Transitioning

As most of my readers know I’m presently editing the final draft of my third book. A very large part, almost a third, of this new book will be dedicated to Red Pill Parenting. I’ve written several series-posts about parenting from a Red Pill perspective and I felt it was an important enough topic to deserve a category itself in my sidebar links. I’ve expanded significantly upon these essays in the book as well as adding more material and some general advice for Red Pill aware men in their parenting efforts.

One thing I’m asked of from men who are Red Pill aware fathers is what to look out for and what to apply themselves to in raising a son or daughter using a Red Pill Lens. While prospectively it will give women some parenting insights, I’ve written this section with the intent of informing men about what they can expect from a feminine-primary social bent on conditioning a man’s children to assimilate to a Blue Pill mindset.

Without giving too much away, I’ve tried to express the dangers of a system of feminine-primary acculturation that contributes to what we term ‘Blue Pill Conditioning’ in the manosphere. What defines a ‘Blue Pill‘ mindset means different things to different men, but what conditions him to literally think, and invest his ego into that feminine-primary identification is initiated at a very early age. One thing I think gets lost on guys becoming Red Pill aware is just how much of his very natural-feeling sense of self is the result of a conditioning that’s taken the better part of his lifetime to develop in him.

The main reason I began developing a Red Pill parenting dialog is because it’s vitally necessary for Red Pill fathers – really any father with a sense of conventional masculinity – to come to terms with how his sons’ and daughters’ upbringing will be defined by what I call ‘The Village’ in the book. I coined this from the popular meme that “it takes a village to raise a child”, and the Village we have today is one that is dead set on instilling and normalizing a state of deliberate gender confusion – and hopefully perpetuate that state into a person’s adulthood.

The Village

This Village is a catch-all term and I mean to have it represent all of the influences a child receives in its upbringing that contributes to its Blue Pill sense of self. This includes the influences of media, popular entertainment, academia, their pre and grammar school education, popular culture that actively seeks to instill its own ideological base, etc. These are fairly recognizable sources of the Village’s systemic influence, but it’s also important to understand that this influence will be reinforced by your child’s peers, their Village family and relatives.

‘The Village’ will raise your kids if you don’t. You will be resisted, you will be ridiculed, you will be accused of every thought-crime to the point of being dragged away to jail for imparting Red Pill awareness to them (in the future I expect it to be equated with child abuse). The Village will teach your boys from the most impressionable ages (5 years old) to loath their maleness, to feel shame for being less perfect than girls and to want to remake their gender-identity more like girls – to the point that transitioning their gender to girls’ will be the norm.

The Village will raise your daughters to perpetuate the same cycle that devalues conventional masculinity, the same cycle that considers a father’s presence as superfluous and their sacrifices as granted expectations. It will raise your daughters to over-inflate their sense of worth with unmerited confidence at the expense of boys as their foils. It will teach them to openly embrace Hypergamy as their highest personal authority (publicly and privately) and to disrespect anything resembling masculinity to be less than some silly anachronism or reverse it into being all about men’s insecurities.

The good news is that for all of these efforts in social engineering, the Feminine Imperative is still confounded by basic biology and the psychological firmware evolved into us over millennia. That basic root reality is your greatest advantage as a father. If there’s one underlying truth upon which to base your parenting it’s this; children are still motivated by evolved influences that are relatively predictable. Begin from the root truth that we evolved our psychology and our behaviors from intergender complementarity that made us the preeminent species on this planet. It takes a global Village to distort this by teaching failed notions of egalitarian equalism.

Useful Tools – Blue Pill Fathers

Although the Village would assert its influence to be the primary one in your child’s life, and although it would have women believe that father’s are both necessary when convenient and superfluous, father’s are not without their uses. The Feminine Imperative (by way of the social system of the Village) needs fathers to help reinforce its feminine-primary influence in their children’s lives. Thus, Blue Pill fathers must also carry the feminine-primary water in their parenting. They must be taught to believe that parenting a daughter is preferable to parenting a son:

I realize that everything I could do with a boy I can do with my daughters (i.e. play basketball, teach them how to throw a punch, and play in the dirt). Yes, I know that’s a big fat “duh” for many of you, but I’m a recovering knucklehead with minimal relapses, so please humor me. And yes, I’m going to teach them much more than those three things – but I promise you that I will teach them those three things.

The Feminine Imperative needs men to constantly reaffirm the fallacies of egalitarian equalism, but it is The Village that needs a father to instill them into the minds of their own flesh and blood as well as those of other fathers. The meme is always a pretense of gender-neutral equity, but the latent purpose is one of devaluing the very existence of boys, and, by extension, conventional masculinity.

And this is the crux of the effort to enlist fathers in the system of the Village; masculinity and maleness are always portrayed as problems to be solved – the solution always being more feminine identification. The main goal of the Village is to destroy and redefine conventional masculinity in a way that only benefits the feminine.

I realize that being “girly” is just a myth. What does that mean, anyway? Would my kid be less girly if she dressed up as Spider-Man for Halloween instead of a princess? (and that’s exactly what she did, by the way). Would she be less girly if she wanted to tackle little boys on the football field instead of taking ballet classes? Not to me.

This is precisely the degree of gender obfuscation the Village requires fathers to endorse. The squid ink here is the idea that masculine and feminine, boys & girls, male and female are all one, undifferentiated whole; in fact the old ideas of gender differences that brought the human race to where it is today, we are taught, were nothing more than “myths”. The underlying note is that girls are the functional equals of boys, but girls have the social and sexual advantage of being female.

