Adaptations – Part I

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Prior to the post-Sexual Revolution era men adapted to their socio-sexual and relational realities based on a pre-acknowledged burden of performance. I’ve outlined the expectations of this period in The Second Set of Books,

[…] when men transition from their comfortable blue pill perspective into the harsh reality that the red pill represents, the experience is a lot like Ball discovering that the set of books (the set of rules) he’d believed everyone was using wasn’t so. Likewise, men who’ve been conditioned since birth to believe that women were using a common set of rules – a set where certain expectations and mutual exchange were understood – were in fact using their own set. Furthermore these men ‘just didn’t get it’ that they should’ve known all along that women, as well as men’s feminization conditioning, were founded in a second set of books.

During the eras prior to the Sexual Revolution that first set of books was more or less an established ideal. Men were every bit as idealistic as they are today, but the plan towards achieving that ideal (if it was in fact achievable) was preset for them. Even the worst of fathers (or parents) still had the expectations that their sons and daughters would follow that old-order rule set as they had done.

For men a greater provisioning was expected, but that provisioning was an integral aspect of a man’s Alpha appeal. The burden of performance was part of a man’s Alpha mindset or was at least partly paired with it.

The danger in that mindset was that a man’s identity tended to be caught up with what he did (usually a career) in order to satisfy that performance burden. Thus when a man lost his job, not only was he unable to provide and meet his performance expectations in his marriage, he also lost a part of his identity. Needless to say this dynamic helped incentivize men to get back on the horse and get back to his identity and his wife’s esteem (even if it was really her necessity that kept her involved with him).

A lot of romanticization revolves around the times prior to the Sexual Revolution as if they were some golden eras when men and women knew their roles and the influence of Hypergamy was marginalized to the point that society was a better place than the place we find ourselves in today. And while it’s undeniable that cultural shifts since the sexual revolution have feminized and bastardized those old-order social contracts, men will always adapt to those new conditions in order to effect their sexual strategies.

There’s a lot of nostalgia for these idealized periods in the manosphere at the moment; seemingly more so as its members mature past their “gaming” years and begin to feel a want for something more substantial. Men are the true romantics of the sexes so it’s no great surprise that their romantic / idealistic concept of love would run towards romanticizing a hopeful return to what they imagine these eras were like.

It’s kind of an interesting counter to how feminism and the Feminine Imperative paints these eras – rather than some idyllic place where women appreciated men, feminists exaggerate and deride these times as oppressive; the sexual revolution akin to the Jews leaving Egypt. What both fail to grasp is the realities of these eras were still just as susceptible to human nature – the human nature described by what we call Red Pill awareness – and both sexes adapted to the social environments of the times to effect their natures.

Condoms were widely available in the 1940’s and men painstakingly painted half-nude pinup girls on the noses of their bombers. Women too adapted to that environment; from What Lies Beneath:

two books by John Costello; ‘Virtue Under Fire’ and ‘Love, Sex, and War’ in which all too much of the above female psychology manifested itself;

“Of the 5.3 million British infants delivered between 1939 and 1945, over a third were illegitimate – and this wartime phenomenon was not confined to any one section of society. The babies that were born out-of-wedlock belonged to every age group of mother, concluded one social researcher:

Some were adolescent girls who had drifted away from homes which offered neither guidance nor warmth and security. Still others were women with husbands on war service, who had been unable to bear the loneliness of separation. There were decent and serious, superficial and flighty, irresponsible and incorrigible girls among them. There were some who had formed serious attachments and hoped to marry. There were others who had a single lapse, often under the influence of drink. There were, too, the ‘good-time girls’ who thrived on the presence of well-paid servicemen from overseas, and semi-prostitutes with little moral restraint. But for the war many of these girls, whatever their type, would never have had illegitimate children. (pp. 276-277)”

and;

“Neither British nor American statistics, which indicate that wartime promiscuity reached its peak in the final stages of the war, take account of the number of irregularly conceived pregnancies that were terminated illegally. Abortionists appear to have been in great demand during the war. One official British estimate suggests that one in five of all pregnancies was ended in this way, and the equivalent rate for the United States indicates that the total number of abortions for the war years could well have been over a million.

These projections are at best merely a hypothetical barometer of World War II’s tremendous stimulus to extra-marital sexual activity. The highest recorded rate of illegitimate births was not among teenage girls, as might have been expected. Both British and American records indicate that women between twenty and thirty gave birth to nearly double the number of pre-war illegitimate children. Since it appears that the more mature women were the ones most encouraged by the relaxed morals of wartime to ‘enjoy’ themselves, it may be surmised that considerations of fidelity were no great restraint on the urge of the older married woman to participate in the general rise in wartime sexual promiscuity. (pp. 277-278)”

Women of the “greatest generation” were still women, and Hypergamy, just like today, didn’t care then either. Dalrock made a fantastic observation in a post once, and I regret I don’t have the link on hand, but paraphrasing he said “Every generation in bygone eras dated differently than the ones before it. Your parents dated in a social condition that was very different than your grandparent or their parents. No one in this generation is going to date like they did on Happy Days.” I think it’s important we don’t lose sight of this, but it’s also important to consider that in all those eras men and women’s sexual strategies remained an underlying influence for them. All that changed was both sexes adapted to the conditions of the times to effect them.

Post-Sexual Revolution Adaptation – The ‘Free Love’ Era

While there’s a lot to criticize about the Baby Boomer generation, one needs to consider the societal conditions that produced them. Egalitarian equalism combined with ubiquitous (female controlled) hormonal birth control and then mixed with blank-slate social constructivism made for a very effective environment in which both sexes sexual strategies could, theoretically, flourish.

Women’s control of their Hypergamous influences, not to mention the opportunities to fully optimize it, was unfettered by moral or social constraints for the first time in history. For men the idea of a ‘Free Love’ social order was appealing because it promised optimization of their sexual strategy – unlimited access to unlimited sexuality.

The new Free Love paradigm was based on a presumption of non-exclusivity, but more so it was based on an implied condition of non-possessiveness. Men adapted to this paradigm as might have been expected, but what they didn’t consider is that in this state their eventual cuckoldry (either proactively or reactively) amounted to women’s optimizing their own Hypergamous impulses.

The social contract of  Free Love played to the base sexual wants of permissive variety for men, or at least it implied a promised potential for it. Furthermore, and more importantly, Free Love implied this promise free from a burden of performance. It was “free” love, tenuously based on intrinsic personal qualities on the inside to make him lovable – not the visceral physical realities that inspired arousal nor the rigorous status and provisioning performance burdens that had characterized the intersexual landscape prior.

It should be mentioned that ‘free love’ also played to men’s idealistic concept of love in that freedom from a performance-based love. The equalist all’s-the-same environment was predicated on the idea that love was a mutually agreed dynamic, free from the foundational, sexual strategy realities both sexes applied to love. Thus men’s idealism predisposed them to being hopeful of a performance free love-for-love’s-sake being reciprocated by the women of the age of Aquarius.

That’s how the social contract looked in the advertising, so it’s hardly surprising that (Beta) men eagerly adapted to this new sexual landscape; going along to get along (or along to get laid) in a way that would seem too good to be true to prior generations. And thus their belief set adapted to the sexual strategy that, hopefully, would pay off for them in this new social condition.

For women, though not fully realized at the time, this Free Love social restructuring represented a license for optimizing Hypergamy unimpeded by moral restraint and later unlimited (or at least marginalized) by men’s provisional support. For the first time in history women could largely explore a Sandbergian plan for Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks and, at least figuratively, they could do so at their leisure.

The problem inherent in the Free Love paradigm was that it was based on a mutual understanding that men and women were functional equals, and as such a mutual trust that either sex would hold the other’s best interests as their own. That basis of trust that either sex was rationally on the same page with regard to their sexual strategies is what set the conditions for the consequent generations to come.

This trust on the part of men was that these “equal” women would honor the presumption that it was “who” they were rather than what they represented to their sexual strategy at the various phases of their maturity that would be the basis for women’s sexual selection of them.

In part two I’ll continue this exploration through the 70’s and into our contemporary socio-sexual environment.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

565 comments on “Adaptations – Part I

  1. In other words, the sex ratio has no impact on a man’s social status as sexually attractive or unattractive.

    No, it doesn’t. It impacts behaviors, not attractiveness.

    What it means is that in a low sex ratio setting, women perceive fewer attractive males, total, and therefore give in to what the *attractive* males want. So the less attractive males are left out.

    In a higher sex ratio setting, less attractive men are less likely to go without mates, due to the higher value men being snapped up into commitment, with the other women having to readjust their lenses — again the setting doesn’t feature promiscuity, so they can’t deploy that as a means to trying to secure commitment in this setting.

  2. France post WWI had massive death and casualty rates, here is a study on the sex ratios and observed behaviour.

    Marrying Up: The Role of Sex Ratio in Assortative Matching
    http://web.stanford.edu/~ranabr/marriage.pdf

    “Fewer men aged 20–29 remained single in regions with higher mortality postwar. We also find that military mortality had a negative effect on divorce rates for young adults: the proportion of divorcés among men and women aged 20–39 declined postwar in regions with higher mortality rates.”

    “Overall, we find that the decrease in sex ratio induced by war-related mortality allowed men postwar in regions with higher mortal- ity to marry better than they did prewar.”

    Interestingly.

    “We analyze the impact of male scarcity on the age gap between brides and grooms. We note that before the war men married women on average 3.8 years younger. We find that after the war, the age gap narrowed more in regions with higher mortality.”

  3. rugby11ljh,

    I was involved (very peripherally – I was off shore on DLG(N) 25 – just watching from the deck) in this little dust up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAerUJbn0cE

    I was there in March or April of ’66. The video doesn’t do it justice. The guns were firing at an overall rate of 1 or 2 a second. Every 4th of July I’m reminded of it. I thought at the time. “the poor b’tards on the receiving end”.

    When I got out there was lots of pussy. Free Love was in the air. Might have been in the food and water too.

    I knew lots of guys back from the war. They were my mates. Very little talking about what was done. Just, ” ‘Nam?” “Yeah.”

  4. @ Tilikum

    “It’s likely that the only thing that stops the adaptations and rapidly allows human sexual politics (and by default ALL politics) to revert to their mean would be a loss of that technology.”

