The New Polyandry

About five years ago I wrote a post called You Need Sex. In that essay I asserted a few key points about the importance of a healthy sex life for men. If I’m honest I kind of expected most of the reactions I got from that post and even now it remains one of my more contentious pieces. Even when I was in my Blue Pill youth in the 80s and 90s I’d run across the guys who always wanted to deemphasize sex in some reverse-psychology effort to get women to believe that they were deeper than the guys who just wanted to bang them. These were the guys who’d listen to a girl say something like, “I don’t see why sex is such a big deal to guys” or “Am I just a piece of ass to you?“, they’d take it to heart, and then construct some kind of personalized Game around how they respected women and wanted to really relate with them ‘beyond the sexual’.

That’s exactly what the Blue Pill teaches guys; they should always defer to, empathize with and identify with the feminine. This is Blue Pill conditioning at its most basic. It is a boy/man’s imperative to place women’s existence as more important than his own – and with men’s innate protection instincts for women this Blue Pill training is key to establishing a gynocratic social order.

But guys also have to find some way to set themselves apart from the competition in the Blue Pill sexual marketplace. They have to find someway to make themselves unique in how unlike ‘typical‘ guys they are. The miscalculation is, of course, the belief that the more alike, the more they identify, with (as?) women the likelier a woman would select them for intimacy and reproduction. 

Men are natural problem solvers. It’s part of our evolved firmware to look for solutions to challenges in our environment. This makes us constructive, creative, often innovative and more ready to take risks. It also makes us competitive and that competitiveness extends to the sexual marketplace. So it’s not too much of a stretch to see how Blue Pill conditioned young men might look for creative ways to outdo one another in the ‘female-identification olympics

One way this identification competition gets pushed to new heights is in how well a man might better devalue and abase his own sexual strategy to better accommodate that of the woman he believes will appreciate it. Taken to the binary extreme this means finding some way to devalue all men’s sexual natures. What better way to set oneself apart from other guys than to not be a guy? What better way to empathize with the feminine than to tear down the gender women say they despise?

Does all that seem kind of ridiculous? I used to think this way when I was younger. There was a time I might’ve even jumped on the “masculinity is toxic/confusing/outdated/outmoded/ridiculous” train because I truly believed it was the way to a woman’s vagina heart and mind. Even in the 80s and 90s this was a popular misconception. It wasn’t until I’d been through my first bad breakup that I realized the truth. Then I had nothing to lose by making myself more important than the women I was idealizing and behold! The women I wanted, wanted me – sexually to be sure, but they wanted to lock me down in commitment.

In my 20s I had unwittingly shifted from one sexual strategy to another, and I liked the change. It didn’t happen overnight. I had to learn to adopt the attitude, the swagger, the character that would get me laid, but I found that the most important part of playing the game well was putting my own desires well above those of any woman.

Suddenly I discovered I could easily nail the girls I could only jerk off to in my younger years. I can remember the time I first had sex with a girl I thought was the apex of hotness when I was in my teens. She was the best friend of the girlfriend of the drummer in the band I was in then. Both were swimsuit models and I thought I’d finally reached the goal. It wasn’t until after I dumped her to get with a centerfold model that I knew I’d set my sights too low.

Does that sound like a humblebrag? If you’re still held back by a Blue Pill mindset it probably will. I mentioned on a podcast recently that a majority of men will never know sex as anything but a mitigated, compromised transaction. They’ll never know what it’s like to have a woman lust after them. They’ll never experience the dilated eyes of a woman that would give anything to please him in that moment. Not because she’s obligated, but because her ego is validated at the same time her body is aching to have sex with him.

Strategic Pluralism Theory

According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is to attract a partner who confers both long-term investment benefits and genetic benefits. Not all women, however, will be able to attract long-term investing mates who also display heritable fitness cues. Consequently, women face trade-offs in choosing mates because they may be forced to choose between males displaying fitness indicators or those who will assist in offspring care and be good long-term mates (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000). The most straightforward prediction that follows is that women seeking short-term mates, when the man’s only contribution to offspring is genetic, should prefer muscularity more than women seeking long-term mates.

from Why Is Muscularity Sexy? Tests of the Fitness Indicator Hypothesis

The latter quote here is a simple outline of Hypergamy, but the first part, Strategic Pluralism Theory is what I want to focus on today because this is where the “sex is no big deal” cop out derives from for men.

