Interview Two

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Just a quick update here: the latest interview I did with Christian McQueen on my birthday (April 2nd) is now available for download.

We went for a solid 2 hours and 20 minutes, so settle in or download it and listen at your leisure. I’m going to make this post’s comment thread an open one for questions or comments regarding the show. The response to the last one was overwhelming and is still the most listened to podcast on Christian’s old format so I’ll stay active in this comment thread for a bit to answer anything you may want to ask me.

I’ll be back to regular posting on Monday.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Zac
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Great interview!

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LiveFearless
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Interview Two: 77 minutes in, it’s better than the original ‘Back to the Future’

’12 Minutes of Time Travel’ begins at 01:17:49

Gnarkillicious
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Gnarkillicious

Even better interview than the first one. Expecting my copy of Preventive Medicine in the mail any day now. Thank you again for all of your work.

Msam
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Msam

Brilliant episode as expected..
on the next one, can you abit in detail about the difference between the 2 alpha and beta mindsets and also more on the “purple pill” guys.

its kinda weird listening to the voice of the writer that I consider a god. it makes you so…..human !

Thanks for everything Rollozz,

sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

Rollo, your writing is exceptionally concise and prolific. Did you have good writing skills before you went to college? And then you honed them better?
You had natural artistic skills through musicianship and that translated into writing well? Writing takes a certain organized brain. You must have it.
Late start at college made you more motivated. How and when did you learn your good writing skills. Good genetics?

Jetxo
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Jetxo

Great interview, I liked Christian this time too, pity about the sound missmatch , but congratulations for the overall work. One thing I could not stop thinking was “Rollo don´t go public”. Some sectors will hurt what you love one way or another most likely your family and work. I see that happening in Spain with some people that speak up (http://www.returnofkings.com/7421/spanish-politician-is-crushed-for-questioning-feminist-dogma).

Dan
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Dan

Ostensibly, with the loss of God, men and women turned to each other.They no longer projected their need for love onto something infinite and numinous (thereby knowing their soul). Men projected their love onto women and women projected their love onto their egos.What has followed has been a suicidal death spiral where men are following women into ego insanities.Feminism did not awaken some soul revival in women,no quite the opposite. Blue pill programs and the pervasive FI have been instrumental in providing a simulacrum of real love for men. In keeping them focused on womens huge egos(princess saved by white… Read more »

PHATTY
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PHATTY

Great podcast Rollo, The format was on point and it felt relaxed. Hope you guys do another one

DannyBlue
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DannyBlue

Yeah that was an outstanding interview Rollo. I don’t know if my question is really related to the podcast, but you talking about your marriage made me wonder what your opinion is on complete monogamy (for the male) in marriage or a in long term relationships. You talked about the difference between the male and female sexual strategy before, and that one strategy cannot win without the other one losing. Isn’t being completely faithful to a wife or serious girlfriend the feminine imperative succeeding? Women seem to be more than willing to date/fuck around casually before settling down. But once… Read more »

Lion
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Lion

So you don’t have Isaac Hayes’ voice?

Glenn
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Glenn

Perhaps it’s my dark mood, but I don’t like McQueen at all. I listened to part of the first interview with you, and some other crap he did another time and found his style idiotic and juvenile. This time, he appeared to be trying to behave like more of a journalist or something, but all he revealed was his inability to organize his thoughts and speak coherently. Unfortunately, the presentation of your brilliant ideas suffered as a result. You are interesting to listen to, no doubt, but I found myself just waiting for McQueen to stop babbling so I could… Read more »

Mr T.
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Mr T.

Agree with Glenn , I had to fast forward when he spoke. I think he should learn how to talk like a man and not focus on making his voice sound deeper.

