As a personal rule I never engage in political discourse either on this blog or on the SoSuave forum. For the same reason I’m cautious about relating my own personal experiences as illustrations of larger social dynamics, so too am I not inclined to relate my political views because they pollute a clearer understanding of these dynamics with suspicions of bias. That bias comes in many forms – personal, moral, political, etc. and I make a conscious effort in every post I publish to focus strictly on the underpinnings of every dynamic I explore with a minimum of personal input.
I realize that observing a process will change it, but I make my best efforts to be an objective observer of whatever I explore. Sometimes those observations are complimentary to those who agree, and sometimes they’re insulting.
That said, some specific inter-gender social dynamics demand a recognition of elements that contribute to bias when that element is itself the social dynamic. Issues of morality, ethics and social conduct are the easiest examples of where the particulars of a truth run headlong into how the genders perceive or modify that truth to their benefit.
Our modern political landscape and how it has evolved according to gender specific influences is another dynamic that deserves observation. I understand even a cursory analysis of political dynamics is fraught with the dangers of speculation, bias and deliberately distorted perceptions, but these liabilities shouldn’t excuse us from making the attempt to analyze them.
What’s brought me to this subject today was a very profound comment made by none other than Mark Minter, a Rational regular and in my opinion one of the manosphere’s best assets. I’m going to repost his comment below and let it speak for itself. Some of his analysis I may disagree with, but really only in terms of his attention to details. However the majority of it I do agree with and I thought his observations needed a larger stage to be expressed upon.
Before you read this, let me be clear, I have never edited nor censored any comment (except spam) in the history of Rational Male no matter who comments or and no matter how I may disagree with what’s expressed. That said, I would ask that commenters on this post be conscious of its purpose – observation of the social dynamic. There is a plentitude of postings on which to comment about our political environment over at The Spearhead if you wish to vent your ideological frustrations. I’m interested in social mechanic of what Mark is proposing here.
This is my analysis of the election. And this is my manifesto.
Here you had a sitting president that had everything going against him in voter sentiment, ambivalent economic data, if not bad data, a general lack of confidence of his ability to be a significant leader, and still he could not be beaten by his opponent.
This has been the on going theme of my comments. Women are winning. Women are going to win and impose the changes on society that they wish and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was women. Pure and Simply. This election was about women. And the men lost. If the economy had improved even by a few percent more, then the election would never have been this close. Obama appealed to women and would’ve blown Romney away. Romney was only in the race because of his ability to run on the economy and the antipathy that conservative white voters have towards Obama. In the Senate races, Women won every race except for Maine where an independent candidate won, and the woman came in second. The conservative came in last.
The forces arrayed against you, socially, economically, and politically are insurmountable. You can scream, whine, blog, comment, whatever, and you will not turn back the march of history. Even if the number of Red Pill aware men increases ten fold in the next few years, it still will not stop the inevitable erosion of the position of men, not only in America, but throughout the rest of the world.
Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police. Whether you realize it or not, women are a bigger enemy to you than any Arab, any Iranian, any Chinese.
Your last chance to even slow this march was just lost. Democrats made a lot of hay about the Clint Eastwood presentation during the Republican convention where he used a chair as a prop and addressed a hypothetical Barrack Obama in the chair. It was said that was the essence of the Republican party, angry, old white men railing in their anger at a black Democratic president. And more and more of are those old, angry, white men are going to die and not be replaced in the pipeline. In 2016 there will be even fewer of them and more and more non-white voters will move onto the voting rolls to replace those white male voters that will die over the next four years. Obama received 93% of the black vote, 69% of the hispanic vote, and 74% of the Asian vote. Romney won 59% of white voters. There will a smaller percentage of white voters in every election cycle from here on out.
But the real issue was the gender gap. Women favored Obama, 54 percent to 44 percent, while men chose Romney by an almost identical margin, 53 percent to 45 percent. Mothers were more likely to support Obama (55 percent to 45 percent), while fathers sided with Romney (55 percent to 43 percent).
“Democrats effectively made the case that issues important to women, not just issues like abortion and reproductive rights but economic issues of equal pay and access to jobs, those issues resonated with women,” said Ron Schurin, a political scientist at the University of Connecticut. “The Romney campaign seemed at times to be tone deaf on those issues. They tried to make a case, they just didn’t do it effectively.”
The key race in the election cycle, the bellweather indicator of things to come, was the race between Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren. Expect this formula to be repeated by Democrats in subsequent elections. Elizabeth Warren was an academic, a law professor from Harvard, with a specialization in Bankrupty. So expect more races where a female former professor without any political baggage or experience will run, and win, on women’s issues that are masked as issues for families, for the “middle class”. It is my opinion that Elizabeth Warren will run for president in 2016 and will become the nominee. And more and more women will move into elected office and those women will push issues favorable to women as their primary agenda masking those issues as “for children”, “for education”, “for families”.
Also, the story of the next four years will be stagnation on issues involving spending, spending cuts, unless it is a measure that effects women. Then public opinion, the media, and the army of women will coerce the Republican legislature into caving. When there are cuts or spending deals to be made, expect the deal not to cut things that would have a more direct effect on women and pushed towards cuts that will affect men. If defense is cut, that effects men, fewer soliders, fewer defense contracts. Expect less stimulus spending on infrastructure, again more jobs for men. Expect this ongoing deal, tax cuts for the wealthy or business in exchange for what women want. Expect head start, health benefits, food stamp progams, education, aid to dependent children to be untouched. Expect more legislation like WAVA and IMBRA. Expect an EEO interpretation that further broadens sexual harrassment and sexual discrimination.
