Changing Your Programming
I mentioned in the first book that I am not a motivational speaker.
I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be their own self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not a Rollo Tomassi success story, but their own success stories.
That said, let me also add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will and determination. God willing, they can be masters of those circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.
With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions in which he operates and maneuvers.
You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s Hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.
You can unplug.
You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.
These are the last words from The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine. I wrote something similar in the first book too, but I’m quoting them here because they are just as important now as they were when I was writing them then. I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in creating a cult of Rollo. I’m not interested in creating better men, I’m interested in those men making themselves better men.
Descriptions and Prescriptions
You’ll have to forgive me, I wrote this part about a year ago, but I think it’s still relevant now. In part 4 of Preventative Medicine a commenter (who, for the record is not an InCel by any stretch) asked me why I had no real prescriptive plan for men to follow with regards to ‘preventing’ or avoiding the bad decisions associated with the time line I laid out in that series. This was my response:
Imagine for a moment I had the temerity to presume that I know exactly what a 60 year old reader experiences in his personal life with a post-menopausal wife. I could take a good stab at it, but anything specific I could prescribe for him would be based on my best-guess speculations and according to how I’ve observed and detailed things in this series or any of my past posts.
From my earliest posts at SoSuave (in 2004) I’ve had men ask me for some ‘medicine’ for their condition; some personalized plan that will work for them. This sentiment is exactly what makes PUA and manosphere ‘self-help’ speakers sell DVDs and seats at seminars. They claim to have the cure. I say that’s bullshit.
I’m not in the business of cures, I’m in the business of diagnoses. Imagine a PUA guru attempting to force fit their plans to accommodate that 60 year old man’s situation. Athol Kay makes attempts to remedy married men’s (non) sex lives, but what’s his real success rate? Is it even measurable? Even Athol recognizes that his MMSL outline is just a map, a diagnosis, that men have to modify for themselves per their individual experience and demographic. You see, your cure, your plan of action isn’t what another man’s will be, or your future son’s, or anyone else reading my work. I can give you a map, but you still have to make your own trail. I’m not a savior, you are your savior
Short version: I’m not interested in making men be better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better Men.
What’s more legitimate, my prescribing some course or template to follow that leads a man to a success that ultimately I define for a reader, or my laying out an accurate landscape for his better understanding and he creates his own success with it?
Are you your success or my success? I’d rather a Man be his own.
Most men already suspect they know what the keys are, and most even know how to use them, but what they really want is confirmation that they actually have the keys.
My approach to Game is defined in much broader terms than simply ‘how to get girls’, and I think for the better part of the manosphere the understanding of Game has evolved beyond rote memorization of scripts and plans. It’s gotten to a stage where even the most enthusiastic proponents of PUA techniques acknowledge a need for an individualized approach to relating and interacting with women based on a broader applied understanding of feminine psychology, sociology and the particular conditions that apply to themselves as well as the women they’re interacting with.
It’s been noted before, my approach to Game / Red Pill awareness is descriptive, not prescriptive.
I’m humbled by the men who email me and let me know how something I’ve written or shined a light on for them has saved them from suicide or some particular hell they would’ve endured longer in. For the most part though I get email and comments from men who tell me that they have built better lives for themselves because a Red Pill awareness made their situations more intelligible. I don’t sell a program or a prescription because each man’s circumstance is different, his acculturation is different, his ethnicity, society, upbringing, body composition and mental faculties are all different.
But we are all men. If the Red Pill is anything it’s a consortium of men who relate their individual experiences about women, about themselves and about their circumstances in what’s now become a feminine-primary social order. As I’ve stated in the past, I’m humbled and flattered to be considered one of the pillars of Red Pill awareness, but most of what I write is the result of piecing together the related experiences of other men.
I didn’t create the Red Pill, I just describe that awareness in terms I think are intelligible. I connect dots, but much of those dots are presented to me by a collective of men who’ve had common experiences. If those dots don’t follow, if those dots would be better connected in another way, I expect the Men who make up Red Pill awareness to offer their new ideas in an open exchange, in a marketplace of ideas.
Sometimes that marketplace gets weighed down with disingenuous critics, trolls and attention seekers, but this is the price, I believe, is necessary to distill and test the strength of those ideas. Only in a crucible of open debate where all are encouraged to participate can those ideas be sussed out.
Men with questions don’t frighten me; men with no questions do.
Law 18: Do Not Build Fortresses to Protect Yourself— Isolation is Dangerous
The world is dangerous and enemies are everywhere— everyone has to protect themselves. A fortress seems the safest. But isolation exposes you to more dangers than it protects you from-it cuts you off from valuable information, it makes you conspicuous and an easy target. Better to circulate among people, find allies, mingle. You are shielded from your enemies by the crowd.
From Nursing Power:
A handful of my male readers often ask why I don’t moderate comments, or that the message of Rational Male would be better served if I banned certain commenters. I’ve mentioned on several posts and threads as to why I won’t ever do that (except for blatant spamming), but in a nutshell it’s my fundamental belief that the validity of any premise or idea should be able to withstand public debate. People who aren’t confident of the strength of their assertions or ideas, or are more concerned with profiting from the branding of those weak assertions than they are in truth, are the first to cry about the harshness of their critics and kill all dissent as well as all discourse about those assertions.
