Game and Circumstance

circumstance

“Don’t be mad E. It’s not our fault you were born without the sport fucking gene, come on.”

 

At the start of July, 2011 (a month before I began this blog in earnest) I took a backpacking trip through the Great Smokey Mountains in Tennessee and North Carolina. This was due to my desire to unplug, go off the grid and get back into the real face-to-face world. It was only for 10 days but well worth burning 10 days of PTO for.

It was an educational experience meeting people, most of whom have very little online presence beyond using Twitter or FaceBook occasionally. I didn’t have cell service for most of the hike. The people I met along the way, and I’ll put this politely, were “salt of the earth” people. Some were other hikers, others were people who lived and worked in the few surrounding communities. It was good to reaffirm my ability to survive on my own and realize that there is a whole world of Men out there who live well, far beyond the influence of “men” who’ve never mowed their own lawns, much less lived by their own wit in the country. Guys who build muscle by working outdoors, not in a gym. I met beautiful women who worked in small diners you’ll never hear of. I fished rivers and streams, for dinner some nights, and I saw fireflies for the first time (I grew up in southern California, it’s a novelty).

At some point I think Men need to get back to their primal natures, they need to embrace it fearlessly and without shame. We’re far too insulated by the Buffers of technology. Even the more belligerent rednecks I encountered still preferred to text their girlfriends and came off as pussified for doing so.

I guess what I’ve come to realize is that we tend to view what we ‘know’ about men and women from the experiences we have reported to us from all over the world on blogs, forums, the manosphere  – and I still endorse the purpose of it’s unwritten mission – however, this trip reaffirmed for me that there is no substitute for real interaction. Game will work equally well with the cute blonde serving coffee in a rural diner as it would with the club girl in NYC. Both are equally given to the same feminine fundamentals we’ve untangled about women in the ‘sphere for over a decade, but the one we tend to use as a female archetype is the typical club girl for our examples. Daisy Duke is still subject to hypergamy, she just applies it differently.

I’m not turning into Roosh, but I’m considering burning a couple months doing the entire Appalachian trail all the way to Maine.

In my day to day life I deal with a lot of rich men. Every patron or boss, every general manager I’ve dealt with for the past 15 years has been a millionaire. The primary owner of one of my liquor brand is that many times over. None of the “business friends” I shoot golf with have weeded their own lawns or installed a radiator in 20+ years. When I was on the trail I thought about how ridiculous it would be to see a guy like that or some PUA guru having to dig his own toilet and take a dump in the woods, or hoist his pack in a tree so the damn bears don’t eat the only food he’s got for the next 3 days. These guys are insulated.

I want to run, and fight, and fuck, as well as I deal with the ‘civilized’ things I do. Imagine a guy like Mystery wringing out the sweat and filth of his clothes in a stream somewhere. Now, that’s some funny shit.

Game and Circumstance

I start off with this today because this experience wasn’t just humbling, but it also taught me that what I experience day to day isn’t at all what a majority of men experience. My past, my N count, my 18 year marriage, and what I do professionally sets me apart in a way that I sometimes don’t appreciate or take into consideration when I’m advising men.

It’s also very humbling and affirming when I receive emails or comments from men living in countries I’ve only seen in pictures who nevertheless share a common male experience that reinforces many of the things I write about – but even within that commonality, I have to remember, my circumstance is not theirs.

I walk through a casino almost every day now and I see the same people. Not the fun glamour you see in commercials or ads about Las Vegas (that’s usually night promos), but the real people, the overweight, housekeeping and table crew, the geriatric spending their savings and social security on a hope they’ll win something significant, the desperate and the people just looking for distraction.

I walk by some of these men and think “how is Game going to help a guy like that?” While I do believe that Game is universally beneficial on many levels (primarily between the sexes, but not exclusively) there’s a point where that improvement is going to be limited by a guy’s circumstance, where he is in life and what he’s made of it so far. It’s a manosphere cliché now, but most men aren’t ready for the red pill. The red pill awareness is simply too much for them to accept within the context of their circumstances.

That circumstance isn’t based on age or a particular demographic, but Game is only going to be as liberating for a man in as far as he’s willing to accept it in terms of his own circumstance.

