Changing Your Programming
I mentioned in the first book that I am not a motivational speaker.
I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be their own self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not a Rollo Tomassi success story, but their own success stories.
That said, let me also add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will and determination. God willing, they can be masters of those circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.
With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions in which he operates and maneuvers.
You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s Hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.
You can unplug.
You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.
These are the last words from The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine. I wrote something similar in the first book too, but I’m quoting them here because they are just as important now as they were when I was writing them then. I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in creating a cult of Rollo. I’m not interested in creating better men, I’m interested in those men making themselves better men.
Descriptions and Prescriptions
You’ll have to forgive me, I wrote this part about a year ago, but I think it’s still relevant now. In part 4 of Preventative Medicine a commenter (who, for the record is not an InCel by any stretch) asked me why I had no real prescriptive plan for men to follow with regards to ‘preventing’ or avoiding the bad decisions associated with the time line I laid out in that series. This was my response:
Imagine for a moment I had the temerity to presume that I know exactly what a 60 year old reader experiences in his personal life with a post-menopausal wife. I could take a good stab at it, but anything specific I could prescribe for him would be based on my best-guess speculations and according to how I’ve observed and detailed things in this series or any of my past posts.
From my earliest posts at SoSuave (in 2004) I’ve had men ask me for some ‘medicine’ for their condition; some personalized plan that will work for them. This sentiment is exactly what makes PUA and manosphere ‘self-help’ speakers sell DVDs and seats at seminars. They claim to have the cure. I say that’s bullshit.
I’m not in the business of cures, I’m in the business of diagnoses. Imagine a PUA guru attempting to force fit their plans to accommodate that 60 year old man’s situation. Athol Kay makes attempts to remedy married men’s (non) sex lives, but what’s his real success rate? Is it even measurable? Even Athol recognizes that his MMSL outline is just a map, a diagnosis, that men have to modify for themselves per their individual experience and demographic. You see, your cure, your plan of action isn’t what another man’s will be, or your future son’s, or anyone else reading my work. I can give you a map, but you still have to make your own trail. I’m not a savior, you are your savior
Short version: I’m not interested in making men be better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better Men.
What’s more legitimate, my prescribing some course or template to follow that leads a man to a success that ultimately I define for a reader, or my laying out an accurate landscape for his better understanding and he creates his own success with it?
Are you your success or my success? I’d rather a Man be his own.
Most men already suspect they know what the keys are, and most even know how to use them, but what they really want is confirmation that they actually have the keys.
My approach to Game is defined in much broader terms than simply ‘how to get girls’, and I think for the better part of the manosphere the understanding of Game has evolved beyond rote memorization of scripts and plans. It’s gotten to a stage where even the most enthusiastic proponents of PUA techniques acknowledge a need for an individualized approach to relating and interacting with women based on a broader applied understanding of feminine psychology, sociology and the particular conditions that apply to themselves as well as the women they’re interacting with.
It’s been noted before, my approach to Game / Red Pill awareness is descriptive, not prescriptive.
I’m humbled by the men who email me and let me know how something I’ve written or shined a light on for them has saved them from suicide or some particular hell they would’ve endured longer in. For the most part though I get email and comments from men who tell me that they have built better lives for themselves because a Red Pill awareness made their situations more intelligible. I don’t sell a program or a prescription because each man’s circumstance is different, his acculturation is different, his ethnicity, society, upbringing, body composition and mental faculties are all different.
But we are all men. If the Red Pill is anything it’s a consortium of men who relate their individual experiences about women, about themselves and about their circumstances in what’s now become a feminine-primary social order. As I’ve stated in the past, I’m humbled and flattered to be considered one of the pillars of Red Pill awareness, but most of what I write is the result of piecing together the related experiences of other men.
I didn’t create the Red Pill, I just describe that awareness in terms I think are intelligible. I connect dots, but much of those dots are presented to me by a collective of men who’ve had common experiences. If those dots don’t follow, if those dots would be better connected in another way, I expect the Men who make up Red Pill awareness to offer their new ideas in an open exchange, in a marketplace of ideas.
Sometimes that marketplace gets weighed down with disingenuous critics, trolls and attention seekers, but this is the price, I believe, is necessary to distill and test the strength of those ideas. Only in a crucible of open debate where all are encouraged to participate can those ideas be sussed out.
Men with questions don’t frighten me; men with no questions do.
Law 18: Do Not Build Fortresses to Protect Yourself— Isolation is Dangerous
The world is dangerous and enemies are everywhere— everyone has to protect themselves. A fortress seems the safest. But isolation exposes you to more dangers than it protects you from-it cuts you off from valuable information, it makes you conspicuous and an easy target. Better to circulate among people, find allies, mingle. You are shielded from your enemies by the crowd.
From Nursing Power:
A handful of my male readers often ask why I don’t moderate comments, or that the message of Rational Male would be better served if I banned certain commenters. I’ve mentioned on several posts and threads as to why I won’t ever do that (except for blatant spamming), but in a nutshell it’s my fundamental belief that the validity of any premise or idea should be able to withstand public debate. People who aren’t confident of the strength of their assertions or ideas, or are more concerned with profiting from the branding of those weak assertions than they are in truth, are the first to cry about the harshness of their critics and kill all dissent as well as all discourse about those assertions.
