Exit Dalrock

This is truly depressing.

Yesterday Dalrock announced that he’s stepping away from his blog. Not only that, but he’s contemplating deleting the blog and over 10 years of what can only be described as seminal work in explaining contemporary Christianity from a Red Pill perspective.

I’m not sure what prompted this decision. I want to chalk it up to burnout, but I’m afraid that doesn’t explain the desire to erase a body of work of Dalrock’s magnitude. Everyone gets burned-out at some stage and 10+ years is a long time to sustain a blog that’s as well-thought as Dalrock’s.

I’m talking with Dal via email now and I’m trying to make sense of this decision. Several people have already begun to archive the ‘best of’ Dalrock for posterities sake, but I’m not sure this aligns with his desire to remove his work entirely.

I’ve been friends with Dalrock for 10 years and it’s no exaggeration to say that no one has done more seminal work on examining Red Pill intersexual dynamics in the context of mainstream Christianity than Dal. His blog has been the go-to place for discussing the Red Pill within a framework of Christian convictions for as long as I’ve been blogging. In fact, we both began blogging at around the same time and we used bounce ideas off each other on the old RooshV forums in a private discussion sub Roosh himself had set up for the likes of myself, Dalrock, Roissy (for a brief time) and various other Manosphere notables of that time.

When I first launched this blog I gave serious consideration to include some section or dedicated space to issues of Red Pill awareness and how religion (Christianity in main) is intertwined in it. I gave up on that idea in the early days of The Rational Male because Dalrock had so thoroughly covered what I knew then would be a necessary part of what was becoming the “manosphere“. And to be completely honest, Dalrock did it better than I had the time to invest in making it worthwhile. So I stuck to my policy of never discussing religion (or politics or race) in specific unless it crossed over into intersexual dynamics.

In these 10 years the one forum or commentariat that I participated in with regularity was Dalrock’s comment sections. I would relate the ideas he was developing to Red Pill concepts and he in turn would use my ideas to better illustrate what he was seeing transpire in Christian dating, Christian marriages, romantic/chivalric idealism and secularism transforming intersexual dynamics in a Christian context. A lot of this came to a head when he (and I) began challenging a new generation of ‘masculinity pastors’ and their own misguided ideals, and their efforts to turn the Manosphere into their pet ministries. It’s these grifters who’ll be toasting the demise of Dalrock’s blog the loudest this weekend.

When I began work on my upcoming 4th book about the Red Pill and religion my first impulse was to coauthor it with Dalrock. I asked him more than once to consider going in on the book with me, but his desire for privacy and anonymity had him decline my requests. Instead I asked if he (and various other men I respect in the christo-red pill community) would be someone I could quote and consult for the book. This he agreed to. In the new book I quote Dal’s blog quite a bit; particularly with regard to scripture and his concepts of marriage and child rearing in our brave new world of gynocentrism.

Dalrock filled a unique position in the ‘sphere. He more than myself has always been a thorn in the side of Trad-Cons & Red Pill Pastors (Warhorn) and their efforts to force-fit their old order beliefs into what the Red Pill was making more and more Christian men aware of. The Red Pill has never been a threat to faith, but it has been a threat to men who’ve built social and personal frameworks around a church culture that validates their Blue Pill conditioned lifestyles. If Rollo Tomassi points out how the Feminine Imperative has replaced the Holy Spirit in contemporary church culture and doctrine, well, he’s just a sinning PUA who can be dismissed. But if Dalrock rips back the veneer of ‘Christian Kosher’ Feminism that pervades the modern church, that’s when these guys have to do their homework.

All that’s gone now. And, potentially, all of that work is at risk of being deleted. All of the well-thought articles that held feet to fire and challenged an increasingly more feminized church (and their male feminist ‘christian’ apologists) to seriously look at itself are going away. And as I said, I’m sure the grifters are rejoicing and seeing it as a sure sign that God is at work in the Manosphere.

Blogs are Dead

I’m wondering if the age of blogging is at an end. 12 years ago blogs were the way to express ideas to a wider audience. Twitter and most of the social media we take for granted today was around, but it was certainly less endemic as it is now. Hell, even YouTube was still privately owned back then. If you wanted to build an online media brand you had to really believe in what you were doing to make the effort worthwhile. Blogging has always been a labor of love. That’s especially true today because everyone on social media today is their own Brand of Me. If all you do it curate an Instagram account with no other function than to show off how great a life you live, congratulations, you are your brand. It’s second nature to us now, but it used to take a lot more effort to relate your digital consciousness to an audience. That was what you used to blog for.

Now, even the most basic social media accounts can be ‘influencers‘. In fact it’s become so endemic that big name brands and their social media PR specialists have figured out that tween-age girls like to think of themselves as ‘micro-influencers’ and “hire” them to represent their brands for as little as a 30% discount on the product itself. As I mentioned in last week’s post, the barrier to entry has been reduced to almost nothing these days. But that ‘nothing’ barrier removes the process necessary to really develop one’s passions, or develop what one thinks about their beliefs. Content is king, but just calling it “content” reduces passions and ideas to a commodity. Are you a content provider or are you an ideas person?

The commodification of ideas, beliefs, imagination, creativity, etc. is really where this ‘sphere and countless others are heading. It’s not hard to start an online brand. Drop-shippers are all basically selling the same Chinese product, but the brand, the logo, the competition is all just a popularity contest now. Want to be a Red Pill dating/life coach? Just read passages from The Rational Male verbatim on a 5 minute video shot on your iPhone 7 and call it your original work. It’s not plagiarism, it’s content deliverables, right?

The easier things are to produce, the more real creativity suffers. Assuming most people in the future actually have original content to deliver, the process also makes them beholden to prioritize the production over the actual product. Blogs are not very good at that kind of prioritization. I was always amazed at how Roissy/Heartiste could produce a blog post a day right up until ‘his’ deplatforming last year. Most of those daily posts were just current event filler crap and C&P’ed comments from his threads, but in between it all there were the occasional strokes of genius. And those genius posts became fewer and fewer in the last 4 years.