Not Just Sex

Game gets a lot of misconstrued criticism in that ignorant critics presume Game only ever equals PUA and that “those guys are only interested in fucking as many low self-esteem sluts as humanly possible.” It’s much more difficult for them to confront that Game is far more than this, and applicable within relationships, in the workplace (with women and men) and even in their family dealings.

That’s kind of a scary prospect for men comfortable in living within their own contexts and circumstance. Sport fucking isn’t what most men think it is because they’ve never experienced anything beyond serial monogamy, nor is it what most (80%+ Beta) men even have the capacity to actualize for themselves. But, as Game has evolved, it isn’t just about Spinning Plates, or sport fucking, it’s more encompassing than this.

Game is, or should be, for the everyman.

“He only wants me for sex” or “I need to be sure he’s interested in me and not just sex” are the admonishments of women who really have no introspective interest in how a majority of men really approach becoming intimate with women. Oh it makes for a good rationale when women finally “want to get things right” with a provider, but even the excuse belies a lack of how most men organize their lives to accommodate women’s schedules of mating.

Mostly to their detriment, the vast majority of men follow a deductive,but anti-seductive, Beta Game plan of comfort, identification, familiarity and patience with women in the hopes that what they hear women tell them is the way to their intimacy will eventually pan out for them. Their Beta Game plan is in fact to prove they “aren’t just in it for the sex” in order to get to a point of having sex with a particular woman.

I always find it ironic when men tell me that their deductive plan for getting after it with a woman is to prove he’s not actually trying to get after it with her. However, this is what most men’s Game amounts to; deductively attempting to move into a long term monogamy based on what women, saturated in a presumption of gender equalism, tell him he ought to expect from himself in order to align himself with her intimate interest.

I could use the term “appeasement”, but that’s not what most men want to call it. Most men call it being a better man (for her), better than “other guys” who wont align themselves accordingly. It becomes their point of pride in fact.

Male Long Term Security

Most men, average men – and I don’t mean that in a derogatory sense – want a form of security.

Most men are designed, perhaps bred, to be necessitous. To be sure , men need to be constant performers, constant qualifiers, in order to mitigate hypergamy. In the past, and to an extent now, this performance simply became a part of who he was as a man and didn’t require a constant effort, but increasingly, as male feminization has spread, men have been made to be necessitous of security.

I would say that desire for long term security differs significantly from women’s Beta Bucks side of hypergamy need since the drive to secure provisioning is an innate part of women’s firmware. The security average men need is rooted in a need for certainty in his ability to meet with a woman’s performance standards – and ultimately avoid feminine rejection.

In today’s feminine-centric social order, men are ceaselessly bombarded with masculine ridicule, ceaselessly reminded of their inadequacies, and endlessly conditioned to question and doubt any notion of how masculinity should be defined – in fact ridicule is the first response for any man attempting to objectively define it.

It’s this doubt, this constant consideration of his own adequacy to meet the shifting nature of women’s hypergamic drive, from which stems this need for security. The average man needs the certainty of knowing that he meets and exceeds a woman’s prerequisites in a social circumstance that constantly tells him he never will – and his just asking himself the question if he ever will makes him that much less of a man.

The average man will look for, or create his own rationales to salve this necessitousness. He’ll create his own ego in the image of what he thinks he embodies best as being “Alpha” or he’ll adopt the easy doctrines of equalism which tell him women and men are fundamentally the same rational actors and convince himself he’s not subject to the capricious whims of feminine hypergamy because men and women are more ‘evolved’ than that– but that nagging doubt will manifest when the right circumstances and right opportunities present themselves.

Changing Your Programming

I mention in the book that I am not a motivational speaker, I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be the self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not Rollo Tomassi’s success stories, but their own success stories.

That said, let me add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will, they can be masters of their circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.

With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions under which he operates and maneuvers.

You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.

You can unplug.

You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.

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Will
Will
8 years ago

I definitely see what @narec is saying and do observe it myself, but:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040316072953.htm

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

In biology, when it is absolutely essential for survival (and reproduction), every evolvedly-efficient biochemical pathway has a backup, a fallback, a dirt trail alternative to the efficient highway. The marked pickiness of women with respect to men’s looks is an extremely efficient filter for sexiness, as we all agree. But, the *problem* of an extremely filtering filter is that it passes so little through.