The first sexual strategy, the one in which a higher SMV (sexual market value) male can enjoy the sexual experience of many women is a strategy predicated on what our most basic, evolved, biological instinct directs us to. It served ancestral men better to ‘hit it and quit it’ and move on to the next girl as expediently as possible for a variety of reasons. This is also a reason why women’s Hypergamous filtering is a base part of women’s sexual selection process today. The investment cost of becoming pregnant was so high that it became part of women’s evolved firmware to be hypersensitive to reproduction cues as well as parental investment cues (provisioning resources) to ensure survival of herself and her offspring. If you ever wonder why rape is such an existential fear for women you have to understand that this fear is written deep into women’s evolved mental firmware because of men overriding this filtering process by violence.

The first archetype of Strategic Pluralism Theory we could day is the Alpha archetype. This is the guy who has the luxury, by effort or genetic lottery, to pursue what I’d speculate was our ancestors’ pre-agrarian, hunter-gatherer sexual imperative. This is what guys like to call the “Natural” with women. Thanks so any number of intersexual advantages (looks, Game, social proof, preselection) it serves him best to spread the seed and women are only too happy to enjoy him as well. He represents the 20th percentile in the 80/20 Pareto distribution of the sexual marketplace.

This side of Strategic Pluralism Theory reflects the r aspect of the r/K reproductive theory. A lot of well meaning Red Pill theologians seem to think that r/K reproductive selection is only limited to the female side of the equation. I’d also point out that this applies to the male side as well. Hypergamy is women’s evolved sexual strategy, however, I would argue that men’s innate, default sexual strategy is unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. This r strategy is manifested today in our base predilection for pornography. Untempered by societal restraints, Alpha sexual strategy is what men a majority would default to if given the choice. 

More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring.

I’m establishing this perspective to better illustrate the Beta side of Strategic Pluralism Theory. For sake of convenience I’m labeling men who fall into the ‘more attractive men’ category as Alphas. I don’t think this is too much of a stretch for most of my readers, but if you have a problem with this just consider the statistics laid out in the book Dataclysm. A majority of women rate 80-85% of men as “unattractive”. That last 15-20% are our ‘more attractive’ Alphas here.

This then leaves the remaining ‘less attractive men’ as the Beta cohort. 

…the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

This then is the Beta mating strategy and if it sounds like the conventional idea of monogamy you’re not too far off. This is the K side of the r/K selection theory. Before I continue I want to stress that monogamy or non-exclusivity is not a value judgement in this essay. Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks has male sexual strategy implications beyond women’s Hypergamy. I refer to Alpha and Beta as placeholder terms here.

For the Beta side of Strategic Pluralism the reproductive strategy is one that, in part, aligns with one side of Hypergamy. The 80% of ‘less attractive’ men find it necessary to compromise their biological imperative (unlimited access to unlimited sexuality) in order to successfully reproduce. This is the nuts & bolts of what is today being called “enforced monogamy”. While this idea is taken to absurd extremes by critics, the premise is rooted in Strategic Pluralism. Since monogamy serves the largest block of men’s reproductive efforts it follows that it would be the institutionalized standard for ‘civil’ society.

Monogamy is Beta

Monogamy is a social norm, if not an evolutionary norm. A lot has been written about how monogamy in its present incarnation – one man, one woman – is really the result of a post-agrarian social order that optimized the sexual strategy of Beta men. In essence socially-enforced monogamy serves the largest population of Beta males.

However, the tradeoff for women was long term provisioning, protection (in as far as the man was capable) and parental investment – all thing conducive to sustainable futures for women and their children. All that was expected of women was a compromise on the Alpha arousal side of Hypergamy. And naturally, Alpha men and most women found ways to circumvent this socio-sexual adaptation that benefitted women in spite of Beta men. 

Monogamy serves Beta men. Alpha men still get sex, broke or not.

I had the above video passed along to me by a Twitter follower about 2 weeks ago. I think he expected me to take issue with how she was defending ‘gold-diggers’ but, ironically, she unwittingly detailed the basics of Hypergamy and Strategic Pluralism Theory. She’s not wrong. Women’s sexual strategy is optimized in conditions of polygamy and polyandry, while men’s sexual strategy – the Beta sides anyway – is optimized in a condition of socially enforced monogamy. 

