The Red Pill Monthly

 

Just a quick reminder here, Niko and I will be doing the Red Pill Monthly livestream this Friday morning. February 12th at 10 am PST. Last time was kind a of a dry run for us and people wanted some advance notice so they can participate in the live chat so here it is.

I have to do these as my schedule permits, so this time slot is by no means going to be a regular thing. Hopefully it works for everyone this month.

We’ll of course be discussing current events in the ‘sphere, but also some foundational Red Pill stuff, as well as taking questions live. If there’s something you’d like us to consider please feel free to leave your comment or question about it in today’s thread.

The link will be until Saturday.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

137 comments on “The Red Pill Monthly

  1. @Forge the Sky on and SJF,

    Appreciate the responses. I actually have read quite a bit of rational male and yareally’s archive, as well as no more Mr nice guy. They have certainly helped. I do feel overwhelmed though when I realize how much work there is to do. The theoretical aspect of RP is very digestible to me.
    On Myers Briggs, closest to ISTJ.

    What would help me is something like a set of fundamentals. “Work on X and Y to start”. “Worry about Y and Z later”. ” Here’s the best place to study X and Y”

    When I go out, I do okay getting a friendly vibe. But when I try to sexualize the conversation, the reactions I get are shocked, like they had me pegged as a safe beta from a mile away.

    To piggyback on that Biology analogy, in most bio texts you first learn about cells, then single celled organisms… ending with ecosystems. But now to stretch your analogy to the breaking point, I’m getting an A in the RP lecture class, and a D in the lab!

  2. “When I go out, I do okay getting a friendly vibe.”

    and

    “when I try to sexualize the conversation, the reactions I get are shocked,”

    Are linked. chum. Don’t start out with a friendly vibe. Throw away the friendly vibe. Anything but a friendly vibe!

  3. I’m assuming though you mean shocked in a negative way, like they are not surprised, they are offended kind of shocked.

  4. An easy way to sexualize things right off the bat… when she asks your name (you are waiting for her to ask you right?) and extends her hand, extend back an index finger and a smirk.

  5. @SJF,

    I have read a lot of RP material, mostly the sidebar for Married Red Pill, posts in their forum and Rational Male.
    Over the last few months, I have made significant improvements in lifting, dieting, dressing, and am making a career change that will pay off in the long term. But my game with women had not made commensurate gains. When I see the stuff you guys are discussing here it’s a lot more advanced than the shit I need to work on. Like you guys are discussing drop sets and super sets and I’m just trying to not drop the fucking dumbbell on my foot :).

  6. “When I go out, I do okay getting a friendly vibe. But when I try to sexualize the conversation, the reactions I get are shocked, like they had me pegged as a safe beta from a mile away.”

    Give some examples of your conversations. What did you say to evoke Beta?What exactly did you say that pegged you as a safe beta? Don’t be a safe beta.

    Shocked is sometimes good. Insecurity in the woman is sometimes good. Friendly is not so good.

    Were you confident and congruent in your statements? Were you outcome independent or were you trying to get her to feel for you. And your problems?

    Did you make your convos about you, or did you make them all about her an how she feels? Make it all about her? She doesn’t care about you on first meetup. She cares about how she feels about you. Do you spill your guts about you?

  7. ” When I see the stuff you guys are discussing here it’s a lot more advanced than the shit I need to work on. Like you guys are discussing drop sets and super sets and I’m just trying to not drop the fucking dumbbell on my foot.”

    So you can’t hit home runs. So what. Play small ball. Hit a single or stretch a double. And then do it again.

    This stuff is not advanced. It is what no one ever told you. It is the way of men. Before noise got in the milieu. Do not over analyze this shit. Just do it.

  8. “I have made significant improvements in lifting, dieting, dressing, and am making a career change that will pay off in the long term. But my game with women had not made commensurate gains.”

    Your career change is infinitely more important than game. You need mastery and skill and resources. Do it for you.

    Game is a side-light. It is not hard when you have mastery over it. Make your hurdles be smaller in gaming women. Don’t give a fuck about not hitting a home run and learn Game skills. Get in your head the fundamentals, but don’t be in your head. A tall good looking guy–hmmm, relax and let yourself go. Clear your mind and learn game tactic and relax.

