As a personal rule I never engage in political discourse either on this blog or on the SoSuave forum. For the same reason I’m cautious about relating my own personal experiences as illustrations of larger social dynamics, so too am I not inclined to relate my political views because they pollute a clearer understanding of these dynamics with suspicions of bias. That bias comes in many forms – personal, moral, political, etc. and I make a conscious effort in every post I publish to focus strictly on the underpinnings of every dynamic I explore with a minimum of personal input.
I realize that observing a process will change it, but I make my best efforts to be an objective observer of whatever I explore. Sometimes those observations are complimentary to those who agree, and sometimes they’re insulting.
That said, some specific inter-gender social dynamics demand a recognition of elements that contribute to bias when that element is itself the social dynamic. Issues of morality, ethics and social conduct are the easiest examples of where the particulars of a truth run headlong into how the genders perceive or modify that truth to their benefit.
Our modern political landscape and how it has evolved according to gender specific influences is another dynamic that deserves observation. I understand even a cursory analysis of political dynamics is fraught with the dangers of speculation, bias and deliberately distorted perceptions, but these liabilities shouldn’t excuse us from making the attempt to analyze them.
What’s brought me to this subject today was a very profound comment made by none other than Mark Minter, a Rational regular and in my opinion one of the manosphere’s best assets. I’m going to repost his comment below and let it speak for itself. Some of his analysis I may disagree with, but really only in terms of his attention to details. However the majority of it I do agree with and I thought his observations needed a larger stage to be expressed upon.
Before you read this, let me be clear, I have never edited nor censored any comment (except spam) in the history of Rational Male no matter who comments or and no matter how I may disagree with what’s expressed. That said, I would ask that commenters on this post be conscious of its purpose – observation of the social dynamic. There is a plentitude of postings on which to comment about our political environment over at The Spearhead if you wish to vent your ideological frustrations. I’m interested in social mechanic of what Mark is proposing here.
This is my analysis of the election. And this is my manifesto.
Here you had a sitting president that had everything going against him in voter sentiment, ambivalent economic data, if not bad data, a general lack of confidence of his ability to be a significant leader, and still he could not be beaten by his opponent.
This has been the on going theme of my comments. Women are winning. Women are going to win and impose the changes on society that they wish and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was women. Pure and Simply. This election was about women. And the men lost. If the economy had improved even by a few percent more, then the election would never have been this close. Obama appealed to women and would’ve blown Romney away. Romney was only in the race because of his ability to run on the economy and the antipathy that conservative white voters have towards Obama. In the Senate races, Women won every race except for Maine where an independent candidate won, and the woman came in second. The conservative came in last.
The forces arrayed against you, socially, economically, and politically are insurmountable. You can scream, whine, blog, comment, whatever, and you will not turn back the march of history. Even if the number of Red Pill aware men increases ten fold in the next few years, it still will not stop the inevitable erosion of the position of men, not only in America, but throughout the rest of the world.
Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police. Whether you realize it or not, women are a bigger enemy to you than any Arab, any Iranian, any Chinese.
Your last chance to even slow this march was just lost. Democrats made a lot of hay about the Clint Eastwood presentation during the Republican convention where he used a chair as a prop and addressed a hypothetical Barrack Obama in the chair. It was said that was the essence of the Republican party, angry, old white men railing in their anger at a black Democratic president. And more and more of are those old, angry, white men are going to die and not be replaced in the pipeline. In 2016 there will be even fewer of them and more and more non-white voters will move onto the voting rolls to replace those white male voters that will die over the next four years. Obama received 93% of the black vote, 69% of the hispanic vote, and 74% of the Asian vote. Romney won 59% of white voters. There will a smaller percentage of white voters in every election cycle from here on out.
But the real issue was the gender gap. Women favored Obama, 54 percent to 44 percent, while men chose Romney by an almost identical margin, 53 percent to 45 percent. Mothers were more likely to support Obama (55 percent to 45 percent), while fathers sided with Romney (55 percent to 43 percent).
“Democrats effectively made the case that issues important to women, not just issues like abortion and reproductive rights but economic issues of equal pay and access to jobs, those issues resonated with women,” said Ron Schurin, a political scientist at the University of Connecticut. “The Romney campaign seemed at times to be tone deaf on those issues. They tried to make a case, they just didn’t do it effectively.”
The key race in the election cycle, the bellweather indicator of things to come, was the race between Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren. Expect this formula to be repeated by Democrats in subsequent elections. Elizabeth Warren was an academic, a law professor from Harvard, with a specialization in Bankrupty. So expect more races where a female former professor without any political baggage or experience will run, and win, on women’s issues that are masked as issues for families, for the “middle class”. It is my opinion that Elizabeth Warren will run for president in 2016 and will become the nominee. And more and more women will move into elected office and those women will push issues favorable to women as their primary agenda masking those issues as “for children”, “for education”, “for families”.