What’s really ironic is that this girl discounts what so many men discount when they consider Hypergamy. She couches her total perspective on the Beta Bucks, long-term provisioning side of Hypergamy while conveniently omitting the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy. The only consideration she has is for resource transfer – again perpetuating the Beta sex experience – and ignoring the fact that even poor men still get to bang women like her if they’re “hawt’. ‘Monogamy is made to benefit men‘, no it’s made to benefit Beta men; Alpha men solve the reproductive problem irrespective of (in spite of) socially enforced monogamy. ‘Broke men don’t get women‘,…unless they’re hot broke men.

I’ve seen Jordan Peterson and more than a few notable evo-psych professors make a similar mistake. They deliberately make Hypergamy solely about the Beta Bucks side of a dualistic mating strategy. Mostly this misdirection is due to personal bias or a want to present the feminine in a positive light. But likewise we also tend to see focus of men’s sexual strategy centering on what long term resources a man has to measure his worth by. Historically, women have generally been the losers in a social order based on a monogamy that tries to ensure that the most men (majority Beta) are solving the reproductive problem. Because women lacked the same resource generating capacity of men, because up until 50 years ago women needed men to solve the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy, monogamy was a at least a workable solution to their own reproductive problem.

In 2018 this is no longer the case. For all of the bleating of women wanting a ‘good man’ once they exit the cock carousel, the reproductive problem they’re trying to solve isn’t founded in the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy it’s on the Alpha Fucks side. For as much as the women in this video tried to defend their mercenary sexual strategy of being justifiable gold diggers they really didn’t need to. All of the provisioning needs side of Hypergamy is relatively provided for for women in western cultures today.

The monogamous priority – the one that tried to ensure that most Beta men reproduced – that priority has now shifted to a neo-polyandry. This new social mechanic attempts to solve the Alpha Fucks side of the reproductive problem for the largest number of women. Just as patriarchal monogamy attempted to aide men who wouldn’t otherwise reproduce, the new polyandry seeks to ensure that even the lowest SMV women are entitled to breed with an Alpha male of their choosing.

Once all social stigma and religious buffers were removed from Hypergamy (since the Sexual Revolution) it has been a rapid shift from a male-beneficial monogamy that’s been the social norm for millennia to a form of polyandry that benefits the female sexual strategy.

I’ll be continuing this post in the next essay, but before I leave this essay let me reiterate the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies: For one sex’s strategy to be fulfilled the other’s must be compromised or abandoned. Think of this on a sociological meta-scale.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“you stumble upon a clip on the internet of your sweet beloved getting gangbanged…”

j: I have zero understanding of women and base my views of them on web-based anecdotes and then generalize them as fact, meatfistedly but faux-authoritatively as if there is a whit of validity to any of it as again I’m completely void of boots-on-the-ground experience how the world works.

TRM’s own Piltdown man, j, is all incel faggottry and I hope he never leaves.

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There are two kind of men whotake high risk without hesitation: ones who with high confidence and the others who have nothing to lose.

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FYI, it was all about the woman, always is, she is the bait Yep. And anyone who has even an ounce of red pill insight who thinks about it for more than one second can see why this is obviously the case — RP 101. It’s also the case that a good portion of it is lesbian, because this seems easier for the husband to stomach than being cucked by another guy (plays into his fantasies more or whatever), and unlike men most women have a bi side to them whether they choose to act on it or not anyway,… Read more »

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@eh

Haha glad to have you back, broski. I was just thinking, where did my hater go? lol

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“I was just thinking, where did my hater go?”

j: I am a barely closeted daddy-issued-lust masochist bottom queer.

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J Lol. I don’t base any kind of relationship in someone else being magnanimous. It ain’t about pretending. Men don’t pretend. It’s not 100% outside of the realm of possibility that both my wives had been involved in a gang bang. Note: I said the ‘ realm of possibility ‘. I don’t pedestalize any woman ever. People in general are capable of anything. What I will know is what I can discern over time. I don’t make bullshit small talk with chicks if I want some kind of relationship with. They don’t teach that in pua😆 Sometimes the past is… Read more »

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‘ hone ‘ skills…..

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@blax

So bascially you wouldn’t care if you saw the clip lol. Because “the past is exactly that.” Like how Kayne is well aware of Kim K’s “video” and her previous relationships, but married her anyway.