You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. They see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them. And if you are not useful to them, if you do not provide those things that they wish from you, actually, more correct to say, those things they need from you, then you will not be a part of their lives.
And they are earnest and driven in structuring society and the law in such a manner that you are no longer needed.
They are now avoiding marriage in droves, deferring pregnancy and motherhood, and using men, more and more, as forms of recreation and, less and less, as a necessary partner in the scheme of life as they are defining it. Their job and their female friends are more important to them than you are. They are celebrating and defining single motherhood as the form of child rearing preferrable to a two parent household.
And you should expect the bad behavior of women in relationships and in social situations to only get worse. There is a massive demographic shift that has been occuring since the end of the birth control. Compare the dearth of child bearing age women against the number of men from 19-55 that chase those women, men that throw deals and enticements at the feet of those women, with the rise in social media mechanisms available today that permit women to be approached and have those deals thrown at their feet, and you have a recipe for more trouble ahead for men. Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women. If you wish to see the impact of demographic discrepancy on female behavior, study the history of Wyoming. Men literally had to pay women to have relationships and she shopped for the best offer. She would go to a dance with one man and leave with another because she received the better offer.
So, I say to all of you, on this key date, this moment of national introspection that occurs every 4 years on election night when the character of our society unveils itself in the form of the ballot, we most certainly have entered into a new era of history. I call it the PostModern because I can only define it right now as what it isn’t and I am not yet able to define it for what it is. You can call it Post Industrial. You can call it the Third Wave, the first being agriculture, the second being industrial.
But you can expect to see the world, society, and the relationships between men and women begin to organize in other means, other forms, other measures, than anything that has ever come before. The Modern Era, for as long as we have any sort of social memory has been organized along the lines of the family and the marriage between men and women. Everything was based on this, from work, to taxes, to even how houses are aligned along steets, neighborhoods are built, and how maps are drawn.
You need a new paradigm, new thinking about how you filter the information that your senses provide you and what you make of it. You need to question any value, any moral, any religion, your patriotism, your chivalry, your male code of conduct, any generalization, any stereotype, any caricature, anything that is an artifact from the Modern Era. And you need to replace it with something, something more PostModern. You can’t look back any fucking more. Those days are gone and will never, never return.
Start with this statement right here and make it the first declaration in who you are, what you will be, and will do, what you won’t be and what you won’t do, and how you judge and think about the world
“I will be nobody’s fucking slave and nobody’s fool”.
You owe nobody anything. You owe women nothing. You owe society nothing. All of those things, those forces, those structures wish to impose a slavery on you and you need begin to reject it right now. You need redefine to yourself, “What it means to be a man.” And you need to begin to live that declaration of what it could, should, and would to be a man if you filter that determination with the first filter.
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”.
We will stop being men that are useful to women, useful to society and start being men that live life on their terms. You have a power that you give away. We voluntarily let chains be placed on you because we think that is what “The Good Man” does.
Re-evaluate everything.
Revolt.
You cannot change where the world and society is going. But you have the power to change your life so that you live it on your own terms. There will be no “macro” solution to the angst that you are feeling. There will be no grand social movement to correct the wrongs that you experience in your dealings with women and in how society views and what it expects from men.
But you have the solution in your hands.
Game.
Not just “Game” as pick-up lines, but “Game” as a way of viewing women, as a way of viewing life, as a way of reconstructing what is right and what is wrong, as a way of reacting to the changes that are beyond your control, as a way of dealing with the structural and social changes that already have come and inevitably are coming.
Don’t worry about the world, worry about your world.
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool.
Ever.
So when future historians look back on this PostModern time and make generalizations of this age, let them say:
“It was time when the men started being men, free men, that lived free, and no longer accepted the roles as slaves that society and women had imposed on them.”
November 8th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Women have never cared for anything but themselves. Women value themselves first, second and third. Their priorities are security first and then entertainment. This have never been any different throught history. They don’t care about their own children even. Here’s something from the history books:
Source: http://www.deremilitari.org/RESOURCES/SOURCES/lopes.htm
November 8th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Start your own business and hire mostly or only men.
November 8th, 2012 at 8:35 am
The problem now, JC, is that most of the Cubans that voted republican came here thanks to Castro’s 1959 revolution. Those people are dying now. Their sons and daughters, most notably Diaz-Balart, Rubio and Ros-Lehtinen vote in favor of restrictions (less flights to Cuba etc). Those people lost even more votes. Now, the young generation, most of them have a grandparent in Cuba they have never seen in 15 years. Now, even those who entered this country thanks to the Cuban Adjustment Act (wet feet, dry feet policy) and the political refugees want to visit Cuba several times a year. You’ve got to be crazy to go back several times to the country you escaped from. Obama took advantage of that craziness.
November 8th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Another great post that touches on some key points. I do not have the time to go into this area and from skimming the comments I have noticed at least one poster who has clued into this factor not represented in the article.