The social narrative of the Village, the one it needs fathers to internalize and parrot back, is one of Fempowerment, but simultaneously one of male disempowerment. The idea then evolves into a sense of conventional masculinity being a defect of men; men are just unperfected women who are in need of women (or their daughters’) innate correction.

The idea here is that men with daughters make for better men” as defined by the Feminine Imperative and approved by The Village. What Red Pill fathers need to acknowledge in this that their sons will be taught that their maleness is inherently flawed. All of the attributes and evolved instincts that make him a boy will be connected with his masculinity being “toxic”.

“Toxic Masculinity” or “Hyper-masculinity” are common tropes in the Village. We’ve gotten to a point that any form of traditional, conventionally masculine behaviors are now equated with a character flaw in men. So thoroughly has the Village distorted the old books definition of manhood that anything resembling a characteristically masculine behavior is, by default, an act of ‘hyper’ or “over-the-top” masculinity. This, of course, makes characterizing those acts as toxic, or ridiculous.

The Preferred Gender

In my essay, Environmental Stresses I added this quote from the book The Red Queen:

Contrary to popular belief a preference for boys over girls is not universal. Indeed, there is a close relationship between social status and the degree to which sons are preferred. Laura Betzig of the University of Michigan noticed that, in feudal times, lords favored their sons, but peasants were more likely to leave possessions to daughters. While their feudal superiors killed or neglected daughters or banished them to convents, peasants left them more possessions: Sexism was more a feature of elites than of the unchronicled masses.

[…]Lower down the social scale, daughters are preferred even today: A poor son is often forced to remain single, but a poor daughter can marry a rich man. In modern Kenya, Mukogodo people are more likely to take daughters than sons to clinics for treatment when they are sick, and therefore more daughters than sons survive to the age of four. This is rational of the Mukogodo parents because their daughters can marry into the harems of rich Samburu and Maasai men and thrive, whereas their sons inherit Mukogodo poverty. In the calculus of Trivers-Willard, daughters are better grandchildren-production devices than sons.

These quotes are a part of a much more in depth look at how both environmental and social stresses contribute to a ‘preferred gender’ dynamic in both animal populations and human social structure. As I was reviewing this book recently it hit me how western cultures have blatantly been endorsing ‘female’ as the preferred gender for the past 60-70 years now.

I realize this assertion grates on popular culture’s sensibilities when it comes to gender, but as I stated in that essay, at no other time in human history has it been more advantageous to be female than today. Whether you want to argue that assertion from socioeconomic, education, gender identity, social ‘progress’ or any other metric, women in this era enjoy a condition that places their sex as the primary one in terms of social advantage. Women today live in a social condition that advantages, ensures their relative successes and directly or indirectly provisions for their personal security while simultaneously seeking to handicap being male and ridiculing the conventionally masculine.

In many a prior essay I’ve made the assertion that this effort in feminizing boys – in “perfecting” them with feminization – has been a long effort in social engineering. And while I still believe this is true, I think that in recent years the adaptive response to this preferred gender dynamic for Blue Pill fathers, men and boys is now an effort in socially engineering boys to imagine their gender identity as being transitionable to that of girls. Needles to say this push for gender self-reassignment has been embraced by the Village.

Olivia loves Disney’s Frozen princesses, all things sparkly, bright tights and ballet. During her family’s Cuban vacation last summer, she danced in the children’s “mini-disco” before the evening shows, twirling and leaping across the stage. One night another guest turned to her parents, exclaiming, “Your daughter is the girliest girl I’ve ever seen!”

Olivia was born a boy.

She “socially transitioned” from male to female, in nursery school last year. She was four years old.

Today, she attends kindergarten at a Montreal primary school. Only her teachers and the school board know she is transgender, for now.

Olivia (not her real name to protect her identity) is part of a growing phenomenon that is being celebrated but which is also raising strong emotions: an increasing number of children as young as preschoolers appearing at gender identity-clinics across the country, convinced they are of the opposite sex.

The new push to normalize transgender acceptance relies solely on the presumption that gender identity is a social construct rather than influenced by biological, and evolved psychological dynamics inherent in both sexes. The idea again comes back to the egalitarian presumption of a blank-slate equalism and a rejection of gender as a binary determination. Yet in over 90% of transgender identity shifts we see it is boys who opt to “become” female in their self-reassignment. Left to their own non-abstract decision making – and reinforced by Blue Pill parents and the Village – boys will, in the binary, shift to a female / feminine gender identity in overwhelmingly greater numbers than girls shifting to a male / masculine identity.

I would argue that this greater transgender preference for boys is a direct result of the Preferred Gender dynamic and reinforced by the Village conditioning boys for it while normalizing the idea of it in a larger cultural respect. This is the next step in cultural feminization of boys and men that began in the touchy-feely days of men needing to “get in touch with their feminine sides.”

It is no longer enough for boys just to be educated in a feminine-correct manner. It is no longer enough to teach them to despise the gender they were born into, “hoping their penises will fall off”, and it’s no longer enough to condition them to defer to girl’s perfectness. Boys must literally be transitioned to be girls from as young an age as 4 years old.

This is the degree to which the Village and the Feminine Imperative will go to condition future men into a Blue Pill mindset. I outline this in the upcoming book, but this is vitally important for Red Pill fathers to understand because these will be the ‘boys’ they may eventually need to mentor and unplug from their very early psychological damage. Many voices in the manosphere call this damage child abuse and it’s easy to understand why; this damage works on a boy’s most intimate part of his sense of self.