Hence behavioral clues may be the dirt trail to sexiness for most men.

narec
narec
8 years ago

Rollo, I appreciate you paying more than the usual bare minimum lip service to looks, but this redirection towards body and fat % is a bit disingenuous. It implies any guy can become good looking if they work hard enough in the gym. The fact is, most guys in the club/social setting are decently slim (unlike girls), and 90% of male attractiveness is above the neck. I’m talking about facial symmetry, jaw shape and shape, skull dimensions, eye shape, brows. Girls want guys with defined jaws, thin eyes, thick and low-set brows. Basically approaching the male model ideal. This is… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Seraph: I appreciate you acknowledging my points When you say that a 9/10 guy drops to a 7/10 if he’s introverted, what are you basing this on? Wishful thinking or actual evidence? If speed dating studies show that introversion vs extroversion have no effect on perceived attractiveness, whereas Looks have the greatest effect, it means that girls place a much lower value on personality than you believe (despite what girls themselves claim). You’re projecting your world view here (as am I – I admit). Secondly, it all comes back to hypergamy. It is generally well accepted that an average girl… Read more »

Moby
Moby
8 years ago

Narec, I feel your pain. I was already a short guy to begin with but when I started to lose my hair rapidly, it was close to over for me. I work out and I achieved a great build due to my boxing regimen but because of my height and lack of hair, I still struggle with women my age. I’m 21 and it’s damn near hell for a guy with my circumstances. I don’t want to run some pity party here, but most guys will never understand just how debilitating it is to have just 2 out of the… Read more »

Max Power
Max Power
8 years ago

@SeraphI agree with you somewhat but let’s be honest. If you are not an 8 9 or 10 you are furniture to 100 per cent of the hot women in a club.

Will
Will
8 years ago

@narec I would agree with you if I single handedly didn’t see my tall pretty boy friends get turned down because they were ‘squares’ or didn’t pass shit tests.

They have obstacles to overcome to.

I have another friend 5’10′” probably 140lbs who’s been in a relationship for 2 years with a 8.5. He is not an 8 facially probably 7.

I bet you can find examples as well

Looks help a lot. It isn’t everything and doesn’t secure a girl

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

@Max Power “I agree with you somewhat but let’s be honest. If you are not an 8 9 or 10 you are furniture to 100 per cent of the hot women in a club.” Okay, so one more short response. I see limiting factors laid out from you like Narec. For one, define ‘hot’… As I mentioned to Narec, if a 6 or 7 guy is ONLY interested in 8, 9 or 10’s, you are setting up your own failure. You have to lower sights or raise your own bar. Game teaches people those numbers mean something, and you have… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

No Seraph, for God’s sake, women don’t care about how well you dance if you’re not physically attractive. Take it from someone who’s easily spent 100+ cumulative ours on dance floors. People get some drinks into them, fill up the dance floor, with a very wide range of energy and skill, yet the only guys who get any play are the top 10-20% best looking ones. At best she uses you for attention and fucks you off after a few spins – even Mystery said the dance floor is a trap. Dancing itself is more a female display of health… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”Rollo, I appreciate you paying more than the usual bare minimum lip service to looks, but this redirection towards body and fat % is a bit disingenuous. It implies any guy can become good looking if they work hard enough in the gym. The fact is, most guys in the club/social setting are decently slim (unlike girls), and 90% of male attractiveness is above the neck. I’m talking about facial symmetry, jaw shape and shape, skull dimensions, eye shape, brows. Girls want guys with defined jaws, thin eyes, thick and low-set brows. Basically approaching the male model ideal. This is… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

By the way, online video gaming streams is one of the quick ways young men have to make a buck. There are a variety of games ”e-sports” which enable groups of young men to play the game as a living. Most of the e-sports players are average, some are obese, and they don’t have that many viewers. The most viewers most professional players get is something from 2k to 5k viewers, and they stream for many hours a day. Then there’s this guy who is a major troll in video gaming, doesn’t win that many games, is not a professional… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

Narec, Mate, please listen to me on this…I am trying to help. You are muddying your own water. I do NOT claim to be an Alpha. I am not. But I have woken up and understand the dynamics a whole lot better after years of being clueless. First… GET OUT OF THE CLUB. If the dance floor is a trap for you, then this club is a Vietnamese tiger trap. 1) You are putting yourself in an environment where talking is near impossible. Looks will be all that is going on what with the BOOM-BOOM-BOOM going on. You think you… Read more »

Max Power
Max Power
8 years ago

Having an 8 at work compliment me on how a color looks good on me isn’t really motivation to lose 30 pounds if I was 30 lbs overweight.

