Yes Means Fear

Not surprisingly the latest “anti-rape” Yes Means Yes law just passed for California university campuses has been the topic du jour in the manosphere this week. I usually like to allow mainstream news like this to percolate in the ‘sphere before throwing my hat into the ring, but I think it’s gotten a lot of mulling over on various blogs now.

Just as a point of order, I’ll repeat that as a policy I never do politics, religion or race on Rational Male – unless those topics relate to intergender relations or the interests of red pill truths and/or the manosphere in general.

That said it’s impossible not to consider the politics, social perspective and the underlying motivations of this new law. Dalrock has already done three posts to this effect, and I wouldn’t want to take any of that thunder away from him. So if you’re wanting a more in depth social / religious perspective I suggest heading over there and read his last posts.

For the most part Dal dissects the Ezra Klein article Roosh vlogs about here regarding how terrible, but ‘necessarily terrible’ this new law is. I’m not sure what I could add here that hasn’t already been debated with regard to speculating about its long term effects, however I do think this law is less about rape prevention, or even the redefining of ‘what rape is” and a lot more about the need for total control of both the male sexual imperative and optimal feminine hypergamy.

Although Yes Means Yes is law on California University campuses it is merely the first of many coming mandates with the latent purpose of legally mandating men’s cooperation with feminine hypergamy and women’s sexual pluralism (AFBB).

I could elaborate on the details of how Yes Means Yes is essentially worthless without some metric by which to document ‘consent’ at each stage of an intersexual encounter (yes, it’s in the law), but this would be pointless, because the actual intent of this law is to create an environment where men are led into a false sense of security with a woman as they move from stage to stage.

The Yes Means Yes law could also be called the You Better Be Pretty Damn Sure law. You Better Be Pretty Damn Sure she said yes. You Better Be Pretty Damn Sure she meant to say yes, and wasn’t consenting because she was scared, or high, or too tired of fighting. If you’re one half of a loving, committed relationship, then you probably can Be Pretty Damn Sure. If you’re not, then you better fucking ask.

The problem with Ezra’s scenario here is he’s presuming a baseline of two honest agents with each other’s mutual interest at heart, in rational discourse between both men and women in a “loving relationship” with no ulterior motives either in the now or in the future. Being ‘Pretty Damn Sure’ is not enough and that’s what makes YMY so dangerous. It presumes male guilt before, during and after any sex ever occurs, and Ezra knows this…

…men need to feel a cold spike of fear when they begin a sexual encounter.

Sadie Hawkins’ World

And thus we understand the latent purpose of this law – instilling fear in men. Nominally the law is about making men so fearful that they concede all aspects of any intersexual discourse to a feminine imperative. This is Sadie Hawkins’ world. One in which only women are allowed to make any intersexual approach to a man for fear that his doing so will be construed as rape, or an intent to rape, even before he initiates anything.

The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality – Heartiste

The more a feminine-primary social order embraces, endorses and openly promotes feminine hypergamy as the normative, correct, social paradigm, the more it will be necessary to legally force men to comply with it.

As it stands now, the Feminine Imperative is having an increasingly difficult time enforcing its primacy through social conventions and popular culture shaming men into compliance with it. Increasingly men are becoming aware of the raw duplicity of open hypergamy and are becoming less and less cooperative with what really amounts to their participation in their own hypergamous cuckoldry – which women triumphantly crow about in as public a manner as is practical now.

A common refrain from the manosphere has been that the only reason a man should consider marriage is if he wanted to raise children – a functioning, cooperative, child-rearing environment being the only evident ‘advantage’ marriage offers men – but in light of potentially more laws cut from this cloth and the glaringly evident risks of having his children legally removed from him under the flimsiest of pretenses I can’t say as I agree with this anymore.

In Sadie Hawkins’ world there are no “advantages” for men in marriage – only liabilities enforced by fear.

It’s no longer about buying the cow when you can get the milk for free anymore. It’s about the cow milking itself and giving it away to Alpha Fucks in its peak years and then expecting you to buy her just before she’s gone completely dry. And all under the assumed risk of accusations of nonconsensual sex at her disposal should you choose not to comply at any time.

The latent purpose of Yes Means Yes is to lock feminine hypergamy into a legal mandate while ensuring fear (I should say Dread) is the motivator for men’s compliance in it.

Brave New Hypergamy

Deti is a permanent fixture in the manosphere, and though he doesn’t have his own blog, he regularly hit’s ’em out of the park with his comments here and on various other blogs.

Deti on Dalrock:

Proponents of “Yes means yes” also are Game deniers and Game haters. The funny thing is that this law will only increase Game and swell the prevalence of its practitioners. Jerks, players, and cads will be the only ones with the balls and the resolve to press forward. Less adept men will give up, because they cannot run the risks of an encounter going bad. They can’t risk criminal records, loss of jobs, loss of family, loss of money and time. The risks aren’t worth the puny rewards.

