As I wrote in Controlling Interests, the secrecy previously necessary for hypergamy and women’s pluralistic sexual strategy is rapidly being replaced with not just a new, overt, social openness about it, but a flaunting, triumphalism about how men are expected to embrace this new openness about it.
These would be the boys / men who would be taught to “naturally” defer to the authority of women under the auspices of a desire to be an equal partner.
These are the men raised privately and created socially to be ready for women, “when it comes time to settle down, and find someone who wants an equal partner.”
These would be the men ready to expect and accept a woman’s proactive cuckoldry of him in the name of being a pro-feminine equal.
These are the men raised to accept an open form of hypergamy in place of the selling to an old-order Beta provisioning model.
As in this Red Robin commercial, it’s gotten to the point now that the Feminine Imperative is comfortable in ridiculing men for not already being aware of the Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks dynamic of hypergamy, as well as ridiculing them for going along with it anyway.
The expectation that men should already know this dynamic and be ready to accept it, and commit himself to it, engenders genuine shock when a man deviates from that script. As we found with the story of the Spreadsheet Guy a couple weeks ago, the anger female commenters expressed over his logging his wife’s excuses for turning him down sexually was not due to his actions, but rather what those actions represented for the greater whole of men.
Women’s indignation over this was rooted in a Beta man not already being aware of the role he was expected to play. The new order fem-groupthink presumes that any guy who follows the old order socio-sexual contract should already know he’s been cast as a dutiful, providing Beta — he follows the prepared script for the guy who responsibly proves he’s a ‘better man’ for having forgiven her sexual indiscretions with prior Alpha’s and accepting the role of being relegated to being her emotional supporter and hand-holder. And all of this after she’s had her “self-discovery” and know who “she really is.”
Genies and Bottles
This expectation of men being preconditioned to follow a feminine-primary social order is not just limited to women’s expectations. We’ve progressed to the point that blue pill men are becoming vocal advocates for this same acceptance of open hypergamy.
Under the dubious pretense of concern for the general lack of gallant, chivalry and Beta Bucks-side provisioning women are entitled to – in spite of women’s embrace of open hypergamy – these watered down ‘purple pill’ “Dating Coaches” suffer from the same shock and indignation that a woman, somewhere, might not be given her life’s due of having a dutiful Beta awaiting to fulfill the provisioning side of her sexual strategy when her SMV begins to decay in earnest.
In a feminine centric social order, even men must be strong advocates for open hypergamy, and essentially their own proactive cuckoldry. That a woman may be better prepared than most Beta men to provide for her own security is never an afterthought – their sales pitch is the same old-order lie that women will reciprocate intimately for a man’s good nature and virtuous respect for the feminine if he’ll only accept open hypergamy.
But Spreadsheet Guy went off the reservation, “how dare he keep track of his wife’s sexual frequency!” The general anger is rooted in his ‘not getting‘ the social convention that sex (for consummate Beta providers) “tapers off after marriage”, but if he would just Man Up and fall back into his supportive, pre-established role, and learn to be a better, more attentive ‘man’ for his wife, she would (logically) reciprocate with more sex.
For what it’s worth, the men women want to fuck wouldn’t keep track of sexual frequency because the dread of missing out on a sexual opportunity with a desirable Alpha is usually enough to ensure frequency. Alpha Men wouldn’t complain about sexual frequency, they simply move on to a new woman. Beta’s complain about sexual frequency because they are expected to know and accept (now via open hypergamy) that they will never get the type of sex their women had with the Alphas before them, but are led to believe they would get (and better) if they commit to a woman’s provisioning.
Nobody marries their ‘best sex ever':
According to a recent study by iVillage, less than half of wedded women married the person who was the best sex of their lives (52 percent say that was an ex.) In fact, 66 percent would rather read a book, watch a movie or take a nap than sleep with a spouse.
Amanda Chatel, a 33-year-old writer from the East Village, says, “With the men I’ve loved, the sex has been good, sometimes great, but never ‘best.’ It’s resulted in many orgasms and was fun but, comparatively speaking, it didn’t have that intensity that comes with the ‘best’ sex.
“I knew [my best sex partner] was temporary, and so the great sex was the best because the sex was the relationship,” she adds. “We didn’t have to invest in anything else.”
As you can see here, the incremental problem that advocates of the ‘Man Up and accept your duty to open hypergamy’ meme will find is that reconciling the old-order social contract they need to balance hypergamy will become increasingly more difficult as example after example like this become more evident and more commonplace.
These ‘Dating Coaches’ are hocking advice from the perspective of an old-order social contract for men, in order to reconcile the well earned, well deserved consequences women are now suffering as a result of a new-order, feminine-primary social contract that has embraced unrestrained hypergamy.
Getting the Best of Her
Another link had been making the rounds in the manosphere a few weeks ago, and at the risk of just adding my own voice to the chorus I thought I’d dissect it a bit. You can have a read of the original “advice column” here, but I think the quotes will pretty much tell the story. Emphasis my own:
Dear Carolyn:
After multiple relationships not working out because both parties were dishonest in one way or another, I decided to use a new approach to my current relationship. I am 23, met my current boyfriend (also 23) online, and decided to be COMPLETELY HONEST.
This was meant to mostly cover my feelings, as I tended to hold things in unhealthily, but I let it fold over to all aspects, including the disclosure of my sexual history. I have now learned this was a mistake.
Not to make any Beta leaning guy even more depressed, but I read this and couldn’t help but see how the Sheryl Sandberg ‘open hypergamy’ model is only going to aggravate more and more unplugged / red pill aware Betas.
Think about how disenfranchised that dutiful Beta is going to be when he is flat out told to his face by a woman, he was conditioned to believe would appreciate his unique old order appeal, that he’ll never be getting the ‘sexual best’ he believed his wife would have waiting for him in marriage. It’s one thing to read article after article detailing the triumphant aspects of a new open hypergamy, and it’s one thing to see it blatantly used in commercial advertising, but it’s quite another to experience it firsthand, viscerally, in your face.
Besides the fact that she’s had multiple “relationships” at age 23, I find it interesting that she’s recognized this ‘openness’ as a mistake. Not a mistake with regards to her own choices, but rather a mistake in feeling comfortable enough to lay bear her sexual strategy for a guy who should expects should already be “accepting of who she is.”
Compare the open hypergamy model with the guy from Saving the Best:
I am so fucking lucky. I got married to a whore, that fucks like a prude.
In feminine-primary society men are constantly and publicly demonized as the ‘manipulator’. The default is to assume men are the one’s to watch out for. Men are the sex with the most dishonest nature with the most to gain sexually by playing games to trick women into believing they’re something they’re not in order to fuck them and leave them.
This presumptions is really a generalized social convention that builds a foundation for more specific social conventions women need in order to exercise feminine-primary control with men and culture on whole. It’s actually a rudimentary convention that’s easy to accept for women since feminine hypergamy has evolved a subconscious ‘vetting’ mechanism into most women’s psyches.
While it’s giggly and entertaining for women to categorize men into Cads and Dads, the irony of their doing so is that this only highlights women’s life-long patterns of deception and the manipulation efforts necessary to effecting their own dualistic sexual strategy.
That sexual selection ‘firmware’, the one which predisposes women on a limbic level to evaluating mating options of short term breeding opportunities (Alpha Fucks) with parental investment opportunities (Beta Bucks), is the same mechanism that made women the more deceptive sex when it comes to sexual strategies. The problem now is that this hypergamous deceptiveness is being replaced with ‘complete honesty’ from a macro-societal level down to an interpersonal one.
And ironically, it will be the most stubborn of blue pill Beta men, advocating for a return to an old-order social contract destroyed by the very women they hope will respond to it, who will be the last to finally accept and respond to the new-order of open hypergamy.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:29 am
If a person really believed they could be successful, they wouldn’t need you to tell them, “Of course you can be successful.”
It’s ridiculous that somebody becomes a psychiatrist or a psychologist, with years and years of schooling, and spends time telling a patient something obvious such as, “Of course you can be successful. There are opportunities in this world.”
The real problem is how to interrupt the pattern of behavior that continues to reinforce the belief system, and how to help the person examine their own belief system, to help them acknowledge other choices that are available in the world.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
@M. Simon –
You may well be right. But at this point, what does a man get for all his effort?
A used woman. A used, American woman.
A used American woman who will get bored with you, accuse you of abuse, blow up your family, and fuck the hell out of Harley McRocknanddrummer in YOUR marital bed.
Or I can go to the range.
To put it in terms of “Clue”: Everyone. In the bathroom. With a condom.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
@ Badpainter
“That’s right it’s all the fault of men. Older men, who raised generations X Y and millenial.”
Exactly – that’s why we have to deal with all these spoilt brats.
M. Simon:
“…do you know why there is no quality poon? Because there are no quality men.”
Yes, that’s the biggest con of all… As if “the moulding of quality women” is somehow the responsibility of “men who man up”. Why indeed is this not the responsibility of mothers? So a mother can have a complete hands-off approach to bringing up her feral young female off-spring and then I have to “mold” this undeveloped female into “a woman” and “teach her” how to be loyal?
They ARE responsible for themselves and this should be an absolutely be demanded of them! Failing that you are enabling their infantilasation and blocking their growth as a gender.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
There was a time in America when boys were raised to be men, good men, institutions like the the Boy Scouts provided a solid philosphical framework for reponsibility and good citizenship. Today being referred to as a “Boy Scout” is a slur, an insult, and a warning that that guy is unattractive.
Society, like women, hates the Betas. Society doesn’t want us, doesn’t believe it needs us, and won’t respect us. That’s why we are quitting, or enjoying the decline, or pursuing other things than abuse and punishment. Calls to man up, and Alpha up will fall on deaf ears. Three generations of hatred, rejection, and abuse of Beta class has told us there is no point in our participation. Everything we do is wrong, everything we want is termed “entitlement.” The rewards are non-existant, the rules are rigged against us, and no one gives a shit anyway. But the women and the Alphas need to understand indifference works both ways.