Also, the story of the next four years will be stagnation on issues involving spending, spending cuts, unless it is a measure that effects women. Then public opinion, the media, and the army of women will coerce the Republican legislature into caving. When there are cuts or spending deals to be made, expect the deal not to cut things that would have a more direct effect on women and pushed towards cuts that will affect men. If defense is cut, that effects men, fewer soliders, fewer defense contracts. Expect less stimulus spending on infrastructure, again more jobs for men. Expect this ongoing deal, tax cuts for the wealthy or business in exchange for what women want. Expect head start, health benefits, food stamp progams, education, aid to dependent children to be untouched. Expect more legislation like WAVA and IMBRA. Expect an EEO interpretation that further broadens sexual harrassment and sexual discrimination.
You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. They see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them. And if you are not useful to them, if you do not provide those things that they wish from you, actually, more correct to say, those things they need from you, then you will not be a part of their lives.
And they are earnest and driven in structuring society and the law in such a manner that you are no longer needed.
They are now avoiding marriage in droves, deferring pregnancy and motherhood, and using men, more and more, as forms of recreation and, less and less, as a necessary partner in the scheme of life as they are defining it. Their job and their female friends are more important to them than you are. They are celebrating and defining single motherhood as the form of child rearing preferrable to a two parent household.
And you should expect the bad behavior of women in relationships and in social situations to only get worse. There is a massive demographic shift that has been occuring since the end of the birth control. Compare the dearth of child bearing age women against the number of men from 19-55 that chase those women, men that throw deals and enticements at the feet of those women, with the rise in social media mechanisms available today that permit women to be approached and have those deals thrown at their feet, and you have a recipe for more trouble ahead for men. Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women. If you wish to see the impact of demographic discrepancy on female behavior, study the history of Wyoming. Men literally had to pay women to have relationships and she shopped for the best offer. She would go to a dance with one man and leave with another because she received the better offer.
So, I say to all of you, on this key date, this moment of national introspection that occurs every 4 years on election night when the character of our society unveils itself in the form of the ballot, we most certainly have entered into a new era of history. I call it the PostModern because I can only define it right now as what it isn’t and I am not yet able to define it for what it is. You can call it Post Industrial. You can call it the Third Wave, the first being agriculture, the second being industrial.
But you can expect to see the world, society, and the relationships between men and women begin to organize in other means, other forms, other measures, than anything that has ever come before. The Modern Era, for as long as we have any sort of social memory has been organized along the lines of the family and the marriage between men and women. Everything was based on this, from work, to taxes, to even how houses are aligned along steets, neighborhoods are built, and how maps are drawn.
You need a new paradigm, new thinking about how you filter the information that your senses provide you and what you make of it. You need to question any value, any moral, any religion, your patriotism, your chivalry, your male code of conduct, any generalization, any stereotype, any caricature, anything that is an artifact from the Modern Era. And you need to replace it with something, something more PostModern. You can’t look back any fucking more. Those days are gone and will never, never return.
Start with this statement right here and make it the first declaration in who you are, what you will be, and will do, what you won’t be and what you won’t do, and how you judge and think about the world
“I will be nobody’s fucking slave and nobody’s fool”.
You owe nobody anything. You owe women nothing. You owe society nothing. All of those things, those forces, those structures wish to impose a slavery on you and you need begin to reject it right now. You need redefine to yourself, “What it means to be a man.” And you need to begin to live that declaration of what it could, should, and would to be a man if you filter that determination with the first filter.
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”.
We will stop being men that are useful to women, useful to society and start being men that live life on their terms. You have a power that you give away. We voluntarily let chains be placed on you because we think that is what “The Good Man” does.
You cannot change where the world and society is going. But you have the power to change your life so that you live it on your own terms. There will be no “macro” solution to the angst that you are feeling. There will be no grand social movement to correct the wrongs that you experience in your dealings with women and in how society views and what it expects from men.
But you have the solution in your hands.
Not just “Game” as pick-up lines, but “Game” as a way of viewing women, as a way of viewing life, as a way of reconstructing what is right and what is wrong, as a way of reacting to the changes that are beyond your control, as a way of dealing with the structural and social changes that already have come and inevitably are coming.
Don’t worry about the world, worry about your world.
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool.
So when future historians look back on this PostModern time and make generalizations of this age, let them say:
“It was time when the men started being men, free men, that lived free, and no longer accepted the roles as slaves that society and women had imposed on them.”
Damn. That’s some real shit right there.
i feel sick
That is some real shit. What I would really like to see is how this applies in other countries like the UK, parts of Africa, China, the Arab world, South America and so on. Because even though the majority of men in those places certainly don’t have a deep understanding of game, it’s still different to many western areas. I would much appreciate it (and I’m sure others will) if someone could look at how the manosphere (or lack of it) is doing over there.