What marriage is now is what social interaction between men and women will become – a man merely looking at a girl too long will bring a complaint to police, and a man will have to answer merely for his gaze. He could be fined or even imprisoned.

The proponents of Yes means Yes think it will reduce Game and assault; will remove the ambiguities. they think it will foster and encourage the growth, development and proliferation of healthy relationships and marriages. They think it will create safer places for women to seek relationships (or not). It will do none of these things.

“Yes means yes” will only increase Game because the only men willing to try will be those with proven successful sexual track records. It will only create more ambiguity. It will only cause more “good men” and providers to drop out or hoard their earnings, refusing to put them to the service of women. It will leave only the jerks, thugs, cads and players in the SMP as the only men willing to navigate the sexual minefield. These men won’t marry because they don’t have to. The men who would be willing to marry won’t be in the marketplace because they dropped out, and they won’t prepare to marry in the first place because they never got the signals to prepare for it and there’s no point in trying anyway. Marriage rates will continue sliding; the age at first marriage for men and women will continue inching up.

Women will continue to get pumped and dumped. The unhappy ones, ones who regret the encounters or they didn’t go exactly as hoped or planned, will quickly and quietly drop their “lack of consent” claims when video recordings of the encounters in question surface, together with smiling photos and confirmatory texts. A few such women and their institutions of higher learning will be defendants in defamation lawsuits. Some of those videos will make their way to the internet; most won’t.

Welcome to our brave new sexual world. I think that our interlocutors really ought to think this all the way through before supporting it and deciding this is what they want.

There’s an idea that the work around to Yes Means Yes is simply to have sex with a girl off campus. Ergo the incidence of “campus rape” declines and the law is spun as a victory for feminists and evidence of a successful enactment of a functional law.

Yes Means Yes will be a ‘success’ insofar as it curbs campus rape because it is uniquely based on male fear. Again, from Klein’s piece:

To work, “Yes Means Yes” needs to create a world where men are afraid.

Read this again, “…to create a WORLD where men are afraid.”

Ezra believes this ‘useful fear’ is a horrible-but-necessary tool with which to fight what ever definition of rape he subscribes to, but what he doesn’t realize is that fear has uses and implications which go well beyond rape prevention.

The ‘big deal’ is the latent purpose of the law and the motivating ideologies behind it. The law won’t actually curb rape, but it will be successful in creating a world where men are afraid by ambiguously and progressively redefining what rape is and what harassment should encompass – all while legally enforcing men’s compliance in feminine hypergamy.

It’s just as easy to say, ‘well, men will simply not cooperate and go their own way”, and while that would certainly predicate what Deti is proposing, the most salient part is that this law has already successfully changed the gender landscape to one based on fear of the Feminine Imperative. For all my female critics decrying my advocating men use Dread (or at least not discouraging it passively) in their relationships, you can see here in stark contrast that it is overwhelmingly the feminine which is not only comfortable in using dread, but openly mandating legal assurances of its use.

The Feminine Imperative is so fixated upon the insecurities inherent to women’s individual capacity to optimize their hypergamy, so entitled are women to an Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks sexual strategy, it will enact legal mandates to ensure that optimization.

Fem-Centrism

When I wrote Fem-Centrism and The Feminine Reality, I took a lot of shit for being a conspiracist in making the assertions I made:

…the feminine imperative is normalized as the CORRECT goal of any conflict. A woman’s existential imperative, her happiness, her contentment, her protection, her provisioning, her empowerment, literally anything that benefits the feminine is not only encouraged socially, but in most cases mandated by law. Ironically, most doctors require a wife’s written consent to perform a vasectomy on a married man; not because of a legal mandate, but rather to avoid legal retaliations and damages from a wife. By hook or by crook, her imperative is the CORRECT one.

Doesn’t sound so crazy now does it?

A few other things to consider; just this week we’ve seen companies like FaceBook and Apple offer a female-only benefit of freezing women’s eggs for future insemination to its potential female employees. On the face this perk is intended to attract ‘professional’ women to the tech field by assuring them they can eventually “have it all” – once they’ve conquered the “male-dominated work world®”.

While that may help assuage the bad PR the tech industry has with finding any women to work for them, the latent purpose is still ensuring feminine hypergamy and the goals of a female-primary social order can be fulfilled, regardless of how realistic those expectations are.