We are starting to realize this version of society is not worth our efforts, and it’s constituents are not worth our concern. Increasing numbers of us re willing to lt it burn because their no benefit to us in saving it. We won’t start the fire, and we won’t joining the bucket brigade.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am
My daughter is a 9.5. And that is not my estimation. Although I agree.
I don’t think you can blame me. I attribute her good looks to the fact that I’m no surrender monkey.
jf12
August 9th, 2014 at 10:06 am
d’accord. (Daughter just returned from a trip to France.)
August 9th, 2014 at 2:16 pm
Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
You don’t HAVE to be a beta. I got my Red Pill from my first GF at age 18 (I was very lucky). I haven’t been beta since.
Beta is a choice. And with what is known now it is surrender. When I got the news it was uncommon knowledge. You have no such excuse.
Ugly women and weak men. I think we have a match.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
Ya know. I’m fn sick and tired of all the moaning. Life is so unfair. Women are so mean. A man ain’t got a chance.
Wake up – men were always expendable. What is the ratio? Billions of sperm per egg on a monthly basis.
You can do your very best or surrender. Pockets of surrender I get. But a whole culture? Who castrated all those men? It wasn’t women. The men did it to themselves.
jf12,
I guess we are the designated SGTs. We have to whip these boys into a fighting force. I LOVE the smell of testosterone in the morning. It smells like victory.
SGT
August 9th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
And just in case you didn’t get the message I’m making this whole comment into a link. So you can’t miss it.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
M. Simon,
I got the news officially about a year ago. I’m 43. My conditioning and BluePill indoctrination was perfect. Yes, I am working on it. No I haven’t a damn to give about this society. If I have women in my life or not I really don’t care they offer nothing of durable value, but are amusing in their way. Women are not my problem. Their desires not my concern.
My life and its conduct are not for others to decide. I am not a service animal. My terms are the only terms. I am through with negotiating…anything. Compromise is weakness so I don’t.
Despite all that I still believe in being polite and civil. If anyone wants more from me than that there must a reliable declaration of what I get in return for my participation.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Open Hypergamy:
“PUA In-Field – My BF is White and He’s 6 Feet Tall!”
I tend to disagree with the statement, “It’s not you, it’s her.”
Often times, it is you but that’s not what men (even red-pillers) want to hear.
August 9th, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
You only got half the Red Pill. Because you are not getting that you ARE a service animal. And the better you serve others the better you will be served.
As long as you are connected you will serve some one.
DarkPill
August 9th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Often times, it is you but that’s not what men (even red-pillers) want to hear.
Yes!
Most are only getting half the required dose. They get the genetics of female desire but fail to look at what they were “made” for.
Women get what men are for. To serve them. Now the terms of service are onerous. But there are ways around that. If you understand the female.
We have two sides of a coin. Some look at heads. Some at tails. I prefer seeing the coin.
August 9th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
M. Simon,
I serve at my pleasure and on my terms. I expect..no insist upon being paid in full for my service. Payments must regular, knowable,and predictable. No longer do I invest in the hope of future payoffs.
Yes men serve women but there must be reciprocal service to men. Today women collectively use men and offer shit in return. Individually we all have to make our own accommodations regarding terms of service to others.
Nothing is free. There are no guarantees. One of things that is not gauranteed is the continued compliance of the Beta class.
If you seek the Drill Sargent of reform you had best be able to articulate a platform that provides real hope and celebrates the dignity of all men. If you just want brow beat and “man up” those whom you disagree with you’ll have precious few followers. If the only you’re selling is different form of servitude… keep already had mine.
August 9th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
And we look on women as insane.
Not half as insane as men who deny their fundamental nature.
Any successful civilization MUST serve women. Or there won’t be a civilization for long. The deal is not avoiding service, but figuring out how to get better terms.
And you know what kind of deal men will get in a civilizational collapse? Women and children first. Because men are expendable.
Why men want to cut off their balls which will be followed by getting their throats cut is beyond me.
August 9th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Today women collectively use men and offer shit in return.
Because men were/are to stupid to know how to get a better deal. And of course men’s stupidity is being blamed on women. How stupid can you get? Terminally stupid.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news (actually I take great joy in it – glee even) but your bad deal is not her fault. It is yours. If you knew how to dominate her you would have gotten a better deal.
All my sons know game. I made sure of it.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
Rollo, there’s a lot of Red Pill material to be mined in old movies. From the 1937 production of “Double Wedding”:
William Powell as Charlie Lodge:
Women don’t like noble, self-sacrificing men. Women are not civilized like we are. They like bloodshed. They like forceful men, like me.
I heard other Red Pill quotes, but don’t remember them.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
Civilization is by and for men. The fact women benefit is because men aren’t all assholes. Men fight and die for their versions of civilization because that is what they create. Women create babies. It matters not what sort of society, or level of civilization exists so long as those babies live to reproduce.
It’s women and children first because the next generation of people needs exist to carry on that civilization. Men make that sacrifice for selfish reasons, to see that their children and their accomplishments are remembered and added to. It’s a delicate thing, and it’s entirely abstract. Women don’t care about the abstract unless it’s their own feelings.
Whatever Roman women felt about the accomplishments of Rome is irrelevant to the legacy of Rome built by Roman men. The legacy of those men still lives on even if their genetics is almost completely obscured by centuries of mixed breeding.
But what killed Rome was the disenfranchisement of its Betas by the corruption of the Alphas. When The empire came to rely on outside slaves and mercenaries the common citizen lost hope, dignity, and opportunity. It’s a similar problem in the West today.
If civilization stopped serving women it would not fall. Individual men would still take care of that as they always have. When the society that bounds a particular civilization tells the vast majority of men that they are disposable and that are only good to serve others via funding government those men either become corrupt, drop out, or reduce their participation to match the rewards offered by society. Today that means video games for some. It’s OK nobody wants or needs those men.
This society has deprived men of their vocations, dignity, and children. It tells them their desires are evil. It places all responsibility on men. It benefits only women, and few Alphas. It tells men from birth they are potential criminals and rapists and basically evil. And then it somehow expects those same men to show up and keep the whole show running whilst continuing to play by the rules. I wonder how long that can continue?
August 9th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
If you seek the Drill Sargent of reform you had best be able to articulate a platform that provides real hope and celebrates the dignity of all men.
I offer no hope except somewhat better terms. And of course the chance to carry on your civilization. If that is not your cuppa and you do not want to dominate not to worry. There are plenty of other folks out there whose civilizations are not as nice as ours (shitty though it is) who will be more than happy to dominate.
Right now we have the Russians, Chinese, and Islamics vying for a chance to dominate you. Or would you prefer to dominate them? Because some one will dominate. By my lights I figure it might as well be me and my version of civilization.
What I see is the hoping for utopia, the famous, “Can’t we all get along?” The short answer:
No
If you are of a mind may I suggest a reading of the Bhagavad Gita – Juan Mascaro translation.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
OK. So it is all corrupt and you as a Beta have been given a raw deal. My answer is –> All Men Alphas. Too much effort for you? Too much butt hurt from being ignorant? My sad pronouncement is that you deserved to lose. Until men can regain control of politics that is the only available solution. And men in this civilization will NEVER regain control of politics unless they Alpha up.
http://www.pattonhq.com/speech.html
“Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.”
August 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
@ Simon
If you knew how to dominate her you would have gotten a better deal.
Are sterile/infecund American women worth dominating? There aren’t a lot of fecund unicorns to go around. We need a strategy to find and raise unicorns. Game won’t help with that.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Patton got it:
I don’t give a fuck for a man who’s not always on his toes.
All men Alphas.
August 9th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
theasdgamer
August 9th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Well jeeze. My apologies that you couldn’t find a fertile woman. You just find some nice quite place where you won’t be disturbed and go for the long sleep.
American women are what they are because American men are pussies. You are going to have to make do until you can start breeding a better generation. So it will not you who reaps the rewards of your effort. Can you plant a fig tree at age 90? That is a very old Jewish tradition. We do what we do for the next generation without hope of personal reward.
I’m just telling you what I see. Women are no different than they always have been. It is the men who lack. It is the men who are short of character. It is the men who refuse to have the courage to do what men have always done. Defy the odds. Or go down trying.
You have taken half the red pill. And you are pissed. What are you going to do about it? Retreat? Surrender?
“My men don’t surrender”, Patton continued, “I don’t want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That’s not just bull shit either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!” – G.S. Patton
You up for it?
August 9th, 2014 at 6:27 pm
“Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don’t want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, “Fixing the wire, Sir”. I asked, “Isn’t that a little unhealthy right about now?” He answered, “Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed”. I asked, “Don’t those planes strafing the road bother you?” And he answered, “No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!” Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren’t combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.”
August 9th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Rollo,
The very open hypergamy you speak of is starting to get play here in Australia in the MSM:
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/love-honour–betray-20140805-3d6ba.html
The TL;DR is that this guy discovered through text his wife was seeing someone else and that she ‘loved him but was not in love with him’ (yes, i know, sounds familiar).
Although framed as a story of the challenges of single parents (tellingly the 2 girls chose to live with him), there are several choice lines from this article:
“My wife denied it, in fact she was indignant. Who? Never heard of him! What? Don’t be ridiculous!”
“A few days later, my wife decided that our marriage was over. She had found her “soul mate” and wanted to be with him, not me” (reliving youth attempting to ride the alpha carousel)
“I simply didn’t understand it. I drove myself mad as I ran mental laps through my head. What had I done wrong? I thought I was a good husband and father. I had a good job, I was helpful, I did the washing-up, mowed the lawns, ironed my shirts, took the bread out of the freezer – more than a lot of men did – and, most importantly, I did my bit with the children.” (dutiful decent beta provider, did what he was told was required)
“Although I was useful around the house I had not, it was pointed out to me, been a good husband for some time. I had become the marital equivalent of a high-end vacuum cleaner. I was reliable and rarely broke down, I was capable and did what was expected of me, but I wasn’t fun to use. Practical, but not exciting or inspiring.She wanted something special, an up-market espresso machine with aesthetic appeal to be an object of desire among her friends.” (not giving requisite gina tingles and status points)
“My efforts to appeal to my wife’s brain were of no use. I needed to aim for her heart but someone else already had that” (logic vs. the hamster).
