After the engaging conversation in this week’s comment thread, there’s something I’ve been contemplating and I think it might make for a good weekend discussion.
With regard to this new comfort women have with open Hypergamy now, proudly laying bare their Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks sexual strategy, to the degree that advertising agencies are making blatant commercials about it, I’m starting to think that women hold (or are progressively developing) a subconscious level resentment for those men who would willingly accept her intimately in spite of that foreknowledge.
I realize this reads like a “well, duh Rollo” moment, and I get that a deductive, lesser respect for a Beta man impulse resides in women, but what I’m considering here is this lesser respect in a new, open Hypergamy social context. Whereas before a Beta man might be excused for his ignorance of women’s sexual pluralism (AF/BB) due to women’s secrecy or marginalizing it, now women discover that the Beta men they need to consolidate on in the long term are such hopeless romantics and so sexually optionless that they’ll willfully ignore that open Hypergamy and accept them intimately in spite of it.
It’s an interesting conflict; on one hand the urgency of consolidating on a long term prospect leads her to the Epiphany Phase rationalizations for wanting to do things ‘the right way’ with the Beta provider, but on the other hand, there’s the fact that he accepts his pro-active cuckolding with full knowledge of not just her own prior Alpha ‘indiscretions’, but open Hypergamy on whole.
She needs the guy for provisioning and parental investment impulses, but now the buffer of convincing herself that this Nice guy is simply naive to how Hypergamy functions is gone, thus leaving her more resentful that the type of man she at least figuratively would spend her life with is this pathetic.
Commenter, salemsuwareh had an excellent observation from the last post that I didn’t want to be lost in the pile:
I just went to HUS’s article and the explanations given by the women and white knights there actually impressed me because they conveniently demonstrate so many things:
– The most important point is that the whole scenario is defined by the feminine imperative, this point really overrides and defines all others. It’s a form of thought control. If you define what was, what is and what could be according to your imperative then you can make yourself look right. It’s like a way more sophisticated version of 1984’s thought control.
– Women keep chiming in with their stories of how they too enjoy more attention from the other sex now that they’ve fixed some aspect of themselves (and they’ll try to clutch at Stephan doing the same thing to support their argument). What they don’t mention is the difference in SMV between men and women. Women START OUT being arousing to men and go downhill from there. A woman who made herself look better would’ve had at least as much attention when she was younger if she weren’t ugly then.
– Stephan describes himself as not having changed but the women say that is what he has. They are literally conjuring up the idea that Stephan is now more alpha out of thin air.
– They accuse men of doing the same thing women are doing if they can’t make a point or they accuse men of starting it. For example they say MEN who perpetuate the “beta bux” myth. In the next sentence, Susan says that only one of beta bux or post-wall women overestimating their SMV can be true, which coming from her can only be a case of willing, studied ignorance. She’s trying to take pieces out of Rollo’s words and put them against each other but she’s changing the context that the words were made for in the first place, for example – her comparison is false because post-wall women are DEFINED BY (other than visible outer signs ie. fading looks) a realisation that their SMV is under fire, that doesn’t put that in opposition to beta bux, it supports it. By now I’m thinking women have a natural talent for projection and rationalization.
– Men who fear being single like women do are beta men. They are so because a man with options by definition cannot fear being single, since he has options. If you’ve never had any success with women and you’re a plugged-in blue pill, of course you will fear being single! the leaps and haphazard logic she’s making here are just astounding, and that’s before I even begin talking about what she’s implying by saying/implying that men and women have the same problems.
– Susan is selecting the cases that support her point. The two ugly ducklings who find each other at age 28 and live happily ever after.
– Susan talks as if women have no idea what they’re doing with men. If epiphany-phase women are giving signs of being hooked on you, they must genuinely want to fuck you! because women are warm, fuzzy creatures and would never do something like try to push someone’s buttons to get what they want.
– It’s made out like Stephan can turn into a winner if he takes one of these leftover women, or rather that he already IS one because they want him now. They’re trying to prop up his ego to get him to go along with their imperative. Don’t worry Stephan, these girls finally understand that the person they really felt their tingles for was you all along! they were just confused by biker-Rob with the skull tattoo, but I’m all yours now baby.