    Tell us what you think you are doing wrong in regards to game.

  9. ISTJ, hmmm. You are totally fucked in PUA. Therefore you need to rebuild.
    The thing is you can totally rebuild. You have to face your fears and buck your personality traits to get laid while single. Stop thinking your woman needs comfort.

    I can see you trying to build comfort and then dropping a sexualizing bomb on a prospective woman. And then her reaction is WTF? She doesn’t want comfort in a beta male. You are tall and good looking. Do not build comfort on initiation, drive anxiety. Your first order of business is not to get into a LTR with comfort. Don’t be so responsible and dedicated.

    From ISTJ relationships:

    Happiness and Moral Duty Are Inseparably Connected

    Blind dates and random hookups are not ISTJs’ preferred methods for finding potential partners. The risk and unpredictability of these situations has ISTJs’ alarm bells ringing, and being dragged out for a night of dancing at the club just isn’t going to happen. ISTJ personalities much prefer more responsible, conservative methods of dating, such as dinner with an interested coworker or, in their more adventurous moods, a setup organized through a mutual friend.

    ISTJs approach relationships, as with most things, from a rational perspective, looking for compatibility and the mutual satisfaction of daily and long-term needs. This isn’t a process that ISTJs take lightly, and once commitments are established, they stick to their promises to the very end. ISTJs establish foundations, fulfill their responsibilities, and keep their relationships functional and stable.

    As their relationships transitions into the long-term, ISTJs gladly see to the necessary daily tasks around the house, applying the same sense of duty to their home life that they do in the workplace.
    While this may not translate into particularly exotic intimate lives, ISTJs are dependable lovers who want very much for their partners to remain satisfied. It takes patience on the part of more adventurous partners, but if different activities can be demonstrated as equally or more enjoyable than those already within ISTJs’ comfort zones, they are perfectly capable of trying something new.

    However, emotional satisfaction can be another matter. While ISTJs are able to provide surprisingly good emotional support, this only happens when they realize that it’s necessary, and there’s the rub. As Thinking (T) types, ISTJs are not naturally receptive to others’ emotions, not unless they are stated clearly, and a partner usually only says “I’m angry” when it’s too late to address the initial grievance.

    Let Your Heart Feel Their Afflictions, and Give Proportionally

    People with the ISTJ personality type can get so caught up in the belief in their correctness, in “winning” arguments they thought were about facts, that they don’t realize their partner may have viewed things from a perspective of consideration and sensitivity. Especially with Feeling (F) partners, this can be a huge challenge for the relationship. Ultimately though, ISTJs’ senses of responsibility and dedication set the tone, and they spare no effort in noting to this distinction moving forward, the consequences having been demonstrated as real.

    While ISTJs’ staid approach may seem boring to some, there is an undeniable attractiveness to it, though felt perhaps more by respect and admiration than emotional passion. ISTJs’ shells hide a strong and quiet determination and reliability, rare among other personality types, which can benefit even the flightiest personalities, allowing them to stay connected to the real world while still exploring new territory. Partners who share the Observant (S) trait are the best fit for ISTJ personalities, with one or two opposing traits to create balance and to expand ISTJs’ sometimes overly isolated world, such as partners with Extraverted (E) or Prospecting (P) traits.

    Don’t cater to your weaknesses. Go and face your fears:

    Stubborn – The facts are the facts, and ISTJs tend to resist any new idea that isn’t supported by them. This factual decision-making process also makes it difficult for people with the ISTJ personality type to accept that they were wrong about something – but anyone can miss a detail, even them.

    Insensitive – While not intentionally harsh, ISTJs are often hurt more sensitive types’ feelings by the simple mantra that honesty is the best policy. ISTJ personalities may take emotions into consideration, but really only so far as to determine the most effective way to say what needs to be said.

    Always by the Book – ISTJs believe that things work best with clearly defined rules, but this makes them reluctant to bend those rules or try new things, even when the downside is minimal. Truly unstructured environments leave ISTJs all but paralyzed.

    Judgmental – Opinions are opinions and facts are facts, and ISTJs are unlikely to respect people who disagree with those facts, or especially those who remain willfully ignorant of them.