And the kicker – five months earlier his Dad had been diagnosed with aggressive pancreatic cancer.
I am really surprised this is getting play in the Australian MSM, given how feminist it is. Tellingly, however, they have not allowed for comments on this article. My hope is that it is sufficient to start ringing alarm bells.
August 9th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
I was lucky enough to be born in 1944. I knew those warriors personally. They raised me. My dad was one. I have been very lucky. But I also decided long ago that lack of courage was not going to be one of my faults.
Just as I decided at age 18 that I wasn’t going to be a beta (after a few lessons on that from my first GF).
But men now have the tools to prevail. If they want to. But to prevail you are all going to have to alpha up.
August 9th, 2014 at 7:12 pm
@ walawala
“That seems to work for a while then the girl starts to see her friends being waited on hand and foot by some beta dickless eunech and I get shit-tested and need to dump them or I get dumped.”
Can you expand on this? I feel this happened to me last year and want to clarify. I was casually seeing someone (from another country) and made it clear that I couldn’t give comittment. She would fly to see me at Christmas time etc. One holiday she started with the passive aggressiveness, shit testing rudeness saying I was ignoring her etc etc. despite me running the holiday and the itinerary like a man, her letting me fuck her on the beach etc.
August 9th, 2014 at 7:28 pm
M. Simon – “But to prevail you are all going to have to alpha up.”
Which means what exactly? Whose ass do I kick first?
I really don’t know what you’re requesting of us short of open insurrection. I’m not entirely opposed to that BTW. I’ll fight for my country (well maybe not California ) but not for my government.
I won’t fight for women collectively, and precious few individually. They won’t appreciate the effort anyway so why bother.
I also suspect I don’t understand what you mean by dominate. As I understand that it’s not something I can do long term. It’s exhausting to constantly be on watch for disobedience. As well I have trouble pulling that off if I actually care about the person. Employees, random humans no problem I am indifferent. They are disposable and replaceable. I don’t want people in my life I don’t care about. Why would I want disposable people around in my life?
August 9th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Re: M. Simon and the Man-up mantra.
Your wife is making a choice to submit to your authority (“dominance”, as you put it). If she weren’t, she would be no different to all the other rebellious bitches out there. The problem with the Man-up mantra is twofold: it puts all the responsibility upon the man but without laws to back him up (in fact the laws erode his power so that he has all the responsibilities with no power to back up his responsibilities); and, precisely as you intimate, under the Man-up mantra women have no agency (and certainly no moral agency).
One cannot truly Man-up under these circumstances. Badpainter and J.J. know what’s going on. They’d be more than happy to Man-up in a society that supports Maning-up. And I’m sure they’ve Man-ed-up as far as a man can possibly Man-up in a society that is vehemently against Maning-up, unless as Rollo has pointed out, it serves the Feminine Imperative.
August 9th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Badpainter
August 9th, 2014 at 7:28 pm
Man up – to start with get out of the loser mentality. The “I can’t do it”. Of course you can. It just takes practice.
Second off it means formulating a political program. And then working to gain adherents.
I think I mentioned that I was a Beta with a self estimated score of 1 or 2 until I learned game at age 18. (1962). I went to the senior prom with a 2. Because she couldn’t get a date with anyone else. And I felt lucky to have her. My attitude lowered my SMV by 3 or 4 points.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
Snowy
August 9th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Well of course she has decided to submit. But they don’t do it automatically. It is not in their nature. You have to work them until they WANT it.
Why you are a loser is that you are convinced it can’t be done.
You will start to win when you begin work on figuring out how to do it.
I learned game at 18. I started to get good at it at 24. By 30 I was a suave as any of them that got it instinctively.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
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August 9th, 2014 at 9:11 pm
I think open hyperagamy is very revealing of the current dynamics of the sexual market.
Jason Molloy at Evo and Proud provided empirical evidence showing that in high female value societies (less women than men) strict monogamy is the defacto female preference but in high male value societies (more females than men) sexual promiscuity is the male preference.
The theory being that when females hold the power they prefer monogamy but when males hold the power they prefer promiscuity.
So what does it reveal about today’s sexual market? The average market price for males is lower than the average price for females. Although sex ratios aren’t dramatically different social policy has effectively driven up the value of females while driving down the average price of males.
This has created a situation where alpha males hold absolute power and females are accommodating the alpha male preferred mating strategy. The bulk of females are chasing a minority of alpha males and to compete they must openly advertise their promiscuity and willingness to offer their sexuality to compete for the alpha male.
The converse is that in such a high stakes game it is of paramount importance that the females have the fall back option of beta bucks. This is why you get the anomaly of no shaming of sluts but the intense shaming of betas for not manning up.
To facilitate open hyperagamy and alpha fucks it is of utmost importance for sluts to be the social norm (and not be shamed) while simultaneously for beta bucks fallback options to be the norm and intense shaming for not facilitating this strategy.
I think the primary effect of game hasn’t been to increase the number of alphas but actually to reduce the number of beta bucks fallback options. So it is of primary importance for the Feminine imperative to normalise sloppy seconds.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
Trying to post this again…
Prosperity has made us motivationally challenged. I really believe many men are secretly — and many openly — hoping for the whole shit show to collapse. Spend time at Zero Hedge sometime, read Strauss’ and Howe’s The Fourth Turning, Nassim Talib or any of Jack Donovan’s works (ironically a gay man, but one who evangelizes on the virtues of masculinity) and it’s clear that there is a desire to just get on with it and let societal collapse happen sooner rather than later so *men* can pick up the pieces and put things back in order.
Interestingly, The Fourth Turning shows that we have been through these “unravelings” and crises before in fairly predictable 80-100 year cycles. The Fall of Rome is the best example, but even in American history, the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Depression and World War II all came at roughly predictable “crisis” intervals.
There’s a great piece at The Art of Manliness on Strauss/Howe generational theory that I read recently, which really struck home with me. Some key bits…
“When Nomads come of age during an Unraveling, gender role distinctions narrow to their thinnest point in the generational cycle (think of the bobbed, brassy flappers of the 20s and the “gender is only a cultural construct” meme of the 80s). Nomad generations often revolt from the Prophet generation’s veneration of the feminine and begin finding ways to encourage gender distinctions in an increasingly gender neutral world. The quest for manhood is often seen as a futile attempt to recover honor in a world that no longer values honor. For Nomads, the only way for men to distinguish themselves from women is for the world to return to a “state of nature” in which a man’s primal, and sometimes violent traits, are more useful.”
“in order for manliness to mean anything, the world needs to go to pot first so men can use their innate masculine traits again. It’s very reminiscent of the works by fellow Nomad and manliness paragon, Ernest Hemingway.”
“the only way to end the misandry and gender neutrality that we see in modern Western society is for society to collapse, as the tactical virtues of manliness are best demonstrated in a chaotic world.”
August 9th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
I will just leave this here. Link and article in case the link does not work.
http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/love,-sex-and-relationships/the-three-little-words-that-ended-a-marriage-20140810-3dg37.html
The three little words that ended a marriage.
“Goodnight, my love.”
Three little words. Three tender words that any man would love to hear, but these weren’t meant for me. They were meant for another man. These were words of betrayal, and they reached out from the sent folder of my wife’s mobile phone and formed a circle of stone-cold dread around my heart.
I looked back at her – my wife, the mother of our children – sleeping peacefully in our bed, the first early rays of the new day lighting the room. She looked so innocent. Was she dreaming of him? And who was this “him”, anyway?
My body’s defence mechanism kicked in, a combination of shock and fear. The cold hand around my heart moved down my body to my stomach, and then to my bowels. For a moment I didn’t know whether I was going to be leaning over the toilet or sitting on it; instead I dry retched and ran 10 laps of the lounge room.
Should I wake her? What would I say? More importantly, what would she say – and did I want to hear it? This was too big and threatening to think about so early on a Wednesday morning. It was better to be in denial, so I got dressed and went to work.
I left the house and quietly shut the door behind me. I didn’t want to wake my wife or my daughters – as though by letting them sleep, the dawn of our new reality wouldn’t break. Was this just a road hump or a fork in the road of our life together?
Later that day, I rang my wife and suggested we meet for a cup of tea. How nice, she said – we haven’t done that for ages.
My wife denied it, in fact she was indignant. Who? Never heard of him! What? Don’t be ridiculous!
But she couldn’t deny those three little words. And then she confessed. It was nothing. Just something meaningless. She hardly knew him.
But I had to go on, I had to fight my cramping stomach and ask the big questions. Are you sleeping with him? Of course not! Are you in love with him? Don’t be stupid! She made me feel guilty for questioning her loyalty, for going through her phone. She was sorry. She didn’t want to risk our family over something so trivial.
I shivered, the adrenalin started to ease and my stress levels fell as relief warmed me. I was exhausted and our conversation was exhausted, so I kissed her goodbye and said I would see her at home. Everything was going to be okay – wasn’t it? We would learn from this and move on.
We spent a quiet, close, reflective evening together, and later that night we made love. But I felt detached, as though there was someone else in the room. Was he watching us, or was I watching him? I looked at my wife, her eyes closed. Was she imagining I was him? Or wishing I was? Was he going to be with us every time we made love, casting a shadow over our marriage?
We had made love for the last time.
A few days later, my wife decided that our marriage was over. She had found her “soul mate” and wanted to be with him, not me. I know it’s a cliché, but I genuinely hadn’t seen it coming. I felt that something wasn’t quite right, which was why I had trawled through her mobile phone. But I hadn’t expected to find something so final. Not in my worst nightmares. Seventeen years of marriage over, just like that.
I simply didn’t understand it. I drove myself mad as I ran mental laps through my head. What had I done wrong? I thought I was a good husband and father. I had a good job, I was helpful, I did the washing-up, mowed the lawns, ironed my shirts, took the bread out of the freezer – more than a lot of men did – and, most importantly, I did my bit with the children.