That’s the primary reason I’ve never moderated; if people think I’m full of shit I’m all ears – I’m not so arrogant as to think I’ve thought of every angle about any idea I express here or on any other forum. However, the second reason I don’t censor, ban users or delete comments is that I believe it’s useful to have critics (usually women or fem-men) provide the gallery with examples of exactly the mentality or dynamic I’m describing in an essay. With a fair amount of predictability, a blue pill male or an upset woman will just as often prove my point for me and serve as a model for what I’ve described.
I never intentionally try to make rubes out of the critics I know will chime in about something, but I will sometimes leave out certain considerations I may have already thought about something, knowing it will get picked up on by a critic. I do this on occasion because the I know that the “ah hah! I got him, he forgot about X,Y, Z” moment serves as a better teaching tool and confirms for me that a critic does in fact comprehend what I’m going on about.
Last week Roosh came out against the various tribes of Game such as it is. While I understand his intent I must disagree with his methods. A couple of weeks ago I got into a bit of political discourse with regard to how the Feminine Imperative and how Hypergamy influences social dynamics. That post generated a lot of conversation, but from it I made this statement:
It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.
Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.
As most of my readers know I have a great deal of respect for Roosh and I still do. Nothng is going to change that. I think time will tell what direction his push for Neomasculine philosophy truly goes in. As far as what he’s describing in that “new” doctrine there’s not much I disagree with. I’ll take issue with his anti-evolution, anti-evo psych stance. I’ll take issue with his want for some as yet undefined moralism; and not because I don’t think morality or reverence to a higher power shouldn’t be part of it, but rather because it pollutes and distorts open discourse.
I’m not an atheist, anyone who’s read my commentary on Dalrock’s site knows this. That said I don’t think there is a substitute for critical inquiry, and when that is stifled, that’s when we lean over into dogma.
From Moral to the Manosphere:
Putting angel’s or devil’s wings on observations hinders real understanding.
I say that not because I don’t think morality is important in the human experience, but because our interpretations of morality and justice are substantially influenced by the animalistic sides of our natures, and often more than we’re willing to admit to ourselves. Disassociating one’s self from an emotional reaction is difficult enough, but adding layers of moralism to an issue only convolutes a better grasp of breaking it down into its constituent parts. That said, I also understand that emotion and, by degree, a sense of moralism is also characteristic of the human experience, so there needs to be an accounting of this into interpretations of issues that are as complex as the ones debated in the manosphere.
Although I’m aware that observing a process will change it, it’s my practice not to draw moralistic conclusions in any analysis I make because it adds bias where none is necessary. The problem is that what I (and others in the manosphere) propose is so raw it offends ego-invested sensibilities in people. Offense is really not my intent, but often enough it’s the expected result of dissecting cherished beliefs that seem to contribute to the well being of an individual.
There was a time I sat in a behavioral psychology class back in college. Behaviorism appealed to me because it was very nuts & bolts, not at all like the touchy-feely humanist schools of psychology. Behavior is the only reliable proof of motive. It was cause and effect, modify variables, and watch for behavior.
At one point I began to see that women are masters of operant conditioning – they had the natural reward 99% of men want, sex. Men’s behavior could be modified just by the prospect of sex, and they could also be influenced by negative reinforcement and punishment. It was one thing to make these observation, but quite another to express them in the classroom. Many of the more intelligent minds I dealt with then would adamantly refuse to recognize the truths that operant conditioning played. After I thought about it I understood that they were likewise motivated to deny what I thought was right in front of their faces.
I had connected some uncomfortable dots; dots that had the potential of making a man less desirable for having connected them. This was really the beginning of many more uncomfortable connections I would make later.
Roosh has tried to make a case that the Red Pill community (subred) has now reached critical mass. He sees it as inbred; a community of complainers – and in some instances I can understand that. Debate can often sound like complaining. However, what I get from Roosh now is a need for answers, it seems to me he’s looking for a plan of action. He wants something prescriptive for himself and other men to follow on with. I get it.
He’s still included Red Pill truths as being an important part of his new doctrine and I’d respect him for that, if not for the wholesale disownment of the consortium that’s been the testbed for those truths for so long. As I stated above, I think Neomasculinity may have some merit, I don’t disagree with about 90% of the manifesto Roosh went to great effort to put together. What I disagree with is how he’s initiated all of this. He does no favors to himself with casual dismissals of principles he knows are deeper than he wants to give credit to – in fact most are principles he influenced personally.
As for my part, I’m going to keep doing what I do and that’s making men aware of the world that’s been pulled over their eyes. I will likely have some strong disagreement with Roosh in the future, but as I’m fond of saying unplugging men from the matrix is dirty work. We’re both in the same family, and sometimes brothers will fight, and that’s OK.
I disagree with him that the Red Pill will cease to go on. It may be called something else, but it’s been around before he or I started writing about it. The “Red Pill”, like many other terms, is an abstraction; a place holder for an idea. Don’t like the Matrix movie references? Fine, but the truth is the truth and freely expressed ideas need words to describe them.
Maybe Neomasculinity is the prescription you need, but from what I can gather so far it’s a movement based on exclusion; not inclusion, not on a free exchange of ideas. Maybe the christianized Red Pill of Donalgraeme or Dalrock is a better prescription for you. Maybe you need the inspiration of a guy like Victor Pride and a better outlook on your physique.
