The Script

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There is a certain formula most romantic comedies rely on to convey how relations between men and women ought to go. It’s an old formula, as in Shakespeare and Greek antiquity old. It goes something like this:

An avowed Alpha bachelor for life questions the existence and nature of love, the sincerity of women, the illogic of not living just for his own self-importance, certainly the institution of marriage and lives, according to his rules, a satisfying life. He rationally observes the “madness” of his friends and fellow men when they fall in love, and out of it. He either mocks their foolishness or is analytical to the core in understanding their madnesses. He is an elemental force of one – a captain controlling the course of his own ship. He’s not wrong in his estimations; they all add up, they all make deductive, provable sense.

That is until he meets her. The ONE special woman who miraculously, alone amongst billions, has the unique power to bring the facade of all that he thinks he is into stark, insightful self-realization. He’s bit by the bug, smitten by the only woman who could fatefully tame the arrogance of his otherwise cruel rationalism. It’s akin to a religious conversion; he’s seen the light, he’s in love and all of his former concerns are proven to be falsehoods – it’s the triumph of true love! The one thing he was missing (the one thing only a woman can possess of course), the last piece to a puzzle he didn’t know he was  putting together, has been added and now he is complete. And they live happily ever after,…

Every writer from Shakespeare to Bronte, to modern writers, use some variation of this outline. The locations, time periods and actors change, but the basic story doesn’t. If you need a contemporary example watch Gerard Butler (King Leonidas, 300) in The Ugly Truth. The reason this formula is so successful and timeless is because it is essentially the fantasy of love and emotionalism trumping logic and reason. Women naturally love this because it puts them into the position of being the ‘cure’ to a man’s illness while making him look like a brooding, sulking, bitter child for clinging so tenaciously to his rationalism, when all he was really pouting about was feeling unloved.

All his intense powers of rationality, all of his implicitly provable facts, all of his monuments and achievements of deduction mean nothing without the only irrational thing a woman can uniquely supply – unknowable, fantastical love. It’s part and parcel of the Myth of the Feminine Mystique which makes women the gatekeepers of the knowledge of love; don’t try to understand it with your silly boy-logic, just leave well enough alone and be eternally grateful to whichever god you worship that a woman has favored you with the love you need to be perfected.

In this story, the build-up to men realizing this is what stokes the feminine indignation that sustains women’s interest, but the real satisfaction is summed up at the end when he finally concedes to the feminine imperative and drops all his pretense and submits to love.

The satisfaction doesn’t last long though, because it was the build-up, the tension, the anxiety, the want of a woman to scream at the TV, “SHE LOVES YOU!! JUST GET IT YOU STUPID MAN!!” that was making it at all interesting. Once he’s submitted and seen her light, all of that fades away to predictable, boring comfort. She’s done with that romance novel, puts it in the pile of them at the garage sale, and moves on to the next. And he’s left with all the echoes of his past rationalism, and explaining to all those he’s influenced and built his reputation upon, how love conquers all and how wrong he was all along.

For that man, it’s the last chapter in the vindication of feminine primacy.

And they lived happily ever after,..

For women, the only thing better than experiencing this script vicariously through movies and stories is to see it happen live. David D’Angelo, Tucker Max are a few manosphere notable who’ve played the come-full-circle surrender to the script. There are far more guys who play it in a more visual sense (the repentant ‘Womanizer’ episodes on the Tyra Banks show comes to mind), but no one really remembers them, and certainly not in the ‘sphere. While there’s a sense of vindication for women to have a guy surrender his anti-social (i.e. anti-feminine primary) lifestyle and beliefs in favor of a feminine paradigm, and “settle down” into a feminine framed, normalized monogamy, surrender is still surrender. Essentially the strong vibrant man who posed such a challenge to her, the one who’s steadfast determination and conviction made him a man she was hot for as well as one she could respect, loses his status.

He’ll say, hey, you don’t know where I’m at in life, you don’t know the experiences I’ve had, life has taught me the value of compromise. Women fundamentally lack the capacity to appreciate the sacrifices a man must make to facilitate a feminine reality, but if there’s one thing women outright despise, one thing men foolishly believe women should be able to appreciate, it’s a man willing to compromise the beliefs he’s established his reputation and integrity upon in order to facilitate her feminine reality. That’s the definition of a sell-out.

After the happily ever after comes the living. He can console himself in his new paradigm, he can hole up in a cocoon of domestication and simply not answer the phone calls of all his old friends who are also playing into the script, who are really only waiting to commiserate with him, but his new domesticity compromise wont allow him to. His old life is gone right? Love conquered him, made him a new man, ready to live up to the new, correct, feminine expectations he formerly railed against, but has been enlightened to and now calls his new masculine purpose. He’s been converted.