    Often Unreasonably Blame Themselves – All this can combine to make ISTJs believe they are the only ones who can see projects through reliably. As they load themselves with extra work and responsibilities, turning away good intentions and helpful ideas, ISTJs sooner or later hit a tipping point where they simply can’t deliver. Since they’ve heaped the responsibility on themselves, ISTJs then believe the responsibility for failure is theirs alone to bear.

    You see how that works?

  10. “Over the last few months, I have made significant improvements in lifting, dieting, dressing, and am making a career change that will pay off in the long term. But my game with women had not made commensurate gains.”

    YahReally?

  11. @betathrowaway

    How’s your body language? Mine was unremarkable until I actively took steps to display alpha body language. I get off the charts IOIs everywhere I go. Read these articles:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/standing-like-an-alpha/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/alpha-body-language/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/what-you-can-learn-from-a-beta/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/body-language/

    Shit is pure fucking gold. A few things to always keep in mind:

    1. NEVER cross your hands in your lap or ESPECIALLY in front of your junk.
    2. Try to occupy as much space as you can whenever you stand or sit anywhere (don’t go overboard though lol).
    3. When you sit, lean back with a smirk like you’re a king enjoying the atmosphere in his court, knowing that everyone in the room is hoping to curry his favor.
    4. SLOW THE FUCK DOWN in everything you do (but again, don’t go overboard to the point of ridiculousness). Talk slower, walk slower, REACT slower to things that men and women say to you.
    5. When you walk, strut around like you own the place.

  12. @Hegelian

    New here? Look for “Save the Best” in the search bar. Then read year one and year two. All of it.

  13. @SJF
    Your Meyers Briggs link was pretty spot on. I know I have a lot of rewiring to do.
    “ISTJ, hmmm. You are totally fucked in PUA. Therefore you need to rebuild.
    The thing is you can totally rebuild. You have to face your fears and buck your personality traits to get laid while single. Stop thinking your woman needs comfort.
    I can see you trying to build comfort and then dropping a sexualizing bomb on a prospective woman. And then her reaction is WTF? She doesn’t want comfort in a beta male. You are tall and good looking. Do not build comfort on initiation, drive anxiety. ”

    This seems to be a good place for me to start. Pretty much all of my FR would be summarized as too much comfort, not enough other emotional effect with ham-fisted sexualizations interspersed. Also the story of my marriage, you must be shocked to find out!

    Where can I go to find some things to start implementing here?

    @Dutchman,

    I have been working on this. My posture used to suck. I had terrible body language. I am steadily making my posture and the way I carry myself more naturally alpha.

    The lifting and dieting has been for me. Except for knee pain when running, I feel better today than when I was 20 and playing college basketball.

  14. betathrowaway – lots of good advice here, but since you asked for absolute basics:

    1. Read/watch the *minimum* basic resources mentioned by YaReally in his “basics” post on the archive.

    2. Go out to a bar/nightclub (you don’t have to wait till you finish going through all the resources in (1) above) and start conversations with 10 girls and try to chat to them for as long as possible. If you get a bad reception or the conversation fizzles out, leave, but just make an effort to stay chatting. It literally doesn’t matter what you say: “Hello, I wanted to come and say hello..how are you girls doing?” is fine. Don’t worry consciously about doing all the stuff mentioned in the basic resources – for now, literally just focus on having a conversation and keeping it up for a few minutes.

    3. Come back here and post an FR describing your interactions *in detail* and we’ll go from there.

    4. Rinse and repeat for a few years and you’ll be *really* good, if you actually keep it up consistently. Your ex-wife will rue ever letting you go.

  15. @betathrowaway
    “When I go out, I do okay getting a friendly vibe. But when I try to sexualize the conversation, the reactions I get are shocked, like they had me pegged as a safe beta from a mile away.”

    You need to be more polarizing from the start (which is why I’d tell you to go practice in bars/clubs even in another city if you have one nearby, where you aren’t shitting where you eat because until you learn to calibrate it you WILL very likely weird girls out at first).

