Adaptations – Part I

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Prior to the post-Sexual Revolution era men adapted to their socio-sexual and relational realities based on a pre-acknowledged burden of performance. I’ve outlined the expectations of this period in The Second Set of Books,

[…] when men transition from their comfortable blue pill perspective into the harsh reality that the red pill represents, the experience is a lot like Ball discovering that the set of books (the set of rules) he’d believed everyone was using wasn’t so. Likewise, men who’ve been conditioned since birth to believe that women were using a common set of rules – a set where certain expectations and mutual exchange were understood – were in fact using their own set. Furthermore these men ‘just didn’t get it’ that they should’ve known all along that women, as well as men’s feminization conditioning, were founded in a second set of books.

During the eras prior to the Sexual Revolution that first set of books was more or less an established ideal. Men were every bit as idealistic as they are today, but the plan towards achieving that ideal (if it was in fact achievable) was preset for them. Even the worst of fathers (or parents) still had the expectations that their sons and daughters would follow that old-order rule set as they had done.

For men a greater provisioning was expected, but that provisioning was an integral aspect of a man’s Alpha appeal. The burden of performance was part of a man’s Alpha mindset or was at least partly paired with it.

The danger in that mindset was that a man’s identity tended to be caught up with what he did (usually a career) in order to satisfy that performance burden. Thus when a man lost his job, not only was he unable to provide and meet his performance expectations in his marriage, he also lost a part of his identity. Needless to say this dynamic helped incentivize men to get back on the horse and get back to his identity and his wife’s esteem (even if it was really her necessity that kept her involved with him).

A lot of romanticization revolves around the times prior to the Sexual Revolution as if they were some golden eras when men and women knew their roles and the influence of Hypergamy was marginalized to the point that society was a better place than the place we find ourselves in today. And while it’s undeniable that cultural shifts since the sexual revolution have feminized and bastardized those old-order social contracts, men will always adapt to those new conditions in order to effect their sexual strategies.

There’s a lot of nostalgia for these idealized periods in the manosphere at the moment; seemingly more so as its members mature past their “gaming” years and begin to feel a want for something more substantial. Men are the true romantics of the sexes so it’s no great surprise that their romantic / idealistic concept of love would run towards romanticizing a hopeful return to what they imagine these eras were like.

It’s kind of an interesting counter to how feminism and the Feminine Imperative paints these eras – rather than some idyllic place where women appreciated men, feminists exaggerate and deride these times as oppressive; the sexual revolution akin to the Jews leaving Egypt. What both fail to grasp is the realities of these eras were still just as susceptible to human nature – the human nature described by what we call Red Pill awareness – and both sexes adapted to the social environments of the times to effect their natures.

Condoms were widely available in the 1940’s and men painstakingly painted half-nude pinup girls on the noses of their bombers. Women too adapted to that environment; from What Lies Beneath:

two books by John Costello; ‘Virtue Under Fire’ and ‘Love, Sex, and War’ in which all too much of the above female psychology manifested itself;

“Of the 5.3 million British infants delivered between 1939 and 1945, over a third were illegitimate – and this wartime phenomenon was not confined to any one section of society. The babies that were born out-of-wedlock belonged to every age group of mother, concluded one social researcher:

Some were adolescent girls who had drifted away from homes which offered neither guidance nor warmth and security. Still others were women with husbands on war service, who had been unable to bear the loneliness of separation. There were decent and serious, superficial and flighty, irresponsible and incorrigible girls among them. There were some who had formed serious attachments and hoped to marry. There were others who had a single lapse, often under the influence of drink. There were, too, the ‘good-time girls’ who thrived on the presence of well-paid servicemen from overseas, and semi-prostitutes with little moral restraint. But for the war many of these girls, whatever their type, would never have had illegitimate children. (pp. 276-277)”

and;

“Neither British nor American statistics, which indicate that wartime promiscuity reached its peak in the final stages of the war, take account of the number of irregularly conceived pregnancies that were terminated illegally. Abortionists appear to have been in great demand during the war. One official British estimate suggests that one in five of all pregnancies was ended in this way, and the equivalent rate for the United States indicates that the total number of abortions for the war years could well have been over a million.

These projections are at best merely a hypothetical barometer of World War II’s tremendous stimulus to extra-marital sexual activity. The highest recorded rate of illegitimate births was not among teenage girls, as might have been expected. Both British and American records indicate that women between twenty and thirty gave birth to nearly double the number of pre-war illegitimate children. Since it appears that the more mature women were the ones most encouraged by the relaxed morals of wartime to ‘enjoy’ themselves, it may be surmised that considerations of fidelity were no great restraint on the urge of the older married woman to participate in the general rise in wartime sexual promiscuity. (pp. 277-278)”

Women of the “greatest generation” were still women, and Hypergamy, just like today, didn’t care then either. Dalrock made a fantastic observation in a post once, and I regret I don’t have the link on hand, but paraphrasing he said “Every generation in bygone eras dated differently than the ones before it. Your parents dated in a social condition that was very different than your grandparent or their parents. No one in this generation is going to date like they did on Happy Days.” I think it’s important we don’t lose sight of this, but it’s also important to consider that in all those eras men and women’s sexual strategies remained an underlying influence for them. All that changed was both sexes adapted to the conditions of the times to effect them.

