Sexy isn’t always slutty, but slutty is always sexy.
As a relative rookie to blogging I’m starting to develop a better sensitivity to what people find important enough to share with a global audience. One annoying phenomenon I’ve encountered is that I find myself deeply concentrating on some topic and crafting a well thought (at least I think) analysis around it only to be shaken out of my brooding by something that I think needs to be more immediately addressed. Such was the case with Emma Watson’s above diatribe regarding the quandary of sexiness. This bit of her inane post-pubescent aphorisms is being shared around Face Book (generally by older and less attractive women) as some confirmation of what I can only presume is men’s inability to fully comprehend sexiness, beauty and the feminine mystique. Fat acceptance and body image issues aside, it’s ironic that the same women nodding along in agreement are reposting Emma’s wisdom on their wall right next to their most recent GNO (girls night out) party photos in mini skirts themselves.
Any cursory browsing of 4Chan will probably turn up a Rule 34 thread with Emma’s face clone-tooled over some random porn star’s face while getting double penetrated. She’s easily one of the most available celebrity porn fakes. That may have a bit to do with her Harry Potter role and various fetishes, but the short version is guys want to bang Emma, and barring the actual experience, they reaaally want to see her naked. It’s a pity that Emma doesn’t understand how to be sexy, but she’s in the majority; precious few women know what turns men on, and still fewer have any capacity to effectively be so.
Sexy isn’t always slutty, but slutty is always sexy.
In the same sense that women lack the capacity to truly appreciate the sacrifices a man must make to ensure her reality, most women also lack a fundamental understanding of the male sexual impulse. As I’ve stated in prior threads, until women are steeped in 17 times their normal testosterone levels, they will never understand the male experience with regards to sex. When a woman utters the words “I don’t understand why sex is such a big deal for guys”, she’s speaking the truth. She can’t know, but along with that comes a disconnect between her lack of understanding the male sexual impulse and her fem-centric social conditioning of what sex should be like for him.
“I find the whole concept of being ‘sexy’ embarrassing and confusing.”
Considering Emma’s boyish pixie cut (eerily similar to a younger Sinead O’ Conner’s) this should come as no surprise to anyone. What Emma doesn’t get is that sexy isn’t always slutty. She doesn’t understand how to be sexy, but few women do because it is Men who’ve classically defined what is sexy and feminine in women. What has historically worked as sexy, and what has been historically confirmed as feminine is defined by the response and effect that particular behavior set evokes from Men. What we consider today as sexy behaviors and appearance were characteristics ‘selected-for’ that endured to become gender indicative aspects of being feminine. The inverse of this is true for women; women define what is sexy in men.
The problem women have with being sexy in the last 50+ years is illustrated in Emma’s next point:
“I know everyone wants a picture of me in a mini-skirt. But that’s not me. I feel uncomfortable. I’d never go out in a mini-skirt. Personally, I don’t even think it’s that sexy.”
On a rudimentary biological level, Emma actually does know what is sexy (i.e. what turns Men on about women), but she is “uncomfortable” in being so. People want to change her into someone who is comfortable with being sexy because they see such potential – ergo the popularity of Emma’s Rule 34 popularity. Her refusal or discomfort in being so is where the feminine imperative picks up the banner and runs with it. Here is an arguably beautiful young woman (by men’s standards) who wont conform to what men’s appetites want to make of her. Like all contemporary women, she wants to define what sexy should be for men using metrics that she is comfortable with. The problem, as with all things fem-centric, is that this social push to redefine for men what they should find sexy slams headlong into Men’s biological imperatives. Despite feminizations incessant efforts to the contrary, we still want to fuck the girl who most closely resembles the Playboy centerfold and our erections are the litmus test.
Show Up Naked, Bring Beer
Another great irony of our age is that we still cling to the idea that it’s women who are the best seducers of humanity. In the same misdirection that women would like to believe that they are the more romantic gender, so too would they like to believe they are the most effective seducers. Both of these are far from the truth. It’s Men with the greatest art that have gone down in history as the greatest seducers of the genders. So much more is required of Men to be effective seducers than women.
In this age female seduction amounts to show up naked, bring beer.
Men are stimulated primarily by the physical, but there’s a lot more a woman can do to be seductive. Quite honestly I think seduction is a lost art for women. Very few women know how to be sexy, much less seductive. Even fewer ever feel a need to be seductive. This is due to an environment that, for the past 50 years, has simplified sexual exchange for women to the point that all she need do is stay somewhat fit and wear a thong occasionally. So many men have become so acclimated to just these visual prompts as sexual cues that women don’t really need to learn seduction. There is no greater reward for being sexy or seductive beyond what she’s already capable of prompting in a man, so seduction practices aren’t reinforced for her.