Overall It’s pretty cool to see the three female weapons as I see them – the anointed trinity of Female Imperative, Rationalization and Projection – in action. They do it so well that you wouldn’t see it for what it is unless you’re familiar with something like Rollo’s blog, which is what’s going on with most men. Unfortunately for these women we have a failsafe, which is to observe what choices women make instead of listening to why they themselves say they make them (assuming she’s a rare woman who holds herself accountable for her own choices, that is).
The problem with convincing Stephan he’s on the right path (of Beta assimilation) is that this feminine-primary advice mistakenly presumes an old order, closed-Hypergamy social paradigm. The ladies at HUS presume Stephan is ignorant of this new-order open Hypergamy (or just initially questioning it), and as with women of their age, they cling to the idea that they can put the Hypergamy genie back in the bottle, reapply his Beta blinders, and thus re-prepare him for a 27-30 year old woman necessitous of his provisioning potential.
This is where their resentment stems from. Any man with the visceral knowledge of women’s dualistic sexual strategy who would still pardon their own participation in it is a man even less respectable than the forgivable Beta without that foreknowledge.
He’s a guy who Just Gets It, yet is so pathetically optionless he willingly chooses to participate in it, since to him the prospect of being manipulated is preferable to the threat of perpetual loneliness; which is the very same threat these women level at him in their advice.
The ‘better’ Beta they think can be built isn’t ego-satisfyingly believable if he’s already aware of and participates in the schadenfreude they have for him.
Mmm, windowsill treatments .. I’m a dead wasps and cobwebs man myself.
The Preparation Hypothesis made quite a wet splash, e.g. Suschinsky K, Lalumière M. 2011. Prepared for Anything? An Investigation of Female Genital Arousal in Response to Rape Cues. Psychological Science, 22(2),159-165. http://www.centenary.edu/attachments/psychology/journal/archive/mar2011journalclub.pdf “No [prior] study has examined women’s responses to stimuli depicting nonconsensual sexualinteractions that are otherwise identical to stimuli depicting consensual sexual interactions. … Men’s genital responses were largest for the consensual, nonviolent sexual stimuli and lower for all other stimulus categories, whereas women’s genital responses tended to be more evenly distributed across the stimulus categories.” Looking at Figure 1 bottom, women did show elevated genital responses to stimuli… Read more »
Getting further off topic, I had been dribbling blood meal for each pansy, and a neighborhood dog came to investigate. She is a happy but scruffy well-used mama dog who has produced large litters with multiple fathers the past half-dozen years. She usually greets me by falling supine at my feet and urinating the requisite 10-20 mL. She was lying in the gutter belly up with limbs spread while I was trying to get her to smell a big yellow pansy, as if trying to revive her, when the other aging female jogged by. It was sharing personal details like… Read more »
Its’s a threat from @ Princess:
“If you are 40 don’t look at 20 year old women, fucker.”
Who enabled these people?
Sholom !
lol hit tip to you Rollo
Game is fundamentally flawed. My argument is that Game is flawed not in execution but in legal parameters that surround society and the ultimate goal it seeks to achieve. The rules of the society tend to penalize fathering a ton of children due to child support and other legal burdens placed on the man to provide for them. So I am going against what society wants on the whole, for the whole purpose of just feeling good it seems Sure you can sleep with a bunch a women using contraception but what is the fundamental belief behind this hedonism (do… Read more »
Game is about far more than chasing pussy, it’s the practice of Red Pill awareness. The scope you cast Game in is narrowed to it’s short term uses, not the larger whole of how it can improve a man’s life in the long term. It’s not about hedonism, it’s about Men putting themselves as their own mental point of origin instead of feminine-primacy. Also, it’s not who’s outbreeding who, it’s about who’s outbanging who: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/26/are-the-cads-outbanging-the-dads/ Outbanging is different than outbreeding. A woman could casually ignore potential beta dads throughout her teens and 20s (her prime years) for a sterile ride… Read more »
@Joahua I feel your pain. lol I have picked up on a bit of adversity between the Game proponents and the MRAs but in my opinion I think it is best to support both. And I really wish more people on both sides would see that. Game adresses the personal needs, as you said, in the short run.. but ultimately fails in the big picture of the society we live within. MRAs address the big picture- although not in a way I always agree with- but fail to recognize that simply changing the laws and culture will not resolve a… Read more »
Joshua Raphael – “Game is fundamentally flawed….” No. Game works. It’s a tool, but like any tool it has to used properly. Proper use implies a limt to its usefulness. Today, in 2014, we are faced with dystopic society in the beginnings decline. Declining civilizations always feature collapsing social structures first before the collapse of their material infrastructures. The hedonism you note is just one symptom of a society in decline. Game is not, and never was, presented as a solution to the larger macro issues of society. It does however have some limited potential to positively influence society simply… Read more »
” . . . we are too few in number, and too divided by political ideology . . .”
