Donal Graeme had some very relevant ‘musings’ about last week’s post that summed things up and provides me with a great prelude into this week’s post. I hadn’t intended these last couple of posts (and now this one) to become another series (again). I suppose they are now, but I don’t think I’ve quite hit this from all angles just yet. In the interests of full disclosure I should point out that these last three posts were inspired by the first section of the Preventive Medicine book I’m presently working on so it helps organize my thoughts.
From Donal Graeme’s Removing the Mask:
Many, if not most, men would not be content to marry a woman whom they realize is choosing to marry them solely as a meal ticket, and effectively a sperm donor as well. It should surprise no one that men don’t like to be used in that way, and will balk at it if they realize that is what is happening. Hence the importance of hiding what is going on from them.
On the other hand, this repulsion at being used is mitigated/countered by a sense of desperation in many men in the West. Owing to the nature of the SMP, they have limited options when it comes to female companionship. Naturally, this makes them desperate, and they are willing to take on women they wouldn’t otherwise if it gets them at least some measure of opportunity with them.
What seems to be happening is that many women are now certain that male desperation in the future will be greater than any sense of male self-respect, and so they can do whatever they want and not have to hide it. Part of me wonders if women see the ability to be open about their intentions/strategy as a status symbol- a woman who can act that way is a woman of value, and therefore a woman to be envied. The problem with this strategy, though, is that it relies on male desperation not having any limits. I suspect this to be a grave mistake. This is because the average quality of women in the West has been dropping fast, perhaps even faster than male desperation has been rising. If that is the case, we will soon reach a point where most men will simply not accept the (Western) women who are available, no matter how desperate they might have become.
All of this plays into part of this subject- the looming fight between women. Women at the margins of “value” will start to feel the pinch first. The “where have all the good men gone?” articles out there seem to indicate that this has already begun. It will only increase in tempo over time as more and more women drop below the acceptable rate for most men. Combine this with many men being burned or realizing what a danger most Western women are, and you get a huge disparity in outcome between the female “haves” and “have-nots”.
This may seem optimistic coming from me, but I think it will be ‘educated’ men who are the 3rd rail in this equation.
Men at the top end of the SMV curve will always be the commodity over which women will feel entitled to. Feminine hypergamy does not seek its own level, it looks for a better-than-market optimization. Thus the ideal ‘balance’ is one where there is a greater than 1-2 SMV degree difference between that of a man and the women he spins as plates or considers to become intimate with in the long term.
The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies
For one sex’s sexual strategy to become realized, the other sex’s strategy must be compromised or abandoned entirely.
One of the greatest misdirections of gender understanding over the past 60 years has been the idea that both men and women should share the same sexual strategy. A naive equalitarian ideology dictates the need for both genders to have equally similar, cooperative gender life goals, and equally similar methods to realize them. But as with most feminine-primary social engineering, Mother Nature and men and women’s biological imperatives are always at odds with this.
Generally this assimilation of a commonized sexual strategy is ingrained early on in men’s feminization conditioning. I use the term ‘assimilation’ because men are taught and conditioned to presume that the feminine sexual strategy (however most women subjectively choose to define it) is universally the correct strategy – and any deviation from what ultimately serves feminine hypergamy is met with ridicule at best, accusations of misogyny and ostracization at worst.
The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality.
Roissy dropped this maxim years ago, but in its simplicity it defines the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies as they apply to a post-sexual revolution, feminine-primary society. Remove all constraints on hypergamy, maximally forcing men to compromise or abandon the male sexual strategy.
As I outlined in the last post, feminine hypergamy essentially revolves around optimizing (and maximally protracting) women’s unilateral sexual selection from Good Genes men and Good Dad’s men. Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks.
From a biological perspective men’s sexual imperative is one of unlimited access to unlimited sexual availability. This isn’t to discount the very strong impulse in men to seek assurances of paternity in the children they ultimately sire, however, prior to his parental investment, the male impetus is to seek unlimited access to unlimited sexuality.
When we consider a male sexual imperative in the biological respect, and the strategies men use to effect it, it becomes easier to understand the social conventions and engineering the Feminine Imperative uses to control and maximally restrict men as sexual selectors.
Widespread ubiquitous pornography and then the social pathologizing of the male sexual response (while empowering and encouraging the female sexual response) are two very easy observations of this control. However, when we consider paternity laws, legal bans on genetic paternity testing, outlawing testosterone while making female hormones readily available and many other legal and social trends that restrict the male control not just of women’s hypergamous priority, but any degree of a man’s shadow of his own sexual strategy’s control, Roissy’s maxim becomes all the more clear.
Is Game Adversarial?