The socio-economic pressures that are being applied to the entire world (not just the Western world) will eventually create an environment where women no longer have the luxury of dictating how life operates. Simply put, things are ‘too good’ right now in society here in the West, there is no hard life or sacrifices being made. The state provides financial support to all who are unwillingly or unable to participate in the labour force and as a whole, society in general.
We live in a debt based society, and for the first time in human history every major economy is on the same fiat system. This is an experiment that transcends genders, on a grand scale. Since every fiat or debt based currency has ultimately gone to its intrinsic value of 0, it isn’t hard to see that a system that requires exponential credit (debt) growth cannot sustain itself in perpetuity.
We won’t have to worry about perpetuity, the debt is now staggering and you are witnessing the slow death of the US empire and its hold on the most powerful position a country can have in the day of Fiat: The World’s Reverse currency. I won’t go into the power this has afforded the West, the point is people’s habits, including mating, will shift as their economic prowess declines and sacrifices that once seemed trivial or even unimaginable, start to become reality.
Women are the biggest benefactor of fiat currency systems, an area I have seen the Manosphere skim over at best, completely ignore at worst. Economics (marco and micro) impact and influence mating habits, thus, they influence game. In summary, history is your best friend. When society has the luxury of affording itself ‘problems’ like getting more women into the powerful positions in government, shaming others for not having the latest Iphone #43459042, PVR’ing Honey Boo Boo and fighting over how soon Christmas music should start playing after Halloween, we see shit like this from Women, and Men, to a lesser extent. We don’t have daily concerns that force us back into our ancestral state of alertness. Our native instincts have been dulled from the advancement of society.
When Men and Women have to:
– Consciously plan out their meals in advance
– Put a higher value on safety in society (crime rates rise out of necessity)
– Find new ways of replacing goods and services society gifted (daycare, welfare, food stamps, student loans, etc)
– THINK FOR THEMSELVES
Then, and only then will you see a shift back towards traditional gender roles. Women will not give up what they have until they have a more powerful force applied to them. In this case, it will be the sobering reality of economics, and the principle that everyone has to pay up, eventually. This ‘free ride’ which the entire world has been on since the 70’s when Nixon convinced the World to abandon the Gold standard is about over.
I find it sad that the only free market mechanism in place today to stop the tide of Feminism from driving right over the cliff is Greed. Excessive Greed. I would much rather hold my head up high and pronounce to the Manosphere that Men will take back this world by simply being Men.
This is not the case, Men will take back the world out of necessity and survival. Empires fall when Women rise to power, once most (if not all ) current foes are vanquished. Simply put, it is often a luxury society foolishly affords itself when it has nothing better to do or worry about, when it propels woman above men. We built this, then we gave it to them, not the other way around.
November 8th, 2012 at 9:40 am
You know, i can’t help but sit back and laugh a bit tho. If the Repubs stopped being idiots and put Ron Paul up against Obama… dollars to donuts it would have been something else. Whatever you think of him, had he been given the same air time to speak his views, and just imagine how he’d brutalize Obama in a debate based on facts and not fluff. Here’s a guy who always speaks his mind regardless of the ‘current’, doesn’t flip flop and has always maintained his convictions.
But alas, the party of war, the party of destroying families to fight another little countries battles continually derides him and his foreign policy as crazy. So you guys keep putting up the likes of Mitt the cardboard cut out who panders to the binders full of women.
Do you think Ron would have answered that girls 72 cent on the dollar question a touch differently?
Hell, while i was watching CNN in the aftermath i noticed a Republican strategist dude say something that stunned me, because it’s something i always new since before the invasion of Iraq when i was firmly in the antiwar camp. Now some are finally waking up to that fact. A little too late for this round tho.
http://www.dailypaul.com/262249/alex-castellanos-cnn-just-said-ron-paul-movement-is-the-future-of-gop
With all his ‘radical’ ideas of gutting the fed, stopping the US from being a war economy, and telling foreign nations to fend for themselves instead of mooching at your teet, and defending them without waivering in the media.. do you think he wouldn’t have the nerve to put radical feminists and their demands into the trash heap?
Lord knows i hope the old codger has one more run left in him. That guy can seriously pull in money for a run. I’m not too sure about his son tho. He’s more of a neo con on foreign policy.
Oh well, i’ll just continue sitting poolside up north and hope for the best.
November 8th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The crux of the problem is that Men are individualists and Women are collectivists. When male brawn became irrelevant (due to modernization, daddy government and female voting) the collectivist nature of women gradually edged out male interests.
Men need to unite for their common good, recognizing the new paradigm. Women have.
November 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I respect Mark Minter’s posts a lot, though they need to be filtered through the lens of his obviously painful and soul-crushing experience. Politically I think he is wrong, but others here tackled that issue (so did VD). And I genuflect to YaReally, who has the voice of true “been there” wisdom – there can be no doubt that he lives what he says. But I have a few quibbles.