I’ve never posted for the sake of posting. Traffic has never been my priority on this blog. Neither has monetization. The message of this blog and my thoughts have always taken precedent. In almost 10 years I’ve never written an essays for an audience. I put forth what I think needs to be considered and hopefully people can use that information to construct a better way of living with it. But in the coming decade pandering to an audiences’ sensibilities will be the only thing most content producers will focus. Audience engagement and content providing is already trumping any real discourse.

And this is the real hard thing to accept about Dalrock’s retirement and deleting himself; it’s 10+ years of real, passionate, ideas and necessary debate that’s been instrumental for men in understanding the state of Christianity, church culture, Red Pill awareness and so many other related issues:

When I think of the wholesale destruction of Dalrock’s work I’m reminded of how violent members of a conquering tribe/nation/religion are prone to destroy the artistic and intellectual works of the society they’ve overthrown. The first order of business is to erase the art, the ideas, the ‘gods’ of the defeated tribe, or to plagiarize the best of it and erase the rest. Burn the books, destroy the symbols, appropriate and assimilate the ideas; in the end it’s an indictment of the one who’s doing the erasing. I have no doubt that once Dalrock’s work is gone there will be ‘grave robbers’ lining up to distort what he built to fit their own narratives and provide them with content to call their own.

And all for what? Roosh has decided to erase himself recently as well. All the work he created that was so influential in the ‘sphere, now that’s traded for a new kind of nihilism. And all the usual moralist suck ups are ready to see him as the Prodigal Son. See? We were right all along. Our faith is validated and confirmed! But all the same problems that brought us to questioning that faith are still where we left them. Only now there’s no one left to point out their inconsistencies. No one’s left to identify the Blue Pill conditioning that’s prompted so many men to leave the churches. No one’s left to call bullshit! Only those grave robbers are left; the same guys who’ve been apologizing for never understanding the Blue Pill or their compromised masculinity because their faith and existence depends on it.

Blogs are dead. Long live The Rational Male.

Just to allay any concerns, no, I’m not shuttering this blog. I’m still going to be writing here and elsewhere. I’m not unpublishing anything. Maybe blogs are now a dead media, but I do my best thinking here. And yes, I fully expect some ‘coaches’ will be lifting my material to fulfill their content quotas. Just be sure to remind them where they’re sourcing it from whenever possible.

I will apologize for not posting as consistently as I have in the past, but this is mostly because I’ve been focusing on the latest book. Like I said, I don’t post for the sake of posting. I craft my essays and I don’t publish them until I think I’ve stated what I needed to state.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

429 comments on “Exit Dalrock

  1. SJF–

    Thanks so much for your comments. A brief run down of what I have done so far.

    I have had 4 iterations of my bloggin on red-pill topics.

    The courtship pledge
    Western Philosophy and Eastern Faith
    Morally Contextualized Romance
    and
    American Dad

    I have taken all of them down or made them private. I do comment here once in a while, but for some reason I gravitate to Dalrock more. And yes, I am familiar with Shawm T Smith. He and a few others of us (mental health professionals who have been impacted by red-pill thinking) actually communicate from time to time.

    The most “viral” thing I have ever been a part of was actually an article my wife wrote, in response to Laurie Alexanders tattooed/non-virgin post.

    https://russian-faith.com/family-values/i-wasnt-debt-free-virgin-marriage-heres-what-i-learned-hard-way-n1651

    Take care.

  2. dr zipper posted this URL over in Field Reports

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200121-why-promoted-women-are-more-likely-to-divorce

    It is worth reading or at least skimming. Hypergamy is demonstrated although as usual it’s a great mystery – who can fathom why a woman promoted to CEO would wind up divorced?

    This paragraph is a big tell, and ties in to Dalrock’s observations:

    “Getting a divorce doesn’t always need to be the end of the world,” says Malm, who points out that is has become normalised in Scandinavia to get married multiple times or have several long-term partners across a lifetime. “Sweden is not very religious… You get married because it’s romantic and joyful, it goes hand in hand with a big celebration. If it doesn’t work out, you know that you can file for divorce.”

    Alpha fucks, beta bucks? Right there. Serial polyandry / serial “monogamy”? Right there. “Child support” family model? Right there.

    The female mating strategy that dates back to the Neolithic? Right there, in plain sight to those who can see.

  3. I think he isnt a Christian anymore. He probably wont admit it because that would open a whole can of worms and give his enemies leverage. But it would make sense. It would be really hard to keep expounding on how the bible and the red pill agree when you really only believe the latter. Dealing with the all Christian commenters on his blog would also wear on him if that was the case.

    Notice in his goodbye post he didn’t say anything about not changing his belief in Christianity, only that his beliefs hadn’t changed in regards to feminism, chivalry, etc. He also said his family is fine, which it likely would be if they stopped going to church or privately practicing the faith.

  4. I think it is very likely he is not a Christian anymore. It is really the only explanation that makes sense. It would explain why he doesn’t want to or cant explain his reasons for deleting his blog (coming out as a non-believer would be a boon to his enemies). It also jibes with his farewell post in which he says his views on feminism and chivalry have not changed but conspicuously fails to mention Christianity.

    I’m not a Christian but always enjoyed his blog. I was a little suprised by this but if I was him I’d do the same thing.

  5. bigjohn33
    I think it is very likely he is not a Christian anymore. It is really the only explanation that makes sense.

    Why do you believe this to be true? What evidence outside of your head do you have?

    It would explain why he doesn’t want to or cant explain his reasons for deleting his blog

    I suggest you read this entry from last week.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2020/01/24/message-heard/

    Question: what difference does any of this make to you?

  6. Anonymous reader

    I (re)read the post and there is nothing in it that contradicts him not being a christian anymore. I assume you interpret him praying as synonymous with being Christan.

    I don’t really care if he is a christian or not. It makes no difference to me. I enjoyed his blog the last several years even though the commenters were largely cringe. His deleting it under vague circumstances is interesting, to say the least. If he has abandoned christianity I hope he comes back under a different pseudonym and continues writing. If not that’s fine too. I wish him well either way.

  7. Non sequiturs. No wonder you men struggle with long term relationships.

    You prefer conflict with women as you haven’t any other good sense to allow women to simply love you.