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@narec, I don’t drink or do night game, but here is a narrative start of one possibility: Get a $20 bill in your hand and push past the waiting girl and raise your hand and shout “Barkeep! We need drinks here!” (then the timeline splits depending on her actions) A. She whines. So you go “Oh! I noticed you standing there but I didn’t know you were there for a drink. You don’t really look the type.” A .1. She quits whining and asks “What do you mean?” You’re in like Flynn and you can take it from here. A.… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

“Having an 8 at work compliment me on how a color looks good on me isn’t really motivation to lose 30 pounds if I was 30 lbs overweight.”

You’re right. Stay fat.

narec
narec
8 years ago

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Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Compliments don’t mean anything. I’ve never seen a woman compliment a fit, good-looking men. Women compliment with their vaginae. If she’s telling you something like she likes your skirt, she’s making polite talk. She ain’t gonna jump you over it.

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

Every excuse for inactivity is hereby nullified.

narec
narec
8 years ago

Low 5 due to face and height. Yes I work out and wear shoes that increase height… Seraph I am disappointed that you have dodged my question. You have basically relegated me to the most high stress game (day game) that 100% of people don’t find socially acceptable, as a cop out to my question. As if looks don’t matter in a grocery store in full lighting and no alcohol. Night game is meat and potatoes game, where it all started. The social mixing pot of western countries for hundreds of years. Where women are not approaching me, as in… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

“Compliments don’t mean anything. I’ve never seen a woman compliment a fit, good-looking men. Women compliment with their vaginae. If she’s telling you something like she likes your skirt, she’s making polite talk. She ain’t gonna jump you over it.”

You’re right.

The only thing you should expect from women is immediate, unbridled deviant monkey sex the moment you meet, whether it be work; the mall; Lowes; your child’s parent teacher conference; her father’s funeral…

Good luck with that strategy.

You are obviously very set in your ways and mindset. Congratulations on your tenacity.

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

“Seraph I am disappointed that you have dodged my question.”

I most certainly did not. I spent a considerable amount of time and typing trying to help you, if that is what you are really after.

What ARE you after, Nerac? What is your ultimate goal that you want to reach?

Will getting that 6 in bed work for you, or is it all BS if you don’t get a 9?

Are you dating/seeing/sleeping with anyone now? Will ANY improvement in result be positive for you?

Sirtyrion
Sirtyrion
8 years ago

Rollo, Game is largely a myth – a popular fiction synthesized to embellish male success with a basis in real quantities of evolutionary value. Trivial observations that seemingly confirm ‘game’, are observing nothing more than spurious correlations. The quest for a practically learned skill that can ‘bend’ female choice is a fools errand, because in order for evolution to work opportunistically, it must cull (in particular) male frequencies every generation. 1)A signal “honestly” conveys fitness, then, simply because it is not in the interest of individuals of lower quality to “cheat” and develop a larger signal; the viability costs they… Read more »

Sirtyrion
Sirtyrion
8 years ago

Here are some studies:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02702619
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/269/1498/1331.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19254086
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/266/1431/1913.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-294X.2004.02395.x/full
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/269/1486/97.short

I separated them from my original comment since I know they must first past moderation.

I saw Heartiste’s post and it really is a shame he has to not only delude himself, but other guys into his faulty beliefs. For a place where “pretty lies perish”, it certainly seems like only those which don’t harm him will pass off as “truths”. He also has the nerve to uphold science, but only selectively when it benefits him or his readership.

