The War on Paternity

One of the most pressing imperatives human males (really most primates) have evolved is a need for certainty in their own paternity. Up until the last century with the advent of DNA testing it has been an imperative that has really been at the control of any female with whom a man copulates with. Indeed, even today a ‘father’ is really whomever’s name a woman puts on a birth certificate, generally no questions asked (and no information relayed) of that mother by the OBGYN doctors. Prior to the Sexual Revolution and the millennia leading up to it social and religious controls were instituted to keep rampant Hypergamy in check. An argument could be made that, even in a post-agrarian social order, ubiquitous monogamy and marriage were socially mandated as a way to not only control for women’s Hypergamous impulses, but were also the only practical means of control over certifying that a man’s child was of his own genetic line. And even this had its flaws.

Up until the advent of genetic testing the only practical, somewhat assured failsafe for knowing paternity was long term, pair-bonded monogamy and the social conventions that were instituted around it. Men’s sexual strategy (our masculine imperative) is scattershot. Our biology functions such that we can father countless children with each ejaculation and continue to do so well into our later years of life. This strategy is a counterbalance to women’s quality-over-quantity approach to their own sexual strategy. For each environmental obstacle one sex’s reproductive imperatives poses, the other will evolve contingent strategies to compensate for it.

To understand this conflict all we need to consider is the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies – For one sex’s strategy to be fulfilled the other’s must be compromised or abandoned. 

For men, in a social order founded on monogamous pair-bonding, this means abandoning his scattershot sexual strategy and adopting the strategic goals of women’s strategy. What were looking at here for men is exactly the type of evolved contingent strategy I mention above – abandoning his sexual imperative to essentially bet his genetic legacy on one horse, rather than diversifying his odds with, potentially, many sexual opportunities. This is a very important distinction for Red Pill aware men to make with regards to their own sex; opting in for long-term monogamy over a man’s evolved sexual strategy (scattershot) represents adopting a woman’s (ultimate) sexual strategy as his own. This dynamic is defined by what’s called strategic pluralism theory:

According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits. Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues. Consequently, women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators or those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000). The most straightforward prediction that follows is that women seeking short-term mates, when the man’s only contribution to offspring is genetic, should prefer muscularity more than women seeking long-term mates.

If we consider that men are overwhelmingly (80%+) rated as unattractive by women today we begin to see the adaptive logic of strategic pluralism for men. Less opportunity equals less potential to follow a man’s sexual imperative. Solution: invest all your sperm and all your efforts into one long-term bet; reproduction with one or relatively few sexual partners – and if you can build social and moral conventions around this adaptive strategy to reinforce it, so much the better.

If men can compel intrasexually competing men, and women (whose strategy might be compromised by adopting it), to believe that monogamy is a social and moral imperative, then they increase the odds that they’ll successfully circumvent what would otherwise be the natural limitations of their own reproduction.

As you can probably guess, this adaptation for singular parental investment imposed a much higher premium on men’s need for certainty of their own paternity. To be sure, the Alpha Males of most primates have a habit of killing the offspring of any prior Alpha that had access to fertile females in a group prior to his own breeding with them. This infanticide is yet another adaptive insurance that a male primate can be certain that any resources, protection and parental investment he put into any progeny would be of his own paternal line. If it can be assumed that the importance of paternity is a primary, evolved drive in primates, how much more imperative must it be for human males adopting a sexual strategy of singular investment? How much more imperative must it be for women to collectively confuse paternity within a social collective (tribe) and protect against a perceived threat of infanticide or loss of resource provisioning if left on their own?

Even in our march towards ‘civilization’ we find this anti-paternity bias in the killing of male members of a social collective while preserving fertile females for potential breeding purposes. Today we may not be killing the sons of rival clansmen, but we can certainly see the paternity bias in how we regard kin affiliation above out-group affiliation in our personal dealings. Concerns of paternity, for men, evolved to be part of our mental firmware – and certainty of it became of paramount importance.

Strategic pluralism, however, is not without its own counter contingencies. Even within a social and moral environment that restricts Hypergamy, women are still psychologically compelled to optimize their own sexual strategy to its fullest. 8,000 years ago 17 women reproduced for every 1 man – and this was after the advent of agriculture. There’ve been other studies that reduce this number to a 5 to 1 ratio, but still the fact remains that even in a social order that (ostensibly) prioritizes pair-bonded monogamy, women have provably found ways to optimize Hypergamy and confuse paternity to a socially stable degree. Thus, we see counter-adaptations in behavior on the part of men to mate guard, to once again, insure certainty of paternity. Even in the relative stability of monogamy, men’s psychological imperative for paternity supersedes the social environment.

Cuckoldry by Any Other Name

As I’ve mentioned in prior essays, cuckoldry deserves a much broader definition today; one that goes beyond the obvious duplicity of birth fraud. Women have found that by tweaking the social conventions that would limit their own sexual strategy they can circumvent the monogamous side of sexual pluralism socially enforced by men. Thus, we get new feminine-primary social conventions that celebrate, socially reward and positively reinforce men’s acceptance of the parental investment responsibilities of other men who fathered children with a woman they’ve pair-bonded with. Step-dads get the big thumbs up and we rejigger the positive reinforcement to downplay father’s day and replace it with special person’s day.

Now, consider this with respect to the potential for infanticide that a woman’s hindbrain believes men are capable of. That fear of infanticide represents a root-level limbic part of women’s evolved need to optimize Hypergamy and the great potential for loss of having optimized it in her offspring. So imperative is this to the female psyche that it became necessary to socially condition men’s evolved paternity need out of them once women and the Feminine Imperative became the dominant social driver.

On a larger social scale, one that is defined by a post-Sexual Revolution, feminine-primary social order, the answer is simple and total; men must be convinced to completely abandon their biological imperative of parental certainty before they commit to a monogamous relationship with a woman. Socially, we make paper heroes of men who will accept the parental investment responsibilities of a child he didn’t sire. That ‘heroism’ of the guy who accepts his assigned role as a retroactive cuckold is short-lived, but the archetype of that guy who ‘man’s up’ and adopts the children of a single mother is now embedded into our modern folklore.

I would also argue that a large part of the Blue Pill conditioning of men for the past 5 generations can find its roots in women’s need to optimize Hypergamy while ensuring the security that once she does a provider-male will step in to fulfill his role as a dutiful cuckold. In order to achieve this, free from the fear of infanticide, boys and men must be conditioned to unequivocally revoke any need for certainty of their own paternity.

A few years ago I outlined the next step in Open Hypergamy would be transitioning to a state of normalized and accepted Open Cuckoldry. Wrapped into this transition is also the social efforts to normalize a feminine-controlled form of polyamory – one in which primarily a woman is presented with the options and control of exercising both the short-term sexual, and long-term provisional, sides of Hypergamy. Today this is what’s termed a polyamorous relationship with male partners representing Alpha seed and Beta need. In moving from a normalized state of Open Hypergamy to Open Cuckoldry there are a series of social changes that need to occur and find acceptance in the general population of men. One of these changes is a large scale, socialized effort to get men to accept that their biological imperative to ascertain paternity – even the questioning of paternity – be equated with “toxic” masculinity.

The War on Paternity

Increasingly we are seeing a push on the part of the Feminine Imperative to delegitimize the innate need of men to ensure their paternity. It’s actually an aspect of a war that’s been going on since the Sexual Revolution to redefine masculinity and fatherhood. As I mentioned in Positive Masculinity the definition of what makes a father is becoming more and more ambiguous, while fathers become increasingly more superfluous. In order to complete this delegitimization of masculinity men must be convinced that their innate need to know paternity, and the importance they inherently place on it, is something to be ashamed of.

Every social mandate we see today puts the interests of the mother and child well above that of any father. This is why paternity is rarely ever a factor in issues of child support; even for children that a man didn’t father but is held legally liable for. Socially, even religiously, any importance of paternity for men is being systematically erased. From doctors being gagged from informing cuckolded fathers of genetic tests, to limiting their access to DNA tests themselves, to encouraging men to ‘man up’ and marry single mothers as a moral imperative, paternity for men is now some sort of shameful insecurity.

Why would the Feminine Imperative seek to root out what has been a fundamental, evolved, part of men’s mental firmware since the time of our hunter/gatherer beginnings? Because Hypergamy needs security. Hypergamy needs assurances to quell the doubt that a woman has optimized both the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks aspects of her sexual strategy. I would argue that men’s psychological need for certainties in his paternity is on par with the need women have of certainties in their need for optimizing Hypergamy.

All this war on paternity amounts to is an ensuring that women’s unquestioned, unilateral control over Hypergamy is baked into men on a societal level. Convincing men to abandon any claims on certainty of paternity, and at the same time shaming men who put any importance on it, is an effort on the part of the Feminine Imperative to get men to surrender their sexual strategy by abandoning it wholesale, while praising them for playing a willing role in fulfilling women’s sexual (and life) strategy. Even when that sexual strategy is one where a man acknowledges his lesser sexual market value and seeks to put all his investment into one woman, the push to delegitimize men’s need for paternity circumvents this strategy.

Delegitimizing men’s need for paternity cancels any and every upside that long-term monogamy had for Beta men using this sexual strategy. Thus, a return to a scattershot, some would say ‘less civilized’ sexual strategy becomes the only obvious alternative for men who want parental certainty.

Erasing the importance of paternity for men is literally the last nail in the coffin that is now contemporary marriage. It reduces men to little more than draft animals and livestock for women’s breeding purposes by erasing any claim a man may have to know his children are his own.  Most well-conditioned Blue Pill men adopt this archetype unquestioningly. There are no ‘Fathers’ anymore; all men are interchangeably either breeding stock or simply childcare workers in this new social framework. And boys and young men’s pre-acceptance of this state of men is part of their Blue Pill conditioning.