“I don’t make bullshit small talk with chicks if I want some kind of relationship with. They don’t teach that in pua”

Can you expand on this? I think I know what you mean, but I’d like to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

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It’s interesting, there is a common thread of single guys who say things like “don’t ever get married”, in a large part because of the potential for “cheating” and yet they choose to bang non-monogamous single girls instead, who are de facto “cheating”.

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The potiental of her “cheating” on me is definitely not the main reason why single guys don’t want to get married. (At least not me). My reason is, I don’t want to be attached to one woman for 20+ years. And if I do get horny for another girl hotter or just as hot as my girl (which is inevitable (unless somehow my T levels drop so low, I don’t even want to bang anyone else besides my wife)) I’d like to act on it, without fear of the reprecussions of getting caught – divorce $$$. Notice how Sentient and… Read more »

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“I don’t consider the fact that I’ve had 3 ONS’ in the past month, “cheating” on my fuckbuddy.”

just like she doesn’t consider all the sucking and fucking she’s doing behind all her fuckbuddies backs to be anything worth noting until it is

evidence suggest that lots of guys enjoy going fifth

not sure what to call them

average maybe

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“evidence suggest that lots of guys enjoy going fifth”

Hypergamy>The New Hypergamy>Open Hypergamy>Polyandry>The New Polyandry> . . .

Guess What Comes Next

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“Guess What Comes Next”

socialism>starvation>revolution>anarchy>totalitarianism

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“I don’t want to be attached to one woman for 20+ years.”

Neither do they to j, he’s that low value. Notice how he paints his targets around his arrows?

j: TRM’s own curbside self-fulfilling prophet and resident fraud.

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j likes kissing the mouth that sucked another dude off within the last 24 hours. He’s in to the salty-tang.

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” Cheating would imply she gave you her word/signed a contract that stated she wouldn’t sleep with another man, and she dishonored it.”

??????

Who does this????

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@blax “Cheating would imply she gave you her word/signed a contract that stated she wouldn’t sleep with another man, and she dishonored it.” “Who does this????” Why do most couples divorce after one party commits adultery (or gets caught on more than one occasion)? Because by saying your wedding vows and signing the line that is dotted, you’re implying you will love him/her, and only him/her till death do you part. Cheating dishonors that. Why do BF/GF breakup, after one party cheats on the other with his/her close friend or a random stranger? Because by making your relationship Facebook Official… Read more »

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“Can you expand on this? I think I know what you mean, but I’d like to hear your thoughts. Thanks.” Sure. What I know, is that I could bang any girl I wanted to. Any girl standing in front of me. She can volunteer, or she can be forced. So the whether isn’t really a part of any equation actually. Lol. It’s not really about the P in V thing. That’s pretty much a given. What else she got? Buuutttt…. I’m not interested in the whole rapey thing. Sometimes, random conversation with unknown chicks can include the standard bullshit content… Read more »

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” Because by saying your wedding vows and signing the line that is dotted, you’re implying you will love him/her, and only him/her till death do you part. Cheating dishonors that.”

Lol.

Wedding ” vows ” and real life are 2 totally different things.

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evidence suggest that lots of guys enjoy going fifth

not sure what to call them

How about “needy, desperate young men”? “The Cuckolded”? “Darwin Award Candidates”?

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There are no ” good girls ” or ” bad girls “, just girls. Clear your mind and you will see.

Sorry, I prefer The Bard to Blax. More wisdom is available from Willie. Training matters. Lack of training matters.

I wonder if Blax could rape a girl in a bar frequented by cops. If he caught her alone in a back alley, probably. Context matters.

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“I don’t want to be attached to one woman for 20+ years.”

Or to multiple women. You know–daughters. Darwin Award Candidate.

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” I wonder if Blax could rape a girl in a bar frequented by cops…”

Depends.

How many cops? 2 .45’s raise a lot of hell.

Lol, cops are just dudes with badges and guns and a job.

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” Sorry, I prefer The Bard to Blax. More wisdom is available from Willie. Training matters. Lack of training matters.” Ha ha, and this is why you can be SHOCKED when that ” good girl ” goes bad, or have a woman disappoint you. Ever see the super smart, beautiful girl get strung out on drugs? How’d that happen? Or the dutiful loving mother of 2 wonderful kids and loving husband just…up…and leave? Run away? Go fuck the guy that works at the circus? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is perfect. Perfection does not truly exist. The human condition and… Read more »

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…who trained that teenaged upper class debutante to tongue my ass?

