Well, I think I’ve teased it long enough now. If you’ve been watching my Twitter posts or you’ve payed close attention in my comment threads you already know I’m the confirmed ‘featured guest’ speaker at the first annual Man In Demand seminar on September 12th, 2015 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
I’ll be speaking and doing a Q&A along with Christian McQueen, Tanner Guzy and Goldmund. We’re doing this collectively at our own initial expense and the venue is amazing (literally on the strip across from the Bellagio). “Seminar” doesn’t begin to do this meet up justice, it’s really a well rounded Red Pill TED conference with each of us covering our respective aspects of Game, style, life applications and of course theory and Red Pill awareness.
While I’m flattered by the response thus far (the VIP tickets are already sold out), it’s not just about me – the idea we had was to give readers / attendees a collaborative all-day experience that they can benefit from on many levels. We’ve made every effort to make this meet up as affordable as possible for guys too ($47). Trust me, I know better than most how expensive a trip to Vegas can be.
You will be impressed by this venue. As you might expect, this is legitimately high-end, not a rented Elks Club hall or a La Quinta conference room.
Needless to say this event is my first (and certainly only for this year) in-person appearance. Just to allay some fears, I have no plans for ‘going public’ in the foreseeable future, so with that said, let me assure the men considering attending that we all place our highest priority on your anonymity and personal privacy. I can personally assure you there will be no media (invited or uninvited) allowed, no surprise interviews of attendees, no video recorded (and certainly not any of the attendees), and no undercover Huffington Post bloggers posing as a hostess will be hired – keep in mind this is Vegas, not Montreal (*wink*).
I know everyone always states this, but tickets really are limited and we expect a pretty full house since Vegas is a premier destination. Each one of us is very accessible and very approachable so it’s highly likely we’ll have some (not on the schedule) social gathering or club crawl after the conference too. I’ll be signing books and if you’re lucky I’ll have a bit of one of my whisky brands left for you to have a taste of too.
So, if you’re going or not, let me know what you think about this. If you have questions I’ll answer them in the comment thread over the weekend. Also, I’m doing the outline of my talk right now so if you have some suggestion about what you think I should cover let me know. I should add too that I have at least one scheduled podcast interview between now and the conference.
Hopefully I’ll see you in Vegas.
Very happy about this.
Congrats, hope it goes well.
The fact that we even need to consider being anonymous is unreal. Are things getting worse or better in that regard?
Watching the gong show going down in MTL it really gives a man pause in respect of the political environment.
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I got a ticket on one of the previous hints a week or so ago. The VIP tickets were already sold out then. Looking forward to it.
Won’t be able to go. Great idea though. You’ll probably cover anything that I could suggest. The changing atmosphere in schools and universities is something that can think of off the top of my head as important enough for emphasis. Maybe mass media influences to go along with that. Basically all the things that are messages that young males get bombarded with once they leave the presence of a father or other older male, who could be very red pill himself, that seek to regress a male back into blue pill. Like beware the sirens. The social gathering, I’m picturing… Read more »
“The fact that we even need to consider being anonymous is unreal.”
@ Agent P-Some people may want to be. So just that nobody’s is worried about it, keep it like that.
Besides, there may be some people who said they couldn’t go to work for some reason and will end up at the seminar.
I think that if you enjoy the first seminar you need to start organizing this in a much bigger scale and in different cities. I can sense that this will turn into a huge thing.
That’s the plan Andrian
Hey Rollo,
Best wishes for the event.
Was wondering if you have considered audio recording of the talks. I’m sure it’d be greatly appreciated by your readers from lands afar!
Speaking of men in demand:
https://instagram.com/p/6D1rUhFp1q/?taken-by=cafelartisteaffame
Apparently that’s the OWNER OF THE SHOP taking/posting the pic of him and directing the mob. Looks like these posters worked:
http://i.imgur.com/D1VC9iq.png
This is both surreal and awesome. I don’t even want to go out this weekend, I just want to stay in and reload RVF over and over. I’m on the edge of my seat over here lol
Looks like he made it into Canada. I can hardly wait for the new ‘secret’ location to be “leaked” now.
I don’t pay too much mind to people’s typos, although I always try not to make any myself, cuz anybody can make them when you’re trying to type fast. But that “you’re” and “your” confusion really makes people look bad.
Best wishes for the event, Rollo!
This time i can’t make it, but next time you are doing another of these event(s), i will be there!
I want to thank you for this Blog and for your efforts!
This Blog is impressive….impressive in every respect !!!!
Wishing you that your conference will be spared the kind of troubles Roosh is currently dealing with in Canada.