To which Jack Donovan would say, “Form a gang and start the world.”
kfg – “To which Jack Donovan would say, ‘Form a gang and start the world.’ ”
Isn’t that what we’re doing now?
No.
You have to log out to do it.
open hypergamy, malice, and forethought.
https://twitter.com/Indiana_Adams/status/507912460947685376
“By now I’m thinking women have a natural talent for projection and rationalization.”
“Susan is selecting the cases that support her point.”
The Hamster & Solipsism…Haha, gotta love it!
Game Works: http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/09/game-works/ Doing Something What is the manosphere actually ‘doing’? This is the first critique I expect from from a poor debate opponent – disqualifying the strength or validity of a premise by the ‘success’ or lack thereof of a proponent’s efforts to enact or convince others of that premise. By this logic, one could make the case that the MRM is an utter failure, but it still doesn’t mean they aren’t correct in their efforts. As I mentioned on the Christian McQueen Show, I’m of a bottom up, or an inside – out mind when it comes to… Read more »
“Princess” = Princess SSB = Freud = Phillip = Professor Hardwiggs = Plagio
And new email accounts for the same IP every time, that’s dedication.
Aha. Makes more sense now that Hardwiggs was a feminist plant. Dedicated trolling, though, which is as pathetic as it is impressive.
Curious if Stephan a lost cause. Any idea if he read any of Rollo’s wisdom or that of the collective gang? Would be nice to have one saved soul from the net. But then Princess would try to reconvert him. Hope he makes it.
Gottit, WCB. “Spreading chaos, one dick at a time”
She’s aiming to be a Beltway intern, yeah?
Bear in mind, I consider ‘Stephan’ a proxy for the majority of men experiencing the same thing he is now. I hope he did read this and the prior post, but these were for all the ‘Stephans’ reading them.
And despite Aunt Giggles predictable accusations he’s a troll job, I just c&p’d his email from her site.
“Hardwiggs was a feminist plant” Blimey. Like official opposition? Seemed just a frantic, obsessive, uneducated, slightly sad and repulsive loony to me. Just goes to show, eh? You never can tell.
Aiming for that and to be the women that the Stephen’s of the world are seeking advice about.
@Rollo I get your point about the MRM being wrong about equalism, and I agree. But is there not some positive effect to pushing back on some level? Even if only to push back on the misandrist laws, would that not avoid the worst of abuses men suffer in divorce cases for example? I’m imaging a state were men are game aware and so manage their personal lives in a RP fashion, and a judicial system that doesn’t leave men on the brink of legal ruin every time he gets laid, simply on the accusation from a jilted woman. Basically… Read more »
Hobbes – “it would be nice if the MRM helped keep the governments boot heal off it as well.” It would be. How successful have they been? The first time I heard about “men’s rights” as a coherent idea was in 1994. Have we gained or lost ground legally in the last 20 years? The MRM hasn’t even managed to hold the line, if they’ve even slowed the progress of the Cathedral I’d be suprised. But yes I think supporting the MRM is a good idea inspite of their record. They are the only game I town for anyone who… Read more »
When the BP’ers google “why won’t my wife fuck me anymore” the manosphere is there both with the answers to that question and with an action plan that will turn things around on terms that jive with his long time view of the world, not hers’.