I was a “fun dad”. I refereed endless games of Monopoly, froze my dangly bits wading into the sea so that my daughters could swim, sacrificed Saturday mornings to go to netball with my eldest daughter and Saturday afternoons to watch my youngest at gymnastics. It wasn’t always a barrel of laughs, but it was what I did. Wasn’t all that good enough?
Turns out it wasn’t. Although I was useful around the house I had not, it was pointed out to me, been a good husband for some time. I had become the marital equivalent of a high-end vacuum cleaner. I was reliable and rarely broke down, I was capable and did what was expected of me, but I wasn’t fun to use. Practical, but not exciting or inspiring.
My wife didn’t want a vacuum cleaner, even if I was Dyson-esque in my dust-sucking abilities. She wanted something special, an up-market espresso machine with aesthetic appeal to be an object of desire among her friends. She wanted the man who could do it all and apparently I couldn’t but her soul mate could, even though he was still in his warranty period and unproven over the long term.
The world had become one huge out-of-control fairground ride.
I was desperate to save my marriage. Partly because I was scared (I didn’t know what a future on my own might bring), partly because I liked my stable life (it wasn’t always a bed of roses, but it was pretty good), but mostly because I didn’t want my family to break up. I loved my family and I was proud that we were still together and our children were happy, especially when we knew of so many unhappy couples who had split up.
Over the next few weeks we talked openly, and maybe honestly, about our feelings. We talked more than we had for years. Was that part of our problem? I earn my living as a management consultant, so I’ve been trained to solve problems through analysis of facts, logic and carefully constructed arguments. But the more we discussed the whys and wherefores of what was happening, the more I recognised that my logical approach was falling on deaf ears. This was an emotional argument.
“But we get on so well. We rarely argue. People say that we make a great couple,” I countered.
“We’re a good team,” she admitted. “You do look after me, but you don’t make me feel special.”
She was so cool, so sure it was the right thing to do. I wanted to grab her and shake her – to make her see the madness of what she was saying. I was desperate; I only had one card left. “I thought you loved me.”
“I love you, but I’m not in love with you.” F…, that hurt.
I had always imagined that if our marriage were to end, it would be because I had lost my life performing some heroic act to protect my family. You know the kind of thing – leaping in front of a runaway truck and pushing them to safety, or saving my children from a house fire only to lose my life after returning to the burning building to rescue my daughter’s hamster. But this? Outdone by some stranger who was better than me in the “making my wife feel special” department? This wasn’t heroic at all.
My efforts to appeal to my wife’s brain were of no use. I needed to aim for her heart but someone else already had that. With a steadily building sense of frustration, sadness and fear, I realised I wasn’t going to change her mind – a “solid”, “practical” marriage is no match for a love affair.
I couldn’t sleep or eat properly, my heart rate and blood pressure were rising, my eyes welled up on the train to and from work. Annoyingly, everyone else on the train seemed happy and relaxed: iPods in their ears, reading the paper or just dozing. I wanted to tell everyone my wife was behaving like an idiot, but as an Englishman, public displays of emotion are not on. I took to wearing shades – regardless of the weather or the time of day.
My wife began sleeping in the spare room on the basis that she was “seeing someone else” and it would be “inappropriate for me to see her naked”. Weird – I knew every inch of her body intimately and now it belonged to someone else. She also promised not to see her soul mate until we had formally separated and were living apart. I promised not to discuss our “difficulties” – a word I found, even as an Englishman, to be an understatement – with anyone else.
I wasn’t convinced she was sticking to her end of the bargain. I once came home from work to find her in the shower. She said she was off to the gym – the scene of the crime – and I suggested it seemed pointless having a shower before she went. She told me with a straight face that she didn’t want to get there feeling sweaty. It was ridiculous. I was worried that my wife, who had cheated on me and was going to leave me, was cheating on me.
Looking back, it seems stupid that I tried so hard to hold on to our marriage. But in my mind we had gone overnight from being happy, to her wanting to be with someone else. It took a bit of getting used to.
Five months earlier, my father had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of pancreatic cancer, where the typical life expectancy is six months from the time of diagnosis. My poor old dad was about to enter the “living on borrowed time” phase.
Two weeks after the discovery of my wife’s infidelity, I made the trip back to the UK to spend some time with my dad, swapping one emotional nightmare for another. There was so much I wanted to talk to him about, but I couldn’t find the words because I was so distracted by my own life.
My mum, dad, brother, sister and me – a family unit. We hadn’t been together like this without the distraction of our own families for years. I was consumed by the thought that I was part of two family units and they were both breaking up. Too much of my world was changing and I still feel cheated that I was unable to fully focus on my dad during his final few weeks of life.
I desperately wanted to tell these four people closest to me about my situation but they were suffering enough and it didn’t seem right.
We sat on the sofa eating homemade scones and drinking tea. All normal. Except that it wasn’t normal. My dad had a cancer growing inside him and I had my own personal cancer growing inside me. I wanted to blurt out, “I hate to burden you at this difficult time, but my marriage is over.” I kept it in.
My wife and I had agreed that we wouldn’t tell our children about the split and we wouldn’t separate until my dad had passed away. His ability to cling on to life would determine how much longer my own family had left.
He died peacefully, his family around his bedside, on a wonderful, calm summer’s evening, the sun just starting to dip below the horizon while casting a gentle light over the big oak tree in the garden. It was a beautiful place to die. As he slipped away I was hit by a towering wave of grief. My feelings of sorrow and loss for my dad were compounded by the even greater sorrow and fear over what was to become of my own family when I returned to Australia.
This was much too much. How much pain can one heart take? My dad was dead but not yet buried, my marriage was terminally ill but not yet dead.
Bollocks. Big, bastard, hairy, baboon-sized bollocks.
This is an edited extract from Single Father, Better Dad, out on August 21.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
@ M Simon
here you go:
August 9th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
@ M Simon
Here you go:
August 9th, 2014 at 11:50 pm
Re: M. Simon and the Man-up mantra 2
Like so many Man-up proponents, you intimate that there are no forces external to the man at play; that everything is within the power of the man (to change, etc.). This is true, except the man does not have the legal powers that go along with those responsibilities he is more than willing to take on in his role as a real man. Everyman is willing and able to do this, but does not have the power that goes along with the responsibilities he takes on. Feminism has seen to that. Everyman is disempowered by the feminist socio-political system. Believe it or not. I’m all for Man-ing-up, but it requires a demolition of those Marxist-feminist-socialist-leftist-Goddess worship-Draconian laws that maximally restrict masculinity, manliness, male sexuality, while maximising unfettered, unrestricted feminist hypergamy. You keep telling J.J., Badpainter et al that they don’t get it; but you don’t get the flipside because your wife has decided not to go down that road; a decision that could be changed at the drop of a hamster hat, especially when all the offspring have flown the coop, and she’s left with only you. Perhaps the meat grinder is something only those who experience it can understand. Of course the M. Simon’s of this world would say the man who’s been through the meat grinder probably did something(s) to deserve it, like acting like a beta. Women have been legally empowered at the expense of men’s disempowerment.
August 10th, 2014 at 12:25 am
Codger,
That all fits very neatly with my grand theory of history.
1000-1030 first crusade
1100-1130 second crusade
1200-1230 third crusade
1300-1330 fourth crusade/last phase 100 years war
**Note** dates for crusades are approximate, I’m too lazy to look them up right now.
1415-1445 wars of Italian Península/Papal States
1517-1535 wars of the reformation
1618-1638 thirty years war
1714-1756 wars of Louis XIV/Seven Years War
1789-1815 Napoleonic Wars
1914-1945 WW1&WW2
A thirty year war approximately every hundred years for the last thousand years.
Who wil be the 21st century’s Gavrilo Princip? Before the Zerohedge Black Swan I expect the next 30 year war to begin. Given the depraved state of men in the west I think there will be a lot enthusiasm initially for the next one as it’s exactly the opportunity for men to be men that currently is missing from our declining femcentric societies.
August 10th, 2014 at 12:33 am
Snowy,
You capture the externalities neatly. Given the practical realities I can safely say there is no woman worth the risk of jail. If one steps to far out of line there’s VAWA and the lose of 2nd Amendment rights. That’s the Sword of Damocles gives me pause.
So I screen for compliance. I have a zero tolerance policy for stupid. That means severe shit tests are answered by Next! Easier and safer to move on to another target.
I am just not interested in trying to convert a SIW into a reasonable mate.
August 10th, 2014 at 12:46 am
Same with me Badpainter. I’m not about to get all gung-ho with all this Alpha stuff. M. Simon is no more a Alpha than you or me. I’m not in a hurry to try ‘taming’ some out-of-control crazy bitch. I was already married to one of those, and she still continues (10 years later) to cause grief between me and my two sons; a grief I am completely disempowered to relieve. I need a woman worthy, appreciative and respectful of my strength, not some stupid mole I have to mold ad infinitum.
August 10th, 2014 at 12:57 am
Spend time at Zero Hedge
I used to. But it has become such a cesspool of Jew hatred….
re: M/F ratios. A shift of as little as 5% in either direction is enough to make the change. On college campuses the ratio runs to as much as 1.5F to 1M these days. The 60s – so reviled by the social conservatives started off because the ratio was 1.05F to 1M. And then along came the Vietnam War which took a lot of men out of the pool and that accelerated the shift.
The current shift is because college is not such a good deal for men. They have other options like auto-mechanics, plumbing, etc. For women those options are of less interest. Nursing requires a degree.
I wrote a bit about that here: http://classicalvalues.com/2011/03/there_was_no_se/
This especially explains the black community http://www.issues.org/13.2/courtw.htm it is also good about M/F demographics in general.
August 10th, 2014 at 1:22 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
Snowy
August 10th, 2014 at 12:46 am
As I pointed out up thread. Alphaness is for the most part not intrinsic. It can be learned. You can tame your “shrew” if you want to. And you don’t do it for yourself. What would be the point? You do it for your children. Children are damaged by broken homes.