Her mother was beside herself when I came around and said her father would have a stroke if he saw me on the property.

So I banged her in the park as soon as the sun went down. I didn’t force her. I didn’t intimidate her. I just thought she was pretty and wanted to talk.

She certainly earned her Vala-dick-torian status.

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Ever see the super smart, beautiful girl get strung out on drugs? How’d that happen? Or the dutiful loving mother of 2 wonderful kids and loving husband just…up…and leave? Run away? Go fuck the guy that works at the circus? Shitty training. Training isn’t a guarantee, but a hedge. Good training is a hedge. Lack of training may or may not be an awful thing. Whoever is untrained will be feral. Serial murderer or serial slut. I dunno, some people like sluts with counts over 100. Some people end up training themselves well and turn out Ok. Surprisingly, some of… Read more »

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@Ralph
“There are two kind of men whotake high risk without hesitation: ones who with high confidence and the others who have nothing to lose.”

From my experience there are those that don’t have a choice, those with compassion and those seeking a thrill.

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@Blax: I’m interested in your tales of BJs on planes. I imagine it used to be slightly easier than it would be now (in terms of logistics, not in terms of seducing the girl).

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“@Blax: I’m interested in your tales of BJs on planes. I imagine it used to be slightly easier than it would be now (in terms of logistics, not in terms of seducing the girl).” Lol, really? Okay, for what it’s worth – It’s happened 3 times. Every time was on a Red Eye flight. There was a period when I flew all the time to Arizona and California, and sometimes down to the Caribbean. It started right after my divorce. Each time the circumstances were very similar. The lights were out in the plane, it was dead quiet, and almost… Read more »

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@ Palma

‘At her place after the FNL she said “do you always just take what you want?”

I forget what I said but acting like it was mine anyway is what got it…’

Yep, that’s how i rolled when pulling the babes. It’s the only way to roll, and it’s what women want (if they’re into you, obviously). They want to be taken & ravished by a man they desire.

Fortune favours the brave…

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“Even to an old grey haired fuck. So younger men should be absolutely KILLING it, no?” Blax, this is your weak spot. You genetically don’t care to be suspicious. Check it out: I throw all these guys together for a reason, like Hank and scars and scray and yareally and IAS and j have been around a long time commenting, requesting advice and giving advice. In reality they all are voyeurs, social goofballs who need hope that they can someday get laid thus live vicariously through your history. You recently felt compelled to say that a young dancer entreated you… Read more »

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Eh Daammmnnnn bro, lmfao. It’s partially my fault, because I’ve been telling stories here for years ( so much so that it kinds drove scrib over the edge…lol ), and I like seeing if I can tell a story and convey what was going on enough for guys to get the feeling. I stopped telling stories because 1) YaReally left. He would do things with a story, breaking it down inch by inch – and that shit was completely fascinating to me. 2) Scrib. He swore he ” scrolled right by my words ” , but I got tired of… Read more »

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…. I still have thoughts of that fucking kid that screamed and yelled for 4 entire hours on a flight from Puerto Rico to Newark. Those flights are hottie-filled, but I don’t think I saw one.

I just saw that fucking kid.

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But, soon after 9-11, people smiled and said hello when I boarded, and were very comfortable with me sitting next to them. Even the little old ladies.
Lmao.

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@eh “Blax, my n is so low, I mean really low, probably the lowest here” lol. no shit. @blax Breakdown “Chicks often had a thing with falling asleep and putting their heads on my shoulder, and eventually I’d subtly feel them up a bit”. No seduction/persuasion involved, really. Just be good looking and escalate. I have a lot of lays like this. @Sentient would call these fool’s mate according to Mystery Method. Don’t worry if you don’t know what the fuck that means. but you admitted you wouldn’t call this “seduction” so, moving on. “ASU t-shirt” “partying” Easy girl. “I… Read more »

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Lol. Evidently I don’t know shit about IOI’s.

I couldn’t break that down with a gun to my head.

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@blax

“Evidently I don’t know shit about IOI’s”

lol no biggie. Most naturals don’t. But understand them at an unconscious level.

