Game and Circumstance

circumstance

“Don’t be mad E. It’s not our fault you were born without the sport fucking gene, come on.”

 

At the start of July, 2011 (a month before I began this blog in earnest) I took a backpacking trip through the Great Smokey Mountains in Tennessee and North Carolina. This was due to my desire to unplug, go off the grid and get back into the real face-to-face world. It was only for 10 days but well worth burning 10 days of PTO for.

It was an educational experience meeting people, most of whom have very little online presence beyond using Twitter or FaceBook occasionally. I didn’t have cell service for most of the hike. The people I met along the way, and I’ll put this politely, were “salt of the earth” people. Some were other hikers, others were people who lived and worked in the few surrounding communities. It was good to reaffirm my ability to survive on my own and realize that there is a whole world of Men out there who live well, far beyond the influence of “men” who’ve never mowed their own lawns, much less lived by their own wit in the country. Guys who build muscle by working outdoors, not in a gym. I met beautiful women who worked in small diners you’ll never hear of. I fished rivers and streams, for dinner some nights, and I saw fireflies for the first time (I grew up in southern California, it’s a novelty).

At some point I think Men need to get back to their primal natures, they need to embrace it fearlessly and without shame. We’re far too insulated by the Buffers of technology. Even the more belligerent rednecks I encountered still preferred to text their girlfriends and came off as pussified for doing so.

I guess what I’ve come to realize is that we tend to view what we ‘know’ about men and women from the experiences we have reported to us from all over the world on blogs, forums, the manosphere  – and I still endorse the purpose of it’s unwritten mission – however, this trip reaffirmed for me that there is no substitute for real interaction. Game will work equally well with the cute blonde serving coffee in a rural diner as it would with the club girl in NYC. Both are equally given to the same feminine fundamentals we’ve untangled about women in the ‘sphere for over a decade, but the one we tend to use as a female archetype is the typical club girl for our examples. Daisy Duke is still subject to hypergamy, she just applies it differently.

I’m not turning into Roosh, but I’m considering burning a couple months doing the entire Appalachian trail all the way to Maine.

In my day to day life I deal with a lot of rich men. Every patron or boss, every general manager I’ve dealt with for the past 15 years has been a millionaire. The primary owner of one of my liquor brand is that many times over. None of the “business friends” I shoot golf with have weeded their own lawns or installed a radiator in 20+ years. When I was on the trail I thought about how ridiculous it would be to see a guy like that or some PUA guru having to dig his own toilet and take a dump in the woods, or hoist his pack in a tree so the damn bears don’t eat the only food he’s got for the next 3 days. These guys are insulated.

I want to run, and fight, and fuck, as well as I deal with the ‘civilized’ things I do. Imagine a guy like Mystery wringing out the sweat and filth of his clothes in a stream somewhere. Now, that’s some funny shit.

Game and Circumstance

I start off with this today because this experience wasn’t just humbling, but it also taught me that what I experience day to day isn’t at all what a majority of men experience. My past, my N count, my 18 year marriage, and what I do professionally sets me apart in a way that I sometimes don’t appreciate or take into consideration when I’m advising men.

It’s also very humbling and affirming when I receive emails or comments from men living in countries I’ve only seen in pictures who nevertheless share a common male experience that reinforces many of the things I write about – but even within that commonality, I have to remember, my circumstance is not theirs.

I walk through a casino almost every day now and I see the same people. Not the fun glamour you see in commercials or ads about Las Vegas (that’s usually night promos), but the real people, the overweight, housekeeping and table crew, the geriatric spending their savings and social security on a hope they’ll win something significant, the desperate and the people just looking for distraction.

I walk by some of these men and think “how is Game going to help a guy like that?” While I do believe that Game is universally beneficial on many levels (primarily between the sexes, but not exclusively) there’s a point where that improvement is going to be limited by a guy’s circumstance, where he is in life and what he’s made of it so far. It’s a manosphere cliché now, but most men aren’t ready for the red pill. The red pill awareness is simply too much for them to accept within the context of their circumstances.

That circumstance isn’t based on age or a particular demographic, but Game is only going to be as liberating for a man in as far as he’s willing to accept it in terms of his own circumstance.

Not Just Sex

Game gets a lot of misconstrued criticism in that ignorant critics presume Game only ever equals PUA and that “those guys are only interested in fucking as many low self-esteem sluts as humanly possible.” It’s much more difficult for them to confront that Game is far more than this, and applicable within relationships, in the workplace (with women and men) and even in their family dealings.

That’s kind of a scary prospect for men comfortable in living within their own contexts and circumstance. Sport fucking isn’t what most men think it is because they’ve never experienced anything beyond serial monogamy, nor is it what most (80%+ Beta) men even have the capacity to actualize for themselves. But, as Game has evolved, it isn’t just about Spinning Plates, or sport fucking, it’s more encompassing than this.

Game is, or should be, for the everyman.

“He only wants me for sex” or “I need to be sure he’s interested in me and not just sex” are the admonishments of women who really have no introspective interest in how a majority of men really approach becoming intimate with women. Oh it makes for a good rationale when women finally “want to get things right” with a provider, but even the excuse belies a lack of how most men organize their lives to accommodate women’s schedules of mating.

Mostly to their detriment, the vast majority of men follow a deductive,but anti-seductive, Beta Game plan of comfort, identification, familiarity and patience with women in the hopes that what they hear women tell them is the way to their intimacy will eventually pan out for them. Their Beta Game plan is in fact to prove they “aren’t just in it for the sex” in order to get to a point of having sex with a particular woman.