Also consider my favorite whipping girl Emma Watson’s appeal to the United Nations a few weeks ago initiates a campaign which asks men to take “The HeForShe Commitment” pledge: “Gender equality is not only a women’s issue, it is a human rights issue that requires my participation. I commit to take action against all forms of violence and discrimination faced by women and girls.” This essentially distills to the common “lets you and him fight” convention women will use, but in this instance it amounts to a plea for Feminine Imperative compliant men to police the actions of noncompliant men.

When we consider these two recent developments along with the Yes Means Yes law, the veneer of the Feminine Imperative’s purpose comes off in ways which make it recognizable as the driving social paradigm of our time. The more that control is made obvious, the more a need for legal enforcement and male compliance will be necessary as societal efforts to enforce it break down.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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The men’s rights movement represents true feminism. MGTOW represents the total and complete rejection (and future collapse) of female privilege. MGTOW are an evolution of MRAs. MGTOW are the future of men. Across the globe, in all developed nations, men are opting out. Why? To understand why – you have to understand the power of projection. Ever have someone do something really bad and then blame the result of their bad behavior on you? If you have, then you understand projection. Here’s an example. This example can be applied to any number of things that women blame on men: The… Read more »

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Don’t fool yourself.

In “the old world” things were not as such. The intelligent and strong prevailed the stupid and weak perished. Polygamy was the norm.

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There are no intermissions.

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“Don’t fool yourself. In “the old world” things were not as such. The intelligent and strong prevailed the stupid and weak perished. Polygamy was the norm.” In “the old world” naive alpha men kissed women’s butts – much in the same way they do today. The naive white knights were cuckolded and the strong and wise progressed. Women choose alphas to mate with (the unstable), and then dump them for betas (stable). Only the mentally strong survive (the alphas end up in prison). The low class, low IQ alphas may spawn more, but their offspring will end up in prison… Read more »

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“Polygamy was the norm.”

And civilization was not.

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I won’t lie. After it happened, I felt like defending the guy but I’m not stupid. I’m not sacrificing my status for some guy out of empathy. I know it sounds fucked up but that’s the way it is here. There are those who are “insiders” (the alphas) and there are those who are “outsiders” (the betas). In a game determined by status, unless an alpha has so much status (e.g., famous actor, rockstar) that he can nuke the bitch without repercussions, this is the smart move, even if it is a “bro”. Anyway, this whole legal snafu is just… Read more »

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How many times have we been told that rape is not about sex, it’s about power?

Same damn thing here.

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With the veneer being removed, the question now becomes how many people will recognize the rise of statists and how soon will they act? For that is what Ezra is, an out-of-the-closet statist who believes that laws should exist purely to alter human behavior. A more authoritarian viewpoint does not exist. He might as well be advocating for forced Inguinal orchiectomy on men whose genetics and alpha-ness don’t meet a criteria. There is little distinction between his words and my absurdity. History doesn’t repeat as much as it rhymes, this tune has been sung before, and the populations to which… Read more »

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@jf12 I wouldn’t want you to be mistaken for a crazy young feminist on “radical wind”. The correct term is PVI: “… A wide range of studies, however, have found that greater frequency of penile–vaginal intercourse (PVI), as distinct from other sexual behaviors, is associated with measures of better health (Brody, 2003, 2006; Brody & Preut, 2003) and that condoms might detract from some of the benefits (Costa & Brody, 2008). Studies of the general adult population in several countries indicated that condom use for PVI, like abstinence from PVI, is associated with depression and suicidal tendencies (Gallup, Burch, &… Read more »

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@Mr Ironwood :-
Men would be better suited ceding the increasingly obsolete university system to the women”
To be fair it did have its uses, and may well do again soon.
Very popular when I was that sort of age, particularly among doting white UMC parents.
As a way of keeping Junior out of the draft.
I assume lots of the wanky “Institute of Studies”-type courses had their origins around this time.

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@jacklabear :-
“radical wind” ??? lolzlozlll
Sure this ain’t a wind-up (poe, in your language, I think)?

Right, that’s it. Beans on toast for brekky. Nowt else will do now.

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First I’d like to say how much I enjoyed the podcast, just listened over the weekend. I’ve read articles from McQueen before, but now I’m hooked on his podcast! For those yet to listen, go check it out, McQueen is one funny motherfucker! Being a Californian I’ve been tracking the progress of this law with keen interest. One remarkable aspect is that there was not one singal NO vote cast. While Cali has a legit liberal reputation-I was recently one of them, there are many rural, conservative congressional districts, and not one state legislator cast a NO vote. It nearly… Read more »

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@George
Re: water crystal forming and killing frozen cells. That’s why flash-freezing (vitrification) was developed.

