Doin’ It Live (again)

I’m in Vegas for most of this month (July is promo month for what I do), but I did make time for a Tom Torero interview last week, on the 4th of July no less.

Tom’s a good guy, and was (or still is) a partner of Nick Krauser’s crew. We talked for an hour, but I could’ve gone longer with him. We discussed a lot in that time. Have a listen on youtube or you can download the interview from iTunes (#27).

Let me know what you think here or you can comment on the youtube link too.

Thanks Tom.

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sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Coyotes>archetype of a trickster in folklore, esp. native american>subspecies of alpha male> suburban women get hot and bothered when a subspecies of alpha male (coyotes have good game) get taken out by the local creepy beta male who cuts feet off of live trickster archetypes local coyote taker-outer.> female journalist runs with the story> mistakes what the real journalistic story is> coyote 0, local community 1.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

So I guess I’ll give a field report from my front porch where I’m currently locked out of my apartment. Therapist pushed for me to start collecting rejections more regularly, so i went for it. Earlier today, I called back a very cute HB7 who had shown me an apartment and told her I had taken another place but she was welcome to join me for drinks next weekend. Her answer was vague. She has my number, but I’m betting on a failure. I meet up with a buddy and a friend of his I hadn’t met yet. We hit… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago
Reply to  Sun Wukong

Dude…

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
6 years ago

@Sun …’Oh what a night’

Your field report reads like a music video.
Thanks for sharing

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

SJF “But I do want to thank you for a recommendation on your book list: your words: “The Sex God Method- This book will freaking change your life!!” This is something Forge the SKY needs to read. Not about technique but about mindset.” I’ve actually read most of it. After the relationship was over, obviously. Good book. I’m also reading Krauser/Jabba’s book ‘Primal Seduction’ right now, I think it’s really good. I’ll throw up a review when I’m done with it. “Will find a way to get contact info to you Forge. Most likely tomorrow at 1600 CST.” Hmm, Sun’s… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

lol @ the coyote sidetrack

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong “Not exactly the Sunday morning sunrise I was hoping for. Wish my game worked on chicks that are available.” This story is pretty hilarious. At least ya got some cajones son! Sometime maybe I’ll tell the story about how I lead too hookers on just by walking on the wrong beach in Thailand. More relevant story though – going out gaming seems like it just attracts drama. Owen cook often says that if you game a lot, you see and experience some crazy shit. I can well believe it; just from the few approaches I’ve done there’s been… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Forge

Shoulda fucked the cute friend just to spite the married one. That’s the right kind of drama.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

I missed the date of the mantable roundtable as being the 19th

Email sent, Forge.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Lol if ya can tell me a way to get past an almighty cockblock like that I’d be in your debt Sun.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago
Reply to  Forge the Sky

If you can’t isolate, you are dead in that situation. Did you try to nod her over to the women’s room? Make a gesture with your head and eyes to go off the dance floor towards lav? If she was actually interested (which it sounds like she was) then this usually works. You have to be super cool and disappear the opposite direction so friends don’t have a clue. This is mandatory for older guy game with young hotties. They do not want their friends to know that they like fucking some old guy. I get tons of IOIs I… Read more »

rangerwill
6 years ago

@Rollo

Man I wish I’d read this sooner and knew you’d be out in Vegas. Let me know if you’d like to visit Zion NP. I’ll be hitting Vegas next week for a bit of society, but would love to host your visit here in the land of red rocks if you need to do some recharging in nature.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Sun – Holy shit, what a night! The only reaction I have was to the first encounter with HB7 waitress. I notice two things. Escalating to going out next weekend versus a number close may have been a mistake. Women don’t make overt plans to cheat on their boyfriends, “it just happens”, yes? Also, when a woman brings up her boyfriend I’ll often say something like, “good thing I’m not looking for a girlfriend” or completely ignore it and return to some other subject. Also, a woman will often bring up boyfriend as a way of shooting you down but… Read more »

