Exit Dalrock

This is truly depressing.

Yesterday Dalrock announced that he’s stepping away from his blog. Not only that, but he’s contemplating deleting the blog and over 10 years of what can only be described as seminal work in explaining contemporary Christianity from a Red Pill perspective.

I’m not sure what prompted this decision. I want to chalk it up to burnout, but I’m afraid that doesn’t explain the desire to erase a body of work of Dalrock’s magnitude. Everyone gets burned-out at some stage and 10+ years is a long time to sustain a blog that’s as well-thought as Dalrock’s.

I’m talking with Dal via email now and I’m trying to make sense of this decision. Several people have already begun to archive the ‘best of’ Dalrock for posterities sake, but I’m not sure this aligns with his desire to remove his work entirely.

I’ve been friends with Dalrock for 10 years and it’s no exaggeration to say that no one has done more seminal work on examining Red Pill intersexual dynamics in the context of mainstream Christianity than Dal. His blog has been the go-to place for discussing the Red Pill within a framework of Christian convictions for as long as I’ve been blogging. In fact, we both began blogging at around the same time and we used bounce ideas off each other on the old RooshV forums in a private discussion sub Roosh himself had set up for the likes of myself, Dalrock, Roissy (for a brief time) and various other Manosphere notables of that time.

When I first launched this blog I gave serious consideration to include some section or dedicated space to issues of Red Pill awareness and how religion (Christianity in main) is intertwined in it. I gave up on that idea in the early days of The Rational Male because Dalrock had so thoroughly covered what I knew then would be a necessary part of what was becoming the “manosphere“. And to be completely honest, Dalrock did it better than I had the time to invest in making it worthwhile. So I stuck to my policy of never discussing religion (or politics or race) in specific unless it crossed over into intersexual dynamics.

In these 10 years the one forum or commentariat that I participated in with regularity was Dalrock’s comment sections. I would relate the ideas he was developing to Red Pill concepts and he in turn would use my ideas to better illustrate what he was seeing transpire in Christian dating, Christian marriages, romantic/chivalric idealism and secularism transforming intersexual dynamics in a Christian context. A lot of this came to a head when he (and I) began challenging a new generation of ‘masculinity pastors’ and their own misguided ideals, and their efforts to turn the Manosphere into their pet ministries. It’s these grifters who’ll be toasting the demise of Dalrock’s blog the loudest this weekend.

When I began work on my upcoming 4th book about the Red Pill and religion my first impulse was to coauthor it with Dalrock. I asked him more than once to consider going in on the book with me, but his desire for privacy and anonymity had him decline my requests. Instead I asked if he (and various other men I respect in the christo-red pill community) would be someone I could quote and consult for the book. This he agreed to. In the new book I quote Dal’s blog quite a bit; particularly with regard to scripture and his concepts of marriage and child rearing in our brave new world of gynocentrism.

Dalrock filled a unique position in the ‘sphere. He more than myself has always been a thorn in the side of Trad-Cons & Red Pill Pastors (Warhorn) and their efforts to force-fit their old order beliefs into what the Red Pill was making more and more Christian men aware of. The Red Pill has never been a threat to faith, but it has been a threat to men who’ve built social and personal frameworks around a church culture that validates their Blue Pill conditioned lifestyles. If Rollo Tomassi points out how the Feminine Imperative has replaced the Holy Spirit in contemporary church culture and doctrine, well, he’s just a sinning PUA who can be dismissed. But if Dalrock rips back the veneer of ‘Christian Kosher’ Feminism that pervades the modern church, that’s when these guys have to do their homework.

All that’s gone now. And, potentially, all of that work is at risk of being deleted. All of the well-thought articles that held feet to fire and challenged an increasingly more feminized church (and their male feminist ‘christian’ apologists) to seriously look at itself are going away. And as I said, I’m sure the grifters are rejoicing and seeing it as a sure sign that God is at work in the Manosphere.

Blogs are Dead

I’m wondering if the age of blogging is at an end. 12 years ago blogs were the way to express ideas to a wider audience. Twitter and most of the social media we take for granted today was around, but it was certainly less endemic as it is now. Hell, even YouTube was still privately owned back then. If you wanted to build an online media brand you had to really believe in what you were doing to make the effort worthwhile. Blogging has always been a labor of love. That’s especially true today because everyone on social media today is their own Brand of Me. If all you do it curate an Instagram account with no other function than to show off how great a life you live, congratulations, you are your brand. It’s second nature to us now, but it used to take a lot more effort to relate your digital consciousness to an audience. That was what you used to blog for.