The CONS here, unless they are Churchians at heart, should be grateful that the anti-birth control stuff turned off voters. You DO realize that if Paul Ryan and the various GOP state legislatures had their way, not just abortion but ALL birth control would be banned? Look at what they passed the past two years, all they did was birth control laws (not at all focusing on jobs jobs jobs !). If that shit ever takes over nationwide then don’t you PUA’s realize that P in V – the whole purpose of Game – is effectively OUTLAWED? No pill, no i.u.d, no rubbers, no morning-after pill, no male b.c. pill, no personal right of privacy so the Gummint can outlaw fucking (and all sex acts) “outside of procreation” – so no more fuckee fuckee. And since the Gummint wants babiez and it won’t pay for them, those paternity laws we love so much will be the DIKTAT. Roissy, Roosh and YaReally will be cut down by the first bad blood test and will have to do their clubbing wearing their accidental bio-kids in Snuglis, buying drinks within their court-ordered monthly personal spending allowances.
Not a very libertarian approach, I must say.
I pointed out on Mangan’s site that Teh Feminizizm as we know it was a REACTION to the sexual revolution of the 50s/60s – one of the sequelae – not a cause or a motivating force. The wimmins got mad that the boys were talking action riot and revolution while the gals were told to make sammiches and do the laundry like their moms. Using Marxist/Maoist dialectic they shouted back – and the boys really had no good answer and shamed themselves. Hence the anti-sex and “menz is EVILLL” attitudes of the 70s, which I saw first hand and up close. I confess it took years for me to get past, recovering my ability to talk to a girl without fearing arrest and jail for having insufficient charisma in my approach.
Let’s not get too overly rigid about sex roles – the Israelis have had women soldiers, and officers, for decades, and I don’t see anyone calling their armed forces wimpy.
Now where Minter and YaReally have it right right right is that men should follow their own paths and not give two cunt hairs what society thinks of them. THIS IS THE SHIT. It always has been. Be a PUA or not, fine, but STOP LOOKING OVER AT WHO MIGHT BE LOOKING BACK. When I finally learned this a whole new world opened to me. Too many married cuntboys are all worried about what the neighbors think – and if you’re not going to fuck them, well, FUCK THEM. They’re probably less interested in you than you think anyway, unless you attention-grab. So of course don’t be stupid – keep your heads down, don’t wake up the sleeping dragon of the clucking gosspiers and PC police as you do your thing.
November 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@thebloggerssoliloquy
You enquired as to “how this applies in other countries like the UK, parts of Africa, China, the Arab world, South America and so on.”
As to Africa, the Nigerian writer, Chinweizu, outlined in great detail how gender relations adversely affected the male in his seminal work “Anatomy of Female Power”, first published in 1990.
He remains unmarried.
You should be able to access it at either of the following pages –
http://therawness.com/anatomy-of-female-power-download-and-discussion-page/
John O.
November 8th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I agree with Revo Luzione, word for word. Either I’m a super alpha male and don’t realize it, or some of you guys are whiny as fuck.
I’d also like to add: men have a decreasing amount of responsibility for society, women are literally voting themselves out of the chance of EVER being taken care of by men, and you guys are actually complaining. This means not only do you love women more than they love you, but you love them more they love themselves. If that isn’t beta, I don’t know what is.
I sincerely hope the comment section of this blog doesn’t gradually turn into the Spearhead’s. Rollo is great, and I enjoy Welmer’s content, but the type of people that the “manosphere” is attracting seem like the classic bitter white beta. There is a reoccurring theme of “one day society will fall, and then women will see! They need us!” Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t want women to “need” me. I don’t want a wife who is only with me because she can’t afford to take care of herself. I don’t want women in society to “pretend” to have respect for men, because they have no choice. I like to see their true nature, I like to see how they treat different types of men and how they rationalize this behavior to themselves. I like the truth.
Red pill knowledge, self-awareness, and an understanding of female psychology has provided me with a better life than 99% of men who have ever lived, and I’m not even rich. See the world for what it is and make the best of it.
November 8th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
A fun rant, which can’t be taken too seriously, except to acknowledge a clear sense of suffering and impotence, hence the wishful quote from future historians looking back at the men who finally fought back:
“It was time when the men started being men, free men, that lived free, and no longer accepted the roles as slaves that society and women had imposed on them.”
But this is utter fantasy. Women are simplying complicit, not the source.
The election does seem to be about complicity, where moneyed interests (led largely by powerful men) are ever tightening their grip on power, and Obama tells the story women want to hear (that they’ll get a share of the loot for following status quo), versus Romney’s story that the men will get a share of the loot for following status quo. But in reality a president has very limited power, and deficit spending will continue under any leadership now, and all nobel efforts of austerity will be reversed quickly, just like any addict going into withdrawal, will power only exists because someone else is holding you down. So nothing short of
It was interesting to watch a Frontline bio on the two candidates, such divergent backgrounds. At least I got a sense of Romney’s tenacity to keep fighting, but you might as well call him feminine for his ability to remake himself into whatever image was needed, and that’s apparently what politicians have to do – shift themselves into whatever forms get them into power.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/frontline-documentary-explores-the-lives-of-romney-and-obama/
I accept the cultural war exists, and the middle class as we know it is disappearing, and no social safety net will stop that, and empowering the 0.01% to have less restrictions on their freedom won’t restore middle class prosperity either.
But it may yet be, the Siren call to destruction is indeed feminine, even if it exists inside of men, rather than the women who exploit it.
We need more men who are mature (whatever that mans), more men who can see through the complicity that middle class demands (and resist the easy paths of comfort for following rules of advantage). Real men are needed, like Kiplings poem “if” to his son. But the question is “Who do you serve?”, and its not about slavery or fantasy slavery, but playing a noble role in the play of civilization.
http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
‘ Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!