I will not be in attendance, so I hope this kind of event makes its rounds in North America (maybe even Montreal lol) and is the start of something much bigger. I know this is a “suck up” comment, but truly both of your books are “must reads” and have changed my life forever. No disrespect to any of the other blogs, I read most of them as well, but I honestly look forward to each one of your new posts in the matter in which you write. I want to thank you for all of your work done to… Read more »
Quote: Old mcdonald August 7th, 2015 at 12:14 pm Hey Rollo, Best wishes for the event. Was wondering if you have considered audio recording of the talks. I’m sure it’d be greatly appreciated by your readers from lands afar! ——— Rollo, please have some kind of full audio of all the speakers and audience questions available in the near future for this event, even if you and the other hosts need to charge a fee for it to make it workable, not all of us can make a trip to Vegas but I would bet many thousands of us would… Read more »
I wish I could go. I have been learning a lot from both Christian and your blog as well as your books.
Michael
Leaving the realm of theory and entering the world of practice. The information is good. The time had to come.
Man what a day the 12th is going to be. Also i hear there is a Boxing match…
Wish you and Christian the best. I’m sure the event will be a success. It is interesting to see a little “sibling” rivalry between you and Roosh.
Heh, you asked for feedback… sounds like buncha Chad Thundercocks havin a vegas bro party. I’m sure there is a demographic for that, especially these days. And you are fooling yourselves if any of you think this does not lead to y’all’s doxxing. But do keep stirrin the pot, it needs the attention.
@fuckyoumoney
Fuckin’ A dude…the last thing the manosphere needs is some sort of half ass civil war. Sniping at each other over twitter is harmless but there can be real consequences to a doxx. Most men are employees and a doxx can destroy one’s career. We are all on the same side and have the same enemies.
Just let the bros bro out. No need to brorape another bro…
Whenever I see that picture, I just think of Frank Sinatra calling Sammy Davis “boy” and the two dudes in the middle standing there awkwardly.
@YaReally I lol’d. I lol’d so fucking hard. @Rollo Really bummed I won’t be able to be there. I do hope to roll the bike out west some time within the next year or two though, so I hope I can swing through the area and grab a drink with you then. In the meantime, gonna try to finish editing and posting the last Man Table this weekend. +1 on a request for audio from the event. I’d really like to hear the talks if you guys would be so gracious as to oblige. I’ll even host a mirror of… Read more »
Or I guess I could put up a tracker for a torrent of the audio. Come to think of it, should probably look at doing that for my stuff too…
@Sun Wukong
“+1 on a request for audio from the event. I’d really like to hear the talks if you guys would be so gracious as to oblige. I’ll even host a mirror of it for as long as my bandwidth holds out.”
Will use phone to recorded it all first going to ask everyone their and the guest. If anyone says no than I won’t do it will need your email and send you one hr files at a time.
Totally staying in tonight, this shit is too good to miss lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWVPG2YfK8 Not just to make fun of Roosh, but the way this is edited. They interview the first main feminist chick that went after him and she’s FULLY playing the victim card and hyping him up as a monster who’s dangerous to women in general, and her blurred out friend who’s again fearing for her life etc, full on damsel in distress. And they snip clips of his videos/articles so that he’s making WAY worse sounding statements than he actually was if you watch the full video. And… Read more »
While I think these convention things are dangerous for doxxing etc, they can produce a lot of valuable information. The 21 Convention does a similar thing: http://www.the21convention.com/video-library/ They bring in guys well-versed in everything, not just pickup, half of the speakers don’t even study pickup but they’re really good at like, finances, or business, or philosophy/mindsets, or exercise/nutrition etc. and give speeches to the young dudes who are at the prime age to take that info in and apply it to their lives and the vids are posted all over YouTube so lots of guys stumble across them. If you’re… Read more »
@YaReally, Roosh didn’t go to Canada to speak to 40 guys about The State of Men. He knew exactly what he was getting into and it has nothing to do with his convictions or informing men about anything they weren’t already familiar with. He’s in Canada because he knows damn well he’ll be protested there. He was talking about going to jail before he even crossed the border. It’s all about the show, and his High Inquisitor Quintus gets his time to play Dungeons & Dragons and quote his favorite fantasy battle movies. The worst that could happen to Roosh… Read more »
@Rollo I agree. I think the hard part for me to process it is that I haven’t actually seen someone purposely TRY to become notorious in a negative hated way before. Like I’ve met a lot of people but most of them are either trying to avoid being hated, or simply don’t care if they’re hated, or who’ve done things for a good reason and accept that they will probably BE hated for it…this is the first time I can think of where I’ve seen someone who’s work/attitude/etc. I know fairly well, purposely TRY to be hated simply FOR the… Read more »
@ YaReally “I can’t imagine the drive behind it all.” I can. It is the strategy to spread hatred among people worldwide. This strategy is implemented differently in different parts of the world. You can find vivid examples here on Corbet Report (https://www.corbettreport.com/category/videos/), so I wont dwell on that. In my opinion the best position to counter is the slogan that simple: “Make love no war.” @Rollo “My concern is that this will snowball out of control …” That is my concern too. I’m so glad to learn about your moderate position. I was intrigued by your evolutionary explanation of… Read more »
Where do I see these kinds of event on the (personal developement/how to act today as man and individual) vs. (man’s right/response to societal change) spectrum?