Post-Sexual Revolution Adaptation – The ‘Free Love’ Era

While there’s a lot to criticize about the Baby Boomer generation, one needs to consider the societal conditions that produced them. Egalitarian equalism combined with ubiquitous (female controlled) hormonal birth control and then mixed with blank-slate social constructivism made for a very effective environment in which both sexes sexual strategies could, theoretically, flourish.

Women’s control of their Hypergamous influences, not to mention the opportunities to fully optimize it, was unfettered by moral or social constraints for the first time in history. For men the idea of a ‘Free Love’ social order was appealing because it promised optimization of their sexual strategy – unlimited access to unlimited sexuality.

The new Free Love paradigm was based on a presumption of non-exclusivity, but more so it was based on an implied condition of non-possessiveness. Men adapted to this paradigm as might have been expected, but what they didn’t consider is that in this state their eventual cuckoldry (either proactively or reactively) amounted to women’s optimizing their own Hypergamous impulses.

The social contract of  Free Love played to the base sexual wants of permissive variety for men, or at least it implied a promised potential for it. Furthermore, and more importantly, Free Love implied this promise free from a burden of performance. It was “free” love, tenuously based on intrinsic personal qualities on the inside to make him lovable – not the visceral physical realities that inspired arousal nor the rigorous status and provisioning performance burdens that had characterized the intersexual landscape prior.

It should be mentioned that ‘free love’ also played to men’s idealistic concept of love in that freedom from a performance-based love. The equalist all’s-the-same environment was predicated on the idea that love was a mutually agreed dynamic, free from the foundational, sexual strategy realities both sexes applied to love. Thus men’s idealism predisposed them to being hopeful of a performance free love-for-love’s-sake being reciprocated by the women of the age of Aquarius.

That’s how the social contract looked in the advertising, so it’s hardly surprising that (Beta) men eagerly adapted to this new sexual landscape; going along to get along (or along to get laid) in a way that would seem too good to be true to prior generations. And thus their belief set adapted to the sexual strategy that, hopefully, would pay off for them in this new social condition.

For women, though not fully realized at the time, this Free Love social restructuring represented a license for optimizing Hypergamy unimpeded by moral restraint and later unlimited (or at least marginalized) by men’s provisional support. For the first time in history women could largely explore a Sandbergian plan for Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks and, at least figuratively, they could do so at their leisure.

The problem inherent in the Free Love paradigm was that it was based on a mutual understanding that men and women were functional equals, and as such a mutual trust that either sex would hold the other’s best interests as their own. That basis of trust that either sex was rationally on the same page with regard to their sexual strategies is what set the conditions for the consequent generations to come.

This trust on the part of men was that these “equal” women would honor the presumption that it was “who” they were rather than what they represented to their sexual strategy at the various phases of their maturity that would be the basis for women’s sexual selection of them.

In part two I’ll continue this exploration through the 70’s and into our contemporary socio-sexual environment.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Good post and it illuminates our human inability to comprehend historical reference in the broader scale. We think everything important happens in OUR time. It’s a funny funny hamsterization. Every man reading here needs to go watch Ken Burns’ “Prohibition” and you will see quickly and clearly what launched the Feminine Imperative and where we likely go from here. Technology (ie: cheap grains being distilled to something not generally known prior, highly potent booze) kicked off the temperance movement, then the Suffragetes. It’s likely that the only thing that stops the adaptations and rapidly allows human sexual politics (and by… Read more »

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@Tilikum:

The fight for the Tender Years Doctrine came first and is at the core, it’s babies all the way down, but the temperance movement handed out the battle axes.

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@KFG

Touche

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Good insights, nova seeker, about linking today’s situation all the way back to the twenties. The historian John lukacs makes a similar sort of argument In his book a new republic, although he does also argue that there was something respectable and bourgeois about women during the twenties. Not all women then were flappers; many lived good decent lives.