November 8th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
@OlioOx
“You all have to understand: Modern Western women are completely capable of running the WHOLE SHOW; they’ll just run it less well and they’ll NEVER have to go without a bit of male help. Western man has built a political and technological world that CAN be run by women, and only a few men are REALLY necessary for certain things.”
You leave out other countries that actually insentivize their men. We will be out stripped militarily and our power will wither. New drones will be made by other countries that are more advanced and blow ours out of the sky. Without the intuitive and raw economic input from male labor, we don’t stand a chance.
Are women capable? Yes. To a limited degree. Are they biologically driven to produce the way men are? No. Not in the slightest. This ultimately ends the same way Rome did. With barbarians at the gates. It aint pretty, but it’s the truth. And no amount of girl power is going to stop it.
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November 8th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Woman are the enemy.
They are poisoning us men and our offspring with toxic music, food and thoughts.
They are having fewer kids, meaning lower fertility (sorry bud, women ONLY can give birth).
They are voting for presidents that will STEAL YOUR MONEY and give it to women who will give it right back to the 1% (i.e. oligarchy, illuminati, rich bankers).
If we do not stop these idiots for taking over, we will be in a living hell with little to no children, disease, poverty, unemployment, bastard kids running amock, zero marriage, etc.
Newton:s law of motion…
A body in motion stays in motion….
We will continue to see more of the depravity and stupid crap UNTIL WE STOP IT.
We need an organization…
We need funding…
We need lawyers..
We need a professional body that works 24/7 to advocate for our rights and help destroy a lot of these problems before they become hopeless.
This essay is only the beginning…..
November 9th, 2012 at 2:02 am
It’s like watching a horror movie, only I’m in it.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:02 am
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool.”
How many times do you have to say this for it to be so?
I’m sure you think you have ways against being someone’s slave, but what are your defenses against being someone’s fool?
Cause the refrain here seems to be “All you can do is look out for yourself and pursue your own interests — which is the mark of an alpha,” which sounds a lot like, oh, hypergamy. And you have no problem calling women who follow that concept both fools and slaves.
Or maybe it’s different because you have a dick?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Guys, please
from a fellow red-piller here
I wrote 28 pages well researched single spaced developing on the genetic and metaalgorithmic implications of the feminine imperative concept Rollo has championed. I am a victim myself of the feminized system and I am personally staked in fighting it for my own children and creating a future, of any kind, for them.
So echoing the concerns of other commentators about the manicheanism being echoed here…
Stop
Please relax, please take a deep breath.
You are in a cognitive place of real danger. The decisions you make now, right now, will place the stake hard into where this goes and what comes of it.
In the past, when people have made conscious connection with a new explanatory idea, the insight and rush that comes from the insight has been too strong a temptation and what could have been an excellent theory that forms the basis of widespread real world prosperity growing application (i.e.:classical mechanics, market capitalism, relativity, “game theory” from decision science, not the PUA kind) turns instead into a dialectic and/or dogmatism (I.e.: marxism, monotheism, ayn rand objectivism, hell-market capitalism and yes I know I included it in both lists) which, if they are applied in the real world, lead to disaster, but usually never even get that far because thei own cults canibalize them first.
The end need not be nigh. We have good information. It isn’t too late. There is a way.
So:
1) Rollo, please keep to your instincts, no politics here, they have made a blighted gutter of heartiste, for god’s sake man guard your brand
2) one thing that can work is starving the beast, many are on to this already, it costs you nothing to stop feeding it. Scratch that: it costs you your chains. Pay up
3) this is my contention, I believe in face to face conversation I could bring over more than 90% of you to seeing why its true in 10 minutes or less and I’m a technocrat here … I really know what I’m talking about, so cue is here, drum roll:
It’s affirmative action stupid
That is it. Correct (not necessarily meaning replace) but merely correct affirmative action and that + starve the beast + male birth control … we will reverse this.
And, may blow your minds, but either the GOP or the dems may find it in their interests to do the correction. And yes, it is possible.
But, no … i’m not going to develop the idea here. This is a site for genetic imperatives and sex.
And, for the love of god men, for chilling out.
Seriously, the WORST you should expect from Obama take two is a 4% increase on the top marginal rates paid now by alpha males who are making useful idiots of all of you by making you fight their battle to not pay for the last two wars the same way the wealthy of your grandparents day were asked to pay for WWII, because your grandparents fought the war and their kids went to yale, and since they DID pay for it, you have prosperity today. Yes: 70% marginal tax rates on the equivalent of $5 mil in todays dollars, effected on 1945 and rescinded when no longer required, CAUSED today’s prosperity.
You don’t know everything. Chill and keep learning.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Better yet, don’t start a business and let the ship sink. You’ll just lose all your hard work at the whim of some bureaucrat if he/she so decides anyway. For the first time in my life I feel good about not getting a raise. All I have to do is buckle down my belt and add less to the economy. Forwards!
November 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
A powerful post, but a little too fatalistic, for the simple reason of resources.
Overwhelmingly it is men who create wealth in the capitalist economies and start up most small businesses (even in the face of huge disparities in grant available to women over men). Small businesses have created 70% of new jobs in the US economy over the last decade and this is where the pinch will be felt first as small businesses go by the wayside.