See if you recognize any of the Indicators Of Interest from your story, below:

http://www.simplepickup.com/forum/questions-advice/2876-iois-indicators-interest.html

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@Blax: thanks for sharing. When I asked about being harder in terms of logistics was basically wondering about the isolating part / having enough privacy, which you hit on with the lights going on and off and such. I haven’t done many of those redlight flights but I seem to recall back in the 90s (pre-911 I guess) it was more chilled and would be easier to get away with it. I was also wondering if you had snuck into the restrooms or just got it in the seat – from your description, in the seat. That does take some… Read more »

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@j: good breakdown. I’m glad I could at least have done that breakdown. The issue is doing the actual “seductions” in real time as Blax did!

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“Don’t know why you are trolling/hating on me” Nah, you in particular no troll,your intent is pure enough. You have no malice in your posts…though if you can’t bang one well…there’s little chance you can bang two or ten or twenty. It’s about understanding yourself before understanding women, I guess. The law of decreased returns kicks in with FR’s and advice and after awhile, all this becomes a buffer, as if you’re not methodizing your life correctly, new isn’t always improved. Guys like j sell a slick bill of sale that a guy can paint a life by the numbers… Read more »

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IAS….

This isn’t about kids, fighting, or sex either.

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@j: good breakdown. I’m glad I could at least have done that breakdown. The issue is doing the actual “seductions” in real time as Blax did!

Surely, spotting IOIs in real time is key, even on the unconscious level. However, it doesn’t suck to get to where you recognize IOIs consciously. When you’re conscious of them it can give you an edge over a competitor. Maybe give you a .01 advantage in SMV, which might make all the diff.

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IAS is a good guy… IAS you’d have more success if you “did the work”… You aren’t doing enough in the field. I question whether you really want to pull the trigger… seems you get caught in the “nice feels” in the moment and end up sliding toward the friend-zone more often than not. This is also a consequence of the heavy social circle aspect of your interactions. Girls size you up very quickly – sex option or other… It’s hard to sexualize with intent when you are also maintaining normal socialization or doing activities etc. Once you miss the… Read more »

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That time of year again… Remember they are all just girls…

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Blax

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrnvRuLBNT-/

That you in the foreground?

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Here you go Rollo…

https://www.instagram.com/p/BLb4DfuBfHK/

A visual for some editorial comment…

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“Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies: For one sex’s strategy to be fulfilled the other’s must be compromised or abandoned. Think of this on a sociological meta-scale.”

Western is FUCKED! Buy an alcoran cause muslims are coming…

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Okay, I’ll go warn all the guys at the mosque around the corner.

Good looking out bruh.

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@ IAS re: fighting. “With you in particular, I just don’t quite get how you get in trouble so often (referring to several reports of fights or at least getting people really pissed off at you and wanting to start fights). You are pretty much the only one here reporting that kind of stuff.” Really? I’m the only one? Sentient is pretty good in the cage and Blax between fucking is fighting or has and could. If my failing memory serves me, Blax, outside a grocery store challenged a biker dude who was literally kicking a bum while he was… Read more »

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EI, you DO talk about confrontations a whole lot more than anyone else here. You have an air of prickliness about you. It feels aggressive. (If you’re going to do that in social contexts, remember a Gamer Maxim: Victory through overwhelming beta power. Chat up those bouncers and make them feel appreciated and friendly towards you.) Contrast with Blax or SJF or kfg who give off a chill vibe. If you have to fight and you’re smaller, have less reach, are weaker, etc., give ground and play with time and distance. Coordinate your strikes so that they land when your… Read more »

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Lol, for the record, I’m no tough guy at all. In a perfect world, I’d have chosen not to fight anywhere outside of a boxing ring for sport and fun. Hey I was raised to not back down, and that strategy has served me extremely well on the one hand, and has given me much difficulty on the other. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had a broken hand, and I will pay for this in aging going forward. I was taught that the strong should not prey on the weaker. For a long time, I was the… Read more »

EhIntellect
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“I was raised to not back down”

Nice.