    The idea that our material and economic life conditions our cultural, ethical, political, and ideological life is the basic initial assumption behind Marxism. Make of that what you will.

  5. “..,the basic initial assumption behind Marxism. Make of that what you will.”

    And basic assumption behind Smith, and Hobbes, Hayak, Voltaire, etc, etc.

  6. @Rollo

    Thanks, as always, for your insightful article.

    I wonder if you are aware of the writings of Daniel Amneus. I discovered him because somebody posted a link in one of the recent RoK articles.

    I surmise that Amneus should be at least interesting to you because he (also) writes about patriarchy/matriarchy from an evolutionary perspective. To wit, he states that matriarchy is the default sexual/political configuration among mammals, that patriarchy is only recently been “grafted” upon the female domain of reproduction among humans, and that is what has given us a species a massive advantage among animals.

    Interestingly, he traces the abundance of social pathologies among negroes to the fact that negro females have never completely abandoned matriarchy. To me that is so fundamental an observation that it would justify by itself seeing them as a species apart.
    About females in general he states that they (paraphrasing) “like the matriarchal way of life which generates ghetto conditions (as in black USA) but prefer to live in orderly and clean places evidently generated by patriarchy”.

    Another profound observation he makes about matriarchy (what feminism is all about) is that if causes the species to devolve to the primitive conditions of social organization found among cattle, thus a massive pushback in direction Patriarchy is in order if our species is to retain it’s comparative advantage over animals.

    Wondering what you’d have to say about Amneus’ writings.

  7. @Divided Line

    Any study of human nature will properly identify the issues. As well, any understanding of human nature will give you the limited possible outcomes in human governance (and lets be honest, there are only 4-5) that we enjoy.

    Marxism of course being the collective nurturing and “X” style of management that never works…for long.

    In open systems with individuals, the balance of power ebbs and flows. Best to just stay an individual with power inside of whatever system you occupy.

  8. @Dawg

    Interesting . . . .Was thinking about Nassim Talebs ‘Black Swan’ – (The Impact of the highly Improbable)

    . . . . relative to ‘Patriarchy’, The Enlightenment, Individualism and ‘Athens and The Greek Miracle’ . . etc . . . . . as I internalized Rollo’s essay this weekend.

    . . . . . . .“Numberless are the world’s wonders, but none
    More wonderful than man” . . . . . . Sophocles – circa 425

  9. . . . . “Another profound observation he makes about matriarchy (what feminism is all about) is that if causes the species to devolve to the primitive conditions of social organization found among cattle, thus a massive pushback in direction Patriarchy is in order if our species is to retain it’s comparative advantage over animals.”

    . . . man kinds nature is tribalism, collectivism where Patriarchy and order is the exception not the rule. . . . .

  10. 70’sAntiHero – “…man kinds nature is tribalism…”

    Only in physical environments where basic survival is relatively easy to attain and maintain and long term planning is not an absolute necessity. It’s one thing for mother nature to change the menu based on the seasons, it’s another entirely when mother nature effectively closes the food bank for half the year.

  11. @ Badpainter

    . . . . Fair enough. . . . however, it is hard to argue against, as a consequence of our social-political culture and the massive wealth re-distribution that is the mainstay of Government largess of Western nations. . . . .

    . . . . and the Post-Modern ‘tearing down’ (of the Enlightenment) and of white anglos saxon males or post renaissance and traditional european cultures . . . . .

    . . . . the observable trend is to know where it’s going. . . . . . . . . charity is the sovereign of the affluent . . .

    Capitalism (Pure not Crony) – is the unequal creation of wealth . . . .

    Socialism is the equal redistribution of shabby . . . . .

    Women’s hypergamy is darwinian . . . an Imperative. . . the march towards a devolved primate existence continues. . . .

  12. @DividedLine – You do two things wrong in your comment about materialism and marxism:

    1. You don’t actually account for the history of materialism. Hegel’s dialectical materialism was adopted by Marx and Engels as a key mechanism that drove society forward. In fact, they reduced society to materialistic concerns – something capitalists like Adam Smith never did.

    The wheels of history were supposedly grinding away beyond the control of any of us directly, and the problems of capital that Marx also observed incorrectly were to bring us to a state where the proletariat rose up against their exploiters. Marx formalized this into “scientific socialism” and used this “axiom” to reason from, predicting all kinds of social outcomes that never materialized. Like the emergence of a middle class in the west, or the revolution that sputtered in Europe after WWI.

    2. Marx’s reductionist materialism was rejected by the “Frankfurt School” Marxists who re-wrote Marxist ideology after the failure of the post WWI revolution in Europe. This was a huge foodfight in Communist, socialist and Marxist circles, as was their fight with second and third wave feminists. The extension of Marx’s ideas to “culture”, the basis of Grasmcian counter-hegemony, was an outright refutation of Marx’s reductionist materialistic thinking, not a validation of it. It turned Marxism into a hash of incoherent nonsense. The only reason the left has unified is due to “social justice theory” a la John Rawls, as he permits the same policies but with a much simpler moral model of what is just, but still allows for class and materialism to dominate. Call it Marxism lite – the metaphysics are much easier to grasp in social justice than in they are in Marx’s blatherings. I spent two months trying to understand “alienation” before I recognized it was nonsense – this seems to be Marx’s favorite trick and real skill. Making nothing seem like something.

    Still and all, a “materialist” lens of social analysis is quite helpful for understanding social change. I often recommend Theodore Draper’s A Struggle for Power: The American Revolution to people who only see the American Revolution in ideological terms, as it’s probably the best “materialist” history of the time and is told almost completely in the writings/words of the major players of the day. It’s perhaps the best book on the American Revolution I’ve ever read. Yet it didn’t make me become a Marxist.

    My interest and respect for materialistic analyses do not require me to buy one ounce of Marx’s debunked, inconsistent horseshit. In fact, my recent revisitation of Adam Smith’s work on man’s moral and economic nature has convinced me he had a far better understanding of the nature of man and economics.

    it’s also interesting to consider Marx’s personal life and the circumstances of Prussia and Europe at the time. His focus on class was natural due to the real aristocracies of Europe – royalty. Not just a moneyed elite, but an actual political class that was given magical status in society. This needed to be destroyed – the project was well under way before Marx wet his pants over it.

    The biggest favor I ever did myself was to read a number of Marx’s works on my own. I laughed at him eventually, literally. He takes himself so fucking seriously but is basically mentally masturbating most of the time. Fyi, I decided to use a little leftist revenge on him and never returned the library books, and never paid the fines either, contesting them and having them waived. Using the bureaucracy to prevent Marx’s ideas from being read by others was one of my finest moments, lol.

    It’s best to see Marxism as a spasm of revolutionary fervor against atrophied and exploitative aristocrats in Europe. It took different shapes in different societies. One of the interesting aspects is how many Jews adopted it. Some see evil here – revealing their anti-semitism. Jews were always outside of these formal power structures, while serving them and mingling. But they would naturally want to destroy the aristocracies of old Europe. They also were always more highly educated and part of civil society so they would be tuned into the political philosophies of revolt in ways other groups would not be.

    Funny, Marx converted from Judaism, and became a Protestant. Yet he made horrific anti-semitic statements many times in his writings and publicly. One of his ideas was that the bourgeois was the natural habitat of the Jew, as a merchant and money lender, and that they were easily bought off by the aristocracy to enforce order on the proletariat. Talk about “self-hating”…Marx was fucked in the head.

    He was also a complete scumbag in his personal life. He impregnated a servant of his but refused to acknowledge his paternity for his entire life. He was a horrible provider, and in fact was a mooch, often living as an adult off of the generosity of Engels, who came from a family of means. Growing up where he did, with his personal peccadilloes, is it any wonder he turned his inchoate rage into a political screed?

    Socialism predated Marx, folks – he merely turned it into “science”. It may have been no better than Lysenkoism, but don’t dare say that to today’s soft leftist, they will sniff and make soporific statements that seek to somehow preserve a place of honor for Marx.

    After all, Marx is presented as one of the three “grandfathers of sociology” to every single student who takes Sociology 101 in the west – we can’t have it also be known that everything he believed turned out to be wrong, or at best fanciful, can we?

  13. @All – Correction, Marx predicted that the working class would become poorer and poorer – the emergence of a strong middle class obviated everything Marx believed.

  14. I’ve been taking-in a lot of information lately regarding the temperance movement. My notion of our current social condition is in the process of taking on a new understanding, given that the “women’s power” movement had it’s true roots long before any bras were burned.

    The rural nature of the movement, and the largely female base, is of interest. But, most fascinating is the evolution of politics that was happening as a result: mudslinging and attack rhetoric were becoming standard practice, and “emotional” campaigns were being pioneered to sculpt public opinion.

    Also interesting is the stretch of time over which the temperance movement was happening. It had started pre-civil war, eventually “won”, then ultimately “lost”, as it was repealed in 1933.

    Seeing the whole over-50-years temperance progression is quite fascinating in this context of sexual adaptation.

    I can’t help but to see the military industrial complex firing up, too, and staying a monster force since the taxation of alcohol to fund the civil war: the outlawing of the product, then the consequent spike in sales after repeal (and thus a resultant spike in tax revenue). Then, in the next decade, the U.S. enters into another giant war? With 10 years of alcohol tax surplus to fund the campaign?

    I’m already trying to imagine the war the U.S. will fund from the tax revenues of marijuana.

    I’m all for huge wars, these days, given the overpopulated nature of our planet. But, large numbers of men dying and leaving behind a higher woman ratio?

    Bonus!

    All joking aside, I heard a late-night broadcast on NPR of a BBC simulcast a few years back that made my blood run cold. The correspondent was in China interviewing men on the current social conditions there. One particular man he interviewed regarding the high number of men and the low number of women there was clearly angry. When pressed by the interviewer with the question: “What can be done about it?”, the Chinese man answered simply:
    “Have a war.”

    When the BBC interviewer replied,
    “Have a war? You can’t be serious. Have a war with who?”

    The Chinese man answered firmly:
    “Doesn’t matter.”

    How’s that for an unsettling M/F ratio?