To fully effect Open Cuckoldry the goal of the Feminine Imperative is to have men define masculinity as accepting parental investment as separate and apart from evolved concerns of paternity.

298 comments

  1. “For men, in a social order founded on monogamous pair-bonding, this means abandoning his scattershot sexual strategy and adopting the strategic goals of women’s strategy. What were looking at here for men is exactly the type of evolved contingent strategy I mention above – abandoning his sexual imperative to essentially bet his genetic legacy on one horse, rather than diversifying his odds with, potentially, many sexual opportunities. This is a very important distinction for Red Pill aware men to make with regards to their own sex; opting in for long-term monogamy over a man’s evolved sexual strategy (scattershot) represents adopting a woman’s (ultimate) sexual strategy as his own. This dynamic is defined by what’s called strategic pluralism theory:”
    http://www.clasp.org/sites/default/files/public/resources-and-publications/publication-1/0111.pdf

    https://www.childsupport.ny.gov/dcse/pdfs/4418.pdf

    O’ farther where art thou
    http://bit.ly/2guAEsR

  2. ‘All this war on paternity amounts to is an ensuring that women’s unquestioned, unilateral control over Hypergamy is baked into men on a societal level. Convincing men to abandon any claims on certainty of paternity, and at the same time shaming men who put any importance on it, is an effort on the part of the Feminine Imperative to get men to surrender their sexual strategy by abandoning it wholesale, while praising them for playing a willing role in fulfilling women’s sexual (and life) strategy. Even when that sexual strategy is one where a man acknowledges his lesser sexual market value and seeks to put all his investment into one woman, the push to delegitimize men’s need for paternity circumvents this strategy.”
    http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1009_reg.html

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10995-017-2370-4

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/663090/summary

  3. “Increasingly we are seeing a push on the part of the Feminine Imperative to delegitimize the innate need of men to ensure their paternity. It’s actually an aspect of a war that’s been going on since the Sexual Revolution to redefine masculinity and fatherhood. As I mentioned in Positive Masculinity the definition of what makes a father is becoming more and more ambiguous, while fathers become increasingly more superfluous. In order to complete this delegitimization of masculinity men must be convinced that their innate need to know paternity, and the importance they inherently place on it, is something to be ashamed of.’
    http://insidestory.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/

    https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/fatherhood.pdf

    https://ifstudies.org/blog/establishing-paternity-and-responsible-fatherhood

  4. “Up until the advent of genetic testing the only practical, somewhat assured failsafe for knowing paternity was long term, pair-bonded monogamy and the social conventions that were instituted around it. Men’s sexual strategy (our masculine imperative) is scattershot. Our biology functions such that we can father countless children with each ejaculation and continue to do so well into our later years of life. This strategy is a counterbalance to women’s quality-over-quantity approach to their own sexual strategy. For each environmental obstacle one sex’s reproductive imperatives poses, the other will evolve contingent strategies to compensate for it.”

    http://www.apa.org/pi/families/resources/changing-father.aspx

    https://aeon.co/essays/swedens-hands-on-dads-and-the-hormones-of-fatherhood

    “2. Fatherhood, Fathers and Paternity
    Although fatherhood and paternity are often used as synonyms, there is a clear distinction between the two terms. Fatherhood describes the social interaction with the child. Paternity is concerned with biological descend, succession and legal issues.

    The term fatherhood is defined as “the state of being a father”.[2] This state is achieved by accepting the obligations, rights and duties that arise from the responsibility for the child. Normally, the biological father takes the role, but another male adult close to the child can replace him. As the concept of fatherhood is based on social interaction, mutual acceptance of both roles is obligatory for a smooth course in a father-son-relationship. As we will see later on, this mutual “contract” between father and son is recalled by Simon Dedalus and adds to Stephen’s identity crisis. Suddenly, Stephen is in the position of not having a father has to look for a replacement.

    The concept of fatherhood is not restricted to one person. A child can have several fathers like a father can have several children. Stephen exchanges his biological father for the priests in the church and even feels the vocation to become one of them. Later on the process of exchange is repeated when he dissociates from the priests and takes Dedalus the artificer as his new role model. In Stephen’s case, the fathers are displaced by their successor and do not coexist. This reflects paternity as a temporal descent: fatherhood is bequeathed to the next in line.

    Also, fatherhood refers metaphorically to parenthood of an idea or a work of art. Although Stephen has no children of his own, we can analyse him fathering his spiritual creations. His first attempt to become a spiritual father, his plan to become a priest, is soon abandoned. He feels that he is not able to restrict his senses but rather has to include them in his spiritual begetting. He then turns to literature and finally finds in this his own way of being a father.

    The word father is not only used to describe a family member, but it is assigned to people who hold a high position in society. In our novel we encounter Christian priests who are the spiritual leaders of the Irish community and are referred to as fathers. This is connected to the foundation of Christian religion. God created the first human beings in his image and all other humans descend from them. In Catholicism, the priests act as agents of God on earth and therefore take the role of spiritual fathers for their community. They take up responsibilities of rearing their children und guiding them through life.

    The term paternity is often used when we talk about biological descent, lineage and the legal acknowledgement of children. It is commonly assumed that the husband of a pregnant woman is the biological father of the child. However, using the word “assumed” shows that paternity goes hand in hand with doubt. Before the modern paternity test there was only the word of the mother to determine the father clearly. This deepens even more the doubt, because according to Christian mythology women are inferior to men and are more susceptible to lies and treachery. The concept of paternity is one of the main issues in Christian belief. Based on the bible, the concept of paternity influenced the structure of Western European society and its institutions immensely. Doubting paternity leads to doubting the constitution of society, as we can see for example in John Locke’s Two Treatises of Government, where the author claims that “jure divino” would only be rightful for the heir of Adam. “But since it is impossible to discover the true heir of Adam, no government […] can require that its members obey its rulers.”[3] Locke uses his argumentation to support his own concept of society. Stephen’s approach to paternity and his close examination of the problem follows a similar goal. He uses his findings to re-evaluate the relationship to his father, to change the social structure of their relationship and to free himself of obligations and duties to Simon Dedalus.

    In A Portrait Stephen experiences the spiritual loss of his father and replaces him by others. He explores his own fatherhood (vocation, writing), but it is not until “Ulysses” that he deals with the topic explicitly and discusses the concept of paternity on a theoretical level.

    3. Father Figures
    Stephen’s search for a father figure is a metaphor for his search of a goal in life. On the other hand, every father figure expresses certain expectations of what should become of him. Confronted with these expectations, Stephen withdraws from them and turns to the next potential father figure until he finds the suitable father.

    The first two father figures (Simon Dedalus and the Catholic priests) are mirror images and represent the common idea of fatherhood: male adults who guide the child through childhood and youth, forming him through social interaction.

    The second group of fathers, his namesakes, is different. Their influence on Stephen is already within him from birth. Stephen possesses their abilities and character traits. That’s why he identifies himself with them rather than with the people he lives with.

    Joyce thereby introduces his concept of fatherhood and paternity. He attaches importance to the cultural heritage bequeathed by history and undermines the power of biological origins. The historic significance of art and their transfer is more influential than the expectations of the biological and spiritual fathers.”
    http://www.grin.com/en/e-book/138777/fatherhood-and-paternity-in-joyce-s-a-portrait-of-the-artist-as-a-young

  5. ‘One of the most pressing imperatives human males (really most primates) have evolved is a need for certainty in their own paternity. Up until the last century with the advent of DNA testing it has been an imperative that has really been at the control of any female with whom a man copulates with. Indeed, even today a ‘father’ is really whomever’s name a woman puts on a birth certificate, generally no questions asked (and no information relayed) of that mother by the OBGYN doctors. Prior to the Sexual Revolution and the millennia leading up to it social and religious controls were instituted to keep rampant Hypergamy in check. An argument could be made that, even in a post-agrarian social order, ubiquitous monogamy and marriage were socially mandated as a way to not only control for women’s Hypergamous impulses, but were also the only practical means of control over certifying that a man’s child was of his own genetic line. And even this had its flaws.’
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3710932/

    http://bit.ly/2yZDOAe

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wrrc4

  6. ‘As I’ve mentioned in prior essays, cuckoldry deserves a much broader definition today; one that goes beyond the obvious duplicity of birth fraud. Women have found that by tweaking the social conventions that would limit their own sexual strategy they can circumvent the monogamous side of sexual pluralism socially enforced by men. Thus, we get new feminine-primary social conventions that celebrate, socially reward and positively reinforce men’s acceptance of the parental investment responsibilities of other men who fathered children with a woman they’ve pair-bonded with. Step-dads get the big thumbs up and we rejigger the positive reinforcement to downplay father’s day and replace it with special person’s day.”

    http://bit.ly/2yGOdzf

    http://bit.ly/2z1UoPC

    http://bit.ly/2xe9Jbx

    “What experiences make you feel optimistic, complete, and blessed?

    If you are like most people, it’s the feeling of being deeply connected, known, and valued. Feeling desired by those whom you desire.

    Belonging.

    This is probably the strongest of human drives.

    Our ancestors, living in a harsh environment, connected with others to increase their likelihood of survival. This in turn meant they passed on the genetic tendency to seek connection. Those who weren’t driven to connect and didn’t survive didn’t pass on their genetic tendency.

    Mother Nature wired us to connect.

