Transitioning

As most of my readers know I’m presently editing the final draft of my third book. A very large part, almost a third, of this new book will be dedicated to Red Pill Parenting. I’ve written several series-posts about parenting from a Red Pill perspective and I felt it was an important enough topic to deserve a category itself in my sidebar links. I’ve expanded significantly upon these essays in the book as well as adding more material and some general advice for Red Pill aware men in their parenting efforts.

One thing I’m asked of from men who are Red Pill aware fathers is what to look out for and what to apply themselves to in raising a son or daughter using a Red Pill Lens. While prospectively it will give women some parenting insights, I’ve written this section with the intent of informing men about what they can expect from a feminine-primary social bent on conditioning a man’s children to assimilate to a Blue Pill mindset.

Without giving too much away, I’ve tried to express the dangers of a system of feminine-primary acculturation that contributes to what we term ‘Blue Pill Conditioning’ in the manosphere. What defines a ‘Blue Pill‘ mindset means different things to different men, but what conditions him to literally think, and invest his ego into that feminine-primary identification is initiated at a very early age. One thing I think gets lost on guys becoming Red Pill aware is just how much of his very natural-feeling sense of self is the result of a conditioning that’s taken the better part of his lifetime to develop in him.

The main reason I began developing a Red Pill parenting dialog is because it’s vitally necessary for Red Pill fathers – really any father with a sense of conventional masculinity – to come to terms with how his sons’ and daughters’ upbringing will be defined by what I call ‘The Village’ in the book. I coined this from the popular meme that “it takes a village to raise a child”, and the Village we have today is one that is dead set on instilling and normalizing a state of deliberate gender confusion – and hopefully perpetuate that state into a person’s adulthood.

The Village

This Village is a catch-all term and I mean to have it represent all of the influences a child receives in its upbringing that contributes to its Blue Pill sense of self. This includes the influences of media, popular entertainment, academia, their pre and grammar school education, popular culture that actively seeks to instill its own ideological base, etc. These are fairly recognizable sources of the Village’s systemic influence, but it’s also important to understand that this influence will be reinforced by your child’s peers, their Village family and relatives.

‘The Village’ will raise your kids if you don’t. You will be resisted, you will be ridiculed, you will be accused of every thought-crime to the point of being dragged away to jail for imparting Red Pill awareness to them (in the future I expect it to be equated with child abuse). The Village will teach your boys from the most impressionable ages (5 years old) to loath their maleness, to feel shame for being less perfect than girls and to want to remake their gender-identity more like girls – to the point that transitioning their gender to girls’ will be the norm.

The Village will raise your daughters to perpetuate the same cycle that devalues conventional masculinity, the same cycle that considers a father’s presence as superfluous and their sacrifices as granted expectations. It will raise your daughters to over-inflate their sense of worth with unmerited confidence at the expense of boys as their foils. It will teach them to openly embrace Hypergamy as their highest personal authority (publicly and privately) and to disrespect anything resembling masculinity to be less than some silly anachronism or reverse it into being all about men’s insecurities.

The good news is that for all of these efforts in social engineering, the Feminine Imperative is still confounded by basic biology and the psychological firmware evolved into us over millennia. That basic root reality is your greatest advantage as a father. If there’s one underlying truth upon which to base your parenting it’s this; children are still motivated by evolved influences that are relatively predictable. Begin from the root truth that we evolved our psychology and our behaviors from intergender complementarity that made us the preeminent species on this planet. It takes a global Village to distort this by teaching failed notions of egalitarian equalism.

Useful Tools – Blue Pill Fathers

Although the Village would assert its influence to be the primary one in your child’s life, and although it would have women believe that father’s are both necessary when convenient and superfluous, father’s are not without their uses. The Feminine Imperative (by way of the social system of the Village) needs fathers to help reinforce its feminine-primary influence in their children’s lives. Thus, Blue Pill fathers must also carry the feminine-primary water in their parenting. They must be taught to believe that parenting a daughter is preferable to parenting a son:

I realize that everything I could do with a boy I can do with my daughters (i.e. play basketball, teach them how to throw a punch, and play in the dirt). Yes, I know that’s a big fat “duh” for many of you, but I’m a recovering knucklehead with minimal relapses, so please humor me. And yes, I’m going to teach them much more than those three things – but I promise you that I will teach them those three things.

The Feminine Imperative needs men to constantly reaffirm the fallacies of egalitarian equalism, but it is The Village that needs a father to instill them into the minds of their own flesh and blood as well as those of other fathers. The meme is always a pretense of gender-neutral equity, but the latent purpose is one of devaluing the very existence of boys, and, by extension, conventional masculinity.

And this is the crux of the effort to enlist fathers in the system of the Village; masculinity and maleness are always portrayed as problems to be solved – the solution always being more feminine identification. The main goal of the Village is to destroy and redefine conventional masculinity in a way that only benefits the feminine.

I realize that being “girly” is just a myth. What does that mean, anyway? Would my kid be less girly if she dressed up as Spider-Man for Halloween instead of a princess? (and that’s exactly what she did, by the way). Would she be less girly if she wanted to tackle little boys on the football field instead of taking ballet classes? Not to me.