  15. In other words, its impact is marginal at best.

    I wouldn’t say that. The impact is substantial in terms of whether the culture is one that is centered on early and durable marriage, or one that is centered on promiscuity and later and less stable marriage. That’s a pretty big difference. If the concern is “which system is it easier for the average guy to get laid under”, then the impact may be marginal (he’s likely slightly better off under the high sex ratio setting because he will more easily find a mate to marry, but he won’t have access to sex-on-tap in either scenario), but that isn’t the only, or even the main, lens, in my view.

  16. Your Mom’s so classless, she could be a Marxist Utopia.

    (that’s all I got guys, nothing constructive to contribute lol)

  17. Adaptations indeed. This is how I see the Red Pill in action in my life, as a way to motivate me to adapt instead of to admit defeat and collapse in a puddle.

    One of the reasons I get super aggravated at women who come here (not other places in my life) is that this is the one place where I know other men will admit how difficult and challenging it is being a man. Here I can actually discuss whether I want to shoulder the “burden of performance” or not without being shamed. Here I get to discuss what it’s really like to be in a non-stop, high stakes competition that I can’t just opt out of by having a baby. In fact, reaching my goal of reproduction means a loss of power, freedom and treasure in today’s society. I can also talk about what it’s like to lose and win in the social games going on all around me.

    I can talk about the disillusionment and the actual struggle of shaking off an ancient “set of books” that if followed by me lead to certain misery. It’s really not unlike Neo’s transformation in the Matrix, hence why none of us care if some people think the “Red Pill” analogy is corny. We get that you see no honor in what we are doing here, and cannot possibly acknowledge how crucial this all is for each man here on a deeply personal level. We are fighting for our fucking lives here, but the gurlz just wanna have fun!

    I can also share field reports on what it’s like to adapt. It’s fucking hard. I still feel very empty inside at times. I feel like someone who’s left a cult, but is still living on the premises and under the authority of the cult leaders. Sure, there is a revolution of sorts brewing, and I’m part of it. And yes, they do not have anything like complete control, but still, I feel like an insurgent. Running amok and breaking shit.

    Being part of something bigger than myself has always been a huge part of being a man for me, and that need isn’t filled by sex or clubs etc. I’m still searching for my “gang” I guess. I’ll keep it up. I’d probably be one of the first guys to join any real non-leftist revolution in this country as I might actually feel like I belonged there instead of skulking around trying to get as much pussy as possible and avoiding the insanity of this collapsing social wasteland.

    Yikes, that’s some dark shit to start the week on…

  18. More off-topic: below is an interesting graph which was published in a comment 2 years ago:

    I think Rollo’s graph is more accurate.

    That one puts the cross too early (25 — it’s more like 30ish), and the male curve should probably be shifted to the right, slightly. The female curve also peaks too early (17?) — I’d say 19-22 is the peak range for females. But directionally, it’s fine, just needs some tweaks.

  19. “Agreeableness and humility in men has been associated with a negative predictor of sex partners.”

    I was talking to one of my orbiters on Saturday She was asking my advice on men.

    She’s got a dude that has been texting her a lot, “Hey beautiful” “How was your day?” “Did you make it home safe?”

    Gag.

    “I don’t know what this guy wants!”
    “Is he interested?!”
    “Is he just a friend!?”
    “What’s his deal?!”
    “Why are men so timid?!”
    “Does he not have a backbone at all?!”
    “Is he expecting me to make the first move?!”
    “I ask him what he wants to do, and he just says “whatever you want to do”???”
    “Why is he so agreeable?!”

    Of course she asks, “Why can’t he be more like you???”

    lol

    Most men JUST DON”T GET IT.

  20. The impact is substantial in terms of whether the culture is one that is centered on early and durable marriage, or one that is centered on promiscuity and later and less stable marriage. That’s a pretty big difference.

    Except the sex ratio has no effect on that either. The US has a high sex ratio. Ukraine, on the other hand, has a low one, in fact it’s one of the lowest in the world. Yet the overall trends are the same in both places: unstable and delayed marriages, widespread promiscuity, complaints about male underperformance etc. Hell, China has a very high sex ratio, and it’s experiencing many of the same trends as well, such as louder complaints about “leftover women” or so I’ve heard (i.e. single women who jumped off the carouse too late and are now on a path towards spinsterhood).

    If the concern is “which system is it easier for the average guy to get laid under”, then the impact may be marginal, but that isn’t the only, or even the main, lens, in my view.

    What’s the main lens then?

  21. I’m all for huge wars, these days, given the overpopulated nature of our planet. But, large numbers of men dying and leaving behind a higher woman ratio?

    Bonus!

    It wouldn’t matter much. The US could lose 50 million of its male population tomorrow, and women would still whine and moan that there are too many icky betas and omegas around them. Plus alphas are generally bigger risk-takers, so they’d suffer disproportionately large losses in any armed conflict.

  22. “I don’t think democracy can work. The U.S. was really an experiment in democracy and we have the results – it’s failed. People will not restrain themselves from using the power of the state to steal other people’s shit. No matter how hard the founders of the govt try to prevent govt from having that power, people will not restrain themselves.

    “It’s because most people are fucking idiots and have no business making serious decisions about our laws, national strategy on the world stage or economics in the first place, which is a fatal flaw in our system.”

    Democracy only works among honorable men subscribing to and living out a Judeo-Christian ethic. The Founding Fathers and deTocqueville were clear on this: John Adams in selling the new proposed Constitution to a skeptical set of newly independent colonists, said the American model of constitutional federal republic was fit only for a “moral people, it is wholly unfit for any other.”

    deTocqueville: “America is great because it is good.” IOW, America’s greatness lay in her morality and ethics, and in that of her people.

  23. One of the reasons I get super aggravated at women who come here (not other places in my life) is that this is the one place where I know other men will admit how difficult and challenging it is being a man. Here I can actually discuss whether I want to shoulder the “burden of performance” or not without being shamed. Here I get to discuss what it’s really like to be in a non-stop, high stakes competition that I can’t just opt out of by having a baby. In fact, reaching my goal of reproduction means a loss of power, freedom and treasure in today’s society. I can also talk about what it’s like to lose and win in the social games going on all around me.

    Here’s a funny thing: the entire ‘sphere probably consists of nothing more than 30 blogs, 10 websites, 20 forums and maybe a bunch of chatrooms. These are literally the only public places on the entire planet where it’s possible to discuss the truth about sex differences and the mating market without being expected to prioritize female viewpoints and interests.

    And even here we regularly see a bunch of women and men showing up and complaining that the discussions here aren’t balanced enough, that women don’t have enough of a voice, that the arguments aren’t nuanced enough, that male commenters are too angry etc.

    These people have almost the entire planet at their disposal. Almost every single media outlet panders to them in every conceivable way. Yet some of them are angry that roughly 0.0001% of online public venues refuse to pander to them.

    It’s sort of bizarre when you think about it.

  24. @scribblerg @hullenhund2

    I agree this a sort of boys club, all though a relative newbie,I feel free to share.

    I take great solace in the fact that because of the ‘man-o -shpere’ with intellectually based thinking – primarily TRM – and Evo/psych and Roissy – understanding and appreciation of Western thought woven in with sardonic man humor. . . .

    Post divorce 8 years – and the fact that I survived, a minimum of child alienation and financial decline (off coarse I always didn’t think so) . . . I have been able to slowly build my world back, to an extent, to my liking . . . it took time and support. . .

    Life is inherently a risk and tragic . . . living long enough tells you so. . . . .

    Sometimes its hard to find meaning in the swamp of nihilism. . . .

    . . . but if you are a man that values being in shape and acts upon it, thoughtful & knowing, appreciate classical beauty and has a personality and not afraid to show it. . . . you stand out and are inevitably alpha of a certain kind . . . .

    1. @Vulpine
      “Have a war”

      “With who? Doesn’t matter…”
      That’s chilling do you know that China had a 80 million person death from a famine the world didn’t know about for almost 40yrs?
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10600969

      @scribblerg
      “is that this is the one place where I know other men will admit how difficult and challenging it is being a man.”
      Yes it is arguably the most needed place.
      “I can also share field reports on what it’s like to adapt. It’s fucking hard.”
      It is

      @caveclown
      “Most men JUST DON”T GET IT.”
      Used to be one of them…

      @thedeti
      http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo3612682.html
      Good point

      @hullenhund2
      “Here’s a funny thing: the entire ‘sphere probably consists of nothing more than 30 blogs, 10 websites, 20 forums and maybe a bunch of chatrooms. These are literally the only public places on the entire planet where it’s possible to discuss the truth about sex differences and the mating market without being expected to prioritize female viewpoints and interests.”
      What’s more interesting is why…

      @70’sAntihero
      “. . it took time and support. . .”
      That’s more humble to think about.
      “Life is inherently a risk and tragic . . . living long enough tells you so. . . . .”
      Wouldn’t be worth it any other way.
      “. . . but if you are a man that values being in shape and acts upon it, thoughtful & knowing, appreciate classical beauty and has a personality and not afraid to show it. . . . you stand out and are inevitably alpha of a certain kind . . . .”
      This is something I would need your help from. Yesterday I got to sit down and speak with a goo friend in person. He was pointing out my errors an we went over a lot of red pill we where discussing coping skills and he was telling me about the beauty in being true to myself to the core. He went over selling out but I don’t fully understand what that means? I know in a way it’s violating ones principles but I don’t think I was ever able to fully build any of those?
      What’s your take on selling out?

  25. ““Most men JUST DON”T GET IT.”
    Used to be one of them…”

    rugby,

    I’ll be the first to admit, sometimes I still don’t get it.

    Learn and improve, rinse and repeat.

  26. @HH —

    As I wrote above, there are multiple factors involved. The sex ratio is not the only one, but it is one of many. There are other factors that also play into things. What I think ought to be resisted is the idea that either an explanation is totally explanatory in a reductive sense, or it is simply wrong. Things are more complex than that. And even within the sex ratio itself as its own factor, you really need to drill down into the operative sex ratio, which is the one for people in the mating/marrying age bands and who are actually “in the market”, and not out of the market due to various factors like opting out, addiction, unattractiveness and so on. But, again, it’s one factor. It isn’t the only one, and it needs to be taken into account together with other factors. Feel free to consider it a “marginal” factor if you wish — that’s fine. It is still a factor, however, as numerous studies have documented.

  27. rugby11ljh – “What’s your take on selling out?”