Blax, ASD and everyone,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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Marriage and travel

theasdgamer
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Hey I was raised to not back down, Well, lol, you weren’t a short runt. I didn’t have an option about backing down when I was growing up. I HAD to fight. Sometimes against a couple of opponents at the same time when I was the smallest. Bigger boys would try to pick on me and yet I still won my share of fights. I was bullied for a few weeks in 6th grade and the bullies were surprised to find out that I was planning to drop bricks on their heads from the school rooftop. They gave me a… Read more »

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@SJF Excellant observation my man. Working it out on my own is just something I have to to do. And to be honest I think a lot of what is posted in the manosphere can be too right wing for me. I don’t go for that playground ‘who fucked the most women’ environment. You are right I take what I need, I reason and if it is useful and positive for me I use it. There is no black and white with the Red Pill, it is a spectrum. The Red Pill has helped me understand women, inter-gender dynamics and… Read more »

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Not backing down has cost me three broken hands and some ass-kickings. Rare moment of agreement with Blax here. I can’t help it. I almost got in a brawl in a parking lot yesterday with some amped up idiot racing around it. But I do always assess the risks and am not afraid to run either. I just have to be careful as I’m 56 now. At 40, I faced down a guy with 5 inches and 40lbs on me. I could see his mind not being able to process it. You see, for me, there is a switch in… Read more »

theasdgamer
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I’m not tough – I’m fearless and a maniac. Unless you are up against a pro fighter, most real fights are over in 30 seconds or less. And the person who takes the initiative wins. As a smaller guy, long ago I learned that the first job was to get a big guy off his feet. I excelled in wrestling at avoiding takedowns. And reverses. (Because my opponent had worn himself out attempting takedowns, then he’d eventually be successful, but easy to reverse.) In boxing, I was a counterpuncher. And I was doing jiu jitsu moves as a kid learning… Read more »

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< blockquote>”Sentient wrote you about hard work. The work he’s talking about is really putting yourself out there, in situations you might not be prepared for but you do it anyways. If you do you too will find yourself in man on man shit tests and they might get physical.” < blockquote> Just riffing on what EhIntellect is trying to articulate and along the lines of this current discussion: He’s talking about Pure Intention and avoiding buffers. (Of course, sometimes this will get you in trouble. That’s where Competence and Mastery comes into play.) He’s against what guys like J.… Read more »

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@ADs – Maybe you can jerk off while fantasizing about beating me up, lol. Me? I just turned down a romp with a 21yo who has no gag reflex…i’m low energy after an intense week. i need to conserve my energy, to reel in, to bring myself back within myself. Gonna play guitar right after I post this. For a long time… Meanwhile, back in reality, what I was saying is that being willing to throw down is part of being alpha. Women are attracted to lethal men. They are also scared of us…hehe. I’ve found this is very handy,… Read more »

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@rugby11

“The Family Alpha” sounds so try hard and cringeworthy. The guy married his Oneitis that cucked him. nuff said.

theasdgamer
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@scrib Nah, I was just riffing off of what you wrote. But you’re narcissistic and solipsistic enough to think that I would fantasize about beating you up. I explicitly said that I avoid fights. I don’t enjoy fighting even if I’m a little competent at it. The point was that there are counters to everything and that I have fought maniacal, fearless guys like you, although as a kid. The only one here that I would be careful to avoid antagonizing is Ton. But if he came after me, I wouldn’t be afraid. Blax is too cool for me to… Read more »

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have fought maniacal, fearless guys like you, although as a kid.

That would be maniacal fearless kids then…

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New Polyandry maybe not quite that different froma the old, secret society, polyandry? https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-46600325 People like Jenny, Bill, Catherine and Betty Jo – mostly in their late 40s or 50s – are all pretty much in the same boat. Their mothers got pregnant by someone who wasn’t their husband – whether willingly or not. It’s hard to come to terms with, but the practical consequences tend to be limited by the fact that most of the parties involved are either very elderly or dead. So what happens when a DNA kit reveals the secrets of those who are younger? Lawrence… Read more »

theasdgamer
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That would be maniacal fearless kids then…

Lots of people are scared of maniacal, fearless people, whether men or kids. Not me. That’s the point.