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Yes Means False Rape Claims and Rape Theatre. Over the weekend, a woman accused two men of raping her on the Millersville U. (Penna) campus. Then her story immediately collapsed and she recanted. The police chief says that she won’t be charged or identified, and that the priority is “giving her the support and care she needs” while also investigating if permits “intimate partner violence” had elsewhere and previously occurred. (IOW, since there was no rape, they have to find one. The campus sexual assault czar is leading the charge to discover who hurt the woman in the past, leading… Read more »

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re: females reverting to external fertilization.

Maybe it’s because my imagination is limited, but I can’t see any overall reproductive benefit to giving up internal fertilization, except maybe for predation somehow focused on adults who are getting busy. It kind of makes sense that one wouldn’t want to be thus engaged whilst being eaten.

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re: Millersville. It is a fact that colleges now get brownie points for counting a false rape report as an additional “report” of sexual violence and the withdrawal of the claim does not subtract from the tally of reports. Does anyone know for sure if this one has already increased the official number of “reports” of sexual violence at Millersville for this year?

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Badpainter: “I suspect No Means No worked to well in that many men understood No to mean No and not some variation of try again. Since No is definitive the woman losses plausible deniability and thus her advantage of never ending ambiguity. I suspect YMY will generate similar results but with the added comfort of ambiguity as in “I said yes but not to exacty that.” Either way the requirement to read minds is now law in California.” In reflecting on how this new innovation will affect my social life, I have a couple of observations. One, I have long… Read more »

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@jf12
Quality vs. quantity, I guess. K-selection vs. r-selection and so on…

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@Buena Vista re: “Circus acts will ensue by way of convincing a man she’s offering true consent.” I concur, and the standards for consent will keep escalating. This will include girls competing with each other to show a guy which one is more enthusiastic, which is I suppose what we’re all imagining (and/or trying not to imagine…). But it will also include plausible deniability of consent “Yes, I said yes *somewhat* enthusiastically to Jim but not nearly as enthusiastically as I had just done for Bob. See the video? I was getting a little tired, and Jim could have given… Read more »

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@Exfernalre: r/K.

I don’t think so, because other wise mice would lay (unfertilized) eggs.

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@jf12
Ovoviviparous fish are able to produce less offspring than ovuliparous ones, but their survivability is another matter. Ask an ichthyologist for a better explanation.

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Without jaws, the armor of the mother is the best defense for her offspring. With strong-jawed predators, the best defense is the strength of numbers.

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Deti: “They don’t even realize they are actually ENCOURAGING Game, negs, hot/cold, push/pull, dread, “dark triad” traits, and all the rest of it, because the men who employ those tactics are the only ones who will be able to successfully navigate the SMP they’re creating.” I’ve always been a “Dad” as Deti describes them: someone who suppressed a playful or racy side, in order to behave like my own father in public (i.e., a gentleman drafthorse) and in private (work my ass off, practice monogamous marriage, love my family). However, first hand experience now of the pointlessness of being a… Read more »

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A funny effect of male bystander intervention, commonly reported by individuals actuallyintervening, is that the woman gets angry at the intervener and changes her previous No’s to Yes’s towards her boyfriend/abuser.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/09/19/its-every-single-one-us

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@BV re: “I truly wondered what would have happened if, on my way out I’d just tapped the other juggler, at the end of the bar, on my way out, and said, “You ready to go now?””

YMMV, but during my brief foray it seemed that the only difference that women were using to discern between pervs/creeps and guys-who-have-a-chance was the male’s directness.

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@Exfernal, re: oviparity.

Queen bees are internally fertilized. Communal critters like that tend to have both extremely high numbers of offspring and high survivability, due to protected mating areas and protected nurseries.

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@jf12

So? Not a typical species following the K-selection strategy. I don’t get your position. Are you implying that armored fish were also extremely communal? A bee ‘swarm’ is practically a superorganism. Not many vertebrates follow the same ‘lifestyle’. A shoal of fish, a thousands-strong herd of grazing herbivores, a flock of birds – neither of these reaches the same level of genetic kinship that bees, termites or ants have with their ‘queens’. As an aside, our discussion strains my meager English skills.

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Ah, it’s called ‘eusociality’. I have forgotten that.

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If you take a swarm as a single unit (being subject to selection), not a single bee worker, drone or queen, then bees seem to conform to the general pattern of K-selection more closely.

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@Exfernal re: “I don’t get your position.”

I said that the only reason I could think of to revert from *already* being an internally-fertilized species was if the actual process of fertilization made them easier prey. Making mating more protected, e.g. having a boudoir/den, or perhaps some friends to stand guard, would have been a better solution if possible.

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Well, self-interest of these ‘friends’ dictates to care more about their own safety. A den in the middle of the sea seems equally impractical (outside coral reefs, of course).

I wonder how you would understand the following bee queen ‘ritual’ heralding the ‘schism’ in the swarm: A mother queen kills all her ‘princess’ daughters, except one (or more, if the collective is exceptionally prosperous and numerous), before taking wing with roughly a half of her worker daughters. Difficult to fit in a typical moral paradigm/frame, isn’t it?