    As I wrote above, you men here get what you deserve and you can thank your BMOC Rollo for the toxicity he’s taught you.

    You men here especially Rollo write self-assured but angry and defensive. That’s a tell you are not getting it.

    1. @onceuponatime. If you spent any time here you would actually know that many men here, including Rollo, are happily married.

      There is the odd outlier like myself who is single but that is no fault of women. That is down to the choices I have made in life. I push women of value away because I know I will just dissapoint them. I cannot meet their hypergamous needs. It’s not about allowing them to love me. I am not MGTOW and I am not an angry incel. I like women very much, I’m awesome with women. I like sex and I would like to share my life with a woman but the RP has taught me to be pragmatic. Not to blame women for their in built biology but to understand them better. But also to understand myself as a man, better. It is how it is.

      The regular men here are not bitter and angry about women or life. All women are hypergamous does not equate to all women are evil and single minded whores. That is how the blue pills choose to see it. That is not what hypergamy is. It is simply a woman’s biological, sexual strategy. It’s not an insult or a label. For some reason the blue pill brigade like to ignore 200,000 years of human evolution in favour of the latest Disney movie and seeing all women as Princesses.

  8. Maybe if Christian leaders weren’t in the pockets of our biggest suppressors, we could get along, but we don’t and the Christian so-called leaders still need to be dislodged from this seat of socially accepted judgement upon the rest of a given neighborhood.

  9. ” I enjoyed his blog the last several years even though the commenters were largely cringe.

    Lol. I sympathize.

    I am an admirer of Jesus ( concept ), but his fan-club is a bit much.

  10. @Onceuponatime

    Go ahead. Put yourselves forth as the sole outfitters of loving relationships. When you fair-weathers inevitably disappoint, THEY come to US.

    Go light a candle to THAT. Go make a mound of dirt and pray on THAT.

    The only way forward is integrated.

    Chug some wine to THAT.

    Pharisees.

  11. BigJohn33
    I (re)read the post and there is nothing in it that contradicts him not being a christian anymore.

    Nor is there any evidence that he’s left. You’re just making stuff up in your head and pretending it’s reality.

    I don’t really care if he is a christian or not. It makes no difference to me. I enjoyed his blog the last several years even though the commenters were largely cringe. His deleting it under vague circumstances is interesting, to say the least.

    How do you know he is deleting it?

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2020/01/24/message-heard/

    Again, why does any of this matter to you?

  12. Non sequiturs.

    lol.

    You prefer conflict with women as you haven’t any other good sense to allow women to simply love you.

    A fine example of female solipsistic projection. Thanks!

  13. “No wonder you men struggle with long term relationships.”

    Who is this ” you men ” you speak of?

  14. Speaking of “cringe” I found the promo materials for the 22 convention. Not gonna link, but — lol. “Making women great again”? Shaking my head, and that’s not the worst slogan, either.

  15. @ Wildside

    Your reply was honest enough and you didn’t claim I was in a cabal with other women.

    Are you claiming hypergamy is my sexual strategy and as such I am singularly guided by that evolutionary condition?

  16. “For some reason the blue pill brigade like to ignore 200,000 years of human evolution in favour of the latest Disney movie and seeing all women as Princesses.”

    @Wildside

    That’s a bit of a stretch to look at it binary like it’s an either or. So you’re either see 100% of all women unable to make their own conscious choices because of biological evolution or you a simp Disney worshipping douche? Reality is not that black and white.

    I’ve known some women who will, and have cheated on their husbands, and others who even with the opportunity will not. Did I do a scientific analysis with them of every factor possible? Uh no.

    Biology plays a large role in our lives and our evolution has hard wired us. Humans do have the ability to go against the hard wired evolution. Women, like men are capable of making choices that mean they may not cheat and may not branch swing etc…. Are all like that? No. But one has to wonder what a successful marriage or LTR looks like where the woman has decided to not cheat or dump their man? Is it always 100% pure evolution? Are men and women not sentient creatures capable of making conscious decisions?

  17. “Are you claiming hypergamy is my sexual strategy and as such I am singularly guided by that evolutionary condition?”

    I don’t eat slugs. I have never eaten a slug. I don’t ever consider eating slugs at any time, and find the idea revolting….under my current circumstances.

    If my circumstances changed, or if I perceived them as changing, and I was starving or thought I was starving, I’d eat as many slugs as I could find.

    My life strategy includes not starving. I don’t do it, but I understand that I am capable of doing it.

    Women are not singularly driven by hypergamy, but never the less it is present barring some kind of developmental short coming. Upon being with a man, women do not burn out their eyes and don chastity belts, giving their loved one the key. They do not get lobotomies and seal up their ear canals.

    They still see, hear, think and feel. They are still affected by the presence and thought of other males.

    Whether or not they ever act upon these things is individual and by the degree they are acted upon in their environments. Hypergamy can be satisfied and thwarted as to virtually make it dormant.

    But dormant is not dead and gone.

  18. “They still see, hear, think and feel. They are still affected by the presence and thought of other males.”

    IOW I have 4 senses to know a man is near?

    How am I affected by the thoughts of men?

    I sorry that I’m missing the deeper meaning of your reply.

    “They are still affected by…other males.”

    Thats oddly Mutual of Omaha. Just saying.

    Treat a woman like an animal and what do you expect?

  19. ” . . . you didn’t claim I was in a cabal with other women.”

    Ah. Not a White Knight.

    “Treat a woman like an animal and what do you expect?”

    An Ethereal Princess living on sunshine and shitting rainbows.

    Well, if you have no need to keep warm, dry and fed I’m certainly not going to house and feed you. More food for the dogs and more toilet paper for me, so that works out OK.

  20. Once

    Lol. I never compare women to animals, so I’m not on your wave-length there.

    Women have 5 senses, just like men ( some folks have 6 senses, but that’s another story and time ), but men and women are different. Facts.

    ” How am I affected by the thoughts of men?

    I sorry that I’m missing the deeper meaning of your reply.

    “They are still affected by…other males.”

    Thats oddly Mutual of Omaha. Just saying.