    My happiest memories involve shared intimacy with the people I love:
    taking family camping trips as a child
    playing catch with my father
    cooking with my mother
    having my first crush and getting my first kiss
    laughing and teasing with friends and family while playing games
    wrestling with my boys
    taking road trips to watch baseball games with my buddies
    talking philosophy, politics, and religion with friends
    lying naked next to the one I love and revealing our intimacies, fears, and dreams
    Conversely, my deepest wounds, greatest frustrations, and most painful betrayals have come from the people I love:
    I didn’t talk to my parents for 15 years.
    Neither of my ex-wives seemed to care enough to get all the way in.
    I’ve been cheated on, lied to, and betrayed.
    I have felt like I was the only one on the outside looking in as I watched groups of people embrace and connect.
    I have felt so lonely that I longed for someone, anyone, to just stop and acknowledge my presence.
    I have struggled to figure out how to get the women I desire to desire me.
    I’ve bumbled my way through every relationship I’ve ever had.
    And yet, I love people. I seek connection. I enjoy giving and receiving. I love to love and be loved. I crave being socially connected.

    As I often say, miracles happen around people.

    So it’s no surprise that the two most common issues I deal with as a therapist, coach, and teacher are how to create relationships and how to make them work.

    My bread and butter is helping men learn to date successfully and create satisfying relationships.

    Since we are wired to connect, you’d think these two skills would come easily and naturally.

    Unfortunately, we no longer live in the tribal situation that provided organic connection with kin and readily available sex partners. Our loss of clan requires us to create connections in ways that don’t come naturally.

    We’re wired to connect but not to date or live in life-long monogamous relationships.

    Added to this modern reality, most of us didn’t learn how to connect socially or create healthy relationships from our parents. They were bumbling their way through like everyone else.

    Do I have the answers?

    No.

    But I have learned some very important lessons from a lifetime of struggling to find love and three decades helping others do the same.

    I have discovered that most of us get in our own way and make things much more difficult than they need to be.

    One of the greatest truths I’ve learned is that when it comes to creating satisfying and fulfilling relationships, we have to risk boldly.

    Reward is won through risk.

    You want to get the guy or girl of your dreams? Take some risks.

    You want a deeply intimate, satisfying relationship? Take some risks.

    That is why I call my online relationship course “All the Way In.” You don’t connect deeply or succeed at anything without going all in. Or as my jazz buddies put it, “balls deep.”

    I teach men and women how to get what they want in love by going “balls deep.”

    I don’t care if you are presently single and seeking a relationship or in a relationship and wondering why it isn’t what you thought it would be. You won’t get what you want without risk.

    To find and keep love, you have to truly show up – nothing hidden and nothing half-assed.

    You’re not going to find or keep love without commitment, without risk, without disappointment.

    Robert

    P.S. The more deeply you love, the more deeply you’re going to get hurt. That’s just part of being human. You haven’t lived until you’ve had your heart broken. It’s just one more story to tell.’

    Glover

  7. rugby11
    You are describing a very disnyque kind of love up there. Men yearn for it, but it is a figment of imagination, a dream, a false hope, out of reach. It is a nobel aspiration, but is a very dangerous one. Any man who puts himself in harms way to try and attain that is not wise.

  8. @Blax

    “Pussy, is never a reward of any kind.”

    I don’t agree with everything you say, but this is a good chant for before the night begins.

  9. @ Yollo

    Lol.

    Whether you agree or not, pussy is never any kind of reward. Every man on earth would be well served by this realization. As a man, the male of our species, pussy is a right ( within reason. No Weinstien ) and there’s more than enough to go around. As kfg noted in the past, they make new ones every day.

    It’s us males that imagine all of this add-on shit around females. They just happily go along for the ride. A lot of them can’t see the big deal about what’s between their legs, but our insistent pussy pedestalization forces them to develop strategies, or adopt tried and true ones already existing.

    There’s more pussy out there that one can screw, even if he lived to well over 100 years old and maintained full virility. But because so many of us have chosen to deem women/pussy ” special “, and certain attributes that they were born with as ” more desirable “, the rest of us are either fully fucked or will have a much harder time than necessary when dealing with females.

    What I’d like for every man to have an opportunity at doing, is to watch babies, female babies, grow up from birth to adulthood. It will be very instructive, I promise.

    There’s a time period when young boys have no or very little interest in girls. What you will see is that during that time, young girls will chase the young boys ( not in an adult fashion… c’mon, they’re kids ). They want to hug and kiss and get the boys to be their boyfriends.

    Then puberty hits. The script gets flipped upside down. Little girls turn into young teens and all that goes along with that. Hormones flying everywhere. But there’s a moment for them where life becomes extremely confusing because suddenly guys are giving them attention that they wouldn’t just a scant few years prior.

    And then if you’re not careful and mindful, society steps up with clear instructions as to what the young females are supposed to do. Most of it will carry for decades. None of it is especially good news for young teen boys.

    I don’t think young teen girls ever get comfortable with the pedestal, but they will go along because it works to their advantage, and there’s no real alternatives out in the world.

    But to my original point: Babies grow up and develop according to the dna/chromosomes passed on to them by their parents and other ancestors. They play no direct role in this. The hottest blonde leggy smokeshow you have ever seen was just born that way. It’s you/us that place the premium and import on her. If you tell someone that they are special or hawt or amazing long enough, of course they will come to believe it, but it’s bullshit at it’s core.

    Young boys chasing young confused girls. Some things never change.

    Aside from societal programming, that young girl that wanted to hug and kiss the young boy that showed little interest is still in there. Some women have that girl buried deeper than others. Most men never realize that that little girl is still inside. Those boobs distract.

    So we all waste time and fuck around playing society’s/cultures made up roles and rules until everybody gets old and jaded and set in their ways. Hell, some chicks are old and jaded by the time they are 30. Personally, I know a few 19-20 year olds that are pretty fucked in the head by society’s dictates.

    But, they have 6 figure followers on instagram.

    Biology is a motherfucker. Pedestals are a motherfuck-you. If I detached 10,000 pussies and showed them to you without your being able to see who they were attached to originally, you’d get my point in a heartbeat.

    If a woman chooses to see her vagina as a way to ” reward ” a man, that’s actually some twisted shit right there. But it’s worse if a man sees it that way as well.

    Give her a hug and keep it moving…. lmao.

  10. @Blax: I love this part you wrote…
    “There’s a time period when young boys have no or very little interest in girls. What you will see is that during that time, young girls will chase the young boys ( not in an adult fashion… c’mon, they’re kids ). They want to hug and kiss and get the boys to be their boyfriends.”

    I remember that. I used to run away from them all the time.

  11. @ IAS

    Everyone ran away from little girls, until we didn’t any longer.

    Our hitting puberty changes the rules mid-game. And the girls want to comply, but they get thrown a bit by the sudden changes in the game and themselves.

  12. 10 year old girl: I want a boyfriend so that we can get married and get a house and have 2 kids, a boy and a girl.

    10 year old boy: Yuck.

    13 year old girl: I want a boyfriend that I can kiss and love and makeout with, and he will love me lots and we’ll get engaged and get married and he’ll buy me a house and he’ll get a good job. and we’ll have kids after I finish college and we’ll be so happy!!!!

    13 year old boy: I wanna stick my dick in Jane. And finger her.

    Compromise anyone? Lol.

  13. “Aside from societal programming, that young girl that wanted to hug and kiss the young boy that showed little interest is still in there. Some women have that girl buried deeper than others”

    Which is why treating them like silly little 5 yr old children is so money. They want to find a man to bring that side out of them. Bring out that silly little girl side out of a normally stuck up bitchy chick is one of my great pleasures in life.

  14. Pussy, is never a reward of any kind.

    Lol, I have four posts on the topic, “pussy is just pussy.”

    So, a man operating out of the MI [Masculine Imperative] doesn’t take any particular woman too seriously for sex.   If one won’t do at the moment, wait ten minutes, another will be along just like a bus.  If one is pissy or unavailable, but another is handy, then love the one you’re with, like Stephen Stills said.

    https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/pussy-is-just-pussy-4/

    No need to reinvent the wheel.

  15. @Mr.Roboto

    Yup, the single mother pussy is the killer. It blinds ALLOT of men and they rationalize it by thinking they are getting some but are really self cucking themselves. It’s also indirectly rewarding the woman’s behavior for divorcing her ex-husband/breaking up with the father for not washing the dish’s(Extreme example) or some other trivial reason.

  16. @Blaximus

    “If a woman chooses to see her vagina as a way to ” reward ” a man, that’s actually some twisted shit right there. But it’s worse if a man sees it that way as well.”

    THIS

  17. Blaximus
    That women find 80% of men unattractive is complete FI driven bullshit.

    Eh, that just shows how long you’ve been part of the 20%.

    Men seeking answers should by all means stay away from OK Cupid and tinder.

    The 80/20 rule is sort of fractal (recursive from level to level). It works out that 80% of women find 20% of men attractive in any group – from national OKCupid level to the college campus to the classroom or a church or a bar. Think about how often women speak of “settling”, in everything from an SNL in a bar to LTR to marriage, too.

    The problem I’m having mostly is with the whole paternity thing. I get AF/bb , but when I watch men interact with wives or girlfriends, it’s like you can see where the potential problems may he like a giant flashing neon light.

    That’s because so many social structures are beta factories – the K-12 schools, churches, uni’s, Human Resources at any job – all intended to squish men into the Beta mold, making the others more visible.

    Rollo’s very much onto something here. It’s like some man back in the early 80’s looking at the then-new family courts being set up, the Duluth protocol, and saying “Hmm, this is gonna make frivorce a profitable industry”.

  18. ” know they are rewarded with pussy….”

    Pussy, is never a reward of any kind.

    Reward sex is out there, but If it is a “reward” then it is likely negotiated sex. We know that is loaded with problems and the ship is sinking. Quickly leads to a dead bedroom.

  19. OT comment here…update

    So as I mentioned some months back, my wife left me and filed for divorce in April. The divorce is now final. I would say the biggest takeaway for me as part of this process was the truth of this Roissy maxim

    Maxim #12: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you.

    The woman I dealt, interacted, and communicated with the last 6 months appears to be a completely different woman than the one I knew the previous 11 years.