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@Badpainter “but EXPECT the rest of the unfuckable to provide resources, attention, and protection just by mere fact of their existence.” That is the core of my biological maladaptive coping mechanism. “For example if the ratio is1:1 but half the men are fabulously gay does that make a difference?” Only reproduction @sjfrellc “If someone were to contest your position in which you keep frame, the proper response is to agree and amplify or react non emotionally, just like any other shit test.” That’s hell of an importance to think I’m a social situation. I am still struggling with that. “our… Read more »

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In other words, the sex ratio has no impact on a man’s social status as sexually attractive or unattractive. No, it doesn’t. It impacts behaviors, not attractiveness. What it means is that in a low sex ratio setting, women perceive fewer attractive males, total, and therefore give in to what the *attractive* males want. So the less attractive males are left out. In a higher sex ratio setting, less attractive men are less likely to go without mates, due to the higher value men being snapped up into commitment, with the other women having to readjust their lenses — again… Read more »

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France post WWI had massive death and casualty rates, here is a study on the sex ratios and observed behaviour. Marrying Up: The Role of Sex Ratio in Assortative Matching http://web.stanford.edu/~ranabr/marriage.pdf “Fewer men aged 20–29 remained single in regions with higher mortality postwar. We also find that military mortality had a negative effect on divorce rates for young adults: the proportion of divorcés among men and women aged 20–39 declined postwar in regions with higher mortality rates.” “Overall, we find that the decrease in sex ratio induced by war-related mortality allowed men postwar in regions with higher mortal- ity to… Read more »

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June 14th, 2015 at 7:26 am

Why would you make such a wild claim?

Misremembering. I was corrected. It was Alexandria.

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June 14th, 2015 at 12:18 pm

That was really good.

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What is GBFM? I do wish people would spell things out.

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rugby11ljh, I was involved (very peripherally – I was off shore on DLG(N) 25 – just watching from the deck) in this little dust up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAerUJbn0cE I was there in March or April of ’66. The video doesn’t do it justice. The guns were firing at an overall rate of 1 or 2 a second. Every 4th of July I’m reminded of it. I thought at the time. “the poor b’tards on the receiving end”. When I got out there was lots of pussy. Free Love was in the air. Might have been in the food and water too. I… Read more »

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June 15th, 2015 at 12:30 am

Re: Hetty Green – “profited from the China trade” means opium dealing.

http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html

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@ Tilikum

“It’s likely that the only thing that stops the adaptations and rapidly allows human sexual politics (and by default ALL politics) to revert to their mean would be a loss of that technology.”

The idea that our material and economic life conditions our cultural, ethical, political, and ideological life is the basic initial assumption behind Marxism. Make of that what you will.

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“..,the basic initial assumption behind Marxism. Make of that what you will.”

And basic assumption behind Smith, and Hobbes, Hayak, Voltaire, etc, etc.

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No, it doesn’t. It impacts behaviors, not attractiveness.

In other words, its impact is marginal at best.

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@Rollo Thanks, as always, for your insightful article. I wonder if you are aware of the writings of Daniel Amneus. I discovered him because somebody posted a link in one of the recent RoK articles. I surmise that Amneus should be at least interesting to you because he (also) writes about patriarchy/matriarchy from an evolutionary perspective. To wit, he states that matriarchy is the default sexual/political configuration among mammals, that patriarchy is only recently been “grafted” upon the female domain of reproduction among humans, and that is what has given us a species a massive advantage among animals. Interestingly, he… Read more »

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@Divided Line

Any study of human nature will properly identify the issues. As well, any understanding of human nature will give you the limited possible outcomes in human governance (and lets be honest, there are only 4-5) that we enjoy.

Marxism of course being the collective nurturing and “X” style of management that never works…for long.

In open systems with individuals, the balance of power ebbs and flows. Best to just stay an individual with power inside of whatever system you occupy.

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Interesting . . . .Was thinking about Nassim Talebs ‘Black Swan’ – (The Impact of the highly Improbable)

. . . . relative to ‘Patriarchy’, The Enlightenment, Individualism and ‘Athens and The Greek Miracle’ . . etc . . . . . as I internalized Rollo’s essay this weekend.

. . . . . . .“Numberless are the world’s wonders, but none
More wonderful than man” . . . . . . Sophocles – circa 425

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. . . . “Another profound observation he makes about matriarchy (what feminism is all about) is that if causes the species to devolve to the primitive conditions of social organization found among cattle, thus a massive pushback in direction Patriarchy is in order if our species is to retain it’s comparative advantage over animals.”

. . . man kinds nature is tribalism, collectivism where Patriarchy and order is the exception not the rule. . . . .

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70’sAntiHero – “…man kinds nature is tribalism…”

Only in physical environments where basic survival is relatively easy to attain and maintain and long term planning is not an absolute necessity. It’s one thing for mother nature to change the menu based on the seasons, it’s another entirely when mother nature effectively closes the food bank for half the year.

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@ Badpainter . . . . Fair enough. . . . however, it is hard to argue against, as a consequence of our social-political culture and the massive wealth re-distribution that is the mainstay of Government largess of Western nations. . . . . . . . . and the Post-Modern ‘tearing down’ (of the Enlightenment) and of white anglos saxon males or post renaissance and traditional european cultures . . . . . . . . . the observable trend is to know where it’s going. . . . . . . . . charity is the sovereign of… Read more »

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@DividedLine – You do two things wrong in your comment about materialism and marxism: 1. You don’t actually account for the history of materialism. Hegel’s dialectical materialism was adopted by Marx and Engels as a key mechanism that drove society forward. In fact, they reduced society to materialistic concerns – something capitalists like Adam Smith never did. The wheels of history were supposedly grinding away beyond the control of any of us directly, and the problems of capital that Marx also observed incorrectly were to bring us to a state where the proletariat rose up against their exploiters. Marx formalized… Read more »

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@All – Correction, Marx predicted that the working class would become poorer and poorer – the emergence of a strong middle class obviated everything Marx believed.