Such a pity.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”You’re right. The only thing you should expect from women is immediate, unbridled deviant monkey sex the moment you meet, whether it be work; the mall; Lowes; your child’s parent teacher conference; her father’s funeral… Good luck with that strategy. You are obviously very set in your ways and mindset. Congratulations on your tenacity.” The men who were known to bed the most women, did so shortly after meeting the guy. I’ve seen guys take something from 1 hour to a few hours after meeting a woman for the first time to sleep with them. I did know one guy… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”Low 5 due to face and height. Yes I work out and wear shoes that increase height…” You are out of the game for the vast majority of the women who aren’t landwhales, and the women your age are even more picky than Queen Cleopatra was. Night ”game” is going to be impossible for you to run. All you have going for you in avenues brimming with noise and bright lights is how tall you are and how good-looking you are. Day ”game” won’t work that well, either. Most women have boyfriends and aren’t looking to get banged by Alpha… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”Now, needlessly to say, I’ve been banned from Heartiste’s blog for pointing out these uncomfortable truths to him.” Don’t feel bad. I’ve been banned several times from hookingup smart because I disagree with everything Mrs. Walsh says. If I get banned its because I’m hitting to close to the truth for her to be comfortable with me around. Like that one time when one of her frequent female posters claimed her rich hubby didn’t partake in the orgies his peers were fond of. When i told her that her husband was most likely sleeping with prostitutes, I was banned from… Read more »

eon
eon
8 years ago

As I said before, I think that both positions have merit. The studies linked by Sirtyrion, and others, are relevant. However, there still remains the distinction between prediction of performance (genetics, as revealed by attractiveness) and objectively verifiable performance itself (health and power, over a period of time). On the one hand, “And there are obvious reasons why physical traits are an obvious confounder of ‘seduction’ competencies (ie. because relative deviations in physical characters can reliably signal developmental incompetence, from which sensory biases become fixed by evolutionary success)”. [(symmetry = no hidden defects) –> survival] On the other hand, survival… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Hey Rollo, replying late because I was mentally preoccupied the past couple days, including a couple of nights out. You can guess how those went. Heartiste’s blog post, and the eye-catching title, are somewhat disingenuous. Both that site and the Brain pickings site it’s copied and pasted from are quite selective with their quotes, but this is nothing new. Eon has made a great breakdown of the studies actually posted, or rather the “summaries”, but a search for the original research shows the actual methodology http://www.academia.edu/3120759/Concentrating_on_beauty_Sexual_selection_and_sociospatial_memory Kenrick’s “eye tracking technology” study went like this: Test subjects were basically playing something… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

I’ve always noticed how women must have a retinue of women who aren’t as attractive as them. It increases their value as women. Men on the other hand seem to want to have other guys competing with them for women as to use that as measuring tool for their own worth. Instead of being real with how it is and helping men go their own way(instead of pursuing women) the very few men who don’t have to date a woman to get laid insist that any guy can bang women who are much better than them – then a guy… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Here’s the highlight of my fucking night

At the bar, waiting for a drink , girl beside me .. She notices me draw a breath to say something … Immediately puts up her hand as a “stop” signal … As in, don’t even bother you sub-male model piece of dog shit. Feels good Man. Tell me something more about game please.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

It could be worse. I’ve seen women be all over a specific man, enticing him and then when he makes his move she calls on her boyfriend, lol. Look, bro, women get off on male attention. The best way to win over the enemy that society is you gotta ignore women and treat them like they don’t exist. Do not acknowledge their existence, it will make them doubt themselves and if done right it will make them understand little by little that the age of the sucker-husband-boyfriend-white knight is coming to an end.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

haha, narec, I remember this time this Italian girl whom I would see 3 times a week in one of my classes, we got off college at the same time, it was night and she was walking ahead of me. There was illumination everywhere. She knew it was me who was behind me. But she turns back to look at me and had so much discomfort written all over her face and she walked faster to get away from me. Next day I was leaning on a wall next to our classroom and the Italian girl was looking at me… Read more »

Mart
Mart
8 years ago

Professor Von Hardwiggs @ July 20th, 2014 at 9:07 am You have just inadvertently illustrated the famous Margaret Atwood’s finding that “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.” It is the reality. It would help tremendously for both sexes to understand it. If men grasped that women are indeed afraid of being killed (and/or raped) by them — because they have good, reality-based reasons to fear just that — they would not dismiss it and would appreciate the validity of their reactions. If women grasped that men are indeed afraid… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