I always find it ironic when men tell me that their deductive plan for getting after it with a woman is to prove he’s not actually trying to get after it with her. However, this is what most men’s Game amounts to; deductively attempting to move into a long term monogamy based on what women, saturated in a presumption of gender equalism, tell him he ought to expect from himself in order to align himself with her intimate interest.

I could use the term “appeasement”, but that’s not what most men want to call it. Most men call it being a better man (for her), better than “other guys” who wont align themselves accordingly. It becomes their point of pride in fact.

Male Long Term Security

Most men, average men – and I don’t mean that in a derogatory sense – want a form of security.

Most men are designed, perhaps bred, to be necessitous. To be sure , men need to be constant performers, constant qualifiers, in order to mitigate hypergamy. In the past, and to an extent now, this performance simply became a part of who he was as a man and didn’t require a constant effort, but increasingly, as male feminization has spread, men have been made to be necessitous of security.

I would say that desire for long term security differs significantly from women’s Beta Bucks side of hypergamy need since the drive to secure provisioning is an innate part of women’s firmware. The security average men need is rooted in a need for certainty in his ability to meet with a woman’s performance standards – and ultimately avoid feminine rejection.

In today’s feminine-centric social order, men are ceaselessly bombarded with masculine ridicule, ceaselessly reminded of their inadequacies, and endlessly conditioned to question and doubt any notion of how masculinity should be defined – in fact ridicule is the first response for any man attempting to objectively define it.

It’s this doubt, this constant consideration of his own adequacy to meet the shifting nature of women’s hypergamic drive, from which stems this need for security. The average man needs the certainty of knowing that he meets and exceeds a woman’s prerequisites in a social circumstance that constantly tells him he never will – and his just asking himself the question if he ever will makes him that much less of a man.

The average man will look for, or create his own rationales to salve this necessitousness. He’ll create his own ego in the image of what he thinks he embodies best as being “Alpha” or he’ll adopt the easy doctrines of equalism which tell him women and men are fundamentally the same rational actors and convince himself he’s not subject to the capricious whims of feminine hypergamy because men and women are more ‘evolved’ than that– but that nagging doubt will manifest when the right circumstances and right opportunities present themselves.

Changing Your Programming

I mention in the book that I am not a motivational speaker, I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be the self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not Rollo Tomassi’s success stories, but their own success stories.

That said, let me add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will, they can be masters of their circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.

With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions under which he operates and maneuvers.

You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.

You can unplug.

You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.

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gunslingergregi
gunslingergregi
8 years ago

@Tilikum
don’t become an alcoholic lolzlozlzolzolzolzozlzolzzz
that might kind of skew the experiment a bit

Tilikum
8 years ago

@gregi

nah im a happy drunk! good emotions all around.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Here’s an example of how height is the holy grail of what constitutes male beauty. Also pay attention to how she calls a 5’8” man to be short, when its the average in a lot of places(Spain being one example). Yes, he bedded her, and many others, probably due to his very likely prison record and anti-social personality. http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/2014/07/its-time-we-sent-all-short-men-to-the-gas-chambers/ I know of some guys who have a physical dislike for obese women, but I’ve never seen any man call out for the eradication of obese women. Not only would it signify killing off the majority of the female population in… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Tilikum’s post is a good example of normalfags who have no idea what it’s like to be ugly -he is condescending throughout -he uses the cliche “women can sense your weak mindset” that is complete bullshit. Women make assessments of guys within .1 seconds by physical appearance just like we do -he ignores his own advantages -he focuses on fixable, easy stuff like body fat -finally he makes a completely baseless statement that “women want ugly guys cause it makes them feel better”, despite this being contradicted by biology, society, culture, and the observations of anyone who’s left the house… Read more »

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@narec,re: “The aesthetics of a face are a delicate balance of many features”

All I am hearing from you guys on this issue is blah blah blah and there’s a hole in my bucket, in a whiny girl voice. Excuses why you aren’t doing something that YOU say should be done, is not merely defeatist it’s downright ignorant.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
8 years ago

This is no the point. The message of “game” is that you have TO DO something in order to have women. This is precisely the message feminine imperative wants you to believe. Men erected the fucking civilization in order to “earn” women. The truth is – If you are attractive YOU NEED NOT TO DO ANYTHING. You just fucking grab her and fuck her! She will do all the work for you. Of course when you want trophy chick then you have to do some things, but 7/8s will fuck you..provided you let them! And? Presumably if you were so… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Jf12: What am I supposed to? I go to the gym regularly, I put myself out there, but I still get treated like a second-class citizen socially and I get rejected by girls. I even started to abuse steroids, I’m so desperate. But the good-looking guys get all the attention and all the pussy. The same handsome players pumping and dumping girls that don’t even see me as human. Nothings changed, and this is almost 10 years of “self-improvement”. Self-improvement is usually a lot of placebo mixed in with a good dose of mental masturbation. The only guys that benefit… Read more »

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@Novaseeker, re: “It’s not a hard concept to understand.”

I agree. In fact, probably the bluest of blue pill doctrine is that you have to be a “better” man to get women to behave better. You have to be taller, handsomer, richer, nicer, lovier, bringer-flowerser, chorer-doerer, etc. When in fact what works is being a “worser” man: more selfish, more taking, more dark triad, if you can life with yourself that way.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Mate, IOIS don’t mean anything. They are tools women use subconsciously to attract free male attention. They pretend to be interested or they verbally/physically instigate a man to approach them, to pursue them, and then they reject the guy. I’m 5’7” an inch shorter than the average ’round here. I’m not obese – unlike the majority of men – and I have all of my hair. I haven’t been in my 20s since last year. Last year I was taking classes in a mostly female University, with a large percentage of those females coming from Germany, Sweden, Italy and so… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Sorry, i meant to say that the son Susan Walsh had is 5’6” and has spent more money on his current girlfriend than on his car. Mrs Walsh has claimed her son to have spent a lot of money on his girlfriend, and I loosely quote ”Vagina is expensive for men.”