A very profound statement, thanks for re-posting it Rollo. Since swallowing the red pill almost a year ago, I realize that I’ve been gradually accelerating the pace of re-evaluation that Mark describes. It started with how I viewed and approached women but quickly broadened to my approach towards life as a whole. I’ve been questioning the value of my career relative to the sacrifices in time and limited future opportunities that it provides, my relationship with my faith and whether it truly is leading me towards spiritual fulfillment or endangering my well-being given the raw deal that marriage can potentially… Read more »
Women only have the power we as men give to them. When will the men of the world recognize this?
As usual, religion figured out these truths long ago and established social structures to prevent these problems of human nature. We have to learn the ancient lessons again, and boy is it going to be hell on earth for a while, but we will end up realizing that the old stigmas and rules were there to prevent the problems we are now heaping onto ourselves. I actually believe that at some point women will beg men to save her from her uncontrollable hypergamy that is ruining her life by re-instituting the old social stigmas against promiscuity and divorce. It however… Read more »
I wonder how many female vote decisions were changed at the last minute due to ovulation cycles heh…..
Acquire Gold, Silver, Guns and Ammunition.
Everyone likes to disparage liberals and treat conservatives as some bastion of hope, but really the liberal bashing is not unfounded, but the conservative hero-worship is likewise misplaced.
I am not arguing our society is going down due to a large part of weaker males, and namely women- it is. But to think replubicans were somehow the saving grace is a delusion- and we try to be about truth here.
Nothing men start to do, or start refusing to do, will make the slightest difference. Here’s why: Alphas, that is about 10% of males, have no reason whatsoever to change their behavior because they always get what they want. They don’t mind living in a matriarchy because the hottest women are always at their feet, and that’s all most men really want for a significant portion of their adult lives. And if they want anything else, women, controlling more and more of society, will always be happy to give it to them — because they’re alphas. Meanwhile, the other 80-90%… Read more »
Good post. I more or less agree — although I doubt Romney would have changed much. It was like choosing between Coke or Pepsi this year. You have to look at the Senate and House races, that’s where the real power lies, like he said. The key is the live the life we want to live. Don’t become a slave to outside influences. Maybe easier said then done, because there will always been men that want to put women on a pedestal and cater to their every whim. Until that is no longer the majority, I’m afraid we’re going to… Read more »
He should really start his own blog. *****“I will be nobody’s fucking slave and nobody’s fool”. You owe nobody anything. You owe women nothing. You owe society nothing. All of those things, those forces, those structures wish to impose a slavery on you and you need begin to reject it right now. You need redefine to yourself, “What it means to be a man.” And you need to begin to live that declaration of what it could, should, and would to be a man if you filter that determination with the first filter. “I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s… Read more »
@ OlioOx “Women won’t even take the trouble to notice what they’re doing. This is because a) women don’t need to depend economically on men anymore…” Just wait until everything starts falling apart, and we start reverting to a more primal way of life. Once the machinery that runs society crumbles due to the neglect by the guys going their own way, and gov’ts begin to cut everything due to lack of tax revenues, and law and order begin to give way to ararchy, rioting and civil unrest… you’ll see how fast strong independent fierce women start latching onto decent… Read more »
Wow! Not sure if the problem is the 44% of men or the 53% of women that voted for obama.
I call it the “long strike” and I just posted on it:
While I agree with most of what Mark says…men should be careful to not fall into the trap of isolation. While we owe nothing to anyone…that doesn’t mean you stop helping others or show some common human decency.
Your heart shouldn’t grow cold…while getting your heart stomped on is no way to live, neither is living bitter at the world and other people.
Worth reemphasizing how much contempt today’s women have for men, how much they instinctively frame us as instruments to their aims, and react with anger and shame when we don’t act the way they want.
One of Rollo’s most brilliant themes is to reveal to us just how much women expect men to live for them.
“Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police.” “You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you.” ************ I woke up up this morning and while I was in the shower I had already started to “Re-evaluate everything.” The two quotes above are the sum up… Read more »
He makes a lot of good points. I’d say overall that post was pure gold. However, he overlooks the one glaring, salient point: the economy. Any economy that has a bunch of men disincentivized from participation is doomed to fail, and fail hard. Men might live life on their own terms, but eventually someone’s gotta drill the oil, mine the rare-earths needed in the plasma TV’s, and grease the wheels of the nation. If there’s nothing in it for them, they’re not going to do it. Women’s gains are only going to last as long as there’s someone else to… Read more »
I like it, but it shouldn’t have taken him that long to just say “follow your own masculine imperative, fuck everything else” or “stop caring for society like a beta and start caring for yourself like an alpha.”
“Arguably, it’s one that’ll accelerate society towards collapse.”
The sooner society collapses the sooner we get to ridding the problem. That’s why when Obama was elected I figured we’d get the collapse sooner scenario. Some of my friends are wailing about the end of the country…I say find, let the country end. We will get back to our roots that way.