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As usual with such issues of identity politics and social power dynamics, those holding their hands in a prayer position and clapping quickly and gleefully are: administrative types who would otherwise have nothing to do and need to feel important; the legal industry who is ever so happy to play both sides for their own benefit; the media, for whom this is prime grist; entrenched political structures who wish to further consolidate their power; and SJW types, drawing their identity from outrage, who must push the envelope into ever more preposterous territory… From the lot of ’em, not much of… Read more »

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Buena Vista- “Obviously, any woman at any time can change her spots and claim assault under YMY. How do we identify this potential?” Despite my tendency to oversimplify things I’d say that potential exists in all humans identified as women. The degree of risk in each individual is of course an unknown. So the question to be asked is this piece of ass worth the assumed default risk? For me the answer is no probably not, and thus my own decision tree gets more complicated. On the upside there is increasing amusement to be enjoyed in getting them to debase… Read more »

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Black Knighting suggestion. 1) Since all males in the California collegiate system have received, and signed acknowledgements of receiving, indoctrination of principles AND methods of bystander intevention 2) Since said methods include how to physically intervene 3) Since said principles morally *require* intervention if sexual violence is occurring or is about to occur 4) Since YMY *defines* any sexual activity (or activities intended to lead to sex, or sex-related activites) which is not explicitly consensual to be sexual violence 5) And finally since definitionally no woman who is drunk, under the influence to any degree including “had a drink or… Read more »

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The best way to enlighten someone that they cannot have their cake and it it too is to snatch the cake away and force them to watch you eat it all.

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I’m amused at seeing middle-aged men talk about something they haven’t been inside of(college) for at least 20 years. I’m go to college. I’ve never seen or heard of women accusing men of sexual assault to get attention. I also see nothing of this nonsense of women only being interested in men who treat them like trash. I also don’t see nothing of the nonsense that the top 20% get the vast majority of the sex. 1) Stop going for women half your age. 2) Don’t be obese. 3) learn social manners. There ya go, you are now attractive to… Read more »

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‘Sweet Jesus jf12 you take this blog too seriously. Stop trying to come across as an expert on women sexuality. Go outside sometime and catch some air. It might increase your lifespan, god knows you’ve burned off half of it already.

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Philip constructs a Potemkin village of straw men, and wonders why nobody claims to live in it.

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@D-Man re: identity politics majors, social power majors,etc.

They are 80% women.
http://www.randalolson.com/2014/06/15/the-double-edged-sword-of-gender-equality/

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FYI, *federal* rules now require counting of “unfounded” reports of sexual assault.
http://chronicle.com/article/In-Rules-on-Campus-Sexual/149521/

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Treon Harris’s accuser withdrew her accusation after photos were circulated, internally in the court, of her enthusiastically consenting.
http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2014/10/9/6952283/treon-harris-lawyer-huntley-johnson-press-release-statement/in/6685046

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Phillip is a woman right?

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To go abstract here for a second. . . Women are from Venus; they are superior/more valuable reproductively and socially more intelligent and cunning. Men are from Mars, they are physically mightier and capable of great objective intelligence. So. . .I can conclude that feminism, as defined by Heartiste, cannot be defeated by Game or any social method. Game is just a response to the imbalance in the force and can only be helpful on an individual basis. Outright revolution (brute force) is the only way to change things to the masculine side. An order where women can’t vote and… Read more »

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”Phillip is a woman right?

Phillip doesn’t agree with the cult-trend here so he must be a woman. Makes sense. Do you know what is the difference between a feminist and a red-piller?

Can’t find any.

”Phillip = Professor Von Hardwiggs = Princess SSB = Plagio

Well, since you share the same views as Roissy and Roosh V, I’m assuming you are all those handles.

BroScience.

You better go make another article on how no masturbation turns a man into alfaalfa.

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lmao rollo you changed my previous posts to ”princess.” Hey, I think 90% of what you write is BS, but at least you got a sense of humor. Kinda like how much you laugh by making bank at the expense at these kids and middle-aged men who are either obese/autistic and think being a ”bad boy” or a ”high smv man” is the way to be sexually successful with hot, 20-something women, right?

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Maybe it’ because Phillip talks nonsense and sounds like a typical woman. Therefore no value to be found in Phillip’s comments. easy enough to scroll past.

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“Outright revolution (brute force) is the only way to change things to the masculine side.”

Force is the way the Tao expresses itself. Force is the only way anything changes in the universe.

And it’s Adams, not Jefferson.