Or maybe all you need is a truth and an awareness to help you lift yourself up. Yes, Red Pill awareness can be very depressing in the beginning, I’ve written several posts and book chapters dedicated to helping men come to terms with that, but ultimately it will be that awareness that becomes the catalyst for changing his life.
The Red Pill isn’t one size fits all, you have to tailor your own life with what it shows you.
@M Simon BTW I was not arguing for backing crypto with gold or silver. I was arguing for backing it with production. As Sun said, labor/time is the ultimate currency, which is one reason why slavery is so attractive to anyone with power. However, the whitepaper provides this mechanism. Mining is difficult. It takes significant labor to run a BTC mining operation, even if the energy production is automated it takes effort. There’s security that must be enacted, fair division of fees/new BTC on a block solution if you’re running a pool, etc..etc.. There’s also significant risk, because the technology… Read more »
Charlotte Allen
June 1st, 2015 at 6:05 pm
@Jeremy
So many people on this thread don’t give a damn what I think–and keep saying so.
Consider yourself lucky. They could just ignore you totally.
Jeremy June 1st, 2015 at 7:05 pm So ask yourself. What gives a dollar its value? What makes it acceptable? Now you have an upstart. How do you convince people of the value? My friend and I think backing the bits with productive assets or the promise of productive assets in the case of a start up will help get it more widely accepted. Is he right? Am I right? Well we are going to try it and find out. And backing bits with productive assets is way more straight forward than mining bits. Easier to understand. Easier to deal… Read more »
“Ordinary people can see the value behind the coins.”
You are a productive person surrounded by productive people. Most people these days aren’t and haven’t produced squat since they finger painted in kindergarten.
I think you’ll find that people understand a lump of stuff better.
@ M. Simon
What sets gold apart is that is indestructable, infinelty (seemingly) fungible, and can’t currently be reproduced.
How do you use a consumable as a store of value? How do you use potential production as a store of value?
kfg June 1st, 2015 at 6:51 pm ” I was arguing for backing it with production.” Production is backed by resources. And that is pretty good backing don’t you think? It was the original idea of money. At least in the abstract. The value of money is in the end the ratio of the amount of resources divided by the amount of money. There is nothing else. And of course in reality it is all about what people want. Value is not a fixed proposition. A few pounds of wood that will float is worth more to a drowning man… Read more »
Badpainter
June 1st, 2015 at 7:30 pm
How is stock in Intel a store of value?
“And that is pretty good backing don’t you think? ”
Yes, I do.
“A few pounds of wood that will float is worth more to a drowning man than a ton of gold bars.”
Some years ago my mother asked me if there was a situation in which the value of gold could be reduced to zero.
I responded, “Sure, the second the food runs out.”
@Vulpine. Hope you didn’t think I was snarking at you. I truly think your post @1:59 (first chapter) was brilliant. What you said is rarely said here and it is an important point. And it is right on point with the original essay.
Rollo says “Short version: I’m not interested in making men be better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better Men.”
Out of respect, I’m complementing your writing. Thank you for taking the time to share that. Out of all the wasted comments now totaling near 1140, yours was tops.
New post incoming by Wednesday, maybe tomorrow. Mom’s doing better now.
“How is stock in Intel a store of value?”
Risky, like assuming GM stock was the equivalent of gold.
I should have bookmarked the article, but I read that if gold is measured/traded by weight, then an oz. of gold today is worth about the same in purchasing power as an oz of gold in 1900. The nominal price has changed but the valuation in actual goods is remarkably consistent when fiat money is uncoupled from the realities of supply and demand.
Rollo walks into the arena, looks down into pit where dozens of people are hacking at each other with bloody gusto, ichor flying here and there, screams of rage and fury coupled with those of pain. He leans over the railing, cupping his hands to his mouth. New post incoming by Wednesday, maybe tomorrow! Everyone stops, looks up, weapons and armor dripping blood… “Cool.” “Awesome.” “Can’t wait.” “How’s your mom?” Rollo give a thumbs up. “Great.” Rollo turns around, walks up the stairs. The chaos roars back to life behind him, several thin spurts of crimson squirting up, soon joined… Read more »
That’s funny.
” . . .an oz. of gold today is worth about the same in purchasing power as an oz of gold in 1900. ”
You can take that back to the value of gold and silver in the Bible.
Like M. Simon and a few others here, I remember when American money was still silver. We didn’t read it in an article, we remember.
And you, my friend, are retarded.
“We didn’t read it in an article, we remember.”
A sort of grief I don’t suffer. You have my sympathy however.
And I miss read M.Simon’s Intel Question
The only true stored value of Intel is in the bonds. The liquidation of all company assets is where the true stored value is, everything else is a commodity.