The problem is the MRM doesn’t actually oppose feminism; the only thing in direct opposition to feminism is old school Patriarchy otherwise its one version of modern liberalism disagreeing slightly with another version
Good point Badpainter. I definitely wouldn’t rely on the MRM but I do “support” any act that even tries to poke the eyes of feminists and the govt thugs that empower them.By that same logic I don’t have much sympathy for white knights and wouldn’t lift a finger to help them either.
Hobbes – “I do ‘support’ any act that even tries to poke the eyes of feminists and the govt thugs that empower them.” Then #gamergate is where the real action is. Those guys are currently IMO the wave of the future for how fight the culture wars. All Alinsky rules all the time, fight dirty, fight to win, no mercy. If the SJWs aren’t crying, and crying foul you’re not doing it right. Much the same the PUAs and their fuck-everything-scorched-SMP brand of aggressive hedonism is another viable option to push back. Coupled with MGTOWs playing Pied Piper to the… Read more »
SELF-RESPECT is the theme here. It keeps coming up again and again. Listen up and take a major note of this because it matters more than anything else in your life — because it’s the *foundation* for everything you do. Girls will perceive you as PATHETIC if they perceive your behavior to be pathetic, REGARDLESS of your reasons for acting that way. There is no justification that will impede their biologically controlled perception of men. Between being physically and emotionally abused and neglected, molested, bullied, psychotic episodes, institutionalized, years of self-mutilation, never having acknowledgement for ANY of this and struggling… Read more »
The advancement of the female imperative, which impels a woman to look for a better man regardless of the quality of man she has, is all about limiting men’s sexual options. The more a man is preferred by women obviously the more sexual options he has, which makes it all the more unlikely he will bother choosing one particular woman. Thus the FI is clearly antagonistic to the male imperative, and thus equalism, or any concession to the male imperative much less a balance, cannot be a goal of the FI. Hence if women were to believably propose any social… Read more »
jf12
Hypergamy is the means by which the FI manifests itself most directly, and male violence is the means by which the male imperative (to have as many women as possible) manifests itself most directly.
Men seek to control their surroundings or immediate enviroment directly via manipulation of tools, while women seek to control their environment indirectly, via manipulation of other people (women and men). It’s baked in the cake in evo-psych terms due to sexual dimorphism.
And in fact anyone who can stomach reading HU$ as Rollo did for the OP can see this in action. The various femmes hitting the wall or about to do so are busily trying to manipulate Stephan into serving one of their own.
IMO this is why women react as they do to the notion of MGTOW. Taking a potential mate out of the pool puts all of them at risk.
Men, in general, have lost. Full stop. There is no hope for the gender turning things around. It is over. The FI is victorious and society will reap what the feminists and their blue pill allies have sown. For the individual male, however, it’s still survival of the fittest. One can still groom the physical, collect the wealth / power, sharpen up the game, and apply dread to sarge the HB’s ranked 1-2 one’s inferior. If a two-paper bagged 1-2 inferior is still repulsive, there’s only MGTOW with masturbation / escorts and / or libido-suppressing anti-depressants in one’s future. RP… Read more »
@AR re: “women seek to control their environment indirectly, via manipulation of other people” Victoria Plumb, which makes its money by convincing women that they need to replace perfectly good bathroom fixtures, last week promoted a study that men refuse to properly obey women in doing their bathroom-cleaning bidding. Evidently the company thinks this will make women feel neglected, thereby prompting them to want to buy stuff. The point being, women are manipulable too. Maybe the awareness of how one is being being manipulated is only half of the red pill, and the other half would then be knowing how… Read more »
“Maybe the awareness of how one is being manipulated is only half of the red pill, and the other half would then be knowing how to manipulate others?”
The other half is “game” and you are correct it is about how to behave with women so you get what you want. You can call it manipulation or you can call it survival. It is what it is.