    That said, overall I was able to get a fairly reasonable settlement agreement for a couple of reasons I think. One, my now ex-wife was in a hurry to get the agreement finalized; I could have cared less if the thing dragged on for many more months so I was able to use this as a point of leverage. Also, I decided to represent myself legally so I was incurring ZERO legal costs while her attorney was $200 an hour. An invoice mistakenly sent to me had a charge of $50 for 15 minutes reading an e-mail I had sent him. Neither of us are in the greatest financial shape presently so I reminded her should this go to court, she would be racking up significant legal fees that would be well in excess of any items we were negotiating.

    Couple of other facts, we did NOT own a home (rented an apartment) and we have no children so there were no child custody issues. Also, I am currently unemployed from my white collar business profession and driving Uber part-time while I search for employment. Although I am relatively certain this played a role in her decision to leave and divorce me, I think it helped me in the negotiating process as I think it made my retirement assets/saviings off limits from a realistic viewpoint. Also, being unemployed gave me the time to do a self-study crash course in the applicable law.

    Because of that time and research, I was able to learn the engagement ring is considered marital property in my state, and I was able to negotiate a sale of the ring and receiving 50% of the proceeds. I kept all the furniture we had jointly purchased, and we each kept all our own respective financial assets/liabilities. She also paid the entire rent for the final 3 months of our lease during which time she had already moved out.

    The one thing I got “screwed on” from my vantage point was during the final 2 years of our marriage which I was not working full-time, but helping her start her business, I paid about 70-75% of our joint expenses from my savings, a legal settlement (related to my loss of employment), and other financial assets. I had wanted a “clawback” on some of those funds as part of the settlement, but I had no legal basis for it, and her attorney told me he would tell her absolutely not to settle with any of that included.

    So all in all, it really wasn’t a horror story, but that is probably because of having no home, no kids, and me not having a large income presently.

    This was my second marriage so I’ve probably given up on marriage. In my view, women want to GET married, they don’t want to STAY married. I think for women getting a man to “commit” and “put a ring on it” is a similar dynamic to men and SEXUAL CONQUEST. It is an achievement of sorts, but most women are not suited to the inevitable realities of day to day marriage. I’m currently 43 (and look in my early 30s) and am at a crossroads of sorts. I do not have any kids, but if I want them the window of opportunity is fast closing. My now ex-wife is also 43 and peri-menopausal so I had written kids off entirely. If I decided I wanted kids, I could probably target women in the 30-35 age range, maybe even late 20s if I get my professional career back on track. That would probably be the only scenario under which I would marry. To marry a same-age peer makes zero sense ESPECIALLY if it bring’s another man’s spawn into the equation. Don’t need or want that baggage.

    The biggest shocker of the entire process was her retroactively creating this narrative of “emotional and verbal” abuse. One risk factor of being a more “masculine” type man (I lift religiously, I don’t spew my emotions non-stop, I am very direct in my speech and words) as opposed to the sensitive new-age man, is if things do go south there is more of this open door that you were “abusive” in that your direct words were “insults” or that you are guilty of not “validating her emotions”. It’s all horseshit, but there is a desire to make the relationship failure 100% your fault.

    So again, in my view, marriage is an outdated institution to the realities of today’s sexual marketplace and legal backdrop. In investment parlance, it is all RISK, with ZERO REWARD. The truth of the matter is living together has far less legal risk and will be easier to extricate yourself from if and when the relationship fails.

  20. Novaseeker, hope you see this message, this question is mostly for you, as we are similar age, socioeconomic background, and educational level, and both have divorced. I’m 43 with a masters degree and hopefully soon I will reestablish my professional career. I’m 6’3″ and on initial view anyone would know I am a hardcore weight trainer. I’m looking for any specific tactical advice you can give on the dating market.

    Note to others, I am fully red pill having read and followed Rollo since his SoSuave days, so I don’t need any generalized red-pill macro strategic advice, that’s already in place. I haven’t been on the dating market since 2005 so I really am entering a new world with the predominance of online dating and dating apps. Plus, when I was 31, I could easily still pull off going to bars attracting an early to mid 20s crowd. At 43, I’m not sure that is as viable, and I might need to find the places more “mature” women hang out. I workout religiously and look very young for my age, but I am not f*cking delusional that I am going to go to bars with 22-25 year olds and be pulling them left and right like I did 10-12 years ago.

    What are your thoughts on the best “where” to meet candidates?

    It’s funny, I met both wives in the gym, many women I’ve dated I met in the gym, but these days I don’t see that being as fruitful. The gym environment has changed. Most people, myself included put on our headphones and drown the rest of our environment out. People in general are just not as sociable as they were 10-20 years ago in the gym. It is more of a get in get your workout done get out, and my current gym has no lounge area.

    Online. I started by signing up for Tinder, and long story short, the app doesn’t work on my phone, and I can’t get it to work so that’s that. A friend recommended Plenty of Fish so I signed up for that, and frankly so far I am very disappointed. I’ve been on the site for close to 3 months, and so far I’ve received requests from about 40 women who want to meet me. I have no idea how to benchmark that vs the response most guys get, but the important fact to me, is that those 40 are basically 40 pigs. I couldn’t see clear large pics in all cases because I haven’t paid, but where I was able to see a mini-profile these are all women easily 3-5 SMV points below me. Some of them would have to pay me to meet them.

    I’ve messaged 3 women I would consider “cute” who actually were “age appropriate”…lol and got zero responses which frankly boggled my mind, maybe they are all waiting for Channing Tatum and Ryan Gosling to message them. I get the sense that maybe many of these women online aren’t really looking to actually meet someone in real-life from these sites, but use these dating apps strictly for attention whoring and validation. I think for me that some of my strengths (such as height and build) have a strong positive impact in person, but online they are just numbers on a screen that do NOT have that same impact.

    So I guess my questions are, are there some online dating sites/apps that are better suited for the early 40s guy, and in real-life is it a case of kind of finding out the nightclub and bar spots that attract a somewhat older crowd. The other factor I am trying to navigate is that pretty much all my friends are married with kids so I don’t have a bunch of wingmen to go out with which means going solo. I’ve done that before, with some success, and can do it again, but going out solo is more challenging in some respects then having a guy or two or a crew you can go out with.

  21. “Amid the unfolding scandal about disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, an Oscar-nominated writer has also been accused of sexual misconduct.
    According to the latest revelations reported by the Los Angeles Times, Toback behaved in a sexually inappropriate manner toward 38 women”

    Isn’t this part of the change of … wind blowing direction in the male-female power balance, too?

    You may prognosticate diversity and gender-equality quotas for jobs like Hollywood director coming soon into being, lol.

  22. @Morpheus – come, join us for a beer in the Field Reports section and tell us about your (upcoming) exploits.

    I’m a bit younger than you (37) and average looking and 5’10”, not ripped and 6’3″ but I’ve done a lot of online dating in the last few years and have a pretty good grasp on how it works.

    I could go into a lot of detail and specific advice, but before that, some key macro points jumped out at me from your post:

    1. Online is at best a supplement to meeting women in real life. It should never be your primary method of meeting women – it is essentially designed to allow women to “shop” easily for men and you will never be able to show off all your most attractive qualities, and it artificially inflates women’s value and SMV as compared to men. It can certainly work, but on average the women will be much less attractive than the ones in real life (especially on POF – lol) and you have to accept you are playing on a field that is skewed against you.

    2. You need to be very clear on *what you want*, because it will define your entire approach – which bars, which online sites, what kind of profile, what kind of conversation..everything. You don’t seem to be clear on this – do you want a serious relationship and kids (whether or not you get married again)? Do you want date and plate a lot of women and have fun after two marriages?

    3. 43 is not old at all, even more so if you look younger and are good looking and ripped. You can easily get college girls, not just “late twenties to thirties” – if that’s what you *want*.

  23. Hey Morpheus, hope you’re well!

    What are your thoughts on the best “where” to meet candidates?

    Not online, unfortunately. The problem with online is that, as Culum says, the field is very skewed towards women — they basically man shop there, and it is much, much harder to stand out than it is in the real. Even if you have a great profile/pics and so on, all that means is you get put into the “ok” pile with dozens of other men, as if the woman was on a shopping expedition, and starts to line up the clothing options on her arm, while continuing to browse. It’s a terrible environment for men. You should participate in it, but it isn’t a high likelihood of success there — it can happen, which is why you should be there, but it’s low probability. In terms of places to try, I would recommend something like Match more than something like Tinder, but the differences are marginal in my experience with the online scene.

    At your age, and with your bag of tricks, if you are interested in peer-age women, I would look at the classier spots in town — keep you eyes open for higher end bars that are well attended (not necessarily mobbed, but well attended). These tend to have women in their 40s who are presentable (moreso than the ones who are hiding behind their keyboards and phones on dating sites), upscale and looking. Beware the beta hunters, of course, but that should go without saying with all women when you are in this age range. In this context, you show up as your refined self, well-dressed, well-groomed, confident, but not as a BB.

    As Culum says, however, you don’t have to limit yourself to peer-age women. You are in shape and in your early 40s (I am in my late 40s), you have access to women all the way down to mid-20s if you want it. The best way to access that scene is to dress a bit younger (hair, too), and dive into that scene — if you present as a very good looking, tall and hip 43 yo guy, you’ll be accepted in that scene provided that you act comfortably — in other words, act like you belong there, and not awkwardly. Men are often surprised at how into them younger women are, because in the workplace it’s all taboo, but when you get into that actual scene, if you “fit” sartorially and act like you fit, they are into you.

    I am sure you will do fine given what you are bringing to the table, but most of this game is mental. You need to have your mind right so that you fit in congruently in the environments you’re working — whether that’s the higher end places or the younger ones.