@Seraph
For some reason I find myself thinking of The Life of Brian
Rollo Tomassi June 1st, 2015 at 7:44 pm Excellent. ================ Badpainter June 1st, 2015 at 7:51 pm The answer to your question GM or Intel? Diversify your money supply. And yes I have read that an oz of gold will still buy as much food as it used to in 1900. But you can get much more computing power and electricity for it than you could in 1900. Assume you could buy a multiplication of two four digit numbers for a penny in 1900 (might have been a tenth of a cent). What is an hour of computing time worth?… Read more »
@M Simon So ask yourself. What gives a dollar its value? What makes it acceptable? Before WW1, Gold was the international standard of currency, the dollar was just another currency tied to precious metals by free-market demand. War is expensive, so like every nation since the dawn of time, they had to debase their currencies in order to win WW1. France, Germany, England, etc. They piled up debt, outright printed fiat, and did whatever was necessary financially to get the upper hand. After WW1, people wanted to return to the system they had before, but there was a problem. Now… Read more »
@Sun Wukong,
Absolutely awesome flick I did not fully appreciate at the time. Freakin’ dialogue in it is more timely than ever.
Was anyone better than Monty Python at combining low-brow and hi-brow humor, particularly in the same scene?
“For some reason I find myself thinking of The Life of Brian”
I knew I could depend on you for entertainment Sun Wukong.
Some of us might be enigmatic, mysterious, unreadable, inexplicable, unexplainable, incomprehensible, impenetrable, unfathomable and unknowable.
But you and I can laugh at ourselves.
I’m not too proud of using so much idle time reading all the way through 1,200 comments. But the Bitcoin discussion intermingled with the masterful roasting of the trolls has been quite entertaining. Well worth the time spent.
M. Simon – “So what are we doing with all that fabulous wealth? Figuring out how pussy works. LOL.”
Some things never change.
Otherwise I either agree or lack the imagination to trust that money not backed by precious metals can be backed as rigidly in anything else. I do like the Bitcoin model as it outside the control of central bankers, much like the inherent value of gold. It’s honest.
Jeremy June 1st, 2015 at 8:25 pm Our elites are better because for the most part they have given up mass murder as a general tool of policy. At least somewhat. They have mostly substituted mass incarceration. Kinder and gentler. And it causes less opposition. Americans are armed and dangerous. That helps. Now what kept the old elites in power? A sense of noblesse oblige. They used to work to lower the cost of electricity and food and other stuff as an obligation to the serfs. That is now missing from our overlords. And it shows. Now it is “The… Read more »
@insanitybytes22 “Much of the manosphere is actually not angry, not to the point where they get off on taking rage based pot shots at any woman they encounter. Many men in the manosphere are actually kind and rational….” Kind and rational?……Hmmmm…. Is rationality always kind? Must rational thoughts and actions produce “kind” results in order to be rational by definition? If so, then upon whom must the “kindness” be bestowed? Insanity is conflating kindness with rationality because she wants to imply that any man who doesn’t comply with FI standards is “unkind” or socially unfit. She is prejudging actions out… Read more »
“But you and I can laugh at ourselves.”
I challenge Glenn to laugh and not rage at me for this video. I also challenge him to not think I’m an asshole and feminine for getting him to watch this. It’s satire.
Yes, the general love of the 2nd Amendment in the U.S., by both those on the left and the right (only the mostly extreme lefties want all guns abolished, polls consistently show), and the all-volunteer military service means the U.S. might have a bloody time ahead, but likely won’t turn into full-on tyranny. Our military forces do have better guns, but they also *live* in the same places they would be asked to pacify. It’s one thing to ask a soldier to attack an enemy, it’s quite another when that enemy is a neighbor who is shooting back at you.… Read more »
Rollo – “This is what I think angers women here; that men would openly discuss how women “are” and come to ideas to better enable their strategies above that of women’s. In a sense it’s men having the audacity to thwart their total control of their Hypergamy. When it comes to sexual selection, most women have finely tuned filters, or at least most would like to think so. It’s a function that stems from a brain wired for communication – being able to divine intent from subcommunications is an evolved species survival adaptation in women. So when men ‘collude’ to… Read more »
@Jeremy Trying to get a law like that for any kind of communication or encryption system would be tantamount to trying to get rocket launchers legalized when all guns have already been banned. I say that because of this hummdinger of a law already in place that REQUIRES a law enforcement back door for any telecom system being sold in the US. You’d have to reverse that AND get your second-amendment-like law in place against a tide of “For your own protection” reasoning for invading your privacy. Of course, if phrased properly your argument might just win the public over:… Read more »
” . . . they also *live* in the same places they would be asked to pacify . . .”
That can be taken care of by taking in and employing Huns and Goths as mercenaries while keeping the regulars involved in foreign wars.
@Badpainter “is being free of, temporarily, the need to perform for women. ” That’s reminds me of an experience I had swimming where I got up for air then got pushed back down again. “I will not entertain the taming of shrews” nor will I “No more tolerance for sad personal stories that never seem to result in different decisions.” Priceless “I do like the Bitcoin model as it outside the control of central bankers, much like the inherent value of gold. It’s honest.” It’s why I think it’s needed @lh “The goal as Rollo repeats over and over is… Read more »
“Learning about food in your backyard is priceless. ”
Absent any outside source, your yard will need to generate 20-40 lbs. of produce, per person, per day, year round. You might want to think about processing it through rabbits and guinea pigs. You’ll need to be at full production before the crisis hits, and you will need to be able to defend it.
@ kfg
Your focus on farming may be misplaced.
Most people I see are 50 to 100 pounds overweight.
Each pound = 3500 calories of stored energy.
50 Pounds x 3500 calories = 175,000 calories.
175,000 calories / 2,000 calories consumed per day = 87.5 days of stored energy. Just add water.