    I know you didn’t ask me but…

    Selling out is just trading your agency, and self respect out for money/status/pussy/whatever. You’re untrue to own nature and desires which you conceal or suppress. You do this because you’ve believe or have been conditioned to believe that if you act purely on your own nature, motivated by your own desires then you will likely lose access to money/status/pussy/whatever. Most bluepill AFCs have sold out for the trinket of moral acceptability, that is they believe by selling out they can gain the trust and esteem of others. In doing so to maintain the monthly payments on that trust and esteem they have to trade in their self respect and personal agency their decisions and choices and tastes and opinions are circumscribed by the whims of others they seek to impress.

    I don’t know what you friend said exactly but I can hear him saying either the new you is an untrue version and thus selling out in the process of becoming a pussy beggar, or maybe just a asshole. Or he’s saying always demand the highest possible price and accept nothing less, in other words don’t become something for a woman, make her become for you.

    1. @Caveclown
      “Learn and improve, rinse and repeat.”
      Don’t wish it where easier wish you where better…

      description
      Do better we must
      http://www.returnofkings.com/27793/6-powerful-passages-from-meditations-by-marcus-aurelius

      @Badpainter
      “You’re untrue to own nature and desires which you conceal or suppress.”
      Spot on I’ve done that a huge portion of my life.
      “In doing so to maintain the monthly payments on that trust and esteem they have to trade in their self respect and personal agency their decisions and choices and tastes and opinions are circumscribed by the whims of others they seek to impress.”
      Fuck…
      “Or he’s saying always demand the highest possible price and accept nothing less, in other words don’t become something for a woman, make her become for you.”
      I think it was the later. Man I am so far from where I need to be. At the moment I am here and will do my best with the time I have.
      Looked this up
      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out
      Maybe a huge appeal to the redpill isn’t selling out but more about giving out. That’s hard to find these days sincerely. For me my intentions are now almost all redpill focused but I do have a huge amount of blue pill habits that creep up in the most unfortunate moments. Went out with a girl I spoke with at a cafe in Washington, D.C. And we spoke about art and comics she translates them from Japanese to French and I took her to a local comic shop. We exchanged info but I was handling it so bad looking back I need to keep making mistakes that remind me why I change behaviors to better myself.
      When my friend mentioned be careful not to sell out. I didn’t fully understand so thanks for clarifying. My old self is gone but the remnants of his habits are very much present. Maybe me pointing out a shit test which I think I was doing when he said remember not to “Sell out”
      I am no longer talking as much as listening.
      Most of my Blue Pill omega days where coping against habits where just chronic Mal adaptive coping mechanism that only did disservice to me and cause great harm in social situations I entered. I am only responsible for my actions.
      Internalizing the Wonder of how the FI. Literally kept trying to kill me is a relief. I am not special I am not unique even on a biological level and I certainly am aware of how disposable I am. What really makes me happy is climbing out by the water falls near DC and being open to how relevant the Redpill is. It’s a deep form of mediation that exemplifies social interactions without being spoken of socially or openly.
      I am calm more than ever and was taking a shower last evening and laughed at how silly at 27 I have treated myself. I have internalized the pain and criticism of others. I have tried to kill every part of myself that is masculine and that never spoke up for itself.

      “Everyone has a moment in history which belongs particularly to him. It is the moment when his emotions achieve their most powerful sway over him, and afterward when you say to this person “the world today” or “life” or “reality” he will assume that you mean this moment, even if it is fifty years past. The world, through his unleashed emotions, imprinted itself upon him, and he carries the stamp of that passing moment forever.
      John Knowles, A Separate Peace”
      http://classroom.rfisd.net/users/0192/A%20Separate%20Peace%20by%20John%20Knowles-Full%20Text.pdf

  28. scribblerg
    June 15th, 2015 at 10:37 am

    It’s best to see Marxism as a spasm of revolutionary fervor against atrophied and exploitative aristocrats in Europe. It took different shapes in different societies. One of the interesting aspects is how many Jews adopted it. Some see evil here – revealing their anti-semitism. Jews were always outside of these formal power structures, while serving them and mingling. But they would naturally want to destroy the aristocracies of old Europe. They also were always more highly educated and part of civil society so they would be tuned into the political philosophies of revolt in ways other groups would not be.

    One of the things you leave out – and it is hard to see from outside the culture – is that Jewish society is at heart a collectivist society with a profit motive overlay.

    It works because Jews are a small, cohesive, and genetically related (in Europe) group. They never stopped being at heart a tribal group. In fact there are still privileged tribes among the Jews.

    The society is also matriarchal. Probably necessity given all the pogroms that were visited on them for about 800 or 1,000 years.

    And funny enough all the things done to dis-advantage them only helped strengthen them. Selection pressure drove the genetics towards more brain power. Honest work was denied them. That left banking….. And what is going on now is in fact the Banker’s Revenge. It will come a cropper. But not before the infliction of significant pain.

    http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/cochran/overclocking.html

  29. One other thing to keep in mind. In the late 50s early 60s Jewish men were the most promiscuous. Average “n” being 12. So the loose morals charge was probably correct. But you kill off enough men and as we all know it is “girls gone wild”. What else does it say? The women probably rode the carousel before marriage. And marriage was later.

    But what the women did was more or less hidden. As women used to prefer in the wider culture. Hypergamy was not open. Then.

  30. M Simon
    June 15th, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    And what does an average “n” of 12 mean in terms of actuality given 80% Beta?

    If the Betas got one the Alphas averaged 56. If the Betas averaged two the Alphas got 53.

  31. Vulpine
    June 15th, 2015 at 10:45 am

    The fact that the Temperance movement was rural was very significant. Politically.

    Rural is Right. Cities are Left. I wrote something on that quite a while back.

    A thermodynamic explanation of politics

    I’m told that page is screwed unless you have an ad blocker. I do. Which is why I had to be told.

  32. @ rugby11ljh

    Be glad your doing this at 27 and not 44.

    Don’t, or try to minimize your concern about “selling out.” My experience with concept comes from art school where all the students were very concerned about being sell outs. As a results most will never be artists by trade or even by passion because they fear the judgment of others if they dare make a buck in the process. I being a total bastard always said the greatest acclaim I could receive as an artist was a wad of cash. What that meant was work created by me for me was objectively valued by someone else.

    Selling out in my mind was subordinating my creativity to someone else’s vision. Fuck that. It’s why I don’t go about showing bad paintings even though the chosen few that have seen them to think I do good work. It’s why I do show sculptural work, which is where my real talent is, without regard for anyone’s opinion good or bad. And the only I opinions I value have a wad of cash attached.

    As this regards your situation, and mine, with the ladies you’re only selling out when you doing anything you don’t want to do because you fear losing her. You should always do, say and be what you want to do, say, and be. If that’s not enough then cut her loose and move on. If you fear losing a woman then you have already lost her. They smell fear, and smells sickening it like too much Aramis.

    Here’s some probably bad advice that is working for me. Be a chauvinist, but don’t be a dick about it. For example I focus on the fact that I am the man, I am bigger, stronger, have much greater grip strength, more testosterone, better impulse control, a knack for abstraction, usually 20-30 IQ points, not distracted by emotion, and usually 90 pounds and 8 inches over any woman I meet.** Thus I have no fear of their petty little qualifications as strong independent women. I only care about those things that make them women and how well the pull those off. I am tweaking my frame, both mentally and physically (posture, deliberate speaking, etc.) to emphasize that I am the man, and no woman is my equal, and I won’t apologize for that.

    **I actively avoid/ignore women taller than 5’8″, and who create a weight gap less than 80 pounds because I’m shallow like that.

  33. @Rugby

    ‘Selling Out’, outside the realm of artistic expression is some what ambiguous to me. . . . So I think to use it as some sort of guiding principle of integrity for self improvement is potentially dangerous. . . .

    Selling implies a commercial transaction and therefore legitimate. . . . A fair trade of VALUE for VALUE . . . . . .

    I’m a capitalist so profit isn’t a dirty word. . . .

    To me customer service, ultimately is what business is about and so I believe it has integrity. . . . street hustlers and snake oil salesmen need not apply. . . .

    “A trader lives not by looting, but by values. Both in matter and in spirit. A trader is a man who earns what he gets and does not give or take the unearned. . . .

    The trader principle demands that you sell, not your weakness to men’s stupidity, but your talent to their reason.” . . . . Ayn Rand

    I agree with Badpainter.

    So put it as a matter of least importance and don’t impose someone else’s possible judgment upon yourself and create undue pressure.

    Some times being true to yourself is making a few bucks.

    1. @M Simon
      Get a good price?
      Male 27 one word Performance

      Not so sure I would do that to myself.
      As far as N counts and alphas and betas. High school was the best place to learn and see obvious red pill truths that I willingly didn’t wanna admit when the truth. I feel in love with myself through chronic masturbation because I didn’t want to anger anyone with strong religious convictions. What price is the semen of the alpha compare to the beta? Is it just the fact that the alpha gets to penetrate the women that the semens value increases?
      Betas who keep their semen can learn allot of the power of what that holds. I just realized today that part of my mental anguish came from jerking off to appease the violent emotions of the women in my life. I never realized how much of a destructive habit that can become. I literally surrendered Frame to survive. Without understanding that was beta because it’s surrender the alpha fights though the battle and the women is the prize. I am changing slowly very slowly but I’ll get their. One thing about emotional misbalance is how to hold frame. Which is more confusing than being Conciouse about the burden of performance.

      Women says “help me with this” I used to say sure. Now it’s more “No thank you”

      I miss the Joy of animals and being silly in a cafe free way. May go out and build a tree house and rope swing again. Fuck just saw the film predestination and their is a great scene about time travel and human choice that represents the agony and euphoria of being male.
      It’s weird for me if I where to go back in time and avoid yes of blue pill shit I wouldn’t be here typing this now I would be out banging. Kinda makes me laugh at the ruthless violence the FI can do to a male in the world we live in.

      Trauma story (sharing though about the little I know about the world)

      Medical (work on high counts of semen in ball sack.)

      Psychological (Forgive myself for all the things I didn’t do yesterday)

      Social (Go out to Dances)

      Spiritual ( Profound solitude)

      Cognitive (Read things I first agree with than disagree with)

      Physical (food weights)

      Behavioral (Fashion)

      Spiritual (being in nature)

      Addressing secondary trauma self care. (Red pill blog TRM)

      @Badpainter

      “You should always do, say and be what you want to do, say, and be.”

