It’s Their Game

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http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/why-do-girls-date/5154ae1878c90a511200016b

As glad as I am to see George from 3rd Millenium Man grab the manopshere colors and go to the front lines, I’ll admit I’m a little disappointed with this. Roosh has predicted 2013 will be the year the manosphere goes mainstream, but my concern is less about the exposure and more about the representation. The MSM is the feminine imperative.

I understand the host here is contracted to the Huff-Po so the context begins in terms of what entertains women’s need for indignation. No indignation, no audience. George is hamstrung from the outset: we have the ubiquitous 50+, “I’m ok with the beta provider I married after fucking my spell of bad boys and learned my lesson so you gals should learn from my mistakes” woman (aka the Aunt Giggles, Kay Hymowitz archetype). Next we have the prerequisite “clinical psychologist” who looks like one of the mothers on Dance Moms, and rattles off the feel good humanist psychology truisms clichéd in the 1990’s. After that we have Nathan the self-identified White Knight who’s only purpose is to bolster both women’s feeble positions to better identify with any woman in the hopes that she might be watching and, God willing, anonymously seek him out to potentially hook up with him for being such a team player.

That’s a tough cast to work with so I will commend George on his effort, however, his dropping the ball here is less about his grasp of red-pill wisdom (I know and read his blog regularly), and more about the context that the MSM will allow the manosphere to be represented in. Learn this now red-pill literati before you venture into the MSM – the feminine imperative will gladly make you the red meat for the indignation that sells their advertising to women.

As I said, Roosh predicts that the manosphere will surface in the MSM this year, and I will concur, the manosphere will come to the attention of the greater whole of western society, but don’t think for minute it will be for the positive. With any luck it will reach out to a few blue pill men ready to realize the truth, but my trepidation is about the overall image the manosphere will be molded to by the Feminine Imperative. Men are simply not allowed to have any legitimate insight into intergender dynamics – as I’m sure George is realizing now. In girl-world, women are the sole arbiters of relationship wisdoms – men are simply foils for their legitimacy, even in the best of pretenses.

I don’t write too much specifically about the manosphere with good reason – the ‘enlightenment’ is still evolving. As I’ve been quoted many times before, unplugging guys from the Matrix is dirty work. It’s triage, and the greater majority of men aren’t ready or even in a mental position to be unplugged when you’re in a personal, one-on-one context. So when you extrapolate that to a larger context it’s easy to see how the feminine imperative will readily use men’s default lack of legitimacy for its own purpose. The greatest Threat to the Feminine Imperative is men becoming self-aware of their own sexual market value and the dissemination of information about how the imperative uses this lack of awareness to perpetuate itself.

The first recourse to prevent this is male-specific ridicule and derision for even attempting to explain the social constructs of the feminine imperative.

In a large public forum like this Huff-Po video we don’t see the underlying feminine social urgency and anxiety about men becoming aware of the mechanisms of the feminine imperative because for decades women’s unknowability has become synonymous with the feminine mystique. So it’s made laughable by default that any man would have a legitimate understanding of women – they are just unknowable, so men’s perspectives and insight about the psychology of women starts from a position of ridicule, even when it patronizingly agrees with women’s perspectives.

But underneath the Dance Mom psychological snark, underneath the accusatory tones 50+ woman uses to burn interview time, underneath the attempts at hopeful beta white knight feminine identification, even in the overall context the host uses to broach the topic, red pill men can see the nervous tension of the possibility of the rational exposure of the underpinnings of the feminine imperative.

When you’re in an isolated social setting, it’s a dangerous topic to venture into – like religion or politics – but you can make an effort without too much social repercussion. You can speak red pill truth and endure the wrath of women (who’ll likely fuck you after the fact) and white knights, but you’ll make a point. You may even open the eyes of a few men. However, the larger, meta-scale feminine narrative will use and distort your red pill awareness to make advertisers rich.

Women sustain themselves on indignation and nothing stimulates that better than a man who publicly declares he knows how women think. The Atlantic has made a very profitable business model for a dying form of media based solely upon this feminine-satisfying indignation. This host, the Huff-Po, are simply following the model. So yes, Roosh is right, the manosphere will go mainstream this year, to the overwhelming adulation of the media that’s discovered this type of feminine imperative indignation is extremely profitable.

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Good Luck Chuck
Good Luck Chuck
9 years ago

I find it amusing how she tries so hard to draw a line between “dark” game and “regular”?? game, and how Rollo is characterized as the Dark Lord of Misogyny.

Build a better beta, indeed.