An advanced Western nation won’t COLLAPSE when women have more or less taken over every aspect; it will just run less well than before. And remember: The more wealth, power, and resources women control, the more they will be in a position to PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO MEN, to do what women and society feel is needed. What those incentives are, I leave to your imagination. There will always be strike breakers. Will the coming totally female-dominated society need ALL men to be on board? Or will it be able to bump along with only that proportion of men who choose… Read more »
Brilliant. I thought of writing something similar, but the took the words out of my mouth and in better form. Game (psychosocial dominance) is the only way to get what you want and with each passing day the more traditional forms (physical strength, logic) are becoming obsolete. Terrible for society, great for the alphas (even more free poon!).
What is the solution? Game? MGTOW? Move to a foreign land not polluted (yet) by Hollywood? Go ghost?
A discussion on concrete strategies would be most welcome. Anyone?
What percentage of the male population do you feel are required to disengage from society (producing, infrastructure, taxation, birth rates) before society reaches a break point?
Dare i say the sphere grows on an exponential level.
Hardly. It’ll collapse because an advanced western nation doesn’t exist in a vacuum. There are other societies out there that are not as matriarchal yet just as advanced as we are, and advancing further and faster than we are. China and India are minting more engineers, scientists, and entrepreneurs than the US and the west are. They also have most of the manufacturing base the west used to have. If they continue reducing their restrictions on trade, they’re going to continue to make gains in the world economy despite the fact that their economy is in a bit of a… Read more »
“Don’t worry about the world, worry about your world.”
Here, here. I refuse to get drawn into political discussions anyway; people are so emotionally invested it’s a waste of time. Once in a blue moon I can have a rational discussion with someone (usually a male) about these things. The rest is just spittle-infused, solipsistic, righteously indignant b.s. The internet has made it worse of course. Luckily some men have carved out a few corners of common sense. Thanks Rollo.
Dark wolf, if you just want to be a PUA, nothing changes. But if you’re more aware of the society-destroying nature of unrestrained hypergamy and the alpha/beta dichotomy, then you need to think. My take is that you need to have children and raise them to understand it all. Girls especially need to know how hypergamy can destroy their chances for a happy marriage and family, and destroy their children’s chances for a good upbringing. Let the liberals abort themselves to oblivion, their birthrates are already way below replacement. Play the long game, we’re talking perhaps centuries to ride this… Read more »
The real problem is democracy and it’s fake choices. Obama and Romney are two flavors of the same and neither has the power to change things.
PS: Shades of Howard Beale in “Network.”
“It may be the new paradigm, but it’s not a sustainable one.”
Nothing new here. The USA is on the “Road To Serfdom” (see F. A. Hayek) and picking up speed. Socialism is doomed to fail, always, every time.
There is a wide-scale transfer of wealth going on. What can be done about it? Two simple things to start:
1. Remain single
2. Take personal responsibility for birth control = remain childless
Extrapolating bitterness and paranoia do not a political model make. Men dominate all the important things: highest levels of government, military and economy. Let me know when that changes. “Men and Women in the 112th Congress While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.” Thats right folks, 83% of the Senate was before yesterday male.… Read more »
I’m the father of two boys, 8 and 5. Every day I wonder what life will be like for them as they grow older. I’m 43, and I’ve seen drastic changes over the past 20+ years in the way women behave. I work in an engineering organization and have seen how women are promoted. 10% of our engineers are women, because only 10% of women go to school for engineering, yet the company has repeatedly stated that we need to hire more women. As we have grown from a very small to small company, the engineering organization has promoted multiple… Read more »
Good comments from AnonJohn & OlioOx. Lots of butthurt beta from Mintner and in the comments section all around. Nothing has changed for alphas, it’s still good as it’s ever been if not bettter. Betas are still getting shit on. I know the CONS are all butthurt that their boy lost, but don’t make this out to be a gender thing. If you think Romney was running on some kind of MRA platform, you’re fucking delusional and better take another hit off that crack pipe. Romney is just as sucked into the conventional blue pill matrix as Obama is, if… Read more »
[…] this last night, but contributor Mark Minter over at Rational Male beat me to the punch with a brilliant analysis of Obama’s re-election and what this means for men as a whole. I won’t get into the […]
Well said Mark. I think this will be a long, slow process. Biological realities – like hypergamy and the inherent expendability of males – are deeply wired. Darker realities might yet lay ahead. As the last of our good men’s minds design technology to eliminate the heavy and dirty work… remote military gamers do the messy work abroad… one spoogeload fathers thousands… and as we’re unwittingly lobotomized pharmacologically, and hamstrung hormonally… we may find ourselves reduced to mere drones, as the human hive becomes one great big chattering HR department. Extreme perhaps, oversimplified maybe… but given how clearly it has… Read more »
I agree with everything in Mark Minter’s manifesto and the only thing everyone here can do is just try to live a healthy and happy life. Don’t get caught up in anything that endangers your health and happiness, do your best to only flow with positive energy, and above all have fun and smile. Eat well, exercise, meditate, pursue your interests, and live an interesting life. Let go of relying on other people for your own well being and get that from within. It’s easier said than done, but take little steps at a time and you begin to realize… Read more »
Agree with OlioOx.