    Treat a woman like an animal and what do you expect?”

    You’re affect by your thoughts, of men and otherwise. Every human being is and you’re no exception. Right now your thoughts are making you come off as combative. It’s like you have been ” triggered ” ( I hate that term btw, but it fits..) by TRM and the way you perceive what’s actually being said here.

    Question: Do you never notice men around you? Do you ever form opinions about the men around you? Can you discern a ” handsome ” man from one that you don’t think of as handsome? Ever been attracted to any men? More than one? More than once?

    Ever think about a man/men?

    Healthy men and women are affected by one another, negatively or positively. Most people, women included, want the most positive experiences they can muster. Some folks think ” negative ” things are ” positive “, depending on life experiences, upbringing and societal pressures. Men and women take certain cues from the opposite sex, and attraction forms. Attraction is a beast that demands to be fed at intervals. Fact. Women have evolved to always re-evaluate men they were/are attracted to when circumstances change and the attraction beast has missed a few meals. Very few humans are 100% selfless ( me included ) as it is not in our natures.

    Hypergamy is looking for a better deal or at least a reassessment when there’s that feeling that something is awry.

    Men are not as prone to operating on feelings, or at least they didn’t used to be. This means that from time to time, men and women aren’t on the same wavelength, and men usually get the sharper end of the stick because of that ignorance. There is nothing here written that degrades women in any manner, but there is a much needed discussion about the ” nature/biology ” that strikes many men as ” illogical ” initially until they get the understanding and acceptance. That’s Red Pill. It help men to understand the sexual strategies and make the playing field a bit more level.

  21. Lol.

    … I have a love/hate relationship with Minaj.

    At this point, she can keep her anaconda to herself.

  22. wait…. I’m supposed to have the anaconda. Now I gotta go look at the video. Sir Mixalot – ” my anaconda don’t want none unless you got buns hun “.

    Once, No comparison to animals made re: women.

  23. Don’t want to get I to a bot battle… For passers by

    Hypergamy is looking for a better deal or at least a reassessment when there’s that feeling that something is awry.

    Hypergamy is a reflex like the Pattelar reflex. It’s there. In the background. Waiting to respond to stimuli.

  24. I think it is very likely he is not a Christian anymore. It is really the only explanation that makes sense.
    No. There are thousands of other explanations that are entirely reasonable, aka “make sense”. He has been blogging for ten years. That’s a long time. Many ents in the sphere have disappeared through the years and gone on to other things.
    Look at the outpouring of respect and appreciation he is receiving from posters. I’d say he is leaving on a great note, particularly if he is tired, the passion is gone, or he just doesn’t have the time anymore.

    I (re)read the post and there is nothing in it that contradicts him not being a christian anymore.
    He also didn’t indicate that he doesn’t have coronavirus, or gangrene, or leprosy. Or that he wasn’t visited by space aliens.

  25. @ Yollo

    Thank you.

    @ SJF

    Scott is a regular at Dalrock, I’ve appreciated his comments there. To your question: 35 years of blue-pill behavior with a broken woman. Would really appreciate a conversation with someone who knows/has internalized more than me. I’ll post in the field reports here in the next day or two, we’ll go from there. Thanks

  26. Thank you for your replies.

    I understand better how TRM and the Rollo has formed your odd concepts of reality.

    Keep in mind that if 200000 years of evolution are indelible in women, it’s the same for men.

    @ kfg

    Why isn’t @ Blaximus still eating slugs with your 200000 year perspective? My tabby cat prefers garden mice as much as I feed him cat food.

    @ Blaximus

    You may not think you treat women like animals though you describe them such and I’d assume that ideation exposes itself in real life in other ways.

    I liked the above @ Sentient response. He doesn’t describe women as animals. He has an evolved opinion. Women are robots! Switches. That is cute too. Women are hapless robots of their libido.

    Sentient seems sweet and young men can be excused of their fanciful notions.

    Rollo isn’t helping men undetstand women basef on his commenters zoological opinion of humanity.

    Good luck men. I might be back or not. I allow myself to choose that.

  27. “My tabby cat prefers garden mice as much as I feed him cat food.”

    My tortoise shell would settle for mice, but had a particular penchant for voles for some reason.

    “I allow myself to choose that.”

    If you simply do as you wish you can get rid of that self imposed master on your back.

  28. “Treat a woman like an animal and what do you expect?”

    Okay, so we have a cat lady wanting to discuss animals and how we treat women. I’ve reflected much over the past several weeks how I’ve treated this girl I’ve had an LTR with. I sometimes masterfully had a pack of dynamite explode in my face. Other times I’ve overdosed the dread so much that her anxiety levels were out of control. I was clumsy that way. Eventually I realized that walking into a bar or restaurant with her caused enough dread based on the looks of other people. She commented enough about it. I had overplayed so many red pill tactics. The art of being subtle is something to admire after this introspection.

    All this comes after a close call with the grim reaper back in the Autumn. My ER visit was a huge wake up call. It may seem cliche, but it had a major impact on my life. Existential experiences like that do crazy shit to you when the lights go out and it feels like a screwdriver is stabbing your chest and your kids are holding your hand hoping you regain consciousness.

    So here I am, still alive and kicking.

    Time is our most precious asset. Whatcha going to do with it? Live with dignity? Treat people decently like humans? Treat them like animals? Fuck toys?

    I’ve had plenty of one night stands, not a single one was very satisfying. Sure the chase is often fun, but the fucking from ONS is fleeting. This animal thing resonates with me as I look back some of the things I’ve done like spinning plates while still maintaining a thread of this LTR as I abused the relationship so badly. It was fucked up. Much of what I did was a balm for my ego. If we continue to treat women like they are our pets they will eventually be trained to react and behave like a pet. Is that what you want? I’ve got a friend who I’ve very carefully managed to not fuck because she is too much of a hot mess. At one point she shared with me how she would like to be paid to be a pet fuck toy for a rich guy. Dress, act and play like a cat. Be a sugarbaby cute fuck toy for some daddy. We could have rolled with that right after we finished our coffee. Is that what we want, pointing our women to their litter box and training them like a Pavlov creation?