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I’ve been taking-in a lot of information lately regarding the temperance movement. My notion of our current social condition is in the process of taking on a new understanding, given that the “women’s power” movement had it’s true roots long before any bras were burned. The rural nature of the movement, and the largely female base, is of interest. But, most fascinating is the evolution of politics that was happening as a result: mudslinging and attack rhetoric were becoming standard practice, and “emotional” campaigns were being pioneered to sculpt public opinion. Also interesting is the stretch of time over which… Read more »

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In other words, its impact is marginal at best. I wouldn’t say that. The impact is substantial in terms of whether the culture is one that is centered on early and durable marriage, or one that is centered on promiscuity and later and less stable marriage. That’s a pretty big difference. If the concern is “which system is it easier for the average guy to get laid under”, then the impact may be marginal (he’s likely slightly better off under the high sex ratio setting because he will more easily find a mate to marry, but he won’t have access… Read more »

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More off-topic: below is an interesting graph which was published in a comment 2 years ago:

http://makeshiftalpha.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/sexualvalue.gif
(published here: http://bit.ly/1R0v2j2)

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Your Mom’s so classless, she could be a Marxist Utopia.

(that’s all I got guys, nothing constructive to contribute lol)

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Adaptations indeed. This is how I see the Red Pill in action in my life, as a way to motivate me to adapt instead of to admit defeat and collapse in a puddle. One of the reasons I get super aggravated at women who come here (not other places in my life) is that this is the one place where I know other men will admit how difficult and challenging it is being a man. Here I can actually discuss whether I want to shoulder the “burden of performance” or not without being shamed. Here I get to discuss what… Read more »

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More off-topic: below is an interesting graph which was published in a comment 2 years ago:

I think Rollo’s graph is more accurate.

That one puts the cross too early (25 — it’s more like 30ish), and the male curve should probably be shifted to the right, slightly. The female curve also peaks too early (17?) — I’d say 19-22 is the peak range for females. But directionally, it’s fine, just needs some tweaks.

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“Agreeableness and humility in men has been associated with a negative predictor of sex partners.” I was talking to one of my orbiters on Saturday She was asking my advice on men. She’s got a dude that has been texting her a lot, “Hey beautiful” “How was your day?” “Did you make it home safe?” Gag. “I don’t know what this guy wants!” “Is he interested?!” “Is he just a friend!?” “What’s his deal?!” “Why are men so timid?!” “Does he not have a backbone at all?!” “Is he expecting me to make the first move?!” “I ask him what… Read more »

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The impact is substantial in terms of whether the culture is one that is centered on early and durable marriage, or one that is centered on promiscuity and later and less stable marriage. That’s a pretty big difference. Except the sex ratio has no effect on that either. The US has a high sex ratio. Ukraine, on the other hand, has a low one, in fact it’s one of the lowest in the world. Yet the overall trends are the same in both places: unstable and delayed marriages, widespread promiscuity, complaints about male underperformance etc. Hell, China has a very… Read more »

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I’m all for huge wars, these days, given the overpopulated nature of our planet. But, large numbers of men dying and leaving behind a higher woman ratio?

Bonus!

It wouldn’t matter much. The US could lose 50 million of its male population tomorrow, and women would still whine and moan that there are too many icky betas and omegas around them. Plus alphas are generally bigger risk-takers, so they’d suffer disproportionately large losses in any armed conflict.

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“I don’t think democracy can work. The U.S. was really an experiment in democracy and we have the results – it’s failed. People will not restrain themselves from using the power of the state to steal other people’s shit. No matter how hard the founders of the govt try to prevent govt from having that power, people will not restrain themselves. “It’s because most people are fucking idiots and have no business making serious decisions about our laws, national strategy on the world stage or economics in the first place, which is a fatal flaw in our system.” Democracy only… Read more »

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One of the reasons I get super aggravated at women who come here (not other places in my life) is that this is the one place where I know other men will admit how difficult and challenging it is being a man. Here I can actually discuss whether I want to shoulder the “burden of performance” or not without being shamed. Here I get to discuss what it’s really like to be in a non-stop, high stakes competition that I can’t just opt out of by having a baby. In fact, reaching my goal of reproduction means a loss of… Read more »

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@scribblerg @hullenhund2 I agree this a sort of boys club, all though a relative newbie,I feel free to share. I take great solace in the fact that because of the ‘man-o -shpere’ with intellectually based thinking – primarily TRM – and Evo/psych and Roissy – understanding and appreciation of Western thought woven in with sardonic man humor. . . . Post divorce 8 years – and the fact that I survived, a minimum of child alienation and financial decline (off coarse I always didn’t think so) . . . I have been able to slowly build my world back, to… Read more »