System is set up in such a way that it simply does not matter if most people feel like they are getting a raw deal.
One has to work to pay bills and this is going to change anytime soon. If one works, taxes are mandatory which fund the state.
Women’s man is the state and it doesn’t ask for sex in return.
Life is too short to wait for collapse.
AnonJohn: apex fallacy.
The average woman nowadays has got it a lot better than the average man.
Adam: I guess dude, but I’m not average so I have no idea. Call it solipsism then eh? I bring up the point that the the highest levels of government, military and industry are dominated by men because, well, it means men still run everything important. Women have been given limited access to the top as well as had entire useless jobs created for them. People in the manosphere always bitch about the useless jobs created for women, often by women, but always in the context of a male dominated institution. It is possible that these jobs were created to… Read more »
Great post. I disagree with it only on points of nuance, but the substance is right on. The birth rate stats are scary, especially when you figure in single mothers. I’ve long contended that Ayn Rand was right on in Atlas Shrugged when she suggested that part of society would withdraw, but she’s wrong about what PART of society would do it. @HolySwordFarewell “the conservative hero-worship is likewise misplaced” I agree. The problem with Romney is that I got the distinct feeling that I was being played the fool – he might make minor societal changes at the fringe, he… Read more »
It’s Atlas Shrugged but with a find/replace of Women for Collectivists. I still thoroughly agree, but I’d recommend going to the original book to really make the concepts come alive.
I posted this yesterday and I think it relevant here, from Marcus Aurelius ~ Meditations Book II, 5. Every moment think steadily as a Roman and a man to do what thou hast in hand with perfect and simple dignity, and feeling of affection, and freedom, and justice; and to give thyself relief from all other thoughts. And thou wilt give thyself relief, if thou doest every act of thy life as if it were the last, laying aside all carelessness and passionate aversion from the commands of reason, and all hypocrisy, and self-love, and discontent with the portion which… Read more »
The female agenda and demographic that Mark faults here isn’t completely correct. The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was not due to women per se but due to single women. It’s the single women who’s values and norms are most at odds. Sure, the overall gender gap in this election has received a lot of media attention. But it’s a red herring. Whether one is married or not (rather than merely male or female) is a greater discriminant. And the gap is greatest of all between… Read more »
To the one’s who think this is not a problem…. Sure there were only a couple of changes this year, and probably only a couple before that. But you need to get your eyeball off of the tree and look at the forest. The trend is what is being discussed here, not the current poitn in time statistics (although quite honestly, those are becoming bad in some points). Bottom line is, men have been used for the last several decades and it is getting worse. Whites have been getting used for the last couple of decades and that too is… Read more »
At this point, I want make my question. I am a bit skeptical of the thinking and promotion of Mark Minter’s post. What many of the commenter are talking is what Team-Red summarized “only thing everyone here can do is just try to live a healthy and happy life. ” However, can you ignore the underlying sense of doom? Is it a good idea to really take to heart the line “women despise, they think little of you”? Does that thought of half the population hating you a motivating thought waking up in the morning or chatting up with any… Read more »
:+:+:++:+:+::+ Thank fucking god. I commend you for keeping Rational apolitical- while I believe divorce laws should be restructured, this debate does not need the conservative narrative but can be won on the the basis of equity alone. It attracts a crowd who are counter-productive to the game discussion- just look at the shithole that Chateau’s peanut gallery has become. I say thank god because I have written 5-10 comments over at Heartiste’s (my gateway to blogs like yours) which contradict his narrative that have all been modded. I have written 2-3 other posts not under the Shocker pseudonym that… Read more »
“The Muslim nations are outbreeding the US, and what they lack in technological advancement they’ll make up in sheer numbers.” I’m not sure what you’re worried about; Muslim nations are an economic joke. Thanks to corruption, what little wealth they generate amasses in 1% of the population while everyone else lives in poverty. Change is slow because people are distracted by religious (and tribal, in the case of Africa) strife to focus on progress. Depending on the country they might have natural resources but they don’t have the infrastructure or the volume to compete with China, Russia, U.S. They don’t… Read more »
@AnonJohn The way I see it is that the men at the top couldn’t care less about plight of the average man. They will always see women as victims and continue to prioritize women at the expense of other men. Look at the 2nd debate and see how the “pay gap” was the most dominant topic when in reality men were hardest hit by the recession/mancession and single women are now making more money than single men, girls are also outnumbering boys in higher education, etc… I don’t care about these topics so I can’t elaborate on it, but l’m… Read more »
I look at the red-blue county by county map and it’s painfully clear, there are two America’s….the moral and the immoral.