Red Pill fathers need to recognize this perversion of conventional masculinity for what it is and protect their sons (as well as daughters) from it while still anticipating the fall that will result from the “men” this re-engineering of gender will create.

 

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Just Saying
Just Saying
4 years ago

She “socially transitioned” from male to female, in nursery school last year. She was four years old. In a large part things like this are why Trump won – people are tired of non-sense like this, and frankly it sickens me to no end. His parents (?) should be beaten – he’s a boy and too danged young to know what that means – probably due to not having a real father – or having a male-thing that acts effeminate so he doesn’t have a real male roll-model. This is why I do so well in today’s world – I’m… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
4 years ago

@Anonymous Reader, it’s the norm now for girls to party through college, then for the next few years afterwards. They say they want to marry, but it’s mostly “someday” which means at age 29.99. I see grad student and post doc girls in the 22 to 28 age group all the time with a mix of defiant “my way! ME!” and growing desperation. A lot of them have deeply inculcated the idea that bitchiness is the way of the “strong and independent” girl, so they are harder to approach and frankly not necessarily worth it for any LTR. Girls need… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Idk too much about what they see going on in gyms or wherever.” The scale is relative to the male population. Guys who lift regularly are already a selection biased group. Making the cut for football is another selection. The higher the population the team is drawn from, the greater the bias of the selection. My competitive cycling is all done very informal outlaw these days. We make our runs when we want and carry a recording GPS, then upload the data to a website for comparison. So basically when you see me riding I’m just some old guy out… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ kfg

There’s a definite bias against ( higher ) achievement.

It’s duly noted though.

Again.

rugby11
4 years ago

Hunter S Thompson Been thinking about this all day about my relationship to my family. Its been hard dealing with A/F B/B in the dating world and the relationships I”ve seen and been hurt by. However i to want to still play. To learn and to fail. I can’t protect the world and wasn’t meant to. I grew up being my mothers right hand man when my dad wasn’t around. My anger comes from living blue pill reality’s within a forced red pill context. One way to get passed the anger is through relentless self improvement. I only speak with… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Blaximus:

There is a category missing from the high end: Champions.
And then there is Hors Categorie: World Records.

And the Law of Records is logarithmic. Drop down a category and there are 10 times as many people in it.

And remember that the Dunning-Kruger spectrum has two sides.

Hook or Crook
Hook or Crook
4 years ago

@ Scray Everything you said in that big post is true. I don’t know what world these other guys live in, but where I come from shit is hard, and ‘average guys’ cling on to whatever girl falls into their lap via luck or circumstance and then backwards rationalize that it was ‘love’ or ‘fate’ or ‘game’ when they didn’t do shit and they’re settling hardcore. This shit is a struggle and it never ends. I’ve had nights in bars that taught me more than an entire year of reading TRM (no offense intended) or Roissy. Everything is ego bullshit… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ kfg

http://www.clipartkid.com/images/286/cartoon-deep-sea-diver-by-ron-leishman-toon-vectors-eps-10036-7r0QDd-clipart.jpg

Ok, I had to look Dunning-Kruger spectrum up.

Good stuff.

Unfortunately for me, my ancestors foolishly raised me with the notion that there was nothing one man could do that I could not with the proper motivation, knowledge and conditions. And I was dumb enough to actually believe them.

I also believe that any man can also achieve anything with the same prerequisites.

Dunning-Kruger spectrum indeed.

scray
scray
4 years ago

lol there most definitely isn’t a bias against higher achivement.

there’s just super duper gullibility and unrealistic expectations and standards.

XD
XD
4 years ago

I’m gonna be That Guy who dumps a cold bucket of Real on this thread.

See those broads in the PUA vids? The Girls Gone Wild clips? They’re someone’s daughter. I’d bet my internet connection their fathers are totally clueless about their daughters real life activities. If asked , they’d say what many guys here already have -their special baby girl would NEVER suck some jagoffs dick behind her mans back, or do anything similarly immoral in the name of hypergamy.

Haha. Need a chaser with that 200 proof Denial?

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

FR: 5 pm. hot tub at clubhouse. small family gathering (not mine). all married girls and kids. two hb7 with huge fake tits and great bodies but late 20s get in the tub where I already am. Both have huge rings. can’t even catch eye contact as they are full into convo about some dumb etsy business or something. one of the hotties two kids, boy age 4ish, girl age 6ish are fucking around near the tub. big muscle dude sees hotties, joins. we look at each other as they blab on and on about this fucking business shit. no… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@pellaeon lol and to confirm what I said before today went to bookstore. asian alone at cafe with headphones on studying. lots of people around. hmm. I’m really self-conscious of being here — I’ve opened girls studying here several times recently and I am concerned about someone who frequents here getting upset or figuring out I’m a pua guy or something — since my opens and first few dhvs are always the same. So i hesitated, went to bathroom for a min to figure out what to do. Figured I would just sit down at a table, survey the situation,… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@softek took your advice and got a little notebook to write down positive things from the day. annnd just 2 days in turns into sketch book for pua shit lol. lol, just my tendency to be COMPLETELY unable to only write about one thing and my notebook dedicated to say “branding notes” also ends up with notes on cooking and also movies and lists and business plans and there are drawings and tiny little notes written sideways in the margins and in every which way looks like the notebook of a serial killer lol either way, helped me organize all… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Female vervet monkeys encourage male vervet monkeys to fight other vervet monkeys.
Why ever do the male vervet monkeys go along with this manipulation?
It’s something all the way down.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/female-monkeys-wile-rally-troops-002147976.html

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Here’s what happens if you get to close to a Kardashian and don’t maintain frame.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hospitalized-rapper-kanye-west-said-spiritual-crisis-162759695.html

This interests me only in the “continuous trainwreck” sense, I admit.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Female grooming and aggression “both appear to function as social incentives that effectively promote male participation in intergroup fights” ”

http://www.warandgender.com/5_fig003.jpg

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

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Mean Mr. Mustard
Mean Mr. Mustard
4 years ago

Rollo;
if possible, could you please change the background of your blog to white instead of grey?
It would make reading your blog significantly easier due to the better contrast of text to background.
cheers
MMM

(p.s. Love your work and I have purchased BOTH your books)

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

kfg, the White Feather got to be so obnoxious that…

http://theantifeminist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/badge-1_1942.jpg

“Let’s you and him fight” is popular among many primates.