According to Scott et al., the reason that women prefer more masculine faces is because those men look more aggressively antisocial.
Scott I, et al. 2014. Human preferences for sexually dimorphic faces may be evolutionarily novel. PNAS, 11(40), 14388–14393 .
Only women from highly developed societies who have been exposed to a great deal of men in their lives exhibit this effect. All other women, e.g. rural women, e.g. primitive women, prefer nicer-looking men.
Hey thanks for the reply Rollo, Hobbes, Bad Painter and others for the responses I am beginning to understand the principles of game better but like everything its going to be a on going process to really internalize the principles and be able to effectively apply them to my life.
Perhaps it is the behavioral sink caused by women’s excessive social interactions with strange men that is leading to the observed social disintegration. The paradox of choice causes hypergamy, in the red pill sense, to be frustrated and the females go insane.
One solution would be burkhas and house arrest.
jf12 – “Rural women, primitive women get to see men actually work at physical labor where that labor is obviously of direct benefit too them.”
In the concrete jungle physical appearance is a proxy for what would otherwise be visible behavior. The “nicer-looking” man processing 29P/Q forms in Information Retrieval isn’t obviously capable of anything physically demanding (from violence to a good shagging) no matter how well formatted the cover sheets on his TPS reports are.
jf12 – “One solution would be burkhas and house arrest.”
And yet honor killings and stonings are still necessary to maintain the collective dread.
I was at my most Alpha when I concerned myself with fulfilling myself, not her needs.
This knowledge lead her to be more submissive with me.
I still made it out to sound like I was the bad guy though, so she could have an illusive vision of me actually being the good-guy.
Impossible. My taking advantage of her, made my frame stronger and reaffirms herself in your absence.
@David:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/01/17/mister-softee/
@ jf12 “Maybe the awareness of how one is being being manipulated is only half of the red pill, and the other half would then be knowing how to manipulate others?” Not only knowing how, but not feeling guilty for it. Women are absolved of any and all responsibility for spinning plates. It’s completely justified and endorsed by feminism. Have all their beta orbiters that they knew from the start would never see them naked, lead them on to get favors and emotional support from them, while they fuck the alpha guys and complain about them never sticking around. And… Read more »
There were some interesting comments above in regard to the beta state of the male: @bango tango “The Beta is the natural state of all men when they actually like a woman, you can’t help yourself ” @George: “Your “state” is really an unnatural psychosis resulting from extreme frustration and yearning for sexual intimacy caused by deprivation. The biological drive is very strong and unrelenting. When stifled and distorted by lies and culturally imposed imperatives this drive will manifest itself in less than desirable way as we are experiencing.” I disagree with both points. I consider the “Beta” effect as… Read more »
Bluntobj – “Inequality may be a necessary part of humanity, the maintenance of civilization, and human intersexual relations.”
An astute observation.
Equality was only possible when civilization had seemingly erased the connection between physical labor and survival. By producing food in excess of consumption the demand for physical labor declined thus redefining work from a necessary survival activity to a part of the pursuit of thoughtless materialism.
Update. The Shattuck divorce was finalized a week ago already. Everything was sealed.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/shattucks-divorce-case-quickly-resolved-sealed/29607592
“The natural state of men at this point began with his alphaness over the female as the default “floor” . . .”
@Softek, re: “That’s sick. To lie to someone like that.”
Yes it is. Keep in mind that the original post takes it another step further.
I definitely believe that there is deliberate malice in the feminist program geared to empowering the sexual options of women through keeping the majority of men of men sexually thirsty and optionless. It is too vastly organized and too systemic to be simply ignorance.