This is precisely the degree of gender obfuscation the Village requires fathers to endorse. The squid ink here is the idea that masculine and feminine, boys & girls, male and female are all one, undifferentiated whole; in fact the old ideas of gender differences that brought the human race to where it is today, we are taught, were nothing more than “myths”. The underlying note is that girls are the functional equals of boys, but girls have the social and sexual advantage of being female.

The social narrative of the Village, the one it needs fathers to internalize and parrot back, is one of Fempowerment, but simultaneously one of male disempowerment. The idea then evolves into a sense of conventional masculinity being a defect of men; men are just unperfected women who are in need of women (or their daughters’) innate correction.

The idea here is that men with daughters make for better men” as defined by the Feminine Imperative and approved by The Village. What Red Pill fathers need to acknowledge in this that their sons will be taught that their maleness is inherently flawed. All of the attributes and evolved instincts that make him a boy will be connected with his masculinity being “toxic”.

“Toxic Masculinity” or “Hyper-masculinity” are common tropes in the Village. We’ve gotten to a point that any form of traditional, conventionally masculine behaviors are now equated with a character flaw in men. So thoroughly has the Village distorted the old books definition of manhood that anything resembling a characteristically masculine behavior is, by default, an act of ‘hyper’ or “over-the-top” masculinity. This, of course, makes characterizing those acts as toxic, or ridiculous.

The Preferred Gender

In my essay, Environmental Stresses I added this quote from the book The Red Queen:

Contrary to popular belief a preference for boys over girls is not universal. Indeed, there is a close relationship between social status and the degree to which sons are preferred. Laura Betzig of the University of Michigan noticed that, in feudal times, lords favored their sons, but peasants were more likely to leave possessions to daughters. While their feudal superiors killed or neglected daughters or banished them to convents, peasants left them more possessions: Sexism was more a feature of elites than of the unchronicled masses.

[…]Lower down the social scale, daughters are preferred even today: A poor son is often forced to remain single, but a poor daughter can marry a rich man. In modern Kenya, Mukogodo people are more likely to take daughters than sons to clinics for treatment when they are sick, and therefore more daughters than sons survive to the age of four. This is rational of the Mukogodo parents because their daughters can marry into the harems of rich Samburu and Maasai men and thrive, whereas their sons inherit Mukogodo poverty. In the calculus of Trivers-Willard, daughters are better grandchildren-production devices than sons.

These quotes are a part of a much more in depth look at how both environmental and social stresses contribute to a ‘preferred gender’ dynamic in both animal populations and human social structure. As I was reviewing this book recently it hit me how western cultures have blatantly been endorsing ‘female’ as the preferred gender for the past 60-70 years now.

I realize this assertion grates on popular culture’s sensibilities when it comes to gender, but as I stated in that essay, at no other time in human history has it been more advantageous to be female than today. Whether you want to argue that assertion from socioeconomic, education, gender identity, social ‘progress’ or any other metric, women in this era enjoy a condition that places their sex as the primary one in terms of social advantage. Women today live in a social condition that advantages, ensures their relative successes and directly or indirectly provisions for their personal security while simultaneously seeking to handicap being male and ridiculing the conventionally masculine.

In many a prior essay I’ve made the assertion that this effort in feminizing boys – in “perfecting” them with feminization – has been a long effort in social engineering. And while I still believe this is true, I think that in recent years the adaptive response to this preferred gender dynamic for Blue Pill fathers, men and boys is now an effort in socially engineering boys to imagine their gender identity as being transitionable to that of girls. Needles to say this push for gender self-reassignment has been embraced by the Village.

Olivia loves Disney’s Frozen princesses, all things sparkly, bright tights and ballet. During her family’s Cuban vacation last summer, she danced in the children’s “mini-disco” before the evening shows, twirling and leaping across the stage. One night another guest turned to her parents, exclaiming, “Your daughter is the girliest girl I’ve ever seen!”

Olivia was born a boy.

She “socially transitioned” from male to female, in nursery school last year. She was four years old.

Today, she attends kindergarten at a Montreal primary school. Only her teachers and the school board know she is transgender, for now.

Olivia (not her real name to protect her identity) is part of a growing phenomenon that is being celebrated but which is also raising strong emotions: an increasing number of children as young as preschoolers appearing at gender identity-clinics across the country, convinced they are of the opposite sex.

The new push to normalize transgender acceptance relies solely on the presumption that gender identity is a social construct rather than influenced by biological, and evolved psychological dynamics inherent in both sexes. The idea again comes back to the egalitarian presumption of a blank-slate equalism and a rejection of gender as a binary determination. Yet in over 90% of transgender identity shifts we see it is boys who opt to “become” female in their self-reassignment. Left to their own non-abstract decision making – and reinforced by Blue Pill parents and the Village – boys will, in the binary, shift to a female / feminine gender identity in overwhelmingly greater numbers than girls shifting to a male / masculine identity.

I would argue that this greater transgender preference for boys is a direct result of the Preferred Gender dynamic and reinforced by the Village conditioning boys for it while normalizing the idea of it in a larger cultural respect. This is the next step in cultural feminization of boys and men that began in the touchy-feely days of men needing to “get in touch with their feminine sides.”

It is no longer enough for boys just to be educated in a feminine-correct manner. It is no longer enough to teach them to despise the gender they were born into, “hoping their penises will fall off”, and it’s no longer enough to condition them to defer to girl’s perfectness. Boys must literally be transitioned to be girls from as young an age as 4 years old.