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@Vulpine “Have a war” “With who? Doesn’t matter…” That’s chilling do you know that China had a 80 million person death from a famine the world didn’t know about for almost 40yrs? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10600969 @scribblerg “is that this is the one place where I know other men will admit how difficult and challenging it is being a man.” Yes it is arguably the most needed place. “I can also share field reports on what it’s like to adapt. It’s fucking hard.” It is @caveclown “Most men JUST DON”T GET IT.” Used to be one of them… @thedeti http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo3612682.html Good point @hullenhund2… Read more »

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““Most men JUST DON”T GET IT.”
Used to be one of them…”

rugby,

I’ll be the first to admit, sometimes I still don’t get it.

Learn and improve, rinse and repeat.

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@HH — As I wrote above, there are multiple factors involved. The sex ratio is not the only one, but it is one of many. There are other factors that also play into things. What I think ought to be resisted is the idea that either an explanation is totally explanatory in a reductive sense, or it is simply wrong. Things are more complex than that. And even within the sex ratio itself as its own factor, you really need to drill down into the operative sex ratio, which is the one for people in the mating/marrying age bands and… Read more »

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rugby11ljh – “What’s your take on selling out?” I know you didn’t ask me but… Selling out is just trading your agency, and self respect out for money/status/pussy/whatever. You’re untrue to own nature and desires which you conceal or suppress. You do this because you’ve believe or have been conditioned to believe that if you act purely on your own nature, motivated by your own desires then you will likely lose access to money/status/pussy/whatever. Most bluepill AFCs have sold out for the trinket of moral acceptability, that is they believe by selling out they can gain the trust and esteem… Read more »

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Gotta make your own gang dude.

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scribblerg June 15th, 2015 at 10:37 am It’s best to see Marxism as a spasm of revolutionary fervor against atrophied and exploitative aristocrats in Europe. It took different shapes in different societies. One of the interesting aspects is how many Jews adopted it. Some see evil here – revealing their anti-semitism. Jews were always outside of these formal power structures, while serving them and mingling. But they would naturally want to destroy the aristocracies of old Europe. They also were always more highly educated and part of civil society so they would be tuned into the political philosophies of revolt… Read more »

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Is there a way out of the Banker’s Revenge?

Crypto currency might be an answer.

http://protonboron.com/portal/#donate

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@Caveclown “Learn and improve, rinse and repeat.” Don’t wish it where easier wish you where better… description Do better we must http://www.returnofkings.com/27793/6-powerful-passages-from-meditations-by-marcus-aurelius @Badpainter “You’re untrue to own nature and desires which you conceal or suppress.” Spot on I’ve done that a huge portion of my life. “In doing so to maintain the monthly payments on that trust and esteem they have to trade in their self respect and personal agency their decisions and choices and tastes and opinions are circumscribed by the whims of others they seek to impress.” Fuck… “Or he’s saying always demand the highest possible price and… Read more »

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One other thing to keep in mind. In the late 50s early 60s Jewish men were the most promiscuous. Average “n” being 12. So the loose morals charge was probably correct. But you kill off enough men and as we all know it is “girls gone wild”. What else does it say? The women probably rode the carousel before marriage. And marriage was later.

But what the women did was more or less hidden. As women used to prefer in the wider culture. Hypergamy was not open. Then.

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June 15th, 2015 at 3:24 pm

And what does an average “n” of 12 mean in terms of actuality given 80% Beta?

If the Betas got one the Alphas averaged 56. If the Betas averaged two the Alphas got 53.

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June 15th, 2015 at 10:45 am

The fact that the Temperance movement was rural was very significant. Politically.

Rural is Right. Cities are Left. I wrote something on that quite a while back.

A thermodynamic explanation of politics

I’m told that page is screwed unless you have an ad blocker. I do. Which is why I had to be told.

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My take on selling out?

Get a good price.

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@ rugby11ljh Be glad your doing this at 27 and not 44. Don’t, or try to minimize your concern about “selling out.” My experience with concept comes from art school where all the students were very concerned about being sell outs. As a results most will never be artists by trade or even by passion because they fear the judgment of others if they dare make a buck in the process. I being a total bastard always said the greatest acclaim I could receive as an artist was a wad of cash. What that meant was work created by me… Read more »

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@Rugby ‘Selling Out’, outside the realm of artistic expression is some what ambiguous to me. . . . So I think to use it as some sort of guiding principle of integrity for self improvement is potentially dangerous. . . . Selling implies a commercial transaction and therefore legitimate. . . . A fair trade of VALUE for VALUE . . . . . . I’m a capitalist so profit isn’t a dirty word. . . . To me customer service, ultimately is what business is about and so I believe it has integrity. . . . street hustlers and… Read more »

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@M Simon Get a good price? Male 27 one word Performance Not so sure I would do that to myself. As far as N counts and alphas and betas. High school was the best place to learn and see obvious red pill truths that I willingly didn’t wanna admit when the truth. I feel in love with myself through chronic masturbation because I didn’t want to anger anyone with strong religious convictions. What price is the semen of the alpha compare to the beta? Is it just the fact that the alpha gets to penetrate the women that the semens… Read more »

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June 15th, 2015 at 5:12 pm

Man! That was a slice of life. And I used to be a butcher.