Houston, we have a problem:
http://30daystox.com/christian-mcqueen-is-a-fraud-eyewitness-reports-tell-all/
The allegations are serious, and there is backing. Your own rep is on the line now, Rollo. Recommend a serious investigation.
@Yareally
“I mean SAY it, but say it ANONYMOUSLY lol”
Good point
I’ll tell you what Joe, I’ll give a personal, honest and objective review of the whole conference when it’s done. I’ll make sure I’m present for all the talks (which I was going to do anyway), and I’ll watch that all the money goes where it’s suppose to go (primarily paying for the venue – it’s spendy even by my standards). If anything is shady, if anything is off the books, if any of the men who attend want to opine about it, you’ll know and read about it here. You see, I have always had an open forum; if… Read more »
God dammit Joe. Cut with the saber-rattling. Men are trying to talk here.
I have never had any business dealings with Christian other than having bought some of his products. All I can say is that I have gotten exceptional value from them.
@Michael
Thanks for offering your opinion Christian.
I find it interesting that Roosh and others are getting hounded. Much of what we’re talking about on the Manosphere is a more edgy version of what’s covered in Esquire or Playboy in the day. Normally I don’t comment on these types of things but I think Roosh is putting himself out there so prominently it’s become provocative. If he kept a lower profile and then posted the results of had podcasts it might have a bigger impact.
@Joe
Thanks for the link Joe. I don’t know whether Christian is a fraud or not. What I do know is that exaggeration and fabrication of one’s accomplishments are endemic to every internet community. There is no way to vet every blogger’s claims. I’ve found that the best way to protect myself against manosphere fraudsters is to spend little to no money.
There is so much free content available due to every blogger adopting the freemium model.
@joe
Yay, some jackass on the internet I don’t know personally who could be lying says some other jackass on the internet that I don’t know personally is a liar. As though every transaction you have with every other human being on the planet as an adult shouldn’t be approached with a certain degree of caution and skepticism.
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Rollo stands on his own reputation, just like every one of us here.
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(Because apparently I don’t know how to link images today)
@Rollo Will echo what others have said: you are doing a great service to men everywhere. Best of luck with your event and thank you for what you do.
Already booked that weekend or I’d be there!
Do we need to bring up the fact that internecine conflict in the manosphere is counterproductive? Sure you can disagree with comments. But don’t be a whiny little bitch. Both within any one blog. Or among blogs. Or personalities. Rational discussions will stand on their own merits. Ad hominem ({of an argument or reaction} directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining) attacks such as the one Joe brought up are somewhat counterproductive to advancing men’s self improvement and advancing their sexual strategy. Another example is someone on Heartist’s comments section when one man levels a comment… Read more »
@SJF and others When the schism between Roosh and Rollo occurred, I publicly stated that they should try and reconcile. I’m only one voice amongst many, but I think most of the ‘sphere feels the same way. Having said that, I welcome any information on a vendor before making a purchase. Charging men $10 for an ebook doesn’t warrant much scrutiny. Selling the supposed keys to Vegas for $500 does warrant more skepticism. The information on McQueen/Benjamin Riley is now public and men can make an informed purchase. If a man feels some claims are dubious, he should say so… Read more »
“When the schism between Roosh and Rollo occurred, I publicly stated that they should try and reconcile.”
Hah!
How is reconciling with someone that is demonstrating they are bat-shit crazy different than a man compromising himself to a woman to try to get in her pants (negotiating desire)?
Tldr; Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Is there any evidence that Mcqueen can get you laid in Vegas nightclubs? Just thought of one other thing. I’ve been a poster on other forums that catered to men. Bodybuilding and finance/trading forums for the most part. There is a common thread that runs between these communities and the ‘sphere. A minority of men achieve good to outlandish success. The rest of the men are left staring in awe at what is possible. Benching 500+…making a 7 figure income trading from home…picking up hot girls with just a look etc. Success at this… Read more »
I’m sorry, could you please quote where it says “this conference will get you laid in a Vegas night club”?
I’m having trouble finding that extraordinary claim you mention.
@SJF
Roosh isn’t crazy. He’s the P.T. Barnum of the manosphere. The man is an internet provocateur and a click bait purveyor. As you’ve stated, internecine conflicts between the various manosphere factions only harm our cause. Just as MLK and Malcom X had to achieve a tenuous peace between their factions, so will the manosphere if it wants to survive.