Elspeth is trying to express a difficult truth on her blog. I think that that truth is really, although presumably no woman would dare to agree with me, that one of the big expectations that a woman has is that her man will be able to insist upon her fulfilling *his* expectations. But modern feminist society is set up specifically to take away his power and ability to insist. Indeed, it is practically against the law for any man to *have* any expectations, much less insist on them. Hence a woman’s expectation, i.e. that her man has power, is frustrated.… Read more »
@ jf12 I agree. “Gaslighting” comes to mind. Men who are kept sexually thirsty and optionless are told that it’s their fault, that they feel like they’re “entitled” to sex, they’re perpetuating “rape culture,” they have a bad attitude, they’re misogynists, etc…that the problem is just with them and to stop blaming people outside of themselves. …and to keep continuing the beta, white knighting, etc. behaviors that are perpetuating their torment. And the whole time guys like I was before finding No More Mr. Nice Guy and RM, will keep beating themselves up and wondering why they can’t get laid,… Read more »
@ jf12 I was thinking of your ‘big baby’ comment. I remember growing up I would always criticize my dad for being ‘lazy’ and making my mom do EVERYTHING for him while he laid on the couch. He would come home from work and that was it. Drink and on the couch. He would not even get up to get the remote control – he would yell for my mom. And he would complain if she took too long or didn’t hear him the first time. Same with making him dinner and bringing him his dessert. I mentioned it before,… Read more »
jf12 – “But modern feminist society is set up specifically to take away his power and ability to insist. Indeed, it is practically against the law for any man to *have* any expectations, much less insist on them.” It’s perfect form of mate poaching. The state having usurped the provider role and also through it’s monopoly of violence is the invisible hybrid Alpha/white knight that tempts women to fulfill the worst of their hypergamous desires. At the same time the state acts to enforce on all men the obligation to provide resources to all women. Yay Marxism! Unlike the cad… Read more »
Softer – “He was basically a completely absent parent though so I never really learned anything from him directly, but being exposed to his behaviors around my mom has been an eye opener now that I’ve found this blog.”
You’ve just described my father. Not worth a shit when it came to preparing us (my brother and I) for the world. Mom on the other hand did yeoman work programming the perfect Betas.
@kfg
I do miss Andy Capp.
Yet it does prove the point I was making in that equality is a very recent phenomenon.
There is no equality. There has never been equality. There will never be equality. For the very simple reason that men and women are not equal. The egalitarian ideal is, in practical terms, only a bit more than 200 years old though, which, for those of us with a longer view of things than last Tuesday, is indeed quite recent. However, even 200 years ago the woman standing by the door with a rolling pin at high ready was already a very old stereotype, as was her cowed and beaten husband. As there has never been equality, so too has… Read more »
Speaking of laws:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/11/obama-internet-utility-fcc-regulation-net-neutrality/382561/
If the Internet is to be regulated like a utility I would imagine the public entitlement aspect of that will invite a great deal of demand to police the Internet for both tone and content in the name of the Public Good. That would of course be bad for the ‘sphere.
“I do miss Andy Capp.”
A vanished era. IDS would have him in front of ATOS and working for nowt on a Mandatory Work Assignment, stacking shelves for the likes of Tesco, within a month. And he’d have to get that everpresent tab out of his gob doublequick. Not that he could afford them, unless out of the back of a pikeys’ Transit.
Now accurately supplanted by “The Fat Slags”.
Blurks are just an interchangeable accessory, to buy their drinks, and a poke of chips in return for a bendover kneetrembler.
‘I don’t know whether the feminine imperative is starting to succeed at breeding willing Beta cuckold-men who are seemingly “getting aroused” by their girlfriends sport-fucking the various Alphas. This is the norm now. As the female imperative grows stronger so does the R selection environment. Men have no choice but to adapt just to stay in the breeding game. Being aroused by his girlfriend getting screwed by other guys seems to be an outgrowth of that environment. An evolutionary adaptation on the extreme end of the spectrum. It really indicates the pair bonding relationship is severely damaged.’ Interesting. This accounts… Read more »
Hopeless romantics… ill just leave this sad story here. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/parents-take-note-heres-what-alex-from-target-can-102286156569.html you know.. what drives a man to do something that stupid. poor parents? confused upbringing? too much disney? being a bronie? I mean yes, back when i was neck deep in the feminine programming shit.. i had my ‘the one’ ‘soulmate’ kind of bullshit running through my head. but this? this is a man built to be walked on by women. and they accept the open hypergamy completely because they’ve given up being able to attain love by any other means other than buying it or grovelling for it. the… Read more »
you can have equality or civilization. Pick one
Softek:
read this:
http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/
I’ll take a bit of exception. You can have equality or humanity, pick one. Hell, even the social insects which the ‘equalists’ love so much as a model only have ‘equality’ within rigid, heirarchical castes.