This is the degree to which the Village and the Feminine Imperative will go to condition future men into a Blue Pill mindset. I outline this in the upcoming book, but this is vitally important for Red Pill fathers to understand because these will be the ‘boys’ they may eventually need to mentor and unplug from their very early psychological damage. Many voices in the manosphere call this damage child abuse and it’s easy to understand why; this damage works on a boy’s most intimate part of his sense of self.

Red Pill fathers need to recognize this perversion of conventional masculinity for what it is and protect their sons (as well as daughters) from it while still anticipating the fall that will result from the “men” this re-engineering of gender will create.

 

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FIWL
FIWL
4 years ago

@asdgamer I get where you are coming from. You are putting the alpha guys above apha females in the sexual hierarchy. If you look at the the seduction process, and PUA (PUA is reverse engineered on how hot girls act.) alpha males have personality similar to alpha females. From a civilizational perspective spanning a longer time frame , alpha males rule the roost because they take the risks , build empires and progress the tribe etc. There all the girls compete for the alpha guys. But taken a shorter time perspective and when seen just with the reproductive and surviving… Read more »

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

@YaReally The one danger of the Luke method of “people-collecting” is that in some cities or social circles there is a suspicion of “tourists”.

He’s super friendly but in some closed social circles that friendliness gets people suspicious.

I’m often the outsider in many of the social circles I enter. I can break through quickly but it takes balls of steel because being that super friendly and the outsider leaves you vulnerable to jealousy from the local betas.

I find being slightly aloof rather than a wild and friendly as Luke serves me better.

Zhu Wunang
Zhu Wunang
4 years ago

@yareally There is something going on here that is really strange. I noticed it a bit in one of the previous battles, maybe the epic “looks matter” war, where it seems that someone else has taken over Rollo’s account. This “ban RSD” stuff came out of nowhere and from what I can see, there is no basis for it, at least based on your behavior. Rollo hinted at some external source, though, but we won’t know what that is until he weighs in on it. There have been a parade of dudes backing you up on this, so you’re not… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

Sentient: “As a defiant young kid, I first started going to nightclubs when I was 12 years old… At the time, I convinced a nightclub owner to give me a job,… As a result, the owner of the club would get me into the club and sneak back stage to hang out with the rock bands, like Bush, Korn, and Deftones… It was the perfect job for me because the bar was across the street from the California State University of Sacramento, where my father was a professor at the time. He’d pick me up after work at the university… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Jordan doesn’t get the credit he deserves for changing the bidness side of sports.

Every athlete after him should probably pay him some sort of royalties

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Yareally culum Sentient LIES because he doesn’t give a shit if guys learn how to build better social circles and get access to hotter girls, he’s just here to wave his e-dick around and put up obstacles to actual discussion and education. You could apply any of this stuff this weekend if you wanted to, but listening to Sentient and Rollo you would never even look at this. SOMEONE who’s actually going out please make this worth my typing it up lol LOL…. So inconvenient truth from your own RSD guys is a lie? Hey guess what kids, spend a… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Kind of laughing about the guy messing up his foot during a hotel fire alarm

One of the odd military things that likely will never leave me is always know where my boots are, and my boots being unlaced/ ready to slide my feet into. Bare feet equals losing; soft shoes vs hard boots equals soft shoe guy getting his feet broke etc etc.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Yareally

I’d welcome both your input on how that has relevance when Max runs a bootcamp in EE or Tyler runs a bootcamp in Dallas.

Celebrity is transferable, but that is not the issue… Dallas and Little Rock pay the bills… that is the whole point…

SFC Ton
4 years ago

LATER you can enter the club…but now you have all these people you’ve already met….. Good job my man! I would do two versions of that sort of thing back when I had a platoon and taking guys to raid college towns. 1st we’d break down into smaller teams and hit all the areas with pizza joints, coffee shops, used book stores etc and talk to everyone about where to party. Talk about places get names etc and text each other then intell. Best case would be getting invites to go with them or to house parties/ frat parties. Worse… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

YSG vs OMG…. seems like it’s all about the hurt feelings.

rugby11
4 years ago
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SFC Ton
4 years ago
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File not found?

anon
anon
4 years ago

“Jordan doesn’t get the credit he deserves for changing the bidness side of sports.

Every athlete after him should probably pay him some sort of royalties”

Jordan don’t know shit. He’s old. The game has changed.
Look at these videos of a guy who REALLY knows how to throw a ball into the basket, from the sidelines, standing miraculously 100 feet away. And you know it’s true because you can see the ball going in to the basket.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

The first article of PUA faith is “DO NOT QUESTION THE FAITH”… Yareally has done an excellent job making my point yet again… you see NOW that RSD have a “social circle” product they are out pitching it… meanwhile they have been using the same “product” all along for years and years… since day one in fact. But that was all cold approach right (wink)… But new fields must be gleaned… revenue must grow… damn cannibilizing it all… [how many promoters will be happy to receive “hey bro” texts from 1,000 Chody McChodesters, or having been impersonated etc… very genuine… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Papa talks about giving value by just being yourself and giving people good emotions without wanting anything in return and the reciprocation that happens from that. Hmmm…. Papa was a Rolling Stone? When I started – I had nothing… In fact, I was in debt. “I would travel the world with no money… sleep on couches… and basically do whatever it took to push forward.” I was raised in a very conservative Asian background. Growing up, I always had my nose in books and my career choice was already set for me. My father expected me to work in finance… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Sometimes I’ll change the name on my phone to the name of a promoter working that night (find out via social media) and I’ll just text myself “hey fam how u been” and then I delete the duplicate to myself and respond to myself “it’s been good bro! i’m in town u mind if I swing by?” “omg i’d love for you to swing by, come to the owners table at (club name)” “u sure its not too much trouble?” and I have to keep deleting the extra txts because I’m just txting myself, and then I just save it… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Jordan doesn’t get the credit he deserves for changing the bidness side of sports.