August 10th, 2014 at 1:55 am
Snowy
August 9th, 2014 at 11:50 pm
Legality has nothing to do with taming your shrew. Yes. The odds are stacked against you. If you accept the odds. But like card counting in blackjack there are things you can do to put the odds back in your favor.
It pains me to see so many men giving up. Who do not even try. Ah. Well. More for me. And it keeps the first mate on her toes when I remind her of the competition. So I guess I should thank you for your help.
What I did when I was spinning plates was to design a system where the ladies kept coming back for more. And the woman I got was intensely desirous of me. I made sure of that. So that is the foundation. You then work your game to make her want you even more. You dominate her. And of course her game is to dominate you. The best the first mate ever did was a draw. And as time went on I won more and more. I’m now at the point where I win all the time. She is avid (well as avid as women get) to please me.
And in case you missed it my Dad did the same to my Mom. They were together for almost 60 years until Dad died. I have managed 40+ so far. So maybe it just runs in the family. Dad had Game. Something I didn’t realize until recently. From what I can tell he was a natch.
August 10th, 2014 at 2:50 am
Outdone by some stranger who was better than me in the “making my wife feel special” department?
The last thing you want to do is make her feel special. If you want to keep her she has to think you are special. Always remind her of your options. Let her see you flirting with other women. Tell her every time a woman comes on to you. And even better if she can see it in person. And much better if the woman coming on to you is much younger than she is.
Everything must convince her of your worth.
Make her surrender. Then ask if that doesn’t make her feel so much better than when she tries to dominate.
When she tries to dominate cut her off. Sex, foot rubs, back rubs, honey dos. When she surrenders again she gets the rewards. Keep it up until she is in the habit. Then keep it up (the other parts of your game) so she stays in the habit.
Too much work? I dunno. I enjoy dominating her. Being her Master. Not in a D&S kind of way. Just every day kinds of things. We discuss and then she defers to me. But she doesn’t even get discussion if she tries to dominate. I like having her melt when I hug her. Delicious.
Too much work for you? OK. But you are going to take a very bad beating in exchange for your laziness. Pay now or pay later. But you will pay. It is our lot in life.
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So how did I work our dating phase? Every time she got the hots for another guy I’d encourage her to try him out with the words “If you like him better than me go for it. With my blessing. You deserve the best you can get.” She never found that better guy and when her SMV dropped from having our children she mostly stopped looking. Oh she would occasionally do the female threat thing. “I’ll leave you.” “Can I help you pack?” And that was the end of that. Every time.
Women find that kind of self confidence very attractive.
Never let her have power over you. My first GF taught me that explicitly at age 18. I have never looked back.
As I said – every thing you do must convince her of your worth. If you want to keep her.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:26 am
Of course the M. Simon’s of this world would say the man who’s been through the meat grinder probably did something(s) to deserve it, like acting like a beta.
Yes I would. And I have.
I consider myself to be very fortunate to have gotten my Red Pill 50 years ago.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:35 am
Codger
August 9th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yard-stick of convention.
http://hermetic.com/crowley/eight-lectures-on-yoga/8yoga2.html
Despite all my failings real and imagined the first mate always gives me props for being her protector.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:44 am
M. Simon,
At my age I don’t see children happening. Which means there’s no point to marriage. Which means there’s no reason for me to be a provider. Which means there’s no need to worry about how to keep a woman around. So other than my entertainment there’s little reason to get all fixated on becoming the perfect man in any woman’s eyes. Besides I’m picky and am not interested interested in dealing with contentious people with juvenile psychologies. Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic are huge turn offs. The complete lack of domestic skills, so common today, means no LTR.
Besides the attraction thing doesn’t easily work to my favor. I have zero interest in status. I’m a blue collar guy my work product is more important than my popularity or my car. I couldn’t care less what anyone thinks of my “status” or fashion sense.
I’m frugal and won’t waste money to impress people. If the internal debate is about spending time and money to chase tail or spending time and money on new machine tools, tools usually win.
I understand you’ve made different choices. Good for you. One size does fit all. You can issue all the judgements you want, but you can’t explain why any man must submit to your expectations. So far you haven’t explained how following the “Alpha Up” script benefits me. It won’t increase my bank account, earn me a promotion, or make my life easier. It would seem to make the care taker of a hopelessly dependent creature that brings nothing but need, demands, and obligation to my life.
The only benefit I see is easier access to sex which is still more expensive than fee for service. I can make my own sandwiches, and farm out those domestic chores to others for a small fee. The cost benefit analysis is badly skewed. The cost in this case is time.
If the measure of a man is how many women he’s fucked then we are all fucked. I’ve known several guys that pull women constantly and that is all they good for. They are useless for anything else and not to be trusted with anything of real importance. Conversely I’ve known a number of Betas who despite their difficulties with women I would trust with my life and follow through fire and bullets. Men who make civilization work, women have zero appreciation for that.
August 10th, 2014 at 5:06 am
Badpainter on August 10, 2014 at 3:44 am
“Besides I’m picky and am not interested interested in dealing with contentious people with juvenile psychologies. Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic are huge turn offs. The complete lack of domestic skills, so common today, means no LTR.”
Second that, and all of Badpainter’s comment. M. Simon refers to men not being real men these days. And of course there is truth to that. However, it is also true that women are not real women these days, and hardly worth the effort. Also, M. Simon implies that women will naturally, viscerally submit to the man who dominates her. The ‘Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic’ woman of today, with zero domestic skills and no interest in acquiring them or carrying them out, is not even worth dominating; not worth any effort whatsoever. If you think they are, go for it.
August 10th, 2014 at 6:33 am
you don’t get the flipside because your wife has decided not to go down that road
She didn’t decide that. I did. If it was up to her I would have had a wife like yours. You have to train them to get what you want. It is no different than dog training. When they do what you want – reward. When they don’t do what you want – no reward.
When you take charge she will be much happier. I ask the first mate every time she surrenders to me if it makes her happier. The answer every time is, “Yes.” That is also part of the training. Making her say it out loud.
Your core problem is that you think you are at the mercy of chance, fate, and women’s bad impulses. That is hardly ever true and it is dangerous to assume it is true. You have to go into a LTR with the assumption that you will control it and you will find a way or make one. God (or whatever) gave you a brain. Use it. Every woman is different in the details. But you have to dominate them. That is the general principle. You have to find out how she likes to be dominated (some like spankings – I was never a fan – some like other methods) and dominate her.
August 10th, 2014 at 6:49 am
Also, M. Simon implies that women will naturally, viscerally submit to the man who dominates her.
I assume no such thing. You have to be more cunning than they are. You have to pay attention. You have to find an opening.
The price you have to pay to get what you want is attention.
The ‘Stupid, vapid, shallow, and materialistic’ woman of today, with zero domestic skills and no interest in acquiring them or carrying them out, is not even worth dominating; not worth any effort whatsoever.
They are all like that and always have been. My Dad had to teach my Mom how to cook. And they got married in 1942 IIRC.
If you want a LTR (for the children) then you are going to have to figure out how to bring her to heel.
That is another mistake – you assume some golden age when women were better. Well there may have been a golden age. But it was the men who were better.
The golden age was probably when most of us farmed and understood animals better. City people (no pets allowed) are far removed from nature. And women are creatures totally of their nature. You have to train them if you want something else.
August 10th, 2014 at 7:20 am
@Badpainter
I was raised by a father who always warned me not to trust women. My mother and grandmother agreed in the same concept. I remember my grandma even going as far and telling me to sleep with as many girls as possible to gain life experience. My grandpa was sleeping around all the time prior to getting married and was a tough man, a real alpha man.
Now even though all that I was still raised to be less than what they wanted me to be. And that is not because of my family. It’s simply the social conditioning of our time. I kind of see it like a conspiracy theory when men are being continuously feminised to the point where their opinion matters for nothing and in essence they appear as an accessory in a woman’s life. Much like a handbag.
I agree with Tomassi totally when he says men are the real romantics. Because that’s exactly who I was.
Through swallowing the red pill and moving on with my life, I now face judgement from women for ‘using’ them and never wanting anything else than sex. My female friends even keep their friends away from me in case I make a move and I end up ruining their relationships.
I still find it a struggle when I hurt someone because of not being interested. But then again, I think that’s part of their game as I have seen very important relationships in my life move on in a heartbeat.
It still is a struggle to try and explain why you do what you do to all the other conditioned men out there. It still is a struggle to fight your corner when both men and women are attacking your views as they are threatening their reality, but in the end you can’t live life just making friends can you?
August 10th, 2014 at 7:46 am
JackTheBerserker
August 9th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
I think as a boomer we have failed in our mission. You appear to still be breathing. I’ll put a call in to boomer central and see if something can’t be done.
August 10th, 2014 at 7:52 am
Through swallowing the red pill and moving on with my life, I now face judgement from women for ‘using’ them and never wanting anything else than sex. My female friends even keep their friends away from me in case I make a move and I end up ruining their relationships.
It is possible to play Game so you keep on good terms with the exes. In fact I introduced the first mate to several of my exes. One of them was a friend of the first mate for about 5 or 6 years while we lived in the area.
There is no need to leave an excess of wreckage while having your fun.
And it has advantages. It makes the mate think, “How can I succeed where she failed?” Very handy.
August 10th, 2014 at 8:31 am
Badpainter
August 10th, 2014 at 3:44 am
All I can say is, terrific post. From my perspective you’ve really nailed it. I am similar in that i don’t chase status for status sake and more interested in my work product. In fact i get confused by those who do and the accompanying social games and pecking orders engaged in as a result (why until recently i struggled to deal with them).
Cold hard cost-benefit analysis shows the old model no longer stacks up. And of course if you spell this out, the screaming and shaming get louder (you are getting closer to the truth).
August 10th, 2014 at 8:56 am
Simon,
Well jeeze. My apologies that you couldn’t find a fertile woman.
I’m not a woman. I’m not solipsistic. Your comment made a stupid assumption. I have kids. I was speaking to the general problem that women are becoming infertile and infecund. White people have been way under the replacement rate for two decades. Are you so clueless that you don’t know about this?