Now, even the most basic social media accounts can be ‘influencers‘. In fact it’s become so endemic that big name brands and their social media PR specialists have figured out that tween-age girls like to think of themselves as ‘micro-influencers’ and “hire” them to represent their brands for as little as a 30% discount on the product itself. As I mentioned in last week’s post, the barrier to entry has been reduced to almost nothing these days. But that ‘nothing’ barrier removes the process necessary to really develop one’s passions, or develop what one thinks about their beliefs. Content is king, but just calling it “content” reduces passions and ideas to a commodity. Are you a content provider or are you an ideas person?

The commodification of ideas, beliefs, imagination, creativity, etc. is really where this ‘sphere and countless others are heading. It’s not hard to start an online brand. Drop-shippers are all basically selling the same Chinese product, but the brand, the logo, the competition is all just a popularity contest now. Want to be a Red Pill dating/life coach? Just read passages from The Rational Male verbatim on a 5 minute video shot on your iPhone 7 and call it your original work. It’s not plagiarism, it’s content deliverables, right?

The easier things are to produce, the more real creativity suffers. Assuming most people in the future actually have original content to deliver, the process also makes them beholden to prioritize the production over the actual product. Blogs are not very good at that kind of prioritization. I was always amazed at how Roissy/Heartiste could produce a blog post a day right up until ‘his’ deplatforming last year. Most of those daily posts were just current event filler crap and C&P’ed comments from his threads, but in between it all there were the occasional strokes of genius. And those genius posts became fewer and fewer in the last 4 years.

I’ve never posted for the sake of posting. Traffic has never been my priority on this blog. Neither has monetization. The message of this blog and my thoughts have always taken precedent. In almost 10 years I’ve never written an essays for an audience. I put forth what I think needs to be considered and hopefully people can use that information to construct a better way of living with it. But in the coming decade pandering to an audiences’ sensibilities will be the only thing most content producers will focus. Audience engagement and content providing is already trumping any real discourse.

And this is the real hard thing to accept about Dalrock’s retirement and deleting himself; it’s 10+ years of real, passionate, ideas and necessary debate that’s been instrumental for men in understanding the state of Christianity, church culture, Red Pill awareness and so many other related issues:

When I think of the wholesale destruction of Dalrock’s work I’m reminded of how violent members of a conquering tribe/nation/religion are prone to destroy the artistic and intellectual works of the society they’ve overthrown. The first order of business is to erase the art, the ideas, the ‘gods’ of the defeated tribe, or to plagiarize the best of it and erase the rest. Burn the books, destroy the symbols, appropriate and assimilate the ideas; in the end it’s an indictment of the one who’s doing the erasing. I have no doubt that once Dalrock’s work is gone there will be ‘grave robbers’ lining up to distort what he built to fit their own narratives and provide them with content to call their own.

And all for what? Roosh has decided to erase himself recently as well. All the work he created that was so influential in the ‘sphere, now that’s traded for a new kind of nihilism. And all the usual moralist suck ups are ready to see him as the Prodigal Son. See? We were right all along. Our faith is validated and confirmed! But all the same problems that brought us to questioning that faith are still where we left them. Only now there’s no one left to point out their inconsistencies. No one’s left to identify the Blue Pill conditioning that’s prompted so many men to leave the churches. No one’s left to call bullshit! Only those grave robbers are left; the same guys who’ve been apologizing for never understanding the Blue Pill or their compromised masculinity because their faith and existence depends on it.

Blogs are dead. Long live The Rational Male.

Just to allay any concerns, no, I’m not shuttering this blog. I’m still going to be writing here and elsewhere. I’m not unpublishing anything. Maybe blogs are now a dead media, but I do my best thinking here. And yes, I fully expect some ‘coaches’ will be lifting my material to fulfill their content quotas. Just be sure to remind them where they’re sourcing it from whenever possible.

I will apologize for not posting as consistently as I have in the past, but this is mostly because I’ve been focusing on the latest book. Like I said, I don’t post for the sake of posting. I craft my essays and I don’t publish them until I think I’ve stated what I needed to state.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
3 months ago

@Blax

Incorrect. The thing they’re 100% capable of is not banging someone else. It’s 2 things: 1. Leading someone on. and 2. Nuking the relationship on a whim(No matter how fast she regrets it).

Wildside
3 months ago
Reply to  Roused

@Roused. I like you. I am not a young man but I agree with this:

‘Young guys come here looking for help and what they get is cheat codes to get their dick wet. Lord knows how the hormones rage when you’re young, but is that what this is all about? Is the meaning of life just chasing tail and getting your dick wet?’

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 months ago

“‘Young guys come here looking for help and what they get is cheat codes to get their dick wet. Lord knows how the hormones rage when you’re young, but is that what this is all about? Is the meaning of life just chasing tail and getting your dick wet?’ Speaking for myself, I never even try to give cheat codes and I don’t think that’s the entire gist of comments outside of FR’s since YaReally jumped ship. But I keep getting told that ” pussy ” is paramount in many men’s lives for reasons I evidently don’t understand, or because… Read more »

Redpillok
Redpillok
3 months ago

@ Roused

Appreciate your contribution and debate. Believe your challenge of what seems to be orthodox thought here are shared by more than a few that frequent this blog.