Every athlete after him should probably pay him some sort of royalties

Don’t worry his agent does… and they do…

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“YSG vs OMG…. seems like it’s all about the hurt feelings.”

Heheh. Yes it is!

It’s also inter-tribal manosphere sparring. And I think the sparring would happen in real life if the two tribes held to their own interests that aren’t mutually shared.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“I noticed it a bit in one of the previous battles, maybe the epic “looks matter” war, where it seems that someone else has taken over Rollo’s account.”

+1

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“This is because women don’t see you for you, they see men as tools to extract things from.”
Providers, sure. Unless you consider “sex and emotional rollercoasters” as things they want to extract (from Lovers), then sure I’ll agree.

Alphas are emotional-thrills providers. Betas are resource providers.

FI cultural imperialism I heard yesterday on cable on ION: “Every woman DESERVES to be treated like a princess at least once in her life.”

Wonder why young women act like Entitled Princesses ™?

Wonder why young men pedestalize women, generally?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Rollo

I was wondering how many RSD examples it would generate from you rather than your own interpretation of it.

I knew it and beat him 2 it, lol. Of course you knew that I saw thru your ruse. heh

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Rollo I rarely see an unfamiliar guy be ushered over or casually drop into a paid for table. By guys, I assume you mean. Girls invite unfamiliar guys to their table all the time. Bachelorette parties, birthday parties, GNO, etc. They’ll probably do that even to tables where there are bottle guys. I’m unaware of bottle guys, generally. I just chat up the guys who are at tables where girls invited me. Usually there’s some rapport. If not, I leave and chat up someone else. I chat up guys who are by themselves, in groups, etc. Showed my pics of… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago
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sfer
sfer
4 years ago

I used to think that yareally was just spamming with those RSD videos then I watched all the videos. They do provide value and good ideas.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

@YaReally @Zhu Wunang @Sentient Just a quick one because I don’t have much time today but: @Zhu Wunang – Thanks for that post dude. Agree and co-sign 100% re everything said about YaReally and the difference he makes to guys like us here. I was trying to make some similar-ish points in my post yesterday to Novaseeker and Blax but you’ve articulated this angle really well. @YaReally – Thanks for the table game video and the social circle explanations. I accept that the RSD guys aren’t being disingenous about the limits of game or the difficulties of social circle and… Read more »

sfer
sfer
4 years ago

@rugby11

please don’t use a link shortener. Can’t tell if your links like:

http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1NHZ

are appropriate/worth-reading.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

It’s also inter-tribal manosphere sparring. And I think the sparring would happen in real life if the two tribes held to their own interests that aren’t mutually shared.

Reckon I don’t get it

YSG’s cost me nothing
OMG’s cost me nothing

Nor is it my choice to make for other men

I probably understand both groups better then they understand each other but it’s all about risk, reward and options which vary like cray from dude to dude and place and time to place and time

rugby11
4 years ago
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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Rugby11, your tinyURL’s are a black box. Please start describing them or posting full URL’s if you want people to look at them.

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@FIWL okay, so first, what is it with all you guys and acronyms. sfj, kfg, jesus. were you fuckers in the army? secondly You just described what I already did(when i sent the text) when it comes to boyfriend destroyer routine i took it from Yareally archives. yeah and i said to keep it up but the main thing is… So she doesn’t exactly has the image of me being a mysterious man but more like a herb boring dude. I’m sure one live encounter can change all that perception. yeah yarealy or luke is fat as shit but could… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@culum On those lines – c’mon dude. Sentient isn’t lying. He may be wrong on this point but he’s a good guy and he also spends lots of time on here helping me and other guys. He has a different style of explanation and posting (and a different approach to life generally – see the looks threads, the various marriage threads etc). Just a different way of thinking (you’ll note that both of you pretty much agree on the actual pickup content and most of the advice I get from both of you is entirely complementary just pitched at different… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@sentient But wait Pa? I thought you were hitting clubs at 12 and your rich dad sent you to boarding school and you were a semi famous party promoter who worked for Playboy BEFORE you even met Tyler? I mean… with all that debt how could you have signed the lease for Mystery’s Project Hollywood pad? lol. there’s guys who came from nowhere like Kevin Smith who maxed out their credit cards and sold all their valuables and obsessed over their job and ended up making millions. and there are guys who are born into money who have no fucking… Read more »

scray
scray
4 years ago

@ya Gotta be THAT, it HAS to be shady and sneaky and some kind of trick, because GOD FORBID you can just socialize and give value and good emotions to people and they’ll reciprocate. That’s apparently a foreign concept to you guys lol This whole thread has made me realize that very few of you would ACTUALLY be fun to party with, because for you to have the negative “everyone is taking value everyone is selfish and out for themselves” etc mindsets you guys have about this stuff, like, that tells me what you’re like when you go out. That’s… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Oh Hank…. Please just… stop… but horny girls are horny girls and will fuck you all the same i’m just saying to slip in more comfort here and there so you don’t get a FRA and can turn her into a fuckbuddy. but purely to bang her its all the same. get meetup ASAP, DHV and cold read and escalate that shit and she’l get horny. Girls are attracted to alpha behavior regardless as if they are conservative or not. But you’ll want to seed the “there’s just something about you” shit early on, cuddle after sex, and go for… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Hank

But you can also work you ass off and make them from nothing.