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

Biggest problem I had was with how Christian had a tendency to break in and ramble, and his Skype (I’m assuming that’s what you were using) was configured to basically mute you when he did it. Not to mention it sounded like he was doing the interview with a rocket engine running in the background. Incredibly distracting and occasionally cut you off in the middle of a point. When you’ve got a guest, the point is the guest not yourself. That being said, Rollo you came across as calm and consistent as always. Hearing you speak reminds me of listening… Read more »

Gordon
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Gordon

Catholic here. Do you consider religious men “purple pill”? I try to adapt your advice here to my morals, example: “Spin plates” seems to imply sex, but I’ll not give my commitment to a single woman until marriage, so for me that means multiple dates with multiple girls (again, no sex. kissing is allowed). My main conflict between Catholicism and the Red Pill as presented here is that getting married (and more important, keeping that marriage) is a goal for a Catholic man, but you advocate it is not worth it for a man to marry in our current society.… Read more »

Gordon
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Gordon

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Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

@Gordon Going off a strict interpretation of the Bible, sex in any form is sinful. Marriage is just the least sinful option. It is therefore not a goal so much as a compromise for those unable to resist their carnal desires. Strictly speaking the religious goal is to give the church a monopoly on sex (and by extension control of its members) by painting sex as sinful and making the only forgiveness for engaging in it available through the church. LTR as goal only comes about as a byproduct of your desire for sex and the church acting as a… Read more »

Mazrim
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Mazrim

I wholly agree-please don’t go public Rollo! As an avid reader of the blog & books I highly enjoyed and appreciate the interview. The love & concern for your work is palpable in your voice when you discuss book II. “Feminism is about retribution & restitution” is probably my favorite note I took. There’s lots of male senators facilitating feminism legislatively is a close second. That said, if Hillary wins can we expect what’s happening in Toronto-indoctrinating 1st graders with yes means yes & age of consent ideaoligy to appear here in the states (if it hasn’t already)? The First… Read more »

sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

“In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant’s gain (or loss) of utility is exactly balanced by the losses (or gains) of the utility of the other participant(s).” It’s not like it was a binary contest. Sure Christian is an AMOG (no offense). But Rollo was demonstrating without explaining what to do in that situation. I disagree that it was a significant problem having the host. Let’s face it, if Rollo and Christian didn’t do it for cross marketing, then we wouldn’t have gotten to benefit of listening… Read more »

Lion
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Lion

I finally made it through the whole interview. It’s tough when you have people interrupting all day long. It was good to hear you for the first time. Reading text does not always adequately convey the whole meaning, and it helps to hear your tone to understand the meaning a little clearer. Hearing you talk about mentoring is so much more meaningful than if you typed about it. It helps me build a better picture of who you are rather than letting my imagination use Issac Hayes as your speaking double 🙂

Mazrim
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Mazrim

Safety first Rollo!

Tam the Bam
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Tam the Bam

siffers:- Acchhtt .. dinnae, laddie. Good genetics? D’ye want a slap? I thought you were a scientist. Here. The boy has excellent thinking skills. Less good spelling skills (I’m 3/4 of the way thru the 2nd tome) Which, of those, would you give the advantage to? There is no magic bullet, it’s all hard work. Hard, hard uphill work. tl;dr says: fuck grammar, acquire knowledge. [and I don’t care, because it’s .. not made of wood.] God help us if all thought was made of mathematics, and suchlike shite. Seriously, do you want a fight? Should I bring a bow… Read more »

sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

I’m just jealous.

I can think like an inscrutable mastermind (very well), but I can’t speak or write for Scheiße. I think it genetic for me.

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

@sjfrellc

Get to work on your 10,000 hours.

sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

I’m past 100,000. And I tested myself online– I don’t have Asperger’s (not that there anything wrong with having it).

Lurker
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Lurker

I was going to ask about your writing style but sjfrellc just read my mind, so I join the chorus.

The Other Jim
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The Other Jim

Great interview. Rollo’s sound quality was good, Christian needs to get his mic fixed because of the background noise it sounded like he was doing the interview from his car. As for the content of the interview itself; 1. On the issue of male politicians, even with so called “conservative” ones enabling Feminism I suspect that another dynamic explaining what they do goes back to the old maxim of ‘Cherchez la femme'(Look to the woman!). Meaning that if one wants to understand the actions of a man, look to the women in his life. Usually that means his mother or… Read more »