Dave
Dave
4 years ago

It’s not enough to raise red-pill sons and daughters. We must somehow signal to potential sons-in-law that (a) our daughters are virgins and will remain so until marriage, (b) they will never cheat, divorce, or disobey their husbands for any reason (not even for “abuse”, because that will be taken to mean “anything that makes her feel bad”), and (c) they now and forever reject all cultural influences to the contrary. If a woman wants to own her sexuality and be a “free agent”, that’s fine, but she is not worthy of any male investment beyond a casual pump ‘n’… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCXrgASzf50 Fret for your figure and Fret for your latte and Fret for your lawsuit and Fret for your hairpiece and Fret for your Prozac and Fret for your pilot and Fret for your contract and Fret for your car. Mom’s gonna fix it all soon. Mom’s comin’ round to put it back the way it ought to be. Learn to swim. Fuck L Ron Hubbard and Fuck all his clones. Fuck all these gun-toting Hip gangster wannabes. Learn to swim. Fuck retro anything. Fuck your tattoos. Fuck all you junkies and Fuck your short memory. Learn to swim. Fuck… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
4 years ago

Getting as many boys to act like girls is a good way to take over. The best way for your side to win is if possible, get the other side to not fight at all.

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
4 years ago

The idea of a tomboy is an easy thing to accept because that girl still retains her feminine appeal while dressing and behaving as a boy, but that does not mean she gender-identifies as a boy. When we see the picture of the girl in the football uniform (in my first article link) we accept this as some fempowerment narrative, but that girl still very much retains her identity as a girl. I would even wager that the most butch lesbians still would rather live as a bull-lesbian female than EVER admit to wanting to be male. And again, we’re… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Even Old Married Guys with a metric ton of money can screw it all up. Ask Sumner Redstone.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/redstone-sues-ex-girlfriend-over-new-york-city-apartment

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

…thing is though, I know there are about 3 long posts I made here where I went into a lot of detail on my stack and shit. want to reread those…but can’t find them. haven’t found a good way to search the site for old posts. any ideas? I’d just in general love to be able to do a search for “hank holiday” and have all my posts pop up so I could browse my FRs at my leisure, rather than having to search for them. @ Hank Holliday You can try to use the feature of a site search… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

hank holiday
To me it feels weird to NOT carry on after hi, so I chat up everyone for a couple min even if I only say stuff like “hey nice place. You come here often or are you from out of town? really, I used to live there years ago. Heard the downtown is completely different now.”

hank, do you realize how far you have come in just this year? Just since last summer?
Props, man.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Rollo I would even wager that the most butch lesbians still would rather live as a bull-lesbian female than EVER admit to wanting to be male. Norah Vincent is on record agreeing with that. Maybe I’ll ask a lesbian or two that I know sometime just for curiousity. But I bet I know what the answer will be. Novaseeker: The more you feminize boys, the more the “standout” boys who are not feminized are rewarded — by men and women alike, in different ways. It’s almost as though the pressure is on to submerge 80% of the men into incel… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago
IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@Rollo and others, re: age of consent. What do you think the age of consent should be? 16 doesn’t seem bad to me. I know some of you (Rollo included) have daughters, but many of them had / will be having sex before 18 regardless of what the law states, and from what I read, the current statutory rape laws can have some very strange applications in situations with quite unambiguous consent. In countries where you can get a driving license at 14 or 16 it is implicit in the law that these teenagers are responsible enough to not cause… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
4 years ago

@blax
“Lol…okay dude. Here’s one for ya.”

That’s pretty impressive – that guy is my weight and the most I’ve done was 210, way back in when I was 20ish. I can’t imagine 410…

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@IAS

Consent age for most of Mexico is 12. I’m not sure there’s even a semblance of one in Afghanistan or Somalia where lots of unasslimilating immigrants hail. Perhaps in a generation or two 14 will be.

YaReally
4 years ago

@Agent P “Sweet Jesus if it wasn’t the most effemenite panty waist collection of dolts ever. I am sure I missed some sporto types who may well have been in class or working out at the gym but 50% of the remaining so called men.” I think a lot of the Manosphere doesn’t spend much time outside of their red pill collection of buddies or their peers at work or their kids and their little handful of friends etc and don’t really get how bad it’s gotten out there. So they occasionally pay attention in public or are put in… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“We must somehow signal to potential sons-in-law that (a) our daughters are virgins and will remain so until marriage…” Where social convention controls the cultural narrative, inculcated boys know the stakes too. My family runs a bit with Catholic home-schoolers. Over a dozen families are working together. It is a hive mentality, instinctively rejecting anything remotely common culture. The women are married at 20-25 and have kids, lots of kids. They are pretty enough and the men are seriously committed to the next generation. The teen girls are serious about their future roles, but not Jim Jones mind-wash per se,… Read more »

sfer
sfer
4 years ago

Parents who try to transition a 4 year old are bad news. Lots of effeminate boys grow up to be gay but, they will be better off just being gay rather than trying to transition. Gay dudes generally want to have sex with masculine men. So, unless they are so hot after transitioning they can attract heterosexual men, they are better off just hitting the gym like all the other gay dudes do.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Eh

That’s not what the field shows, so you are old and delusional and out of touch with the all encompassing 2016 tinder culture.