August 10th, 2014 at 9:20 am
@Badpainter, re: “At my age I don’t see children happening. Which means there’s no point to marriage.”
You mean you don’t think a 38 yr old woman SIW with baby rabies might pick you out of a lineup, I mean catalog?
August 10th, 2014 at 9:32 am
M Simon, thanks for keeping this comment section upbeat!
August 10th, 2014 at 9:43 am
theasdgamer
August 10th, 2014 at 8:56 am
I attribute that to a number of causes.
The number one being the more wealthy a society or segment the lower their fertility rate. Second, the more educated the women the lower the fertility rate. Haven’t you been paying attention for the last 50 or more years? ;-)
Then there are the sub causes
1. Trying to start a family later – the later the less likely
2. Various methods of birth control
3. Unwillingness of men to marry
I’m kinda the exception. I started with the first mate at age 33 (her) and age 37 (me). I got a hole in one. We hit on the first try. Fifteen minutes after I decided it was time (She – “Are you sure?” Me – “Yes.” ). Both of us felt the spark. It was a magic moment.
Three more followed (the last came out when she was 42).
So I did my part. As did the first mate.
August 10th, 2014 at 9:58 am
Anonymous
August 10th, 2014 at 9:32 am
Honored to be of service.
August 10th, 2014 at 10:19 am
The primary causes of infertility/infecundity are age, genetics, STDs, and abortion.
Your experience is from long, long ago. You have still failed to answer my question. How are men to discern in the current SMP which women are fecund/fertile? Until you can answer this question, all your spiel about Game is just so much codswallop.
August 10th, 2014 at 11:36 am
jf12- “You mean you don’t think a 38 yr old woman SIW with baby rabies might pick you out of a lineup, I mean catalog?”
Not sure how or why I’d end up in a catalog. However, I really would prefer my children on have correct number of chromosomes so 38 is an automatic disqualifier.
August 10th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Nicochoski,
I assume you’re referring to my statements about dominance.
Let me try to explain it this way.
An employee that won’t do as I want gets fired, or I fuck with his schedule and ride him about his work product until he quits. I feel nothing but pleasure and relief when firing people.
With women the never ending shit tests and rebellions only inspire contempt. The natural lack of respect that is inherent in the beast is offensive in the extreme. As well I can’t be around people I don’t trust. I grow to hate them.
Given all of that no one had explained what the long term benefit of all my efforts. I see how the woman benefits. I see nothing in it for me but labor, eternal vigilance, obligation and responsibility. Oh and sex.
August 10th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
@ M Simon:
“It is possible to play Game so you keep on good terms with the exes. In fact I introduced the first mate to several of my exes. One of them was a friend of the first mate for about 5 or 6 years while we lived in the area.
There is no need to leave an excess of wreckage while having your fun.
And it has advantages. It makes the mate think, “How can I succeed where she failed?” Very handy.”
I guess that’s a solution. However, I find it easier not having the guilt around me. I mean every person is different when it comes to these things. Recently I have improved by keeping friends around even if something has happened with them. It’s a good and supporting environment that I find even helps with picking up new girls.
@ Badpainter
“With women the never ending shit tests and rebellions only inspire contempt. The natural lack of respect that is inherent in the beast is offensive in the extreme. As well I can’t be around people I don’t trust. I grow to hate them.”
I find I start to despise the person I am with as soon as I start to recognise that what they are doing are shit tests. I mean during the initial encounter you welcome the tests. But as time passes by you want to be able to relax. However as Rollo says, you have to always be on. It’s annoying when you see it, and I usually punish them for shit testing me, which sadly passes the shit test. However I will agree with you that every little shit test you have to face, takes away from the respect that you have for them. Even if you know they can’t control it.
-Niko
August 10th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
nikochoski,
However I will agree with you that every little shit test you have to face, takes away from the respect that you have for them.
Respect is for men, not women. Love is for women.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:05 pm
theasdgamer- “Respect is for men, not women. Love is for women.”
I find it hard to tolerate the mere presence of those who I don’t respect. Loving them is out of the question. Call it a personal flaw.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
“I was lucky enough to be born in 1944.”
“Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) –
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles’ first LP.”
August 10th, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Two Words: Eric Donsky
August 10th, 2014 at 4:09 pm
I think the Red Robin ad is interesting from an economic perspective. Both the ad agency and Red Robin plainly think that cuckoldry is appealing to modern females.
I’m not at all surprised by the deafening silence from the Feminist crowd who claim to be all about gender equality. If the gender roles were reversed in the commercial there would be outrage. (Imagine a 40-ish man leaving his dumpy wife at the table for a young hottie!)
Not a small amount of time and money went into producing the ad. I’m sure it cost plenty to run it on TV. It’s reasonable to expect that this wasn’t a loss leader. Also, MGM/Paramount who made Hercules obviously didn’t have any problems with associating their product with the ad. They have the potential to create a much larger hypergamous footprint than Red Robin does.
We have had the male as gullible idiot in modern media for decades now. This is the next step, and I fully expect to see more open hypergamy unless the Feminists kill it to stop their dirty little secret from being exposed to a wider audience. Honestly, I don’t think they care- the VAST majority of men under 50 are Beta Chumps and White Knights who aren’t going to put up a fight.
August 10th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
I just overheard a conversation between two women on the Stockholm metro. Two attractive women around 40 years old talking about some guy that had just dumped one of them. She showed pictures of the guy and described how he had transformed from this decent looking (also in this 40s) guy to really hot but also how his personality had changed, he had become “devilish”. The breakup had been about some kind of joint business venture were he had gotten pissed at her and accused her of gold digging. They seemed equal parts amused and puzzled by his transformation. Also, she had mentioned how he had tried to be the dominant actor in their relationship and that “I stepped back, if he wanted the reins he could have them, but he’d need to step up and prove that he could give me what I need”.
It was a bit eerie, sometimes I wonder how much blogs like this describe and how much they create reality.
I’m just now reading a long feminist essay about power dynamics in hetero relationships (a recommendation from a friend who is fed up with relationships, it’s a classic in swedish feminism) and I find myself agreeing with the analysis but not the cause of the power imbalance (or seeing it as a problem). I was surprised since my recent rejection of feminist ideology and politics was what caused me to seek out this blog in the first place. Sociologists, even very ideological ones, can make accurate descriptions of reality, even if they’ll fail to understand the root causes.
August 10th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
@ M Simon
“Alphaness is for the most part not intrinsic. It can be learned.”
I heavily disagree with that statement. Many studies that cover masculinity, height, body size, and voice all conclude that Alpha, for the most part, is intrinsic. When you think about it, it has to be. Both women and men go after ‘honest signals’ in mates and too many faulty signals would have been costly for the survival of the human race. I recall reading one of Rollo’s maxims and it went something along the lines of “Women love you for WHAT you are, not WHO you are.” I believe this ties well into the belief that Alpha is intrinsic.
August 10th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
Do you read here, but you haven’t purchased/reviewed The Rational Male (book)?
Here’s my review, still in process:
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He is a successful man. His wife is well-educated, has an amazing career and people comment on their happiness together when they’re in public.
They’re ‘that couple’ that people wish they could be, because they obviously love each other, yet they’re still young.
My grandparents enjoyed choosing to be that kind of couple for almost 70 years until she passed away. He’s not interested in dating any other woman, she’s gone, but she’s still the love of his life.
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My initial interest in psychology was due to the want of a better understanding of the often difficult personalities I was forced to deal with in my career, so personality studies and behaviorism was a natural fit for me.”
Much of what I have compiled in this book is the direct result of over a decade of applying these schools of psychology to the gender dynamics I’ve experienced personally, as well as the collective experiences of millions of men around the world.”~Rollo Tomassi
Rollo Tomassi encourages open discussion through an unmoderated comment section. Each post receives hundreds of comments from his seven million (and growing) readers.
If you believe he is wrong, he wants to learn why, modify, refine…:
Again, he makes it clear:
“Most of the concepts you will hear in this book are the result of over a decade of debate, critical inquiry and refinement. However, in most cases, I still encourage their questioning and none are unmodifiable or above further refinement.”~Rollo Tomassi
So, “The Rational Male” is not a collection proving the rightness of all peer-reviewed stuff from a well-funded studies. A study so vast and long term would be too expensive for most Universities. I respect that. Universities are super valuable.
This, instead, is based on the real-life stories of millions of people mined from more than a decade of work put into a forum of ideas.
Rollo Tomassi writes, “This forum would become my testing ground for connecting the dots I was beginning to become aware of…”
“You’ll love me and you’ll hate me
You’ll think “well, not in my case, and here’s why,..” or you’ll think “wow this is some really ground breaking stuff.” I’m not a psychologist, or a PUA, or a men’s rights activist, or a motivational speaker
I’m just a guy who’s connected some dots”
If you only trust what’s in scientific/academic/peer-reviewed journals, you’ll be correct on countless breakthroughs.
However, when it comes to relationships, whatever the journals have created has not improved the the low marriage rates or the extremely high divorce rates.
Hard science takes credit for saving my life, but until recently, the knowledge that saved my life was not published in any medical journal.
That’s right.
I AM ALIVE, WALKING AND TALKING AGAIN, BECAUSE A MAN CONNECTED SOME DOTS.
That man questioned ALL of the ‘hard science’ and, despite all of the naysayers in hard science, he kept on saving lives through his choice to keep testing to find what worked.
Because he did that every day for more than 33 years, I am alive today.
The medical journals have recently published what he and his teams has discovered which has saved my life.
Don’t get me wrong here. I believe that hard science is valuable, but with the advancements in fields like nanotechnology… solutions in batteries: “Axium can produce novel nanocomposite materials at high volume & low cost that deliver breakthrough products for air filtration, water filtration and power generation. We are commercializing a lithium ion battery that can last 10 times longer on a single charge and can be mass manufactured, which can revolutionize the consumer electronics, medical device and automotive industries.” Hard science has disagreed with each of these in the past.”~Eric Donsky
Hello Prius, Tesla, Lexus…
“I have always been afraid of being ordinary, so I have a 24 hour attitude for gratitude and a zest for learning.” ~Eric Donsky
Rollo Tomassi knows the importance of attitude and learning, and this makes Rollo Tomassi, like Eric Donsky, able to see how to do the impossible even when hard science and journals of academia disagree with his work.