      Well I only feel that way HERE. In the “Real world” I get attacked for that so I move on to new things. Maybe it’s just me not applying game well at all. Or resenting the burden of performance.

      “Be a chauvinist, but don’t be a dick about it…”

      Going to a dance now will do will do

      ” I am tweaking my frame, both mentally and physically (posture, deliberate speaking, etc.) to emphasize that I am the man”

      Being a man is being a provider. My sister get knocked up by this man who already has a wife and kid in Texas. Went to see my nephew yesterday and was thrilled at how much shit he may have to trudge through. As for me I can barely provide for myself my income is super fragile at the moment and insult applied for a job before this post. What a wonderful world.

      @70’sAntihero

      “So put it as a matter of least importance and don’t impose someone else’s possible judgment upon yourself and create undue pressure.”

      That’s what I use to only find in dogs. Not that’s its all their is but dogs have always protected me againts the rage of my fellow man or women. I can really only say that when someone asks if I am happy I usualy am with dogs or my grandparents or my nephew. But fuck now I am going to go paint something when I get a canvas. Life is beautiful

  34. “Women says “help me with this” I used to say sure. Now it’s more “No thank you””

    I got asked to use my pickup to haul rock for a girl’s new fire pit.

    My exact text response:

    “Hahahahahahaha”

    She sent a slightly bitchy response, can’t recall what it was. I ignored it.

    She invited me over that same night to help use the fire pit that I did not help with, plus she bought me beer, dinner, and smores.

    Oh, and she invited one of her girlfriends over because she figured I might like her. (I didn’t, hot…but weird)

    But her ex-boyfriend helped her with the rocks lol

  35. rugby11ljh – “Well I only feel that way HERE. In the ‘Real world’ I get attacked for that so I move on to new things.”

    I feel ya. But here’s the thing you should not be tolerating this. Fight back. If you being attacked, and you fight back the worst that can happen is those people never want to be around you. That’s not bad. I don’t know about you but I refuse to be around people who attack me. Those types are toxic. I’m sure you’ve heard the old line “it’s not all about you,” when you here shit like ask “who then is it about?” and demand an answer. Really the truth is if you fail to defend yourself then it will never be about you. If you are not all about you then what are you all about?

    Don’t fall into the trap of letting shit happen because fuckwits have good intentions. Intentions are meaningless unless accompanied by good results. Don’t allow shit because someone claims he/she has your best interests at heart. People like that only care about your interests in the context themselves, you don’t matter.

    Find a copy of Anthem by Ayn Rand. Read it twice, or as many times as it takes to internalize this section:

    _____________________________

    I am. I think. I will.

    My hands . . . My spirit . . . My sky . . . My forest . . . This earth of mine. . . . What must I say besides? These are the words. This is the answer.

    I stand here on the summit of the mountain. I lift my head and I spread my arms. This, my body and spirit, this is the end of the quest. I wished to know the meaning of things. I am the meaning. I wished to find a warrant for being. I need no warrant for being, and no word of sanction upon my being. I am the warrant and the sanction.

    It is my eyes which see, and the sight of my eyes grants beauty to the earth. It is my ears which hear, and the hearing of my ears gives its song to the world. It is my mind which thinks, and the judgement of my mind is the only searchlight that can find the truth. It is my will which chooses, and the choice of my will is the only edict I must respect.

    Many words have been granted me, and some are wise, and some are false, but only three are holy: “I will it!”
    _______________________________

    After that go forth and be you without apology. Yes this is hard, but it gets easier, and it’s fun, and chicks dig it.

    Good luck and may you be the force.

    1. I released my fathers ashes into the sea today from a rented runabout. I poured out a bottle of Budweiser, spilled some Old Spice in after it. Those scents remind me of him. Then his ashes spread and the water turned an iridescent blue. Like his soul was released. Then I tossed two sunflowers on top of him.

      My daughter cried. Mrs. T too. Then I took the boat to fish for the rest of the day and drank the rest of the beer. Dad would’ve wanted me to.

      That’s all for today.

      RT

    1. @Badpainter
      “I don’t know about you but I refuse to be around people who attack me.”
      Well getting better at that. It’s hard being decent around people that aren’t willing to admit your best interest. I realize that the FI is my mother my sisters and a huge part of farther. But that’s ok I can build my own damn family. It’s hard to admit to myself that I am the one who tolerates this self righteous moralistic world. Which is only maintained by me pretending along with it.

      “If you are not all about you then what are you all about?”
      In rugby I play left wing which is all about me because once I get the ball I dictate the motion of the game. It’s the closets I’ve come to to being utterly fucking euphoric the second to that is an ultra marathon. But he’ll maybe I am changing without realizing it.
      “People like that only care about your interests in the context themselves, you don’t matter.”
      Well that’s wha I am used to and it’s hard to step away and listen to myself use the same shit on someone else especially here. Fuck! Their Isn’t a way to get around dealing with people such as that besides leaving them and not being a part of their lives. That’s painfully obvious when you see me in the real world.
      Just put the book on hold at my library for pick up that was a real wonderful passage.
      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBDwOdlQ0VM
      Damnation the world is a beautiful place.

      @70’sAntihero
      “To live in hearts we leave behind is not to die.”
      That’s all I can do.
      “I am. I think. I will.”

      @Rollo Tommasi

      How do we forgive our Fathers?
      Maybe in a dream
      Do we forgive our Fathers for leaving us too often or forever
      when we were little?

      Maybe for scaring us with unexpected rage
      or making us nervous
      because there never seemed to be any rage there at all.

      Do we forgive our Fathers for marrying or not marrying our Mothers?
      For Divorcing or not divorcing our Mothers?

      And shall we forgive them for their excesses of warmth or coldness?
      Shall we forgive them for pushing or leaning
      for shutting doors
      for speaking through walls
      or never speaking
      or never being silent?

      Do we forgive our Fathers in our age or in theirs
      or their deaths
      saying it to them or not saying it?

      If we forgive our Fathers what is left?

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OB0RgMcB8zc

  36. “Things are more complex than that. And even within the sex ratio itself as its own factor, you really need to drill down into the operative sex ratio.”

    Deti would love this one, the Availability Ratio (AR), it’s basically the sex ratio at any given age group by sexual preferences, some metrics include education, status etc.

    Basically for every woman at their peak (from 18 to 28 and depending on locality) there is 1.8 men for every woman. It reaches 1 to 1 when women reach between 35 to 42, once again depending on locality.

  37. My Dad’s funeral was one of the hardest days of my life. An Alpha man who devoted himself to my mother. Who, unlike a LOT of women, returned the favor.

    Peace Rollo. And give yourself a year. It takes that long for “normality” to return.

  38. rugby11ljh
    June 15th, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    That is a neat trick that I didn’t know. Replacing “www” with “m”. I’m going to have to remember that.

  39. If memory serves, I once saw Rollo write that females are not attracted by intelligence in males. That is simply incorrect. I think that Rollo had a thought, but didn’t take it to its conclusion. So let me now fill that gap. Do females give a shit about your intelligence re engineering, or math, or programming, or any other aspect of building/maintaining civilization? Of course not, they merely bask in its benefits. Do they take notice if your intelligence re human relationships is above that of your competitors? You better believe it. They will actually compliment you on that, specifically. You will actually fuck because of that, specifically. This is why you must learn to see things from the female perspective—not because it’s “right”—but because it is what it is… just as all of your engineering equations are what they are. For the highest quality females, intelligence is the ultimate aphrodisiac, applied correctly. NEVER denigrate your own intelligence; rather, learn to harness it to your own ends.

    One hole, filled. More to come, I’m sure.

  40. Intelligence
    June 16th, 2015 at 4:07 am

    Agreed. After all the other “requirements” are met intelligence can be a deciding factor. Back in the 50s and 60s it was why some girls went to college. “Majoring in husband finding” was a common joke back then.

  41. And why would a woman pick intelligence after all the other qualifications are met? Earning power for one. Smarter babies for another.

  42. “If memory serves, I once saw Rollo write that females are not attracted by intelligence in males. ”

    Not quite. Intelligence can be quite attractive as per, “Earning power for one. Smarter babies for another.” What it isn’t is a trigger of desire, lust.

    Can it get you laid? Sure, but she’ll be thinking of a new house and BMW while doing it. In the foam cannon she’ll be too busy fucking to think of anything. That is the distinction that Rollo is making.

    “They will actually compliment you on that, specifically.”

    What a woman says is not what she means. The medium is the message. A compliment is not a fuck.

  43. emotional intelligence is attractive, and practical intelligence (smarts and common sense) has some attractiveness

    Put another way, intelligence that makes it possible to apply Game better is a factor in attraction

  44. Hard to take anyone’s claim that they are some kind of intellectual elitist and that america was formed as an experiment in democracy. Most of the dudes who set.up the early republic despised democracy and thought it to be the worst kind of government

    Male to female ratio and it’s impact on culture; I would think now that women vote in large numbers, work outside the home in large numbers and have massive assistance from the govt etc, the male to female ratio would not need to be particularly skewed to.have a larger then historic

    As for what was going on in the usa during the 1890-1900’s, don’t forget the massive amount of immigration going on at that time. That always changes a culture and never for the better from a traditionalist point of view

  45. @kfg

    Not quite. Intelligence can be quite attractive as per, “Earning power for one. Smarter babies for another.” What it isn’t is a trigger of desire, lust.

    – “Smarter babies for another.” ie, primal hardwired genetics… and yet it has no effect on primal drives such as “desire, lust.” Quite the backflip you did there.

    Can it get you laid? Sure, but she’ll be thinking of a new house and BMW while doing it. In the foam cannon she’ll be too busy fucking to think of anything. That is the distinction that Rollo is making.

    – Contrary to what Madison Avenue would tell you, females are not primarily primally concerned with material status symbols (though it’s a definite factor in some females). Their hardwiring overrides even the power of Madison Avenue.

    ‘They will actually compliment you on that, specifically.’

    What a woman says is not what she means. The medium is the message. A compliment is not a fuck.

    – You’re correct. Let me fuse two sentences together so that they cannot be sophistically parted: “They will actually compliment you on that, specifically, while you are fucking them, specifically.”