He looks into that girl’s eyes, the one who changed him for the better, but the memory of the urgency, the desire to tame him, the adrenaline he inspired all seem like an old song that reminds her of that thrill.

 

I would never wish ill on my fellow man, no matter his crimes, no matter his station, so I wont do so now. I sincerely hope nothing but the best for any man making this surrender, he will need every good fortune that comes along in the face of compromising his reputation and purpose in order to facilitate a woman’s primacy.

However, I’ll add that I also make it my policy never to speak ill of the dead.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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nick42983Nick
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If anything, the Mark Minter episode should be a strong reminder of the strength of the feminine imperative and that even those adamantly opposed to it (or at least appearing to be) aren’t immune. Constant vigilance is required. Thanks for reminding us Rollo.

hansolo007
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hansolo007

Speaking of a script. A woman about to get a divorce posted a list of 20 pieces of advice a recently divorced man wished he’d received. I’ll just list a few but the vast majority of them were total blue-pill, femperative type things where the man has to do everything to please her. No wonder he got divorced and I feel sorry for the guy with his future experiences with women if this is the way he tries to attract women. 4) ALWAYS SEE THE BEST in her. Focus only on what you love. What you focus on will expand.… Read more »

HanSolo
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The poor guy concludes with the following:

“But these are lessons I am learning and committed in carrying forward. Truth is, I LOVED being married, and in time, I will get married again, and when I do, I will build it with a foundation that will endure any storm and any amount of time.”

Sounds like he’ll be headed for divorce #2 within a few years of 2nd marriage.

mongolking
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two things: 1) men are more susceptible to dementia the older they get. 2) the real always plays second fiddle to the fantastic when entertaining (which would have factored huge in Shakespeare’s marketing plans) Also note another cardinal rule when slipping marriage into a story-line: always, always cut away after the wedding. It’s a great way to frame the last chapter, but try at your peril to bring it on any earlier. For some reason, few great novels will dare go into life after the wedding. Tolstoy did in War and Peace, and Galsworthy couldn’t avoid it in his story… Read more »

BC
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BC

*slow clap*

TrickyDicky
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TrickyDicky

This scenario is exactly how I found the manosphere. I fell into the trap and really did believe it. Only then to realise it was not appreciated, only expected, then taken for granted, then dumped. And all because of my naivety and subscribing to the female imperative due to 27 years of conditioning. ‘This is what women want’ – media cry. It’s a fallacy. I’m glad I discovered your site. It has allowed me to answer all those questions and I can see clearly everywhere I went wrong. It’s all about the mindset. I’ve taken the red pill and damn… Read more »

Apollo
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Apollo

This is something Ive noticed as well.. Pretty much every romantic movie made follows this general script. Whats interesting though is when they continue the story beyond the part where the guy submits. If youve ever seen the show Cougar Town (count yourself lucky if not), theres a male, just divorced character in season 1 who runs a bar and has meaningless relationship free sex with lots of hot, younger 20 somethings. The not so subtle subtext of him being an irresponsible, broken man is of course ever present. Then, he of course realises the error of his ways and… Read more »

rmaxgenactivepua
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All men should avoid the marriage, divorce grinder

Even Mark Minter in his dothering old age, should avoid that shit at all costs

All marriage does is spit out poisoned men, a poisoned society

derthal
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derthal

OT
Is it everything totally fucked up? Are there any boundaries for solipsism?
http://www.naturalnews.com/041398_post-birth_abortion_infanticide_Melissa_Harris-Perry.html

Matthew King
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Matthew King

As usual, Rollo has misread the entire situation in his knee-jerk impulse to fit all things into his narrow philosophy. Granted, this is his instantaneous reaction to what he feels is betrayal, and in time the self-aware man grows embarrassed at his precipitate contributions to scandal. So it’s not the final word, but a man should know when to lash out and when to take a deep breath and assess; especially when the mob is chanting outside a man’s door. What’s especially rich is that it is precisely people like Rollo who regard people like Mark Minter as godlike, and… Read more »

walawala
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walawala

Here’s my latest experience with the girl I’d been banging for 7 months. She has a melt-down of some sort blaming it on the fact I’m “too stubborn” which I realize is beta bait to be more attentive. I flip the script. I disappear. We get into it and she breaks up with. Comes over, grabs her make up leaves. Then a few days later sends me a bland birthday greeting. I ignore. She posts on my FB. I don’t “like” it. She texts me before a party she knew I was going to on some pretext that I left… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
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@Matt, I can hardly wait to read your convenient prose when either of the Minters come back to the manosphere for advice on marital problems. What songs will you write when they realize the buffer of the Internet and an LDR are a piss poor foundation for a marriage?