“…they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things”~Steve Jobs
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Rollo Tomassi makes money at the top of his fields of expertise outside of writing.
When his readers have asked if they can donate to his blog, he sends them to a link to an outside charity. He asks that you NOT reference his name or “The Rational Male” if you make a donation.
“From the outset of my writings I’ve never made any attempt to take financial gain from it, nor do I have plans to do so in the future. I don’t do seminars. I don’t do DVDs. What I offer at The Rational Male is for the benefit of anyone, and to encourage public discourse about the (often controversial) topics characteristic of this blog.
That said, if what I’ve written here (on the blog) has benefitted you in a significant way and you’d like to show some appreciation for it, I would request that you make an anonymous donation to Gold Coast Greyhound Adoptions. I would respectfully request you not reference The Rational Male in this donation. The amount isn’t important and you can donate via the Paypal link on their site.”
~Rollo Tomassi
If you enjoy learning from this blog, have you have you purchased his book and reviewed it?
In the comment sections of the blog, I’ve seen hundreds of comments in which people have said something like, “I wish I had this book when I was __ years of age, my life would have been so much better.”
Well, now it’s here. And, if you have a closed mind to new, exhaustively-researched ideas, this book will be a wonderful source of comedy for you… that is, until you realize that you agree with some of the concepts.
~
That’s my Amazon review of “The Rational Male”
by Rollo Tomassi.
Where’s yours?
~Sam Botta
August 10th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Life imitates art.
All, how soon until we see a pendulum swing back?
August 10th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
What I find interessting about this clip is that it only shows the reaction of the woman and of the beta.
Alas, alphas have brains too and after witnessing this scene how could she ever be more to him than a fuck and chuck?
August 10th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
@theasdgamer
I completely disagree with that. A woman will not love you until she respects you. And I cannot love someone until I respect them. This applies to man – man relationships and man – woman relationships. Respect doesn’t go towards the gender but rather who hides behind his/her skull.
Respect doesn’t imply obedience. In the same way you will respect a mate’s opinion, you will respect a woman’s opinion even if you disagree with her. I am of the opinion that people should do what they like. If she likes to be with me, this is who I am and what I like to do, live with it. If she wants to enjoy other things as well that’s up to her. Again I exercise no control over her.
A woman knows what’s right to do and what’s wrong. A woman will do wrong things (towards a relationship) if she is unhappy. Also a woman will be happy, if you are happy. You are only happy when you are being yourself unaltered by her presence in your life.
I guess what I am trying to say is. Having or not having a woman in your life shouldn’t change who you are and how you behave. In addition respect shouldn’t be saved just for men in your life. That is completely missing the point. Respect should be saved for people who deserve it, whether they are rocking a sausage, cleavage or both.
August 10th, 2014 at 7:45 pm
Let’s put it this way – there’s no law against hypergamy and there’s no law against sexism of the female kind, in fact the environment has been prepared and created where they can be as sexist or misandrist(ic) as they wish, because they have the entire media industrial complex behind them. The game has been flipped completely and it is legitimised by the system. And her we think we (alpha’s and betas) can “game them”. This has got zero to do with M. Simon’s “giving up”. You are looking at spoiled product which has no accountability or responsibility and which has virtually all of the laws of the land behind them. The game has been rigged and we have (have allowed ourselves to) been completely gamed. Either you leave the country or you boycott sex. The latter might bring about a change in attitude on the part of women, but only if you do that en-mass, otherwise it it’s game over! (and how likely is it for men, especially alphas to boycott sex??) Ridiculous idea.
M. Simon is full of it trying to sell the idea that women have not changed at all. They were under very many constraints in the past, including moral, religious, ethical and community based constraints as well as, very importantly: obligations and responsibilities – when communities still existed. They were expected to learn how to cook, keep a house, do “home-making”, knit, sow, etc, etc. Now this might sound extremely outdated, but all of that contributed to at least a basic understanding of responsibility and DUTY as well as gender roles – roles equate responsibilities (and accountability – at least theoretically). All of the aforementioned have been lost.
Now here we are, experiencing the completely free and empowered female in 2014 in all her glory and it’s not a pretty sight… They want to be equals, treat them as equals! Don’t give a fuck! They don’t!! DEMAND responsibility and accountability from them ALWAYS! Society is collapsing because of the inability of women to evolve (become responsible) on their own – and more important, the inability of men to demand that from them.
What are the two most prominent traits of the (modern, empowered, free, independent) woman?
Resistance to: being responsible and being accountable. Pay attention to this and you will notice it as an absolute constant. They want the most freedom/s possible (meaning: privileges and advantages) with the least possible responsibilities and accountability – and this is a concious objective. Alpha males are more guilty of them getting away with this than betas.
August 10th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
” The women are beautiful and the men are strong and smart.”
Ahahahahaha Oh my! Talk about the force (marketing) having a strong influence on the weak minded…
TV is not reality, man. Go to Brooklyn and have a look around…
August 10th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
I just read that excellent post by Live Fearless, and it made me smile from ear to ear. I wish I could have said that all myself, but I’m glad that someone articulated exactly why I keep coming back here.
When you’re blind and feeling around the elephant in the dark, you know it’s something but the shape escapes your comprehension. What’s happened here is that Rollo has provided the light, and by degrees we understand that it’s really an elephant after all; together we are all feeling out the shape and boundaries of this thing. And to further my analogy, that’s why the unpleasant topic nobody wants you to talk about is called the “elephant in the room”; keeping its shape and size hidden allows it to continue working silently against you.
Before I came to RM, I had the vague feeling that something was amiss, something I couldn’t understand that ran counter to everything that friends, family and the women in my life told me was the accepted norm for male/female relatoonships. To say that this website and the mind altering discussions foun her has changed my life is no exaggeration. 1+ years later, and ALL of my relationships have changed for the better; realizing that I AM THE PRIZE has altered literally everything in my life.
Can’t wait for the 2nd book, Rollo; I’m ordering multiple copies this time and giving it to my friend who still believe in the fairy tale.
August 10th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
I cannot love someone until I respect them.
Do women always act like adults, or often like children–due entirely to their biology? Can’t you love a child without respecting a child?
August 10th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
Simon,
You make some good points but your criticism is too focused on the male. At some point, the women should be accountable for what they’ve become–utter slobs. Men being better, more responsible, stronger etc. will only spoil American women to an even more exaggerrated extent. It’s over. The women in this country are in a state of total degeneracy. You say there are no quality men and I couldn’t disagree more strongly. The quality of men is too good and that is what has spoiled the women to such an extent.
August 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
Some people’s supposed emphasis on “honest signals” is completely dishonest.
August 10th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
On second thought, the best response would have been “You want an honest signal, then here’s one for you. Totally honest.”
August 10th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
theasdgamer – “Can’t you love a child without respecting a child?”
A child yes. An adult who behaves like a child and hides behind the excuse of it being her nature despite the intellectual capacity to do otherwise: no.
August 11th, 2014 at 12:23 am
J.J.
August 10th, 2014 at 7:45 pm
You are confusing nature with politics. You attack my point “Women have not changed” with a litany of political changes.
I understand women have you by the balls. But did you have to let them steal you brains as well?
Women are hypergamous. You can make them behave by dominance.
melmoth
August 10th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
Women are utter slobs because that is all the effort they need to put in. i.e. They are responding to the males.
And you are thinking that women are like men. They are not. They have only one purpose and they are fitted for that. Getting pregnant with the best sperm they can capture. Raising children. And to accomplish that purpose they are designed to throw away any concept (like honor) that proves inconvenient to that purpose.
Evidently your Red Pill has not yet taken.
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As to the point up thread that not all men can be Alphas in the reproductive sense. It is true. I should have said: All men can learn dominance. And that is the sense I meant “alpha”.
But biology may be more determining than I think. Maybe all men can’t practice dominance. Maybe there is not enough testosterone to go around.
August 11th, 2014 at 12:38 am
Gavin
August 10th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
In Brooklyn there is no fight for survival (tooth and claw). Same genetic stock (roughly) different results. The environments are different.
Look at the different attitudes of those two places towards weapons.
And you may note that by our typical Western political yard stick Brooklyn is left and that other place is far right.
Where the men are weak the women will be ugly.
You see the same thing anywhere in America. Go to a biker bar and look at the women. Compare that with what you see around you.
August 11th, 2014 at 1:35 am
Just a note to say no one has offered any description of what I stand to gain from becoming the more perfect man.
So far my responsibilities and shortcomings have been detailed but apparently there no incentives that justify the effort. Should I understand this to mean that there is only duty and anxiety, criticism, never ending work, misery and not a moments peace in the offing?
August 11th, 2014 at 1:58 am
Badpainter
August 11th, 2014 at 1:35 am
Just a note to say no one has offered any description of what I stand to gain from becoming the more perfect man.
Well there are at least few possibilities.
1. Nothing
2. More control over your life
I can’t see ceding power to the women (MGTOW). It starts with individual acts of active resistance (dominance) and if that spreads through the culture the laws will change.
First change: No man should be forced to be responsible for children that are not his own. If we can get that on an individual basis we can then go after welfare. Having established the principle.
And we can also – to be balanced – go after corporate welfare. You will never stamp it out totally (road contracts, government buildings). But it ought to be possible to greatly reduce it.
This giving up just because the odds are against you is against my nature. Is it against yours?
August 11th, 2014 at 2:15 am
M. Simon,
What you just described in no way touches on what benefits I can expect from making the effort to obtain an LTR. Larger political issues are separate from what I was asking about.
Then you suggest these possibilities:
1. Nothing
2. More control over your life
How do I have less control over my life eschewing LTRs? I certainly have less control over someone else’s life which bothers me not in the least.
Nothing is not an incentive because it is nothing.