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jf12 wrote:
‘Soon, the asking will be illegal “if you don’t already know, then you cannot ask”.’
Yep: http://mic.com/articles/101214/meet-the-man-who-s-creeped-on-over-500-women-on-the-new-york-subway

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@Mike re:article.

Yep. “How are women supposed to tell the difference between Robinson and a potentially dangerous sex offender?” One could guess: the lack of tingles …

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”Maybe you should ask Aunt Giggles ( or is it SLUTHate now?) the same the next time youre there. All you do is parrot her.” You are more similar to her than you would know. You’re essentially the male version of what she parrots, except you think life is all about scoring pussy, even though you are old enough to have some sense in that head of yours, whereas she seems obsessed with marriage and children. Btw, did you know roosh V had his channel blocked and he’s going to be pressed with criminal charges? lol, the mansphere is pretty… Read more »

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Roosh’s channel did not get blocked. Go piss off you dumb broad and fiddle your bean elsewhere. The manosphere is here to stay.

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@jf12, re article: As far as I can tell, mic dot com doesn’t allow comments but I found the story via their posting it to Facebook. About 2/3 of the women commenting there said the subway PUA should be beaten or shot or otherwise punished. Many of them – self-awareness not being a strong point – basically admitted that the problem was the man’s looks. So, yeah, no tingles=rape.

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I’ve made this comment before about the Jameis Winston accusation, but it needs to be here. First, let me reiterate that I am against the sordid immorality of it all, and that the facts are not my fault. I think moral clauses should prohibit Winston from playing ever again. Again, although not publicized as such, the video evidence of the girl’s “enthusiastic consent” was key. On December 5 of 2013, Florida State Attorney Willie Meggs announced that no prosecution would be forthcoming against Jameis Winston, who was accused of raping a girl at his place a year earlier on December… Read more »

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@Mike, re: “no tingles=rape”.

I’m saying “one could guess” in order to avoid saying it’s my opinion, that one way those women can tell Robinson is safe is *because* of the lack of tingles.

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@jf12: I get your point now. I was surprised so many women want this man killed, injured, or jailed, just for asking. No indication he was threatening or even rude, or that he touched anyone.

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I think in Northern Ireland now, it’s legal to solicit paid sex, but illegal to actually pay for it.

“The Northern Ireland Assembly has voted by 81 to 10 in favour of making it a crime to pay for sex. MLAs spent several hours on Monday debating the measures, which formed part of a private member’s bill on human trafficking and exploitation. Clause six of the bill makes it illegal for someone to obtain sexual services in exchange for payment. “

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29699626

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Kinda like how much you laugh by making bank at the expense at these What money? Where are the ads at The Rational Male? What’s for sale here that’s profitable? This is not the “making bank” site. I know the value of Rollo’s time in the field he’s worked a lifetime to be the best in the world at. These posts and comments are not profitable for Rollo Tomassi. Rollo is talented in more than one type of art. The writing he does here… is free. The best artists SHOULD be paid for what they do that affects change around… Read more »

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@Mike re: “No indication he was threatening or even rude, or that he touched anyone.”

Correct. He was described as “cordial”, “polite”, and “nice”.

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seemed like a fan,
but when the names were listed,
that seems to have been like a mistake…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gumcX3zgvcY

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Of course, the short term reaction should be that any parent would be out of their minds to support a son attending a California university.

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“Yes Means Yes” is a concept-book authored by two hardcore lesbians Jaclyn Freidman and Jessica Valenti. They see themselves and sell themselves as evangelists for the lesbian lifestyle and are paid for (with government money) and applauded for *actively* recruiting naive college girls, in the guise of “educating” them in “what women really want”.

“Yes Means Yes” laws are for the purpose of eventually criminalizing hetero sex.

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@Mike, Lindy West chimes in.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/21/attention-men-dont-be-a-creepy-dude-who-pesters-women-in-coffee-shops-and-on-the-subway

“Attention beta males, just go away and die already, wouldja?”

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Good2Go kept a record of consent; it was designed to be an app specifically to maximize certainty of consent; that was it’s sole purpose. Hence, lesbian activists got it shut down after less than two weeks.
http://www.technicianonline.com/opinion/article_fa1531c4-5348-11e4-b834-0017a43b2370.html

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When girls say yes, grown men are made to fear to prosecute.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/why-kids-sext/380798/

“In the first couple of weeks of the investigation, Lowe’s characterization of the girls on Instagram morphed from “victims” to “I guess I’ll call them victims” to “they just fell into this category where they victimized themselves.””

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We all agree No Means No was unambiguous. We all agree it wasn’t working. One disupute is whether the reason it wasn’t working is that women’s dislike of the lack of ambiguity caused them to hesitate to use the word “no.” (hah,hah,right?)