Case
Case
9 years ago

@BC 2:27 wrote: “Giggles is a valuable asset to the manosphere because she is a real world example of the feminine imperative and feminist-in-moderate/male-friendly-clothing. Her posts and real-time (i.e., until she edits and deletes) comment/moderation behavior also provide a good litmus test as to whether someone is truly red pill or ready to start taking the red pill.” Actually despite my earlier rhetorical jab, I agree with this, though I’m not sure I’d go as far as “valuable asset”. Preferred term would be “useful”. Rollo likens the process of disconnecting a blue-piller from the matrix as “triage” and frequently indicates… Read more »

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
9 years ago

I listened to part of that and I thought the Manosphere blogger didn’t stand a chance. For one, the moderator was ripping him for being anonymous. Why is that an issue? Two, he was seriously outmanned (or outwomaned), including the AFC host, who tries to sound macho with a few cuss words tossed in. I applaud 3MM, however, for putting himself out there. I just think this will continue to be an underground/cult movement. The female imperative is strong. I talk to my male friends about some of the things on this blog and some look at me like I’m… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  Westcoaster

Roosh explains the need for manosphere anonymity better than I can:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-most-insidious-method-of-control-never-devised

Sort of puts Aunt Giggles true motives into perspective doesn’t it?

Inane Rambler
Inane Rambler
9 years ago

And what can you do?

I would advise anyone connected with this blog not to go over there and visit her.

I doubt we are anywhere near being large drivers of her traffic, but any little bit counts.

At the very least, we should not be involved in our own destruction.

BC
BC
9 years ago

(Walsh)’s now encouraging her female readers, most of whom are miserable, bitter losers just like Lady Raine, to track down and out Rollo, Dalrock and all other „misogynist” bloggers they can find.

You caught that, too, eh? And all with plausible deniability (hypothetical examples, etc.), just like the passive-aggressive coward she is.

Kate
9 years ago

Catching up on the histrionics, one of my favorite quotations from Oscar Wilde’s The Importance of Being Earnest came to mind: “Never speak disrespectfully of Society, Algernon. Only people who can’t get into it do that.” Translation: outsiders love to gossip about insiders. Consider yourselves complimented and go about your business 🙂 As for SSM, who was repeatedly thrown under the bus, I found it particularly distasteful to have her story (which I admit I did not know as I only started reading her blog a little before it shut down) talked about so carelessly by someone who admitted to… Read more »

Ronin
Ronin
9 years ago

Cosplay Model Bottom-Fishes Omegas for Validation at Cons, gets pissed and Trolls the White Knight Community when one or two are socially-awkward:

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/04/04/costumes-are-not-consent-combatting-cosplayer-harassment/

http://meagan-marie.tumblr.com/post/46396481491/what-would-you-do-if-you-werent-afraid

walawala
walawala
9 years ago

Game has been in the mainstream for a long time. A series of movies make reference direct and indirect to Red Pill wisdom. The problem is always that the guy who plays the “Game” character is usually portrayed as dim-witted ass-hole whom girls flock to or a rich dude whom girls flock to for his money. Look at any self-confident movie or tv character and there is never any mention of game. Only when there is a game reference is the character usually a caricature: easy example? Joey from Friends…he’s the sub-plot even though he did get his own spinoff.… Read more »

gregg
gregg
9 years ago

If you want to persuade MEN, not boys, you have to offer them something of value. Men, fully grown brothers of ours, respond to duty, honour, justice. Roissy, Roosh, Tyler? What do they offer? Rules of how to bang women? Their only agenda is SEX — and they will sacrifice everything for that, even their soul. They´ve turned into women themselves, this is precisely how women operate. You will NOT persuade fully grown MAN with this message. What do you offer? 1. let´s fuck married women (aka destroy your brother – her husband), 2. so much hatred, aggresivity, weakness/turning into… Read more »

Lumpy
Lumpy
9 years ago

@YaReally

The old location wasn’t good long term hosting. You can link here: http://lumpypua.github.io/YaReallyArchive/

Def credit me for the compilation! Yup, automatically generated. Here’s the (not pretty) code to do it: https://github.com/LumpyPUA/YaReallyArchive

NotaGamer
NotaGamer
9 years ago

And a fair lesson to give the guys who are learning to game for ‘GOOD CAUSE”. If you want to learn the game in order to be better at the male/female interaction, have more confidence, self-esteem, great!! If you are learning the game in order to play multiple women, become a better PUA, juggler, you will find yourself with the women who either think they are not worth anything more than that, or not smart enough to figure that game out. Learning enough game for self-confidence is good, learning so much game that you play every “thang” you can find,… Read more »