Ben Franklin said it best, “Join or die.”
@SJF
Roosh isn’t a woman and neither is Rollo. Rational negotiation is possible between men.
Mmm, as evidenced by the 10 minutes it took for Roosh to ban me from commenting on RoK, RVF and block me on Twitter when I challenged him about his Retro-masculine claims about TRP.
I wouldn’t expect much rational negotiation to take place. So you’ll excuse me if I find his pandering cries of having his freedom of speech squelched in Canada a complete load of shit when he practices the same.
Some of us are not that stupid.
You may have been on other forums before, but you are here now.
How bout letting the LV seminar play out?
Nice straw man argument Tom.
@SJF
It isn’t about a man’s IQ, it is about his desperation. Men lost at sea will eventually drink salt water to quench their thirst.
Let’s see how the seminar plays out. There is enough info that should pop up on google now. If a man does his due diligence, he can make an informed decision.
@Tom, well I know Roosh can read my tweets because I haven’t blocked him.
@Rollo
Specifically talking about Christian’s Vegas club game. Not the conference.
Well then in the interests of full disclosure then lets also point out that Roosh: 1. Eagerly jumped at the chance to be pilloried on the Dr. Oz SHow after having written a post entitled “Dr. Oz is a Pussy” on RoK just a year prior. After which his play was to excuse his ridiculed performance as having been “ambushed” by Oz. 2. Welcomed a BBC documentary team to his London stop of his tour knowing full well they were doing a hit piece on MRAs and the manosphere proper. Furthermore, he allowed them to interview the attendees at risk… Read more »
@Rollo
It is unfortunate how the situation has devolved. Somebody has to initially make an overture of peace in these kinds of situations. I don’t expect either party to do it anytime soon. But I’d be surprised if he doesn’t read your twitter feed…
Good luck with your conference. I’m sure it will go well.
@ Rollo
All true. Thanks for posting it. I wouldn’t advise men to go to a Rooshv seminar either.
@Rollo
I know you didn’t block him.
@Rollo,
I think Roosh did you a great favor by distancing himself from you.
Roosh’s secular/muslem background will come to haunt him.
I am sorry to put it this way but, wait till feminists start blaming his Islamic background for his “anti women” views.
The same thing with white supremacists in the manosphere.
You are the rational manosphere.
Keyser, I know, that’s why I’m staying off Twitter today.
Going to look at classic cars and my brother’s car auction today seems like time better spent.
@Rollo “Mmm, as evidenced by the 10 minutes it took for Roosh to ban me from commenting on RoK, RVF and block me on Twitter when I challenged him about his Retro-masculine claims about TRP. I wouldn’t expect much rational negotiation to take place. So you’ll excuse me if I find his pandering cries of having his freedom of speech squelched in Canada a complete load of shit when he practices the same.” I’m honestly concerned that he’s about to go into some far-right territory that gets associated with neo-nazism or radical Islam. I’ve been around internet forums in the… Read more »
@Vitriol
Trying to become religious after travelling the globe to bang sluts for 10 years is the icing on the cake
Naaah, that part’s the most believable part. You get to hear Southern Christian ladies coo all the time when they hear about some murderer’s death row conversion. The religious love that narrative. It’s the story of their team winning in the end!
As you’ve stated, internecine conflicts between the various manosphere factions only harm our cause.
Except that Roosh has neither a “manosphere faction” nor a “cause” other than his own. He’s an attention whore and the typical shitbag who will throw other men under the bus. He has been very nasty towards MGTOWs and MRAs. It’s not a loss if he goes under.
I ‘ve got blocked from rvf and rok pretty much straight away (after dispersing the wisdom of dating russian and ukrainian women which was not in accordance with general party line over there).
Pathetic aggregation of omegas with a chieftain who preaches “american passport” game rather than The game).
Speaking of men in demand again…lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1V5Pi0e954 I missed the part where he decimated the mob in a battle of wits making rational arguments and owning the feminist hate mob with his dazzling display of logic and truth. Looks to me like a classic “psst buddy keep pretending to hold me back from kicking all their asses” fronting move as they scurry away into hiding. Roosh wearing a wig as a disguise is funny shit though lol Lots of great social dynamics going on in the video, from the entitlement of women/feminists knowing they have a pussypass to break the… Read more »
This will be the greatest test to the integrity of roosh. He must take legal action against the radical nazi mob.If he doesn’t-then it’s simply about drawing attention to his persona and selling more of his so called “books” (who buys that shit anyways?).