That’s plenty of time until your new, charismatic overlord is ushered in. Following an illogical, charismatic leader is an appealing concept to most people because they think emotionally, not critically. Its in the DNA.
#allaroundyou
#closerthanyouthink
😎
“That’s plenty of time until your new, charismatic overlord is ushered in” Don’t worry, I plan to charm my way to the top quickly when the crisis and/or zombie apocalypse arrive. You’ll only need to survive on your own for a few weeks before I recruit you as militia in exchange for sanctuary within my city walls. “Following an illogical, charismatic leader is an appealing concept to most people because they think emotionally, not critically. Its in the DNA.” Why do you think I’m learning all this game stuff for? Surely you didn’t think it was just about getting poon.… Read more »
@ YaReally
Don’t worry, I plan to charm my way to the top quickly when the crisis and/or zombie apocalypse arrive. You’ll only need to survive on your own for a few weeks before I recruit you as militia in exchange for sanctuary within my city walls.
Your plan may prove to be highly successful. God speed.
My families plan is centered around a barren but promising landscape, far, far away.
“Your focus on farming may be misplaced.” My focus was not on farming. My focus was on the reality of subsistence farming, particularly when surrounded by hungry people who aren’t doing it, approaching the matter critically rather than emotionally. I’ve bumped into a lot of people these days who think they are food secure, because they can bring in a basket of tomatoes and a couple of zucchini, in August. “Most people I see are 50 to 100 pounds overweight.” Lotta good eatin’ on a pig like that. ” Following an illogical, charismatic leader is an appealing concept to most… Read more »
@ kfg
I’ll put down a couple of bucks against you making it unless you start pretty close to now.
I think you’re correct. For me the ball started rolling towards the pins back in 2010.
I was at my parents house and my family was arguing about politics and the economy. That night it hit me. “It’s over. Get your wife and kids to a safe zip code.” The next morning my heart was racing. That feeling continues to periodically return.
Gold is pure traditional financial masculinity, bit coins are neomasculinity.
Guess what is going to be really useful.
Its not for nothing that China and Russia is hoarding gold and Germany asked its gold back. Netherlands withdrew it gold.
Both Fed reserv and Bank of London are in tight spots because of it.
I hope the Brits survive the effects of Browns bottom.
Yes, so?? Who said the world was fair and equal? Male anger is scary and female anger is transformative. That’s because women tend to internalize, while men externalize. Social conditioning, biology, etc. Women are actually far more dangerous when they don’t appear angry at all. Okay…so…the point here is that men are scary and dangerous when they express their anger, while women are scary and dangerous when expressing every other emotion OTHER than anger. Hmmmm. So…the safest course of action would be to continually engage in behavior which makes women in your proximity visibly angry, so as to ensure the… Read more »
Violence envy!
Vas deferens envy!
Wait, that would be VD-envy. Damn!
If she’s got a Luis & Clark I have violin envy.
Wait… I can’t tell if this is anti-feminist troll or not. Poe’s Law strikes again.
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Apropos Changing Programming
“I think you’ll find that people understand a lump of stuff better.”
“What sets gold apart is that is indestructable, infinelty (seemingly) fungible, and can’t currently be reproduced.”
I agree.
A lump of gold doesn’t end up in the bit bucket accidentally or if the power fails. It doesn’t get hacked.
Sure the lump of gold might get lost or stolen and there may be theoretical advantages to crypto currency but computers are Murphy Attractors.
The real world is analog. I think M Simon has been doing too much digital design lately.
Debt is an accounting transaction. Declaring Jubilee tomorrow doesn’t impact the physical capital stock of the country in any way. Unfunded government liabilities just means the government made too many promises and is going to fuck someone over. It doesn’t mean the economy will collapse. Exactly right. Power plants, and toll roads, and buildings don’t evaporate or disintegrate because debt liabilities don’t get paid. Financial liabilities are simply abstract numbers on a sheet of paper. They may represent claims on physical assets or future production, but ultimately many of those claims will be extinguished with the physical infrastructure and productivity… Read more »
The Rational Male. Saving people’s lives every GODDAMN day! ” I used to be angry @ IV drip sex. Now that’s not a problem” thanks to the commentators here. Glenn would be happy to know that I got angry at my wife last night and that somehow provoked her into initiating with me a record breaking 4 days after the start of her cycle. She asked me what I was doing in the library. Me: “I’m watching Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”, you know that nerdy movie that all my nerdy friends talked about when I graduated from high school… Read more »
Glenn, et al., Just a word of note, this site and the comments section has attracted the attention of some histrionic, obsessed stalkers. I’d be careful of what you say in comments. I do believe we have entered a phase where discretion is the better part of valor. As we can see from Charlotte and insanity, the interlopers are here chastising Rollo. Why? The irrelevant are ignored. Educating men on these matters is scary to many as it is essentially subversive to the societally correct script. Rollo, maybe consider setting up a private forum as well. I’m really not sure… Read more »
https://twitter.com/pennjillette/status/24584850514116608
TRM, the forum HUSsies turn to when they tire of their own voices. Giggles is a fraud, and when you participate there, you’re a fraud too.
Oh and droid, next time you want to run your motherhood schtick try it here first fraud.