Almost three years ago I considered this question in a post. My critic at the time posed this to me:
“My biggest problem with the Ro writers is that Game is by definition adversarial. It’s us against them, don’t let the bitch win. That is most definitely Rollo’s approach, yet he commands respect from men here. I can only assume that good men read a lot of Roissy, Roosh or Rollo, incorporate some small fraction of it, and use it to improve their relationships, rather than for nefarious means.”
It took time for me to come into an understanding of the real nature of this
distortion concern until May’s tragic events and the deliberate misdirections that followed it in the media and the blogosphere proper.
Game is adversarial because it has to be. I’ve gone on record stating that Game is the logical response to the changes feminism has wrought in society and gender relations over the course of the last 60 or so years, but it’s really more than that.
Game is a threat to feminine-primacy because it returns a degree of control of sexual strategy prioritization back into the hands of men. Game challenges that maximal restriction of male sexuality and leverages (however marginally) some of women’s hypergamous choice to his own purpose.
The Feminine Imperative hates Game because it’s an effective tool against its control – so anyone steeped in the conditioning of the imperative will naturally perceive that challenge as being adversarial. You’ll notice this (female) critic’s first concern was to presume men would use Game and a red pill awareness for ‘nefarious’ ends. This is a prime illustration of that terror of losing hypergamous control.
Tricks and Traps
As I mentioned at the beginning, hypergamy does not seek it’s own level. An ever pragmatic evolution drives hypergamy to seek a better-than-equal pairing. This is the evolutionary jackpot: to combine and send one’s genes into future generations with a (at least perceptually) better than equitable genetic match – and ensure one’s progeny with a better than SMV equitable provisioning.
For all of the handwringing about assortive mating recently, evolution’s capacity to adapt stagnates and stunts under conditions of homogeny. It may occur under less than ideal circumstance from a moral perspective, but assortive mating is regularly thwarted by the (usually hypergamous) drive to mate with a better than equitable sexual market value than the lesser partner.
The problem with the assortive mating equation is that hypergamy has two sides and two (often conflicting) aspects to optimizing it – Good Genes / Good Dad (Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks). Assortive mating is not the same order as assortive pairing.
Nature has selected-for women with an instinctual capacity to satisfy and optimize the visceral needs of short-term breeding and optimizing on the genetic aspects of hypergamy. However the better-than-SMV assortive pairing aspect relies on men adhering to and behaving within defined roles in order to optimize it.
The Feminine Imperative needs honest provider males to behave predictably in order for women to select a better than equitable provider.
The Feminine Imperative demands assurances of both better than equitable breeding and better than equitable provisioning – and it’s got a very brief window of sexual peak SMV competitiveness in which to assure them.
The imperative needs men to fulfill these roles according to calculated and defined sexual stations of each man. So any duplicity or challenge on the part of men to this defined order is a threat to the assurances that women need to optimize hypergamy. Hypergamy’s optimal window of peak SMV for women can’t afford to be tricked into presuming men are anything less or more than their feminine sexual strategies define those men’s roles as.
Hypergamy can’t afford tricks, the ‘tricks’ that Game’s breaking of their sexual strategy’s code represents to women expecting to have their sexual strategy remain unilaterally dominant. As women’s comfort level has increased with the confidence that their strategy will contain that of men’s, they are that much more offended when their strategy is figured out and read back to them by red pill aware men.
It’s an uncomfortable reminder that they’ve traded their believed capacity to intuitively filter for themselves the men who best fill their hypergamous roles; traded that is for the comfort of having men socially controlled to expect to fulfill those roles as a default.
This outrage isn’t just limited to women’s hypergamous ‘exploratory’ years in her SMV peak. Whenever you read an article or hear some 33 year old woman lament the lack of marriageable men of ‘equal’ pairing to themselves (intellectually, professionally or otherwise) know that every cry of ‘Man Up’ is really a frustrated cry over men not playing by the conditioning the Feminine Imperative assured them men would play by, before or once they got to the point of losing the capacity to attract those men.
That’s the trap.
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And Vasalgel will effectively be the industrial automation of Game for the masses.
Women thinking they can openly flaunt the AF/BB strategy is similar to their belief that copying overconfident cad behavior will be equally attractive. It will blow up in their faces. Going forward they will have more competition in the form of global travel, pornography, sex bots, etc. Things are going to get much tougher for them.
“Game is a threat to feminine-primacy because it returns a degree of control of sexual strategy prioritization back into the hands of men. Game challenges that maximal restriction of male sexuality and leverages (however marginally) some of women’s hypergamous choice to his own purpose. The Feminine Imperative hates Game because it’s an effective tool against its control – so anyone steeped in the conditioning of the imperative will naturally perceive that challenge as being adversarial. You’ll notice this (female) critic’s first concern was to presume men would use Game and a red pill awareness for ‘nefarious’ ends. This is a… Read more »
Widespread use of Vasagel is just as likely to result in the Betas not breeding at all. Considering the direction of child support law it’s a short trip from here to the mother being able to designate any particular man she’s slept with as liable for support. So the loser alpha with no money gets away with reckless breeding, responsible beta gets the bill.