  24. To all the older betas, I totally understand your demographic in women is most likely single mothers.
    You can still bang em but that should be about it, Once you start thinking about being more then fuck buddy’s and paying for shit drop em.
    Don’t think you can’t get the early to mid 20’s crowd even if you are 40+ it’s not delusional and is quite viable the Red Pill veterans should know your SMV is at an all time high if your in your forties especially if your working out, have confidence and maximized your looks.

  25. Roused

    Yes by all means come over to Field Reports…

    Dude – you are a masculine guy, fit and 6′ 3″… and have a lifetime of experiences. You are literally the prize. They ALL want you… from college strippers to 60YO grandmas… ALL of them. And half of them are married…

    I say this as a 50YO who does cold approach SNL game. Fuck online… You are 6’3″… The impact you have just cold approaching is enormous and cannot ever be duplicated online. Now marry that presence with a dominant masculine vibe and a smattering of Cat-O-Nese… you will kill. You just need to get back out there hoss. They are dying, literally (eggs are drying) to meet you and brag to all their friends about this attractive asshole that makes them jump…

    The younger guys are at best half-men… don’t worry about them, their glib chat, their knowing the social set… most of these guys are afraid to touch girls or piss them off. They are more gay BFF’s…

    You’re an Uber driver???? So go around the bar section of town late and turn your app on… Game those girls and women in your car! Do you realize what an incredible fantasy ride that would be for the girl “OMG got fucked by my Uber driver!”…. Seriously consider an Uber tattoo on your cock….

    “if you are interested in peer-age women, I would look at the classier spots in town — keep you eyes open for higher end bars that are well attended”

    This is my kind of place more often than not, because of where I end up staying for biz travel. Tell us about your city? There are probably concentrations of cool restaurants that also have good bar scenes… this is where these ladies go… Rose, prosecco and white wine… and they go early. I would hit these places first at happy hour… Happy hour is great because everyone is GOING somewhere afterwards… typically home. It is easy to bounce. If happy hour is a bust, go back to these places after BFF time, after they have had a tuna carpaccio and a couple glasses of wine and bitched and moaned to their girls… (they will rarely be out in a place like this alone, unless they are travelling) 8:30 should be about right if they eat at 7ish in your area.

    Your biggest issue in this dynamic is going to be handling the cockblocker, avoiding being too invested in your target and getting too physical in front of her friends. So game the group… breeze in as the charming stranger, throw some negs, gets the emotions going, get the kino going all around, seed some jealousy plots… remember to roll off a bit and make them chase you and set some compliance hoops… THEN you look to isolate your target… so three sets are perfect, don’t be shy about approaching a three set.

    IF THIS IS ALL IN YOUR CITY – best to become a regular there and get to know the staff and manager and the bartenders… social status works for you. Tip very well!!! Fastest way to gain attention.

    Also hotel bars a great… Many places now there are hot restaurants and hot lobby bars… again stay to the nicer places. And ANY single woman (i.e. a one set) at the hotel bar is ripe for your plucking… step to it. Throw out a logistics opener “you waiting for someone?” – they are often waiting if they are just having a drink.

    I’d cruise the lobby bars early like 8 and see if there is a single having dinner at the bar… then swing back around 9:45-10 – the post dinner “gonna have a nightcap and put my eggs on display” time…

    If all that doesn’t work, step to the nightlife area later. If you feel weird or just hate going into the louder, younger bars and clubs… Just hang back and do street game… streets are flush after 12…

    You are in prime time… go crush it man.

    and we expect to follow your exploits over at Field Reports…

    Oh yeah on going solo – I am 98% of the time solo. It is way way better than having an AFC guy wing, or an incompetent wing. sure if you have a killer wing, great. But they are very rare.

  26. Roused…

    One more thing… Hit the beaches, parks (the ones with people not just nature), street fairs, farmers markets etc. on the weekends, daygame is great… Fuck just go around in your work out clothes and open the hell out of them. Try and instadate.

  27. Morpheus

    Couple of other things…

    1) Expect to be places you may not prefer… champagne bars, wine bars etc. remember you are out hunting. You need to hunt where the game is. Not where you want to go. [for now]

    Example – RM Champagne Lounge

    The Riddler

    2) Don’t rule out the old school Meat Market’s in your city. Every city has them, been around for a couple of decades and the place recently divorced or still single still go to mingle. Also places advertised as “cougar haunts” for those “age appropriate women”… {you will soon lower your bracket!]

    3) don’t forget brunch! It’s another two nights in the daytime…

  28. Stuff not mentioned:

    1. Where to get a paternity test and how much it costs.
    2. Where to get a blood test kit and how much does it costs.

    I’m sure men can google/amazon this, but hearing it from a trusted source can’t hurt for when needed.

  29. “The younger guys are at best half-men… don’t worry about them, their glib chat, their knowing the social set… most of these guys are afraid to touch girls or piss them off. They are more gay BFF’s…”

    The older guys are at best limp-dick white Knights that fucked over my generation by appeasing and letting all the man hating legislation pass. Learned Kino from Mystery and Dread game from Roissy. By gay you mean these little faggot feminist bitches that I fuck and make their ass gape.

  30. IF THIS IS ALL IN YOUR CITY – best to become a regular there and get to know the staff and manager and the bartenders… social status works for you. Tip very well!!! Fastest way to gain attention.

    Tipping well trips beta bucks switches. I buy drinks only occasionally and tip $1-1.50 when I do, always paying cash. When I do buy drinks, I do it from a hottie bartender who doesn’t cheat me on the booze. I drink whiskey neat and I get a full finger of booze. No comps, but she treats me well when I buy and I chat her up occasionally. (I’ve been going later, so I don’t chat her up when it’s later because she’s too busy.)

    Lots of times I only buy water, but I tip a dollar the first time I get water and the bartenders appreciate that.

  31. Leave the rest of it to me, this shit is just beginning let DADDY clean up the mess you made. I’m gonna wake up allot of little shitlords.

  32. Asd

    “Tipping well trips beta bucks switches. ”

    Not at all… you are not gaming the staff…

    levijynx

    “By gay you mean these little faggot feminist bitches that I fuck and make their ass gape.”

    Lambda?

    Newlyaloof

    “stuff not mentioned”

    Where to buy an egg? Where to find a surrogate?

  33. “The older guys are at best limp-dick white Knights that fucked over my generation by appeasing and letting all the man hating legislation pass. ”

    You mean these guys?

  34. @Sentient, I know Rollo doesn’t do the direct advice thing, so I believe dudes that have already purchases these kits could drop some knowledge in the comments to everyone’s benefit.

  35. Newly

    “so I believe dudes that have already purchases these kits could drop some knowledge”

    No doubt. I’ve been mulling over the advertising for Sperm Bank and the absence of such for Egg Bank… sure a woman can get an egg, or a gay couple. But could a single dude?

  36. I’ve seen several billboards for egg clinics, not so much seeking buyers but offering to pay $$ to donors. Makes sense, some career gals may no longer have eggs over easy and so must obtain fresher goods from a place of purveyance.

    Fertility kits I see in CVS stores, other chains must have them. OK, probably not Hobby Lobby.

  37. Craigslist has long been filled with ads for businesses or individual couples looking for egg donors — $8,000 has long been the going rate it seems. The couples of course want someone who looks genetically similar

  38. Prime example of “Open Cuck” as this article details….I have a friend in the food industry. He is a very good looking guy, muscular, somewhat successful, etc….He manages a lot of young, very attractive women, but gets “oneitis” for a waitress who works for him. They date off and on for several years (she breaks up with him constantly for his blue pill-ness). Then one day, out of the blue (no pun intended), she breaks up with him yet again to get with an “Alpha CAD Bad Boy” she met randomly while serving. This guy literally pumped/dumped her, (while dating several of her friend she worked with), but she chased him for about 1 year..However, during this torrid love affair, she gets “accidentally” pregnant. Our Alpha CAD promptly get the news, and vacates the scene, never to be heard from again. Being the “victim” as most women want to do, she cries out via social media about her fear of raising the baby alone, and “how can men be so evil?” to much of the applause from the female masses. Enter stage right, our “friend” turned “white knight” to take her back and “help do the right thing” to raise the baby that is not even his DNA (I’ve witnessed him in action, you would think he’s the dad he’s so attentive/caring to the baby’s needs). My point of this story is that I’ve told this to many of my female colleagues/friends, and they all applaud our ready made “substitute daddy” for being a “real man” and “stepping up for a woman he loves.”…”The Cuck Is Real” and out in the open, its not even frowned upon. I see them quite often, and she has this empty Alpha Widow look in her eyes.

  39. “she has this empty Alpha Widow look in her eyes.”

    Hey, while the #Bull app is being coded, she can get on Feeld in the meantime…

  40. I often read on the comments here about the 80/20 thing. At first that was upsetting to me. Then as I thought about it I realized I am no different than these selective women. Only around 20% of the women I see each and everyday are attractive to me. The rest are either invisible or repulsive. With all the obesity and tattoos out there I would say I am repulsed by more women than attracted to them. Some of you guys might think you are attracted to more than 20% of women but I would argue you don’t even notice the majority of women because they are invisible to you.

    I know there are some men who f*ck everything that moves and I also see too many average looking men with fugly women so not every man has standards…which is unfortunate and reduces the power of beta males as a whole.

  41. I am attracted to perhaps 1% of the women I encounter on a day to day basis.

    I have one very fuckable staff member but I cannot touch that, far too much trouble but she’s pretty easy on the eyes. (Crossfit girl, tight body).

    If I go downtown during business hours the ratio goes up for sure as the central business district is bustling with well put together young women.