AmusedMaster
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AmusedMaster

I’m quite torn on the issue of McQueen. I checked out his prior podcasts with Dagonet and he would AMOG that dude to the point of just being a dick. It’s as if he doesn’t quite know how to switch off his style off asshole-game when he’s around dudes. As much as this quality of his tends to grind my gears, I think we as a community should encourage the dude with constructive feedback. He’s still a relatively young dude with much to learn and, by god, he’s actually putting RP principles into practice which is a damn sight better… Read more »

sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

Excellent point #2 Jim. Remarkably, Christian’s one anecdote about the tatted stylist told ten thousand stories all at once, backed up by Rollo’s scenes from a clothing store experience. The Preventative Medicine book lays out in red pill detail the tableau facing facing modern social mores. It is shocking how young girls don’t see the writing on the wall. The Wall. Having Easter brunch with my family and talking with amused mastery with my daughter, I spoke of how she is at the peak of her value, right now at 23 years old. And it registered. I mentioned the Epiphany… Read more »

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

A hot woman with tattoos is like a Ferrari with bumper stickers. OK, it’s yours and you can do what you want with it. I might even take a ride in it once or twice just to see what it’s like to ride in a Ferrari. Just don’t expect me to buy it off you, because it looks like shit and there’s no telling how else you’ve mistreated it before expecting me to plunk down my hard-earned cash on the purchase.

kobayashii1681
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@Rollo: “Remember Red Pill awareness is the theory, Game is the practice.”

Words to live by!

kobayashii1681
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Great interview btw…saved and passed it on to fellow men.

@Sun – great Ferrari referrence.

TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

OT – but I have a question.

A sweet 27 year old spent last night with me..

She agreed up front there are no strings, no bullshit, she’s just DTF and I’m her man. She lives on my street and stated upon departure that we’ll do lunch quickies, evening rendezvous, etc.. wheneva.

My question is, can someone remind me why I’m supposed to be objectionable to this new feminine sexual liberation?

(half facetious / half serious)

Facetious: yes I know she is damaging her goods for any future marriage prospect (supposedly).

Serious: Ummm.. I like this type of arrangement.

Stefan
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Stefan

OPEN HYPERGAMY at its best ;)…

Jeremy
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@Sun Wukong Going off a strict interpretation of the Bible, sex in any form is sinful. Marriage is just the least sinful option. It is therefore not a goal so much as a compromise for those unable to resist their carnal desires. Not so much, Sun. I’m not religious, but that’s just not true. Religions simply wouldn’t last very long if they outlawed all sex. If the depopulation of their own congregations didn’t get them, natural human urges would. One of the first quotes from “God” in Genesis is, “Go forth, be fruitful and multiply.” If we’re going down this… Read more »

Jeremy
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@sjfrellc

I’m past 100,000….

One thing that helps your writing is reading what others write, and finding what’s wrong with it. You can do this with anyone, and engaging in a dialogue about what’s wrong with someone else’s writing is even more constructive, especially when it’s you who is wrong. If you want to improve your writing, you have to learn to be a critic of writing, which means practicing critical reading skills of the writing of others.

Jeremy
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@TuffLuv Serious: Ummm.. I like this type of arrangement. When you’re a man (alpha?) who is on the receiving end of the no-strings sexuality of women in an open hypergamy state, there is no downside. You are getting your sexual strategy filled, no caveats, no responsibilities. The women are getting at least one side of their sexual strategy filled in this arrangement. The other side (the practical, family/civilization-building side) get’s the shaft. These women are actually harming themselves and any future children tremendously. They don’t know this until later in their lives (if at all), but they are. If you’re… Read more »

TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

@Jeremy Thanks Buddy! It was a rhetorical question coming from me. I am getting and giving the ultimate shaft simultaneously. It’s funny how context means everything. I like the way you laid it out. But..I would like to ask/challenge you (or anyone) to elaborate on this… “These women are actually harming themselves and any future children tremendously. They don’t know this until later in their lives (if at all), but they are.” I mean I’ve read TRM (blogs).. I know it’s all in here.. and I can understand it being ego shattering when you’re the chump who commits to the… Read more »

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

@Jeremy “1 Corinthians Chapter 7 1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.” Quite bluntly: it’s being said that you shouldn’t have sex. That’s the only way to be “good”. But if you’re going to, at least don’t fornicate. Essentially it converts it from a major to a minor sin. “Go forth and multiply” was referring directly to the animals, maybe to the people. That’s not made… Read more »