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“Women says “help me with this” I used to say sure. Now it’s more “No thank you”” I got asked to use my pickup to haul rock for a girl’s new fire pit. My exact text response: “Hahahahahahaha” She sent a slightly bitchy response, can’t recall what it was. I ignored it. She invited me over that same night to help use the fire pit that I did not help with, plus she bought me beer, dinner, and smores. Oh, and she invited one of her girlfriends over because she figured I might like her. (I didn’t, hot…but weird) But… Read more »

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@Caveclown
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_MATCHMAKING_WEBSITE?SITE=AZTUS
Iran is mandating a redpill dating site… AhahahHahaha

@M Simon
I love hunting and cooking my own food. But that opening also shows the burden of performance in are surveillance state. The constant never ending I see you now Dance like a monkey for me.

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rugby11ljh – “Well I only feel that way HERE. In the ‘Real world’ I get attacked for that so I move on to new things.” I feel ya. But here’s the thing you should not be tolerating this. Fight back. If you being attacked, and you fight back the worst that can happen is those people never want to be around you. That’s not bad. I don’t know about you but I refuse to be around people who attack me. Those types are toxic. I’m sure you’ve heard the old line “it’s not all about you,” when you here shit… Read more »

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Here’s to you Pop Rollo. . . . To be your Dad, he must of been a cool guy!

To live in hearts we leave behind is not to die.

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Requiescat in pace.

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I’ll pop open a ginger beer.
Salud Rollo.

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@Badpainter “I don’t know about you but I refuse to be around people who attack me.” Well getting better at that. It’s hard being decent around people that aren’t willing to admit your best interest. I realize that the FI is my mother my sisters and a huge part of farther. But that’s ok I can build my own damn family. It’s hard to admit to myself that I am the one who tolerates this self righteous moralistic world. Which is only maintained by me pretending along with it. “If you are not all about you then what are you… Read more »

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“Things are more complex than that. And even within the sex ratio itself as its own factor, you really need to drill down into the operative sex ratio.”

Deti would love this one, the Availability Ratio (AR), it’s basically the sex ratio at any given age group by sexual preferences, some metrics include education, status etc.

Basically for every woman at their peak (from 18 to 28 and depending on locality) there is 1.8 men for every woman. It reaches 1 to 1 when women reach between 35 to 42, once again depending on locality.

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My Dad’s funeral was one of the hardest days of my life. An Alpha man who devoted himself to my mother. Who, unlike a LOT of women, returned the favor.

Peace Rollo. And give yourself a year. It takes that long for “normality” to return.

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June 15th, 2015 at 11:05 pm

That is a neat trick that I didn’t know. Replacing “www” with “m”. I’m going to have to remember that.

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If memory serves, I once saw Rollo write that females are not attracted by intelligence in males. That is simply incorrect. I think that Rollo had a thought, but didn’t take it to its conclusion. So let me now fill that gap. Do females give a shit about your intelligence re engineering, or math, or programming, or any other aspect of building/maintaining civilization? Of course not, they merely bask in its benefits. Do they take notice if your intelligence re human relationships is above that of your competitors? You better believe it. They will actually compliment you on that, specifically.… Read more »

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June 16th, 2015 at 4:07 am

Agreed. After all the other “requirements” are met intelligence can be a deciding factor. Back in the 50s and 60s it was why some girls went to college. “Majoring in husband finding” was a common joke back then.

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And why would a woman pick intelligence after all the other qualifications are met? Earning power for one. Smarter babies for another.

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“If memory serves, I once saw Rollo write that females are not attracted by intelligence in males. ” Not quite. Intelligence can be quite attractive as per, “Earning power for one. Smarter babies for another.” What it isn’t is a trigger of desire, lust. Can it get you laid? Sure, but she’ll be thinking of a new house and BMW while doing it. In the foam cannon she’ll be too busy fucking to think of anything. That is the distinction that Rollo is making. “They will actually compliment you on that, specifically.” What a woman says is not what she… Read more »

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emotional intelligence is attractive, and practical intelligence (smarts and common sense) has some attractiveness

Put another way, intelligence that makes it possible to apply Game better is a factor in attraction

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Hard to take anyone’s claim that they are some kind of intellectual elitist and that america was formed as an experiment in democracy. Most of the dudes who set.up the early republic despised democracy and thought it to be the worst kind of government Male to female ratio and it’s impact on culture; I would think now that women vote in large numbers, work outside the home in large numbers and have massive assistance from the govt etc, the male to female ratio would not need to be particularly skewed to.have a larger then historic As for what was going… Read more »