    @redlight
    emotional intelligence is attractive, and practical intelligence (smarts and common sense) has some attractiveness

    Put another way, intelligence that makes it possible to apply Game better is a factor in attraction

    – Game = intelligence, applied socially.

    Embrace your intelligence, gentlemen.

  46. @Rollo.
    I envy you to have had known your father.
    When my dad died (I was 17) I felt indifferent thanks to my Mother’s brain washing me against my Dad.

    At my age now I feel the indifference to wards my old Mother.

    This is the pay back to mothers who brain wash their baby boys thinking it will never back fire.

    Re intelligence.,
    A man who flashes his provisions/$$ might as well go to prostitutes and save 99% of his provisions.
    Provision is NOT arousal and arousal is NOT provisions.
    The medium is the message.

    Ps
    Sad that most men still think money would guarantee authentic fucking.

  47. The male burden of performance = the female burden of performance (negotiated arousal) to provision.

  48. “Quite the backflip you did there.”

    The backflip was not done by myself. It is done by women. I merely note it. The messenger is not the message.

  49. “Embrace your intelligence, gentlemen.”

    If you cull out the obvious trolls and drive bys, I wouldn’t be surprised if the average IQ of TRM commenters is 2 STD above the mean. I have yet to observe a single one of them bemoaning their intelligence.

  50. I have a friend who have money and all he does is to talk about how much money he makes and how much money he spends on his kids / friends.

    In other aspects of life, he is the most boring / stupid man I’ve ever known.

    I’ve known him for over 20 years and I swear I had never bought him a cup of coffee or a beer for 20 years! The reason he would not let anybody including women pay is : to show he’s got money and provision.

    His wife had left him /kids and eloped with a young hot stud.

    I as a man had always seen him as just as a provider to a free drink, imagine how women viewed him?.

    Ps
    I really feel sympathetic to women’s internal complexes regarding AF/BB.
    The solution to women’s rights is not equal rights, it is how to over come the AF/BB complex.

    Thank God or evolution I wasn’t born a woman, it must be torture.

  51. @M Simon

    That page is was like someone hid a pack of firecrackers in the cookie jar! I’m screwed 40x on my hooptie computer: shame, I would’ve liked to see what you had to say there.

    @Badpainter

    My problem with my “plan b” career was regarding selling out. As with most artists, my problem was with selling “art”.

    I had the same problem in high school. My music teacher insisted I play the violin right-handed. My trombone teacher insisted I wasn’t blowing notes correctly despite the meter reflecting that I do. Essentially, I gave up those instruments because I wasn’t able to play them how I wished to play them. Instead, I was expected to appease other people’s ears or their idea of “proper form”. As a result, I was issued less-than-motivating grades based on another’s assessment of my talents. Not being able to bring myself to that form of selling out (play to others, not myself), I dropped the classes.

    I was basically given low value in exchange for my artistic expression, and those two areas, my “business” and my “pleasure”, were not to be mixed. If I were to depend on that which I base my living for my pleasure, the pleasure I would derive would eventually plummet, as what was once a pleasure would ultimately become a chore.

    So, when I was in the print industry, I faced several path options. I avoided the direction which led to my “products” being subject to perceptions of others, and instead, chose the direction that led to my “products” being judged by finite, “real” quality factors. Basically, I avoided the “art” side and chose the “output” side, on the premise that the “art” side involved far too many people, and my paycheck (professional reputation, career potential) was beholden to their moods/emotions. Whereas, on the output side, my products weren’t judged by the position of the moon, but on the real qualities of those products.

    A quick experience to demonstrate… [dig this, Rollo]
    I worked at a small shop where one of the owners, who worked the output side, came in my office one day red-faced angry. He was pointing at an element on a proof sheet and going ballistic because it had made it to press with such a glaring mistake.
    V: “Uh… I’m not seeing the mistake.”
    That really set him off. So, now, he’s yelling, and smacking at the press sheet violently.
    V: “What, exactly, is the mistake you are trying to point out?”
    Boss: “This.” *points/smacks page*
    V: “Looks perfect.”
    Boss: “SEE!!??”
    He then goes off about the deadline, the ridiculously-picky-chick customer, my inappropriate confidence, yada-yada, just raging-out. I was starting to look around the office for a box to pack my things into.
    V: “Spell it out for me, because like you said, I must be stupid: I still don’t understand the problem with the (element).”
    Boss: “This…” *points* “…is supposed to be GREEN!”
    V: “And?”
    Boss: “AND!!!? I can’t BELIEVE YOU!!!” *screaming, now. Drops arms, rolls eyes, and spins around like about to walk off in disgust – quickly spins around to yell again*
    Boss: “IT’S BLUE!!!”
    V: “No? Uh… It’s green.” *my mind is pretty blown, at this point*
    Boss: “OH MY GOD! YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT THIS, *points*, THIS RIGHT HERE, *points again*, THIS BLUE THING RIGHT HERE, *furiously poking the page with pointed finger*, IS GREEN? HAHAHA! What is WRONG with you?”
    V: *looks at boss, looks at page, looks at boss again, suddenly remembers something a coworker said a few years earlier, stands up* “Wow… man… I’m so sorry… I just remembered. You’re blue-green color blind, aren’t you? Here, I was proud of myself for being ahead of the game, even dialed back the cyan and yellow screens 5% to compensate for our dot-gain, and to avoid the 355-to-CMYK conversion looking “teal” based on (company’s) prior runs. …wow. Hmmph.”
    Boss: *horrified look of shock*
    V: *gives boss a quick bro-hug* “Don’t sweat it, guy. I had totally forgot: I’ll try to remember for next time you try telling me the sky is green.” *chuckles*
    Boss: *starts to apolog…*
    V: “Relax, man. It’s good. We’re fine. It looks great. Really. Go ahead…” *motions to leave the office* “Forget about it…”

    Imagine, being on the verge of losing your job because of misperception, but several times daily. I’ve been artistic a long time, with many mediums, but, I couldn’t ever imagine being a professional artist as a reality. At least, not to start, or, not as an aim. Perhaps as supplementary income, but, never an artist for my bread-and-butter. Eventually, offshore printing, a glut of newly-schooled graphic “artists” who don’t understand basic light-additive/light-subtractive differences, and software technologies that automated common idiot’s error corrections, created a definite disregard for the skill-set and trade. Since anyone can turn on a computer and design a logo in MS Paint, anyone and everyone consider themselves a ‘graphic designer’ since they’ve technically designed a graphic. “I’m a printer, too: I hit the ‘print’ button on my computer. It’s not hard at all – what’s the problem?” Well, the problem is that, with widespread perceptions like those, the career’s pay started dropping considerably. Now, it’s on par with service industry, and not the technical trade it once used to be.

    If folks have wondered how “technology” killed my “plan b” career, there’s your insight. Direct-to-press technology negates the operator(s) necessary for the in-between steps. A customer can e-mail directly to a press’s print queue. It’s a shame, considering that grammar and punctuation are strong suits of mine, and the sheer volume of it’s/its and quite/quiet sorts of mistakes in publications and other printings is appalling, not to mention the pitiful attempts at punctuation. Unfortunately, the technology upgrade by-passes the second set of eyes (mine) that would catch the creator’s mistakes. And, when the employers started instructing me to “ignore it: that’s the PDF they sent”, I had to get out, as I could not bring myself to override my dedication to quality output (or the English language).

    When a salesman, upset that his customer’s RGB and CYMK Microsoft Publisher newsletter, which needed a good 8 hours of re-work to come out in the requested two spot colors, had gotten bumped-down in my production management, berrated me with: “How hard IS your job? It doesn’t take anything to come in here, turn on a computer, and just sit there all day!” Well, I got up and offered that he sit there in my stead, seeing as how it was all so easy. That chair was filled by 2 full-time people and one part-time person when I “pulled a Galt”.

    Now, my land is my canvas. It’s like a big sandbox, and I’m fiddling around like a 5-year-old building whatever my imagination conjures up. Since it’s MY land, and I live here, nobody has any say in what I plant, where I dig, or what the view is from the road. The point is, I’ve found an artistic outlet that suits me, and it is art for MY sake.

    Sure, I may one day sell it, though I don’t care to think of a reason why I’d need to. And, yes, there would be a certain amount of sweat-equity realized. However, it’s not art created for the sake of money, but for the art itself. Of course, there are financial motivations, as my “art” will eventually be functional, but that’s a by-product of the beauty.

    Which brings me to my reservations about writing. I’d have to do it for myself, not for money. I even imagined a potential outcome where I can combine all my super-powers. It is well within my reality to write a book, impose signature pagination for 2-up 17″ printing, output hard-copy, shoot the films and develop them, burn the plates, ink up the press, run the guts, cut them down, collate, and bind my own books for self-publishing, using only the “old-school” analog technology for the sake of tradition. (and, the old-school analog equipment is super-cheap, since nobody knows how to use it anymore!) It would be wildly rewarding in terms of personal accomplishment and satisfaction; but for money? Well, I’d have to put a price tag on the accomplishment, and my brain would spit out a postscript error warning – syntax error: art ***flushing rest of job***.

    Someone else would need to put a price tag on it, as my “value” and other peoples’ “value” wouldn’t align. And, like it was said above, the giving price for selling-out is never high enough. It messes with my motivations; I already have too many hobbies that I don’t have time for.

    And this is what Rugby’s friend was likely driving at. Don’t write a book you want women to buy; write a book you want to write, women will buy it or won’t – it’s still your book. The problem is “be who you are” isn’t exactly good advice if you don’t know who you are. When you “are who you are” all the time, and there is no “who you are around women” anymore…

    well, the motivations for interacting with women would have changed. This is part of why “fake it ’till you make it” never struck me as a healthy way to go about re-creating: it’s selling-out to women until you sell-out without any more remorse or effort. The “snake-oil peddler”/PUA analogy is a good one for that sort of fake-ster that practices being a fraud until the act is second-nature.

  52. “My music teacher insisted I play the violin right-handed.”

    That’s a practical matter for ensemble playing, just as right handed spear wielding is a practical matter for forming a phalanx.

  53. @kfg

    And yet, they piss and moan, incessantly, about 50% of THEIR species—females.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if the average IQ of TRM commenters is 2 STD above the mean.”