Lucien
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Lucien

@TuffLuv Bro. At some point you’ll get sick of her. Or vice versa. Then you’ll be back to square one. If you’re very good, you’ll be able to pull another soon. If not, you will waste a lot of time and energy trying to reproduce your pleasant situation. If you are very good, then you will still, probably, get bored at some point. You might want family. Stability. Kids. Not to be alone on your deathbed. If you ever decide that you do, then it is one of these easy lays you are likely to end up with. If not,… Read more »

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong
sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

TuffLuv, Your questioning is perplexing. She is a grown woman and can take care of herself (or not). You don’t care about her outcome down the road. You are not considering her for a LTR right? What do you care if someone does in the future? Hasn’t this woman told you she doesn’t want committment in words and action. When women say it overtly, sometimes they mean it. Stop thinking with your 2015 blue-pill fore-brain (which is still in the divorce process, no?). Think with your 10,000 year old red-pill hind-brain. And you are sure it’s not a trick by… Read more »

Amit
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I came across this clip again after a long time… After reading this blog for a while, it actually seems like Im watching a brand new clip:

jimmy the saint
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jimmy the saint

@ Lucien “Not to be alone on your deathbed”

http://therationalmale.com/2015/02/15/end-of-life-issues/

Gordon
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Gordon

@Sun Wukong

I completely disagree with you. From the Biblie, sex is not sinful, it was created by God for us to reproduce. The carnal desire is kind of a “mechanism” for us to desire to reproduce.

TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

@Lucien Yeah, I agree with your entire post.. and this.. But look. I was on top of the world for years, when I had it good. Then I didn’t. And I still had the rest of my life to live. I can totally relate to. I’m seeing both sides of a shiny freshly minted coin for sure. All I was trying to say is if you look at it from a purely sexual standpoint, there’s not a lot of difference between being the PUA player (given that you have moderate success), and committing to a former CC rider. The quality… Read more »

thedeti
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A couple of things: 1. Thanks for the shout out, Rollo, but I didn’t predict that Yes Means Yes would soon become widespread or controlling law around the US. Novaseeker did that, at JustFourGuys and Dalrock, and elsewhere. I just put it on blast around the manosphere. Right now, YMY is controlling at state supported California institutions of higher education. The move is on to spread it to more college campi around the nation. And YMY’s advocates want it as a fixture of criminal law, which would absolutely revolutionize rape law and intersexual relations as we know them. I can… Read more »

TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

sorry.. Should have said:

There’s not a whole lot of difference from a purely sexual perspective.

FinnishRedPill
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FinnishRedPill

Rollo, Thanks for the great podcast/interview. From my point of view you also outshined Mr. McQueen, and it was really nice listening to your calm and thoughtful voice. It got me thinking that would be nice for you to make more podcasts of your own, to play with these topics you write about in a live setting. Have you ever thought about that? We had a radio format here (in Finland, where I live) couple of years ago: a local self-help guru/business guru had a monologue-based radio show, which became really popular and also received kind of a cult following.… Read more »

sjfrellc
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sjfrellc

Tuff, “So the remaining question is, is the girl worth the LTR (aside from the sex)?” No. And you shouldn’t have thoughts of a LTR when initiating a relationship any more than you should have a million frontal cortex thoughts in your head when you are teeing up a golf shot. I see a one hundred eighty degree difference. You are thinking in an equalist feminist mind-set. You can reach equilibrium, sure at the juncture where you are spreading your cheap sperm and she is exercising her AF’s strategy. If she isn’t on the pill, I would suggest you get… Read more »

TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

Sorry for being unclear.. I wasn’t talking about me. I was talking about young men (in general) who might be playing, but with the underlying goal of finding the right girl to settle down (start a family) with eventually, and a mindset for evaluating that. My point is that the girls you are banging are no different (sexually) than the girl you’ll probably eventually call yours. The only way around that is to marry a very young girl with a very low or non-existent N-count, or a girl who’s remained chaste, both of those having their own massive problems bubbling… Read more »

CrabRangoon
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CrabRangoon

Great interview Rollo! I’ve been following your blog but it’s always cool to hear a real voice.

Flatnose
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Flatnose

The Truth is a double edged sword…Excellent interview Rollo. I agree with The Other Jim…going public risks your crucifixion.

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Mr. Chege
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Mr. Chege

thank you Rollo for your work

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