Moral people work and contribute, immoral people mooch and hand their bills to others.
There is no compromise, there is no reaching across the aisle, no working with the other side.
The only hope for America is a red state secession!
I think the blue states would welcome this divorce. In their arrogance they actually think they are the great contributors who pay the bills, their delusion is profound.
As for regards to Mark Minter. Some people say that he is simply bitter and is just bitching and whining. I don’t think that is the root emotion that is ultimately driving his posts and his message. His tone is akin to religious fervour. Just as I have seen with new religious converts in that they are full of excitement and zeal is what I see with Mark Minter and his posts. To him, the red pill is his salvation. He lived a life of quiet desperation and now that it’s better, he wants people to hear about how they… Read more »
@Shocker The supremacy of the male is at play. And the supremacy of the whites is at play. The intersection of both is at the white male. Let’s be real honest here. To spout reality about women and hypergamy will place you squarely in the cross-hairs of feminism and it’s harpies. You will be singled out and ridiculed. To spout reality about race will get you the same treatment. It is no mistake that the vast majority of blacks vote for Obama, yet nobody calls that racist. Where-as anybody voting for Romeny because he is white IS a racist. You… Read more »
Clap. Clap. Clap. Wake up penised people! Meeting at poolside.
They will always see women as victims and continue to prioritize women at the expense of other men.
Meh, maybe some of them do. But many know what buttons to push. They are simply gaming women and instead of getting sex they are getting a vote.
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool” I totally agree, my problem is that my aunt is letting me stay with her until I ship off to boot camp which is in 11 days. I live with my 51 year old aunt and her 33 year old daughter hence my cousin and her 2 year old daughter. Now that I live with them I don’t quickly do what they ask for example if my aunt say’s “Can you open the patio so the breeze can come in.” I will not beta and do it as quickly as possible, I… Read more »
@Adam: “The way I see it is that the men at the top couldn’t care less about plight of the average man. They will always see women as victims and continue to prioritize women at the expense of other men. Look at the 2nd debate and see how the “pay gap” was the most dominant topic when in reality men were hardest hit by the recession/mancession and single women are now making more money than single men, girls are also outnumbering boys in higher education, etc… I don’t care about these topics so I can’t elaborate on it, but l’m… Read more »
Out of all the men in America, only about .01% get to be in big industry board rooms, military leadership, high government office, etc. These people aren’t looking out for their own gender, they are looking out for themselves. And in the case of government, they look out for themselves by pandering to women at the expense of the other 99.99% of people their own gender.
That’s just the way I see it. Maybe I’m over-simplifying things to a point of retardation.
And I aso have little regard for females as leaders, soldiers, or industry builders. I’m not opposed to them pursuing those positions, I just don’t think they have it in them.
You are right.
The heirarchy is like this…
1% of Men > 100% of women > 99% of men
The glass ceiling to women is barely there but the glass floor exists in spades. Guess who is part of the floor? Yes, that would be you. Now keep supporting that weight.
furthermore, minter’s analysis politically is just wrong. this wasn’t soley about gender. it was, as it has been, about urban vs rural, educated vs uneducated, coastal vs interior.
Just thought this was so important that I thought I should spread it:
“Binders full of women.” When the Democrats seized on that phrase by Romney, I thought it was a sign they were desperate. I mean, how fucking idiotic to claim there is something wrong with Romney saying that he wanted women in his cabinet, so his search team got several large binders full of womens’ résumés. They thought it was funny to talk about how Romney wanted “women in binders” versus “lots of womens’ résumés in three-ring binders.” Tee-hee. Ho-ho. Grow the fuck up. But it was real. That’s how they actually think. That’s the level of discourse we’re dealing with… Read more »
See PUAs aren’t monsters…we’re just ahead of the curve. The PUA lifestyle (overall, not just the One Night Stand stuff, but we have literature focusing on managing Long Term Relationships and multiple Open Relationships, etc., even Monogamous Relationships but we warn guys going into them that they’re stacking the deck against themselves lol) has all the benefits of the MGTOW lifestyle. We do our own thing, focus on our own paths, our own goals, we spend our money on ourselves, we don’t let ourselves get tied down, we do exactly what we want to do when we want to do… Read more »
@Phinn “But it was real. That’s how they actually think. That’s the level of discourse we’re dealing with here. I thought it was too stupid to be serious. Too stupid to be a vote-getting talking point.” A lot of guys have trouble when they get into pick-up because they look at the captain of the football team saying stupid shit to a cheerleader and she’s giggling away and he thinks “that’s not even FUNNY, wtf, why is she laughing so much??” This is the way women work. “Change her mood, not her mind.” You can drop a million facts on… Read more »
Now that I live with them I don’t quickly do what they ask for example if my aunt say’s “Can you open the patio so the breeze can come in.” I will not beta and do it as quickly as possible, I will take my time when I’m ready to get up, just enough so she won’t bitch. No one is responding to this. But I need to bring up that I’m not sure this is the mentality to think here. Fixating to not be a slave and a fool does not mean constantly trying to avoid being a beta… Read more »
Mark Minter would have made a great Merry Prankster. A little something to gum up the machine. I wonder if he likes The Dead.