Yeah, I expect it will be the godless feminists fault then too.

Case
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Case

“I’ll add that I also make it my policy never to speak ill of the dead” Ouch Yeah. …as it were Rollo at many times I have been as if a medium channeling your ghost and as often as that is I have noticed either men treating me with anger such as the anger a fellow feels when told his hard worked upon barbecue tastes like ass or tgeir girlfriends have taken to rssponding to me like an enemy mole in the ranks, not knowing exactly what the poisin is I’m spreading but onky knowing it does nothing to move… Read more »

Case
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Case

Sorry the typos
Smartphone keyboard

itsme
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itsme

when is the lifetime original movie airing?

Case
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Case

I have somehow failed to read in the where Rollo, a married man with children, has criticized marriage, per se.
The only per se criticism contained seems articulate to the point of cold large wet fish thwacked across the reader’s face: there is a trope, known since the days of Homer … some special ONE woman’s femininity triumphs over the rationality of a man, replacing his agency with hers, as primacy … happiness results. This trope, and the poison it is to relations between the genders and to marriage itself, is unknown to the erstwhile but we assume well-read commenter?

itsme
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itsme

*slow clap*

i think ‘pop pop’ is more fitting

avd
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avd

Hi-fucking-larious! Laughed my ass off reading this one. Points.

Marky Mark
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Marky Mark

It’s funny but a guy who is so anti-marriage like Minter is obviously a VERY emotional person, you can tell that he pours himself in all of his posts. It’s the guys who think “ya marriage probably isn’t a good idea” but don’t really care THAT much who most likely stay single, simply because they are unemotional and won’t bond with a woman.

Case
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Case

My own theory borne and bred of the reading at RM here is that the Feminine Imperative is an emergent property, rising from the sum total mass behaviors of the social organism, based on the individual unconscious behaviors of its participants, specifically with respect to women’s inherited behaviors for preserving and passing on their X chromosomes. To go with that, and to employ a bit of analogy from the Lord of the Rings … what we could say is going on with the Feminine Imperative when it seeks out a strong, rational, high-agency man … is first of all that… Read more »

Immediate
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Immediate

Minter failed a giant shit test and failed it in spectacular fashion. Its really as simple as that right?

About the only way I could see this turned around in his favor is if her family really is loaded as speculated. If he got all those back taxes and child support paid off and then bounced on her free and clear it would be hilarious.

Leo G
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Leo G

In Eastern mysticism, the point is to re-unite the 2 basic energies, ying/yang, female/male, etc. Our need to join with women or vice-versa, is just this. It is the physical aspect of the spiritual journey.

There are those who have become realized through the path of love. But most just lose their way in the physical realm, and suffer til the day they die.

BC
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BC

yawn@matt

Rollo Tomassi
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Matt King is the Hillsboro Baptist Church of the manosphere. Soldier’s funerals, weddings, no matter the occasion, there he is with the signs, only instead of God Hates Fags, they read God Hates Rollo, Roosh and Roissy.

No questions, no discussion, only convenient piety and admonishment.

avd
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avd

@Case GBFM, if he hasn’t already, should really add LOTR to his reading list—the book, not the movies (though the movies are pretty dope also). Tolkein wasn’t fucking around when he wrote that. That story is THICK with western spiritual values… the values that have held our culture together over the millennia. He wrote that what, fifty years ago? And look how culture has played out since then. That book is so politically incorrect in today’s environment, that it’s a wonder that the films were allowed to be made. And yet, they are some of the most popular films of… Read more »

avd
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avd

I’m not going to wade into the debate between Rollo and Matt. I will, however, say this: I respect Rollo for permitting dissenting opinions on his site. That allows for free-flowing discussion and sharing of life experiences, which is the only reason I even read the MS. Some proprietors, who will go unnamed, blatantly censor their sites into echo chambers, which really serves none of us. So, Rollo, thanks for that.

Rollo Tomassi
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Always been my policy (spam excluded).