Now add to this the feminine priority westernized culture has placed on women’s sexuality. Any woman feeling a need to be seductive for a man is cast in the role of putting his sexual value above her own. Remember, according to Cosmo and Oprah it is he who needs to be sensitive to her needs. Her sexuality is a GIFT he qualifies for, not something she should ever feel a need to sell to him by means of seduction.
Women don’t need to seduce men anymore. The feminine-priority dynamic has put a default value on women’s sexuality. Those hot enough to simply wear something revealing never need seduction, and those not hot enough can’t sell it anyway. And the girls who’re in between – the one’s who’d benefit most – are discouraged from learning seduction since it’s denigrating to women who should already be on a pedestal to begin with.
Ever since the sexual revolution there’s been less and less motivation for women to develop seduction skills. If anything there’s a resentment for ever having needed them in the past. I’d argue that feminine seduction skills have been replaced with emotional and psychological manipulations (see BPD) in order to make men comply with their imperatives as a result of having abandoned those seduction behaviors.
It’s Men who are learning seduction skills now. How many men do you suppose have read the Art of Seduction by Robert Greene in comparison to women? It’s men who’ve created a global community dedicated to seduction techniques. Perhaps this is the best evidence of the gender reversal the community discusses so often? Women’s sexuality has been elevated to such a degree that it’s men who find it necessary to collectively study seduction.
Another great post. I’ve been in the position of actually advising women how to flirt and be seductive. Imagine that – as a man, I’ve studied enough about seduction from a male standpoint that I know more about female seduction techniques than some women I know. One was a cute Asian I worked with who I knew liked me (but I chose not to act on because of my job). Another was a girl I knew from high school who was stuck in an early 90s grunge time warp. In either case I was shocked that they didn’t even know… Read more »
Fuck beer. It’s the drink of slaves.
This is incredibly eye-opening, Rollo.
The art of sexiness went out the window right alongside femininity. Most American women these days aren’t sexy or feminine because they don’t have to be. This is the direct result of the disintegration of marriage and the rise of the hookup culture. If the new goal is short term hookups with random douchebags as opposed to long term monogamy with a single high value man, there is no incentive to improve your presentation beyond what it takes to achieve your goal. These days a splattering of war paint and a set of bolt-on’s are enough to get a woman… Read more »
“This is the direct result of the disintegration of marriage and the rise of the hookup culture. If the new goal is short term hookups with random douchebags as opposed to long term monogamy with a single high value man, there is no incentive to improve your presentation beyond what it takes to achieve your goal.”
And here we see an AFC who thinks he is a high value man. Not understanding what was being written or why he is an AFC.
Any woman half decent on the eye can use her body to bed a man. It is altogether different to seduce a man by conquering his imagination and occupying his thought. The latter task requires more than flesh. It requires a combination of body, gait, wit, and dress. In my books, sexy always trumps slutty. What a shame this doesn’t happen more often.
I hear you, but I also like a well-measured slutty too.
Problem is, slutty tends to come along with a whole slew of other things that are pretty undesirable in a woman. It’s nice to imagine that there is a such thing as *Your* slut, but that’s not how it works most of the time
I usually aim for the ‘Classy’ women. Those that know how to look good and show off their body without being too revealing of actual skin. It has a higher chance of a good balance of looks/personality.
At least, for relationships. I’ll approach anyone who throws out some indicators of interest and is physically attractive.
“I usually aim for the ‘Classy’ women. Those that know how to look good and show off their body without being too revealing of actual skin. It has a higher chance of a good balance of looks/personality. At least, for relationships. I’ll approach anyone who throws out some indicators of interest and is physically attractive.” A guy who aims for a “classy” women is a guy in denial desperate for pussy. Which is why they say “I am for ????? women but they are so hard to find”. These guys then say it to women trying to validate themselves. Not… Read more »
Those “classy” women are just as raunchy and slutty as the girl in the miniskirt dancing on the bar. When you understand that, you’ll understand female sexuality.
Not too long ago I would read something like this (what Emma said) as is. Not thinking much into it and move on. Now I am beginning to analyze and ask questions. I’m now wanting to know more and want to understand the meaning of it. I am reading between the lines. Whether I am right or not in that understanding isn’t relevant to me right now, what I am concerted about is beginning to ask questions why and search for deeper meaning.
Your writings Rollo made me question and start to read between the lines.
Great blog Rollo
Reader from beginning, first post….
Sam Spade – I agree many women haven’t got a clue how to seduce their man apart from showing up naked (my girlfriend hasn’t a clue).
However at work I notice that many of the women who can suddenly do the seduction routine at work when the boss appears.
When the boss of my company is around the amount of fake laughs and kino from some (not all) of the women is quite frankly nauseating.