@YaReally – Thanks, fucking thanks. I was wondering if guys here would get it. You summed me up to a tee here. But I’m more trying to make it so uncomfortable for them than to serve any need I have to lash out at them. Frankly it’s boring at this point. I didn’t even read their comments in response, I just zipped to the last page. If I’ve missed other responses, I’m sorry guys, I’m busy and getting through all these comments is impossible for me – I’m sure many of you have the same problem. But I am also… Read more »
@Glenn
Mmm, I’m bored, too. And my attention is now riveted by the Caitlyn Jenner story.
“Just a word of note, this site and the comments section has attracted the attention of some histrionic, obsessed stalkers. I’d be careful of what you say in comments. I do believe we have entered a phase where discretion is the better part of valor. As we can see from Charlotte and insanity, the interlopers are here chastising Rollo.” Hey! I have no desire to chatise Tomassi. I was simply trying to understand something and I disagree with him on a couple of points. The fact that so many of you fragile egos are so paranoid, defensive, and prone to… Read more »
The fact that so many of you fragile egos are so paranoid, defensive, and prone to rage based tantrums,
You forgot small penis and basement dweller. Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll do better next time.
@Morpheus
Where’s my rage supposed to be? More projection, I think.
“I have never spoken to women in the way I commented at these two in my life.”
Well thank you Glenn, that is somewhat reassuring. Glad to have been of service, then. Just call me girl-pinata. Also, you behaved like a complete asshole and I don’t appreciate it, but whatever.
@M. Simon and LH – A quick comment about crypto-currency. It’s a good model, but it’s still fiat money. There is no getting around that. The question is whether it can function as money? How well does it do what we want money to do? Store of value – It fluctuates wildly. It’s also taxed as an asset so any gains in exchange are taxed. Means of exchange – Quite limited, but liquidity to convert back to dollars mitigates this. Unit of Account – Volatility again makes it a poor unit of account. It would be akin to doing accounting… Read more »
“@Seraph
Ha ha! My husband WAS a frat guy. At Yale.”
Oh no not MYG again……
@Morpheus – Roger that.
@Glenn
How is it still Fiat money? Fiat means, by definition, existing by a degree from some leader. Crypto does not exist by fiat, nor can it simply be printed into existence by fiat. So how is it still fiat money?
Jeremy – “So how is it still fiat money?” Fiat money, properly designed, has all the legitimacy of gold but only so long as one can trust the humans behind it. Bitcoin, and any other crypto-currency, has an achilies heal compared to gold. It can be hacked because it is created by humans. The humans can cheat. While all manner of shenanigans can be played with the precious metals markets (gold bonds anyone?) gold itself cannot be hacked it will always be gold no matter what is done or said about it. Now when the alchemists figure out how to… Read more »
“…my attention is now riveted by the Caitlyn Jenner story.”
Quelle surprise
@Badpainter
Yah, I’m going to be on some radio shows today.
@Badpainter It can be hacked because it is created by humans. How can it be hacked? The software that would allow for someone to create bitcoins from thin air exists on a p2p distributed-processing network of bitcoin miners. You would have to literally change the software on greater than 50% of the CPU/GPU’s in the network in order to hack the blockchain, and you’d have to do it in a time span of <10 minutes (the time it takes to audit the next block). Even if you accomplished this, every other miner would be able to see that your block… Read more »
The very fact that so many of you are completely clueless is what is “scary to many.”
Wait, I thought it was the fact so many of us were angry was scary?
Mmm, I’m bored, too. And my attention is now riveted by the Caitlyn Jenner story.
Shocking.
Story of a man ‘turning into’ a women.
You nicely cap-stoned things for yourself on this thread. Well done.
Yah, I’m going to be on some radio shows today.
Really? Which ones? What time?
@Seraph
WGSO (where’s that?) at 11 a.m. EDT
Bill Cunningham (national) at 2:05 p.m. EDT
Hah, Penn’s such a great mind. I’d love to know the guy.
Jeremy – “How can it be hacked?”
I have no idea. But so far in human history nothing has been created by man that can’t be broken, reverse engineered, hacked, decrypted, etc. What is safe today is not guaranteed safe tomorrow.
Now I should be clear I am not opposed to the idea, or the reality of bitcoin. I wish I’d got into it when I first heard about it. I believe the risk of hacking is very low. But like mentioned above that threat comes from people with the means and motivation to do it: governments.
Unfortunately for the governments that might want to hack the blockchain, Bitcoin’s processing power now exceeds the combined total of the top 500 known supercomputers in existence combined. http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2013/11/28/global-bitcoin-computing-power-now-256-times-faster-than-top-500-supercomputers-combined/ Again, sure, if they wanted to, they could simply print a bunch of their own fiat, buy a bunch of the mining rigs used, and attempt it. Honestly, though, that’s entirely inefficient. The government would do it much quicker by simply telling all financial institutions that any fiat-to-btc transaction is now considered criminal, or even simpler by shorting BTC en masse (the total market cap of BTC is ~ $3.5 Billion,… Read more »
I was watching Gone Girl last night (now on Netflix) and thinking this doesn’t follow TRP and then, oh
“He actually expected me to love him unconditionally”
Novel/screenplay by a woman, Gillian Flynn. A former TV critic, her bio ends “In reality she is possibly playing Ms. Pac-Man in her basement lair.” mancaves and womanlairs
@ Jeremy
The easiest way would be to say the bitcoin accounts are tools of terrorists and drug dealers and the property of those who hold bitcoin are subject to civil forfeiture in the name of the public good. After all one wouldn’t want to inconvenience the banks.