    Now don’t get me wrong, I still enjoy Fleezer’s posts and there is a lot of fun to be had in the sack. Let’s not confuse some fun play in the bedroom with ropes, neck ties and cuffs with treating women like animals though. I do luuvvvv to hear her purrr.

    Where is the dignity is treating your girlfriend or wife like an animal?

    Is this all coming off too blue pill for ya? Is me dominating her in the bedroom and watching her freak out as women look at us walk in a restaurant seem like I’m beta chump? Not sure if I give too many fucks if you think I’ve fallen off the wagon here. Maybe I have, maybe I’m just evolving based on life experiences. I do know one thing, I look at people differently now and everyday I see the sunrise is a good day.

  29. I’m reposting this from the last post as I doubt you’d see it there and it’s still relevant here I feel, albeit disjointed. It’s a bit of a long read, so I recommend most don’t try unless they’ve got time.

    Rollo Tomassi, the digital age has ruined us. Culture and pop culture today moves at an alarming rate, what was hip now won’t be in the next year or month, society has never moved this fast and as a result the new way is merely a day away from being the old way. The demon’s out of the ring now, no turning back, and there’s no real way to deal with the modern age.

    If you are not born into greatness, or utilizing the vast knowledge of the net to surpass everyone and stay there, you get nothing. It’s now the same way with women, previously, our worlds were smaller and hypergamy wasn’t as out of control. There were checks and balances, God and church being two of them, shame was a motivator for keeping women in check as they don’t understand loyalty like men. Now, they have infinite access to all top men, with upwards access to all jobs, and no reprecussions for acting in their very best interests and base instincts at all times. This shrinks the dating pool dramatically to only a few desirable mates because they value themselves so highly. So, if you’re not a natural at flirting with women, or learned how to do it through you and the many other “red pill” men out there AND CAN KEEP THAT ON 24/7 WHILE DOING IT BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, you will get nothing or lose what you have.

    It’s almost all risk no reward for modern men unless you’re alpha”, and even then you’re not safe. Women will always want more and better, so if you’re not constantly 100% on at all times, you lose. If Jeff Bezos and Johnny Depp aren’t safe despite their fame and fortune, what does that say for everybody else? It’s exasperating as a modern man, you have to be and do too much to compete on the global market, as a man younger than you I don’t know if you can understand how daunting it is to have to be everything all at once and it STILL not being enough. You can’t even stay established anymore, if you’re not constantly putting out content, you fall to nothing again and have to start from scratch.

    Your competition as a red pilled man, are other men armed with this knowledge, and it will get harder as time goes on with more men are forced to adapt this way of thinking or give up entirely. The new system forces you to constantly adapt faster, and better than all of your peers, or die instantly. There is no rest, no reprieve, no time to catch your breath, either you constantly innovate and improve on the new or you simply don’t eat. I cannot understand how this can keep up when this new “enlightened” era leaves the majority of the male sex in the dumpster.

    That being said, without men such as you or Dalrock, established constant fonts of content for this, the kind of thing men need to hear, there will be no direction for men in the coming years. Yes, someone might come along eventually to replace you and the groups you represent, the thought even, but the men like you are very much buoys and lighthouses to keep those of us drifting in the digital age’s ocean from sinking. Without that, we’re all absolutely lost. Without guys like you, it’ll be even harder to aggregate that information and even try to compete or establish relevance. So the destruction of Dalrock’s work means setting those of us who wish to live and fight for a better life back several years, which none of us can afford. Many of us have learned partly, or greatly from you and men like you, whether that’s connecting the dots or having the entire mind opened. So wether or not he wants to delete everything, his work must press on for every one of us who wants a chance to survive in this.

  30. Roused

    pointing our women to their litter box and training them like a Pavlov creation?

    If you don’t train them they will train you.

    Is this all coming off too blue pill for ya? Is me dominating her in the bedroom and watching her freak out as women look at us walk in a restaurant seem like I’m beta chump? Not sure if I give too many fucks if you think I’ve fallen off the wagon here. Maybe I have, maybe I’m just evolving based on life experiences. I do know one thing, I look at people differently now and everyday I see the sunrise is a good day.

    It comes off as a guy who has Hand in the relationship, a level of mastery in his LTR and is now thinking “why is this soooo hard for guys?” You are in a place where you can afford these thoughts, now. But the road that got you there required different actions.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/reclusive-woman-eaten-by-pet-cats-as-body-lay-undiscovered-in-home-8759326.html

  31. @Jack

    Your text suggests depression and / or fatalism. Do you have any action items to suggest? Are you just hoping someone will talk you out of the mood you are in? Or are you just handing out black pills?

    What point are you trying to make?

  32. “It comes off as a guy who has Hand in the relationship, a level of mastery in his LTR and is now thinking “why is this soooo hard for guys?” You are in a place where you can afford these thoughts, now. But the road that got you there required different actions.”

    @Sentient

    I must have really screwed up my delivery on that. Which is actually something I’ve been working on lately so I make fewer ultimatums and figure out how to get better at what I want to share.

    I did make reference to the dynamite exploding in my face, you got that part right? I’ve had hand as you say, but also overplayed my hand too many times and too much. Subtlety is sometimes all that is needed. I’ve learned that the hard way, not the easy way.

    By no means at all did I intend to come off as “why is this soooo hard.” Far from it. I think it can be very difficult for some guys. Currently I’m struggling myself, thus the introspection.

    You’re still looking at this as humans are just animals. It’s train them or be trained. Have you ever learned anything from your wife? Has any married guy on here learned anything from his wife? Do you have to train them or be trained? That comes off almost fearful. Without coming off as an equalist, which is I am not, it’s fair to say that in life men and women can learn from each other. Does your wife have you trained to not leave the toilet seat up? Or do you do it as a common courtesy? Or maybe you leave it up all the time and the bitch can just deal with it. Does she have your trained to help her with something heavy that she can’t lift, or do you do it so that you work together as a team? Did you have to train her to prepare dinner? Or does she do so because she adores you and enjoys the work?