Now enjoy this Tyler/Julien/RSD video……

Joe K
Joe K
4 years ago

@hank holiday @fleezer @ yareally RE: “distract the husbands while he went off with the wife” That would be stupid. For several reasons. Optimal thing would be to befriend the husband with some legitimately engaging comment (even if it’s just sports on the TVs or the music being played in the background) – and when you come into contact with that guy’s wife – to have him worry for a moment: ‘fuck could this dude poach my wife?’ but you demonstrate you aren’t gonna do that (e.g. aren’t too flirty with the wife)…you get the best of all worlds since… Read more »

mersonia
4 years ago

@Joe
“RE: “distract the husbands while he went off with the wife”

……..So…you’re telling me. If I want to fuck the wife I should make the husband worry about it after befriending him…….then demonstrate i’m not going to fuck the wife.. Now we’re all on the same team and they want me to get laid. THEN I BRING ANOTHER CHICK INTO THE SOCIAL CIRCLE TO INCREASE MY CHANCES OF FUCKING HER …… so I don’t fuck the wife?

YaReally
4 years ago

@Blaximus “That’s not what the field shows, so you are old and delusional and out of touch with the all encompassing 2016 tinder culture.” Remember, YOU’RE the one that cries about the “snark” around here. We’ve said repeatedly ever since the marriage debate that there are religious/UMC clique communities where the successful marriage/kids life may be possible which is exactly what EhIntellect is describing. But this is not the community that the vast 90% of men out there live in and as religion is further tossed aside these communities will continue to become less and less common. “Now enjoy this… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“distract the husbands while he went off with the wife”

Ocean’s Eleven: The Cuckolding!

Reviewers say: As fast-paced, witty, and entertaining as it is star-studded and coolly stylish…starring….

Joe K
Joe K
4 years ago

@Mersonia –

No. Not ‘social circle’. I said ‘circle’. Meaning, the random people around you at any given halfway-packed bar. And no, don’t try to fuck the wife. Get on good terms with the husband and wife, then fucking a *different* women becomes easier. OK?

mersonia
4 years ago

@joe

You gotta read fleezers post for the context fam

Fred Flange, Xisself
Fred Flange, Xisself
4 years ago

Well in the last chapter of 1974’s “Woman Hating”, feminist icon Andrea Dworkin famously wrote: “The parent–child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic”, and that “The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them. The incest taboo does the worst work of the culture… The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism”. (quote from Wikipedia) She claimed not to have… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
4 years ago

What was it? The book A Billion wicked Thoughts. Points out that most men who are gay present as having higher than normal testosterone and longer dicks than average straight guys to boot. Trying to make a gay guy into a girl is, I imagine, even harder than making a straight guy into a girl in all likelihood. Imagine what will become of the West with all this “transitioning” going on. I guess the election was a good example of that in action, traditional minded folks just needed to wake up and be aggravated enough with leftist antics to be… Read more »

sfer
sfer
4 years ago

@agent p

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theasdgamer
4 years ago

@YaReally

all guys have to do to see what I’m saying is go out to the kiddie bars

Not all major metros have kiddie bars, but kiddies will go to bars in trendy districts…there may be millennials, X-gen, Y-gen, etc. all together at the same bar…kiddies go to bars usually after 10 pm…if you go out and pay attention to trends, you will see these things

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@YaReally This is why I always point out that ya looks will get you some free gimme iois You can be old, short, bald, and ugly and get these based on cues that come from how you stand, your facial expressions, how you walk, cold-approaching girls which other girls see and interpret as confidence, chatting with club staff, other girls giving you iois, getting special treatment like not paying cover charges, and the list goes on You will get these iois regardless of whether you have cold-approached or not IF you give off these cues.. If you give off these… Read more »

D
D
4 years ago

This is all good Rollo… I get why you are going in this direction… But what about the guys that followed the plan? I don’t want kids because the system is fucked. My not taking part in marriage and therefore not having kids is a protest vote against this fucked up system. There is no incentive for me to engage in it as a man. I don’t want to know the workarounds of how to make it work in a FUBAR society. We should be organising a way to give some degree of power back to men, to reel in… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

” I would stagger the gym stuff to later on is to avoid newbies building assosciations with “I’m getting success and was taught that looks mater by the FI, and my looks are improving, so my success must be because of my looks” . . .”

You can spend four hours a day in the gym, increase your muscular strength and metabolic endurance significantly – and not change your looks at all.

Exercise is a stimulus, not the control.

scray
scray
4 years ago

@ya Either way though, I’d rather a guy go out and hit the gym and risk the assosciation VS not go out at all, ’cause we can always send him out in baggy clothes down the road to try to unwire bad assosciations lol yeah I mean, FOR ME all it did was reinforce “ya bro now we gotta go out and sarge it up” because it made me understand that 1) true change takes time and dedication 2) results are like a staircase, not like a smooth ramp….so just because you’re putting in the correct work and it seems… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
4 years ago

@AsdGamer Hopefully @yareally answers you but I had a couple thoughts that’ve worked for me in the past… “I find that sometimes my state is a little low and I need to briefly fix my state and make sure that I give off these cues…check posture (BIG!!!), head position, remember that pussy is just pussy, etc.” I’ve never found ‘low state’ to be a detriment, unless I’m thinking negative thoughts when I’m out ‘in field’ (really, Joe? You, thinking negative? Nah. LOL). I just replace them with positive thoughts, here are some examples that relate to what you’re saying… “I… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Not ” struggling” with teaching guys. Just remarking about their resistance.