@BP
Right, much more efficient ways of damaging bitcoin with force for the government. Hacking it is basically impossible with current technology. The only potential threat is quantum computing, but that’s only a threat so long as true quantum computing does not reside in the hands of the masses (which is a condition that may exist for a time).
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses
The bitcoin developers and community are fortunately aware of pretty much all possible failure modes and can take steps to mitigate many of them.
I’d say the biggest barrier to actually using BTC as currency are what Glenn noted: the volatility makes it an absolute bitch to use. It’s more of a hedge similar to gold for the moment.
WGSO (where’s that?) at 11 a.m. EDT
Bill Cunningham (national) at 2:05 p.m. EDT
You going to give a shout out to all your friends here?
@ Seraph
Not a bad idea! But I’ll probably have to stay on topic.
@’Charlotte’,
Was that WGSO New Orleans?
I have them up right now. Haven’t heard you announced yet.
What’s the topic today for you?
@Seraph
They’re behind schedule–just called to say I’ll be on sometime after 11:15 EDT. The topic will presumably be this:
http://www.iwf.org/blog/2797313/-Caitlyn-Jenner-Fights-the-Stigma-of…Belonging-to-the-GOP
@redlight
June 2nd, 2015 at 10:36 am
Gone Girl’s literary device was that the girl was emotionally and intellectually a masculine malein woman’s clothing. No woman could have emotionally or intellectually done and thought what the protagonist did there.
It was a literary trick, along with the first half being an unreliable narrator, to have the plot contain intrigue.
@Sun
Well, I’d say a combination of buying a lottery ticket and hedge, if those things can possibly be combined. Usability is getting better. What’s lacking is open-source wallets with good interfaces for wallet transfer, cold storage and multisig. It seems like a simple problem, so either I don’t fully understand the problem or there just aren’t enough people coding such things.
@’Charlotte’,
Oh, I don’t think they would mind a little shout out to TRM!
C’mon!
In the context of “changing your programming”, this whole discussion of how the bitcoin should replace the dollar is deeply unsettling. The IT tech-dork crowd is so far removed from real-time that making a hard-copy fiat currency into an electricity-based “cloud” fiat currency is a good idea to them? Time to address your programming, because, you are likely the sort who strives to spend $500k (like the other 90% of population) for a big box of crap sitting on a quarter acre next to hundreds of equally stupid people, equally unhappy striving to obtain a quarter acre covered with trash… Read more »
Glenn June 2nd, 2015 at 8:40 am Stocks and bonds are in essence paper money. Backed by capital assets (bonds) and corporate profitability (stocks). To hasten the advent of BitCoin and such like I am of the opinion that coins backed by productive assets is the way to go. The trouble with stocks and bonds is their high transaction costs and the inability to easily do fractional transactions – 100 share lots are the usual. I think electronic currency can get around those problems. BTW the value of gold is in some sense fixed by the difficulty of obtaining some.… Read more »
Well BitCoin is now political –> Rand Paul accepting bitcoins for 2016 bid
An attack on Bitcoin is now an attack on the political process. Things just got a bit more difficult for government.
@sjfrellc good insight, but some BPD women I know would literally have no troubles doing the same paging motherfucker @droid, your comments are needed here: http://illimitablemen.com/2015/06/01/the-hierarchy-of-love/ “I am shocked by the sheer number of men I have spoken to who have had mothers that never really loved them (ergo, my mother was very loving,) but I can’t say knowing what I know now that I am surprised. Men who had mothers that never endowed them with the maternal bond find it easier to swallow the red pill and understand female behaviour as adults. It is a recurring observation of mine… Read more »
Speaking of Amish, take some of those bitcoin value-stores over to them and try to exchange them for value-stores of food. Exchanging a computer’s time and a human’s time is not equal barter. You guys are so far off in the trees… you missed that you shouldn’t have even went into that forest: bitcoin is exclusionary to huge segments of the world’s population. You want a nomadic goat-herder to buy a house, buy internet connectivity, buy a computer… then he can sell his goats? It’s ridiculous that someone would even conceive the notion, much less promote it as a realistic… Read more »
@Vulpine The IT tech-dork crowd is so far removed from real-time that making a hard-copy fiat currency into an electricity-based “cloud” fiat currency is a good idea to them? You need to study what a hash function does and see why it works with p2p filesharing to create an unhackable chain. This isn’t a google-drive of monopoly money that lets people modify the numbers. No, we can’t, and shouldn’t, all agree to that. You are conjuring an image that isn’t reality. What you are saying is akin to “gypsies will eat your children”. You’re letting prejudice cloud what I said.… Read more »
@Vulpine
These people don’t seem very excluded to me:
http://theconversation.com/bitcoin-fuels-africas-banking-revolution-16044
Vulpine
June 2nd, 2015 at 11:24 am
You ought to recalibrate. I was there in ’75. I was one of the dorks (an Alpha dork at that if you go by my n count) in the basement. And I have heard it all before – in a different context. “How can it work?” “Just a bunch of dorks.” “Those are just toys.” “What if government cracks down (my biggest fear)” etc.