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Rooster
Rooster
9 years ago

The London Real guys have said that Krauser’s interview provoked the strongest social media reaction of ALL their interviews, by a very long shot. As for how long it takes to turn the meta social dynamics of the [western?] world around. I’m patient and take pop shots when I can. One of our biggest weapon is our spending power. Currently the spending power of Red Pill people is a minuscule fraction of the FI Leutenents and foot soldiers but just like the effects of compound interest, if we all make intelligent and informed purchasing decisions, we, or our enlightened offspring,… Read more »

E
E
9 years ago

Google trends says a bit about how popular searches for MMSL is… Spiking quite nicely.
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=mmsl&date=1%2F2010%2041m&cmpt=q

Miguel
Miguel
9 years ago

wtf?! i’m so sick of these acronyms. what the hell is mmsl?

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  Miguel
Miguel
Miguel
9 years ago

ah thanks rollo. sorry for the negative tone. its just annoying that i have to skim through all the posts and almost all of them have acronyms that spiral me into another google search of what they all mean, and sometimes i still can’t even find them.

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  Miguel
YaReally
9 years ago

@Lumpy
Awesome! You just made a bunch of Manosphere dudes trying to learn game happy. People keep complaining that my writing is scattered all over the sphere and hard to find/reference lol

Is there a way I can run it once a week to keep updating it regularly with my new stuff, or would I have to figure out a bunch of crazy Python stuff? I’ll definitely credit you, this is awesome! 😀

Sorry for the off-topic Rollo, have you got an E-Mail addy Lumpy?

Glengarry
Glengarry
9 years ago

“Sue wrote: “Do we know of a single case of this? Someone getting fired for anti-feminist views? I have never heard of it. In fact, I have never heard of anyone being fired for personal views of any kind. Can you provide examples please? I remain convinced this is paranoia.””

Gosh, I dunno, ask Larry Summers, former president of Harvard.

Glengarry
Glengarry
9 years ago

Arguing things out in the MSM will be a tough slog. Basically, you won’t win unless and until they let you. On the bright side, they want to talk to you and you don’t really need to talk to them.

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george capullo
george capullo
9 years ago

well, , the only red pill celebrity I know of is . . TED the living teddy bear!!
Who gets hired after badmouthing an interview and gets promoted after humping a coworker at working hours?
Gotta have some of those hookahs

Martin
Martin
9 years ago

doing an interview *for* the lamestream media is beta. there’s just no reason to participate in any MSNBC/ABC/FOX/CBS/MTV/HUFF article/interview/TVshow at all. they’re the matrix.

the people you want to talk to aren’t watching Huff TV, they’re on the internet. just deal with it.

luke
9 years ago

Having just been enlightened to this world but in finding out more I find it incredibly frustrating to have to delve into all this jargon. I read this article to know how to become unplugged from the ‘beta’ world. There are some excellent point here but is it really necessary to involve all these initiallism and jargon? Does it make those ‘insiders’ who are in the know more secure? That is usually the reason jargon it is used. The excuse is to put ideas into precise terms, this goes for most professions but actually its about ego boosting at the… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago
Reply to  luke

@Luke, start by reading these posts: http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/ I understand your hesitancy. A lot of the manosphere seems cultish or self-aggrandizing when you first look at it, but try to understand that much of what seems like ‘inside’ information amongst those ‘in the know’ stems from a need for terms. Acronyms and jargon come from a need to describe a concept as a point of reference. For instance we may use AFC for average frustrated chump. That probably seems derogatory (and sometimes it is) but it’s a term used for reference – the AFC is the Beta (another term) nice-guy frustrated… Read more »

lukeraftery
9 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

Thank you for your reply I will read them all, I have to. This is very overwheming and often upsetting stuff. The alternative ignoranceis very much more upsetting. I may be 50 but I will not spend another day as a volutary slave.

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8 years ago

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name the jew
name the jew
8 years ago

any time you used “women” or similar in the article, it should be replaced with ” jews”
– examples….

“̶w̶o̶m̶e̶n̶ Jews are the sole arbiters of relationship wisdoms” …and….

“the f̶e̶m̶i̶n̶i̶n̶e̶ jew imperative will readily use men’s default lack of legitimacy for its own purpose”

Marcelo Mason (@Marcelo_Mason)

No balls dropped. Though he could have injected himself a bit more into certain topics, what he did say was spot on and understandable.

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