Vasagel is impotent in the face of the new DNA/paternity testing paradigm.
It’s an easy balance when it is assumed that the relationships of celebrities are somehow PROOF that that it will work out as well or better for her. Her ‘perfect’ man is still out there! Just this week I’ve witnessed someone’s online meltdown after realizing that ‘he’ hasn’t swept her off of her feet yet. She referred, of course, to Patti Stanger (with her younger man on vacation in Hawaii) and Katie Couric (just remarried) as proof that it’s all going to magically work out, she has plenty of time.
I love this quote from Dalrock :
“The shift is women who are in their 20s today. When that cohort reaches their 30s and finds it difficult to marry en masse is when the real gnashing of teeth will start.”
The nefarious means is the “just get it ” guy that they are worried will spread information to the guy who doesn’t it. It’s the song “ooh la la”. It’s the guy who potentially would’ve been waiting for Sandberg’s homies being filled in on what’s going on, and saying no, I’m better able to enjoy my time now and I won’t be waiting for you. Also, saying nefarious reasons is the same old attempt at using a fear of offending women that Esther Vilar talked about. And I’m wondering when signs will start showing up in main stream media that… Read more »
And the last paragraph says it all… Women who complain of the “Man Up” syndrome are women who wanted the best of both worlds. They thought, in their mid to late 20s, time would always be on their side and that they could afford to manipulate, test and ditch one or two decent and genuine willing male takers. In the midst of all this, they would have often still been playing away with jerks, thugs or social proof men who were far more popular with women. But time holds no prisoners in a woman’s world, and as the big 30th… Read more »
Thanks for the thoughtful article. You said “men don’t like being used as a meal ticket and sperm donor.” Men in the West have *always* been used this way, and at least subconsciously, they know it. The thing is, society used to grant men certain benefits in recognition of their great sacrifice in slaving to support others besides just himself: a certain amount of respect and deference, recognized as head of the household, even custody of children in the event of a divorce. The difference today is, while men are still expected to be the meal ticket and sperm donor,… Read more »
Excellent article, as usual. Every man should read this. For one sex’s sexual strategy to become realized, the other sex’s strategy must be compromised or abandoned entirely. Precisely. The idea of “equal partnership” is a myth, one of the major weapons of the Female Imperative in its modern incarnation. Everything in Nature is hierarchical; in any relationship there will be a higher and a lower, a winner and a loser if we must be frank about it. The only question is, which will you be? Who is to be the master of your life? As the old aphorism puts it,… Read more »
Got a conspiracy theory for you. Research and development is progressing promisingly with Vasalgel. Alarm is sounded. Prior to the time the product is able to be brought to market, the push for banning paternity tests is started. In the future, woman gets pregnant. Claims she’s only been with this one guy recently, so he’s the father. You’ll have to pay support. Man says it can’t be me, I use Vasalgel. You’ve been with someone else that I didn’t know. Woman says even Vasalgel isn’t 100%. It’s you. Man says, then we’ll do a paternity test. Courts say nope, they’ve… Read more »
re: nefarious. In context it merely means *hazardous* to women’s control. Women are that solipsistic that they believe any danger to the FI is inherently eevil.
I’m collecting dangerous-sounding, retribution-sounding words suitable for blackknight gamertags, without definite connotation of eevil. So, Nefarious Deed is out, but Hazard Signal would be ok albeit cheesy. Present Danger is better.
Here’s where I’m at, as of last night: balancing Eccl 7:16 “Be not righteous overmuch” and 7:17 “Be not overmuch wicked”.
“Feminine Imperative assured them men would play by”
women lie…..and most of all to themselves
Explain yourself. I see you here (and in the last threat) claiming that the social reprogramming that the manosphere purports to teach is replaceable with medical technology. I’d like to understand the miracle drug.
Home run. You’ve really been on a roll lately.
So when’s the next book coming out?
No promises (like last time) but I’m shooting for October.
In just a few minutes of conversation it is clear that the most blatant women who expect financial support and a wedding aren’t worth spending time to even talk to. I just laugh at their tragic lives with no self-knowledge and walk away.
You want to book to coincide with Halloween?
First I’m hearing about a trend toward preventing paternity testing, can someone point us all to some data on this?
want the book
Crap, deliver is everything when it comes to telling jokes.