Jay Money
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Jay Money

What is an appropriate reason to get married or enter into a long term relationship? To have children in a traditional family model?

avd
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avd

Of all the infinite characters in the MS, I dog on one only: YaReally. Why do I do that? Because of his extreme disrespect for all of us. Do you think I agree with all the commenters’ various styles of game, or even the proprietors? I don’t. Not at all. But I also feel no need to counter them on every point of disagreement. Why? Because they are men, sharing their life experiences with us in an open and honest way—something that is very difficult to come by in the non-internet world. Do I dog on Ya for his style?… Read more »

earl
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earl

“No questions, no discussion, only convenient piety and admonishment.” I believe Matt was questioning your judgement of the world…and prolonging a discussion. A humble person always knows their judgement may not always be correct. When a person disagrees with you…it’s an opportunity to look past your view and start looking at it from another side.. Narrowness of any ideology is always doomed to fail…if anything you are shutting it down because you might be afraid that you could be wrong. Such as men NEED sex. I believe men actually need violence…and sex is one of many outlets. Debating is another.… Read more »

earl
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earl

In fact if you ever watched old Dennis Miller shows…he ended every one of his eloquent rants with:

“Of course that’s just my opinion…I could be wrong.”

B. Ess (Ghost of Zeets)
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B. Ess (Ghost of Zeets)

Whoa doggies Matt you take this Internet shit seriously huh??!

Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

Not that it matters to anyone but me…but my STBXW still has me wrapped around her finger – for what ever reason – call it by whatever name you like, but it is real. I basically could give a fuck about any other woman – hell I’ve had multiple opportunities both during marriage and after our separation to have sex. ONEitis is real – personally I believe it’s a borderline mental disease – and I have it. Potentially it’s like being an addict and that I will always be an addict, the only thing I can do is manage the… Read more »

Matthew King
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Matthew King

Rollo reacted: Matt, I can hardly wait to read your convenient prose when either of the Minters come back to the manosphere for advice on marital problems. What songs will you write when they realize the buffer of the Internet and an LDR are a piss poor foundation for a marriage? Again, misreading. I make no predictions about the fate of this marriage or the wisdom of entering into it. Unlike you, I am acknowledging the vast unknowable, rather than filling in the many blanks with assumptions that conveniently fit an ideological stamp. Matt King is the Hillsboro [sic] Baptist… Read more »

Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

@Matt

I fully accept my feet are made of clay and my foundation is sand. I also believe that all voices are needed – and add to the overall debate.

avd
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avd

I have no real point in posting this, Rollo, other than calling a spade a spade. I could care less that Minter is hitching himself to Kate. I really just don’t care. Good for them. I hope they’re happy. Sincerely.

But, my brother, it WAS YOU who built up Minter in the first place. Minter would be NOTHING without your sponsorship. I have nothing against Minter—I actually like the guy. But, here we are. You really need to own this in the MS to retain credibility. Give us a story that we can believe in, please.

Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

Words are the easy part – for all of us.

Rollo Tomassi
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Matt, all you are is the self-appointed slave crying “momento mori” at the back of the chariots of the generals you think need to be reminded of their mortality.

avd
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avd

Dude, come on. This is ridiculous on every single level. You must answer for your embrace of someone who betrayed you. Just own it. We’ve all been betrayed. Not that big a deal. Fuck all. We love you. You’re Rollo. Be Rollo and admit that you were duped. We all get duped by fuckwads in life. Own it and move on. We will still love you and we’ll be here to receive your very important lessons about life. But please, don’t fuck with us. Please.

avd
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avd

Look, I’m a HUGE fan of Rollo. I think the guy is awesome. But truth is truth, and when a leader veers from that path, someone must call it out. Rollo is a human being, with all of the positive attributes and faults that come with that. I call him out, out of love and respect. Let us all move forward. I still intend to remain updated on Rollo’s teachings… because his teachings are valuable in my life.

Sean
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Sean

Add Anna Karenina to the books from authors who delve into marriage at a later date. Karenin is beta, she steps out on him, etc.

Rollo Tomassi
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avd, I’m not going to disown Mark. One thing I’d disagree with Roosh about is that I think what he wrote here and what I posted of his comments I thought were valuable and deserved a forum to address. Minter’s past ideas still have merit, but just like Barry Bonds, he’s going to always have an asterisk next to those posts now. I don’t believe Roosh or I were ‘duped’ because I think he was sincere in his ideas at that time, but as I’ve detailed in many prior posts, killing the beta is the most difficult part of the… Read more »

deti
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deti

someone named “Sminter1” is posting at ROK that she is Minter’s ex wife, that he never sees his kids, that he lives with his sister and hasn’t worked in 5 years, and that his upcoming nuptials with Kate would be marriage number 4 for him. To paraphrase Novaseeker over at SSM’s place, that seems like a hell of a risk for both of them, even worse odds than for a first or second marriage.

M3
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What Minter wrote has merit, but that message can be carried by anybody. Minter i think lost any credibility to lay claim to those views he’s espoused now that he went against it. I found a woman. Not 100% up to the sphere’s ideals, but perfect for me, in a situation that is OPTIMAL for me.. which still includes my must have caveats.. -no marriage -having no desire to have kids -youth (or youthful, healthy appearance) -feminine pleasant, redpill ideals In blackjack, she was a winning hand. And i didn’t have to offer up marriage to get it. Even if… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
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I’m not sure who’s desperation scares me more, Marks or Kate’s.