When there is a man around who has genuine power over them women can play seductive.
Good Luck Chuck
I live near Heathrow – this Dexters place sounds so bad I may have to go one day out of curiosity…
That would be Heathrow, Florida. But yea, if you ever get the chance to go on a Saturday night it’s a blast getting molested by a pack of over the hill cougars who are out spending their ex husbands money. It’s like a bizzaro universe where it’s the women are on the hunt. And even if you do have to make the first move it’s all downhill from there cause these women are dying for attention.
Good post. The best women know how to walk the line between sexy and slutty. If you’re going to analyze the actresses of the current era like Emma Watson who are uncomfortable with walking that line, then compare them to actresses from previous generations who could and did walk that line between sexiness and slutiness; Ava Gardner, Jane Russell, Gina Lollabrigida, Catherine Denueve. Even Lauren Bacall. and many more from before the cultural and sexual revolutions of the late 1960’s. Even in the era that was perceived to be more socially conservative and Hollywood self-censored they were more sexy and… Read more »
It is the old fable of the fox and the grapes. She is not sexy, and for sure not very feminine. She has a skinny body and no boobs to show, of couse she does not speak well about showing them. She is the dream of nerdy betas kids.
She is an androgynous body, and instead of working to reduce the effect, of course she accentuates it. Obvious psychological mechanism.
And liar too, since a lot of magazines portraied her dressed in a sexy manner and with a provocative look – guess she needs money to understand sexiness.
Great post. But if you do some research you will find emma watson wearing sexy outfits, flirting with the camera and posing like a bombshell. She knows what sexy is. She is good at playing the innocent girl next door image that really get guys going. That’s what they like about her. It’s not that she doesn’t know. It’s she does know but she plays hard that she does not. She is a model. She knows how to give bedroom eyes to the camera. Great post. I enjoy your writings.
You know what’s sexy? Sex is sexy. Britney spears had a good body back in her day, but her choreographed dancing was not sexy. They say you can tell if a woman is orgasmic or not by how she walks. What makes a woman walk sexy? Sex. The fact that sex – real good mind blowing deep orgasmic sex – is imprinted into her musculature. Britney could not dance with sex in her body back in her day. She was flailing about on stage, with her perfect plastic body, but she didn’t have the heat. Sex is the heat. The… Read more »
what about sites like http://www.gettheguy.co.uk/ ?
i know for a fact that this guy makes a ton of money by teaching women some sort of game and seminars are booked way in advance.
is this for post wall sinead o’connor women only?
Very interesting article here! What’s sad in my opinion is that guys learn that being respectful and “nice” never works. It simply doesn’t seem attractive for some reason. Some will disagree, but that’s what I’m seeing. And seduction using a “I don’t care if you like me or not” wins 99 to 1 over having a giving and nice personality.
That is how you seduce a man.
More specifically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpi2IAec9Ho&feature=player_embedded
She has had boyfriends before, but looks like a lesbian now, so see what happens going to a feminist College. No, she doesn’t now look like an attractive “Girl Next Door” type either. Any woman who intentionally cuts here hair this short has mental issues. Maybe there is or will be a future “Iron Rule” about “Don’t take anything women verbally say seriously.” If a man was seeing her (or any woman) and he tells her “We’re going out tonight at 9pm, wear a skirt that’s above your knees and wear high-heels, I’ll pick you up in 2 hours, see… Read more »
I don’t think she is a lesbian, nor does she have some kind of serious psychological problem. I think she is just a strong idealist. She feels that men should be attracted to her based on personality instead of looks and is insuring she will find just that by removing anything about her that may be attractive about her based on her looks. Its her idealistic reaction to the attention she got by modeling in short skirts in the past and getting the drooling attention that she did. It would be like me in the past refusing to accept that… Read more »
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Ahhh,..do we feel all better now precious? Did you get your weekend of vicariously pandered-for attention?
Good, now read this:
I see SW has tried to misconstrue you yet again…
I don’t see what is so hard to understand about this.
A square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares-
Slutty is sexy but not all that is sexy is slutty
Boys have been fantasizing about Emma since her teen years from Harry Potter until her early adult years. She was overexposed and in demand before she could have even figured out what to do in order to attract the men she really wanted to attract. If Emma never became a famous actress, I have no doubt that today she would have the long hair and the mini skirt for attracting males and competing with other females. In reality Emma does not have female competition today because most of the young males her age are beneath her perceived value and most… Read more »
Here’s an idea for you. What if wealthy, famous celebrity chicks can afford to handicap themselves because they already have half of what they would keep a man around for in the first place? If you have more money and status than you know what to do with you might be a little less concerned about finding a man to bring those things into your life. Not to mention, the wealthier and higher status you are it becomes more and more difficult to even find a man who could bring anything to the table for you. Think, a female CEO… Read more »
Then again, unless you’re a lezbo you would have to be a fool to downplay your most important asset.