August 11th, 2014 at 2:47 am
Badpainter
August 11th, 2014 at 2:15 am
The only point of an LTR is children. If you don’t want a family don’t engage.
Politically you will be harmed. You will be paying for other men’s children. Beta bucks in political action.
I decided on a family because I thought I had something worth while (genetically) to offer the next generation. I have not been disappointed.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:07 am
M. Simon – “Politically you will be harmed. You will be paying for other men’s children. Beta bucks in political action”
Actually that bothers me much less than paying off the elderly who made this shit sandwich. Before we starve the children, you know the future, let’s kill Social Security and Medicare. I’ll not see a dime of it anyway so nothing’s to lose on my end. Ending wealth transfers to the old might actually save what’s left of the corpse of America.
You might keepin mind the difference between you andthe MGTOWs is they have nothing’s lose, and based on what you’ve said nothing to gain.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:40 am
Badpainter
August 11th, 2014 at 3:07 am
Actually if you have been following along you would know that what I gained was an intact family. The OL did not go running off with some “stud” taking my wallet and a claim on my future income with her. Not to mention having some “stepfather” molesting my daughter.
Those are not insignificant gains.
If you are not interested in making children of course what I can give you from dominance is worthless. Unless what you want to do is spin a LOT of plates. Which I also did.
So yeah. I have nothing to offer you. Why waste time here? Isn’t there a video game waiting for you in your basement?
August 11th, 2014 at 4:17 am
M. Simon,
Why is that you think that your experience has any relevance to younger men today? You’ve been married since I was three. You are not an active participant in the current SMV. You do not have to engage in any sort of romantic relationship with modern women. Things have changed in ways you cannot fully appreciate. It’s akin to giving me advice on how to deal with computer upgrades and software issues for Windows 8 based on your expertise with punch card IBM mainframes.
And nice shaming attempt with whole video game thing. All class.
Today’s women are fit for little more than recreational sex. Especially those over 35. I will no more teach one to be a proper woman than expect one of them to teach me be a proper man. That was her parents job.
If you want to motivate younger men personal attacks aren’t going to work. Those of unplugging later in life already suffered those tactics from your generation in force feeding us the Bluepill. Why should we trust you? Where the hell were you 20 yers ago when it might have made difference? You offer nothing to us but scorn, and servitude. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
Perhaps you should try to be aspirational. Or perhaps you should retire and simply get out of our way. When we need someone to regale us with stories of Woodstock, or the Kennedy assassination we’ll call.
August 11th, 2014 at 6:37 am
Badpainter
August 11th, 2014 at 4:17 am
Good question.
My best short answer is that I still get hit on by 7s, 8s, and 9s 20 somethings these days. It amuses the first mate to no end. And binds her tighter to me. My guess is that testosterone has a silent smell and girls just love it. And you get that from supreme self confidence.
Look at monkey tribes where alpha-beta dynamics are prevalent. The alphas are max testosterone and the betas are subdued. Unless one intends to challenge the alpha.
These days as long as you don’t go after another guy’s girl the dangers are minimal.
I guess what I have to say is not for guys who have the attitude “Why even try?” I suppose if I was still spinning plates I would just say, “More for me.”
All I would say to you is what I have been saying. Women haven’t changed. Men have just self segregated into alphas and betas. And the betas have to settle for occasional leftovers.
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To the guy up thread who asked how can you tell if a woman is fertile? Well you can’t. But if you want to try and start a family don’t get married until you knock her up. The first mate was 8 1/2 months into it when we made it legal.
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So where to go to find what you want? Pick a small college town. Don’t go to college. Just work the available talent until you find some one suitable. In those places there will be an excess of females and so working them will be relatively easy.
August 11th, 2014 at 9:21 am
re: MSimon and Badpainter, agreeing more than they think.
“They have only one purpose and they are fitted for that.”
“Today’s women are fit for little more than recreational sex.”
Both agree the ultimate value of females to males is utilitarian, and vice versa. And both agree they do not want to be locked into serving females. MSimon’s version of struggling against the overarching feminine imperative is to advocate more men bravely if stupidly foward marching, conquering a little bit of ground by dogged bulldozing, and planting his flag by dominating his patch. Badpainter possibly correctly advocates not bothering, since the little patch won’t be worth the effort.
I guess it just comes down to the old question of whether a little something is better than a lot of nothing, i.e. whether to be or not to be.
August 11th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Women crave security; and men crave security AND freedom.
“A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”
James 1:8
It seems to me that most of the problems facing men today perhaps can be explained by the fact that so-called betas are trying to go in two different directions at once. The want security, the stable job, the nice house and car, the pretty wife and the 2.4 children. However, they also desire freedom. They want to be able to come and go. They want to live the life of the care-free bachelor, while still receiving all the perks and creature comforts of the married man with kids.
However, you simply cannot have both. It is childishness and even the beginning of madness to crave both. Pick one or the other, and silently and uncomplainingly take the plus with the negative.
Women don’t want freedom, they want security. An instinctive desire for security at all costs and a terror of losing it is the root cause of all baffling, baffling at least to men, female behaviour. Women simply can’t understand men’s desire for freedom. To her freedom means poverty, poor housing,horrible clothes,uncertain mealtimes, looking 15-20 years older than your chronological age and an early death. To the female mind men’s restlessness and desire to be free of the constraints of security doesn’t strike women as noble or manly. No, women think that men who won’t commit 100% to the economic system with all its myriad benefits are clearly mentally unstable and/or immature. The idea that most men have in the back of their minds to one day go off and live a hand to mouth existence, with no boss and no structure to their daily lives appalls and terrifies women.
The reason why women are strongly attracted to rich and powerful men is because women recognise that such men are NOT thinking about going off into the woods to commune with nature and perhaps write that Great American Novel. No, such men give clear, unmistakable signs that they are 100% committed to our economic system. Women don’t crave all this because they’re materialistic bitches. They do it because their survival instinct which has been honed for 2 million years tells them to find such men attractive and this proven survival instinct will NOT be over-ruled just because you’re a beta who dreams of becoming a mountain man!
So men what is it to be:security or freedom? You cannot have both! Be quite sure of this in your mind! Pick one option and stick with it! Don’t go off and live in your car, picking produce in the summer and driving the length and breadth of the country AND then moan about how no decent woman will look at you. If you commit 100% to security and you once and for all forget about ‘freedom’ you are now free to really concentrate on getting that promotion, starting your own business etc. Remember that biblical quote at the beginning of this post? I’ll post it here just so you can fully take in its message.
“A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”
James 1:8
August 11th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Badpainter has summed it all up perfectly, and as usual the Boomer has no real response except self absorbed MEMEME post hoc rationalizations and insults.
As a gen Xer I grew up with Boomers doing nothing but offering criticism and insults, while endlessly praising themselves at every opportunity. Now I watch them do the same to the millennial and following generations.
Boomers can not die off soon enough.
August 11th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/20/the-warrior-gene-is-alpha-genetic/
This study has given me a lot more to think about in terms of how we define Alpha, but it correlates well with my prior Alpha concepts. Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic.
August 11th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
“such men give clear, unmistakable signs that they are 100% committed to our economic system”
100% committed to running it into the ground for their own benefit? Pollution? Resource depletion? Debt? Whose debt? Not theirs, no… your children. your grandchildren.
Elle’s quote, combined with M Simon’s quotes of Patton rhapsodizing about how to be good little cannon fodder, makes me wonder:
When is the sphere going to wake up and realize, it’s the men at the top who are fucking them just as much or more than they think women are?
Who do you think heads the corporations, the film studios, the marketing and advertising agencies, the newspapers, and the government agencies that have created this situation?
Watch Adam Curtis’ films for the BBC:
Century of the Self
The Trap
All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
It’s all orchestrated. THEY DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. They will sell you out. They will send you to your death and brainwash you to be proud of it. They will work you until you are broken, obsolete, or until they find someone cheaper elsewhere (or let them in across the border), or make a machine to do it instead.
I’m sorry Rollo, I know you don’t want this blog to be political, but it is unavoidable past any sort of depth. The Red Pill, at its heart, is about Power. The truth is, most men are not only expendable and replaceable in the eyes of women, they are to OTHER MEN as well… and have been throughout history, so this is likely to be just as encoded into our evopsych firmware as any of the other stuff we talk about here.
Human society looks to me like a pyramid, with a small number of men at the top, women mostly in the middle, and the majority of men at the bottom.
If you’ve figured this out, it’s your choice to legally, nonviolently live your life in such a way that you feed it as little as possible (considering where it all appears to be going). This is a totally legit response, especially if you belong to one of the lost (read:screwed) generations following the Boomers.
August 11th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
jf12
August 11th, 2014 at 9:21 am
It is a question of do you want children or not?
If you don’t women are not worth the bother.
If you do want a family you either dominate her or become road kill. Road kill was never my idea of a good time.
And jf12 When I was spinning plates I didn’t get just a little.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
D-Man
August 11th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
ISIS is coming for you boy. And you will either find a pair or get your throat slit.
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56481&wf=rsscol
And Putin has designs on your European friends.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/11/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0GB0DW20140811
As does ISIS.
You think going beta has little consequence outside your personal world. You should study the history of the 1930s. It followed a period of open hypergamy and wimpery in the 20s.
By my calculation it is early 1939. Won’t be long now.
I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yard-stick of convention. – A. C.
Thing is. As much as you want to believe otherwise you can’t avoid human nature. It will come calling when you least desire it.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
I want this to go up sooner so I’m splitting it:
D-Man
August 11th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
ISIS is coming for you boy. And you will either find a pair or get your throat slit.
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56481&wf=rsscol
August 11th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
And Putin has designs on your European friends.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/11/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0GB0DW20140811
As does ISIS.
You think going beta has little consequence outside your personal world. You should study the history of the 1930s. It followed a period of open hypergamy and wimpery in the 20s.
By my calculation it is early 1939. Won’t be long now.
I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yard-stick of convention. – A. C.
Thing is. As much as you want to believe otherwise you can’t avoid human nature. It will come calling when you least desire it.