A lot of guys have trouble when they get into pick-up because they look at the captain of the football team saying stupid shit to a cheerleader and she’s giggling away and he thinks “that’s not even FUNNY, wtf, why is she laughing so much??”
I used to focus too much on the words…what I should have been focusing on was the body language and vibe. Heck when it comes to women when I talk with them now my conversations are more in mad libs territory and they just laugh and get tingles.
I thought it was too stupid to be serious. Too stupid to be a vote-getting talking point. I was wrong. I overestimated the electorate, and that (apparently) is a mistake.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
On Jezebel there’s a post saying “Team Rape lost!” How is anyone supposed to win against that? Do women do any research or anything? Nah. They go “Team RAPE?? Well I certainly can’t vote for them!! Who’s everyone else voting for? Okay I’ll vote for that person instead, look there’s a picture of him riding a bicycle with a helmet on that looks like a Nice Guy, right my 12 cats and fatherless children?”
lol maybe a PUA should run for president.
The changes are so fast. Maybe women will take over dominance in society, but it won’t last a long time. They are mentally unprepared for maintaining such status. They will scratch each other eyes out when times come and men will be standing aside and enjoying the spectacle. Hypergamy doesn’t care about hierarchy. The few exceptions in history was just exceptions.
Got wind of your post by way of Vox, and I must say, Bro. MM is on it. I’ve written a bit about last night’s events and what it portends for the future:
The End Of White Men
Excellent comments here btw, especially by G. Deep.
I got news for you people – you’ll end up funding the brave new socialist future whether you like it or not. The money is removed from you paychecks before you even see it and goes to pay for entitlement programs. It has been for years. All of this bluster here is just noise and you know it. Get back in line.
Only employees get paychecks. Because of their subordinate status, they do indeed have their compulsory, involuntary payments to their masters deducted before receiving their first dime. You’ll notice that this is the way a child is treated.
That’s why I recommend to men who want to be happy and naturally more alpha to do 2 simple things, which matter more than all the theory and Game advice put together — work out and work for yourself.
Be fit, and own your own business.
When you accomplish those two tasks, you’re most of the way there already.
@necorochi it’s not beta unless it’s beta. What I mean is, unless the request is made as part of a shit test, or combined with attitude, agenda, or a ball-busting frame, it’s not beta; it’s just a request–especially if the task involves something traditionally manly. Make sure your perception of their requests is accurate. There could also be an odd dynamic involving their missing you and their coming to grips with the fact that you’re embarking on an occupation from which you may not return! Cut it some slack. It’s just 11 days. You’re in a tough spot since you’re… Read more »
Obama won against a man whose business revolved around offshoring jobs, and whose religion revolves around taking the word of a 19th-cenury bunco artist as revelations from God. The scary thing is that it was as close as it was.
You’ve mentally wrapped yourself around the axle here. You’re staying with FAMILY (all women but still family) as a GUEST. I assume your aunt is not charging you rent. If your aunt asks for your help, then snap to attention and help. There’s nothing beta about that, it’s just common courtesy.
You want to be alpha? Pack your shit and move into a motel.
As G says, only 10% of the engineers in his company are women, yet somehow women are ACTUALLY ABLE TO (increasingly) DOMINATE THE COMPANY. “50% of the VPs are women.” AnonJohn points out that “men [still] dominate all the important things: highest levels of government, military, and economy.” They only “dominate” NUMERICALLY. But they’re allowing themselves to be told what to do, how to do it, and what policies to make, BY WOMEN AND BY FEMINIZED MEN. Most men are AVERAGE. That’s what the word ‘average’ actually MEANS. They do women’s bidding as they have always done — and now,… Read more »
STOP complaining! The end of western civilization is no different than figuring out how to get laid.
If you are worthy of the title MAN you will FIND a way!
So the social system and the government have conspired against you, this isn’t the first time this has happened.
Study those who have survived and lived to tell the tale. Learn their mental attitudes and methods. You did this when you became a PUA.
I strongly recomend Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Iceberg Slim.
Embrace the suck people, this is the new normal when losers can vote for more of your productivity, and the Fed gov continues to spend like a rejected K street crack whore. I voted for Romney for the sole purpose of getting rid Obama, i was very upset to see the jug ears win again, but the Cynic in me is glade he won because lets be honest here the Repubs wouldn’t have done shit with the budget. So if the losers of America want this once great nation to go Full retard then by all means lets burn this… Read more »
“Women only have the power we as men give to them. When will the men of the world recognize this?”