    The jist is that it’s better to step up and get blown out for being too sexual than it is to just have “pleasant chats” that don’t go anywhere. Be more polarizing, so they either love you or hate you but they can’t sit on that middle-ground fence.

    You’ll get resistance to this because you’re still in recovering beta mode, so try not to shit where you eat as you practice. They’re categorizing you as a beta so they’re shocked when you step outside of that.

    This one has crystal clear infield examples of a beta trying to step up and how women won’t let him out of the box they peg him in but are cool with it when Tyler does it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGEO6ig8WsM

    And this one is covering similar points but has bits and pieces that aren’t mentioned in the other one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoFv41hjExE

    And here’s Julien on causing emotional reactions, this is the kind of stuff you want to add to your game so that when you’re APPROACHING you’re already being more polarizing…right now you’re doing what most guys do, going in seeking Rapport/Comfort, but that’s skipping the whole Attraction stage. This goes back to classic Mystery Method:

    A1 – you DHV’ing (just approaching cool can be a DHV but ideally you have other shit going on to make you seem high-value)

    A2 – she shows you female to male interest

    A3 – you qualify/screen her and when she passes you show male to female interest to her

    C1 – you start building rapport/comfort because now 1) she WANTS your rapport/comfort (because you have A2) and she’s EARNED your high-value man interest (by passing your qualifying her in A3)

    C2, C3, S1, S2, S3 – these are all basically keep building rapport/comfort in progressively more private interactions and then escalate to sex, you need to focus on A1-A3 right now.

    Right now you’re trying to just start with C1, or A3 probably without qualifying her at all, just showing interest…but she doesn’t want your interest yet because you haven’t A1’ed till you have enough A2 for her to WANT to qualify herself to you trying to earn your A3 so that THEN when you give her C1 she’s excited to have it.

    You’re a comfort slut, handing comfort out to any girl you talk to instead of making them earn it lol Just like a girl handing out sex without making guys earn it, it’s low-value.

    Girls will be polite to you because you’re at least TRYING but they’ll view you as harmless right now until you can make them emotionally react to you and spike their Buying Temperature (A1-A3).

    Here’s the theory:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu68BBNBnLU

    And here’s some actionable advice to take out into the field on how to cause more emotional responses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWJuI0g_hps

    Unfortunately some of the videos I would normally link you (there’s one by Todd that was all about this topic, it was great) was deleted back during the RSDJulien fiasco so you’ll have to try to piece together from my archive some of the ideas:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=polarizing
    http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=polarize

    And like the other guys said: go out and do a Field Reports and we can help guide you from there. But this should give you enough direction to understand where you need to focus right now. Focus on A1-A3, introducing polarity and causing her Buying Temp to spike to where she’s giving you iois and then focus on QUALIFYING her, ie – make her EARN your interest in her. If you can do even just that, you’ll notice a different vibe in your interactions.

    Good luck, welcome to Fight Club lol

  16. @betathrowaway @Sentient

    These days my Newbie Guide would be this:

    – Mystery Method (I prefer the seminar where he teaches it over the PDF, I like Mystery’s passion for what he’s teaching, the vids were on YouTube at some point…Magic Bullets is a more brief version of MM if you want the tl;dr version of it)

    – Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation video on YouTube

    – Richard LaRuina Formula For Night Game on YouTube (specifically 27:00 to 50:00)

    – RSDJulien’s SHIFT (internal game/mindsets/beliefs)

    – and RSDJulien’s PIMP (external game aka shit to execute infield)

    – and if you just want overall social skills building rapport/comfort with people in general then check out Juggler Method.

    I’d say that’s the most efficient route to get legit well-rounded solid pickup skills infield fast. And read TRM of course lol And do your FRs even if you don’t show them to anyone, just writing shit down recapping the night helps your brain focus on how you could do better.

    I would these resources out in the order listed too, tho if you’re already going out (so you have decent inner game) and just need help with externals watch PIMP then SHIFT, but if you’re not going out at all yet and are scared to go out, reverse the order of those two and watch SHIFT then PIMP.

  17. @yareally long time lurker of your material – really appreciate the time and effort you put into your posts – I’m sure I’m one of many that continue to get A1 insights from you.

