .the Alcohol Prohibition folks. ”

Or, as they were known at the time: Battle Axes.
I detect a flaw in your model here.

I didn’t make myself clear. The Battle Axes were defeated by individual action that turned into a mass movement.

M Simon
6 years ago

“The answer is to redomesticate women.”

Where on Earth did you ever get the idea that women have ever been domesticated?

I have domesticated mine. Without the need to resort to government force. Why is she domesticated? Because submitting to me makes her feel good. I ask her about that several ties a day (as a reminder).

The need to resort to government is a sign of weakness. Women hate weakness. In addition – why in hell would I want some other man keeping my woman in line?

M Simon
6 years ago

Now I agree that the laws on paternity need to change. DNA testing now makes that feasible. But that is the only thing I see needing to be done. And it will not be done for a while. In the mean time learn to get her to submit. Willingly.

M Simon
6 years ago

kfg
December 8th, 2014 at 12:45 am

” . . . human beings are hardwired to want to pair bond . . .”

For a time. What’s more, the time is different for men and women.

Could you expand on that? And especially links if you have them.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

M.Simon – “The need to resort to government is a sign of weakness. Women hate weakness.” But women love government. Law exists and only by government can it be changed. I doubt anyone is asking for more government and more law, except women and weak men. However to get less governent intrusion the laws must be changed, or repealed. Or perhaps anarchy and vioent rule by local strong men is the answer. Important to note when thinking about this the last thing we need is for government to legalize activity because by doing so it is thereby regulating, or reserving… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

The need to resort to government (laws) to keep women in line means men get lazy because if they screw up the law can be relied on. That is no longer possible. And I’d say it is a good thing. It forces men to learn how to domesticate women. And the domestication must be willing. A good thing all around. There is way too much resort to government to paper over inadequacy. In this case adequacy can be learned. No need for government. Men have never been in a better position. Because unlike women we have the ability to learn… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

Badpainter December 8th, 2014 at 6:01 am M.Simon – “The need to resort to government is a sign of weakness. Women hate weakness.” But women love government. Because they are weak. By resorting to government they admit their weakness. They want men with (icky) guns to enforce their idea of society. It is our love of government that empowers them. And that is true of the Right just as much as it is true of the Left. “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” attributed… Read more »

M Simon
6 years ago

What we need is decriminalization or for the government to no longer be involved with activity. Totally agree. And that is the strategic aim. But tactically it may be necessary to go through a period of regulation to end Prohibition. The period of regulation should be as short and as local as possible. You have to bring people along. I do tell my friends in the anti-Prohibition movement, “No more regulated and taxed than tomatoes.” But they are ahead of the general population. Make provision for homegrown – is the tactic for now. Generally – we must do everything we… Read more »

MikePhil
MikePhil
6 years ago

Not sure if this is apropos to this discussion, but:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/12/sperm-donor-life-partner/383421/?google_editors_picks=true

Let’s see how we do with this one…

jacklabear
6 years ago

From the article: “They met in person for the first time in downtown Omaha on Thanksgiving 2011, when he pulled up in a horse-drawn Cinderella carriage, handed her a bouquet of red roses, and asked, “Will you be my baby mama?” ” WTF? Let’s assume this gay guy was not a blue pill beta trying to court her. He was nonetheless giving her something she must have communicated that she wanted. She did not go to a sperm bank for an anonymous donor. This sounds to me like she wants the benefits of a husband without any of the responsibilities.… Read more »

MikePhil
MikePhil
6 years ago

Over the holidays, I was finishing the book “Manliness” by Harvey Mansfield, where he makes the point that the safest kind of masculinity is the one where the man is surgically removed from the attributes that are desired. And in reading the article I reference above, I can help thinking what a fail this is all around on every single level, but mostly for the father in this situation. While his instincts may be right (wanting to be a father to his child), even as a gay man he has to admit he put his neck in a noose of… Read more »

jacklabear
6 years ago

She looks plenty manly enough.

David Deida said that while most men have a dominant masculine essence and most women have a dominant feminine essence, some people are naturally reverse polarized and the masculine and feminine in them still attract.

I figured something was wrong with the story that from the ages of 20-40 she couldn’t find a man who wanted to have children with her. Her pics hint at what that might be.

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MrBiggs
MrBiggs
6 years ago

Rollo,

why would feminists want to raise boys to be betas if that’s not really what they want.

M Simon
6 years ago

Rollo Tomassi
December 11th, 2014 at 11:27 am

I used to like playing “girl” until I was about 5 or 6. I don’t see how it is possible to be sure until the hormones kick in.

M Simon
6 years ago

BTW the sex mix up is most common in rats living in overcrowded conditions. Which is why city life has often been described as perverted.

It is also a matter of ecological niches.

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/11/behavioral-sink-behavior-and-thermodynamics/

Bluepillprofessor
Bluepillprofessor
6 years ago

I have a would be Alpha teenage son, Captain of the football team, pretty much a Machiavellian bad ass who I introduced to the manosphere a year ago or so. The kid surfs, flies planes, you name it. Unfortunately, despite his aggressive nature, he has my approach anxiety with women and (after skimming through The Rational Male) he recognized his “pedastalization” right away. Since then he decided on his own to go into Monk Mode for the rest of High School saying things like: “I am not going to hook up with any of these entitled cunts” and “They are… Read more »

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girlwithadragonflytattoo

This is brilliant. And that school example is horrifying. I thought I understood this (I wrote a post on it last year http://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2014/04/10/when-mothers-emasculate-their-sons/ ) but now I understand more the “beta” emasculation process of single mothers especially – I hadn’t even really connected that. Wow….

That post I wrote though has been my most searched for post in search engines… the wording? “how to emasculate my son” 🙁

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago

“I hate myself and I wanna die”
Words on Kurt cobain shirt
One day before he died coming back from Rome.

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