Sigh. A few points to keep in mind here, folks: 1. Many of us come here after experiencing the truly hateful moronic shit the likes of Roosh V. spew. While of course he has some good insights on PUA (nothing you can’t get elsewhere without the rest of his pseudo-intellectual drivel), his “race realism”, his infantile ideas about politics and economics and the statements he makes about women – he did say rape should be legal, fyi – show him to be an intellectual child posing as a seer. Yes, no doubt, he can fuck eastern European girls if he… Read more »
@Those who actually are serious here – Yes, I did say I would not come here anymore due to the racist/anti-semitic crap. I was also in serious monk mode, dialing my own shit in tighter and closing down stuff seemed like a good idea. But the problem is that this is the only place in the Red Pill world that I participate in after finding the rest wanting. So instead I’ve decided to fight on this platform for the kind of intellectual and serious conversation that does occur here sometimes. This is the place where men who are serious about… Read more »
IMO everyone here should be using a TOR browser and a fake e-mail address. I have a feeling that the manosphere is eventually going to end up on the deep web. It’s managed to stay on the surface for now, but if feminism keeps getting worse and more crazy laws are written and enforced, there’ll be nowhere else to go but underground. I think the end game of feminism is censorship: override men’s right to free speech by labeling PUA/Game/RP material and communities as hate groups and get them banned. That’s limiting male sexuality to the extreme. Make it as… Read more »
Why was he wearing a wig?
@scribblerg “Let’s also focus on being here for the newbie who’s life has just gone down the shitter so we can help him before he kills himself – if he’ll let us.” Priceless @Softek “I wonder if I’d have an easier time developing if I had RP aware friends/mentors IRL.” It would be the only reason the blue pill kept claiming my emotional dis balance is because I didn’t know better and was raised by women. My dad my father my creator was extremely feminized and I had no examples I Had very little room to explore myself. My upbringing… Read more »
@Softie – As long as Rollo doesn’t raise his public profile and blow his anonymity, this site won’t be shut down. But if he draws attention to himself and this site by allying with others who are lowlifes and big mouths, well, yeah, then this site will become a target. TOR is only one of many options for IP anonymity. Do a few google searches and you’ll see there are a number of options. However, it’s not a good general purpose solution as it will affect how websites behave. You are correct though that the trend is toward criminalizing thought… Read more »
@Glenn, I’m glad you’re back and I recognize your concerns. With regard to anyone’s anonymity, this was the first thing I was concerned about in light of Roosh’s intentional use of his audience to boost his own media visibility. I think the BBC documentary will bear this out, but we’ll have to wait and see. Roosh’s pollyanna “I didn’t know the media would lynch me / I got ambushed” nonsense no longer holds up. I told Christian I wouldn’t do the talk if those attending had to risk their identities being compromised. I should also mention that this is all… Read more »
I’m thinking Roosh is borrowing the same tactics that the video game critic uses. Anita Sarkessian. Some of the other things that people have talked about are identical or similar. Blocking as soon as someone disagrees. That video is too dark to see, but instead of disguising, a bad wig makes you stand out like a here I am sign. So the purpose for that could have been met. A leaked location, hoping for a bomb threat to be called in as SJW’s attempted to do with a GamerGate meet up. And that was just those who are on GamerGate’s… Read more »
I understand a lot of the anonymity concerns in the community. This is why I do what I can to allow for it in stuff I’ve set up. @Softek I don’t think the manosphere will go on the deep web. I think it’s in the process of coming out of the shadows right now. Take a look at CAFE, for instance. Despite being a Candian association and therefore operating in a feminist stronghold, they’re actually holding their position against feminist pressure when presenting Men’s Rights issues. Granted, they’re a more neutral group aiming for actual equalism so they can get… Read more »
Like Sun and Glenn I too must circumlocute somewhat, but only to make outing harder to do, via a screen name. If I were outed, I can say to anyone who needs to know: this Fred Flange persona is just that, a persona, I use to comment in certain places in certain ways, as Matt Forney did once upon a time under his Ferdinand moniker. Surprisingly, the moniker thing works better than you might suppose, so our Host need not fear the reaper. He can always keep the RT persona intact for these parts and his books, and do publicity… Read more »
@YaReally
“I mean SAY it, but say it ANONYMOUSLY lol”
I think the very sad part is that men have to go this route, today. They risk losing everything for speaking their thoughts, opinions, etc…
Here is hoping that between the two events (Roosh and the Vegas event) that it’s all much need light on a subject: the fact that men have to remain in the shadows just to speak their opinions in 2015.
ForgetheSky: Try-hard.
Rollo’s response is what the real thing looks like: straightforward declaration of control, accountability, and promise of value. http://therationalmale.com/2015/08/07/men-in-demand/#comment-113704
Good luck with the conference.
I sincerely wish I could get to this! If you do it again, I’ll be sure to plan properly.