Anyway, either YMY is more ambiguous, as all of us who are not lesbian activists know, or it’s more definite. IF it is more definite, then Yes Means YES is aggressive and intrusive, making the male’s compliance more mandatory. It’s the exact equivalent of “I Mean Yes, Buster, So You Better Get Busy Right Now!

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@jf12: Thanks for that.
Lindy wrote: “Why would you want to be tolerated when you could be desired?” She never gets around to telling us how we might discover we’re desired. Since we’re not allowed to ask.

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@Mike re:”Whywould you want to be tolerated”

It’s the EXACT equivalent to “Undesirables will not be tolerated!” and the women all know it and are now brazen about it.

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A slight digression, or pause, for Game advice. One effective, woman positive-response change I made a couple of years ago was unclenching my hands while walking or standing. The fully open hand still felt weird though, so my hands were at the side of my hips with the fingers somewhat curled. In addition, in trying to stand straighter posturally inevitably the elbows go back a bit (not as much as the swole walk, but partly). The combination with hands at the ready at the hips is very gunslingerish, although I didn’t make the connection until a woman told me. Lately… Read more »

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@Mike, Lindy tends to be less ambiguous than most. She’s upfront about what she considers the problem (besides that she sees men chatting up *other* women …) and solution “Because there’s no law against talking to a pretty woman [yet!]”

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@jf12 We all agree No Means No was unambiguous. We all agree it wasn’t working. One disupute is whether the reason it wasn’t working is that women’s dislike of the lack of ambiguity caused them to hesitate to use the word “no.”… Full female sexual expression is incompatible with any form of explicit law. This is because female sexuality requires ambiguity whereas laws are supposed to be well-defined enough to be etched in stone. Female sexuality is a core of ambiguity. Being feminine means never showing her cards, never actually revealing how much she may or may not be into… Read more »

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More from Rosin’s article
“their photos will be shown to police officers and judges and probation officers. And the reality is, a lot of these officials are going to be men. That process itself is what’s traumatizing.”

Girls are being *violated* by adult males protecting them from saying yes to boyfriends.

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Rollo, If the object is to instill fear in a man, perhaps thats not a bad idea? It would seem to me, if females wanted the alpha for their progeny they wouldn’t create laws like this, which make it more difficult for an Alpha to inseminate her. Imagine with the law in play, if a woman has sex with man she is labeled a slut after some number, her count is “confirmed”. She can’t walk it off and proclaim it was the alcohol or …… whatever some solipsism excuse she can come up with to keep her dignity intact. There… Read more »

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Yes means Maybe.

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Failure to share.

Coming soon to a relationship near you, federal guidelines will prohibit a man from not sharing all his wealth with a woman.
http://nnedv.org/resources/ejresources/about-financial-abuse.html

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Rollo,

I am so disgusted by it. Any words of encouragement?

When’s book 2 coming out

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@jf12
Re: ‘financial abuse’. So no ‘My wallet, my choice’ for me?

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YMY does seem to immunize female sexuality from any liability whatsoever.

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@Exfernal, re: no choice.

Correct. The male will be forced to consent to the penetration of his wallet. And be forced to smile too, probably.

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Cathy Young, a logical thinking woman sums everything up nicely in TIME here:
http://time[]com/3222176/campus-rape-the-problem-with-yes-means-yes/

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This goes beyond the feminine imperative. We should call it what it is: if women living in fear is patriarchy (as the feminist persecution complex dictates), then men living in fear is matriarchy.

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It’s amazing how much deference society gives to shrill lesbians nowadays. They got CathyYoung removed.
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/2014/10/the-federalist-society-responds-to-cathy-young/

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Heather MacDonald is in favor of YMY because presumably it will decrease hookups (still no evidence of any decrease so far, btw) because of the men’s fears of blame.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/neo-victorianism-campus_810871.html
“There is no downside to this development.”

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I’m feeling sympathy for Michelle Martin’s attempts to connect with the universe by starting a blog, so I’m not going to actually bash. http://www.michelleemartin.org/blog/confessions-of-a-divorced-empty-nesting-online-dater I will, however, attempt to enlighten her at a distance. She is bright, witty even, and healthy, certainly attractive enough, but is having trouble maintaining any man’s interest … that is, any man she is interested in. Like others we have discussed recently, she is post-menopausal and considers herself newly available, and she is bewildered that the men she consideres to be her assortative matches are more interested in much younger and much funner i.e. “lesser”… Read more »

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@boxsterpaul If the object is to instill fear in a man, perhaps thats not a bad idea? It would seem to me, if females wanted the alpha for their progeny they wouldn’t create laws like this, which make it more difficult for an Alpha to inseminate her. It’s the opposite. Laws like this open the field up for true alphas, because no woman other than an absolute psychotic cunt is ever going to try to prosecute an alpha for a lay. These laws punish the non-alphas, forcing them to either become alpha in behavior, or shut up. They force men… Read more »

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@jf12: I read Doc (Michelle) Martin’s post of advice to online daters. For men, it boils down to this: Don’t put anything in your profile that might attract a woman who’s not Doc Martin. Don’t target younger, slim women; only date age-appropriate fatsos (“curvy”). Gee thanks Doc, I’ll get right on that.