I note that there are those who are perfectly aware of this and have chosen to throw humanity under the bus. The extreme extremists actually have in mind throwing all life under the bus.
Think about that, within their own social structure, the transhumanists are the moderates.
re: malice. Maybe one reason a woman would prefer to believe that the beta is deceived is that then she can pretend to herself that he is just pretending to be beta, and so she can pretend he will soon surprise her by revealing himself to be an alpha, taking vengeance upon her for her wicked ways, spanking her etc. But if she knows he is meekly going along resigned to his fate, then she cannot so pretend: she knows he will never be a threat to her. Advice: approach each shit test as if she is trying to measure… Read more »
“prefer to believe that the beta is deceived is that then she can pretend to herself that he is just pretending to be beta” Running a successful con in this case might require her to con herself into believing that. Sort of as a self inflicted dread that the beta will realize her true value and dump her just like the Alphas before. Perhaps her contempt for her beta is a projection of her contempt for herself at being of such low value she couldn’t snare an Alpha’s commitment, and she had to con it out of a beta. The… Read more »
re: “‘The forlorn hope of the beta being a secret alpha is chasing a rainbow of unfulfilled redemption.”
The secret unicorn, disguised as a common sheep.
I’m actually liking this theory. It goes very well with usual story, i.e. all women believing that an alpha is secretly beta down deep where it’s hard to tell. “He really loves me, he’s really yearning to settle down with me. His ignoring me and having other girlfriends is just camouflage for his real emotions. I can tell, because I’m a girl, and girls can just tell.”
@badpainter: “Which would suggest the new open unrestricted hypergamy is actually an effort at honesty. Really it’s saying to the betas ” your not worth the lies, now give me stuff.” +1 for badpainter. This is key. For as much as many of us hate open hypergamy for what it is, we can’t deny that it is an effort at honesty when you look at it objectively. But the issue here is it relies on rubbing the majority of males (80%) the wrong way, so it has to be dealt with for the sake of civilization. Women having their own… Read more »
“Which would suggest the new open unrestricted hypergamy is actually an effort at honesty.” If women are being honest about this (and I’m not sure they are, just yet), it is only because they can be. Women now are in the driver’s seat. Women, and feminism, now have total power: politically, culturally, socially, economically, and morally. There’s not a damn thing any man can do about this, for at least a generation and probably longer. They have their own money, their own support systems and their own power bases. They have an entire governmental and cultural system set up to… Read more »
Resistance is futile, (1) Spin plates to the extent your looks, wealth/position, and game allow. Be polite/generous to the genuinely infirm, but as callous to others as they are to you. When a plate’s commitment ultimatums can no longer be deflected, cut the tie and move on. Be the alpha as much as you can and continually squelch the beta. But (2) if you want children, seek out an inexperienced younger woman 1-2 rankings lower than you. From the get-go put her on notice that marriage means ongoing enthusiastic sex with each partner being of equivalent physical fitness. And negotiate… Read more »
Deti – “They have their own money, their own support systems and their own power bases. They have an entire governmental and cultural system set up to maximize whatever they want. ” They have those things only because men haven’t yet decided to take them away. The get their power only by virtue of the state using violence on their behalf. They appear to win because the game is rigged in their favor by external forces. Any you said this: “There’s not a damn thing any man can do about this…” No, this is untrue. There much that can be… Read more »
I wonder if the recent rise in cuckold porn is really an indication that the men who watch it enjoy it from the perspective of the cuckold (husband/bf/etc.) rather than the guy fucking his woman. Certainly there are some unfortunate men who might get off on being the cuckold (similar to femdom and the like), but I imagine that most men just like the excitement/taboo of fucking another guys wife. Maybe what the cuckold porn directors have caught onto is the fact that having the ‘husband’ present in the shooting makes it more obvious what’s going on, thus adding to… Read more »
Half the population is even stupider than they would be if not infected.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/virus-that-makes-humans-more-stupid-discovered-9849920.html
No word yet as to amplification of effects of other infections such as toxoplasmosis.