Alan Bleyaart
Alan Bleyaart
6 years ago

Just a question on being “purple pill”. Lot’s of pickup and dating advice suggests to get the good traits from the alpha male and the nice/beta male, and naturally, one would think that that will fully fulfill a woman’s desires. But you sort of mentioned that this isn’t the case, that you probably are one or the other. Would you say that you can only be predominantly an alpha or predominantly a provider?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@G Yeah, I gotta get better at that shit test. My response was to laugh and say “Good thing I didn’t invite him!” She weren’t having it. Number close does sound like a better idea since your intentions are more vague. @Forge G had it. Isolate. Hell the married chick whose husband I AMOG’d started isolating herself for me. Like we had been chatting off alone for several minutes then rejoined the group for a couple minutes. When she started literally jumping in my way in a very childlike fashion (to which other guys said “You gonna ignore her?” “…yeah,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Not a bad idea, Glenn. Heh, dunno what I’d do if she tried to f-close me in the bathroom of a busy nightclub, I gotta think that’s risky game. But just getting a number or a makeup or something? Solid. The two of them were glued to the hip so her friend may have followed her regardless, but yeah, great strategy to keep in mind. I remember Owen Cook saying once that, hey, men get beta shamed and that sucks (that is, if they’re perceived as beta they’re shamed for expressing any sexuality.) But women get shamed too – they… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago
Reply to  Forge the Sky

” dunno what I’d do if she tried to f-close me in the bathroom of a busy nightclub” – Sir, we need to have a talk. You should be doing the f-close in the bathroom, but if you are lucky enough to have her do it, just fuck her, declare victory and move on. If you don’t have a condom, just let her blow you and then leave her sticky and confused.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Sun “She wanted to be isolated with me away from her husband despite the fact that he was staring at us watching the whole show. Women instinctively realize they gotta be isolated from any cock blocks to get what they want and will pretty much do it to themselves if you give them the chance.” Yeah, it kinda ties in with my comment right after yours. Women police each other’s sexual expression vigorously. I’ve run into a few instances where some girl was trying to get her friend laid but it’s uncommon. In my experience, a woman trying to isolate… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@alan Alpha is a mindset. It has nothing to do with being a provider or not. It has everything to do with why you provide. To create a reality around yourself more in line with your interests? Alpha. To earn love and approval? Beta. People often fall into the trap of thinking that alpha=mean behaviors and beta=nice behaviors. It’s not true. An alpha is more likely to act ‘mean’ because he cares less about what others think of him, whereas a beta cares to the point of terror at creating a bad image. But past that it’s uncorrelated. Put another… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Forge

I should see if there’s some material out there specifically on isolating. It could be a weak point for me.

I think YaReally made a few comments on that a couple threads back. You can probably find a bunch about it on his archives also.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

@ Rollo

How to you think the comments section of The Rational Male is going these days?

Do you have any suggestions on best practices, things to avoid, things to aim for? Or just let it roll?

I’m sensing a positive tone this month for red pill awareness and game practice.

Do some of us comment too much?

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago
Reply to  sjfrellc

@SJF – Yeah, you comment way too much, lol. Seriously, just know what I get from you is GOLD – no shit. To me, the only issue is whether a comment is adding value and moving the dialog along in interesting ways. The ‘burden’ is to be engaging. That said, how about we open that question up to the readers too? If anyone wants me to shut the fuck up, just let me know. Can’t say whether I will comply, but I will take it under consideration. For me, this place is an anchor for my RP growth, and this… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

“I’m starting to see the value of having a bit of pre-prepared material at first, I blew my own self out of another approach that was going well just cause I didn’t have anything else to say past my opener so I excused myself lol. Many things to work on”

You need a fucking wingman!

I volunteer to come out to your city and be that guy for you and never be at a loss for conversation.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Make your self a pact that you are going to have some guy adventures in the next ten years. So then you will have some stories to tell.

Hard adventures. Things that were hard, pushed your boundaries, made you feel that your were better as a man because you did them.