This is why I’m still skeptical of the whole thing. If this ends up being some kind of epic trolling, then I’ll own up to being duped.

Rollo Tomassi
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I won’t link to manboobz but if you want to see the mess this shit has made just have a look.

asnark
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asnark

Rollo – you’re saying MM has lost frame and is breaking omerta for pussy, correct? It all stinks of desperation? But you are married,…following the script as well…Throwing stones while living in a glasshouse…At least you kept the post generic and didn’t immediately name names. I love your blog and will buy your book as soon as it hits the presses… But I take everything you say with a grain of salt because I can’t see you and your wife interact with each other. Keyboard warriors abound… But suppose you are The Rational Male, how do you keep yourself “ever… Read more »

Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

// Hijack

On a different subject, seems over at The Private Man, PM is changing his comment policy – as in starting to moderate comments, so as to appeal to a broader audience (i.e. not offending the ladies) – because of a profit motive to provide both male and females based dating advice. Seems the ladies don’t like the “brutish” comments available on his blog and can’t discern between comments by his readers and the article itself. First Athol bending his knee, now PM.

Who will be next?

Hijack //

earl
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earl

“Duped? No, if anything it’s a grand testament to the depths to which men need to change themselves in order to kill the beta.”

There is no need to kill the undesirable Greek letter…for every man has it and will always have it.

It is better to submit to a higher power. The higher power though isn’t women.

HRH Prince Frederick of Flange
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HRH Prince Frederick of Flange

I have been front and center for too many of these blood and thunder circuses. Knowing Minter’s bitterness (these ex-military guys are often the most beta and therefore the most bitter when it collapses – think about it), and assuming that is the ex-wife posting, I would be very leery of amplifying or replaying any of it for shits, giggles or revenge (something Futrelle – and the ex, if that’s her – should keep in mind if they’re going to brag to us that they Think About the Children). If anything makes This Old Cunt (me) see red it’s supposed… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
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@asnark, I expected this. You haven’t been reading nearly long enough:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/28/fidelity/

For the record I’m not anti-marriage, I’m anti-never-saw-it-coming-pollyana-how-could-she-do-this-to-me?-hypergamy’s-a-bitch marriage.

Every man who’s married doesn’t follow the Script, and every man who follows the Script isn’t always married.

Senior Beta
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Senior Beta

Let me see if I have this straight. Marriage for you and Athol and Ian and other red pill guys is cool. But if Mark falls off the wagon and get hitched to, by all accounts, a red pill woman he is a traitor, loser, hypocrite, etc.? WTF is wrong with this picture?

Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

@SrBeta… Believe the issue at hand is that for the past year, the now infamous Mark Minter, has written a few thousand words about how “marriage in the US is for suckers” and has urged every man (regardless of age) to go ahead and seek an LTR (at their own risk), but never, ever marry (at least within the borders of the USA). The words did not match the actions. And I agree with an article on RoK that Roosh wrote that’s like the “Conservative Right Winger” that preaches about family values while diddling little boys on the side. But… Read more »

avd
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avd

To be crystal clear: I am a fan of Rollo. I believe that he runs a well-oiled machine, taking everyone’s feelings into account with his postings. As mentioned previously, I care not for the Minter/Kate saga. However, many other commenters were calling out Rollo for his role in the event. I care not, but because I respect Rollo, I will call a spade a spade, when it’s appropriate. That said, I have NEVER believed that Rollo is perfect. That’s kind of what makes him cool : that he’s one of us. So, Rollo, please consider this post as me pushing… Read more »

peoplegrowing
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I’m happy where i am. Im still MGTOW, i just have company because she’s going MY WAY willingly beside me. Brilliant. I understand the backlash and the fact that a lot of commenters (and maybe lurkers) are upset about Minter’s nuptials. I know I was shell-shocked for probably about 30 minutes myself. But I think the community is kind of forgetting two things: While it is clearly accepted (and I don’t disagree) that men are much more rational than women are, that doesn’t mean that men are all unfeeling robots who only ever act rationally (unless under the bitter control… Read more »

FuriousFerret
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FuriousFerret

I feel sorry for Mark. He just played a character and played it well and got burned in the end. All of his dirty laundry came out with everybody analyzing it. At the end of the day, Mark is simply a broken down 58 year old man that is in a fucked up place and is desperate. I believe that he meant what he wrote on some level even though he’s not following through with it. I don’t think he should be thrown to the wolves. The guy seems mentally fragile. A lot of guys have serious issues that frequent… Read more »

avd
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avd

Damn, you really just wrote that? Very strong.