Yes, women now control the popular vote and government spending but they don’t create the wealth in the private sector to pay for it. As more and more men “Go Galt” and head (metaphorically or literally) for the hills, the model becomes unsustainable. This is Captain Capitalism’s Weltanschauung; earn just enough to enjoy yourself, but stay below the radar of tax. Get a vasectomy and don’t bother to create new businesses or wealth as the marginal returns are so low. Cynical, but over the medium to long term, devastating for the Big Daddy State model and entirely within the ambit of most men. Men just don’t need much money to survive fairly well.
Secondly, the reason these spending patterns have been created over the last couple of decades is because of the obverse of the “angry old men” of Democratic cliche. Angry old women (overwhelmingly second gen feminists) STILL vote in huge numbers. As these women die off, women now under 30 will start to become prominent. Yes, they’ve been inculcated in the “yougogrrl” shibboleths of old, but they’ve seen the effects of female hypergamy in a world shorn of female censure, specifically in the college system. They’re not happy with it. I wouldn’t put my mortgage on it, but I can certainly foresee a future America where many women will vote much more conservatively because of the experiences of their youth.
Either way, going Galt takes the power away from the feminized state and tears down the curtain of the Wizard of O.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Ah you all forget, the future is clear and China will be the world’s savior.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I agree with some of this, but I don’t believe men should live life in isolation, to me, “taking care of your world” means choosing the right people to be in it. Meaning, choose the right woman to be in it too, if you desire one. There was a time when men looked after women, even ones they didn’t know, but today, not so. As my grandfather once said, “if you’re not in my life, you’re just another man on the street”, or in this case, just another woman.
Bottom line: If she’s not in your life, you don’t owe her a damn thing.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I’m curious as to the reader’s of this blog’s psychosocially admitted status: are the majority of you in your 30’s, divorced, married, kids, considered legitimately attractive by both member’s of the opposite & equivocal sex, wealthy, etc…?
I ask because after spending a seemingly ridiculous amount of time researching every aspect of the “manosphere” on the internet, I can’t conclude as to whether or not being actively aware or proactively engaged in such discussion actually hampers one’s ability or promotes one’s growth as a human, in a positive manner.
Does that make sense?
In other words, are the people here, and other “manosphere” blogs people whom one would strive to aspire to become similar to in lifestyle, habits, talents, etc…? Or, are the majority of people here those who are brilliantly capable of pondering such things as discussed on blogs like these, however can only manage the intellectuality of what activities behaviorally speaking these blogs & others condone, envisage, & promote/provoke – for better or for worse, at time’s?
November 10th, 2012 at 4:48 am
@blackbird.young
“Does that make sense?”
Not really. Actually your passive-aggressive shaming piece (no matter how convoluted, or pretentious) tends to reveal more about your own outlook more than any perceived psychosocial “type” you might here (or anywhere else).
Posters on manosphere blogs are as varied as any other area of interest. You’ll find married, divorced, single, young, middle-aged and retired and most income brackets to boot. They’ll tend to have a certain pragmatic cynicism (born of experience) of those that suck on the Government teat and they’re mostly men (go figure – but with a surprisingly large female contingent).
Frankly, I couldn’t care less about their background and nor could most others. Why are you so obsessed about it? (and would we “strive” to become you??)
November 10th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Roosh has just posted his review of the 1971 anti-feminist classic, “The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar. MARK MINTER and everyone, read this book!
I obtained a rather clunky PDF version of the 2009 edition of Vilar’s book, containing her updated Introduction, and produced a nicely-formatted more readable version with Georgia font and many corrections (actually this is my second version with even more corrections):
http://www.2shared.com/document/FNyulwEI/Esther_Vilar_-_The_Manipulated.html
November 10th, 2012 at 6:11 am
“I swear by my life and love of it that I will never live my life for another man, nor will I ask another man to live for mine.”
Ironic that the philosophy that defines the reality of our era, and of the only valid response that a free man can give, was written by a woman.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:01 am
JP: Sounds like Ayn Rand? She was not the first person to express that sentiment; I can’t think of who might have said something to that effect first but I’m sure it was no woman. And what you have there between your quotations is not a philosophy; it’s just a slogan. What lies behind it may or may not be worthy of the name ‘philosophy.’
Read Whittaker Chambers’ review of Atlas Shrugged — and be sure you look up this Mr. Chambers on Wikipedia to get an idea of someone who would have the effrontery to criticize the Grand Ms. Rand:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/222482/big-sister-watching-you/flashback?page=1
November 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am
@blackbird
26. Never married. Awesome career. Recently left my first girlfriend after almost 2 years to be a PUA again. The more I swallowed the red pill, the higher my standards became I realized she wasn’t cutting it. It’s going to be pump and dump city until I find a girl who isn’t someone else’s trash.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
… those spirited waters … that unconquered cleft … those hidden quarters … that unhinged theft … to mourn the knaves … and damn the school … for I’m your slave … and you’re my fool …
November 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
As I said in a previous comment, what Mark said bears many truths.
When I read this I knew I could agree with most of what he stated. Though observing what inaction is present does little to change it, the first step of being aware tends to change at the very least those around you.
“Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police.”