It is wise not to underestimate the dorks – sometimes they change the world.
“With fossil fuels, power tools and earth movers you . . .”
. . . built a barn with 50 men. You just didn’t see most of them.
Oh, and for every “I can carry around a flash drive” I offer:
I can carry around a powerful electromagnet.
Vulpine
June 2nd, 2015 at 11:53 am
How many bits does your electromagnet carry? Are you counting the power supply or not?
@Vulpine
Dumb argument.
“A magnet powerful enough to disturb the electrons in flash would be powerful enough to suck the iron out of your blood cells” – Bill Frank, executive director of the CompactFlash Association
kfg
June 2nd, 2015 at 11:53 am
Droids will fix that.
Though to be fair, I would love to play with a magnet that powerful. Sounds like a fun toy.
Sun Wukong
June 2nd, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Well it is obvious he has no idea how the technology works. He is confusing FRAM with Flash. In fact I’m designing some (64KB) FRAM into a board that has (potentially) 1 MegB of Flash. FRAM for those not in the know can be written to way more often than Flash can. So if you have small (relatively) amounts of data that changes frequently and you want to keep it after power down without needing a battery….. FRAM.
Sun Wukong
June 2nd, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Well. I’m not quite at that level. But I anticipate 7 to 15T magnets charged with high voltage in a vacuum chamber. If that interests you – contact me.
Vulpine
June 2nd, 2015 at 11:53 am
Why are you using a computer? How does that fit with your imagined better life?
I’m not totally against what Vulpine is trying to say. The Amish lifestyle, while low-energy and low-production, is simpler. Simpler is good, even good engineers will tell you that. Attempting to use and hold value in Bitcoin is scary if you still think it’s just digital bits that can be changed or destroyed. But this just means its properties have not been properly explained to you. Vulpine is simply not stating what he’s thinking clearly and he’s letting a bit of old-ways prejudice make him presume things that just aren’t so.
The trouble with BTC is not that it isn’t usable — it’s usable in lots more places now — but rather the volatility in its value. Since all of us are living in hard currency environments for the most part, the value of BTC in hard currency is extremely relevant for end-users, and, as of now, the volatility in price is too much for anyone other than an enthusiast to invest in significantly. Sure, there are services like BitReserve that will hedge your volatility for you, but then you’re basically using a bank of sorts, where BTC is supposed to… Read more »
@Novaseeker
The 51% attack is real, but implausible. It also could not be done secretively, everyone would know it had been done. It also would damage the value of the very system the miners are attempting to profit from. Essentially any mining pool that wanted to start creating false transactions would be financially shooting itself in the foot.
@Sun Dumb counter-argument. “A magnet powerful enough to disturb the electrons in flash would be powerful enough to suck the iron out of your blood cells” – Bill Frank, executive director of the CompactFlash Association A statement made by a “factory trained technician” =/= truth. Although it sounds as though he might have conducted tests, show me the test results, not the hype/spin/agenda typed-up, posted, then cut and pasted from the internet. The offending command? The syntax error? “would be” This indicates his statement is based on a math calculation or theory, not trials. Otherwise, the statement would be a… Read more »
Ooh, who’s taking bets on which troll is Russian?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-ex-russian-internet-troll-lyudmila-savchuk-a-1036539.html
@Jeremy —
Sure, but they could jam up the system by doing it and basically take it down. Wouldn’t someone like a government or terrorist organization or something want to have that power? They’d have to buy out the miners or simply confiscate the sites, which seems unlikely, but it’s still a systemic risk. I wonder if the model could be addressed to eliminate that risk.
@Vulpine
Couldn’t be arsed to dig up a longer explanation, but the bottom line was that your argument was horse shit regardless. You want a longer explanation for why you were wrong, there’s ways to get that. As to your response, if you want to be a luddite and insist it’s the one true and only way in the world that’s your call.
It’s a piss poor straw man that doesn’t make your magnets vs. flash drives argument any less stupid.
Confucious say: “Man who talk from ass make shitty argument”
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Lorena-Bobbitt-Uses-Her-Story-to-Help-Victims-of-Domestic-Violence-257071221.html
I remember then how everyone was laughing at what she did(internalized anger) imagine if man had cut his wife’s clit?.
Women’s anger is a sucker punch.
“The fact that so many of you fragile egos are so paranoid, defensive, and prone to rage based tantrums,”
Insanity is back in form.
I thought the tone of it’s posts had been getting oddly warm and sympathetic the last couple days.
Regarding ‘paranoid’, this man was persecuted merely for allegedly resembling a scary man: http://personalliberty.com/college-effectively-ends-students-career-reminded-rape-victim-attacker/
“Even though you haven’t raped anybody, or thought about raping anybody, … you can still be singled out for unilateral persecution by college administrators if you remind a rape victim of the stranger who actually attacked her.”
Of course, I’m not allowed to get angry at seeing a fellow man treated like a criminal because of female hysteria… that would be too scary.
Changing your programming Was thinking about science and creation and how men are inherently curious and how we can screw with are biology through trauma and neglect for the time that is given to us. “Dr. Ian Malcolm: John, the kind of control you’re attempting simply is… it’s not possible. If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it’s that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh… well, there it is.” @Droid “Dr. Ian Malcolm: Gee, the lack of humility… Read more »