Ok, maybe the next one year, two years of five years. You are going to be old 10 years down the road.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Thanks for the comments ScribblerG. If any one is watching at home. Note that I am not a keyboard jockey. I get out there and do shit in real life. I do things “in between time”. The moments that are lost in real life by not doing stuff are a terrible thing to waste. Back in my younger days I went out and learned, read, hobbied, and explored. And that tactic for learning, adventuring and mindfulness and observing and interpreting never waned. That is why I feel I was red pill in the 1980’s and I comment too much here.… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

I miss the occasional interloper like KristineRose. I wonder how she’s doing these days. I had thought that without a troll like Ms. banned that the guys would have internecine squabbles and be critical of each other. I was wrong. It seems red pill aware men that embrace game are on the same side. Willing to help each other out. I went out and sprayed two acres of deer food plots with glyphosate and 2,4 D today. Over the next month I will fertilize, disk up and prepare the food plots for planting Austrian winter peas, grains, brassicas for the… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Sorry I’m in moderation. WordPress is on to me as a spammer.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

“I blew my own self out of another approach that was going well just cause I didn’t have anything else to say past my opener so I excused myself lol. “ Make her work at qualifying to you. You are not to talk at her. You are to provoke her into talking to you. Don’t ask who what where questions. Ask open ended, provocative questions. Don’t be in a hurry to get the answer and riff off the answer. Act as you DGAF. You have a million stories to tell, so you you should not have anything not to say… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

sjfrellc – “Relax and say shit off of the top of your mind because you have that skill.”. Exactly. I have the same mind block when it comes to conversation with new people. My solution is to just start telling stories. I make the shit up as I go. I try for the disturbing and surreal, think Naked Lunch but with magical rabbits. It’s about finding your inner child, that version of myself and my imagination that lived out loud before the bluepill conditioning set in and crushed . That was me at age 5, I had excellent frame then,… Read more »

Exfernal
Exfernal
6 years ago

For Softek: find something uplifting to listen to, not necessarily from here:
http://searchmp3.mobi/dandelium
http://searchmp3.mobi/poets-of-the-fall

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Just found this blog a few days ago and I’ve been devouring it ever since. I haven’t been very productive at work this last week. My transformation is finally complete after accepting that women do not love unconditionally. It was the final red pill truth to bubble up from my subconscious. I have to give you credit for this Rollo. Thank you.

Santa isn’t real. I’m not disappointed. Just free.

One unfortunate side effect… Temptation to cheat on the wife just increased by an order of magnitude.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Hi there! Very good stuff, and yes, once you reclaim your dick, it will want to go out for a walkabout…

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

One unfortunate side effect… Temptation to cheat on the wife just increased by an order of magnitude.

“Unfortunate side effect” my ass. That’s the root of dread game you’re looking at there. Just let her see it subtly.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Something I wish someone had told me 27 years ago: With all the time you single men are expending on searching for a women or some plates, spend a certain fraction of that time cultivating guy friends that resonate with your ideals, shared interests, hobbies Etc. But now that the idea of red pill has come about in the last 15 years, cultivate other red pill interested guys (good luck–needle in a haystack IRL). Time is your most valuable asset, but some of that time needs to be allocated to spending time with men on the side while pursuing women.… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

It’s kinda funny to realize that it’s easier to AMOG a husband who’s right there than it is to get past a cock blocking friend of hers or “I have a boyfriend”. Seriously, that shit was effortless.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Thanks for all the input gents. At this point I have fairly effortless (if not always perfect) game with people I have a good reason to be talking too. I think the reason I stall out is because I don’t really have it internalized that just talking to people for the sake of it is a good thing to do. Free association? No issue, a girl at work today started talking to me about a fish fry she’s having and 90 seconds later I was (congruently but jokingly) talking to her about her getting a nipple tattoo lol. She was… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Forge

Though we should remember that she mate-guarded herself in extremis.

What in my story? From my read of her, that only happened because he was there getting pissy, and you could tell she was disappointed to step back from the edge. Like her tone was very much “I’m obligated to do this but I really don’t want to”. She had Alpha and had to let it go or look like a slut. She wasn’t happy with that.

Seriously, if I run in to her again and he’s not there, I have the feeling things might go… differently.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Good comment Forge. I do think it is time for more commentators to pony up. I was also nervous and inept when I started to comment so much so that I agonized over misspelled words and not being able to edit my comments as I had done on message boards for 10 years prior. I keep trying to tell myself I’m not posting for my own therapy (but obviously was–it helped tremendously) and feel a little guilty for over posting. I feel like I have graduated from my own course of red pill awareness and game. Now I think I… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

Another amusing (but far more slowly developing) story. A chick I tried (and failed) to move from LDR to relationship loooong ago contacted me a couple years back. One of the “If I turn 30 and I’m not married will you marry me?” chicks. To her credit, she was (and still is) an incredibly cute little Chinese chick. She works as a translator in Japan, and actually has always had good English. I’ve been planning to take a trip to Japan after I’m out of debt next year, and I decided I want to actually get good at the language… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

BTW, taking a break from all the heavy reading for the moment. After reading both Rational Male books, 48 Laws of Power, The Prince, ZAMM, and another read through of The Tao and The Art of War, I’ve started working on German and Japanese. Soon as I’m done with Japan I’ll be working on a visit to Europe starting with the UK and Germany.