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[…] One of the dichotomies I consistently see in the manosphere is the differences in how men approach the importance (or feigned unimportance) of sex. I got a bit sidetracked in last week’s essay. I was planing on writing about this phenomenon when I saw the need to explore how it impacted a larger social narrative. So, let’s consider this essay an addendum to The New Polyandry. […]

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@ADS – And you wonder why people ignore you? You explicitly fantasized about winning a fight with me in your comment, but when called on it, you then claim that it’s my narcissism that had me suggest you add jacking off to your fantasizing. Go back and read it, you were telling me how you would counter my moves etc. But I live in a solipsism. Okay, bunky. Try and take some deep breaths and get a grip on yourself. Newsflash: You are a really old guy, mid-70s, right? You can’t win a fucking fight with anyone on this thread.… Read more »

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“Today there is a radical imbalance between the old social contract upon which enforced monogamy was a key element and the new social contract dictated by a gynocratic social order that places women’s sexual strategy well above that of men’s.“ The above statement directly contradicts the current success of cultural “alpha” sexuality described repeatedly on this blog as it is referenced in virtually every post written. The paradigm described throughout all these writings is not so much a paradigm that explains how women’s sexual strategy has been put above men’s as it explains how “alpha” sexual opportunity is facilitated above… Read more »

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@Not Born This Morning Did you get a new Theasaurus for Christmas? The ‘Author’s’ intent is to help men understand the matriarch society is built on. And with that knowledge become a better man. The irony is many men take it as gospel. Up until I swallowed The Red Pill, EVERY single woman through my lifetime, I have had an emotional connection to, has punished me for not being the man I should be. For not being the man she wants me to be. Even a prostitute treated me like something she had stepped in. In my 20s I was… Read more »

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@ scribblerg

Concur with the age/speed issue I’m 51 in my younger years I had decent size/strength circa 190 lbs and crazy hand speed, these days I’m like 225 and stronger but my speed and reflexes have mostly deserted me!

It’s a problem because I’m my head I’m still 25 in my abilities but it’s definitely not the case, I just don’t realise that I’m an old guy and I front situations that I maybe shouldn’t, I’m going to get found out some day soon for sure 😬

thesegregationofdialogue
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Women can also get their alpha fill in their twenties before settling down with a beta in their 30s or even 40s (ugh), a beta who will often raise the alpha’s children in the hopes of getting in one or two of his own. This is especially prevalent in African American communities: sometimes black women will settle down with beta white guys after riding the carousel for decades (unfortunately there is a big problem with beta-ness among white men). There’s a book that clearly showcases this called “Don’t Bring Home a White Boy.” In the book, eth author doesn’t even… Read more »

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“our ancestors’ pre-agrarian, hunter-gatherer sexual imperative” From what I’ve read, hunter gatherer societies also used marriage to try and ensure beta men had a chance at sex and children. In any society most men will be beta, even in hunter gatherer societies where by our standard every man would be considered pretty alpha. You’d have to read up on anthropological studies to see how these societies actually worked. I get the impression though that polygamy is accepted but rare, typically restricted to the headman. Sex outside marriage is restricted. Girls are typically married at puberty, men having to usually wait… Read more »

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https://www.bolde.com/what-i-learned-about-men-reading-mens-relationship-forum/?fbclid=IwAR0a-pXBYixGpWq0aY37rr8QK9kNlgp27yVP2lNInGzjwVUXC66INKiCw4A

This chick found an PUA or an RP forum. This is her impression of the guys: Wanting sex is shallow, judging female beauty is shallow, and men thinking women have it easier in the SMP is toxic masculinity. Author hopes men will gillette each other and hopes there are still good guys out there LOL! RP confirmed.

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If monogamy is beta and benefited men, how then do you explain women’s apparent need to get commitment from men via marriage?

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If monogamy is beta and benefited men, how then do you explain women’s apparent need to get commitment from men via marriage?

Monogamy is not necessarily beta. It benefits men by guaranteeing paternity – a man raises his own children, not the children of some other man.

Women’s dual mating strategy does not require that the man who gets them pregnant is the same man who supports them and their child(ren).

The dual mating strategy of women is not compatible with strictly defined monogamy.

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Women getting commitment from marriage ensures both alphas and betas get to reproduce into perpetuity. Women are desperate to mother “alphas”, but instinctively attempt to create “betas”(betatization). Both(all) men are marryable. Add solipsism and it goes on from there. It’s probably why women cheat on Alphas(Yes they do, once he pisses her off but she goes back to alphastud cuz the other guy doesn’t know how to do anything or he’s emergency male.). But she just needs one beta in the long run. Male and Female sexual strategy are said to be “complementary” after all. Heh. Alpha-Beta paradigm is faulty… Read more »

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