Anuny, you can google “countries banning paternity testing”
Great post Rollo. Your writings continue to remind me to keep my eyes and ears open, especially around women form the 28-33 age range. It’s really fascinating to see them react to male unpredictability. They assume we’ll fall in line with their frame and when we go off script, they loose it. Shaming techniques, crying jags, withholding sex, etc…I’ve seen it all. It makes so much more sense with the knowledge of your SMV graph. Keep the hits coming! I recommend your book to all guys I know.
I miss Mark Minter’s comments. Anybody seen him post lately somewhere? Thanks for the great post again Rollo.
Mark’s posted in just about the last 4 threads, usually quite long posts and then he’s gone.
“that this has already begun. It will only increase in tempo over time as more and more women drop below the acceptable rate for most men. Combine this with many men being burned or realizing what a danger most Western women are, and you get a huge disparity in outcome between the female “haves” and “have-nots” “The shift is women who are in their 20s today. When that cohort reaches their 30s and finds it difficult to marry en masse is when the real gnashing of teeth will start.” I will be very curious to see whether the predicted ballooning… Read more »
@D-Man The problem with disenfranchised women is that they’re usually post-wall, and thus any bitterness they develop does not have the same cure that younger, disenfranchised men have. Men who feel this way are usually late-20s to even early 40s. For these men, as long as you can convince them that their best years are just ahead, you can convince them to get back on the horse and improve themselves. For post-wall spinsters, it is many times like throwing lipstick on a rapidly aging pig. They’ve never had to do the hard work to improve themselves like men have, they’ve… Read more »
“”As women’s comfort level has increased with the confidence that their strategy will contain that of men’s, they are that much more offended when their strategy is figured out and read back to them by red pill aware men.”” Great post. I’ve seen this so often where beta orbiter “appears” to be doing great with girls because he’s surrounded by them. But when you probe a bit more, he’s paying for their drinks, or dinners or driving them around. It’s not clear whether he’s banging them or they’re just “friends”…more likely “Friends”. I used to be envious of this type… Read more »
This seems relevant.
Despite Paltrow allowing him an open marriage, her increasing shrewness and control issues and obsession with getting old pushed Martin away a long time ago. Their “Conscious Uncoupling” news bulletin was a result of months of preparations by her with her press agents. But she has so far failed to ignite *any* other man’s interest, despite desperately attending soirees to try to hookup with rich producers etc. She has found the SMP for a divorced mother in her 40s to be extremely problematic, even for a rich famous woman.
Sounds like Martin brought home the hard dread.
I agree Jeremy, I guess asked those questions quasi-rhetorically.
Still, if they have the stomach for it, these bitter women could find many a truth already laid out for them in places like this.
They might realize how they, too, have been lied to.
My prediction: a few might. Most will bleat
In 20 years, women are in for a rude awakening.
I agree D-Man, which is why I wholeheartedly agree with Roosh, Rollo, and others when they say that bitterness against feminism/women is something the manosphere should ultimately avoid. We should tolerate it, because frankly it’s a valid emotion when recognizing that you were lied to by people who cared about you. But it should be avoided in the blogging because we (as men) are in the position *TO* avoid it. Women who are finally hit in the face with the lies will have no option but bleating and neverending anger at having the rug pulled from underneath them by biology.… Read more »
“Where have all the good men…” is not a new lament. I have been hearing it for 50 years. Some women have always been under the impression that they have forever.
Ask me respectfully.
I don’t have time for anything more than a short comment right now. I wanted to address something Robert mentioned- You said “men don’t like being used as a meal ticket and sperm donor.” Men in the West have *always* been used this way, and at least subconsciously, they know it. The thing is, society used to grant men certain benefits in recognition of their great sacrifice in slaving to support others besides just himself: a certain amount of respect and deference, recognized as head of the household, even custody of children in the event of a divorce. The difference… Read more »
Please stop being a little bitch.
I’m gonna drop this here because I think it’s going to be relevant to the discussions this thread will prompt at some point: http://www.rooshv.com/the-wall-is-softer-than-we-think I may actually do a response post to this, but I have to admit I do see where Roosh is coming from here. My criticisms would be that while women will always have a degree of sexual selectivity, there’s a difference in whom they’re able to select at 25 as opposed to 35. When you consider the 20% to 80% ratio of Alpha to Beta men, I’d agree that (considering a woman makes an effort) there… Read more »
Even if they’re outlawed by the feminist imperative, ‘home’ or self-paternity tests are getting cheaper and easier to use. My older brother works in this field, and his red-pill-based commentary is interesting (he’s not the usual panty-waist scientist): “The use of the test should be explained to women by the concerned male as a screen for manifest genetic deficiencies. What woman doesn’t want her little snowflake to be perfect.”