I’ll just leave this here…
Just when I was beginning to lose interest:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/denyrooshv?src=hash
@Rollo Tomassi Just read and went few of the videos. That’s the sort of thing my family of Origin would speak like and do to me. Why the hell would someone even do that for money? Good hit hurts I don’t know Roosh but I wouldn’t mind asking sometime in person what’s going on with him. Being male in 2015 is borderline illegal an apparently money worthy yet people can lose their jobs and family’s for showing up to something such as this in a social shaming way that’s again all to familiar. Responsibility That’s one world that I can… Read more »
I hope the Manosphere doesn’t go back underground, due to Roosh’s antics or feminist overreaction to those antics. If they do they’ll be harder for men to find, and if Roosh ends up becoming the public face of the Manosphere then few men will bother looking. And then the feminists and the FI will have won. Of course we know this means the majority of women, as well as men, will ultimately lose.
Roosh is so dedicated to free speech I have to follow his Retweets from people he hasn’t blocked yet
@Rollo Tomassi
Wonder if maybe Canada is more free than the US?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RyzDRc34l2g
Wonder a lot about Roosh wouldn’t mind spending sometime asking him questions in person.
What an irresponsible selfish toxic guy .
Roosh thinks he is bigger than the manosphere!?
Any association with Roosh is an intellectual / public relations suicide.
I think Rollo should read him “his last rites”.
Wow this is why Roosh’s website is on hiatus? Seriously, what an awesome idea, I hope all goes well, just wish I could be there for the fun & knowledge. Hoping we non-attendees get a full report & breakdown of the event. Good luck!
From my perspective, Roosh has always only been a half-clever and deeply flawed circus ringmaster who has never been able to see beyond his own myopically narrow biases. And, luckily for his wallet (at least in the short run), the weak-minded are always an easy draw to his stripe of “persecuted cult” tactics. I’ve read a couple of his books and visited his web sites and I was deeply unimpressed. Nevertheless, he has had some marginal credibility in the past for whatever reason. But post Dr. Oz, his shtick has thoroughly devolved into the martyred Saint Roosh preaching to his… Read more »
@Diplomat, agreed. However Roosh is billing himself as the titular face of the manosphere, MRM, TRP and retromasculinity. He does not represent anything like this, but is only too happy to destroy the equity this community has in the MSM (which isn’t much) and to men seeking real mature answers and Red Pill awareness. If you’ve seen the better quality video of the wig & beer incident on CH you can appreciate the level of carnival act Roosh is willing to embrace, He knew damn well what he was doing and was provoking the response he knew he was likely… Read more »
Diplomat, I think the angst comes largely from Roosh’s role in instigating the mansosphere. He has a self-righteous video where he proclaims himself to be the Manosphere’s ‘father,’ and he exaggerates a fair amount from what I can deduce. But he was there, talking about these topics, from the beginning. I’ve only been here for 2-3 years. So I wasn’t there. I dunno how this feels to more longtime redpillers. I imagine it kinda sucks. And I can see Rollo’s frustration at a man who should be an ally doing his best to sell the Manosphere out to the lowest… Read more »
@Rollo I agree. If I had seen the stuff going on right now during my first few weeks on the red pill, I would have used it all as an excuse to eject. It was only your rigid adherence to a strongly rational frame that kept me onboard in spite of the anger and disbelief. Even then, CH/Roissy almost poisoned it for me with the wildness and the racism. In that case, his rock-solid consistency with Game held me fast, though I had to take a break from him. Roosh is simply coming across as silly and desperate. He clearly… Read more »
@Rollo and Forge Two things I know indisputably: 1) You can’t kill an idea. And especially one that is rooted in absolute truth and bountiful utility; and 2) Legitimate ideas wait out inconvenient historical circumstance with patience, fortitude, and ever-thickening roots. RE: Roosh. Isolate him, deny him legitimacy through amused unconcern, and ridicule him for what he represents whenever the topic is unavoidable. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. It will snowball the legitimate manosphere’s disconnect and rob him of his self-anointed spokesmanship. RE: McQueen. Maybe it’s his game. Being the boozy, smoky, regular joe who brings out the big guns and then… Read more »
As I’ve stated before, I’ve learned that when an idiot is explaining himself it’s best not to interrupt him.
I can post an epic about Roosh’s false-flag free speech horse shit and his long standing policy of banning and blocking anyone who dissents or calls him to the carpet, but then I thought, give him time. Guys like this will always hang themselves eventually.
If Roosh never existed , feminists would have invented him.
The damage this idiot caused to the credibility of the manosphere is beyond repair.
The “make rape legal” post of his, went unchallenged by the manosphere . It’ll come back to haunt every one who didn’t jump ship back then.
This is what happens when the banner is given to boys.