I’ve gotten plenty of them laid over the decades, but I’m talking about ” life ” now, not just puzzay.

I’ve been through plenty in life, which is my point. I’m not just reading shit or watching stuff and then trying to impart knowledge. As I’ve said, some listen and some don’t.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“this is not the community that the vast 90% of men out there live in”

Plenty of room in the pews, churchy young single clubs, youth clubs (up to 25 y.o. or so).

For those looking for another venue, sample of ladies, and all. No pressure.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@EhIntellect Religious people are still people. Churchgoing girls are still girls. Keeping a separate community from the rest of the world as much as possible can be done but takes work, a lot of work, and it will not be the picture of harmony, because family A decides only to watch G movies but family B decides once in a while to go PG-13. I know more than one churchgoing woman who went off with her girlfriends to the Twighlight movies, and I bet I know some who have a copy of 50 Shades of Grey hidden away. Because, as… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

EhIntellect
For those looking for another venue, sample of ladies, and all. No pressure.

Hoo, boy. I don’t have time for this one right now, and I need to find a little research paper to show Balixmus in the other thread.

Paging Deti. Paging Novaseeker. Factual spill cleanup in Aisle 2.

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

About the age of consent, if it is really 12 in Mexico that seems too low to me.

Again, I don’t get these inconsistencies in “adulthood”. Do I get it correctly that in the U.S. it is…
Drive: 14 or 16. Sex: 18. Alcohol: 21. Really? This doesn’t make sense.

scray
scray
4 years ago

@all so what do you guys make of this….happens to me pretty frequently with hotties, both with ones I pull and ones I don’t… this line her: you know you’re a pretty cool guy…what are we going to do now Mr. CoolGuy? or her: Oh is that who you are, Mr. CoolGuy? or her: Oh you seem so cool….does anything bother you, Mr. CoolGuy? I usually ignore it, but I’m not really sure whether they’re just observing that I’m cool or slightly shit testing me. But it literally is said so often now that it’d be good to get input.… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Right on. There’s no prevarication here. The girls are as hypergamous as others, It’s a different venue, requires different game. The home-schooled girls are more open minded about tradition, is all.

Sounds weird. Open minded about tradition.

Yeah. There’s a lot of Catholic girls who like the reputation enhancement of Catholic preening.

“I was raised Catholic”. Heh have at ’em guys.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

D I don’t want to know the workarounds of how to make it work in a FUBAR society. We should be organising a way to give some degree of power back to men, to reel in uncontrolled hypergamy. Ok. I understand what you are saying. I said it myself some years back. The problem is what “is” just happens to be very different from what “ought to be”. It ain’t right. Right? Here’s the problem. First, reality doesn’t care what you or I or anyone else want. Second, “we should be organizing” has been going on since the 80’s. The… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
4 years ago

@SJF yeah know about the google search but its inefficient. i was hoping for something more like yareally archives. still found one of the posts, and i know the rough dates of the other ones so I’ll just go to the rational archives @pua yeah the pua notebook is really helping. getting all my dhvs and shit together, coming up with a few new ones. very very helpful. is making a big difference. so gonna be doing a lot of homework on that, then come out with a polished list I can always have with me to flip through and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Scray

Overgaming. Dial it down a notch. If they are in your frame don’t rub their nose in it.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“so what do you guys make of this….happens to me pretty frequently with hotties, both with ones I pull and ones I don’t… I usually ignore it, but I’m not really sure whether they’re just observing that I’m cool or slightly shit testing me.” From an objective viewpoint ( not influenced by personal feelings or opinions), it is both. They are observing you are cool and they are shit testing (not so) slightly. What about those three statements in the context that they were delivered make you think that they were possibly not shit tests. Sentient: “Overgaming. Dial it down… Read more »

sfer
sfer
4 years ago

@Scray

I am not at your level, but I always accept every compliment (including ambiguous ones). The ones that don’t mean it just want you to get flustered. Plus, some people mean it.

Big mistake is to care more about what people who are tooling you think over what people who like you think.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“About the age of consent, if it is really 12 in Mexico that seems too low to me.” The age of consent has been traditionally regulated by religion and Mexico (and until a few years ago, Canada) holds to the traditional rules of Christendom in its civil law. That was 12 years old for marriage and 14 for sexual consent. In some times and places those two were equalized. Mexico went with 12 (and Canada went with 14). Mexico, like the US, has states. Unlike the US it has a Federal age of consent, but that acts as a lower… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago
Reply to  kfg
Joe K
Joe K
4 years ago

@scray

In order…

“I haven’t decided yet”

“Ummmmmm….YES” (with finger point. Then shake your head no and throw up one hand like ‘whatever’)

“Oh ya…hungry kids in subsaharan Africa…that shits fuckin depressing, dude”

Amy
Amy
4 years ago

On Just Sayin’s various threats against the transgendered….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Don’t worry; for the time grows near when you are your breed will be involuntarily and permanently remanded to FEMA camps…so you won’t need to worry about such things anymore.

scray
scray
4 years ago

@Joe

I’m not asking for “how to respond.” I’m just asking for what everyone’s impression is of the signal.