Learning languages is more work and time but less of a beat down than psychology and philosophy out the wazoo. A much-needed break.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

“Kinda makes marriage seem like no deal at all aye?” Let me say this about that: A right girl can come about if you meet a good one by luck and skill. When that one possible one comes about you can’t have doubts and you have to play your commitment card. I’m not talking about “the one and only one out there for you”, I’m talking about a good one you might want one day. In regards to “one day”, you guys know it–the rule is not to settle for a woman that is not up to your standards. You… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Ok, Sun how was ZAMM?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@sjfrellc

Still absorbing it, I’ll have more to say Sunday. I do have to say that the reason I went back and read The Tao afterwards is that the book really strikes me as an attempt to prime a Western trained brain to the kind of thinking that will allow it to absorb Eastern philosophy more readily, specifically the ideas expressed in The Tao.

Very cool book, and I’ve recommended it to a couple friends already.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

I’m going to plug a book I read last month off of Kindle Unlimited. I don’t think it is unethical to post a whole chapter relating to the current chapter if I encourage more patrons to read the guys book. I could be wrong. It is on mind-set. And it’s not one of those fly by night charlatan type of books. Sorry for recommending another book. I don’t know if there is a word limit in Word press, but I think I will plug the book here and then post the Chapter 6 in another second comment. http://www.amazon.com/Masculine-Way-Really-Dissecting-Artists/dp/1492751529/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 “This book… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

“CHAPTER 6 You Give Up Too Easily When You Shouldn’t There have been so many times throughout history, throughout the past decade, throughout the past 24 hours in the world, throughout the past hour in your town even, where a man has gone up to a woman he found attractive enough to spark up a conversation, curious to know where it would go. She could be his next kiss, as he longs to put her luscious, lip-glossed lips on his, to start with. She could be his next date, where he proudly walks around town with her, gets to know… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

@Andy
July 13th, 2015 at 3:56 pm

Tell us about yourself if you feel comfortable doing so. It’s good therapy.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

On the subject of wingmen: it’s truly difficult to find a good one when your friends and pretty much every guy you know are mired deeply and permanently in a scarcity mentality. They’re either jumping in the way to try and get what you’re after (and flopping on their ass while ruining your chances), trying on purpose to jack you up for their own amusement, or running away the moment they have to run interference because the friends are fat/ugly. I honestly don’t understand the art of being a good wingman because I’ve never actually seen one in person. I’d… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Sun Wukong – “They’re either jumping in the way to try and get what you’re after (and flopping on their ass while ruining your chances), trying on purpose to jack you up for their own amusement, or running away the moment they have to run interference because the friends are fat/ugly.” ^^^This! I stopped flying wing when I realized that my role was primarily to run interference for my friends and that I could not count on them doing the same for me. I was pretty good at it in the wing protects the lead sense. I handled bitchy friends,… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Sun, that is why I brought up the subject and believe it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. But idealistic me says it should be a goal to look for one. You mentioned in our previous mantable roundtable that you knew one that could be impartial. Law #10 always. Don’t suffer fools gladly. A wingman who is out to give to you, not take from you is what you want. I see the value of a wingman for Sun and Forge and ScribblerG and that is again why I brought it up. Just because good women… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“Seriously, if I run in to her again and he’s not there, I have the feeling things might go… differently.”