  42. Out of the 11 women on my street, I find 7 passably attractive, and would even give the eighth the benefit of the doubt. They range in age from 22 to 66. Two landwhales but at least no obvious piercings or “bodyart” among the group

  43. I had one job requiring lots of walking around Manhattan. There’s a high ratio of women who are attractive or at least try to be — but in the smartphone era you can now hear a sneak preview of the nonsense you’d have to listen to. A nice voice and speaking manner are so under-rated when HB numbers are computed

  44. @craiger247
    Women like to play victim but we also know the media and culture have placed single mothers on a heroine’s pedestal somewhere between Florence Nightingale and Joan of Arc. What gets me is that it has come to be considered rude and off-limits — bordering on verbal abuse — to inquire as to where these fine young offspring sprang from.

    Case in point would be a lengthy news story with a single NY state woman complaining how it’s tough to raise a couple of kids on her $30,000 salary — more government programs and subsidies are needed now!. But the story never once gave a clue as to the identity or whereabouts of the father.

  45. Enter stage right, our “friend” turned “white knight” to take her back and “help do the right thing” to raise the baby that is not even his DNA (I’ve witnessed him in action, you would think he’s the dad he’s so attentive/caring to the baby’s needs)……I see them quite often, and she has this empty Alpha Widow look in her eyes.

    Yes, the same exact abstract plot as the movie Blue Valentine with Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Valentine_(film)#Plot

    Rollo has use this movie as an example many times. (Including the essays: Love Story and Idealism)

    <blockquote….My point of this story is that I’ve told this to many of my female colleagues/friends, and they all applaud our ready made “substitute daddy” for being a “real man” and “stepping up for a woman he loves.”…”The Cuck Is Real” and out in the open, its not even frowned upon.

    But if you were pointing out fight club details to another red pill enlightened or interested man, you would point out the pathetic non-agency of the blue pill characters. It just doesn’t lead to success for the man down the road unless he is aware and has a non-Beta strategy to counter her strategy.

  46. Lol, I guess it does strongly depend on where one lives.

    On a slow day I encounter at a minimum, 2 screaming smoke shows. Thinking about it more, I’d say on average around 50% or the women I encounter are very attractive. I usually only find about 10% of them personally attractive for my particular tastes.

    I’m close enough to Manhattan to have an unobstructed view of the empire state building from my deck, so I think the proximity has plenty to do with how the chicks keep themselves up. That and the sick amount of competition.

    On the city block I reside on, there are about 45-50 females aged 2 to 90.. Lmao. Okay seriously, there are about 30 between 18 and 40. Out of that 30, 2 are behemoths, 5 are crazy hot broads, at least 8-9’s. The rest are a mixture of 5-7’s. No real ugly chicks ( unless you count elderly as ” ugly “, which I do not ) out of the crazy hot contingent, 1 is a stripper ( most neighbors don’t know this ) 1 is a senior in high school, 1 is an elementary school teacher, 1 is a married corrections officer, and my next door neighbor is married with 3 young children and a very quiet hubby.

    Out of all of the crazy hots, I’d say the neighbor with the 3 kids is the hottest. But imo, it’s a combination of attributes that make this so. She is extremely feminine. Has an amazing body, even after multiple kids. And I’ve never witnessed her being bitchy or having a bad attitude. And she has 2 younger sisters that are even hotter than she is. It’s crazy to witness.

    Now, the stripper edges out my neighbor for raw, blazing sex appeal ( but hell, she’s a stripper….), and she routinely causes minor traffic slowdowns when she is out walking her dogs, but imo she’s not very feminine and I don’t think she owns any outfit that’s not 1 size too small, or shoes without a minimum 5-6 inch heels. She’s hot as fuck, yet off putting at the same time. There doesn’t seem to be any other ” value ” there beyond facilitating raging boners and extreme thirst. But to be fair, I don’t really know her that well and haven’t really talked with her at length about anything beyond current events and Small trivial talk. She could be a fucking Rhodes scholar.

    I always pay attention to what other guys find attractive in women because it can be fascinating. Like, sentient has posted enough pics that I have a feel for what he’d find attractive in a woman. I only caution guys: don’t let anyone else decide for you what’s attractive. You can’t live by anyone else’s ideals. I remember 25 years ago, all guys wanted women with their rib cages showing because the media and fashion industry pushed the bulimic heroin addict look. That’s when I began questioning whether all guys actually liked that loo, or were they being programmed.

    Anyway, its interesting. And bitches are everywhere. Lol.

  47. Then as I thought about it I realized I am no different than these selective women. Only around 20% of the women I see each and everyday are attractive to me.

    Agreed, but it matters where I am that day.

    It really can be about location, location, location at the micro level. My entire neighborhood and practically the whole town is a disappointing zone, with a tiny percentage of women rating a second glance. Once upon a time I lived in Hawaii, where the blue pill men can’t walk down the street without getting a neck injury from trying to look at all the attractive women, like fighter pilots checking for enemy aircraft, but it still matters what street.

    In a town of slim pickings the small percentage of winners will have known places where they congregate. And in Hawaii there will be areas of Very Large Ladies wearing Mu Mu’s and eating SPAM. In both places a small change of location can modify a man’s entire outlook.

  48. Sex, war, women, homocide, infanticide, rape, law, crime, feminism….humanity.

    Most men like to fool themselves by thinking they want to be more “alpha”. Most “make an effort” in various ways like researching PUA “game”, an effective work out routine, testosterone therapy, coveting money and beautiful women, red pill ideology, etc…..

    But, does the acquisition and knowledge of these things make a man alpha?

    Or are they simply by-products of being alpha?

    Acting is not being.

    Water seeks its own level. Alpha characteristics cannot be captured, prescribed and applied to beta to create alpha. There is no such thing as “fake it til you make it”. You are either a maker or a faker. Don’t believe the liars who are selling you bullshit.

    YOU DECIDE.

    Alpha characteristics are manifestations of something sublime but fundamental. Most of the “manosphere” is a masquerade, an attempt of beta males to conceptualize and internalize what they think an alpha mindset is. For the most part this is laughable. One cannot put wings on a pig and expect it to fly.

    Most men have (want) “roots” and are destined by fate to always seek comfort in “finding” or relying on their roots. These are the ones who compulsively wish to discover or assign a central foundation of security outside themselves, something to rely on such as a sense of community, a feeling of predictability, provided by government, corporate structure, family, religion, etc….

    Eagles (a bird of prey) do not have roots. They have wings. Alphas are like eagles. We do not need the manosphere, or any other communal suffrage. We do not worry about how we appear, whether we are able to implement someone else’s idea of “game” or not, if our “burden of performance” is on par or not. We set our own standard of performance based on what we desire to achieve.

    What defines failure? Trying and not succeeding, or not even trying to begin with? Which guarantees failure?

    The fact is, most men aren’t alpha for simply one reason. They do not want to be. They would rather live their lives in an illusion, hiding from raw truths. This is so, even when the truth is spelled out and served on a silver platter. Most men are like infants when served the truth. Even when spoon fed, they throw it up.

  49. Not Born This Morning

    “Alpha characteristics are manifestations of something sublime but fundamental.”

    So what is Alpha?

  50. @Not Born This Morning

    You are missing some links in your logic. If that’s what you call your comment. I’d call it more of a moronic lecture to the peanut gallery. It sounds good, but it is faulty in logic.

    Most men like to fool themselves by thinking they want to be more “alpha”. Most “make an effort” in various ways like researching PUA “game”, an effective work out routine, testosterone therapy, coveting money and beautiful women, red pill ideology, etc…..

    But, does the acquisition and knowledge of these things make a man alpha?

    Or are they simply by-products of being alpha?

    While I’m not a fan of TRT (rather than naturally boosting Test by hacking your normal routines because it presents a negative feedback on endogenous Testosterone production and makes one dependent on continuing therapy indefinitely. I do not question/judge an individuals need or desire, or use of it), the acquisition of these things (Red Pill, Game and PUA is not for nothing. If you are clueless and haven’t derived a Natural way to be Alpha, what you are advocating for AFC’s is the “Just Be Yourself” paradox.

    If a man is clueless to begin with (AFC, whether Blue Pill or had become Betatized–two different things), that would lead to disaster. What I define as clueless is non-Mastery. In phases of Mastery, any one starts out incompetent at first and moves toward competent. The best way to do that is to have mentors. In 2017, a surrogate for a real life mentor is the Manosphere. The manosphere in the words of Ian Ironwood is on dirty comet streaking through the cosmos. And as such a guy has to be selective and match his needs to the advice proffered.

    There is no shame in learning Mastery. In fact it is required to obtain Mastery. (Over yourself and others and your pursuits and passions. And your agency and your power to direct the course of your life and determine the outcome of your life.)

    Acting is not being.

    Water seeks its own level. Alpha characteristics cannot be captured, prescribed and applied to beta to create alpha. There is no such thing as “fake it til you make it”. You are either a maker or a faker. Don’t believe the liars who are selling you bullshit.

    Acting is required in order to be masculine. As opposed to inner desire and intention without outward intention and action. As in: I do not want or hope, I intend –Transurfing Reality motto of Vadim Zeland.

    The trick is if your water level is at a low performance level, you can push it higher. Doing otherwise is Settling.

    Alpha characteristics are manifestations of something sublime but fundamental. Most of the “manosphere” is a masquerade, an attempt of beta males to conceptualize and internalize what they think an alpha mindset is. For the most part this is laughable. One cannot put wings on a pig and expect it to fly.

    Alpha characteristics may be sublime, but that doesn’t mean that any one man can conjure up that sublime nature by just Nature. He needs to develop it if he didn’t magically get it from age 14 to 25. You can’t just get it by just wanting and desiring it if you don’t have it. If you don’t have it, you need to acquire it in a fashion that is congruent with who you are.

    You don’t have to change who you are, but you have to be more competent and have more confidence in who you are. If you don’t have competence, confidence and excess free energy (a sub-component of charisma), the you might want to get yourself to that plane. (Push your water level higher.)