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“She has a master’s degree in social work, a master’s degree in policy studies and a Ph.D. in peace studies . . . she has virtually no hobbies . . .”

Right. sign me up to be her hobby.
Then just shoot me.

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I’ll be honest, there was one time a girl brought me back to her dorm in college trying to get me to sleep with her even though the excuse was to “get something she left at her dorm”… I didn’t feel safe even letting the door close so I stood by it because of all the orientation rape lectures… this was as a freshman or sophomore about 5-7 years ago. Found out the next day from my friend whose friend this was that she was disappointed I didn’t fuck her because she really wanted it but such is life.

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Women NEED beta men, they desperately need them. As every parasite, women need her host – loyal, supportive, romantic, stupid male.There will come a time, in almost every woman´s life, where she would like to cash out of life. She will need this stupid slave to work for her lazy ass and her children till his very death. While alpha might satisfy ego/gina desire of many women, his ability to satisfy their parasitic, innermost needs are limited. Most alphas are able to provide for one woman, minority do not give a fuck to it completely. So – alpha can not… Read more »

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@ gregg: Even though you used words that are quite harsh, I think that’s exactly the most basic fear of any woman. And yes , many of the laws are there to protect the FI. But I’m still not sure, after having read many opinions on this here and elsewhere, what’s exactly the point with this YMY law. In the end I think it is just another meat shit test. Feminists may have installed it because they can’t stand women and men being happy together, or maybe it’s just divide and conquer. However, it will cause a lot of harm… Read more »

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“a master’s degree in social work, a master’s degree in policy studies and a Ph.D. in peace studies . .”
These are actual Things, like what you can get a degree in?
Christ. We’re all doomed. Dooooomed Ah tell ye.

I mean, I’d be genuinely impressed by a master’s in Knitting, or Cheesemaking, or Brewing or Horsetraining or something. But this made-up shit? Fuck no, bye.
As real as Witchcraft or Spoonbending the lot of them, she might as well wear a t-shirt with “warning: contains windowlicking moron” on it.

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One thing I find interesting about YMY is ultimately the class distortion it will have in the effectiveness of marriages. By this I propose that UC and UMC kids of both sexes are going to end up in college regardless and then they will be indoctrinated with YMY and the corresponding social programming. My own experience 20 years ago at college was at the time the No Means No came out and the corresponding rise of women’s studies and campus grievence committee type of actions all around me. It had a chilling effect on me even though I was an… Read more »

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Won’t the posh people just raise the bar/drawbridge to entry, to guard their sons against the ensnarements of the she-morlocks? Better or different grades required, mahoosive fees, expatting their spawn out-of-state, even to Europe/Asia, for tertiary education? Which means the cohort females will be operating hypergamy as normal. Absent a shedload of frantically upwardly-humping middleclass (and lower) scrubbers from college, and the guys won’t be getting much action except for the teenytiniest sliver of the apex elite scions. The very wealthy and spoiled daddy’s princess girls still in the game at this point will be instinctively spurning their actual socioeconomic… Read more »

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The UC Berkeley, the flagship system of YMY with over 18000 young women students, reports 3 suspected cases of sexual assault this fall, all involving young women drinking at fraternities, none occuring actually on campus.
http://police.berkeley.edu/crimealerts/2014/index.html

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Slight update.
One of the three cases was unwanted, apparently clothed, touching of a male by a male.

One of the three cases is already a non-case. “factually innocent”, “exonerated”
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2014/10/17/breaking-case-dismissed-against-uc-berkeley-student-charged-with-rape/
“we’ve concluded that Mr. Quillin did not commit any sexual assault on September 27th, 2014. And I would add that Jane Doe is in agreement with that conclusion that we have come to”

The third case involves five individuals, gender unspecified, who made a joint complaint the morning after a huge party at the Dekes. They felt they “must have been” drugged.

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I’ve been paying more attention to the world around me lately and I am absolutely shocked at how pervasive the FI is. Everything you’ve said is true. I’ll see something, whether it’s something political or an older girl complaining about her boyfriend leaving her for someone younger, and a memory of an article I’ve read here just pops into my head and it’s like….yup. Beta and aspiring-alpha men have it hard enough. Especially with social media booming, it’s clear as day to see how thoroughly the FI has infiltrated society and has been heavily influencing the way people think about… Read more »

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