Not for the men I grew up with.

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@narec, if you’re willing and able to abuse steroids then you should have no qualms getting hgh. It works better if you’re under 25, in which case the typical bodybuilder abuse level of hgh for only two months will alter your face quite a bit towards caveman: brow ridge, skull bumps, lumpy jaw buildup, etc. I agree self improvement to be a better man per se doesn’t help with women, because women are so broken. And literally good i.e. moral men also cannot be the most successful with women (sucess defined as more women doing more of what the man… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”What am I supposed to? I go to the gym regularly, I put myself out there, but I still get treated like a second-class citizen socially and I get rejected by girls. I even started to abuse steroids, I’m so desperate. But the good-looking guys get all the attention and all the pussy. The same handsome players pumping and dumping girls that don’t even see me as human. Nothings changed, and this is almost 10 years of “self-improvement”.” Men have the inborn quality to adapt to any given situation. Most men who lived, from the day Humanity showed up on… Read more »

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@PVH re: “She would rub herself against me for no reason at all.”

To pretend that you couldn’t close after this is ridiculous, frankly. You have a problem, clearly, and it’s not your attractiveness.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

narec,´ I know you’re going through a hard time. It is not easy as a young man to be surrounded by women who not only are far-better looking than any of the women who lived prior to the 20th century, but that you are constantly hounded by a media that aggressively pushes you to be sexually aroused all of the time, by showing placards above your head with women who are nearly naked, women in deodorant commercials being naked for no reason etc. It also doesn’t help that unless you are in one of the STEM areas or in medicine… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”To pretend that you couldn’t close after this is ridiculous, frankly. You have a problem, clearly, and it’s not your attractiveness.” Nah, she was an attention-seeking whore, like most of the women who are younger than 35. She did the same to a 33 year old guy who was bald, short and skinny, the guy also had messed-up teeth. Its impossible for a woman who is a 7, a natural blonde, and also with the potential to become a 9.5 to feel sexual attraction for a man who is in the low end of all that makes a man attractive(ugly… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

And the guy had no game. He didn’t speak much to her. It was only after she began to pay him attention that he opened the gates of the free attention. Its cute when I visit facebook and I begin a wall-conversation with the dude. She immediately sneaks herself into the conversation. Man, I know some guys who did hard drugs, but women take it to an extreme. I sorta pity the guy who’ll marry her.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Shit tests? Come on. Women put up a sexual resistance towards the men they aren’t interested on. When a woman is sexually attracted to a man – which rarely happens – she’s not going to miss the chance to get sex from the man who made her sexually turned on. When I was 23 I met a French 18 year old woman. She was 5’8” a natural blonde, with a very beautiful face and the biggest boobs any man had seen. She had even had surgery at the age of 17 to remove a large part of her breasts because… Read more »

Steve H
Steve H
8 years ago

Narec – if you have an antagonistic chip on your shoulder towards women (as opposed to some greater, more important adversary) – they can sense it, and that’s about the most unattractive thing in the universe for them. They don’t want to be with a guy who’s angry at women. Indifference is king, slight benevolence is even better. If you could, with genuine indifference, laugh off some chick’s (unusual, but it happens) brutal angry in-field rejection while saying ‘OK, OK (while laughing) have a good day’ and then walking off with a smile – that’s what I’m talking about. Can… Read more »

gregg
gregg
8 years ago

@novaseeker we are speaking about the same, I agree with you. But the following: “No-one who has ever advanced the usefulness of Game has ever said that looks do not matter, or that Game can get every man laid with an HB 10.” is not the truth. Rollo is one of the minority that accepts the importance of genetics – looks. Just try to go to roissy and tell that looks are important. You will be banned from comment section. Game – aka knowldege about how women operate, what is important for them, how to push for sex, etc. HELPS!… Read more »

Beauty Is Truth
Beauty Is Truth
8 years ago

I think the main reason guys lash out in such a way towards looks is because they’ve been told throughout their entire lives or “pick up” careers that looks don’t matter as much as game. Every man out there that games, goes after young women and in doing so, will inevitably come to the harsh (depending on your attractiveness) reality that looks do in fact matter. These truths are shunned throughout the pua-shpere and in some places of the manosphere. This is a dark truth that many PUAs don’t want to spread because it will lead to a loss of… Read more »

Beauty Is Truth
Beauty Is Truth
8 years ago

I forgot to mention that, as I’ve stated before, looks weight heavily into the “genuine desire” equation of things. Ugly guys will eventually find out that they’re entire courtship with women was on a transactional basis and not one of genuine desire. It’s a very uncomfortable truth to acknowledge. Does she deny you blowjobs, deny you some positions, doesn’t ride you hard, or puts less effort in general to sex with you? Well, you’re dealing with a girl who isn’t turned on by you physically. Some PUA said, “Your frame isn’t strong enough.” Pfft, yeah right. Think of it this… Read more »