Bam; ‘kid is or ain’t mine.’
Is the constantly increasing enabling of false sexual assault claims and pushing back of due process in defense of those false claims, an anti-alpha, anti-game strategy?
What is going to happen when even the PUAs, jocks and CEOs become afraid of trying to get laid despite women throwing themselves at them?
The real reason they want to ban paternity tests is because the doctors KNOW the cuckold rate is way higher that 1-3% (which is still bad. Its closer to 1 in 3. And yes it is better for the mother and child for it not to be known, because the cuckolded fathers would rebel and some would engage in violence. Anyone that wants to keep a dad in the dark is the moral equivalent of an accessory to rape. What amazes me is people even in the sphere don’t recognize that the interests of men and women are inherently adversarial.… Read more »
@Jacklabear “Is the constantly increasing enabling of false sexual assault claims and pushing back of due process in defense of those false claims, an anti-alpha, anti-game strategy? What is going to happen when even the PUAs, jocks and CEOs become afraid of trying to get laid despite women throwing themselves at them?” This is just one more fitness test, one more way to weed out alphas and beta. It is also an attempt to corral the alphas. An alpha would be undeterred, it makes the beta timid. Screening process enabled. Second, the women think it will give them control over… Read more »
Rollo @ 2:02 – if there’s any sentiment among red-pill shut-ins that they’re going to magically receive the benefits of post-wall realities – relative to women their age – as they get older, they are sorely mistaken. As a man, you’re not going to see any evident discrepancy in a woman’s ‘choice privilege’ unless you yourself have some degree of ‘choice’ in women yourself. You have to create the abundance of opportunity so that you’ll have a tangible, real world reference point as to how the quality and quantity of men a post-wall woman can attract truly does diminish with… Read more »
The alphas may be undeterred, but I notice most of the news of male sexual persecution is towards alpha types.
Guess who will be filling the sex crime concentration camps?
With guards being short haired radical feminists 🙂
“As I outlined in the last post, feminine hypergamy essentially revolves around optimizing (and maximally protracting) women’s unilateral sexual selection from Good Genes men and Good Dad’s men. Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks.” I posted a good comment on Roissy’s blog about this, (the Good Genes part) and a couple of hours later, it was completely removed by him. It wasn’t stuck in moderation or anything because other commentors replied to my comment and some agreed with it. I cited a study that showed how women orgasm from men who were symmetrical/good looking. The woman’s orgasms didn’t come from romantic… Read more »
“Anyone that wants to keep a dad in the dark is the moral equivalent of an accessory to rape.” 100% agree. The stats I’ve read put it in the 5-10% range… but whatever it is, it’s high time for light to shine on it, and public comeuppance for impostors. Doesn’t it BLOW YOUR MIND how many families of the past have referred to a totally unexpected conception (Dad was out of town on business while Mom was ovulating, he must have SUPER SPERM that stayed alive for a week!), and the child that resulted from it, as a MIRACLE!??!?!!? Quite… Read more »
@D-Man June 25th, 2014 at 3:13 pm “Anyone that wants to keep a dad in the dark is the moral equivalent of an accessory to rape.” 100% agree. The stats I’ve read put it in the 5-10% range… but whatever it is, it’s high time for light to shine on it, and public comeuppance for impostors. One thing that isn’t considered in the developed world, it gets swept under the rug, is the seemingly random murder-suicides within an immediate family. It is actually far more common than gun-rampages at gun-free-zones. A random family in the U.S., seemingly happy with themselves,… Read more »
Speaking of the rape analogy, let’s do a little thought experiment, shall we Imagine a survey where you give guys a choice: A: One brief humiliating encounter where you are penetrated by another guy. You get to use lube (women’s vaginas lubricate defensively), and you can get blackout drunk beforehand if you like B: EIGHTEEN YEARS MINIMUM of raising or supporting some other asshole’s kid, EIGHTEEN YEARS of looking your wife (or ex-wife, doesn’t matter, you’ll still hafta deal with her) in the eye, knowing she fucked this guy in your marital bed, knowing she’s spending your money mostly on… Read more »
@jacklabear Is the constantly increasing enabling …an anti-alpha, anti-game strategy? What is going to happen when even the PUAs, jocks and CEOs become afraid of trying to get laid despite women throwing themselves at them? That’s another interesting line of thought. What I would wager is going to happen (and I think someone else hinted at this already) is that ever-increasing restrictions on male sexuality, combined with ever-more-public displays of AF/BB strategy, will continue to shrink the available pool of alphas willing to take the risks associated with women. As the risks to person/finance/future increase, the number of alphas willing… Read more »
@Jeremy, wow I never thought of that. I could easily see that being enough to make some regular guys snap
For a REAL eye-opener, give that same survey to women…
I would wager a HIGHER percentage of them would choose option A over the men, when faced with the thought of paying for some other woman’s kid that their husband fucked.