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@kfg Not quite. Intelligence can be quite attractive as per, “Earning power for one. Smarter babies for another.” What it isn’t is a trigger of desire, lust. – “Smarter babies for another.” ie, primal hardwired genetics… and yet it has no effect on primal drives such as “desire, lust.” Quite the backflip you did there. Can it get you laid? Sure, but she’ll be thinking of a new house and BMW while doing it. In the foam cannon she’ll be too busy fucking to think of anything. That is the distinction that Rollo is making. – Contrary to what Madison… Read more »

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@Rollo.
I envy you to have had known your father.
When my dad died (I was 17) I felt indifferent thanks to my Mother’s brain washing me against my Dad.

At my age now I feel the indifference to wards my old Mother.

This is the pay back to mothers who brain wash their baby boys thinking it will never back fire.

Re intelligence.,
A man who flashes his provisions/$$ might as well go to prostitutes and save 99% of his provisions.
Provision is NOT arousal and arousal is NOT provisions.
The medium is the message.

Ps
Sad that most men still think money would guarantee authentic fucking.

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The male burden of performance = the female burden of performance (negotiated arousal) to provision.

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“Quite the backflip you did there.”

The backflip was not done by myself. It is done by women. I merely note it. The messenger is not the message.

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“Embrace your intelligence, gentlemen.”

If you cull out the obvious trolls and drive bys, I wouldn’t be surprised if the average IQ of TRM commenters is 2 STD above the mean. I have yet to observe a single one of them bemoaning their intelligence.

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I have a friend who have money and all he does is to talk about how much money he makes and how much money he spends on his kids / friends. In other aspects of life, he is the most boring / stupid man I’ve ever known. I’ve known him for over 20 years and I swear I had never bought him a cup of coffee or a beer for 20 years! The reason he would not let anybody including women pay is : to show he’s got money and provision. His wife had left him /kids and eloped with… Read more »

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@M Simon That page is was like someone hid a pack of firecrackers in the cookie jar! I’m screwed 40x on my hooptie computer: shame, I would’ve liked to see what you had to say there. @Badpainter My problem with my “plan b” career was regarding selling out. As with most artists, my problem was with selling “art”. I had the same problem in high school. My music teacher insisted I play the violin right-handed. My trombone teacher insisted I wasn’t blowing notes correctly despite the meter reflecting that I do. Essentially, I gave up those instruments because I wasn’t… Read more »

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“My music teacher insisted I play the violin right-handed.”

That’s a practical matter for ensemble playing, just as right handed spear wielding is a practical matter for forming a phalanx.

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@kfg And yet, they piss and moan, incessantly, about 50% of THEIR species—females. “I wouldn’t be surprised if the average IQ of TRM commenters is 2 STD above the mean.” Then where are they in Rollo’s comments? I don’t see them, ever. If it were true that the average IQ of TRM commenters is 2 STD above the mean, then we would read some tiny percentage (1%) of their comments on an *average* basis, rather than reading the incessant comments of abjects. But we don’t see that now, do we? Hence the readership of TRM. “I have yet to observe… Read more »

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Sorry, this is a bit off current topic, but found an interesting post along the lines of both female entitlement and the ever-growing monster which is SJW tantrums: http://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/ Girl goes into get a neck tattoo. Artist refuses for traditional tattoo artist reasons. Girl tries to turn it into the latest SJW rallying cry. Artist tells her she is a twit and why: “I was targeted by a blogger via Jezebel.com who would like to see me out of business. The reason? I refused to tattoo her neck, as I regularly do when asked by a sparsely tattooed or un-tattooed… Read more »

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“And yet, they piss and moan, incessantly, about 50% of THEIR species—females. ”

That many of the do. One of the purposes of TRM is to help them get over it.

“Then where are they in Rollo’s comments?”

Hiding in plain sight.

“I don’t see them, ever.”

Open your eyes.

“What point are you trying to impress upon this audience?”

It’s babies all the way down.

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@Intelligence,

Your comment @ June 16th, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Found it hard to follow what you were saying with the formatting you used on the post. If I can’t be sure what you are quoting as opposed to stating, it gets to be a bit of a muddle.

Just sayin’…

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@kfg That many of the do. One of the purposes of TRM is to help them get over it. – Of course. Encouraging that mentality without an exit plan is destructive. “Then where are they in Rollo’s comments?” Hiding in plain sight. – Yeah, that’s who I write for also. The commenters do NOT accurately represent the readership, on any site. “I don’t see them, ever.” Open your eyes. – Fair enough. My will becomes jaded, and that is something that must be managed daily, like brushing one’s teeth. “What point are you trying to impress upon this audience?” It’s… Read more »

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@intelegence on

Your way of posting reminds me of insanity22,?
It was the sunset and a glass of wine?

Are you insanity22 or her boyfriend?