DeNihilist
DeNihilist
8 years ago

Gregg – “If you are average and have game, etc…you can bed some women, sometimes even hot ones. If you make a lot of approaches, you can bed more of them.” Reminds me of Krauser – 1000 approaches and less then 30 closes sexually. The only iron clad rule of pua game is approach, approach, approach! Get over your fear of rejection, and Approach! Of course, if you can get over that fear of rejection, then you may start to see a difference in other parts of your life as well. Confidence, not taking shit anymore, etc. But basically, pua… Read more »

deti
deti
8 years ago

Rollo: Selected Susan quotes from the thread: “The guys here are a huge plus. I consider the male POV invaluable and informative. I also feel quite fond of most of the commenters here.” “I’m pretty sure [my son] doesn’t read Roissy himself. He does own The Game, and I’ve discussed Game with him many times. I think he hasn’t fully explored it because he’s relatively happy with his lot right now. If his relationship were to end, my guess is he’d be all over it. He is a person who has overcome shyness, Game would serve him well. He does… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

haha, I do enjoy reading the hooking-up blog for kicks and giggles. A year or so ago she claimed most of the sexual interaction going on between college women and college men were had in hook-ups settings and that women needed to affirm their desire for a relationship, instead of only acting as a plate or a one-night stands. Now she says the hook-up culture doesn’t exist, that most people in college are in relationships and happy. Then she claims women mate with the highest-value male they can get(which kinda tells their husbands they are only with them because they… Read more »

deti
deti
8 years ago

Something tells me that particular HUS thread will be disappeared very soon…..

New Yorker
New Yorker
8 years ago

Know plenty of average looking guys whose confidence makes it easy for them to interact with women. Some have relationships, others sleep around, but none of them are worried about the hypothetical Adonis taking away their women. They are too busy living their lives and not worrying about rejection. Would advise everyone else to do the same.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

its not hard to interact with women. Its getting them to sleep with the guy that is hard, and with so many betas throwing their sausages at women, via facebook,twitter, AIM, and in real life, most women are going to be quite picky. Nothing wrong about that.What’s annoying is how women see you having a decent life and expect you to date them or to take them seriously. Why should any man pay a woman in the form of a relationship, or even attention, when the vast majority of the female lot are Alpha’s sloppy seconds.

SD1786
SD1786
8 years ago

Rollo, This post touched on something very close to home for me. Before taking the red pill about 5 years ago, and after suffering my first (and at this point only) LJBF rejection during my senior year of college, I took it upon myself to initiate my own right of passage. I had already been backpacking for a while, but I decided to go out and start to do it solo…and during the winter. I would climb icy peaks wearing crampons, snowshoe down steep snowy trails, for days at a time, entirely aware that if I fucked up, being alone… Read more »

Exfernal
Exfernal
8 years ago

“She has a boyfriend” and is sending IOIs your way anyway. Translation: “Only a quick romp possible, does not want to rope you in for a relationship.”

Nothing complicated, Herr Professor.

stuttie
8 years ago

@ narec ***”girls don’t shit test good looking guys, other than some playful teasing. They make things easy, and streamline the process from meeting to sex.”*** Read this then come back to me……. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/?s=shit+tests and this http://www.rooshv.com/8-signs-youre-a-game-denialist @ jf12 ****Therefore I disagree with this: “If they shit test you they are interested.And similarly I disagree with this: “They never make it easy.” A shit-test is designed to spurn a man, to make him feel deflated, *because* she’s not interested. Women are so weird, however, that she may change into being interested within mere minutes. As soon as she becomes interested,… Read more »

stuttie
8 years ago

@Rollo – I think Roosh is an authority on the ‘do muscles matter’ debate because he’s approached many thousands of women all over the globe and has field-tested so many aspects of Game. Now whilst Roosh looks fit, he’s certainly not muscular. But he gets quality poon all the time. We all know you lift Rollo, as do I. I lift because it makes me feel great and as a by-product, that gives me added confidence in most social situations. I set high standards for my physical appearance and the dedication and hours I put in at the gym ‘sometimes’… Read more »

Steve H
Steve H
8 years ago

If you regard yourself as too thin and merely want to look muscular in a shirt:

-Go to Amazon and buy the top-rated creatine powder for about 8 bucks. Take it with fruit juice 2x per day for a week
-Do bicep curls every day for a week using at least 25-lb dumbbells

You’ll notice a difference.

-Now, reduce the creatine to 1x/day, Do the bicep curls 5x/week, and keep this up for 3 more weeks.

You’re welcome.

jacklabear
jacklabear
8 years ago

A comment for the frustrated – Just thought I’d point out to the men who are having trouble getting together with women that although you can’t please all the people all the time, most men can please some women some of the time. There is a lot of individual variation in women, and speaking in generalities like I have seen here can be unhelpful. Many women have some attractive qualities. So don’t get hung up on a rigid list of requirements like some kind of entitled prince and go for any reasonably attractive woman who responds to your advances. You… Read more »

Beauty Is Truth
Beauty Is Truth
8 years ago

Roosh is, for the most part, correct in his assumption that the US is heading towards a SMP which upholds aesthetics above all. As stated here and in many other manosphere blogs, a women’s sexual strategy is dualistic (i.e.Alpha Fuk and Beta bucks). Currently, Betas are being shunned from receiving a girl’s pussy and that’s simply because the provisionary of beta males has been removed almost completely. This is either by the government, the girl’s family, and/or her own job. The only thing that’s left for women to do, inorder to fulfill her hypegamic drive, is to pursue men who… Read more »

Beauty Is Truth
Beauty Is Truth
8 years ago

Almost forgot to mention but you can see there’s a woman who comments on the video and she hits the nail right on the head. Here’s what she says: “RooshV, big guys give the sense of physical security and comfort for a woman and protection. So it is normal for women to like big tall guys. Women ALWAYS cared how a man looks, because this is a signal for good genes ! Yes of course we can tell if the guy is soft or firm and fit, regardless of size. ” If you look for it, you’ll find that some… Read more »

stuttie
8 years ago

I don’t want to turn this forum into a body building forum but it’s topic relevant…my routine (developed over 10 years) If you want mass quickly (8-12 weeks) – free weight & compound exercises people. With little to no resting between sets and w good form Superset (3 x 8-10 reps) Flat or incline Bench with squats or leg press, military presses with deadlifts or lat pull downs, preacher curls (always) with dips or skull crushers. If don’t live near or can’t afford a gym – pushups, dips, tractor tyre flips, squats, burpees etc Shouldn’t take longer than 30 min… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

@ Rollo Tomassi July 10th, 2014 at 7:26 pm

Muscles. Matter. ITs that simple! And this needs to be pounded into mens’ heads to give people like possible Eliot Rodgers a way to improve themselves.