No doubt. Women often appear as if they do not understand the value of money, as if they’re willing to spend their husband into the poorhouse. But when you ask those same women to accept wage garnishment, or a constant drain on their finances for something outside of their control, they flip out. They clearly understand money just as well as men do, but with the pervasive NPD, many seem to consider the men in their lives to be meal tickets.
I believe there are also significant studies that show that the female orgasm does indeed facilitate conception. If so, that would be a confirmation of AF/BB from a biological standpoint.
I know, it’s a sickening thought experiment.
And here’s the kicker: if you choose option A, *you don’t have to tell anyone about it*
Of course, women will pipe up and say: “This survey thing is not fair, it’s not the same, rape is when you don’t have a choice, it’s about POWER!”
To which I say: exactly
” . . . for nefarious means.”
For once I wish my mustache were twirlable.
Jeremy, you first.
btw the Wall isn’t softer than *I* think (I don’t do Roosh, or Heartiste). The Wall may be a little *thicker* than some people think, but once a woman finds herself on the other side of the Wall, whether that happens at 33 or 38, she’ll definitely feel it was hard.
@D-man, so you’re saying the only reason so many men find themselves getting something like option B so often is because they aren’t permitted to get option A?
LOL, no I’m just saying that many people of both genders would likely consider B to be at least as bad as A, so the comparison of rape to paternity fraud is a valid one.
Both violate and leave someone powerless. Awareness of one is a ubiquitous society-wide campaign (not saying it shouldn’t be), but the other is silenced. Mandated away. A wave of the hand.
Quite a balancing act.
Explain yourself. I see you here (and in the last thread) claiming that the social reprogramming that the manosphere purports to teach is replaceable with medical technology. I’d like to understand the miracle drug.
Jeremy, ask respectfully.
A culture such as our own which no longer has any mechanism to develop such adult males—other than military basic training, which produces a twisted, crippled version—is in serious trouble.
I dunno. There’s motorcycle gangs.
And “twisted” ?
“No better friend No worse enemy.” – US Marines
Roosh is 100% correct in his analysis, the single most important aspect concerning sexual dynamics that is completely overlooked by the manosphere are demographics and population pyramids. Despite all the good evo psycho sexual analysis the numbers are what they are and all the game in the world can’t change the general dynamics. Given that men mate down in years, any population growth stagnation or contraction (which is what is happening in the West) simply means there are more men competing for fewer women. It’s that simple, there will be no grand comeuppance. (Look at a population pyramid, if the… Read more »
There are no such thing as “good”.genes. Wish everybody would stop going on about that.
Good genes implies that evolution has some sort of direction or purpose, which it does not.
Acksiom won’t defend his claim. I submit he has no backing for his claim.
Hence, there is no miracle drug for game.
June 25th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
Good genes implies that evolution has some sort of direction or purpose, which it does not.
But women do have a purpose and a direction. They select for physical strength, brains, inner strength, and bottom of the list – beauty. Generally.
Fromt he last thread, the very best explication I’ve yet seen of the “Lean In”/open nature of AF/BB: Courtesy Retrenched at :http://therationalmale.com/2014/06/18/controlling-interests/comment-page-2/#comment-44225 “It’s just so over the top and in your face, really, this open taunting of beta men. Telling beta men, straight up, ‘We’re going to sleep with guys we think are hotter than you, and then when we’ve decided that we’ve slept with enough of them, we’re going to settle for you. And you will be there, because you have to be, and there’s nothing you can do about it. In fact, we’re so sure that you’ll be… Read more »
“Good genes implies that evolution has some sort of direction or purpose, which it does not.”
It does, however, have an effect.
@George, C&P’d from the last comment thread:
Genetic superiority is relative to an organism’s ability to adapt to its environment better than others.
That said, there are physical and behavioral cues which imply “good genes” which have evolved to be ‘Alpha signaling’ arousal triggers for women.
A particular man may suffer from latent genetic defects that make him and any offspring less able to adapt, but so long as he is extrinsically arousing for a woman he’ll breed more than men possessing less arousing Alpha cues.
Jeremy won’t ask respectfully. I submit he is not trying to get an explanation.
Hence, he shall not get any attention.
@Johnycomelately, it’s true, you wont change the general dynamic, but you can Game the dynamic, you can work the dynamic to your relative advantage and you can maneuver within the dynamic IF you have a workable, predictable and knowledgable awareness of the mechanics of the dynamic.
While I agree with Roosh’s assessment about men’s desire to see justice in the Wall (which I personally have more times than not), I don’t think the dynamic is as hopeless and unworkable as he’s presenting it.