    Binary thinking limits us to 2 options. Humans are far far more messy creatures than simply being binary.

  33. I’ve learned a great many things from women over the years, and I’ve learned a few things from my wives.

    Lol, but I’m still in charge of the relationship.

    My being in charge doesn’t put my wife at any disadvantage at all. It doesn’t mean she isn’t ” allowed ” to contribute. In fact, there have been times when I’ve decided it was mandatory that she contribute. She’s capable, or I would have never considered marrying her in a billion years.

    Training a wife isn’t at all fearful. It’s the smart thing to do to avoid issues in the long run. If she resists training, then you are making a miscalculation by continuing the relationship.

    Toilet seats? Lol. I get it. I grew up with 3 sisters, but I figured out after hearing them complain that they ” fell into ” the toilet because the seat was raised. So let’s say it was a courtesy on my part, but even as a youngster I understood that men are supposed to look out for women, not because they are special or princesses or fully equal, but because they are women and I am a man. I didn’t look for anything in return, not even a ” thanks “.

    My wives cook for me because they were chosen in part, for having that ability. They demonstrate that they like to please me and help nourish me, and they were trained by me to grasp that this was a requirement and expectation that needed to be fulfilled. It did not take long drawn out endless discussions to accomplish this. No ultimatums or threats.

    Thing is, after guys spend decades with a woman, if they’ve done the ” work ” and due diligence at the very start of the relationship, there’s no need to keep at it if there is a large quantity of compliance. I’d speculate that my wives went through approximately 12 months of Boot Camp, lol, to understand what it is I expected/wanted, and whether or not they were willing to comply, wanted to comply, or thought I was worth it. I think it is a bad look to start a relationship without communicating and demonstrating what the frame of the relationship is.

    A man must lead. It’s supposed to be included in the DNA somewhere. It doesn’t at all mean that women are inconsequential – exactly the opposite is true. It’s a cooperative effort, complimentary as Rollo has said.

    If one fully grasps the intended goal(s) it assists in not allowing for being overbearing.

    I’m old school. My wife and kids are, for lack of a better descriptor, ” mine “. My responsibility. These are the people I would run into a burning building for without hesitation. They are the ones I provide for without a second thought. I do not require appreciation as much as I require cooperation voluntarily.

    Imo, these things have fallen by the wayside. The whole 50/50 aspect of relationships is the order of the day, and that’s a bad formula overall. It renders men as replaceable by any random dude.

    It’s like with almost any interaction between people, calibration is required. A ” husband ” isn’t just a label slapped on a guy that is going through a defined set of motions.

  34. @Onceuponatime

    I notice you haven’t mentioned me. You don’t have A THING to say to me. You fraud.

  35. Mind you I meant an integrated perspective. In fact that’s the only actual sort of integration anyway.

  36. @Onceuponatime

    Believe me when I tell you that you have absolutely NO IDEA what I’m talking about.

  37. OT response to Rollo on Twitter:

    “This is the level animation artists were capable of without computers in 1988.”

    Akira was produced using computer animation mapping. The cells were hand drawn, but the scenes were blocked on computer. The standard for quality in animation remains, after all these years, 1937’s Snow White. Few can match it, never mind exceed it, and of those that do they were probably made by Disney Studios and produced by Walt.

    Note that the scene where the queen drinks a potion is shot in 3D, entirely hand drawn and without any computer aids used in the production.

  38. Women are predatory only when they relinquish or are stripped of their dignity.

    Women are feral by default, which means that they are predatory and lack dignity by default. Women only gain dignity after being civilized through training.

    You have a lot to learn.

  39. @ kfg

    “If you simply do as you wish you can get rid of that self imposed master on your back.”

    What you describe as subjected, the reasonable world describes as self discipline.

    I notice a pattern here. Young men desiring sex without a sense of personal discipline. Blax writes as a mature man (though rambles as if he’s in a barbershop).

    @ Blax

    You wrote you don’t treat women as animals and soon after wrote about training women like animals. You see? From a woman’s perspective, you aren’t calibrating (using your word) women as women. You calibrate women as you want them to be.

    Women (amd men) dislike overbearing people. Learn that young kfg and you might find love. The Rollo will not tell you this.

    P.S. @ Yollo Comanche

    You write needfully. It is a sign of immaturity.

  40. @Onceuponatime

    Everyone’s got needs. Especially YOU Frankenstein. The fact you criticize need is a sign of your undeath.

  41. “What you describe as subjected, the reasonable world describes as self discipline.”

    That’s OK, I didn’t expect you to understand.

    “Young men . . .”

    I believe the correct line these days is “OK Boomer.” In my time it would have been “Whatever you say, Gramps.” The texting generation is economical with syllables and even letters.

  42. As a side note I am amused that Gen Z applies “OK Boomer” to Gen X, the supreme Boomer hating generation, because I warned them that this would happen and they replied, “OK Boomer.”

  43. @ Blaximus

    Explain.

    To the others, education is for the audience not the instructor. Tailor your message to educate others, not your manly self-rightiousness.

    You comprehend my words. Yet you are amazed I don’t comprehend yours. Whose fault is that? My inability or femininity?

    Feel free to accuse me as I would not be one bit surprised. Remind yourselves as internet masculinity experts, you are being judged, not me.

    Subject yourself to that idea and see where it takes you.

  44. @Onceuponatime

    You’re the only one here saying “If you disagree, you’re immature”. We let you talk but you don’t talk. You profess. You apparently refuse to have a conversation.

    Then conveniently you wait til we point it out and then you get to call US self-righteous.

    I graduated the convent man. Psychological manipulation is a charge you can absolve YOURSELF of. Just ask us questions about what we know.

    If you DO NOT. Then you are a hypocrite. Simple as.

    Would you like to open a discussion?

  45. @Onceuponatime

    Ah shit, I just saw where you asked. No problem them.I’ll let Blax explain it to you for the moment. I’ll throw in anything else I think needs reviewing.

    And thank you for asking. Perhaps you will learn that we aren’t who you might think we are.

  46. ” Tailor your message to educate others, not your manly self-rightiousness.

    Manly self-righteousness is my thing.