Ill say it again –

Muscles. Matter.

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@stuttie, re: “But if she stays there and shit tests – you she likes you.”

I know this is wrong because basically all women shit tested me my whole life, and only the ones who like me, or rather want to communicate that they like me, don’t.

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

Hey Rollo, I know you are not a fan of Carl Jung. However, Jung said something a long time ago that is important – From his book, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, “…You think your young girls marry European husbands because they are ambitious for titles. I say it is because, after all, they are not different from the, European girls; they like the way European men make love, and they like to feel we are a little dangerous. They are not happy with their American husbands because they are not afraid of them. It is natural, even though it is archaic,… Read more »

monetary and health benefits of game
monetary and health benefits of game
8 years ago

Rollo, the knowledge on your website has gotten me over $50,000 in gifts from a girl that previously treated me like shit who now worships me. Game really does work! I am sitting at my desk drinking a cocktail that was made in a $2,300 silver cocktail shaker I got as a gift from her. I get gifts like this on a monthly basis and I don’t even work, she pays for everything and has bought me the most expensive shit you could ever imagine even selling her previous boyfriends gifts to pay for them. I have never even spent… Read more »

Thug
Thug
8 years ago

@Rollo, your a gentleman for sure, but i think your throwing pearls to swine on this topic. This isnt about looks, height or Alpha/Beta. This is the age old “should i sit hear in my puddle of piss and whine or should i do something about it. History is replete with example of men who have overcome great obsticles to become successful. Experience tells us that most men would rather drag other down.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
8 years ago

“Cute girls will shit test good looking guys all the time.” Obviously you don’t know many good looking guys. I’m friends with a good looking guy who has zero game, if anything he has negative game and yet I have had to physically forcefully remove a woman (stranger) from my car when he was with me. Women leave notes on his windshield, strangers pretend he has dropped something and give him notes with their numbers and the offer of sex, he gets free sex at strip joints, women try to pick him up at traffic lights etc. Invariably I get… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Steve H: “Narec – if you have an antagonistic chip on your shoulder towards women (as opposed to some greater, more important adversary) – they can sense it, and that’s about the most unattractive thing in the universe for them. They don’t want to be with a guy who’s angry at women. Indifference is king, slight benevolence is even better.” This is an extremely irrational, yet common theory proposed by proponents of game. Anyone with a microgram of red pill in them knows that it is complete garbage. Women do not have extrasensory perception. They may pay more attention to… Read more »

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@Nathan, I first read that Jung quote on Rollo about a year ago and didn’t believe it at the time. But I surely do believe it now.

It’s not necessary to be all that muscular, btw. You do NOT have to be able to dominate other men. You merely have to look and move as if you are strong enough to chase her down and dominate her while leaving one of your hands free. Like in Rollo’s embedded video (is that Roosh?).

Jeremy
Jeremy
8 years ago

I think it’s been said before…

For women, your looks will win or lose the battle for you. They are your lure, hook, line, sinker, and pole.

For men, your looks will almost never win the battle but you can certainly lose it instantly with poor appearance. Your looks are just your bait, don’t let it get stale, your game is your hook.

Edgar Rice Burroughs
8 years ago

Good points raised by all, but I feel that Rollo has covered this ground many times. Few or no one is saying that looks (including height) don’t matter. Of course, being taller is better. Of course, being wealthy or successful is better. Looks. Power. Game. It all matters. And each one helps. If you spend time with your eyes open, you are well aware of the advantages taller men have. But I have also met shorter men that did not “seem” short. And as a shorter guy, I try to pay attention to why that is. You have to do… Read more »

agent p
agent p
8 years ago

@Beauty is truth. Re: Attraction is not a choice. I thought it actually went along the lines of: Arousal is not a choice. There is a big difference between Attraction and Arousal. Attraction is subject to both conscious and subcouncsious factors. It can go from looks, to social standing, to wealth, how one is dressed, the ability to speak etc. Many of these factors can be malleable, meaning shaped and managed by men and are also context specific. The guy who looks hot in a Yoga class may look was out of context in say a corporate setting, due to… Read more »

Beauty Is Truth
Beauty Is Truth
8 years ago

@agent p Primal attraction always outweighs the arousal factor. Simply put: Arousal gets her ready for sex, but attraction is what goes on in her mind during sex. A guy doesn’t need to be necessarily good looking in order to arouse her. Touching her after meeting her minimal physical requirements can arouse her sufficiently. But true attraction is innate and if it wanes too much, she’ll seek it out elsewhere. There’s a reason why even if a girl doesn’t feel heavy attraction for a guy, she can still get wet for him via arousal. I know this is a very… Read more »

Ben
Ben
8 years ago

@Beauty Is Truth

“you can take rape into consideration here”

No, you can’t.

Lubrication during unwanted intercourse is a mechanism that evolved as a protection against vaginal injury during rape. It is most definitely *not* a sign of arousal.