re: anti-equality facts. Basically when it comes to libido, romance, orgasm, etc. women are “just like men”, except a whole lot less. 1) Sexual response is properly called vestigial in women. The clitoris is a vestigial penis, nothing more, with an order of magnitude less volume including internally. Yes, the “internal penis” is a lot bigger than the “internal clitoris”. 2) Women want sex “just as much as men”, except an order of magnitude less often. When left strictly to their own devices, so to speak, single women average an order of magnitude fewer orgasms than single men. 3) Women… Read more »
@ thedeti I’ve read that. Could’ve written it myself, although I think my version would be a lot darker. I’d consider my dry spell to be longer than that guy’s, figuring he had an ex-wife, and I was 4 years older than him when I had my first sexual experience — a blowjob — and it was another year before I had *5 DAYS* of fooling around, no intercourse, not even full days because I had to go to work and could only see her when I got home, and had to drive to see her in the hotel. That’s… Read more »
In light of open hypergamy now becoming the defining element of the FI’s approved script for women I wonder if the hysteria about “rape culture” is sort of meta-gut-feeling on the part of the herd that perhaps they’ve gone too far and fear the time to pay the piper is drawing near. If one considers that the trend line to fully transparent open hypergamy/AFBB tracks right along side of the “war on women”, campus “rape” hysteria, “street harassment”, and yes-means-yes type laws/regulations one can plainly see the effort to pre-emptively defend the FI from a male social reaction. Those defensive… Read more »
Hypergamy doesn’t care about mutually beneficial accommodation.
“Hypergamy doesn’t care about mutually beneficial accommodation.”
Indeed, maybe it will care about a genuine rape culture.
Genuine rape culture happens during total war culture; hypergamy goes into overdrive.
One more note: I got defensive @ thedeti’s post. There is a reason for this and beta men need to take note: What is your attachment to being beta? What is the deal with your identifying with it? What are you *getting out of* maintaining your identity with being beta? The paradox here is all the stuff Rollo’s writing about is true, and rage/denial are natural phases to go through — but identifying with blue pill reality has “benefits” to it as far as our subconscious mind goes. My theory, based on my own experience, is that having been an… Read more »
Registering multiple accounts/emails using same IP is n00b. I remember making that mistake on Usenet.
I was 13 or 14. My guess is said “Prnciness” is at least 40 years old.
If Stephen actually changed and became more masculine with age, because he is of the late bloomer type, then he should be able to successfully pull pre-Epiphany women. If he can’t do this, then we have our answer: pre-Wall women are lying to you. Late blooming is a possibility. Some guys just get things like facial hair, higher lean body mass, wider chest, loss of facial puffy fat and squarer chin in their late twenties. That is a good moment to start dating college chicks, but you have to go to places to find them. They are not in your… Read more »
Just as many men who are alpha to begin with dont know why, many men become more alpha with age and also dont know why. Alpha Beta is a continuum and many men move towards the Alpha end of the spectrum with age, often imperceptibly. It does frequently happen that a pretty boy or baby face becomes a rougher manlier man with the passing of a few years. Alphaness is often simple manliness which includes basic physical attributes like skin, muscle, posture and voice, all of which can change substantially, if imperceptibly, making a large cumulative difference over a period… Read more »
@ manosphere lurker re: cuckolding It’s not that women want to betray their genetic kin. This would be counterproductive for their own genes. If women had the capacity to do this, they would dilute their genes on purpose. Human instincts serve survival goals. I would postulate that female emotions help to survive ordeals. It could be that all the women that resisted the invasion of other tribe males, didn’t pass on their genes. In other words, in an environment, where you are powerless, you better like being raped or else you are dead. You better be sexy enough for the… Read more »
Rollo. When will you release your second book?
January is the plan