D
D
4 years ago

@Anonymous Reader I get that man. I really do. And youre 100% right. I guess I should have worded it differently, but having the kids, making the marriage work, hell, understanding women better than they understand themselves… Makes me feel like a little bitch. No appreciation. And I know i shouldn’t expect that from women. But from society, it’d be nice. It takes the edge off. I know, I know. You internalise your game, man. So it becomes natural. Then your game isn’t hard, right? Then you can finally have the kids, have the LTR or whatever, and fight tooth… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
4 years ago

@scray

OK dude. I’d say it means she wants to bang, and is just testing to see if you will remain in your ‘cool guy’ frame. So keep frame.

Amy
Amy
4 years ago

As for the fortunate transgendered female; especially those who can complete the S.R.S…their delight in removing themselves from the locus of beings known as “males” is extraordinary. Their membership in The Slave Gender has concluded; and they can now get on with the business of a enjoying a life well lived…free of all the constrictions (legal, emotional, social) associated with masculinity. Males dislike the post-operative transgendered woman (M2F) because she has left the Serving Class and has now joined The Ruling Class. Thus she is no longer an equal; rather she now ranks above the male in almost all Western… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Dalrock has hit another ball out of the park with his latest posting on marriage. I won’t argue it here, I won’t summarize it here, I will just point to it: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/the-rational-response-to-high-divorce-rates/ One quote just because: Much of the apathy is that our elites still feel like marriage is working for them; if the changes they made to marriage have been a catastrophe for everyone else, then everyone else simply needs to become like the elites. This is a profoundly arrogant and selfish attitude, but since the elites are the ones who frame the debate about marriage there are few… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
4 years ago

@D

“Then you can finally…have the LTR or whatever…”

I’ve finally gotten to the point where, when I go out to a top restaurant (always alone) and see men on dates with pretty women, I literally pity those guys without a single trace of envy. It’s the opposite emotion – gratitude. Incidentally, it makes those pretty women look past their dates and at you instead…like they can feel it or something…Hopefully you get there. That to me is amused mastery actualized.

mersonia
4 years ago

@Scray I get alot of an similar experience instead of saying like cool guy… its basically just replacing cool guy with badass. her: Oh well aren’t you such a badass or her: Oh, hmm I can tell you’re such a little badass. You must be waiting to get into something “I usually ignore it, but I’m not really sure whether they’re just observing that I’m cool or slightly shit testing me.” ^ That’s the route I’ve went always because Its very subtle and it doesn’t seem like a compliment . Also I rarely do anything to try to invoke that… Read more »

Amy
Amy
4 years ago

To The Web Site Owner:

You had better get scum like your member “Just Sayin'”…with his various threats to commit murder removed…or I will report this website for condoning criminal conduct faster than you can say Jack Robinson.

Remember that, boy.

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@YaReally, Scray: FR Supermarket, a foreign 2-set are talking. This supermarket is good for this apparently, not the first foreign girls I spot in here. Maybe I should try to go there more often. I get to the registers and it also happens to be the shorter line, so I was going to go to the shortest one, to the right of where the 2-set is waiting in line. Before I do that, they talk to each other and split. I pass Left Girl and queue behind Right Girl. At this stage they are fairly close and still talk a… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@ D I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for society to save you from the top down. Large organizations don’t “care” about individuals. Individuals suffer, large organizations don’t. The FI, Matrix and SJW’s as a group don’t suffer from their misguided hand, individuals that subscribe to their tenets do. And the larger organizations are, the more difficult they are to take down, and the less likely they are to crumble of their own accord. So don’t wait around for “something” to happen. So don’t wait around for it to come around. A bottoms up approach is called for with red… Read more »

Trent Lane
Trent Lane
4 years ago

@YaReally @hank holiday “your only competition is “yourself, 6 months ago” That’s actually a great and very helpful mindset. It also helps big time to hear that someone with as much field experience as YaReally has modest goals like “I’ll open at least three people” instead of say “3 makeouts in the first bar”, “two-way-makeout in the second” and “threesome at the end of the night”. I actually find that the “sober and solo” part is the hardest one. I have to and want to do it this way because first of all I have no wingmen (just a lot… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@scray Those are obvious shit tests. Are you just a player, or do actually care about people? So, you find a reason to qualify a girls as a speshul snowflake. I get told a lot that I dance with a lot of girls…a shit test similar to the one that you see. Then there’s the greeting from married girls where I hope that their husbands aren’t around….a yell of delight accompanied by a bearhug with a secret kiss on the ear. “Woah, don’t fuck me right here In the bar…at least wait til we get a room.” Single girls don’t… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@ Softek TL;DR You are a man, you will have hurdles and shit tests. Make them No Big Deal. Yeah, minor problems and adversities out in the field. You mentioned that there is such a thing as affirming the positive, writing down notes to what you did in the affirmative. But there is also a corollary of shutting down the negative. Depressive mindset is a built in rut that you have shared from a shitty childhood along with the likes of Scribbler and Sun Wukong. In my Asperger-like trait kind of way, with always being positive and idealistic, I can’t… Read more »

sfer
sfer
4 years ago

“And as a father, say one day you get the phone call from your sons teacher telling you that your adolescent son punched some other boy in the schoolyard, called him a “Fag” and pulled some girls pony tail and should now be put on meds because he is antisocial and a danger for the school environment (not to imply that this should be the PROPER HETEROSEXUAL MANLY RED PILL BEHAVIOUR that the manosphere endorses for adolescent boys but just as an example as the stereotypical shit male teenagers would do while going through puperty – at least in the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Trent Lane “I actually find that the “sober and solo” part is the hardest one. I have to and want to do it this way because first of all I have no wingmen (just a lot of drunk AFC buddies who are great friends but due to their blue pill conditioning obstacles for any real sarging) secondly I want/have to unwire fucking YEARS of shitty addiction to alcohol and thirdly, I dig the challenge in a sort of masochistic way.” Just try it once, three times, five times. It actually is quite easy if you set it as a goal.… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