Oh, I agree. I think my point is more that a marriage can be as good as the frame and circumstances you bring to it. The problem comes when men believe the marriage vows themselves have a strong pull. Maybe they do, occasionally. In most cases they buy you 15 minutes, dead sober.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

“Speaking of drinking I can actually go to a bar and have a three drink maximum when hanging out with a red pill guy or driving to Hillsdale for a party among deer hunters, then drive home legal. Because the experience of hanging out with a red pill guy is invaluable. And reading manosphere recommendations to game sober is really good advice.” Oh I’m not worried. I’ve actually noticed I drink a hell of a lot less when I go out to game. The game holds my interest, I don’t need to stimulate myself with ethanol. But I do enjoy… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Tailbone tattoo @ 15. That’s better than a tramp stamp on the lower back. Right?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

Know that she has a tailbone tattoo she got at 15 that she’s self-concious about (she’s pissed her mother let her get it lol).

She should be embarrassed. Chicks should never get tattoos, and her mother should have known that.

There’s no such thing as a guy that will turn down an otherwise very attractive woman because she doesn’t have tattoos. On the other hand, I know a lot of guys who WILL turn an attractive chick down for at least long term (if not short term as well) if she does have them.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

Meanwhile, I hear “fish fry to nipple tattoo” and find myself thinking of Monty Python:
“WOLF NIPPLE CHIPS! Get’emwhilethey’re’ot, they’relovely!”

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

SJF:- “Speaking of drinking I can actually go to a bar and have a three drink maximum when hanging out with a red pill guy or driving to Hillsdale for a party among deer hunters, then drive home legal.” Didn’t know that. You jammy buggers. Guns and DUI. Sounds like a Clarkson dreamworld. Our Dear Leaderene and Schoolmarm To The Nation, Wee Hairy Nicola, has in the last year imposed a near absolute limit on blood alcohol while motoring, 0.5mg/ml, which you could get out of 2 oz. of beer, i.e. don’t have a hangover the next day, never mind… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
6 years ago

.. I agonized over misspelled words and not being able to edit my comments as I had done ..
You and da GBFM both.
I wear it as a fashion statement. Anyone who can’t interpolate a preferred reading almost unconsciously and on the fly must have other cognitive problems. Like being foreign. Or stupid.
Moaning about spulang and grammerz instead of deducing the intention is the sort of thing SJWs do. If really stuck, like when the autocorrect goes rogue on people and makes it look like they’re tripping, I just ask. Nothing wrong with that.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Sun: ” . . . the book really strikes me as an attempt to prime a Western trained brain to the kind of thinking that will allow it to absorb Eastern philosophy more readily . . .”

Also have a look at Alan Watts The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are. Since it isn’t an allegory in the form of a novel, it’s compact, but still very readable:

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Tell us about yourself if you feel comfortable doing so. It’s good therapy.” Raised Beta, Couple beta LTR’s. Then an embarrassingly long relationship with a BPD chick. I finally figured out about 85% of the red pill stuff about 6 or 7 years ago. Meet my wife with zero intention of an LTR. Used her as a fuck toy for a few months, but she was so feminine and sweet that I fell for her. I had never been with such a feminine woman before. I don’t have it bad compared to what could have happened. Started the relationship in… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Andy, I can’t relate. By older you mean looks too old for your standards or her femininity is going away and she’s not having enough sex with you?

Sounds like you have 1. motive and 2. opportunity to cheat. I have neither and my wife doesn’t seem old to me at all at the age of 50.

As an aside, if women in their twenties (my daughter is 23) were to ask what it would take to get a man, I would say be feminine.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

I guess what I’m saying is that my SMV is now much higher, and my wife’s much lower than when we got married. She was in the epiphany stage, I was just starting to get it, and my career was just starting to take off.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Andy

Of course it’s tempting. Do you have any reason not to cheat? Because there can be good reasons not too. If you don’t, you’re being probably being manipulated somehow without your realizing it.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

The only reason I can think of is that some psycho stalker chick falls in love with me and she decides to ruin my life.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
6 years ago

Bluepillprofessor July 11th, 2015 at 4:07 pm @sjfrellc: (and Rollo!) “We have a lot of analysis of Alpha/Beta on /r/marriedredpill and lots of Shit Tests and Comfort Tests as well- and we do it with an overwhelmingly male, Red Pill perspective. At least that is the goal. We have definitely found that you cannot go straight Alpha a-hole and there is a balance- but some of the married guys say that balance is becoming the “Family Alpha” (or the patriarch) which naturally entails lots of Beta provisioning, providing, and caring to go with strong leadership and a crazy sex life.… Read more »

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