It’s quite a coincidence you touched on this “threat” or “violence” factor guys.. I’m not going to lie, towards the end of the night in the club I was getting actually viscerally pissed off. I hadn’t been in the crowded club for while… and the entitled, celebrity behavior of the girls got under my skin. I had my drink spilled a couple of times by girls impatiently elbowing their way through the crowd. I had only to brush against a girl as I tried to get through shoulder-to-shoulder people and they would give me this look like she wanted to… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Many women deliberately piss off men to draw negative attention onto them. Women love to have men fight over them. One time I was spending time with my friends inside a nightclub. There was a commotion on the lower level. Some guy was calling a dude’s gf ”whore.” The insulted boyfriend lunged at the guy and I think broke two of the fella’s teeth. My buddies and I go down to the dance floor to reach the bathroom and I have this thug pull at me asking me why I was groping his girlfriend. I was like, what? Turns out… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Concerning women and their smiles.. those smiles are all fake. They smile to become the center of attention. I always say that if a woman wants to be successful in life all she has to do is to brush her teeth, whereas men have to have superior qualities about him to set himself above the herd and the vast majority of the smiles women give to average men are either passive-aggressive displays of disdain for the average men, or they are doing it to make the guy believe she’s into him, therefore she receives attention in exchange for nothing and… Read more »

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

narec admits the truth, then enturltes himself again. “Now a “Gamer” might use this as evidence that I had increased my SMV by being aggressive, but I cannot delude myself this way. I am not inherently violent, and anyway I can’t see how this type of negative energy and emotion is supposed to translate into intimacy.”

narec
narec
8 years ago

Jf12 … you have to be trolling. I specifically describe how girls treat me as punching bags, like a Jew in nazi Germany, like a slave in Ancient Rome, all just based on a split second assessment of my physical appearance (none of this ever happens to masculine looking or tall guys), and the only time they treat me with basic human respect is when when I’m literally shaking with rage, and they think I might do something crazy despite them being heavily protected by society…and you interpret this as proper “game”, that these girls did a 180 and now… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

To a certain extent jf12 is correct, but not in the manner he believes he’s right at. Women give leeway to men they are attracted to – tall, handsome men. I have seen men beat up their girlfriends and the women didn’t press charges. Alpha males are very, very rare. Women will do anything to keep the Alpha. Women don’t respond in the same way to average men. I have seen women avoid men who were average-looking just because these guys weren’t putting the vagina on the pedestal like the rest of the men, and the women were visibly afraid… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

” I might do something crazy despite them being heavily protected by society…and you interpret this as proper “game”, that these girls did a 180 and now want to fuck the angry loser more than the male models because he’s angry? Are you completely insane?” Don’t mind him, its not his fault. He’s either a good-looking man who can do whatever he wants with women or he’s observed other men who are good-looking treat women like crap and never made the proper assumption – that Good-looking men are gods on earth. Bro, I once had a woman in class completely… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Yeah, it’s been the same with my experience, that when a guy is actually getting results with “game”, in the end it turns out that he’s either going to decent looking masculine face, is over 6ft tall , or both jf12 I can’t fully figure out.. he says he doesn’t go to bars or drink which is very strange in terms of social life unless you live in Saudi Arabia… It’s quite possible that this whole “game conquers all” is an elaborate delusion he’s spun for himself behind his computer screen as some sort of coping/rationalization mechanism. Definitely a red… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Oh, there are plenty of Keyboard players. Heartiste is filled with them, as is reddit/r/pill. The very few men who use ”game” successful are men who are good-looking and try to get average men to compete with them by handing out the god-given tool of ”Game.” If you apply game properly, if you go to my workshop, if you buy my newest DVD you too can get laid like Brad Pitt!” Rosh V has to fly all over the world to Eastern Europe to get any chance at having sex, with women who are poor. And he’s one of the… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

hey narec, you know why Chris Brown is with Rihanna. He’s got mad game, bro! His good-looks, his wealth, fame and the army of women who want to bang him have nothing to do with it. Isn’t it strange that Chris Brown put his girlfriend in the hospital and she got back with him? Now have your average man look at the average woman in the street and she can send him to jail, lol. Mad game yo!

narec
narec
8 years ago

But I have to disagree with your “consequences” comment. It sounds like wishful thinking, like believing in karma. The party doesn’t really stop for women as long as they don’t let themselves become obese I really don’t see what advantage I would have over women when both parties are older.. My looks will only get worse, and looks are all that matter for women. Due to higher male sex drive, they will still be able to have random hookups with younger, hotter guys for sexual release or validation. Not so for me – when women say they like older men,… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Well, at least you don’t end up addicted to vagina like most Alphas become and sooner or later someone taller, better-looking or younger will show up and boom, there goes their drug. By not having access to it you become immune to it and by the time you reach your 30s you’ll see it for the very high price that it brings for average men. They don’t really keep being part of the harem of Alpha males. They might remain slim but there are always younger crops of women ready to integrate the harems of the Alpha male. Besides, nearing… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