@Rollo My concern is his delegitimizing TRP and harming or disgusting the men who would otherwise need a rational alternative to his circus act. We can’t control what he does. Only what we do. You’ve always made it clear you’re about bottom up change. Individual men and all that. Worrying about the ‘sphere and its reputation as a whole makes no sense in that frame of mind. It’ll all be fine so long as we just let him burn himself out and we as individuals act sensibly. Leading by example is all we can or need to do. Feminists and… Read more »
@Rollo
“Guys like this will always hang themselves eventually.”
https://m.soundcloud.com/user3523124/unwritten-law-seeing-red
@Sun Wukong
“Lead by example. Always lead by example.”
@Rollo Perhaps one of the next posted entries you might strongly consider would be an analytical “State of the Manosphere” breakdown, considering recent developments in regard to further compromised public perception and the possible negative effects on the men who might benefit from RP but may have been turned away by the antics of a few bad players (who don’t even need to be named). You don’t have to call anybody in particular out, but rather speak of the consequences of undermining such an important dialogue. I realize that nearly every post you put up here is a position paper… Read more »
@The Diplomat
“If there is an identifiable, worthy, balanced, and judicious ‘father figure’ of the manosphere—it’s you. Especially now. And I would unconditionally assert that it is roundly supported by your excellent body of work and the many, many people who follow it.”
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtz4Tzr9WJk
What explains experience vs the world?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gDadfh0ZdBM
Since 2009
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cqxwtEdxOCw
Roosh has always been hard for me to take seriously. His “big picture” analysis always seems to be off the mark.
@Forge the Sky
“Even then, CH/Roissy almost poisoned it for me with the wildness and the racism. ”
It was actually the opposite for me (and I suspect many others). CH’s honesty on race lent more credibility to his game/women posts.
I had a concept banging around my head, and I think Sun created a nucleation point for it to crystallize. It’s nothing too profound. I just think that the ‘mansophere,’ though a useful label and identity, isn’t something we should be banking on collectively to be the change we want to see. I think it’s futile to expect it to become a (somewhat) coordinated movement like feminism. Men simply don’t have the correct collective identity to make that happen. Heck, a lot of what we talk about here has to do with men shedding what collective identity they do have… Read more »
@Forge the Sky. I think that is a very valid point to bring up. I think the TL;DR version of what you are expounding on is that a bottoms up approach to making individual men red pill aware and amorally game practiced is infinitely more value for you and I than a top down approach to listening to a “messiah”. Rollo points this out in his interviews. The former is Rollo’s approach and the latter is Roosh’s Neo-masculinity approach . The former incorporates adaptability (men must adapt to employ their inherent sexual strategy) to current intersexual relations in societies we… Read more »
The problem with Roosh’s (and to a degree the MRM’s) top down sales pitch is that the end result is a mob-religion based on jingoisms, easily digestible talking points and an us v. them team tribalism. From what I’ve seen thus far Roosh’s brand isn’t based in real understanding or rational inquiry. It’s all about confronting SJWs the the same, but opposite sort of bumpersticker agit-prop SJWs use themselves. I’m all for confronting the ideologies of SJWs in a forum and crucible of open debate and free speech where either side can suss out the truth of those ideologies, but… Read more »
Not trying to be Jekyll and Hyde, but I think there was my old moniker in a cookie on my work computer (sjfrellc) with that last comment. While I’m at it, as a personal service announcement, things are going well with me in red pill and game. I’ve reached a higher plane this summer. If I post less now it is because I am less unsure of where I am going. I’m controlling outcomes better. I’m very appreciative of Rollo’s efforts to educate and the community of commentators he has cultivated. Several of the commentators here have been a wellspring… Read more »
Holy Shit! Roosh just made Time magazine. He’s also going to go on Gavin McGinnes’s show. Do you guys think he’s going to go mainstream?
@sjfrellc
“The former incorporates adaptability (men must adapt to employ their inherent sexual strategy)”
The red pill
Male sexual strategy… Just getting into that. Without the red pill I would have never seen the point in attempting to reproduce because of all the massive unrelenting shit testing.
I wouldn’t change a thing. I am growing and respect this space deeply.
@Rollo The problem with Roosh’s (and to a degree the MRM’s) top down sales pitch is that the end result is a mob-religion based on jingoisms, easily digestible talking points and an us v. them team tribalism. Agreed. It’s the same as any religion acting as a grab for money or power for those at the top. The entire reason for top-down structures is for the benefit of the top. From what I’ve seen thus far Roosh’s brand isn’t based in real understanding or rational inquiry. It’s all about confronting SJWs the the same, but opposite sort of bumpersticker agit-prop… Read more »
Fuck. Breitbart just congratulated Roosh. Not sure if I agree with Roosh all the way but…well played sir…well played.