    Then where are they in Rollo’s comments? I don’t see them, ever. If it were true that the average IQ of TRM commenters is 2 STD above the mean, then we would read some tiny percentage (1%) of their comments on an *average* basis, rather than reading the incessant comments of abjects. But we don’t see that now, do we? Hence the readership of TRM.

    “I have yet to observe a single one of them bemoaning their intelligence.”

    I have yet to observe a single one of them celebrate interaction with a wonderful female as reward for a life well lived, just as would be a fine glass of wine, scoop of chocolate ice cream, splendid sunset, newborn burping on your sleeve. What point are you trying to impress upon this audience? Pffft.

  54. Sorry, this is a bit off current topic, but found an interesting post along the lines of both female entitlement and the ever-growing monster which is SJW tantrums:

    http://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/

    Girl goes into get a neck tattoo. Artist refuses for traditional tattoo artist reasons. Girl tries to turn it into the latest SJW rallying cry. Artist tells her she is a twit and why:

    “I was targeted by a blogger via Jezebel.com who would like to see me out of business. The reason? I refused to tattoo her neck, as I regularly do when asked by a sparsely tattooed or un-tattooed customer. Where she really got it wrong is assuming that I refused her service for sexist reasons, even after I informed her that I refuse neck tattoos on men and women weekly. Her misguided attempt to make this a feminist issue is a disservice to true feminism. It trivializes it in a wolf cry and makes slanderous assumptions of my character (just ask my mother, three big sisters, three beautiful nieces, and all of my wonderful female friends). I am a far cry from a misogynist…

    As all tattooers know, a neck or hand tattoo is a big commitment, and traditionally are reserved for those heavily covered and ready to confront society on a daily basis as a heavily tattooed person.

    Here’s how she views it:

    A few weeks ago, I was refused a tattoo. At a tattoo parlor. By a tattoo artist. At 1 p.m. on a Sunday, prior to consuming any Bloody Marys. I’m approaching 40, self-employed, and am generally used to doing whatever I want with my own body. (That last one was a joke.)

    She says the last part is a joke, but what she really means is she is used to getting people to do whatever she wants with their body. Read on:

    One Sunday afternoon, we walked into New York Adorned, perhaps the hipster-est tattoo parlor in New York City. Whoops!

    As soon as we arrived and told the woman at the counter what we’d like, she said, “You can discuss it with the artist’s assistant but I’m not sure they’ll let you get a neck tattoo.”

    Let me!

    Yes, honey, let you, as in there, at that place.

    Apparently, there is a code among the better artists, the kind you sought out, and they have some standards.

    Now, one wonders if the person actually said the words “let you” or you, Ms. Whiney Pants heard it that way, but what it boils down to is that people are not obliged to do shit for you. You can offer payment, and they can turn you down.

    Well, it used to be that way. I know a couple of bakers, a photographer, and at least one pizzeria that found out differently.

    She refers to the person she specifically sought out for this as an artist, supposedly someone who does NOT just do shit willy-nilly.

    BUT, when the guy (Dan) turns her down for esthetic reasons, she immediately plays the sexism card, labeling him both as a misogynist and also a moron because he refused her request:

    Dan: “A neck tattoo on someone without a lot of tattoos is like lighting a birthday candle on an unbaked cake.”

    Stunning analogy, right? I wonder: Does Dan know what an analogy even is?

    Wow!

    Moments before, this woman was willing to have a guy jab a needle INTO HER NECK, repeatedly, and now she is questioning if his IQ is above room temperature because she doesn’t like his analogy.

    What’s funny is that the analogy actually fits, and cuts to the quick of what the guy is talking about. His basic issue with the neck tattoo is, again:

    “…a neck or hand tattoo is a big commitment, and traditionally are reserved for those heavily covered and ready to confront society on a daily basis as a heavily tattooed person.

    When you read the article, this women has had a total of THREE tattoos previously, all very small by the description, one being an inch big.

    Dan’s analogy works perfectly, honey. You imagine yourself some sort of tattoo maven, while this guy looks at you as a poser-wannabee, and is questioning your real commitment here, and for YOUR benefit.

    This gets important in a sec…

    And then suddenly I’m fighting back tears because, as Dan has already correctly assessed, I’m just a feeble-minded, hysterical girl.

    I felt my mind whip around on this watching the hamster zip by me. Am I reading this wrong, but does she in the same sentence both denigrate Dan for being sexist for assuming she’s being overly emotional AS she admits she was being overly emotional?

    And then I ask the next thing that pops into my head.

    Me: “Would you say this to a guy?”

    Dan luh-hiterally paused, looked askance, and said with a slight nod, unconvincingly, “Yeah.”

    Sexism card…DEPLOYED!

    When I calmed down a few minutes later,

    Dan was sexist for thinking she was hysterical, remember? It took her a “few minutes” to calm down from someone telling her ‘no’.

    we hopped in a cab over to East Side Ink where I’d had a respectful experience in the past.

    ‘Respectful’ meaning people doing exactly what she desires without question.

    Mel, the assistant, greeted us and just had a few words of warning for me.

    REALLY? A warning? Sounds ominous. Whatever could this dire cautioning consist of?

    She said that neck and hand tattoos were “game changers” and that if she had it to do over, she wouldn’t have some of her hand tattoos.

    …? What the-

    SO…the FEMALE employee of the ‘respectful’ tattoo parlor tells our heroine that neck tattoos are a serious thing to consider, not to be done lightly, and that even SHE, the female employee of the tattoo parlor has regrets about the ones on certain (most visible) parts of her body.

    Which, when it comes down to it, was pretty much what the ‘moron’ Dan was trying to explain to her before SEXISM! SEXISM! SEXISM! klaxons started ringing in her head.

    Mel (the tattoo employee) has a vagina, though, so our heroine does not think to use that card again here.

    I was still pretty upset,

    She’s STILL upset, both after telling us she had calmed down already, and after a cab ride across town. Boy, that Dan was sure off-base thinking she was hysterical inside her head…

    so I’m not sure if I told her about the advent of lasers or just thought it.

    So, she can’t quite remember if she said out loud or thought the pissy, dismissive rebuttal to the ‘respectful’ FEMALE EMPLOYEE who tried to give her some friendly advice.

    Respect is a one way street, dontcha know?

    Also interesting to note that dismissive air, thinking that laser removal of tattoos is like magic, leaving no trace. Why, it’s almost as if she doesn’t really know much about tattoos at all.

    Cute too how she uses the phrase ‘advent of lasers’, like she now considers Mel to be stupid too, and is completely ignorant of laser removal, despite the fact that Mel WORKS IN A TATTOO PARLOR.

    I think I said something like, “I get it. I still want it.”

    I want. You give. You no give, I cry, pout, and try to ruin you.

    Got it?

    ****

    I post this not because I give a shit about tattoos or Dan. I don’t have a tattoo, never really considered getting one, and generally don’t like them on people.

    But, funny thing, I don’t try to IMPOSE my dislike of them on other freaking people.

    Read this, was annoyed, and needed to vent. It also plays into so much else we are seeing with every little setback for some whiner being turned into the next Selma.

  55. “And yet, they piss and moan, incessantly, about 50% of THEIR species—females. ”

    That many of the do. One of the purposes of TRM is to help them get over it.

    “Then where are they in Rollo’s comments?”

    Hiding in plain sight.

    “I don’t see them, ever.”

    Open your eyes.

    “What point are you trying to impress upon this audience?”

    It’s babies all the way down.

  56. @Intelligence,

    Your comment @ June 16th, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    Found it hard to follow what you were saying with the formatting you used on the post. If I can’t be sure what you are quoting as opposed to stating, it gets to be a bit of a muddle.

    Just sayin’…

  57. @kfg

    That many of the do. One of the purposes of TRM is to help them get over it.
    – Of course. Encouraging that mentality without an exit plan is destructive.

    “Then where are they in Rollo’s comments?”
    Hiding in plain sight.
    – Yeah, that’s who I write for also. The commenters do NOT accurately represent the readership, on any site.

    “I don’t see them, ever.”
    Open your eyes.
    – Fair enough. My will becomes jaded, and that is something that must be managed daily, like brushing one’s teeth.

    “What point are you trying to impress upon this audience?”
    It’s babies all the way down.
    – Yep. Life force injected into life force. Some extremely amazing stuff.

  58. @intelegence on

    Your way of posting reminds me of insanity22,?
    It was the sunset and a glass of wine?

    Are you insanity22 or her boyfriend?

  59. I’m her pet iguana. Do you have anything constructive to add, or do you merely get off on wasting the time of other people? Idiot.

    And you clowns wonder why females and alphas will have nothing to do with you. Read the above diarrhea. Who, alpha or beta, rich or poor, male or female, black or white, liberal or conservative, WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT TOXIC MINDSET?

    Snap out of it, for your own sake.

  60. Do you have anything constructive to add, or do you merely get off on wasting the time of other people? Idiot.

    And you clowns wonder why females and alphas will have nothing to do with you. Read the above diarrhea. Who, alpha or beta, rich or poor, male or female, black or white, liberal or conservative, WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT TOXIC MINDSET?

    Uhmmmm, that was kind of an Insanity type o’ response…

  61. Dude I know in the tattoo business says chicks are the worst clients. He also paints and what not and says…. chicks are his worse clients.

    Why? Cannot tell them a damn thing. It’s their 1st tattoo or 1st commissioned art work yet they are the experts on every aspect.

  62. @Intelligence – Okay, I’m going to make this clear from the start. You are coming in here insulting this space and the men in it, just like InsanityBytes. Keep it up and you will be spoken to like she was. your choice. But I won’t sit here and listen to tear us down without responding.

    So, if you persist and I call you a cunt, you can’t claim to be set upon by the feral, angry men here. You will have invited it due to your own nastiness. Make a choice and live with it. Put more simply, “You started it” – so don’t turn into a fucking whiner when you get insulted in return.

  63. Intelligence is Insanity. Look at how her thoughts are flowing and expressed. Like overly spicy Mexican food diarrhea. It only took a couple of posts before the name calling and belittlement began.

  64. @SFC Ton,

    Cannot tell them a damn thing. It’s their 1st tattoo or 1st commissioned art work yet they are the experts on every aspect.

    Her post reeks of entitlement for respect and experience she has not earned.