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

Roused I’ll get to the rest of your comments, lot’s of interesting, perhaps troubling aspects on display… For now – Not judging, do what you will. No? But ya know, when you only believe humans are animals and sacks of flesh who gives a shit about self respect and dignity? We’re grown men here and still worried about PUA and getting some side pussy. FFS That is judgment… lol Young guys come here looking for help and what they get is cheat codes to get their dick wet. You know Rollo’s written three books and is almost done with a… Read more »

Wildside
3 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

@Sentient. I’ll have to pull you on this one.

I have recently been going through some life re-evaluation and I posted on here because I had nobody to relate to IRL. Palma understood and he got what I was trying to say. Your reply was something on the lines of sorting my life out, learning game and fucking a ton of women. Possibly you thought I was a young guy but that means nothing to me. I am not at TRM or read Rollo’s books for that.

Roused
3 months ago

Getting a message when trying to post that says: Invalid security token.

The comment window goes gray and blank.

Roused
3 months ago

Figured it out, the Jetpack plugin for comments doesn’t like me trying place code for a TM by muh hypergamy.

Roused
3 months ago

@Sentient LOL tent revival. No man, trying to say I’m not finding using fear, coercion and manipulation of Muh Hypergamy to be longterm solutions. That all creates too much contention and unnecessary anguish for a woman. What the hell is so damn cool about having to twist a girl around so you can get your rocks off? Is that how you want your daughters treated? Or are daughters just sacks of flesh like their moms? Here’s the deal, she is either going to be attractive and want to be with me, or not. I shouldn’t have to manipulate or train… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 months ago

Roused Let me tell you a story. Lol. Back in the wayback machine, in the mid 80’s or so, I used to take my girlfriend ( that became my wife ) with me to NYC to the yearly auto shows. For background, ex wifey was a 3 alarm fire. Super hot and fun and feminine. So we wandered around the exhibits, with me snapping photos, for about 90 minutes of so. We then noticed a crowd behind an exhibit, so we went to see what the fuss was all about. There was a crowd of people lined up at a… Read more »

IRL
IRL
3 months ago

@Blaximus Same old, same old (replace “flowers” with “women” etc.): Let’s don’t go all “nutty” now. “I don’t understand how [TRP] subtracts”. Are dog trainers/owners manipulative assholes making their dogs anxious, lost and unloved? Does quitting your day job with the middle finger because you read a book/blog or two and are starting your own business without a plan make the books/blogs naive/uncalibrated/bitter/angry… or was it you? Balance. Or swing that pendulum however you want. Just know it’s you. “Flowers” are still what they were before. Overall I think the message in the comments are more or less balanced. Different… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
3 months ago

@Roused Ya I got tired of the drama of dread 29 years ago before I even knew what it was. Every time I got dressed up and took the family to church all the other and I mean all the wives and free women couldn’t keep there eyes off me and it drove my wife nuts. Didn’t take long to just quit going to church as she would always pick up on it no matter how subliminal the mouth watering stares were. I still talk to all of them even the whores and old widows just not to much around… Read more »

Roused
3 months ago

Did I love and respect her? 100%.

So there is that.

Then this:
respecter of her feelings, is when shit fell completely apart.

So you respected her, but then your respect for her blew up? There is a whole lot of details in the storyline missing. Blax, please explain how you went from respecting to respecting and it fell apart.

Thanks for the Hoff story.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
3 months ago

Sentient I think I remember that stripper FR. Think you lost her because you met her just before her shift and she offered to comp your entry to the strip club with her but you didn’t want to pay anything, even if it was $10 to go into the strip club to wait for her or something like that? PS – One of things that has kept improving for me in the last 1-2 years (even after I stopped the active online dating and restricted it to “if I’m horny when traveling) is that sense of how I can do… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

Culum Yeah you made a commwnt at the time I recall. I didn’t lose her though, she wanted me to come hang out while she did her shift, said I’d be comped since I was with her, and then we could hang out after. It was tempting but at the time, after a few brushes with escorts, I didn’t want to be near anything that had any whiff of potential profit motive. So I told her have fun and she split and I stayed in the bar and gamed some other girl. That was a few years ago. Today I’d… Read more »

Wildside
3 months ago

There we have it, in black and white from a female Dr of Anthropology.

“Even if we get an incredibly financially successful, independent woman, we actually tend to find that she still looks for a man that has that provision and that protection, even though she could achieve that by herself.”