@Trent Lane – just dropping in briefly as too busy with work right now but your “solo” post caught my eye. If you see my FRs you’ll know I do the majority of my sarging solo in nightclubs (don’t really do daygame it’s on my list maybe for next year) and I get this a lot. I’ve only really been solo sarging since late 2016 and I can only go out about 4 months of the year due to work so that’s not much time at all. But even in that time I’ve become a LOT more comfortable solo. Not… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Ideally, a man would become Red Pill aware prior to becoming a father as a preparation. Being Red pill aware is only half the battle though. As much as it’s been debated here in the comments, I still believe that mindset will be key also in parenting for a man. A father has to be capable of understanding that he must take ” ownership ” of his children, and that there are forces afoot that would like nothing better than to subvert his authority and reduce him to a greasy stain on the floor. ” The Village ” is a… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

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Goodnight brothers

stuffinbox
4 years ago

I was raised blue pill with regards to family “single mom two older siserinos” and red pill in regards to work and partying. Raised two boys Mrs. Box and myself,The oldest was 5 when we met 40 now he is a Wild man stopped in to help me in 06 banged every available and not so available babe within 6mos.I am guessing after my positive male influence with him hanging w/me till he was 16was noticed by the fem at large,the next boy had to much to do to hang with pops they got to him good.The youngest 34 married… Read more »

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Blax

“meaningful pushback against feminist agendas and clueless parents that allow this to happen. legislators and educators and plain old outsiders need to just be silent on the matter of sex when it comes to children. Their agenda is the actual child abuse”

It isn’t funny when these books written.by so called experts,that have never even raised a child all the way through till responsible adulthood now.are taken seriously by young parents
Maybe a hazard of more theory without the math to back it..

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ stuff

Good to see you man.

Funny you should mention this, because I forgot to mention in my comment that parents, especially men, should NEVER take ANY advice from ANYONE that doesn’t have children already. EVER. Childless folks are fucking clueless.

And parents have to be leery about some of the advice they get from actual parents sometimes. If the advice doesn’t jive with your view, politely reject that shit asap.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

I would feel depressed about the push for all the boys to be girls… but then I realized it sets me up to have an easier time building a harem. In the land of the trans, the man with a penis is king.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@Blax

Parental arrogance crosses in to hubris on a routine basis to such a degree that even “fucking clueless” childless people such as myself can see they’re wrong. For instance: if your four year old thinks they’re trans I’m pretty sure you’re doing things completely fucking wrong.

So much for the theory of complete fucking cluelessness, eh?

stuffinbox
4 years ago

That fits with if was a snake it woulda bit ya.

The trouble lies in ideals,it is easy to spot something that doesn’t fit in the ideal,while harder to live up to.

Never saw a 4yo that was that concious of gender differences makes you wonder who brought that subject up to a 4yo,some kind of strange this is.Sick shit

Blax
Been hanging back in the lurk shadows,to tired to join in,but hell I’m on a roll at work and stacking,why complain about a fun time? No moping around here!

Wood Chipper
Wood Chipper
4 years ago

I am shocked that 90% of transitions are boys willing to give up their male privilege and trade it for a life of glass ceilings, making $.77 of every dollar, and pocketless pants.

Zhu Wunang
Zhu Wunang
4 years ago

@yareally

Fantastic, that’s exactly what I was needed. Thank you.

stuffinbox
4 years ago

Wood Chipper Do you know what an Organ Grinder is? “I am shocked that 90% of transitions are boys willing to give up their male privilege and trade it for a life of glass ceilings, making $.77 of every dollar, and pocketless pants.” I can only assume this male privilege you speak of is being able to write your name in the snow,yes?And perhaps this “glass ceiling”is a political construct of the irresponsible and unimaginative mind that can’t do real math.A dollar is still just a dollar,the only value it has is what you can trade it for. Clothing is… Read more »

Male in Mind
Male in Mind
4 years ago

The new push to normalize transgender acceptance relies solely on the presumption that gender identity is a social construct rather than influenced by biological, and evolved psychological dynamics inherent in both sexes. The idea again comes back to the egalitarian presumption of a blank-slate equalism and a rejection of gender as a binary determination. Though I agree with the fact that those who are in the process of standardizing trans acceptance are basing their actions on the Blank Slate hypothesis, it is not typically Egalitarians who are forcing this, but rather Feminists. True, some who identify as Egalitarian do…to say… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

“Did you ever consider that it might be the reverse? That there are in fact many more F2M brains floating around out there; but cognizant of the extraordinary decline in quality of life that would be wrought by transitioning to male, they opt to continue life with legitimate mind / body incongruity (gender dysphoria) because the decrease in simple societal status makes such a transition too costly?” It’s definitely good to be a girl. But I doubt it. I’d find this argument much more compelling if I’d ever met a woman who truly seemed to think and act like a… Read more »

rugby11
4 years ago
Reply to  anon
Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Some chicks do appear to think like men, but this isn’t indicative of a change in brain structure or chemistry.

Amy
Amy
4 years ago

Your neurological insights are duly noted…

Christ Almighty…

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