Oh tell me more…

Yawn.

Started my first biz at 25 with zero money and a 1 year old kid… Making 7 figures at 30…

Started second business after that… growing asset base further…

One of the real benefits of TRM is the actual life experience of many, many of the posters… Not the least the host…

Your ignorance is abundant… but you are not 14 anymore…

try to grow up.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

scray

All this shit about mindset and so many seem to like…fail that too.

So your mindset isn’t different from your first post?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2230/2357479962_35f5edf142.jpg

Thanks Mom and Dad… [not on web site]

stuffinbox
4 years ago

@Hank

What is your passion?

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Scray “dude this is like my main harp on the manosphere. like, I say that the first REAL BIG HURDLE is to become a cool well-liked guy. Just get comfortable viewing social interaction as like….a friendly game of pong — just as meaningless. and just as fun. I seriously think the dichotomous spergy thinking is so strong that idk, you have to qualify like every other concept to avoid this ugly ‘ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE BOY’ mindset itself cribbed from every lame seafaring storm adventure/war/ancient epic movie.” Strawman statement. The difference between that statement and the mindset of Sentient,… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Hank

“All the RSD guys are VERY FUCKING above the table on how hard this shit is to pull off…”

Sounds alot like we screw the other girl and pass the savings on to you.

Social networking is easy,if you have something to offer.
If I want the job I tell them how easy it is,when I want to get paid I tell them how difficult it is.
If everyone would stop with the differences and focus on the comonalities RSD would be out of biz overnight.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

All but the trucking company came my way via social circle game. It’s how it’s done down here.

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@sentient I mean… you are an incel virgin who has never even kissed a girl.. yet so assured in Game advice? Sure. Kinda like how I have zero experience with polling, political science, public office, or anything even remotely related to politics, yet called the election when people with DECADES of experience in those fields were dead wrong. I specifically told people how women would still vote for Trump, and how people in the rust belt would vote for them. Nobody believed me. I have a regular at my work who thinks I am a wizard now since I was… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@stuffinbox Social networking is easy,if you have something to offer. If I want the job I tell them how easy it is,when I want to get paid I tell them how difficult it is. If everyone would stop with the differences and focus on the comonalities RSD would be out of biz overnight. I mean, that’s MOST businesses. You can learn to change your oil, grow your own food, and bulk up all on your own. Most people though won’t or can’t spare the time to put in the time and effort to learn all those things on their own.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

One of the real benefits of TRM is the actual life experience of many, many of the posters… Not the least the host… Kinda like how guys like Yareally and Scray go out on a weekly basis to pickup 18-25 year olds in the clubs. So they have substantial knowledge on how young girls these days actually are. Ahhh, Yes The siren song of one dimensionality. Getting laid is necessary and a sexual strategy and all, and then you come into more dimensions in life, like a professional (or not) job, spiritual life (in a secular vein) that makes you… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

FR Had this singles apartment,split the rent with my wing,one of those horseshoe designs,central courtyard with a swimming pool groundskeepers,full time maintenance security office.Nice place our patio door was ground level about 50ft to the pool,aspen trees,nice ambiance. Two blocks up the boulevard was the best club in town,became a regular there,but only pulled a couple of girls out of the club. My wing man if you could hear him talk was like a blend of Ya and Scray to the tee,no BS serious man. These two new chicks A hard 8 and a soft 6,moved in across the way… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Comonn Haank “I mean, that’s MOST businesses. You can learn to change your oil, grow your own food, and bulk up all on your own. Most people though won’t or can’t spare the time to put in the time and effort to learn all those things on their own. So they turn to others to give them the down and dirty on how to gain these new skills. Or just up and do it for them.” Changing your oil can get you dirty and break your knuckles,growing your own food takes time and husbandry,bulking up is hard work and requires… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

dimensionality. I won’t make the claim PUA are one dimensional because I don’t know any legit, school trained PUA I do know men who are good with women and all of us are multidimensional men. Many of those dimensions are unsuspected which adds to the effect. The old money pretty boy who also races street bikes and is a bad ass special operations helicopter pilot, the successful vacation bar owner who was Tier 1 for 18 years, the biker who has read 300+ non fiction books etc etc. I get the appeal of PUA school ( or however you want… Read more »

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

Can someone clarify what are the regulations regarding multidimensional personality, what are approved dimension and such? Just to be sure.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

This must be a trick question,the first rule is there are no rules. These RSD guys brains have rewired to a social addiction,sorta one dimensional,I would bet good money if you take them out of this environment and say put them on a dairy farm,they would be pretty much worthless for a long time going through withdrawls. At the same time they are selling this social connection stuff as hard,not only is it become easy for them,it is the only thing they know. The best success in life is being well balanced,for various and obvious reasons this is less common… Read more »

newlyaloof
4 years ago

@stuffinbox nice field report! Building houses and demolishing pussies. That’s good living right there.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Can someone clarify what are the regulations regarding multidimensional personality, what are approved dimension and such? “

No. But if you list your qualifications here sfcTON, Sentient or myself will let you know if you qualify. We’ll know it when we see it.