    Most men have (want) “roots” and are destined by fate to always seek comfort in “finding” or relying on their roots. These are the ones who compulsively wish to discover or assign a central foundation of security outside themselves, something to rely on such as a sense of community, a feeling of predictability, provided by government, corporate structure, family, religion, etc….

    Most men want what their heart and soul desires. (Your roots.) Watch any seven year old boy bounce around in an environment and you’ll see what his heart wants. It wants this and that like a pinball.

    The trick is not to have the cognitive mind supress what the heart wants. (Keep in mind, after the socialization process, the heart might not actually know what it wants, and perhaps a bunch of stupid little thoughts–or glaringly large thoughts like “oneitis, one true soulmate, blue pill idealisms, white knight thoughts or fear and buffers”–may be provided by Cognitive thoughts in order to totally cockblock, confuse the soul and create massive amounts of cognitive dissonance in any one man.

    Eagles (a bird of prey) do not have roots. They have wings. Alphas are like eagles. We do not need the manosphere, or any other communal suffrage. We do not worry about how we appear, whether we are able to implement someone else’s idea of “game” or not, if our “burden of performance” is on par or not. We set our own standard of performance based on what we desire to achieve.

    Eagles and wolves act instinctively to down prey to live. Humans are hugely cognitive in their bearing. So much is different in humans than eagles. So you can’t compare those animal species to humans in a socially organized society. Religion and Laws needed to control human instincts at some point when large groups of humans aggregated in large social spaces. Otherwise the law of the jungle would certainly prevail. It was a necessary social invention to organize large groups. Now that societies are re-defining the narrative of behavior in large groups, a man’s imperative must adapt.

    What defines failure? Trying and not succeeding, or not even trying to begin with? Which guarantees failure?

    Yes.

    See this:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20130402231750/http://www.solvemygirlproblems.com/2012/02/risk/

    The fact is, most men aren’t alpha for simply one reason. They do not want to be. They would rather live their lives in an illusion, hiding from raw truths. This is so, even when the truth is spelled out and served on a silver platter. Most men are like infants when served the truth. Even when spoon fed, they throw it up.

    Agree, but that doesn’t naturally flow logically from the earlier premises that you posited. This argues for if you aren’t Alpha, you move in the direction of Alpha. What defines Alpha is others seeing you as Alpha. If you are not there, you might want to move more there.

    Two morons were sitting on a cliff. One fell off. Which one was that?

    The Big Moron, because the other was a Little More On.

  51. Location is everything in terms of how many pretty women you see.

    Here in DC, there are tons of them, everywhere. If you walk around downtown at lunch or in Adams Morgan in the evening, the ratio of attractive women isn’t 20%, it’s 80%+. Having said that, if you walk a suburban mall on a Saturday afternoon, it drops to maybe 40-50%, but still much higher than 20%.

    If you live somewhere where only 20% of the women are attractive to you, you need to move. Cities have many more attractive women, because attractive women flock to the cities.

  52. “Now that societies are re-defining the narrative of behavior in large groups, a man’s imperative must adapt.”

    –SJF

    “When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves . . . Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”

    –Dr. Viktor Frankl, resident of Auschwitz and Dachau

  53. Thanks to those who said “location location location”. Maybe that has to do with why only 20% of women look attractive to me. For the past 5 years I have lived in the Pacific Northwest. I don’t know if this region has a reputation for unattractive women but for my tastes most of them are.

    I like women who glam it up but most of the women I see (other than Latinas) put no effort whatsoever in their appearance. I would describe them as over the top plain. Most of these women wear no makeup and dress frumpy. Even if they did wear makeup I think most would still not look pretty as many have what I would describe as butter faces. There seems to be some bad genetic stock when it comes to female looks around here. But what is unattractive to me goes beyond looks…it’s like the women here are completely devoid of feminine charm…they are raw and many downright rough. It might (or might not) surprise you guys but the 20% of women who are pretty have the better developed, much more pleasant personalities.

    The interesting thing is the men look the same to me that you would see anywhere. I suppose they might grow thicker hipster beards…but I think that has been happening everywhere. So they grow their beards, go to the gym…do whatever they think they need to do to attract women and then pair up with these extreme plain janes. Yeah I guess I need to move.

  54. Texas is the same way. Any city has ridiculous places where hotties congregate, & then there are areas of fat Mexican midget girls that look like Halflings from the Lord of the Rings franchise.

  55. @ Jay Fink
    I’ll take a tank top and cutoffs over glamming it up, but I’ll bet that’s not the look in the Pacific Northwest either. From what you say I can envision lank hair, dull complexions, layers of nubby, baggy brown sweaters and the worst possible decision -making at LensCrafters. Plus the piercings … you have my condolences.

    I think the wider point of the 80/20 thing is that women punch relentlessly above their actual value in the marketplace and are actually mortified at the thought of being seen with a male of lesser perceived value (Until it becomes time to find the beta daddy/provisioner). Men in contrast are more flexible and pragmatic in their choices, and are not on such a status trip if they find a somewhat average looking gal they are attracted to or simpatico with.

  56. rugby11
    October 23, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    LOL at the JBP video about how to develop friends when you are intelligent and score low in agreeableness.

    I’m repeating myself here, but I took the Big Five test a month or two ago and scored in the lowest one percentile on Agreeableness.

    I don’t find it a problem at all to resonate with good friends. It takes knowing yourself and having a deep understanding of others needs in order to get along well with them. Just like PUA game, it also takes filtering through people to vet them for interest in you. Don’t waste time trying to convert someones who’s interests aren’t aligned with yours, nor who you don’t care for.

    Low Agreeableness doesn’t

    A couple years ago (like three) I took stock of those that I hold dear in the family, neighborhood, club and friends.

    And what I found is none of the people I associate with were Unhappy and Unlucky. Because I’m so Judgmental that I cannot abide by having them around. So I had become indifferent to them over the years. I ignored them and withdrew my time and attention for their poor behavior.

    But my current relationships and friendships run deep and are powerful. I have a low drive for affirmation or new friendships, but I cultivate the ones I do have. But paradoxically, also don’t have demands on them to stick with a friendship. If they have to move on, I respect their needs and let them go.

    By default I was abiding by Law #10 of the 48 Laws of Power:

    Law 10
    Infection: Avoid the Unhappy and Unlucky

    You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease. You may feel you are helping the drowning man but you are only precipitating your own disaster. The unfortunate sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it on you. Associate with the happy and fortunate instead.

    I don’t find low Agreeableness is a problem in getting friends at all. It does take masterful art to interact with others in social interactions, though.

    I also repeat myself in the concept of Frailing in Transurfing Reality:

    Frailing

    Frailing is an effective technique that can be applied to interpersonal relationships and it represents an integral part of Transurfing. The most important principle of Frailing can be expressed in the following manner: Abandon the intention to get and replace it with the intention to give and you will receive the very thing you let go of.

    The action of this principle is based on the fact that your inner intention uses the inner intention of your partner without compromising their interests. As a result you receive from that person the very thing you were unsuccessful in achieving by the ordinary methods of inner intention. If you follow this principle you will achieve impressive results in personal and professional forms of communication.

    That also speaks to Altruism for select few of your friends. Altruism for close friends is a learned behavior.

    It helps to keep your tribe of friends small and cohesive. If you are Disagreeable and try a scattershot approach to friendships (because you need validation from those friendships) things will not go well.

    It also helps to choose like minded individuals. That’s part of the vetting process.

    It’s easy for a person low in Agreeableness to be very Agreeable to a close trusted tribal member. Ingroup Altruism and Outgroup Malice is an evolved masculine trait.

  57. The worst example I’ve ever seen of a guy who cucked himself was a young electrician I worked construction with about 20 years back.

    He had started dating a girl who was 7 months pregnant when they met!!! I couldn’t understand why a young man of about 21 would do that?

    The job finished and I didn’t see him again for about 4-5 years, I asked him was he still with the girl? ” yes we got married and OUR son is now 4″ came the reply.

    He proceeded to show me some pictures and things became a bit clearer, his blonde wife was about 3 SMV points above him, a very cute 8-8.5 by the pics I saw.
    He basically leveraged being a beta cuck to obtain ( i’m sure albeit temporarily) a woman who he ordinarily would not have been able to attract.

    The coming weekend I asked him if he was interested in joining me and a few of the others on a night out in the city? His reply was that he was saving for a family holiday and that he got more pleasure out of spending money on his kid anyways!

    To be fair he did seem genuinely happy with his lot, working every hour of overtime to provide for “his” little family, but I couldn’t comprehend his life choices at the time as I was still partying hard at that point.

    Never saw him or heard what happened to him after that second job as I moved into a different industry, I hope he got his beta Disney dream and a couple more kids of his own out of the deal and that they are still happily married today! But I think everyone on here knows how unlikely that scenario is.

  58. @Play don’t pay

    “The worst example I’ve ever seen of a guy who cucked himself was a young electrician I worked construction with about 20 years back.”

    I’ve done worse.

    life is tough,it’s even tougher when you are a tool for the FI.

  59. @Not Born This Morning

    “Most “make an effort” in various ways like researching PUA “game”, an effective work out routine, testosterone therapy, coveting money and beautiful women, red pill ideology, etc…..”

    I like how you say researching yet here you are LOL trololol

  60. @Sentient Yes those are the ass clowns that started it, don’t forget the ones that fucked up marriage.

    Some people would be pissed because he sold out because of his role in Batman but me personally Joseph Gorden Levitt was never a Clint Eastwood.
    I was thinking someone more like that faggot lesbian bitch Nicole Silverberg.

  61. “As we get older and stop making sense
    You won’t find her waiting long
    Stop making sense, stop making sense…stop making sense, making sense
    I got a girlfriend she’s better than that
    And nothing is better than this
    (Is it?)”