    She has literally only dabbled in tattoos, but then presents herself as some sort of old hand with them, like she’s covered in them.

    The real kicker for me was NO acknowledgement that the second shop warned her against the tattoo for basically the SAME reasons as DAN did. I could have accepted a, “Well, okay, maybe he had a point, but he could have been more polite about it.”

    Nope. Nuthin’. Like it did not even occur to her, which it might very well have not.

    Freakin’ astounding…

  65. Intelligence on is not the iguana, intelligence on IS insanity22.

    Who posts like this:
    “Di dum dum di dum”

    And then insanity22 insert her say.

    Then
    “Di dum dum di dum”

    And then insanity22 insert her say.

    It’s the “QUOTATION “.

    So, thhhhere.

  66. SCENE – INSIDE INSANITY’S SECRET LAIR IN A STORE ROOM AT BED, BATH and BEYOND

    Insanity is sitting at her desk (really a large box of loofah sponges from South Africa), reading her laptop, her cold, hard face glowing blue in the dark space. Her eyes grow wide, then narrow in rage and frustration.

    “Curses!”

    She jumps up, knocking her laptop to the floor. Her pointed black hat flies off her head, rolls away.

    “Mr. T suspects my TRUE IDENTITY!”

    “Perhaps the sunshine and wine references were,/i> a bit of a giveaway,” said Mandrake, her iguana familiar.

    “Shut up!”

    “I’m a familiar…I am supposed to offer advice…”

    “I didn’t ask you…”

    “I think the insults about intelligence might have also been a bit premature…”

    “I said shut UP!” shrieked Insanity, throwing a jar of Dead Sea Salt Scrub at the iguana, who barely scuttled out of the way.

    “Jesus!” muttered the familiar, hiding behind a box of towels.

    “My cover was perfect. PERFECT! There is no way he could know…”

    “Well, you did say you were leaving TRM, and then suddenly a new, completely unknown poster pops in…”

    “I SAID SHUT UP!”

    “Bitch…”

    “What?

    “Nothing. I sneezed.”

    Insanity scowled at the box of towels, then snatched her hat off the floor, followed by her laptop.

    “No…he’s only guessing…I need to throw him off the trail…Convince him I am someone completely different…”

    There was an awkward silence.

    “Well?” Insanity finally barked, her head snapping toward the box of towels.

    “Well, what?” came the muffled reply from the box.

    “Any suggestions?”

    Mandrake poked a cautious eye around the edge of the box.

    “Well, I wouldn’t advise what you are thinking of doing…”

    “What does that mean?”

    Mandrake scowled.

    “You have that look in your eye…”

    “What look?

    “The one you get when you’ve had your sixth margarita…just before you fly off the handle and start flaming everyone…”

    They both eyed the nearly empty pitcher of yellowish liquid next to her, now only a third full. Her salted glass tipped over onto it’s side.

    “You need to engage in a rational, reasoned way, addressing the points people make,” said Mandrake, poking the rest of his head out. “It might help to read Rollo’s post above, and riff off at least one point, to make it look like you are engaged in debate…”

    Insanity stared at Mandrake for a moment, the iguana thinking he might be getting through.

    Insanity sniffed, snatched her glass off the floor, and poured it to the brim before taking a big swig.

    “Naw….Fuck it!”

    She cracked her knuckles and placed her fingers on the keyboard.

    “How do you spell diarrhea?”

    “Oh, for fuck’s sake…”

    “SPELL IT YOU FUCKING GECKO!”

  67. Intelligence vs Insanitybites. Binary or BiPolar. Same harpy drivel. Why would she want to be the girl reporter in the Steelers locker room? Just can’t stand guys having fun.

  68. @KFG
    “That’s a practical matter for ensemble playing, just as right handed spear wielding is a practical matter for forming a phalanx.”

    What would handedness matter in a bluegrass or celtic ensemble?

    (I wish I could remember the name of the gal who is playing violin over electronica…damn, it’s on the tip of my tongue, as she’s good, and a hotty, to boot…)

    Likening a chair askew in an orchestra to a void in a military formation’s defense isn’t the best correlation, but I understand your point.

    The whole rigamarole of swapping violins provided a valuable lesson at a valuable time in my youth. Of course, looking back, the orchestra teacher was a chick… so… of course it didn’t matter how I preferred to play, did it?

  69. Intelligence / insanity
    “And you clowns wonder why females and alphas will have nothing to do with”

    5. Etymology Hate

    Hater: Your definition of an alpha male is false. In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is leader of the pack, not a cad/badboy/jerk who pumps and dumps women.

    Isn’t it just like a nerd to get hysterical over the appropriation of a narrow-sense scientific term to conveniently illustrate broader truths about men and women.

  70. “are you telling me that people can change handles here? don’t insult my lntelligence”

    What you’re saying is incriminating evidence that you ARE
    Insanity22

    Yes. Who else better at “change handle “.

  71. @ scribblerg

    Hard love, my brother, same as I gave you when you first appeared here. And now you feign to lecture me? Silly.

    “But I won’t sit here and listen to tear us down without responding.”

    The only reason that I write here *with the intention of getting you to think for yourself* is that you might become conscious enough to respond. Where are all the other zombies not responding to anything, at all?

    So, if you persist and I call you a cunt,
    – I love being called a cunt.

    you can’t claim to be set upon by the feral, angry men here.
    – I’m intimately conscious of the feral angry crowd. That’s the sole reason that I post in the manosphere.

    You will have invited it due to your own nastiness.
    – @ scribblerg, nastiness = truth. (and yes, it’s nasty)

    Make a choice and live with it. Put more simply, “You started it” – so don’t turn into a fucking whiner when you get insulted in return.

    -Don’t call someone a whiner when you’re the one getting punched in the mouth. Punk.

  72. @Blaximus
    I am Chokmah.

    Grab that bogeyman under you bed.

    Look, featherweight, if I were “Insanity” I would simply proclaim same. Next try, goober.

  73. @Blaximus
    I am Chokmah.

    Grab that bogeyman under you bed.

    Look, featherweight, if I were “Insanity” I would simply proclaim same. Next try, goober.

  74. @Mr T
    I am Chokmah.

    “Intelligence on is not the iguana, intelligence on IS insanity22.”

    I have zero ability to get you laid, or not. However, it’s an interesting fact, that rather than introspect on how you can build a better life for yourself, you choose to talk shit to other males. The correlations therein, are very interesting indeed.

  75. “What would handedness matter in a bluegrass or celtic ensemble?:

    Which side of the stage you stand on. Hey, I’ve made some money over the years helping violinist’s break their Good Habits and learn to fiddle properly. Proper Form(tm) can be relative to a genre, or even a style within a genre, and Classical is just another genre. I don’t put it on a pedestal.

    ” . . .and a hotty, to boot…”

    Well, that hasn’t been Laurie Anderson for a while. Lindsey Stirling?

    ” . . . the orchestra teacher . . .”

    There it is right there. In the pit you’re just another grunt or trained monkey. It was no different with my male teacher who was an older German of the “weekly beatings” school of instruction. I picked up keltic and old timey the old timey way; listen, watch and then try it out in the barn until you start to get the hang of it, but I prefer the old solo styles anyway and can’t play “session” music worth a damn.

  76. June 16th, 2015 at 5:01 pm “… I remember. Lindsey Stirling.”

    June 16th, 2015 at 5:29 pm ” Lindsey Stirling?”

    Well, took me a long time to get that one out, dinnit though?

  77. Smartpants
    “I have zero ability to get you laid, or not. However, it’s an interesting fact, that rather than introspect on how you can build a better life for yourself, you choose to talk shit to other males. ”

    OK, You go boy, believe her when she tells you she will give you” her best”

  78. @Badpainter; right on my man…it was David Smith who stirred up a shit storm by saying the best artist is the one who makes the most money. If it’s true for rodeo cowboys why not for artists? In my own case I’m now learning (teaching myself) to oil paint after a 40 year career as a sculptor. (I did do well enough to manage a comfortable retirement.) My oil painting brush technique sucks but I’m so pleased that I can still draw. All you say resonates with me.

    Ya all know, this comment thread covers a lot of ground that I have been through in my long life. I tend to agree with the guys who regularly advise against commitment to a woman. Yes, there are times when some longer term connection can be of value, but really I have found myself to be best served by going my own way. That’s not to say I shun women. Actually I love them. They serve as my muse as well as my models. But I don’t let that deep appreciation get in the way of making decisions for myself.

    From my place at the far end of the three score and ten years of experience I can only say that we will all make our way and it will be (is) good. Whenever I’m feeling like shit about my own poor performance (low self-esteem) I just remember my meditation teacher who says ” if you are breathing there is far more that is right about you than is wrong. Relax and love yourself a bit.”

    1. @funoldguy
      “That’s not to say I shun women. Actually I love them. They serve as my muse as well as my models. But I don’t let that deep appreciation get in the way of making decisions for myself.”
      It’s in part why nude modeling is still something I draw at.

      @Vulpine
      @Kfg
      About to play so I’m just gonna drop this here.
      https://m.soundcloud.com/jjgrey/lochloosa

  79. funoldguy – “I have found myself to be best served by going my own way. That’s not to say I shun women. Actually I love them. They serve as my muse as well as my models. But I don’t let that deep appreciation get in the way of making decisions for myself.”

    That is the ideal situation. A symbiotic parasitism where she/they by feeding on my creativity recharge and validate my enthusiasm and passion for my own work or performance. My work/performance/life is improved by this. The challenge is finding that and having to sort through the mess of those who think my life, and work are about them or should be, not realizing it actually is all about me. The unworthy fail to see that by investing in me they will get far from me then if they insist on making all about them.

  80. Ohhh my. The name calling. A keyboard tough ass.

    …featherweight? Really?

    I guess now we will all be subjected to endless ” intelligence ” ID’s for hours on end.

    Hell, that’s the price of freedom.

    Let me think… A featherweight is around 125 pounds or so. I’m not even close, so Ingnorelligence can’t be talking about that.

    I’m smart enough not to waste my time trolling on the interwebz, so he/she/it/shit can’t be talking about mental capacity.

    I’m sure we will all get more of this chameleon crapping on discussions. It may just be entertaining…until it’s not. Good thing nothing lasts forever.

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