@SfcTON

“…y’all know which route I recommend”

Yes. And it’s plain to see why. I have a lot of respect for your former service.

othergrain
othergrain
4 years ago

“The best success in life is being well balanced,for various and obvious reasons this is less common these days,especialy on the net.”

The best success in life is not letting others tell you what the best success in life is, and dying happy.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

newlyaloof It’s a great life if you don’t weaken. FR for Hank. An associate of mine suggested this bar and grill on the river for a burger and a beer. I was making a solo run for lumber and stopped in for lunch.Place was pretty dead it was owned by an adventure company,white water rafting,bungee jumps,zip lines,chopper rides etc. I pick a stool at the end of the bar next to the batwings for the kitchen,the waitress is an early 20s 7 and was giving out iois,so I opened her.Turns out she was on summer break from college and found… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

othergrain let me know how that dying happy works out.Oh wait nevermind.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@TON

“I have a lot of respect for your former service.”

I didn’t mean to say that gratuitously. What I mean was I appreciate you organically developing your masculine warrior archetype (along with enlightened self interest) and then blogging about it for the benefit of other guys reading along at home.

@ Othergrain

Of course, you don’t have to and shouldn’t follow another guys prescription. But don’t think that absolves you being judged for merit in a group of guys.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

MrT Can someone clarify what are the regulations regarding multidimensional personality, what are approved dimension and such? Just to be sure. Maybe you can start by looking at your heroes… the lives the lived before they started playing the “game’… Mystery – accomplished professional magician with hundreds of shows… http://www.cfpromotions.com/special/magic/erikbio_files/image002.jpg Style – professional journalist for The Village Voice, The NY Times and then Rolling Stone, when that meant something… Jeffy – amateur stand up comedian and singer. Ozzie – emigre from Havana, Cuba to Europe, semi-pro baseball player in Spain. Owned ESL language company. Papa – well we covered his… Read more »

othergrain
othergrain
4 years ago

Judge away, mon frere. I have respect for men who do what they want regardless of what other men think of them (paging sentient) within reason of course. I have no respect for men who do what others told them was the right way to live without thinking for themselves. I happen to agree that being well-rounded (to a point) is important, FOR ME. I’d rather not live in a world full of jacks-of-all-trades, though. And I don’t need to spend time on a dairy farm to BE well-rounded. Other men find happiness in single-minded obsession. “Success in life” is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Oh… for those caught up in the easy breezy relationship you can have with your plate baby mama IF you have Wizard Level Game skills…

Might want to check in with the godfather, Mystery on that strategy…

http://www.vocativ.com/279467/infamous-pickup-artist-mystery-has-epic-facebook-meltdown/

http://media.vocativ.com/photos/2016/02/mystery-comment561522617.png

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Sentient

Thanks for the eye opener.

othergrain
othergrain
4 years ago

How would marriage have prevented that?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ Sentient Bobby Kotick, Activision (Guitar Hero) CEO: “Kotick, now 45, traces his ascent to the lessons he learned as a teenage hustler trying to escape the tedium of suburban Long Island, New York. He happily recalls his most profitable high school business venture, renting out Manhattan nightspots like Studio 54 on off nights and throwing parties for underage kids. The hardworking Kotick found the hedonism of his customers–his fellow teenagers–befuddling. “I could never understand how you could spend hundreds of dollars buying cocaine or pot. I worked too hard for my money. I saved it. I still have it,”… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

EhIntellect…

Yeah you see the same things over and over… We were always hustling… since 12 years old… cutting lawns, shoveling snow, painting… buying cheap cans of soda and selling them from a cooler on the beach… hey 500% markup! when I was 16 I loaned my mom $4k against her tax return… lol

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Sentient

Misplaced comment.

the eye opener was the talent s these guys have besides the ability to carry out their out the basic survival instinct of reproduction.

Mysterys domestic probs could be spotted coming from miles away.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“Getting laid is necessary and a sexual strategy and all, and then you come into more dimensions in life, like a professional (or not) job, spiritual life (in a secular vein) that makes you happy and focused on freedom to roam, and actual passionate, dynamic and authentic being with say nine other dimensions.” RSD does talk about MUCH more than just pussy. I can’t count how many videos about “happiness” they have. Pretty much every RSD guy has his own manifesto on it. Julien has a whole series… https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeztx1–I_i8kM4ioXbUyCoakiaWFihrZ They also talk a lot about health and diet and working… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Stuffinbox

Yes when you view game as a skill – like picking up a second language [the physical and verbal language of female seduction] – and not as an overarching ethos… life makes much more sense… and it is easier…

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Andy

So… please. Stop being so FUCKING IGNORANT and judgmental…

I assume this is projection… or you just not paying close attention?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Andy

if your product is good enough you OWE it to people to jam it down their throat

Oooookay then… this is why there is whiff of for-profit cultism in the Game Qua Game mentality…

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where do we see this mentality in action… oh yes the True Believers…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KizL_-YjxoI