“As long as there are more males than females beta bucks is a winning strategy.” — but there aren’t for post-Wall women, especially when you factor in even a smattering of hypergamy. I was talking to a guy last night, he’s three years older than me, (44), went on Plenty of Fish a couple months back, wakes up to several hundred emails a day, even has women sending him naked pics out of the blue. Some of them are apparently not complete landwhales. Joke is, they’re mostly in Sarasota, and he always has to go down there to see them–we’re… Read more »
I believe that young girls around the age of 14/15 should be taught a class in school about the fact that as females they only have 10 prime years (18-28) to attract the best mate possible and to use that time wisely when they leave school and go out into the world, or they’ll end up like the cast of Sex and the City.
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How long ago was that People Magazine cover for Gwyneth Paltrow?
I followed your argument up until “As long as there are more males than females beta bucks is a winning strategy.”
A winning strategy for who, men or women? And why?
“As long as there are more males than females beta bucks is a winning strategy.” There is an event horizon at some point. The marriage rate is still dropping like a stone. The ultimate provider government is going to fail eventually, and the more single moms out their raising kids, the more dysfunctional the men and women getting raised. Every society that engages in our current form of lunacy passes that horizon eventually and gets destroyed. There was recently an article Roissy had up showing that being a criminal is more “reproductively fit” then not (a better word then good… Read more »
re: “Women who’ve kept their looks at that age [40+] tend to date men in their late 50s, even early 60s.”
Ooh, the horror. “Even” mid 60s, just saying.
@johnnycomelately re: “all the game in the world can’t change the general dynamics.”
True at a macro level. But what *would* instantly make a huge macro change is a wide distribution of chemicals to enhance female libido.
Generational imbalances in the general population are cyclic and dynamically stable, not unstable. Right now, China is actually hurting worse than anyone, because I believe currently their largest demographic is men between the ages of 15 and 35. But these imbalances only last a generation or so, then it rebounds. The “trend” is exponential then (I believe) logarithmically increasing depending on resources, but definitely cyclic.
That said, there’s always perturbations to consider, and the sexual revolution and it’s afterbirths are a definite perturbation.
what age did you marry/meet your wife?
And to keep a high smv girl (or at least one that’s hotter than you) to chase you and keep going to you for sex what is the most important thing to do…? Basically if you were to summarize it up in a sentence or a few words….
This comment is gonna go around the block to seem relevant to this post but bear with me. Consider this song from Talk Talk from The Spirit of Eden album from 1988 called “I Believe In You”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cIWsQuYVegalk Talk Talk was a band from the 80s that had a growing commercial MTV style success with a synth pop style with the first Albums, Talk Talk, It’s My Life, and Colour of Spring. I was among their fans. In 1988 they released this album The Spirit of Eden and it was a radical departure from anything that came before. It pissed… Read more »
One last comment to all those women who are stressed out because they waited past their viable SMV, Game is the new “disruptive technology” to the old mating game, men aren’t manning up to marry 30+ carousel riders, and the pool seems small to them then there is always Pinterest because …
STRESSED spelled backwards is “DESSERTS”
What I do not quite get is the histrionics about Vasalgel.
Sure, they might not let you DNA test the child, alright.
So, you present your spermiogram after the procedure and your current one that you had done for this very special occasion and your sperm count should be zero.
So, whoever fathered the child, it definitely was not you.
“Once the civil war hits the west, and make no mistake its coming in one form or another soon, there will be a lot less men.”
It’s not going to be particularly easy on Entitlement Princesses either.
@ donalgraeme – Great observation. The former beta deal was not so bad. In exchange for okay sex, given begrudgingly at times, the man provided and protected and was respected for doing so. Today? It’s rare. There are two important things I want to point out here. 1. It’s not just female sexual strategies that have changed, it’s the entire organization of the family. Today, I rarely see a man operating as the “head of household” – even if he is paying all the bills. Women are constantly being aggressive, dominant and most become adamantly hostile to male dominance. In… Read more »
@Glenn, you’ve likely read this already, but I’ll link it anyway for the benefit of your friend:
Glenn connects a solid. “I don’t get much interest from the young hotties, but all I do now is look for the one who is. The one’s who aren’t interested are invisible to me now – isn’t that great? I used to feel like I was invisible to them – this is the difference between an alpha and a beta mindset. And in any event, if I do make a connection there, it will be just one of several women I’m pursuing as when I’m focused on just one woman I can’t be detached. Abundance and plate spinning really change… Read more »
Betas and Beta “production” were/was always the target of the FI. If it were not so widespread and uncontrolled it would seem like deliberate brainwashing. What is supposed to keep any individual whole is an acceptance of the reality their senses give to them. Obviously, time, place, and chance vary; These things will make our experienced sensations vary quite a bit in a population. The manufacturing of a beta, a true-believer beta, requires that some or all of his ability to perceive his reality and himself be rendered useless. This is best done early in life, when the mind is… Read more »
Jeremy has struck oil, and it’s a gusher. “The FI has always been there to make betas of late-blooming men.”