Last night I spoke with a girl who wants me to move in with her. In no uncertain terms she expressed how easily & verifiably little trouble she’s been able to get into. With those she’s related to in power, it’s doubtless she’ll forever remain independent of her surrounding’s law’s – their legally binding punishment served only to men who dabble in not squandering a single moment, as they know their right’s are unassailable & freedom is only a term used by those who with money have paid for their earned power to do so – to the point that she is handed whatsoever she wants, and what men in question (in relation to her own dalliances) are punitively dealt with in replacement of her own known choice’s surrounding what action’s she percieves as requittal of boredom: a boredom bred by the freedom of allowing one who knows oneself as attractive & able to bypass judgement based on simply existing as attractive, which results in her & every other typically treated as a “girl” woman, at least as far as I’ve seen.
Were what she does on a daily basis enacted by men of equal or to greater degree’s elder ages, they’d be incarcerated & characterized by the women such as herself who victimize existing.
Problem is, some men, the majority of them, can’t help but supplicate the first-perceived innocence abundantly represented by her very being – flexible, reactive, curious, teachable, & proactively submissive to those who in her environment have the mental contortion to avidly participate in condoning or not allowing certain behaviors.
So, like the rest of ‘her’ & the modern women we typically meet today, one can only know that one is the Father in her mind, unless one is the Son.
Being Beta to a woman is being the child to a girl. She will raise & play with what toy she believes she has been given.
Being Alpha to a woman is being the Father to a human. He will teach & give what toy’s he’s choosing to availably offer – typically in the form of his Self enjoying His self.
What’s rare & unusual is the woman who actually percieves herself as equal to a man, thus treats him accordingly. That’s what past feminist’s wanted, & what typically used or abused women cry for – also misused by their very selves who choose to act & be as they were, in a way which gave them emotionally substantive reasoning to believe that their counterpart’s, the men they choose to be with, are that very specific evil they in being with complain about behaving as they wish a magical stranger with earned power & money will one day offer, until it’s too late.
Men are the same way, however, seem to strive to work for what they are given, in that it requires giving one’s self the ability to earn what’s sought after. Monetarily, politcally, philosophically, religiously, etc…
Because most of us were raised in cult-like broken homes to a certain degree, and many hold to the belief that what they See is Right, nothing will change as nothing has changed for the entirety of our fictionalized history.
Few people even know who John Dee is. Many more believed (most still do) that he was a madman. Funny how the maddest of individuals as judged in recording them typically know far more than the most sane of people reading about them.
Gonna read the comment’s above now, as I assume there’s some excellent perspective to gain. And apparently I thought whoever see’s this should know that. Otherwise, why did I write it?
November 10th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
At Pirran. There are multiple people that use this blog. I honestly don’t know any of them.
I’m curious because I want to know why I spend my time reading this information, and if in the end it will be of value. One way to judge it’s value is to compare myself to those who exist in active intellectual relation to these topics presented & discussed by other’s similarly interested, and to see if, or why, I’d feel it positive to believe something similar. Because I don’t know what I will be doing 5 years from now, and if those who understand or find value in discussing these things aren’t successfully happy, I don’t see a reason in continuing to massage this spectrum of thought.
It’s like a Christian reading about Buddhism, or an Atheist studying Christ.
And also, to add something to give a little more clarity to my comment’s, I find it fascinating that so many people tend to believe anything they read, & try my hardest to offer a solution to that quandary, by being honest when I comment about only what I know via experience.
Years from now I doubt I’ll care to even remember what words I’ve spilt into the “manosphere”, because years from now I won’t be dealing with what issues I have with my own variety of choices made up until this point, as it will be.
My tone is never intended to be condescending – as I respect everyone who has the willingness to speak their mind on whatsoever they desire – though I can see how others may perceive incorrectly. I’d just say smile & tread lightly – doing only what you know is right for you, and if that means turning what you see as negative into a negative response, do so – otherwise you’ll be bothered by any word that may or may not actually ring true.
In variable tone: what I say is meant for myself & what few others may relate to what little I say that actually matter’s. Otherwise I’d use my real name, post youtube videos of what I do, and not keep reality to myself.
November 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
[…] and minorities were behind it. On The Rational Male, the regulars are debating the merits of a post-election manifesto from a fellow named Mark Minter, originally posted as a comment on Roosh’s Return of Kings […]
November 12th, 2012 at 4:47 am
“It still will not stop the inevitable erosion of the position of men, not only in America, but throughout the rest of the world.”
Bwahaha! Women can’t build or sustain a great civilization, hell they can barely contribute anything to it. It’s not for nothing that a decaying civilization is historically called effeminate. Civilizations that have a large female input will simply collapse and be replaced by a dictatorship which won’t allow itself to be destroyed by feminine stupidity. That’s what’s happening in the U.S. and the rest of the West now. Unless feminine multiculturalism is destroyed soon, for example, large swaths of Europe will be taken over by Muslims, then so much for your ascending women.
From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.
November 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Heh heh heh heh, “embrace the suck” indeed.
Don’t forget that the laws, regulations, guidelines, best practices, “dear colleagues” and whatnot are for the most part pushed through by unelected bureaucrats. Voting as such won’t help.
November 12th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Elizabeth Warren: A great day for Native Americans, yeah?
November 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
“They are simply gaming women and instead of getting sex they are getting a vote.”
Stingray, oh lord but that cuts to the heart of it.