I get you have the fire of the new believer and are angry about the choices you have made.. but do try to avoid exchanging one rat hole for another one…

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

@sentient Should have put a cheeky smile there at the end my post. Anyway Yareally is my only god (hero?/programmer?/puppet master?) and I will have no other programmers before him. That info is fascinating tho. First time seeing it. My point is however that you will have a hard time finding one dimensional men if youre basing it on profession. At least men worth talking about. Really scratch nearly all (these) guys and you will find a lot more “there” there… Regarding needing to get more dimensions. Platinum rule. “IF you have Wizard Level Game skills…” Where are the hard… Read more »

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

@Sentient

I have no desire to participate in your ridiculous semantics arguments. They bring ZERO value to the discussion. I don’t know what exactly you are trying to accomplish. All it looks to me is that you’re trying to feel important. Whenever you start one these side stupid ass side tangents you try and undermine YaReally or whoever while at the same time “agreeing” with his main point. It’s fucking tiresome. Please stop.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

I understand that Tyler and Julien and RSD have come into this concept lately in the last two years: Tyler quote: “Pickup is there to enhance your life, not to be your fucking life…..” (@1:40:41 second video). I’ve noted it before. No one here is against PUA (unless it is one dimensional). “They also talk a lot about health and diet and working out and spirituality and psychology. ALL of this shit is intertwined with becoming a better man… Everything in LIFE is some mixture of intent and outcome independence. ALL of this shit is applies to everything in your… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Andy

I don’t know what exactly you are trying to accomplish

Look back in two years…

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“Serious question, if Tony Robbins was a god-tier PUA would you follow him or Owen?”

Serious answer: I don’t know anything about Tony Robbins other than the infomercials. Not a fucking thing, so I can’t really answer your question. The reality is though that there is only one journey in life. Different paths. One journey. PUA is one path.

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

“No one disagrees with that as a goal, it is multidimensional. YaReally certainly doesn’t advocate for this multidimensionality (he has in fact mocked it including hobbies and dairy farming), but I sense he is coming around. He has to. It’s an imperative. Otherwise the HB8+ <25 chicks are going to drive him inane or insane."

You dont recognize when and where the context is life and when seduction.

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

Wait are these dairy farms some kind of callback humor I dont remember or what.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Careful Rollo… they hate logical contradictions… snarkfest incoming…

The First Article of Faith and all…

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

Can no one here differentiate context between life and seduction?

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Mr T “What hank is doing is hard. What scray did was hard. (I might be misreading what you mean by social connection stuff so theres that.)” You are not misreading anything.Sure this connection is hard for an incell or someone who’s social experience consists of getting their ear pulled. And Hank is on the right track as far as getting out and talking to people,at least he is learning that they can’t eat you. Although it may be better to take it slow and cut out the weird off the wall stuff at least till he figures out where… Read more »

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“If Tony Robbins, Roosh (the spiritualist version), Gorilla Mindset or Owen Cook (the spiritualist version) all go the same place then I guess mindset might be something important, right?” But only SOME of the guys your write down there are AT that place. The mindset is important, but what you can’t understand being a natural or whatever, is that you cannot attain the mindset by talking about it. You have to go through the PROCESS to get the MINDSET. So Blaximus can say “they’re just girls” a million times, and he can YELL it and he get frustrated… but it… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Andy

You have to go through the PROCESS to get the MINDSET.

And you don’t get that the process is called life… of which finding and fucking girls is just a part… it is ALL related… maybe you slept through Girls 101 – OK, we get that – reread that chapter.

But do not confuse yourself that that is the whole book…

Say it with me – Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic…. Life!

stuffinbox
4 years ago

mrt

The dairy farm jokes,the boss is lactose intolerant,are you milking this job for all it is worth?didn’t know i was hiring a dairy farmer.are we pulling teats all day?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

The process courtesy of Riley…

http://sailing-lavagabonde.com/rileys-bio/

No bootcamps mentioned…

othergrain
othergrain
4 years ago

Glad you mention mindset again after sentient brought up Jeffy. Prime example of success based on EXternals alone, with internals coming years later. He went out and tried the routines/tactics/externals and lo and behold! They worked.

But if you read his book, it’s clear that his internals were anything but healthy at the time.

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

stuffinbox

SJF said something about mocking the dairy farm so I figured theres additional context

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Can no one here differentiate context between life and seduction?” Yes. That is the exact point that this side of the aisle is trying to claim title to. You are the pot calling the kettle black. (a person who is guilty of the very thing of which they accuse another and is thus an example of Psychological projection.) “Wait are these dairy farms some kind of callback humor I dont remember or what.” Yes. Having a farm on the side is a metaphor for having any or many hobbies as a male outside seduction. It is having direction outside of… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

check ya later have an inspection to attend.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“And you don’t get that the process is called life…”

Sigh… Maybe for you. I was lied to about pretty much everything having to do with sex and women growing up. That’s where I have to reprogram myself.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Tony Robbins and Owen would follow me

othergrain
othergrain
4 years ago

“And you don’t get that the process is called life… of which finding and fucking girls is just a part…”

As far as Maslow’s Hierarchy goes, I think it’s spot on wrt sex. For most guys, a lack of sex IS their world, it’s constantly gnawing at them, and I don’t think a man can be free to do what he wants until that’s fulfilled. Commenting in the manosphere, you have to recognize you’re conversing with a lot of men in that position, it’s just the intersection were at.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“It actually does help. Look toward someone that has been successful at something and pay attention to THEIR PROCESS.”