    Current situation that I’m in but watered down as to not include too many specifics. I was originally seeing this girl from a different city in a non-monogamous fashion and set it up that way thanks to your guides. I’m moving to that city soon and things are starting to turn monogamous. Basically we are not dating but agreed to not see other people. Recently I found out she hooked up with someone else and no one knows. My question is – do I bring this up to her and let the chips fall where they may or do I let it slide and keep banging her while seeing other people? (I’m only asking because she is in my social circle and I will see her often no matter what when I move)

    I’m thinking this could be a blessing in disguise and get me back on the mltr track. Thanks for everything you do for this community.

  18. @YaReally

    I’ve read Magic bullets up until they started talking about hair and looks.

    That book says it’s important. You typically say it isn’t. What am I missing here?

    Is it that game and what it will take for me to get good at it should leave me where I can compete and win?

    Or is having a look a mandatory thing? I imagine it is, since it helps people to identify with me better. But what’s your take on that?

    Where does looks land? For example, in Magic bullets they tell you you should shave your head if your hair is thinning, or get a transplant.

    Is that outdated?

  19. @Yollo – I’m not YaReally (obviously), but I did do a Mystery Method course way back in the day and I think they are just coming at looks from the “you may as well improve everything you can” angle, which is fine.

    It doesn’t mean it is absolutely crucial or necessary etc. Not in conflict with anything YaReally says if you read the lengthy screeds on this – there was a particularly long thread a couple of months ago where he gets into the looks issue in detail.

  20. @Samsonite
    “I’m moving to that city soon and things are starting to turn monogamous.”

    No, things don’t just “turn” monogamous. That’s chick-language, it “just happened” to avoid accountability. You LET things turn monogamous. It’s important to understand that you helped get yourself into the situation you’re in so that next time you don’t allow it to happen.

    “Basically we are not dating but agreed to not see other people.”

    Like my guide says: most guys are too in scarcity to risk losing the girl so they’ll agree to monogamy instead of holding their ground, and then it blows up in their face. This is why ideally a guy will try a few mLTRs before he settles into a final one, so he can fuck them up a few times like you just did and he can learn WHY all the rules and shit are so important and why you don’t agree to monogamy like you did.

    “Recently I found out she hooked up with someone else and no one knows.”

    Shocker. The guy who she was attracted to voluntarily gave up all his options for her because he’s scared to lose her and somehow that’s not attractive enough to her to trigger her Hypergamy so she cheats with another guy. You were her Hypergamous best option and you VOLUNTARILY stepped off the throne by agreeing to monogamy.

    You did the same thing a guy who gets legally married does: you voluntarily removed your ability to walk out on her. And like I said in my guide, that lowers your value to her and so off she goes to suck a bunch of dick. If you had stood your ground and, if she gave you an ultimatum, just gone radio silent on her, she would be too busy being heartbroken and still madly obsessed with you to go suck a bunch of dicks.

    “My question is – do I bring this up to her and let the chips fall where they may or do I let it slide and keep banging her while seeing other people?”

    You can bring it up to her, since she’s violating the rules of your monogamous agreement, but it won’t make her attracted to you, it will just make you look like a whiny bitch and continue to lower your status to her. Or you can let it slide, and come off like a cuckolded (because over time she’ll start fucking you less and less, because you’re becoming a 300lbs landwhale to her whenever she doesn’t face consequences for disrespecting you) bitch especially if she ever finds out you knew she was cheating and didn’t even hold her to the agreement you two made (aka you’re a guy who has expectations of others and holds them to those expectations, aka you aren’t a doormat). Or you can call her out but let her make excuses like “oh well I didn’t know we were starting yet” or “oh sorry I just got caught up in the moment it won’t happen again baby (hint: it will)” and let her off the hook with no punishment and again be the soon-to-be-cuckolded doormat bitch who’s so in scarcity that he lets her run wild because he can’t live without her in his life.

    You voluntarily put yourself in a Kobayashi Maru.

    I’m only being harsh so you fully understand how YOU created this situation you’re in, so you can avoid it with the next girl because you understand how important it is not to agree to monogamy no matter how you rationalize it at the time.