    “You comprehend my words. Yet you are amazed I don’t comprehend yours. Whose fault is that? My inability or femininity?”

    In this instance, it’s your defensiveness. That’s not femininity.

    ” Feel free to accuse me as I would not be one bit surprised. Remind yourselves as internet masculinity experts, you are being judged, not me.”

    Yes, I feel very free and no one can judge me but God(s).

    …. and he’s got my back.

  47. The Bible, and genuine Christian theology, are very adherent to the reality, of men-women differences as well as any other.

    The fact is that like there are misinterpretations, and lying, within the red pill community, so there are within Christian theology and the Church.

    Where the Bible tells the man he will love his wife, it doesn’t even attempt to tell the wife she will love his husband. She will be respectful, and obedient, is said, she won’t love him.
    That’s just one example, although it could be seen as being more than enough in itself.

  48. @kfg

    When Gen Z get old, the younger generations will call them “Ok Zoomer”.
    They’ll get what they deserve :D.

  49. For someone who has been in “the game” since the Mystery / Style / David D days, I am hard pressed to find fresh conversation on these topics in #currentyear.

    Before there was usenet, Yahoo! groups, message boards and now nothing. With the deplatforming and self censorship where has discussion moved to? With RSD/RooshVForum and many others shuttered is there anywhere people openly and honestly talk about this stuff aside from keyboard jockies on Reddit?

    As a male nearing 40 it’s nice to see and hear stories from guys still out there killing it and have conversation on how to handle the every evolving marketplace.

    It suddenly feels like everyone is quitting and fewer of us left. Yes there are always a new wave of guys finding out about this stuff but a quick look at /r/seduction shows it’s make a full circle to frustrated beta males with little to no experienced commenters anymore.

    I get that you should be out in the field, but it’s nice to hear war stories or get insight on the latest tips and tricks that material from a decade ago is severely outdated.

    Is there anywhere left?

    1. @Broadband. I believe this is the only genuine refuge left. There are hundreds of pickup, RP and MGTOW youtube channels but they are just regurgitating TRM and trying to make a quick buck off Rollo’s body of work.

      I like Donovan Sharpe. I watch him for entertaiment. He’s a funny guy. He’s like the Dr Disrespect of the RP. His selling point is he picks up articles from the media and he then critiques said articles from an RP perspective. He has some really good insights and pumps out a shit load of free content on youtube. But again it’s a business and that’s how he makes money. OK, he’s not RSD and he does not try to exploit his subs but it is still a business.

  50. Cmhi

    “The Bible, and genuine Christian theology, are very adherent to the reality, of men-women differences as well as any other.

    The fact is that like there are misinterpretations, and lying, within the red pill community, so there are within Christian theology and the Church.

    Where the Bible tells the man he will love his wife, it doesn’t even attempt to tell the wife she will love his husband. She will be respectful, and obedient, is said, she won’t love him.
    That’s just one example, although it could be seen as being more than enough in itself.”

    Could it be that the scholars that wrote the bible understood that men and women love differently? Men love with what they can give,while Women love what they can get.

  51. The ” scholars ” that wrote the bible that’s widely used wrote from their understanding of translations, not from experience of any kind.

    Translations are tricky things.

    There are numerous examples of women loving men in the bible, but one can pull whateva they want to from the word based solely on their understanding, what they are taught by man, and there own experience.

    Women aren’t the enemy. Not even ” eve “.

  52. Rollo you should start a twitter super bowl bracket for the commercials based on the number of times and the degree of, that hypergamy, solipsism , fempowerment, misogyny, and such are displayed.

  53. Best Superbowl halftime show in years. So what if it’s basically the Latin Grammys?
    Frankly have been partial to little Shakira for some years anyways.

  54. Worst halftime show ever, the dancers were selected for their obesity to promote the “new beautiful’ while at the same time not to outshine the two thunderthighed main attractions. The coriographer jacked the dance from the Maoris of NZ.

    First black dancer pole I have seen. It looked like they had to rush to hold it up once she got moving.

  55. “Best Superbowl halftime show in years. So what if it’s basically the Latin Grammys?
    Frankly have been partial to little Shakira for some years anyways.”

    There is no accounting for preferences. Sounded like drywall day on a residential construction site in any boomtown USA.

  56. “Wasn’t had for a 40+ and 50+ year old duo.

    They all don’t disintegrate into a pile of wrinkles after 25.”

    Don’t be fooled by the makeup , I could post a couple videos for you on foundation for beauty if I thought it would help.

  57. Thunder thighed? 😂😂

    Lemme guess, you’re a throwback fan of shapeless chicks with ribcages showing and legs with thighs and calves of the same circumference, right?

    Tell me, for shits and giggles, what or who would you have liked to have seen?

  58. https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/8L_W7LhxdDzGnV1bv6lo52ilUG8/fit-in/1024×1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2014/12/02/001/n/1922398/1a0d5d7a59d15fd5_148021344_10/i/Hot-Shakira-Pictures.jpg

    Old ” thunder thighs “.

    O/t

    During the halftime show I reminded all the happy party attending women dancing around that there are giant swaths of the country changing the channel because ” too different “.

    Meh, whatever.

  59. Oh, and for the record, I’m not that dude that’s ever fooled by makeup. Ever seen my posts about makeup over the years?

    I mean, I get that you don’t like the music or the people performing. Good time for a bathroom break. You think all 40 and 50 year olds are pretty much done after a particular age, and I have a different opinion based on what I see. Everyone isn’t obese ( too many are though. Way too many ) and ever 50 year old woman isn’t hobbled somehow ( I’m married to one ).

    The Superbowl was held in Miami. My personal opinion was that shakira and j-lo were a bit long in the tooth for that gig, but I wasn’t overcome with a mind full of negatives. Demographics. The NFL is not fully unaware.

    Again, whatever.

  60. @Wahoo

    Ok so you don’t have to believe the hype and go eat chicken and burgers to look like that and have your own obese reenactment of the Zion rave from the Matrix movies.

    You can go jogging instead. And walk your dog and brew your own beer.

    Now when they start implying you should look like them, THEN you can laugh and call them fat and point fingers.