// break to my own irreverent comments:

Little pussies should NOT be allowed expression in the MS. We should CENSOR their asses into oblivion. I’m kidding, a little bit. However, am I wrong about that? Little pussies, let’s hear your synatptical responses, little pussies. They will keep us entertained all day long.

xsplat
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I’m going to repost from the commentary about Minter on the RVF: worldwidetraveler Wrote: Principles isn’t something you toss away at any inconvenience. They are what hold you true to yourself. You only know what type of man you are when things get tough but you stick to your principles. When you easily discard them for “happiness”, you are not a man in my eyes. Didn’t Gandhi get away with saying something that could be paraphrased as “principles are for those who can’t re-organize their views?” Principles. What are principles? Unchanging beliefs. What good are unchanging beliefs? Well, they make… Read more »

A Man for All Seasons
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A Man for All Seasons

I don’t always agree with Matthew King, but he’s spot on here. Mark Minter was extremely bitter over marriage, and he expressed it in prose that really reached a lot of people. I think most will recognize the truism that people expressing the most extreme opinions in the strongest manner are generally failing to see the whole truth of the situation. It was almost inevitable that someone with such strong opinions would moderate them over time. Of course, much of what Mark was saying was true. Marriage frequently becomes stale and stifling over the years, and AWALT. However, many if… Read more »

FuriousFerret
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FuriousFerret

“Mark is slipping back into beta and not realizing that his emotional cravings and being swept up in the swoon or romance are not necessarily leading to a happily ever after, but are only temporary and are leading him to make concessions to his autonomy.” I have a question pertaining to this that nobody has asked/answered at least from what I’ve seen. Why do they have to get married in the first place? Why can’t they just shack up together and call it good? First off, the risk is certainly not even on Mark’s end. They are on Kate’s. Point… Read more »

rmaxgenactivepua
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@xsplat

Grow a set of balls already, & quit talking like a pussy whipped bitch, ffs

Your prose reads like a permanently menopausal lesbian bitch, its irritating as fuck

Women arent meant to be enjoyed, you retard, theyre meant to be dominated & made into cock whores for our pleasure, THATS what women are for

You’re pedestalising of women & supplication, proves you dont know jack shit about the world, or how it works

Survial of the fittest, & he who dares, two sentences mangina con artists like you will never understand

FuriousFerret
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FuriousFerret

Everybody has this all wrong. Way wrong. This guy is a motherfucking hero. A true saboteur. What is a hot button issue around the sphere? Women hitting the wall and marrying beta men and using them for their resources. Mark has flipped this script hard. Mark: – Hit the male wall probably 10 years ago and that’s being generous. – Has no money, fucking OWES the worst organization to owe money to the IRS, I would rather owe money to Teddy ‘KGB’ – Lives with his sister – Is basically persona non grata in any professional environment Kate: – Master’s… Read more »

Sam Spade
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You know something…I’m really not going to worry about some guy named Mark. Today the manosphere sounded like a womanosphere….like feminists out for blood at first sight of “betrayal.” Better to say fuck it and move on.

Rollo Tomassi
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Agreed.

Westcoaster
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Westcoaster

Man, where do you get these classic photos — they really add to the blog. Great article, too, thanks. I was LMAO at this latest photo.

Rollo Tomassi
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One thing still bugs me though; while I’m getting the feeling this is legit, I still can’t shake the feeling it’s all a troll.Maybe it’s too big for a trolling, but think about these points for a minute: 1.) Both Mark and Kate are for lack of a better term manosphere veterans. They’ve been commenting at every blog from Sunshinemary’s to Firepower’s old blog for 3+ years, in Kate’s case longer. Both of them had to know how the news of their LDR, internet buffer, single mom, militant bachelor, conniving ex-wife, marriage announcement was going to be taken in the… Read more »

anon
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anon

I loved the movie Admission because it didn’t remotely adhere to the retarded predictable romcom script. Instead, Tina Fey’s character was the neurotic one in need of a transformative journey after her fiancee dumps her for another woman and she comes to believe a son she gave up for adoption if being fostered by the new love interest.