What a waste….that’s all I have to say.
Pook once wrote and interesting article that celebrity is not a woman but the opposite of it, I can’t seem to find it (was on his blog) but the basic sums of it is that a female celebrity loses her femininity in the process.
Meh, she looked like a kid with that Hermione hair. Maybe she could have done something with it to make it more beautiful instead of cutting it, but her new look is somehow more appealing than the previous one.
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“Ahhh,..do we feel all better now precious? Did you get your weekend of vicariously pandered-for attention?”
To whom where you referring to as ‘precious’? A commentor or Emma?
[It was in response to Aunt Giggles “irritation” post]
“Women don’t need to seduce men anymore.” Cleo and such other mags are based on the presumption that women feel insecure enough about their ability to arouse a man that they always have “sex tips” or “how to get him turned on” etc. Whether their tips are actually useful is a bit besides the point, I think that there is still the presumption that women are, if not the active seducers, then at least the ones who ought to be able to inspire desire in men and that this is something they need to improve. The competition anxiety continues to… Read more »
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Agree that women are trying to change the very definition of sexy. Some women are trying to convince society (mostly men) that sexy is a short, pixie cut, that sexy is a woman’s many degrees from college (achievements) and that sexy is a woman in a pants suit (versus a dress).
They are wrong on all counts…why?
Because women don’t get to decide what men think and believe is sexy in a woman. It’s more bullshit from the F.I…..brainwashing at it’s finest.
Demonstrate not explicate
Love it. This answers my question in a lot of ways. Emma Watson has that same uncomfortable prepubescent non-sexuality going on. Those pictures of her with Tom Hanks in Esquire were SO uncomfortable. It was like an awkward teenager with her embarrassing dad. Yet we’re almost the exact same age.
But what was female seduction in like, the Victorian Era? Or Colonial America? Just dressing feminine, behaving in a way men liked?
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my lady does NOT have a single clue of what seduction really encompasses.
she thinks a trip to victoria secrets will fix the problem while i continue to tell her that wearing loose shorts and no bra… or wearing one of my t-shirts in panties is just as sexy as lingerie-IF YOU KNOW HOW TO ENTICE.
My new girlfriend always cooks and cleans the house dressed and looking just like those 1950s housewife pinups, and I absolutely love it. Nowadays feminists have taught us to incorrectly reject this look as quaintly sexist. This is not just wrong, it’s actually in a way “evil’: presenting yourself to your partner in a sexy way is a natural, positive, healthy way of creating a stronger bond of partnership and expressing you care for them, and depriving your partner of this by not dressing ‘sexy’ drives a stake between the two of you. Sexy is really a state of mind… Read more »
I’ve noticed this phenomenon of society attempting to dictate what should be sexy to men manifest itself in another similar fashion – women who work out. I am not referring to the Instagram “fitness” models who do their “workouts” (e.g. squats, lunges, donkey-kicks, etc.) in tight leggings or booty-shorts, I am referring to the female bodybuilders / cross-fit types. You see the photos of these well-built females flexing, showing off their well-developed biceps, chiseled back muscles, and six-pack abs. Then you are told that this is what a real woman looks like (i.e. strength & muscles are sexy). The problem… Read more »
I disagree that women shouldn’t try to build some muscle. A skinny-fat chick isn’t great either.
This woman is doing a balls to the wall compound lifts routine and is only perhaps slightly too muscular:
Women think if they even look at a barbel they’ll turn in to the hulk. They simply don’t have the physiology for that.
A lot of women would benefit from adding weights to their typical cardio bunny routine.
He’s talking about this:
“A lot of women would benefit from adding weights to their typical cardio bunny routine.”
I can’t quite agree; they need to back to back the hell off their typical cardio bunny routine as well. And eat some real damn food.
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Hey Rollo. I read this today, and then had a one hour dialogue with myself whilst mowing the lawn. What thought came to me was this: Some women I know, are in pristine shape physically, but do not embrace capitalising on those things that escalate them in the SMP. Should they choose to slip on a mini skirt and slap on a bit of make up, push their tits up, smack on eye lashes, and basically align themselves with the masculine sexual triggers, they would automatically escalate minimum 2, possibly 3 points on the average man’s HB10 scale. But they… Read more »
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All hopes were shattered.
Now I’m reading this and your LTR things are so relatable that it feels you are talking about me .
I’m all fucked in LTR(without even meeting or face time her for a year)
I have accepted things you said about betas and LTR ‘s
I think I could fix at least some part of it with your help
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