    There’s all kinds of shit wrong with sheep. No matter the shade of their wool.

  61. @Blax

    She’d be prettier with bigger boobs. maybe she plays with them in the shower? A couple years of malts will up her game. Hehe.

  62. Yollo
    She’d be prettier with bigger boobs.

    Shakira is 5’2″, and in at least one of her tunes refers to her breasts as “humble”, so no boob job in her future, because she doesn’t care and has other … assets. Read her bio sometimes, it’s interesting – the middle eastern influences are obvious when she dances. Other influences show up when she yodels.

    Her first husband was a lawyer from Argentina – she’s from Colombia – and the tune “Whenever, wherever” is generally accepted as a love song to him. They were married for more than three years, maybe 5. No children.

    Now she’s married to a Spanish soccer player. Two children.

    Both Lopez and Shakira bios offer some insight into women, if a man has The Glasses on.

  63. Wahoo McDaniels
    There is no accounting for preferences. Sounded like drywall day on a residential construction site in any boomtown USA.

    Lol, nah. No tubas or accordians were abused last night. Lopez is Puerto Rican and Shakira is Colombian. Drywall day means Mexican corridas, conjunto, etc. plus some Spanish language rap, like Pitbull. Not much of that last night.

    Superbowl halftime is generally about aging pop / rock stars appealing to the kind of audience that’s cocooned in a house party, not the singles out at the bar or club. Demographics matter.

    Shakira’s vids are IMO more honest about female nature than many from North America.
    This vid is from about 10 years back. Productin values are so-so. But. Married / LTR men should pay attention with a pair of The Glasses on. Especially as women get even more “empowered”.

  64. @Blax

    I wonder how many times I’ve met a suave “enlightened” man who finally got game and landed his “Aloof, distant, princess” only to cheat on her with the Barmaid.

    Princesses can have Tits too y’know? She should consider it a hedge against my Hypergamy.

  65. “Superbowl halftime is generally about aging pop / rock stars appealing to the kind of audience that’s cocooned in a house party . . .”

    The first celebrity guest singer was Carol Channing. Kansas City Chiefs won the game.

  66. ” it’s interesting – the middle eastern influences are obvious when she dances. Other influences show up when she yodels.”

    Born on 2 February 1977 in Barranquilla, Colombia, she is the only child of William Mebarak Chadid and Nidia Ripoll Torrado Her paternal grandparents emigrated from Lebanon to New York City, where her father was born.[8][9][10][11] Her father then immigrated to Colombia at age 5. The name Shakira (Arabic: شاكرة‎) is Arabic for “grateful”, the feminine form of the name Shakir (Arabic: شاكر‎). From her mother, she has Spanish (Catalan and Castilian)[12][13] and Italian[14] ancestry. She was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools.[15] She has eight older half-siblings from her father’s previous marriage.[16] Shakira spent much of her youth in Barranquilla, a city located on the northern Caribbean coast of Colombia, and wrote her first poem, titled “La Rosa De Cristal/The Crystal Rose”, when she was only four years old. As she was growing up, she was fascinated watching her father writing stories on a typewriter, and asked for one as a Christmas gift. She got that typewriter at the age of seven, and has continued writing poetry since then. These poems eventually evolved into songs. When Shakira was two years old, an older half-brother was killed in a motorcycle accident; six years later, at the age of eight, Shakira wrote her first song, titled “Tus gafas oscuras/Your dark glasses”, which was inspired by her father, who for years wore dark glasses to hide his grief.[17]

  67. “Lol, nah. No tubas or accordians were abused last night. Lopez is Puerto Rican and Shakira is Colombian. Drywall day means Mexican corridas, conjunto, etc. plus some Spanish language rap, like Pitbull. Not much of that last night.”

    Lol.

    Wahoo thinks everyone speaking Spanish is the same.

  68. People leave, people die, people say “enough” and walk away from something all the time. But it’s disturbing that Dalrock would put in 10 serious years and now contemplate hitting some nuclear “delete” button. Maybe just bowing to some external circumstance? Or could he be renouncing his work, or perhaps something even more central?

  69. AR

    “Shakira’s vids are IMO more honest about female nature than many from North America.
    This vid is from about 10 years back. Productin values are so-so. But. Married / LTR men should pay attention with a pair of The Glasses on. Especially as women get even more “empowered”.”

    Church. Let he who has ears, hear. Lol.

    Lyric sample from She Wolf –

    S-O-S she is in disguise
    S-O-S she is in disguise
    There’s a she wolf in disguise,
    Coming out, coming out, coming out

    A domesticated girl that’s all you ask of me
    Darling it is no joke, this is lycanthropy
    Moon’s awake now, with eyes wide open
    My body is craving, so feed the hungry

    I’ve been devoting myself to you
    Monday to Monday
    And Friday to Friday
    Not getting enough retribution
    Or decent incentives to keep me at it
    Starting to feel just a little abused
    Like a coffee machine in an office (ahoo)
    So I’m gonna go somewhere closer
    To get me a lover and tell you about it

    Sitting across the bar, staring right at her prey
    It’s going well so far, she’s gonna get her way
    Nocturnal creatures are not so prudent,
    The moon’s my teacher, and I’m her student

    To locate the single man
    I’ve got on me a special radar,
    And the fire department’s hot line
    in case I get in trouble later
    Not looking for cute little divas
    Or rich city guys that just want to enjoy
    I’m having a very good time
    and behave very bad in the arms of a boy

  70. Lol, there sure is a difference in the phrasing/translation.

    I’d have to listen a few more times, but the last sentence says something to the effect of ” let her eat the neighborhood /city before you go to sleep”.

    A bit more ominous in Spanish.

    Aight, enough of her now. Lol.

  71. Onceuponatime says: “You get what you deserve in life. Now cry me a river.”

    What an idiotic idea. Apparently every toddler ever molested, deserved it, and if they were abused to death after being molested, then they must have been just a horrendously evil toddler. Oh the foolishness some people must stoop to, to ignore a just yet merciful God who will make all things right in the afterlife, after having tested people’s faithfulness.

  72. Cmhi,
    Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

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