Nope. You know, maybe that works for you because you’re happy with self delusion instead of actual truth. I don’t know. If you want the actual truth you need the process.

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

“Yes. That is the exact point that this side of the aisle is trying to claim title to.” No. From the start when people where talking process is more important that mindset, they were talking about seduction. Rollo in his latest comment is talking in the context of life and implying guys that said mindset in ancilliary to process are talking about life, where in fact they were talking about seduction. When he stopped posting in that thread I thought he understood guys were talking about seduction but evidently not. Wonder if his thought on attraction/arousal are still the same… Read more »

Platinum Patriarch
Platinum Patriarch
4 years ago

fuckin a you guys… @all thanks for all the info and insight. maybe I’m starting to slow down but I’m finding it harder and harder to give a shit about trolling for strange. I’m having a better time hangin with my bros than chatting up these dummies to get in their pants. made the realization that all game is social circle game at the core. w cold approach you’re just bringing them into your world really fast. all my friends and current / former lovers were strangers to me at some point. I’ll just keep being a social butterfly and… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

Not sure there is a difference between life and seduction. My salesmen seduce people into the cars on the lot Marketing seduces people into the bar; the bar staff seduces the patrons to return I seduced a larger company to allow my trucks to tuck up underneath them Seduced troopers to tryout for my platoon I was seduced into trying out for various outfits Etc etc etc Hell I bet Rollo seduces the shit out of folks on the liquor branding stuff Talking bitches out of their panties ain’t much different You are either gaming the world around you or… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

@SJF “Yes. Having a farm on the side is a metaphor for having any or many hobbies as a male outside seduction.” I do have a farm on the side… as well as a life and kids. Cut the young (and not so young) guys some slack. I thought everybody knew what young boys/men are like. Heck, I still remember myself. Young men can be fixated on one idea/concept/activity for years with little regard to anything else. This is what defines young men – the passion that can overtake us to the exclusion to much anything else. For me. it… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

The so called “natural” wasn’t born with a full set of social skills. He had to learn them all, one painful step at a time, just like everyone else. “Having a farm on the side is a metaphor for having any or many hobbies as a male outside seduction.” And boys who grow up on dairy farms, without a shopping mall within 50 miles, or a neighbor within a mile, have friends, hobbies and . . . get laid. If you think your problem is your location, you’re wrong. It’s you. And the sooner you deal with that the faster… Read more »

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

“You’ll have to pardon my incredulousness then when I’m seeing Owen hashtag Tony Robbins in his most recent ‘power of positive thinking’ video.”

What are you incredulous about? I don’t get it.

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

Ya you could say most guys doing pickup do something for a living and do their dairyfarming (talking to chicks) when they have time.

SFC Ton
4 years ago

lol that’s why I laugh off the “your a natural” claim

Naturally driven, high energy, athletic etc sure. Everything else was learned the hard way and with countless hours of effort. Fortunately what I am drawn too pays dividends in the SMP but it all took work and failing way more often than not

Now at 46 i’m coasting on some things; busting my ass to be that old dog learning new tricks

MrT
MrT
4 years ago

@kfg “The so called “natural” wasn’t born with a full set of social skills. He had to learn them all, one painful step at a time, just like everyone else.” Yup they just learned it before it could have stunted their growth. Some guys dont learn it for whatever reason and dont even know they can learn it. And you could say that adults are more sensitive to social pain. “And boys who grow up on dairy farms, without a shopping mall within 50 miles, or a neighbor within a mile, have friends, hobbies and . . . get laid.”… Read more »

SFC Ton
4 years ago

I would say the non natrual fail to learn it because they get discouraged more quickly. Whatever the topic they didn’t learn. Sometimes that’s smart pool because we all have demands on our time. Sometimes it’s not because of the long term impact of failing to learn the basics of a certain topic

scray
scray
4 years ago

@sentient So your mindset isn’t different from your first post? i wasn’t arguing that mindset doesn’t matter or doesn’t help. deja vu? I believe the first and most important mindset to develop is a positive view of social interactions. Rather than a zero sum competition, it’s an initiation to see if you can fit in to a particular group. So it’s nothing personal, i.e. what I meant by “meaningless.” @SJF What exactly is wrong with our over-arching worldview? A lot of the time, the information just is not actionable. It’s like concepts are spit out that themselves are vague, and… Read more »

newlyaloof
4 years ago

@Rollo, for the last few months, RSD videos haven’t been guilty of KILLING this comment section. I’ve benefited greatly by many commenters here, and I sincerely thank them for that, but I’ll second what Platinum P said about this place becoming a fucking shitshow of snark and one-upmanship. Some will say it’s just dudes being dudes like in a locker room, but I’d humbly say this place has become more like a femcentric HR department these past few months where people must win the argument at all costs. Come on fellas!

SFC Ton
4 years ago

I would say less then the strong survive; it’s more like those who adapt to the tactically reality on the ground survive.

Just so happens the powerful, wealthy, strong etc have to adapt less given the advantages in wealth, power and what not

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Anyway….the hotter the pussy you’re chasing, the more personal development you need…..
Bad boy cred says otherwise

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