Basic acquaintance with human physiology is a useful thing before one launches into wild speculations on sex and its whereabouts.

narec
narec
8 years ago

Professor Von Hardwiggs: “only to witness women who ”had a boyfriend” or ”weren’t ready for anything yet” blow one of my buddies in some seedy street corner, lol.” This is what I’m talking about. This is what has me completely converted the red pill. I honestly wish my eyes hadn’t been opened this. I’m talking about finding out from my good-looking friends type of whorish, sluttish things girls they just met did for them. Public sex, bathroom blowjobs, unprotected anal sex with a lube. It’s fucking crazy, it’s like straight from hard-core porn. “Life imitates art” indeed, heh? Of course… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

*without lube

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up..
Its true man. Imagine when the guy has clout like is an athlete, etc.
They live in a different universe.
What makes me ill is that the beautiful economically dominate us to the point of neofeudal slavery.
I’m young. No young people can play off their student loans.
The youth are fucked.
College is NO panacea. It is debt slavery

Steve H
Steve H
8 years ago

The defeatism here is unnecessary and counter-productive. If you resolve to put in the inner and outer work, couple with social awareness and red-pill knowledge, you can get 7s and 8s. You really don’t think a guy can go from getting zero action and zero interest to being the most attractive, sought-after guy at many a social function? I’m living proof. Girls had zero interest in me until I was almost 30. The thing is: I changed. I made myself become the best I could be. And the rest is history. So yeah – I do in fact have a… Read more »

Richard
Richard
8 years ago

it always amuses me that game is talked about as if it’s something new, or something that has to be learned. Game is as old as mankind itself. Game is a salesmen in the 50s going door to door. Game is stock brokers getting rich off new clients, game is a guy wowing a girl in the 20s with a diamond ring. Game has never really changed. Men seek comfort, peace and sanctuary. A part of that sanctuary is a well heeled feminine element, because it is demanding, stressful and somewhat risky just going sport fucking for the sake of… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up.. Its true man. Imagine when the guy has clout like is an athlete, etc. They live in a different universe. What makes me ill is that the beautiful economically dominate us to the point of neofeudal slavery. I’m young. No young people can play off their student loans. The youth are fucked. College is NO panacea. It is debt slavery” I remember meeting women who were claiming to be waiting for that Christian good man to marry… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”How are we supposed to function like this? I mean, having the girls interact with on a day-to-day basis being bitchy and stuck up to you, but just last weekend she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up..” I know, bro. It is dysfunctional as hell. You’re expected to treat women with respect and love and kindness when the vast majority of them(only the truly hideous women aren’t Alpha males sloppy seconds) would treat you like trash in front of an Alpha male just for… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

”If they did have these powers, don’t you think they would sense had to Bundy was planning to kill them and cut them into pieces and not trust him and go with him? You’re telling me they can detect bitterness but not murderous intent? How convenient, it’s always the guys fault isn’t it?” All women are naturally submissive to good-looking men. They released some footage from the hotel that Dutch serial-killer was living in while he was killing young women, and the women in question were following him like puppies. The guy was nearly 7 feet tall, had a model’s… Read more »

Edgar Rice Burroughs
8 years ago

The comments conflict on an issue I’ve always wondered about. Do “hawt” guys or alphas get shit tested? If a woman is aroused by your physical appearance, does she still shit test? Rollo, what is the answer to this? I’m not good looking or a naturally alpha and I’ve always wondered.

Steve H
Steve H
8 years ago

The thing that confuses me (and bear with me Rollo, I know this isn’t a PUA blog per se) – are you guys getting to a firm ‘no’? Or are you asking permission overtly or covertly or some shit like that? Either Get To Yes or Get To No. Let it be known to the chick that you want to fuck her. Do think you have the capacity to obscure your own fear of rejection? You do not. I think a lot of you aren’t getting to no, you’re trying to shroud your intentions and/or you’re butthurt when a chick… Read more »

caprizchka
8 years ago

Not that anyone here will believe me but there are plenty of women who have “ugly guy” fantasies but he had better be dominant. An ugly guy who is self-deprecating is repulsive. Of course he needs to have good posture, a steady gaze, and reasonable physical health (and smell like testosterone!) but the guy who can unapologetically and authoritatively tell a woman what to do and how to please him will attract a pleaser who will gain self-satisfaction by being the best pleaser she can be. If she likes herself with him because of the feedback she gets from him… Read more »

George Meeks
George Meeks
8 years ago

AFC…AFC….AFC….AFC….

Everything here reeks of PW & AFC. Are your “little heads” the boss of your “big heads”?

George Meeks
George Meeks
8 years ago

More qualifications provided by caprizchka. If you’re an ugly AFC man, maybe you could qualify, check her list, do you measure up? Is there hope here? Do you fit her protocol?

FYI Caprizchka NO male really WANTS to fuck an ugly chick. They ONLY do it out of desperation.

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

let me spell it out for you. and tell you are built (jacked) you are beta

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

until you are built

Michael
Michael
8 years ago

@Narec You may not believe my post but it is 100% factual. I am 5′ 4″, 29. 125 pounds, average build, white. I am a software programmer in Dallas, right now in Asia on work. I have an average face. I have a colleague, 27, – redhead – who is very very sexy. She is 5′ 6″, drives a sports car, loves sports. There’s a wealthy guy 6′ 2″ who probably makes at least 200 grand a year with a crush on her. She’s shown me several of the emails he has sent her. When I joined, I was just… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
8 years ago

Narec, here’s another woman confirming what you believe in: ”My younger sister was dating a Beta guy who would do anything and everything for her (they are both teenagers). At first he seemed Alpha because he got a lot of female attention, but once he started dating her, all that changed. She quickly switched from being infatuated with him to near hating him. She complained that she cheated on him by making out with several other guys, and that he didn’t care (clearly angry at his Beta-tude). Then she escalated things by having sex with other guys. However, he continued… Read more »

Fringed
Fringed
8 years ago

Red pill musings from Fringed:

1. Never implicitly trust a woman.
2. Never implicitly trust a professional politician.
3. Never implicitly trust a professional christian, or pastor.