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2020/02/an-evolutionary-anthropologists-view-of-tinder-and-dating-apps/

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
3 months ago

@Wildside

What we have from the Doc is a snapshot. You know, like any other time you talk to women.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 months ago

Here’s the indictment of Lawrence Ray, the Sarah Lawrence con man. Nothing really surprising, anyone who has ever been around any sort of cult or even a confidence operator should easily recognize what went on. He obviously has the ability to pick out weaker people, determine their weakest point, and go from there. It’s a typical kitchen-sink indictment. “Forced labor / forced labor trafficking / forced labor conspiracy” is a cherry on top. Wonder how the North Carolina property turned out? https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1247921/download Oh, note how he took the trouble to do the parental alienation thing. That’s typical for conmen and… Read more »

Wildside
3 months ago
Reply to  Yollo Comanche

@Yollo. Indeed but the snapshot speaks volumes

“At this point, people in the audience are possibly looking around and thinking ‘well that doesn’t sound very feminist’ – and it’s not,” she tells the crowd. “For something as ingrained as mating behaviour to change, we need practically the whole population of the world following feminist principals.”

We are getting there Doc.

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

she still looks for a man that has that provision and that protection

Lol. So feminists are coming around to discovering Evo- bio truths…

And Tradbots are putting their fingers in their ears…

Lolzlolzolzozzzl

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 months ago

Roused “So you respected her, but then your respect for her blew up? There is a whole lot of details in the storyline missing. Blax, please explain how you went from respecting to respecting and it fell apart.” Yeah, brevity leaves gaping holes. Just attempting not to be so TLDR. I guess the best way to describe the situations was that I respected her, but I don’t respect anyone more than I respect myself. So since I loved her sooooo much, I figured I would elevate her by demonstrating and amplifying the respect I had for her. Constantly. Whereas before… Read more »

IRL
IRL
3 months ago

@Roused “Did I love and respect her? 100%.” So there is that. Then this: “respecter of her feelings, is when shit fell completely apart.” So you respected her, but then your respect for her blew up? Why taking it out of context? @Blax has explained this betaization phase in his first marriage many times. Even here clearly stated he had “attempted to change into a softer, kinder, gentler, understanding” (which you omitted – why? serious question). Man’s respect for a woman can easily be leveraged (not even consciously) to shift the relationship dynamic into some serious red flag territory… even… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

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IRL
IRL
3 months ago

Speaking of relationship dynamic, our nature, evo-bio-psych etc.

This is a breakdown-worthy 6+ set:

(@Culum you wanna take a stab at it?)

So many great concepts on display: communication channels (body language vs verbal comms), being grounded, leading, state transfer, frame, setting and respecting boundaries, calibration, female-to-pet (/child) dynamic, alpha of the group etc.

Some other little nuggets here:

As always: look at what they do, not what they say.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
3 months ago

@IRL LOL, after all that bragging in my last post, I’d better do that hadn’t I? Cesar Milan was interesting. Notes below taken as I watched the clip. There’ll probably be more if I rewatch it more carefully a second time: State transference: Creating dog’s excitement instead of calmness by “Hi Lulu!!?? Who is it/???” when people knock etc. Pumping up the dog Self-amusement – both men telling the woman to chill out and laughing Calm Cesar Milan – the dog he’s holding is completely calm and chilled picking up his vibes. His body language is calm and open (aka… Read more »

Roused
3 months ago

@IRL Why taking it out of context? @Blax has explained this betaization phase in his first marriage many times. Even here clearly stated he had “attempted to change into a softer, kinder, gentler, understanding” (which you omitted – why? serious question). Blax knew what I was referring to and I wasn’t worried he would be confused. He did a fine job providing more details so I better understood the storyline of what happened. What he shared was helpful, and he didn’t seem to mind repeating himself. I knew he had been married, but didn’t recall all the details. Blax didn’t… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

Roused What the hell is so damn cool about having to twist a girl around so you can get your rocks off? Is that how you want your daughters treated? Or are daughters just sacks of flesh like their moms? Tradbots use shaming language, and generally settle on the “muh daughters” trope at the margin. As if “muh daughters” aren’t operating on evo-bio/psych principles… [Does anyone know how to change font color in markup? Tradbot should be in bright blue] Here’s the deal, she is either going to be attractive and want to be with me, or not. I shouldn’t… Read more »

kfg
kfg
3 months ago

“She isn’t responding in freewill . . .”

Eagles may soar, but weasels don’t get sucked into jet engines.

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
3 months ago

@Roused,

One of Dad’s favorite sayings was, “You show your children love by how well you take care of their Mother.” But, this can be taken too far. It sounds like you are being negatively judged by your children–who cannot appreciate your burdens and sacrifices made on their behalf and their mother’s behalf.

John
John
3 months ago

I wonder if Dal has had some very serious threats come his way and he had to make a decision of safety. Idk. If he’s as good as you say, I hope he comes back with forcefully on other platforms, potentially.

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