So, yeah, Susan walsh wants you to believe that its not the looks of Tom Brady what makes women attracted to him(although she feels the need to note his good-looks..) but his behaviors. Average man, shy and awkward? See, that’s why he’s not popular with the ladies. Had he the self-esteem and the confidence of Tom Brady and he could compete for women with Tom Brady.. Susan Walsh and Roissy.. the Ying and Yang of the red pill world.

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

Alpha Fucks go hand-in-hand with Higher Income (Beta Bucks) That is obvious guys. “Results confirmed that physical attractiveness correlates positively with yearly income, although, surprisingly, the least attractive exhibited the highest yearly incomes.” The 2nd part of the statement is for extreme Beta Bucks guys who become specialist doctors, etc. Basically asperger men. These are the guys we think of when we talk about “Beta Bucks” This is all from – “Beauty and Wages: The Effect of Physical Attractiveness on Income Using Longitudinal Data” http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1135&context=honorscollege_theses Extreme intelligence in a particular area is usually associated with mild to moderate social retardation… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

“Results confirmed that physical attractiveness correlates positively with yearly income…”

A confirmation of the HALO effect.

What is beautiful is loved, Beauty is the personification of moral goodness What is beautiful is monetarily remunerated, What is beautiful is sexually rewarded

Girls will overtly criticize a man for his good looks, and then covertely reward him sexually for them.

The same is true of violent men. Girls overtly criticize violent men, then covertely pull down their panties.

Mart
Mart
8 years ago

“flashes of anger and semi-justifiable bouts of indignation can be a powerful form of demonstrating higher value (DHV)”

Higher value? For morons, maybe.

It is unbelievable what kind of tripe passes for “wisdom” here.

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

Those flashes of Alpha are cyclic.
…The more stable, healthy relationship follows an Alpha-beta-Alpha frame where the man maintains his Alpha presence, with just an occasional beta episode to “prove he’s human”.

There is no rest. “just be yourself” HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Ben
Ben
8 years ago

@Mart:

No kidding.

The only thing “[t]hese Flashes of Alpha serve” is as a reminder of how serious a problem the frontal lobe dysfunction can be.

Luckily, it is often treatable:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/intermittent-explosive-disorder/basics/definition/con-20024309

Adonis
Adonis
8 years ago

This might not help the average or ugly guys on here but I’ll like to give you some perspective on how physicality truly is king in the SMP. You can honestly forget about the majority of “game”, since for young attractive girls, it’s overkill. I’m a very good looking guy and what you guys are saying here is not only true but some of you all underestimate just how much young girls like handsome men. There’s a secret only attractive guys know. In private, women can get just as feral as a man when he sees a pair of nice… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Well “gamers”, what do you think about Adonis’s post? I knew Tinder was the beginning of the end as soon as I heard about it. Girls can pick out the best looking guys all from the comfort of their iPhone, like picking out food in a restaurant (only it’s free). With their sexuality satisfied, the rest of her time can be spent partying and getting attention, having fun rejecting hopeless guys who think they can “game” her… Until Tom Brady responds to her text at 3 am and it’s time to put out

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

I now agree with all these men who claim to believe they might as well go ahead and die right now. Since they are correct that there is nothing they can do, I’m lending them my shovel, since I won’t be needing it, to help them dig their own graves.

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

physicality truly is king in the SMP.

2nd’ed

Operationalize this realization

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Narec, tinder wasn’t even ever needed for women to satisfy their sexual desires. My junior high school was 5 meters apart from my high school. The Alphas from the High school would drop by and bang the girls. White girls from middle-class acting like skanks then wondering why no guy wanted to date them when they tried to get that emotional support attention from beta males, lol. Bro, college girls have their cellphones assailed by alphas and by betas. I was once next to a very average, even ugly classmate of mine and her cellphone was beaming with naked pictures… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

Marriage with it’s sexual medicine was the narcotic analgesic for the slave class.