4. Do trust Jesus Christ as your Savior.

Retrenched
Retrenched
8 years ago

Great post. The last paragraph way well be the best you’ve ever written.

tarzanwannabe
tarzanwannabe
8 years ago

Ok, so “game” then. Point me there, please? Links, sources, advice, step #1 etc….

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@tarzan, Michael told you how to game: “I was always carefree with a lot of sexual talk. I really didn’t think I had a chance, so didn’t give a shit.”

Approach *now*, right now, not some “better” time. Sexualize instantly, escalating from the start, and don’t expect too much about the end result. You’ll quickly get to either yes or no, and if no then you get to move on quickly.

Mark Minter
8 years ago

Bear with me; this does have relevance to the post and this blog in general. I just finished watching “Camelot”, the musical based on King Arthur, the knights of the round table and all that. So I did a touch of background research. This particular version of the story on which “Camelot” is based is an adaptation to the original version of Arthur, the warrior king from Wales who united all of Britain. The original version was all about Arthur. The subsequent versions, The Round Table stuff, Guinevere, Lancelot, dominated this subsequent edition from the later 12th century. And it… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

Mike Winter: may I suggest you keep your posts shorter because no one is going to read all that. Just post a link to the website for those that are interested Martin: Congratulations on the lay I can say that once I also had a fling with a pretty girl. She was significantly better looking than me, and I figured I had zero chance with her because she literally told me straight up that my face lacked masculinity when I met her. Then a few months later she contacted me out of the blue and showed up at my place… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

*sorry Michael, not Martin

Kate
Kate
8 years ago

I thank you sincerely for your comment, jacklabear, and agree those are a lot of plusses. To be quite honest, a far better deal than many will find. I would be honored to help if I could: follow the bread crumbs 🙂

Beauty Is Truth
Beauty Is Truth
8 years ago

Have a look at this image: http://oi58.tinypic.com/rqvos9.jpg

Some things pop up for me as I look at it: Hypergamy, Biomechanics, Sexual Market Value, and The Feminine Imperative.

Care to name some more?

xsplat
8 years ago

holisticgame wrote: Now as I look back within the context of Rollo’s quote, it’s clear that much of my life’s energy has been expended trying to fill that bottomless basket. I’m sure that’s also true of many of the men here. The outside behaviors and skills can always improve, but the core around which they revolve – the belief that I AM ENOUGH – must be firm in order to achieve true and lasting success. I vehemently disagree with the entirety of this sentiment. It denies basic, foundational and fundamental, evolutionarily programmed and pre-programmed socio-biological behavior. Humans DO have psychological… Read more »

xsplat
8 years ago

Rollo wrote:

With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions under which he operates and maneuvers.

This is why the “irrational self confidence” self-hypnotic confidence boosting approach is so pernicious. Because it is a deliberate lie as to a mans true conditions. A short term confidence boost that can easily become a life destroying mental habit, in the long run.

narec
narec
8 years ago

All this “love yourself and people will love you” crap is complete garbage pushed by people selling self help books or those delusional about their own advantages. No rational guy believes in this. I’d expect it coming out of some stupid Cosmo magazine for girls rather than a serious manosphere discussion.

xsplat
8 years ago

Narec said: All this “love yourself and people will love you” crap is complete garbage pushed by people selling self help books or those delusional about their own advantages. No rational guy believes in this. I’d expect it coming out of some stupid Cosmo magazine for girls rather than a serious manosphere discussion. A persons vibe does have a social influence. Even towards sexual attraction. And that influence can be quite large. Like many here, I agree that looks count for a lot. But I’m 5’8″ and quite balding and 99% of the time any nightclub I go into I… Read more »

xsplat
8 years ago

correction: I was able to have modest success in the US, and have a long history of having medium term (6 month to 4 year) serial and parallel relationships with women several points above my attractiveness here in SEA. And the impact of self-love on relationships can be quite big – a warm paternal vibe is sexy. I’m all for developing self love. But to imply that this is some sort of substitute for sexual love or that humans are not fundamentally at their core socially interdependent is a philosophical flaw that is so far outside of reality as to… Read more »

xsplat
8 years ago

Napolean said:

As brutal as it sounds, short men where born to lose in the SMP. That’s just the way it is.

Have you noticed any short sexy girls in this world? I have. I’ve even found entire villages full of little people. If you are short there are areas of the world where you are no longer short. In SEA it’s easy to find very attractive girls under 5 feet tall.

The challenge of height can be overcome, if you can overcome many other challenges, such as developing a portable income.

Badpainter
8 years ago

xsplat- “You can’t just ‘accept yourself’. No amount of self love will fulfill your socio-sexual needs. There is no loving kindness meditation nor masturbation nor anything one can do alone that fulfills the very real need MOST men DO have for loving sexual relations with real live women.”

That’s an excellent point.

But hypegamy, and therefore women, don’t give a shit. There’s no such thing as true love, women can’t fill that void the best they can do is create the illusion.

xsplat
8 years ago

There’s no such thing as true love, women can’t fill that void the best they can do is create the illusion. So what? You work with what you got. If love is illusory, know that precisely, and work with that illusion. When two people work with that illusion, the illusion is perfectly real enough. So what that it doesn’t last? So what the she doesn’t love you in the same way as you love her? A thousand so whats. Get to the point and milk the situation for what IS real. Oxytocin rich flow moments, ecstasy, bliss, sex, warm contentedness.… Read more »

narec
narec
8 years ago

xsplat.. No offense but you’re basically a sex tourist in Vietnam or Thailand or at best one of those Happier Abroad expats that had to travel thousands of miles just to get a chance with halfway decent girls. I’m NOT saying it’s not a viable strategy, and is probably the smartest thing to do, but you’re in no position to be lecturing us with blue pill ideas about western girls.