Correction, men in the West. Go ask Muhammad.
Mark Minter for President 2016
I think the point that everybody is missing here is that the way to win a cultural revolution towards masculinity is the same way that the women pushed feminism: through pussy. See if you can enlighten enough men that going against the feminine culture with it’s bullshit advice and conflicting lies about the SMP and that acting in a masculine manner with game will get them laid the paradigm would shift tomorrow. The sexual revolution was basically only supported because the guys thought of the sexual spoils. All of these previously chaste women were now going to spread their legs… Read more »
I don’t agree with his outcome. Simply put, we are borrowing money to keep advancing women into higher and higher positions, to fund whatever they want. But if you’re looking at America right now, would you buy our debt? I don’t think so. Once we can’t sell our debt anymore, then women will come crashing down.
Beyond that, I agree with what he said and it really makes me sad how much women hate me.
AnonJohn – well stated. It is largely white Christian men who own the means of production and make the decisions to unemploy working class men of all races here in the U.S. in pursuit of maximizing their own wealth. It’s hard to place the blame on those with whom you have for so long identified, but it’s squarely where it belongs. Women and minorites’ influence on this is at most a sideshow. Both political parties serve the same master. The outcome of yesterday’s election will have no more influence on changing this situation than will the outcome of this weekend’s… Read more »
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“Women only have the power we as men give to them. When will the men of the world recognize this?”
Parasites only have the power that producers give to then. When will the producers of the world recognize this?
“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”.
When I say the system is broken and men ought to go their own way this is what I mean
Playing by society’s rules or following society’s expectation is a sucker’s game because you can’t win; the game is designed so you can’t win
Instead, start your own game
Epic post is yet another Epic post by Mark Minter.
I slightly disagree on the republicans being the saviors of men, but that’s a point for another day. Everything else about men being on their own and abandoning once and for all the idea of a society to serve and revere is dead on, on words that could easily become a manifesto.
It comes to mind Advocatus Diaboli’s post about MGTOW being the predominant form rather than game. It’s also spot on, as much as I would like to envision a bright future of sophisticated hedonism and conquests.
“He makes a lot of good points. I’d say overall that post was pure gold. However, he overlooks the one glaring, salient point: the economy. Any economy that has a bunch of men disincentivized from participation is doomed to fail, and fail hard. Men might live life on their own terms, but eventually someone’s gotta drill the oil, mine the rare-earths needed in the plasma TV’s, and grease the wheels of the nation. If there’s nothing in it for them, they’re not going to do it. Women’s gains are only going to last as long as there’s someone else to… Read more »
If protecting the male franchise was so important, why have white men spent so much time excluding black men and brown men? Just to be clear, you do all realize that George W. Bush was trying to save you from the coming wave when he proposed immigration reform after being re-elected in 2004, right? But, you let all the racists come unhinged and managed to piss away so much of the brown male vote in America that now even the Cubans — who naturally agree with the anti-socialist critique of America — won’t vote Republican. In conclusion: pissing on brown… Read more »
“Playing by society’s rules or following society’s expectation is a sucker’s game because you can’t win; the game is designed so you can’t win”
Yep. Tyler said it back in The Blueprint:
“If you’re looking for other people’s standards to determine your value, you will always come up short. Even if you’re successful, you’re still a dumb chode that spends all his time living up to other people’s standards. You still are coming from a foundational level where reacting to other people is how you spend your days.”
Relevant clip on going your own way and setting your own values, living your own life, etc:
8:50 is around where the part I quoted above came from. Whole clip is good though. Because he’s a PUA it’s focused more on “how is this relevant to getting pussy”, but the concepts are the same ones MGTOW guys approve of. Like I say, there’s a lot of crossover between PUA and MGTOW beliefs…except that PUAs develop the skillset to get laid while they GTOW lol
Did you make this blog so you could understand how best to raise your daughter?
holy shit, before I continue reading, someone above mentioned the behind the ear “dose”. I know what you’re talking about.
Mark jumped the shark with this one. Women are the enemy? I like women. They are what they are. Liking women is a key to amused mastery of them. Not to say I haven’t admired things Mark has written. We’re about the same age and I think have some shared experience of women putting the hurt on us. “The personal is political” is a tenet of feminist theory. That doesn’t mean it’s invalid: maybe it does have the same validity to men’s lives. Extrapolating it to this presidential election only goes so far. Romney was just not the optimum Republican… Read more »
Feminism and its consequences is a luxury. Simple as that. In the Western civilization we have the time and money to worry about these luxurious ethical issues. It’s the same thing with sustainability. Everything has to become more green, sustainable, environmental friendly, enter random synonym here. We have the time and money to worry about this ethical issue. However, what we see now is that due to the economic crisis that we do not have the time and money to worry about ethical issues as much as we had before. What happens is that most sustainable projects in businesses are… Read more »
Real fucking talk.
Even realer fucking talk.
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