And, maybe alphas are just the early bloomers who get used to female attention. A LOT can be inferred from Jeremy’s idea.
@ Rollo – Thanks for the link, I’ll share it with my friend and yes I’ve read it and every other article on this site, some multiple times in fact. It’s very hard to internalize this stuff as it goes against so much conditioning but if one keeps at it, one will “pop”. @ Jeremy and Rollo – Alpha and Beta wrt how they are spoken about here are evidenced by mindset and behavior, yes? SMV is a separate concept and while a man may have some genetic/biological advantages wrt SMV, I know many good looking, high earning men who… Read more »
There was recently an article Roissy had up showing that being a criminal is more “reproductively fit” then not (a better word then good genes, and the person that thinks women select for anything other than thuggery is mistaken.
Thuggery is only an indicator. What women want is a protector. Her children, her, her welfare. Courage is what they want to see. If you can fake courage you are home free. Disciplined courage. Being a risk taker is an indicator.
Do you agree that alpha and beta are innate? Do you think that any man can adopt an alpha mindset? Why or why not?
Look up “monkey politics”. Most men can. Not all.
@spicoli: He’s around. You can follow my gravatar to our site where he writes and I entertain in the intermissions.
I believe everything I am currently thinking can be summed up in this quotation: “The romanticized notion of what we think of as ‘Honor’ today is simply a tool for the Feminine Imperative:”- Rollo
Here, Glenn: http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/18/the-honor-system/
When women don’t teach children to respect their fathers, the honor system breaks down. In the case of divorce, children, even more solipsistic than women, become “war children.” They are not to blame for this, but, it is the outcome unless both biological parents *actively* work to include each other.
Yes, as I reread, I was wrong in that paragraph of mine. What I was trying to do was to illustrate differing levels of alpha and how they pertain to the acceptance of conflict/challenge. However, I used the term SMV where it did not belong in trying to do that.
@ Jeremy – I got what you were saying. I don’t read these comments expecting the precision of an academic paper anyway, lol. Keep up the great commentary.
@ Glenn, I don’t think alpha and beta are genetic or innate or written in the stars. I do believe them to be mindsets. The mindsets come from different starting points though. The beta starts by believing in limits to himself, in self-control, etc… It’s a scarcity mindset. The beta mindset starts from fear of not measuring up, and adopting a ruleset that matches his own perception of how he is best going to maximize his outcome based on not measuring up. He never considers that his inability to measure up may be temporary, or a misperception of reality. The… Read more »
@ Kate – Okay, I’ll try a different tack here, because really, I want to be in a happy place. First off, the link to the honor article was great, I think I read it before but that was during my Rollo deep dive and it sunk in more here. But here’s the thing. I’m here to talk to men. I hear from women everywhere in society – do you really not understand that yet? If another women doesn’t give me another piece of advice in my life, I’d be just great. I’ve told you this before – but you… Read more »
“This outrage isn’t just limited to women’s hypergamous ‘exploratory’ years in her SMV peak. Whenever you read an article or hear some 33 year old woman lament the lack of marriageable men of ‘equal’ pairing to themselves (intellectually, professionally or otherwise) know that every cry of ‘Man Up’ is really a frustrated cry over men not playing by the conditioning the Feminine Imperative assured them men would play by, before or once they got to the point of losing the capacity to attract those men.” Well said. I hope Men wake up because I notice a lot of dumb guys… Read more »
“The romanticized notion of what we think of as ‘Honor’ today is simply a tool for the Feminine Imperative:”- Rollo I disagree. ‘Honor’ as it’s defined by the dictionary suits the imperative of anybody, male or female, who prefers to live in a civilized society wherein a modicum of default good faith and trust exists amongst the majority of adults. As in, what our country used to be. A lack of honor results in a writ-large ghetto where you have to watch your back on the street, you have to watch your back when you’re buying any expensive item that… Read more »
@ Jeremy – Indeed. I think it’s even worse. Perhaps Rollo can chime in on this given his background in psychology. Humans go through developmental phases in which personality traits and habits and ways of thinking etc are formed while we mature that become a foundation we build from as adults, so I think this is very difficult work for any adult to do. I have another thought. I wonder how dysfunctional childhood’s and abuse factor in to all this? In my case, I had a very violent Dad, a drinker and rager. As a result, I’m aggressive in response… Read more »