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I’m her pet iguana. Do you have anything constructive to add, or do you merely get off on wasting the time of other people? Idiot.

And you clowns wonder why females and alphas will have nothing to do with you. Read the above diarrhea. Who, alpha or beta, rich or poor, male or female, black or white, liberal or conservative, WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT TOXIC MINDSET?

Snap out of it, for your own sake.

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Do you have anything constructive to add, or do you merely get off on wasting the time of other people? Idiot.

And you clowns wonder why females and alphas will have nothing to do with you. Read the above diarrhea. Who, alpha or beta, rich or poor, male or female, black or white, liberal or conservative, WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT TOXIC MINDSET?

Uhmmmm, that was kind of an Insanity type o’ response…

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Dude I know in the tattoo business says chicks are the worst clients. He also paints and what not and says…. chicks are his worse clients.

Why? Cannot tell them a damn thing. It’s their 1st tattoo or 1st commissioned art work yet they are the experts on every aspect.

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@Intelligence – Okay, I’m going to make this clear from the start. You are coming in here insulting this space and the men in it, just like InsanityBytes. Keep it up and you will be spoken to like she was. your choice. But I won’t sit here and listen to tear us down without responding. So, if you persist and I call you a cunt, you can’t claim to be set upon by the feral, angry men here. You will have invited it due to your own nastiness. Make a choice and live with it. Put more simply, “You started… Read more »

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Dear “Intelligence,”

Remember what I said about culling obvious trolls and drive bys?

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Intelligence is Insanity. Look at how her thoughts are flowing and expressed. Like overly spicy Mexican food diarrhea. It only took a couple of posts before the name calling and belittlement began.

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@SFC Ton, Cannot tell them a damn thing. It’s their 1st tattoo or 1st commissioned art work yet they are the experts on every aspect. Her post reeks of entitlement for respect and experience she has not earned. She has literally only dabbled in tattoos, but then presents herself as some sort of old hand with them, like she’s covered in them. The real kicker for me was NO acknowledgement that the second shop warned her against the tattoo for basically the SAME reasons as DAN did. I could have accepted a, “Well, okay, maybe he had a point, but… Read more »

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Intelligence on is not the iguana, intelligence on IS insanity22.

Who posts like this:
“Di dum dum di dum”

And then insanity22 insert her say.

Then
“Di dum dum di dum”

And then insanity22 insert her say.

It’s the “QUOTATION “.

So, thhhhere.

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are you telling me that people can change handles here? don’t insult my lntelligence

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And let the trolling commence

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SCENE – INSIDE INSANITY’S SECRET LAIR IN A STORE ROOM AT BED, BATH and BEYOND Insanity is sitting at her desk (really a large box of loofah sponges from South Africa), reading her laptop, her cold, hard face glowing blue in the dark space. Her eyes grow wide, then narrow in rage and frustration. “Curses!” She jumps up, knocking her laptop to the floor. Her pointed black hat flies off her head, rolls away. “Mr. T suspects my TRUE IDENTITY!” “Perhaps the sunshine and wine references were,/i> a bit of a giveaway,” said Mandrake, her iguana familiar. “Shut up!” “I’m… Read more »

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Intelligence vs Insanitybites. Binary or BiPolar. Same harpy drivel. Why would she want to be the girl reporter in the Steelers locker room? Just can’t stand guys having fun.

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@KFG “That’s a practical matter for ensemble playing, just as right handed spear wielding is a practical matter for forming a phalanx.” What would handedness matter in a bluegrass or celtic ensemble? (I wish I could remember the name of the gal who is playing violin over electronica…damn, it’s on the tip of my tongue, as she’s good, and a hotty, to boot…) Likening a chair askew in an orchestra to a void in a military formation’s defense isn’t the best correlation, but I understand your point. The whole rigamarole of swapping violins provided a valuable lesson at a valuable… Read more »

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Intelligence / insanity
“And you clowns wonder why females and alphas will have nothing to do with”

5. Etymology Hate

Hater: Your definition of an alpha male is false. In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is leader of the pack, not a cad/badboy/jerk who pumps and dumps women.

Isn’t it just like a nerd to get hysterical over the appropriation of a narrow-sense scientific term to conveniently illustrate broader truths about men and women.

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“are you telling me that people can change handles here? don’t insult my lntelligence”

What you’re saying is incriminating evidence that you ARE
Insanity22

Yes. Who else better at “change handle “.

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@ scribblerg Hard love, my brother, same as I gave you when you first appeared here. And now you feign to lecture me? Silly. “But I won’t sit here and listen to tear us down without responding.” The only reason that I write here *with the intention of getting you to think for yourself* is that you might become conscious enough to respond. Where are all the other zombies not responding to anything, at all? So, if you persist and I call you a cunt, – I love being called a cunt. you can’t claim to be set upon by… Read more »

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@kfg
I am Chokmah.

Yes, you are the arbiter. What about the ideas, gatekeeper?

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