That’s the primary reason I’ve never moderated; if people think I’m full of shit I’m all ears – I’m not so arrogant as to think I’ve thought of every angle about any idea I express here or on any other forum. However, the second reason I don’t censor, ban users or delete comments is that I believe it’s useful to have critics (usually women or fem-men) provide the gallery with examples of exactly the mentality or dynamic I’m describing in an essay. With a fair amount of predictability, a blue pill male or an upset woman will just as often prove my point for me and serve as a model for what I’ve described.
I never intentionally try to make rubes out of the critics I know will chime in about something, but I will sometimes leave out certain considerations I may have already thought about something, knowing it will get picked up on by a critic. I do this on occasion because the I know that the “ah hah! I got him, he forgot about X,Y, Z” moment serves as a better teaching tool and confirms for me that a critic does in fact comprehend what I’m going on about.
Last week Roosh came out against the various tribes of Game such as it is. While I understand his intent I must disagree with his methods. A couple of weeks ago I got into a bit of political discourse with regard to how the Feminine Imperative and how Hypergamy influences social dynamics. That post generated a lot of conversation, but from it I made this statement:
It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.
Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.
As most of my readers know I have a great deal of respect for Roosh and I still do. Nothng is going to change that. I think time will tell what direction his push for Neomasculine philosophy truly goes in. As far as what he’s describing in that “new” doctrine there’s not much I disagree with. I’ll take issue with his anti-evolution, anti-evo psych stance. I’ll take issue with his want for some as yet undefined moralism; and not because I don’t think morality or reverence to a higher power shouldn’t be part of it, but rather because it pollutes and distorts open discourse.
I’m not an atheist, anyone who’s read my commentary on Dalrock’s site knows this. That said I don’t think there is a substitute for critical inquiry, and when that is stifled, that’s when we lean over into dogma.
From Moral to the Manosphere:
Putting angel’s or devil’s wings on observations hinders real understanding.
I say that not because I don’t think morality is important in the human experience, but because our interpretations of morality and justice are substantially influenced by the animalistic sides of our natures, and often more than we’re willing to admit to ourselves. Disassociating one’s self from an emotional reaction is difficult enough, but adding layers of moralism to an issue only convolutes a better grasp of breaking it down into its constituent parts. That said, I also understand that emotion and, by degree, a sense of moralism is also characteristic of the human experience, so there needs to be an accounting of this into interpretations of issues that are as complex as the ones debated in the manosphere.
Although I’m aware that observing a process will change it, it’s my practice not to draw moralistic conclusions in any analysis I make because it adds bias where none is necessary. The problem is that what I (and others in the manosphere) propose is so raw it offends ego-invested sensibilities in people. Offense is really not my intent, but often enough it’s the expected result of dissecting cherished beliefs that seem to contribute to the well being of an individual.
There was a time I sat in a behavioral psychology class back in college. Behaviorism appealed to me because it was very nuts & bolts, not at all like the touchy-feely humanist schools of psychology. Behavior is the only reliable proof of motive. It was cause and effect, modify variables, and watch for behavior.
At one point I began to see that women are masters of operant conditioning – they had the natural reward 99% of men want, sex. Men’s behavior could be modified just by the prospect of sex, and they could also be influenced by negative reinforcement and punishment. It was one thing to make these observation, but quite another to express them in the classroom. Many of the more intelligent minds I dealt with then would adamantly refuse to recognize the truths that operant conditioning played. After I thought about it I understood that they were likewise motivated to deny what I thought was right in front of their faces.
I had connected some uncomfortable dots; dots that had the potential of making a man less desirable for having connected them. This was really the beginning of many more uncomfortable connections I would make later.
Roosh has tried to make a case that the Red Pill community (subred) has now reached critical mass. He sees it as inbred; a community of complainers – and in some instances I can understand that. Debate can often sound like complaining. However, what I get from Roosh now is a need for answers, it seems to me he’s looking for a plan of action. He wants something prescriptive for himself and other men to follow on with. I get it.
He’s still included Red Pill truths as being an important part of his new doctrine and I’d respect him for that, if not for the wholesale disownment of the consortium that’s been the testbed for those truths for so long. As I stated above, I think Neomasculinity may have some merit, I don’t disagree with about 90% of the manifesto Roosh went to great effort to put together. What I disagree with is how he’s initiated all of this. He does no favors to himself with casual dismissals of principles he knows are deeper than he wants to give credit to – in fact most are principles he influenced personally.
As for my part, I’m going to keep doing what I do and that’s making men aware of the world that’s been pulled over their eyes. I will likely have some strong disagreement with Roosh in the future, but as I’m fond of saying unplugging men from the matrix is dirty work. We’re both in the same family, and sometimes brothers will fight, and that’s OK.