    Well is it? LOLS

  62. Her post about “How to treat women better” is cancer and is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing. Here is one example, check this out;

    “When you see another guy talk over a woman, say: “Hey, she was saying something.””

    Flip the motha fuckin scrip.

    – When you see another women talk over a man, say: “Hey, he was saying something.”

    Would definitely work if the guy doesn’t white Knight and say something like “Oh it’s all good dude idc.”

    You can literally do this with all of them.

    Deep down she wants a man to treat her exactly like this and fuck her nasty little brains out.

  63. I like women who glam it up but most of the women I see (other than Latinas) put no effort whatsoever in their appearance. I would describe them as over the top plain. Most of these women wear no makeup and dress frumpy. Even if they did wear makeup I think most would still not look pretty as many have what I would describe as butter faces.

    Ah, the PNW. I’ve been there a couple of times, for a few days each time. I didn’t really notice it being that much different from most other places, but I also didn’t hit the scene there either due to being quite busy on the business trips I was on.

    Have you noticed the situation being different when you have traveled to other cities? I think it’s true that some places have more attractive women, or women who spend more time on how they look, than other cities — mostly that’s a combination of (1) the place attracting hot women and (2) the local culture emphasizing appearance a lot. Miami, Los Angeles and Manhattan come to mind if you like the “glam” look, for example. Not sure, but it could be that the female culture in the PNW isn’t really “glam” oriented — women, being more herd-like, tend to take sartorial cues from how the women in the environment around them are presenting, so that could be what is going on in your case.

  64. @Rugby 11

    “(Porn and FI have a hell of a lot in common)”

    Sex sells, most men buy into the fantasy while paying for something completely different,never realizing their own buyers remorse. I read your comments on the 21 convention ,they make good sense. My take is real people have agendas, FAPing causes men to ignore these agendas like having blinders on,a good recipie for a colision course with life.

    Thanks for the link.

    @Blax

    “This ain’t no mud show or C,B,G,B.”

    What is a C,B,G,B?

  65. Two underground clubs where the Talking Heads used to play are mentioned in the lyrics of Life During Wartime: CBGB’s and The Mudd Club

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBGB

    CBGB was a New York City music club opened in 1973 by Hilly Kristal in Manhattan’s East Village. The club was previously a biker bar and before that was a dive bar. The letters CBGB were for Country, BlueGrass, and Blues, Kristal’s original vision, yet CBGB soon became a famed venue of punk rock and new wave bands like the Ramones, Television, Patti Smith Group, Blondie, Makeout Music, and Talking Heads. From the early 1980s onward, CBGB was known for hardcore punk.

  66. @rugby11 at oct 23 at 7:40p

    JBP echoing the YaReally method of establishing a social circle and gaining social proof…lol… for the same cohort of men…lol

    good luck!

    @Jay Fink

    re girls in your area

    the FI pushes on everybody…lol… and especially girls…

    you live in progressivism central…lol… and the ‘effect’ you are seeing is a form of ‘celibacy club’ in play…

    https://krauserpua.com/2013/12/18/celibacy-clubs/

    just on a much larger scale… the function of which is to help separate the ‘alpha studs’ from the rest of the men… that’s why the system is moving towards 90/10 instead of 80/20… the problem for most of those girls is that they really can’t compete for an alpha stud…

    sooo, what is the latent purpose behind high heels and tight mini’s?… = ‘competition’… for that alpha stud over there…

    OH, WAIT!!! that’s not an alpha stud!!!… that’s just another man-bun sporting lumber-sexual ‘feminist’… or a WK ‘wanna-be’ (bc he doesn’t even attempt WKing… he’s too afraid of a ‘man-splaining’ accusation to even approach that girl on the street…lol)…

    girls in your area have almost no incentive (as a group or individual) to even ‘try’ anymore… and bc of that, the area attracts even more girls that ‘can’t compete’ in other areas of the country…lol… if you are going to stay in that area, your best bet is to make a plan to find those hotty HBs that are always in an area… it might be more difficult than in some place like Miami or NY, but there are SOME hot girls around… and given the ‘competition’ from the ‘man-bun’ dudes, YOU should be able to clean up…lol…but not kidding… and it only takes 2 to start a plate rotation…lol

    good luck!

    @Blaximus

    i always thought ‘burning down the house’ was about PUA…lol… about the joy of macking on a hb9…lol

    if i remember right, i was dave’s choreographer on this one…lol… that was a fun tour… hey, do you still have that white strat?…lol

    good luck!

  67. Heck, I was “rewarded” for watching the HABD video of Talking Heads Burning Down the House live in LA 1984.

    You know with a squirt of dopamine in the prefrontal cortex and nucleus acumbens of my brain?

    I think I’m going to watch it again.

  68. stuffinabox
    “FAPing causes men to ignore these agendas like having blinders on,a good recipie for a colision course with life.”

  69. Novaseeker
    Location is everything in terms of how many pretty women you see.
    Here in DC, there are tons of them, everywhere.

    Everywhere? Every single neighborhood in DC and the environs? How much would you like to bet I can find an exception to that statement?

    When I was in Philadelphia earlier in the year, I saw a lot of pretty women in the financial district as well as around Rittenhouse square. Down around South street, in the area around suburban station, in the subway stations, further east down Market but not in the tourist zones? Not so much.

    Money and shopping would appear to be factors. DC is unique. So is Manhattan in a different way (not Manhattan, Kansas).

  70. Everywhere? Every single neighborhood in DC and the environs? How much would you like to bet I can find an exception to that statement?

    Yes, that’s true — mostly I was thinking of downtown during the day and the nightlife type places after dark (Adams Morgan, Dupont, 7th street, etc.). If you’re out at a suburban mall, the number drops quite a bit, but it’s still quite north of 20% in my experience.

    I actually don’t think that the women in DC are particularly stunning compared to, say, Miami, LA or Manhattan, but what’s noticeable is how in shape many of them are — so that even if they aren’t that genetically gifted, they’re still mostly slim, which is different than a lot of other places (again, I’m thinking more of the downtown or nightlife areas than the suburban mall here, as well).

  71. Just saw a Cavit white wine ad — shows two upscale 35-ish ladies oartying it down with the headline “Here’s to leaving the guys at home”

  72. @ HABD

    Oddly enough, my dad purchased my first guitar for me at age 7 ( so I’d stop pulling his guitar out of tune so often ) from a pawn shop. A white used ( heavily ) strat. I still have it although its been modified like crazy over the years, and my plan is to one day restore it since original style parts are now plentiful.

    That’s not me, lol, that’s Alex Weir. One of a billion guitar players on the planet that never had a lot of commercial notoriety. Playing with the talking heads and the brothers Johnson was probably the nadir of his professional life, although he played on tons of other groups recordings.

    The keyboardist however, is Bernie Worrel – a fellow jersey compadre , who played with the heads but was inducted into the rock and roll hof with Parliament Funkadelic. He passed last year.

  73. I’d respect these dumb-ass Jesus Freak Conservative talking heads a little more if they presented their topics in a fair way. It’s just the usual blame the Penis argument ad infinitum. Vote ‘publican cuz “I got the boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, but you got the mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyynnnn.” Never mind that Republicans haven’t been Republicans in about 100 years, and that these moron conservative Bible thumpers actually quote verse as a form of intrasexual competition.

    Mind you, I think he’s right about porn use. I also think it’s way too simplistic to blame porn and never talk about who’s making it hard to get erections.

    I guess men, especially conservative men, being told that they can do anything, and being rejected as worthless if they should fail to make the play-offs, reason that they aught to be getting erections for the same women that basically treat them like disposable utilities. Cuz “just do it. Pussy.”

    I bet the Archie Comics-clown quarterback who never thinks about shooting up the school manages to get by fine without porn since all the women want his dick anyways. But then the generous hero simp manages to have time for his down-trodden worm, geek side-kicks who just can’t seem to rise to the occasion in between sermons. What an awesome person. He might even manage to try to set one of his worthless friends up on a date only to end up pivoting him instead by accident. Y’know. As long as he’s a Christian. Don’t be a hater! Lift! Don’t ask me why, I don’t know, just lift it worked for me! Just do it!

    “Appreciate nature” “Smile for no reason” “More adventurous” All things you can put on an online dating profile. Just saying.

    Oh he threw in a stab at video-games too. Which I also agree on, but only because the dems use video games to spread their “fake-liberal” disease and leftist collectivism. They’ve been trying to recruit cunts as online thought police for years.

    He says women aughta be fatter too. But of course, state it in a way that is open to interpretation or else be pilloried by the whales who have the spare time to click around the internet in between wolfing down ice-cream and plotting murder schemes they never carry out.

    But he also talks about Discipline and Purposelessness. Good!

    He also talks about how having no purpose is the main cause of Boredom. I wonder if he ever thought that maybe having other people constantly pissing you off about what your purpose should be, only to never actually tell you is counter-productive. Purpose isn’t about showing off, that’s a side-benefit. Same with appealing to people and meriting attention from the ones you like.

    The self-talk stuff seems interesting.

    Over-all the gave a positive message, but the old-books mentality stinks right on through. These guys actually feel like part of the problem. You can count on them never to hold women responsible for their actions.

  74. A short story of a man I know that cucked himself, I posted it time ago in the Dream Killers post:

    “Many years ago I met a very smart thirty something guy who was doing a PhD in a top rank university in something related to Biology. He was doing very good progress with his research; he was getting good results, good publications and prestige. Before he ended his PhD studies he abruptly left them in order to move to another city to live with his “Oneitis” an old, fat, ugly single mom, mother of 3. It is a waste of talent because as far as I know he now survives by doing some shitty jobs. Regularly, he posts pictures on Facebook about how happy he is with his “Oneitis”. The sad thing is that you can clearly appreciate the repulsion that his ugly and fat sea cow feels for him.”

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