    The only recommendation I have for your situation is to catch her cheating and then go apeshit on her in person (while videotaping the whole thing to avoid any false abuse/rape claims, because if this hits your social circle she’ll spin you as the badguy and everyone will take her side) saying stuff along the lines of “we had an agreement and you shit all over it, I don’t even care if you fuck another guy but when you tell me you want to be monogamous and then go behind my back that’s shitty behavior and I don’t hang out with shitty girls” so that she knows it’s about her not keeping her word than about sucking a dick (since she’ll try to frame it as you being butthurt that she sucked a dick) and what that says about her as a person etc etc and then immediately kick her out of your place and go full radio silence on her. Delete her from your Facebook and everything and ignore all of her texts for a few months. Re-Read the stuff by Blackdragon I link in my archive about “how to soft next” and fully understand that shit.

    “(I’m only asking because she is in my social circle and I will see her often no matter what when I move)”

    Unfortunately, you picked a girl in your social circle to voluntarily enter a monogamous agreement with, so you can’t even really go full radio silence on her because you’re going to bump into her in your social circle activities constantly and have drama. So you’re going to have to basically ignore her or be cordial but distant like you would with a fat chick and ideally try to bring other girls out to make her jealous until she’s chasing hard to get back in your life.

    Don’t agree to monogamy.

    Look at it this way: it would be better to agree to monogamy if you were going to do that, when you ARE dating because then at least you get dating shit out of it from her (like her meeting your friends and cooking your meals or moving in and potentially having kids with you etc). But you went from getting sex with multiple girls but not getting the dating stuff out of it, to having sex with only one girl and still not getting the dating stuff out of it. And she went from getting sex with multiple guys but not getting the dating stuff, to getting sex with multiple guys and one of them will provide the dating stuff and that’s when she ditches you.

    “I’m thinking this could be a blessing in disguise and get me back on the mltr track. Thanks for everything you do for this community.”

    Happy to help. But next time listen to my advice and you won’t be in these situations. 😉 lol Good luck with it, it’s all a learning experience. You gotta fuck it up a few times before it becomes natural. Listen to a bunch of Patrice O’Neal on YouTube talking about men and women, dude has a rock solid frame for understanding how to keep in the Hypergamous throne to a girl.

    @Yollo
    “That book says it’s important. You typically say it isn’t. What am I missing here?”

    Magic Bullets, MM, etc were written before we really experimented with running pickup without looks. In a way the only reason the looks stuff is in there is because coming from blue pill social conditioning everyone just assumed “of course looks matter” so there was more emphasis on it. We didn’t have many guys going out purposely looking like shit and running game and noting that their looks don’t matter, because everyone was caught up in “hey this peacocking shit works, let’s all worry about our style now!”

    But now we’ve experimented with all of that shit and you can find AMPLE infield videos on YouTube, not just from RSD but other guys, of guys just dressed normal nothing special and still slaying it with girls that, by a blue pill socially conditioned value system, shouldn’t be attracted to them.

    Here are some good explanations of the “looks” dynamic with regards to actually picking up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_dKkLkox2Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gryAloc2GQU

    THAT SAID, if you’re a newbie starting out you probably don’t HAVE a solid internal core yet, because you don’t have a lot of field experience or confidence, so ya handle your looks/style so you don’t look like a social retard…do what you can with what you got (get a haircut, update your clothes (get the hottie at the clothing store to help you), try to build a good habit of hitting the gym so you have that habit for your overall health in life down the road etc) and then just let it go and focus on learning game.

    And when you’re getting results, start going out dressed plain, or skip getting a haircut, or go out with messy hair, or with a stain on your shirt, etc so that you can collect reference experiences that you can get results without needing that stuff.

    “Is it that game and what it will take for me to get good at it should leave me where I can compete and win?”

    Game will always overcome looks (and anti-game will sabotage looks lol). But just going out will correct a lot of shit…when you go out a lot you’ll see guys at the club dressed cool and you’ll think “I wanna look cool too” and start working on your style. When you fuck girls and your fat is covering up your dick and they have to lift your fat folds out of the way, you’ll think “maybe I’ll hit the gym so I can be better at this sex stuff”.