Badpainter
8 years ago

xsplat,

Just so long as your not selling the lie as truth I agree. I don’t mind illusions so long as I’m not expected to believe they are real. The best way to get me to suspend my disbelief is by not overselling it.

The One Reason
The One Reason
8 years ago

A guy of European extraction in SE Asia is a foot above the local guys by default in terms of SMV status (usually even literally heightwise), so much of success there goes back to the issue of looks and status. 2 cents. Good to see the importance of looks and (physical) frame get its due in the comments. The attitude and self-confidence is of little use unless the girl is even partially open to your approach — as induced by immediate physical attraction. (Saturation cold-approaching is of course one solution to that.) God knows, as I’ve got a master-class in… Read more »

caprizchka
8 years ago

@George Meeks:”More qualifications provided by caprizchka. If you’re an ugly AFC man, maybe you could qualify, check her list, do you measure up? Is there hope here? Do you fit her protocol?” Why would you care? I’m an old hag and a weirdo besides. “FYI Caprizchka NO male really WANTS to fuck an ugly chick. They ONLY do it out of desperation.” Then there are a whole lot of desperate men unable to control themselves. I know “an ugly chick” who lives with two men and has a third on the side. Do I care? No. I don’t speak for… Read more »

caprizchka
8 years ago

@narec: “Most girls have simply too many options to select for any but classically handsome men..” Translation: most girls who you approach… There’s probably a whole world of girls who you don’t even notice or wouldn’t dream of approaching. “the only possibility I could see would be an allowance for “ugly masculine”, caveman looking dudes like Vladimir Klitschko.” Not my type. I’m more of a Danny Trejo aficionada. “But still, dominant behavior has nothing to do with it. Women (and men) will not accept dominant behavior from guys who have beta facial features and small frames. It’s incongruent.” Harder to… Read more »

Michael
Michael
8 years ago

@ Narec It was not my intention to portray myself as ‘an authority on game’. I merely wanted to point out that it is not the end of the world to be short or ugly or without great muscles. Sure, we may not get the top-shelf hotties, but attracting a decent 6 or 7 is not impossible. I’m almost 30, I’ve been with 9 girls so far in the 5 – 7 looks range (mostly 6). I love tall blonde chicks but I know how difficult it can be to attract them. As an experiment, I spent 2 months some… Read more »

water cannon boy
water cannon boy
8 years ago

Regarding the video Muscle’s help but I can think of circumstances where it may not matter. If a girl is drawn to a guy because of his physique, say a college girl, She may want to get with him mainly based on looks. But if she is someone who either knows or has been with athletes, if she sees this guy do something and he comes across as really uncoordinated, then the muscles he had that she was drawn to may not matter. She’ll compare him to a guy with muscles who came do, and now see this guy as… Read more »

xsplat
8 years ago

Narec; “lecturing blue pill ideas about western girls”? That’s what you took from my comments huh? When you wrench your attention away long enough from the fact that I’m in SEA?

You’re not good at listening or assimilating new ideas, are you?

You’re just talking your feewings out. And you don’t feewl like taking any action. You’re all justification and rationalization for your poor conditions.

When people poke holes in your world view you just paper up the holes, or dissimulate.

eon
eon
8 years ago

About this (from a comment above): http[]//thoughtcatalog[]com/anne-gus/2014/07/its-time-we-sent-all-short-men-to-the-gas-chambers/
.

Anne Gus, http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/ , writes satire.

The more obvious ones are also funny:

http[]//thoughtcatalog[]com/anne-gus/2014/07/i-was-catcalled-by-an-actual-cat-and-it-was-terrifying/

http[]//thoughtcatalog[]com/anne-gus/2014/07/drinking-coffee-is-racist/

eon
eon
8 years ago

P.S.

I wasn’t trying to say anything against the commenter above.

“It’s time we sent all short men …” could have easily been a serious article, on a feminist site.

I just wanted to mention that Anne uses satire to make Manosphere points in a clever and entertaining way.

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jf12
jf12
8 years ago

I wonder about the mentality of the spate of commenters who write contradictory things about attractiveness and game. In each of several cases, they mentioned getting together with one or more attractive women but *dismissed* that experience as proving nothing since some other women turned them down.

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@narec re: “Women (and men) will not accept dominant behavior from guys who have beta facial features and small frames. It’s incongruent.”

Women will not, but men will. Bill Gates is an exemplar. In fact, so far from being atypical I say it is the *usual* situation is for the big dumb guy to accept dominant behavior from his smaller smarter boss “Yes, boss.”

jf12
jf12
8 years ago

@caprizchka re: “will attract a pleaser who will gain self-satisfaction by being the best pleaser she can be.”

Where is this unicorn? Is she at the other end of the rainbow?

narec
narec
8 years ago

If you’re referring to me, I explained that even I “lucked out” once, but the other 999 approaches were instant rejections, so obviously my “game” wasn’t enough then.. It would be like deducing that since a few guys have won the lottery, then playing the lottery is an effective way to become a millionaire. Meanwhile Michael gets backturned by most hot girls during his “experiment” with a few humoring him with platonic conversation, and he comes away from this as a learning experience that has improved his game, instead of the obvious conclusion, that the girls find him UGLY and… Read more »

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