That’s gone.

3) A very LARGE group of “betas who’ll keep the wheels of society going on a little longer by marrying and fathering more slaves – er i mean people.”

precisely

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

here’s a devious example of how Mrs. Walsh is a troubled con-artist: ”Presumably women are attracted to men who give the impression they will achieve status and prestige, thereby acquiring resources for future offspring.” There are far more women than men in college. Young women already out-earn most young men. The men young women sleep with don’t have cash. Women pay for these dudes stuff. I know one average-looking(but thin) woman aged 28 married to a 6’6” guy who hasn’t had a job for 10 years now, well he never had a job. She’s a doctor. I guess it was… Read more »

deti
deti
8 years ago

Good lord. All this back and forth about Susan Walsh and HUS. All you need to understand about the current iteration of Susan Walsh and HUS 3.0 is this. Susan opened HUS because she couldn’t understand why alpha fux and beta bux wasn’t working to get her focus group girls into relationships with “Handsome Dads”. HUS 1.0 was Cosmo lite. HUS 2.0 was Susan’s embrace of Game because she thought it would make all those beta guys she was hearing about attractive enough for her focus groupers. That wasn’t working because female attraction triggers turned out to be far less… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

upper middle class to upper class, coastal, socially liberal, etc. etc.

Socially, the ugliest people on the USA, from a midwesterner’s perspective

Adonis
Adonis
8 years ago

In retrospect, I realized my post came off as a bit harsh for you guys. I didn’t want to give the impression that any of you all should give up on life and cower away. Now that I think about it, there are some things you could do to find yourself girls to bang. Maybe not as easily as an attractive male, but you’ll get there eventually. Every guy I know who gets pussy and isn’t good looking always has some sort of niche he works on. I know three guys like this. One is a musician, one is a… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

When you know the truth,
girls just matter less to you anymore, bc they are not the idealistic treasure you thought they were (some embodiment of heavenly virtue)

narec
narec
8 years ago

How can they matter less? Pussy is literally the only thing that matters in this life. Who gives a fuck about your job, your incel “hobbies”, “travelling”.. All of those things are just used by attractive guys to get more pussy and mean nothing by themselves. your pointless games and movies are also another time sink, pissing away the tiny fraction of your lifespan where you’re physically capable of having sex. Please.

gregg
gregg
8 years ago

@ narec

when “pussy”…a piece of pissed meat, is the only thing that matters for you in this life…you are doomed by definition. Animals have to suffer. I call it … justice!

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”How can they matter less? Pussy is literally the only thing that matters in this life. Who gives a fuck about your job, your incel “hobbies”, “travelling”.. All of those things are just used by attractive guys to get more pussy and mean nothing by themselves. your pointless games and movies are also another time sink, pissing away the tiny fraction of your lifespan where you’re physically capable of having sex. Please.” Those are your hormones speaking. Many of the most powerful men in History have been Eunuchs. They ruled over millions of men(like in China), expanded or maintained vast… Read more »

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rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
7 years ago

Makes me wonder

ciaoangelo
7 years ago

I would say looks are important, the better looking you are the more “wiggle room” you have or less game you need. you can get away with some beta behavior early on… (in the early stages) When I was younger like in my mid to late 20s I would say I was a good looking dude, very athletic gym boy, not overly tall 5:10, very stylish designer dressed with the latest trends, I would always notice women looking and staring at me as I walked past a few heart beats longer then is “normal” a lot of girls HB8 AND… Read more »

anonimus
anonimus
5 years ago

Hi please tell me how to play the Game, after i have cheating and convince 3 years ago, for infidelity 4 years ago. My wife put down any intimacy and affection for 3 years, before that it was sexless LTR. We are together from 17 years, married from 10, 2 kids. I want to have fraim and game her, but….please advice
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ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

This is the best comment section I have read in the manosphere. @narec, your posts were succinct, well written and logically consistent. Obviously I agree with everything you said and for the reasons you said it. You were nothing short of exemplary. @Professor von Hardwigg, several of your post made me feel connected to your thought process. Especially your post on fake IOIs. It’s a very hard subject to tackle as it’s the precursor to initiating contact. Everyone takes it for granted, that if a woman makes eye contact, she likes you. But as you rightly pointed out women are… Read more »

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