    The problem is when newbies hear “well ya handle your looks when you’re starting out”, they interpret it as “DON’T TALK TO A SINGLE GIRL UNTIL YOU’RE JACKED AND HAVE A $1000 SUIT AND YOUR HAIR IS PERFECT BECAUSE YOUR BLUE PILL CONDITIOINING WAS RIGHT LOOKS MATTER THE PUAS EVEN ADMITTED IT!!!!!” and end up spending a year in the gym avoiding approaching girls instead of prioritizing approaching girls as you are and just hitting the gym on the side.

    “Or is having a look a mandatory thing? I imagine it is, since it helps people to identify with me better. But what’s your take on that?”

    BradP talks about “sexy stereotyping” a lot and it’s a good point. If you have a certain style, girls will project a lot of stuff on you (good and bad, like you’ll be more appealing to a girl who likes guys that have your style and you’ll turn off girls who don’t like that style) and you can use that to your advantage at times.

    “Where does looks land? For example, in Magic bullets they tell you you should shave your head if your hair is thinning, or get a transplant.”

    lol Tyler’s had a giant bald spot for years and there’s plenty of infield footage of girls giving zero fucks. But he’s also gone out a shitload and had enough positive reference experiences to know and fully believe to his core that it doesn’t matter…whereas the newbie starting out who’s insecure about his bald spot because he HASN’T been out a ton and DOESN’T have that strong internal frame and reference experiences that it doesn’t matter, should shave his head or whatever.

    @Culum @Yollo
    “they are just coming at looks from the “you may as well improve everything you can” angle, which is fine.”

    This pretty much. Handle your looks/grooming shit as a newbie, because you don’t have a strong internal core yet because you don’t have a lot of reference experience yet, and over time when you’re getting results, make an effort to occasionally go out not looking your best (fuck your comfort zone as Julien says below) and you’ll slowly collect reference experiences that it doesn’t matter. And when you go out a lot and have girls on the go, you’ll have nights where you’re in a rush and don’t have time to do your hair nice, or you just happened to go along with some friends to a bar before you could shower up and change into your nice clothes, or you have some girl tell you she loves your body when she’s stroking your man-boobs, and you’ll still end up having good results and these things will just sort of expose themselves as not as important as you thought they were, and you’ll end up just dressing like a normal dude who wears what he wants, and grooms himself to whatever level he wants to and hits the gym when he wants…like the field will naturally make you end up doing those things for yourself instead of “to get girls”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RcAZF8yhS8

    I WISH looks mattered. And girls would just tell me “ew no you need to lose some weight and get a haircut” instead of making out and fucking me lol It would give me incentive to handle that shit which I should be doing just for my health in general.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6OnbrraIGg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PAYhmoKkA

  21. @YaReally

    I recognize the self-love in their words. I also notice their looks reflect that self-care. Julien is telling the truth after all. All that’s left is for my insides and outsides to catch up with my idea for my own life….Thank you so much.

    These guys can sell nerd! But they’re not normal nerds at all. They really believe, or seem like that to the girls, that the girls would love to spend time with them.

    The nerds I used to belong with were the sexless, self-hating types that passive aggressively try to one-up…..ugh you know? Man I need a shower just thinking about it.

    What I find funny is that I once knew a nerd who was alot like Todd Valentine in his delivery and always had someone talking the positive about him. Though I see Todd is clearly a fucking bad-ass. I look forward to his section in PIMP.

  22. @yareally

    “shoving/sucking water up her pussy (like fucking her in and out while submerged in water) can apparently flat out literally KILL a chick.”

    What??! I find this hard to believe, considering how many people have sex in swimming pools or jacuzzis. I once knew a couple that had sex 10m below the surface of the sea, with full scuba gear on.

    A quick google turns up some possible risks, but nothing lethal:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/22/sex-in-the-water_n_5607095.html

  23. benfromtexas

    I think it would be a good discussion for both of you guys to discuss “filtering” women. What are the best traits to look for.
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    Tennis, roller blades and kayaks will filter out the fat lazy girls.

  24. Well the other guys got ya sorted here @betathrowaway. Don’t skip your FR’s, be hoping to hear from ya soon! 🙂

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