Funny how Roosh is readily willing to consort with “moral deviants” and “homosexual degenerates” when they have access to legitimate media.
And here I thought homosexuals were unwelcome in Neo-Masculinity, pffft,…
I find it telling that using the term “father figure” elicits comparisons to buddhas, messiahs, cults, and in-groups. It’s a sad statement that even the RP men have come to distrust the role of traditional patriarchal leadership to that extent, and it further proves my point that a rational male oriented meta-analysis of the current state(s) of the various factions of TRP community would be instructive and would at least give a handful of curious-but-misguided, intelligent, BP men a balanced and grown up perspective that they can glean something useful from. The waters out there are getting choppier, and just… Read more »
@The Diplomat
We’ll said
Well done, Diplomat. I have a very good father myself, and your point makes good sense too me. Given that, it’s very interesting how I seemed to have such a hasty line drawn between ‘father’ and ‘totalitarian cult leader.’
Though to be fair, that line was definitely highlighted by Roosh’s self-declaration of himself as the Manosphere’s ‘father’ and his subsequent actions. Even so, one thinks I would have been given pause at his characterization of fatherhood in that grandiloquent speech….
This has me thinking. Generally, we in the Manosphere ridicule ‘white knights.’ This actually took a bit of an acclimation period for me; I grew up admiring the general character of heroes who defended the weak. Here, we make fun of men who are trying to give the appearance of doing so as a sexual strategy, or as a way of appearing tough against straw men or opponents they would never truly challenge. I wonder if we’re missing a useful archetype in the scuffle. In a similar way to how The Diplomat argued that fatherhood – defined in a properly… Read more »
@SJF
Ultimately the only approach that creates real strength, or real change, is the bottom-up approach. The collective top-down approach generally just transfers allegiance from one authority to another, and does nothing to change fundamental mindsets.
Group thinking is powerful. Group emotions are powerful. They are great for basic, survival-type purposes. If we’re aiming for higher shit than that, we need to pursue greatness at the exclusion of those who would hold us back.
That said, from a Game perspective, creating collective emotions/arousal in a group of girls is truly king 😉
@Forge the sky
“or as a way of appearing tough against straw men or opponents they would never truly challenge.”
In large part that makes me think of how I would rather listen than talk. Not that I am the best at it. But I will not since being in the red pill say something online that I wouldn’t say in person. Rugby drills that in with group team work and lifting.
“Game perspective, creating collective emotions/arousal in a group of girls is truly king ;)”
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fcwR8H7zyh8
@Rollo “And here I thought homosexuals were unwelcome in Neo-Masculinity, pffft,…” What I’m enjoying most is all the videogame, fantasy movie, scifi movie, etc. videos and memes and quotes (someone was quoting passages out of the Lord of the Rings books) and threads in their forum that everyone in neo-masculinity is using to rally up and motivate themselves for the big battle. Between that and how half of them have videogame reviews and discussions and shit on their YouTube channels it’s like where does that whole “Technological skepticism” tennant come into play, neo-masculinists? When are some of you going to… Read more »
I just think that the ‘mansophere,’ though a useful label and identity, isn’t something we should be banking on collectively to be the change we want to see. I think it’s futile to expect it to become a (somewhat) coordinated movement like feminism. Men simply don’t have the correct collective identity to make that happen. I’d add that single men today have every conceivable incentive to be passive. Current trends in politics, culture and the mating market are all pushing them in that direction. You may like this or not, but the fact is that this is the current in… Read more »
@hoellenhund2 “I’d add that single men today have every conceivable incentive to be passive.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DHIqUkmj-o Samurai Song BY ROBERT PINSKY When I had no roof I made Audacity my roof. When I had No supper my eyes dined. When I had no eyes I listened. When I had no ears I thought. When I had no thought I waited. When I had no father I made Care my father. When I had No mother I embraced order. When I had no friend I made Quiet my friend. When I had no Enemy I opposed my body. When I had no… Read more »
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It is interesting to read the criticism of McQueen. However the links claiming plagiarism don’t work, so those can’t really serve as proof. Not that that’s wrong, as copying content for cash is older than the internet. Thieving/shaking-down-in-a-club is something I doubt Christian could get away with with me, and I confess I would be rather gobsmacked to watch it work on someone in person at a random after-ted-talk session in Vegas. The direct link to 30daystox also has a begging the question “proof” that McQueen confirmed the posts contents, which speaks poorly of Robert. Not that it is unreasonable… Read more »
Well, look on the bright side, at least you wont feel like you’ve joined a cult:
Rollo, I’m surprised at you, certainly by now you must remember that I was born into a cult…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_W._Armstrong
One of the things I learned late in my teens is that just about everyone on this earth is vulnerable to persuasion, to suspending their critical thought, even (and perhaps especially) the con artist themselves.
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