Reviewers mostly panned it and it has like a 5.5 on IMDB while movies like Crazy Stupid Love have 7.9s lol. People loooveeee predictability.

booger
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booger

There is no escaping the hive mind; the Feminine Imperative. Resistance is Futile. In any case, the lesson I learned from all this: Don’t blog under your real name. Duh! I think the only reasonable thing to do is continue to work on my attractiveness so that I can be one of the guys who gets a free pass to get away with everything women like to blame men and the “patriarchy” for. It’s not necessarily because I’m doing it for women: I’m doing it for myself so women will not be an impediment to my life objectives. Just as… Read more »

xsplat
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It does say a lot about Mark that he was hypocritical. But he had to be, though, didn’t he? He never owned his own emotional need for intimacy. He split that off from himself, and imputed it onto OTHER, weaker, less knowledgeable men. That was a huge mistake in self understanding. What’s more, rather than just split off his own longings onto weaker men, he saw others doing the same thing, and used that as a means to gain an audience. He used that audience for attention for his creative urges. He used the needs of others for a community… Read more »

anon
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anon

Also I heard a co-worker of mine repeat this phrase “Women need love, men need sex”. F’kn lol, possibly the most blue pill words ever uttered. For context, he was wondering why I approach and close so many women at my desk job at my school’s gym and I posited that perhaps these women would like my penis inside of their vagina and he told me I was wrong about this. Not trying to brag, for the record my success rate is pretty low but I probably ask for avg 0.4 phone numbers every hour I work and the job… Read more »

YaReally
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@avd

lol

BC
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BC

and on a lighter note…

Any other guys out there willing to “take one for the team?”
Maya, feministx, Jar Jar Binks Neecy and other Heartiste groupies are waiting.

Sp5
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Sp5

@ Yep it’s Me: You need to break out of your frame to get over your oneitis. Take a trip, go to Colombia or Thailand. Hell, take a weekend trip to a city a couple hour’s drive away and hit some C&W music bar – prime hunting territory, especially if you are older. I am similarly situated to Minter and others in age and in that a long-term marriage that I invested a lot in collapsed when my wife became unhapppy. So I appreciated where he was coming from, but thought he was way to bitter and hateful. I’d think… Read more »

Cash
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Cash

Hey rollo, you should check this video on YouTube ” Dick Materson”. He has been blunt in telling things that most people won’t say about women on Tv. All the things in the mamosphere are being described by the guy. I checked his video to the DR Phil. It’s gold

Johnycomelately
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Johnycomelately

“This is a long-con troll.”

You have to remember the ‘sphere is currently the most dangerous place on the planet, it is more threatening to the establishment than a thousand terrorists.

Less than 1% of men checking out costs billions, not to mention the long term effects of negative replacement levels and social stability.

Given that, I would expect every vested political group on the planet to be trolling and pushing their agendas. Minter and Aunt giggles are just the tip of the ice berg.

Different T
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Different T

@ Matthew King

Mark and Kate are fools doing the best they can with the resources available.

What was it you called Kate a month or two ago? Something from a Plato book…

The One Reason
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The One Reason

I guess one cannot make this sh1t up. Popcorn, please. Big bucket. Touching on both the issues of MS groupies and women (and the feminine imperative) entering MS comment boards: http://no-maam.blogspot.fi/2010/06/no-maams-guide-to-bird-watching-in.html As for the Private Man’s screening policy, it’s a pity, but on the other hand, I guess that the readers there are in general less dark triad-oriented and moreover older than, say at Roissy’s or on RSD boards. Which was also on display as the London PUA instructor Steve Jabba made a guest post there in january; the number of negative reactions in the comments on the “cheesy PUA… Read more »

Thomas Gray
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Thomas Gray

Looking from a distance at how this whole drama unfolds I can only think that there are other elements at play that shock people. Elements that are more fundamental to the whole manosphere and current way of thinking in the manosphere than we all realize. Elements that are deep enough in our beliefs to elicit such anger once shaken. Farmost the reigning emotion at Mark’s ‘cop-out’ is that of betrayal. ‘Hypocrit,’ ‘sellout,’ etc, are some of the milder terms flying towards his head. Although some of this anger might be justified if one reasons that Mark broke his principles, the… Read more »

Thomas Gray
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Thomas Gray

Should read ” the manosphere is not creating Alpha’s.” in the second to last paragraph.

Different T
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Different T

There’s no way you can tell me they expected anything different than the response they got.

Damn, you’re slipping.

“First Lady of the Manosphere” has a nice ring to it in the hollow cavern of female solipsism.

fakeemail
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fakeemail

Where is that picture of the man hugging the woman’s butt from?

translate from spanish to eglish
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translate from spanish to eglish

oh that picture. .poor man, yeah where did you get that one?

Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

If nothing else, this whole thing has stimulated some very interesting thoughts and concepts to seep through the filters. As shocking (maybe) as the events are – long con or just strange about face or potential meta-alpha – these events have created more awareness. The great thing about Men, regardless of what world they live in, is that we are problem solvers – and we seen this “thing” as something to be solved, motives to be dissected, researching backgrounds, words, phrases, timelines. BUT…. At sometime in the future, this will dissolve into nothing more than an interesting bit of history.… Read more »

liam
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liam

@xsplat its all fine and dandy saying be like bruce lee, be like water, change and adapt and all that crap, but in real life a man is judged a lot on his word and how he adheres to it. If a guy changes his opinions every other day to fit his percieved predicament he would lose respect off all his mates and friends very quickly. Then where would that leave him?

Underdog
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Underdog

@ liam

Who gives a shit how others perceive you. Bitch and moan all we want, Minter is laughing all the way to his new pussy. In the end, your own happiness is all that matters.

Immediate
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Immediate

“What kind of idea are you? Are you the kind that compromises, does deals, accommodates itself to society, aims to find a niche, to survive; or are you the cussed, bloody-minded, ramrod-backed type of damn fool notion that would rather break than sway with the breeze? – The kind that will almost certainly, ninety-nine times out of hundred, be smashed to bits; but, the hundredth time, will change the world.”

― Salman Rushdie

liam
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liam

@underdog……yea yea more mental masturbation………i fully intend to, and am carving my own path, but to keep changing your beliefs and opinions to fit the current narrative, is gonna make you lose all the respect of your friends and people close to you. Im listened to and what i say to my friends is valued and respected exactly because i don’t change my mind all the time. You think having your opinion ridiculed all the time because you never keep to anything you say is gonna bring you closer to that elusive happiness. No.

Leo G
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Leo G

“water follows the path of least resistance, yet can carve a valley out of stone”

The Bhuddha

Copyleft
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Copyleft

Meanwhile, the man who NEVER changes his opinions remains wrong even when he’s given the opportunity to be right.

liam
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liam

Agreed.

BlackPoisonSoul
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Amusing, the whole Mark Minter and GeishaKate thing. All these men butthurt about it – why? Why’d you go and put someone else up on a pedestal, instead of using his story in the way that he meant it to be: as a cautionary tale. I for one don’t want to be a trophy-husband to one of Heartiste’s groupie-girls. Though I might lay one for some sex-fun-play if the opportunity should occasion. I remember commenting (as YB back then) and giving GeishaKate an assripping for telling men to act with integrity and to look after our souls. My response included:… Read more »

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Yep It's Me
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Yep It's Me

@BlackPoisonSoul

++1

Save me a seat at the arena!

mickey
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mickey

Hey Rollo, I have a question for you that I’ve been mulling over for some time now. Which popular, current show, set in modern day, has the most complex male characters? And by complex, I mean, strong alpha-ish persona. Preferably this is a show watched by young men (teens through mid 20s). I’m thinking of the shows young men would look to for role models in pop culture. Game of Thrones has complex alpha characters, but it’s a fantasy show. Don Draper is probably the most complex on a popular TV show, but Mad Men is set 40-50 years ago.… Read more »

gregg
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gregg

Natural state of man is slavery. Slavery to women. We all are made that way and almost all from us stay that way. All our life. Do not believe? Ask any married man, what is the most important thing in his life. FAMILY. Aka – his WIFE and his CHILDREN. Backbone of feminine reality. Most men would DIE for their wives and children. You migh be divorced and frustrated – your master (wife) abandoned you or you might be single and chasing pussy (willing to do almost EVERYTHING to have pussy in your life). Or you are spining plates –… Read more »

sunshinemary
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One thing still bugs me though; while I’m getting the feeling this is legit, I still can’t shake the feeling it’s all a troll. Agreed. I thought the same thing once someone explained the situation to me, though the longer it goes on, the more it seems that it must be true. I actually don’t know MM very well; he’s never commented on my site SFAIK. Kate has commented every now and then, but she’s not a regular, so I didn’t catch how odd their engagement was at first, and I was laughing at the reaction so many people in… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
Guest

@SSM, I don’t think that’ll be much of a problem since both Mark and Kate have gone dark on the manosphere as of last weekend. The X-Factor in all of this is Susan Minter, and I’m not sure how she plays in to all of this if it is a troll, she seems legit, but that doesn’t precede Mark and Kate (maybe they’re the same person?) from possibly trolling the manosphere. I’m also a bit suspicious that Kate suggested I come to the wedding and how convenient it would be for me since they’re having it in Las Vegas. Besides… Read more »

Rol
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Rol

Troll post would make sense, if a little elaborate, but those are the best ones.

BlackPoisonSoul
Guest

@Yep It’s Me:

With pleasure! This is going to be an interesting spectator sport.

Is MM gaming GK for a short time until he has had his wicked way with her? Is this a serious affair? Is this a trolling?

Find out soon in the next drama-dripping excerpt. 😛

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