November 26th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Why is there so much dependance on women for your own definitions of self? Why do so many of you have to hate/belittle women to maintain your own identity?
How is it that a system run by females would disregard males entirely when it isn’t, apparently, trying to destroy them, but our current male-dominated system seems to settle fine with you?
Finally – When women gain sufficient power to not feel bound to their current social role – as caretakers and servers – what would split the ‘men’s’ fields from the women’s? Why would infrastructure still be primarily male-based, for example, when women begin to breach the engineering fields?
Why a constant war rather than a defiance of boundaries?
November 27th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
[…] Mark Minter, paging Mark Minter, please report to the comments section, thank you. One element I find interesting in feminist men is a desire to experience the same so-called liberation from a masculine gender role assignment that feminist women claim to have. It’s as if the feminine identification isn’t complete unless they can tap into that same gender straightjacket indignation release women do – they can’t be ‘equals’ unless they suffer a similar (albeit self-constructed) gender role release. This is the level of conviction Vichy Males strive for. […]
December 6th, 2012 at 11:53 am
CassMan I know this is an old thread but if you are notified of follow-up comments via email please reach me at mina@udonet.com I would like to discuss your comment about the Global Socio-Economic collapse and how it relates to male/female gender relations. I found your comment extremely insightful and totally in alignment with my beliefs as to where we are today and where we are heading.
I have no idea where an email conversation would take us but this is an area that deserves detailed analysis and exploration. I’d love to know if you have done any or know anyone who has and if not maybe you would be interested in doing so.
The link between feminism and global surplus seems to be an unexplored area at this time but I think it could be tremendously important to the continuity of our civilization going forward and our resilience in dealing with the changes that are coming. Bringing some focus to it in the manosphere would be a really good thing, IMO.
I hope to hear from you.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I ust felt some retarded compulsion to this post. It’s easy to get wrapped up in his energy, someone above was quite acurate when he said it was like religious furvor. The fact is that Romney was a joke. In a way I agree, this ellection has been a watershed moment. The people in government will look and act different from this point on most likely, but in the end it won’t really matter. There won’t be a catastrophic collapse, nor will there be a great economic boom. Things will more or less proceed as they are.
But women are not fundimentally the enemy, their motivations are different, and because of those differences they will support different policies. Some of these policies will be horrible for men but that still doesn’t really mattter because men will adapt.
I like the idea of ammused dominance as a way of thinking about male/female relationships. It’s kind of what I do in my life.
It also concerns me greatly when I hear men side toward the republicans and some kind of “Traditional Family Values” as if that would fix everything. Like it or not those values were just as bad for men as feminism is now. People forget that at the time men “owned” their wives those same men could be hanged for the crimes committed by their wives, do you really want to go back to that?
I think the other thing we’re forgetting is that when we talk about women who hate men, we are not talking about the average pretty girl, or party slut. Were talking about an extreme minority of gay extra masculine women whom, if it werent for the fact that they are women, would be considered not just beta, but maybe even omega.
I’m currently a university student, and I can say although when asked all women are “feminists” most of those women don’t have a clue what it really means, or even care. The ones who self identify as true feminists are the ones who are the least attractive.
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that those “true feminists” didn’t scare the shit out of me, but what we need to realize is that feminism just like mra is not the domain of the “alpha” maybe there are a couple “hot” feminists but most of them are not fuckable.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:49 am
Hi there colleagues, good article and fastidious arguments
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February 2nd, 2013 at 5:03 am
I literally almost cried reading this. Brilliant.
May 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Mark Minter is an absolutly insane person. 1st off, we have been divorced for ten years, dont you think it is time to get over it? Secondly, if you Google me or look me up on FB you will get images of me and my current husband. I am 52 – 5’7 and 135 pounds, not quite the pig Mark makes me out to be – and oh yeah – my current husband is 44. On another note, the reason I Show up in Google searches is because I am an energy analyst who travels and gets paid to speak about the emerging US energy markets – I am clearly a moron.
Mark Minter has 2 children, including a 19 yr old daugther. He has never paid a dollar of child support in his life, so all of the crap he spews is crap. He has not worked in 5 years because no one will hire him. Amazingly, he has been fired from EVERY job he ever had. He lives with his sister because without her support he would be homeless. “I owe no one nothing” or whatever bllshit he said – oh yeah, he just owes his sister the food and roof she provides to a 57 year old “alpha”
“I go to Columia often” The last time Mark went to Columbia was 5 yrs ago when he emptied out his 401K to marry a Colimbian woman he met on the internet. (This was latter annuled at her request)
So much of the shit I have read in the past few days is stunning. I know the saying goes that”everyone’s reality is their own” but Mark is so wrapped up in his own little head that he is delunsional. He has twisted the stories of the past to something absurd. He is the biggest victim I have ever met and that is one of the main reasons I wanted a divorce.
This is the man that people are calling “great” – he is a bitter ass.
If you doubt I really am his ex wife – save yourself the worry -I really am, who would lay claim to this train wreck if it were not true? – I am sure you pigs who worship Mark have enough free time to spend digging on the web to verify the facts.
Enjoy your lives
May 19th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
You’d be more credible if you had a traceable gravatar profile or an IP to consider. Until then you’re just another anonymous commenter.
If you’re going to make claims like this, verification is the least anyone can ask.