I disagree with him that the Red Pill will cease to go on. It may be called something else, but it’s been around before he or I started writing about it. The “Red Pill”, like many other terms, is an abstraction; a place holder for an idea. Don’t like the Matrix movie references? Fine, but the truth is the truth and freely expressed ideas need words to describe them.
Maybe Neomasculinity is the prescription you need, but from what I can gather so far it’s a movement based on exclusion; not inclusion, not on a free exchange of ideas. Maybe the christianized Red Pill of Donalgraeme or Dalrock is a better prescription for you. Maybe you need the inspiration of a guy like Victor Pride and a better outlook on your physique.
Or maybe all you need is a truth and an awareness to help you lift yourself up. Yes, Red Pill awareness can be very depressing in the beginning, I’ve written several posts and book chapters dedicated to helping men come to terms with that, but ultimately it will be that awareness that becomes the catalyst for changing his life.
The Red Pill isn’t one size fits all, you have to tailor your own life with what it shows you.
Since it is already very “late” in this posts comments and we are already discussing politics, I’d like to write something about my new RedPill-fueled understanding of the political and cultural forces today: The true divide doesn’t run between left and right anymore, but right trough each of those: On one hand there are the economical “leftists”, like (Post-)Keynesians, “Socialists”, Social-Democrats in Europe with the cultural conservatives, who want to preserve family and “values”. On the other side of the divide are the economical conservatives, from Libertarians over the Washington Consensus right to academic mainstream, paired with the cultural leftists,… Read more »
We are in times when the swans is eating dirt while the crows are eating pearls.
Every thing in West today seems to have degraded because of “Perverse Incentives”.
MIC, Education, healthcare, finance, media, law n order, divorce rape epidemic, etc.
Unless the social and governmental incentive structures are corrected , nothing will improve. It will only collapse.
@Glenn “But when the Prog-Marxists (M. Simon, I don’t just call them Progs) got hold of it, they went hysterical. You see the funding was going to be spent mainly on construction projects, which meant that the money would go to more men than women. And at the same time, the big blue states were all facing budget crises that meant they would have to lay off lots of govt workers – the majority of whom are women. Obama caved immediately, of course, and the budget plan was written by a bunch of Prog-Marxists from the Apollo Group – a… Read more »
M Simon: The question is: what is value? And no, there is no capitalism run as a show by individuals. Of course society needs people who want to do something. But the question is: why do something that can be sold on a market, for money? And what to do with that money? Can’t we all do like we do here, everyone writing his mind for free? And that’s where the government comes in. It spends the money into the economy and collects it back as taxes and the trades in between create the market. It’s a system invented ca.… Read more »
@sjfrellc I know I’m just a whippersnapper getting started in life here but let me hit your despondency with two things. First, consider that your state may be more physically based than psychologically. Personally, when I do a bunch of new things, or have a lot of stress, it manifests in depression. So I’ve trained myself to observe my thought processes and be like, ‘hey, I appear to be depressed. What’s the best way to deal with that?’ and then I exercise and take my fish oil and shit. Instead of trying to think my way out. Last night I… Read more »
@Sun Wukong “I would include a massive bubble in education in there. Just take a look at the skyrocketing levels of student debt and the insane increase in the price of college vs. wage growth over the past 20 years. There’s no sane universe in which that level of debt is a good investment, yet we just keep piling it on kids that don’t know any better. “It really is criminal, in my opinion.” I agree. Education is starting to become little more than a great scam. My (uninformed) pet theory is that the education bubble will collapse soon, and… Read more »
@Rollo You know, very often what I hear from Red Pill naysayers is that “Well the whole thing hinges on evo-psych, and I think evo-psych is bullshit (because it doesn’t cast women in the light I want them cast in) so the entirety of TRP is bullshit.” It got me thinking: even supposing that evo-psych is wrong, can “sperm cheap, eggs expensive” prop up hypergamy (and therefore basically all of TRP) on its own? Something I want to think about more, but I was curious what your take on it might be. If evo-psych were out of the picture tomorrow,… Read more »
Notice how when we discuss a “real” subject the “ladies” (and I use the term loosely) disappear? Anger they know. But economics? Even Marxist economics? Nothing.
insanitybytes22
I just reviewed “See there’s a thing called biology…” and now I see how empty and meaningless you really are. The entire site is nothing but a college of copied shallow and superficial cultural clichés, stupidstitious dogmas, and worn out opinions. You have no real initiative and nothing about it is original. Like all your comments, the entire site is a thin veneer of copy cat pasted superficial nonsense. It has no purpose. It, like you, is only a cheap presentation of clipped and pasted superficial concepts. How hollow you must really feel. No wonder you are here…..
lh May 30th, 2015 at 2:16 pm You misunderstand me. But no matter. My other point is that the need for government to create a money supply and run the intermediaries is on the decline. The decline for now is imperceptible. It makes no difference. A drop of water out of a swimming pool. The problem for government is that it scales. And it may be a better store of value than government bonds. If so? Government as we know it – welfare, student loans, government employees, Medicare, etc. – is doomed. It may go back to its limited functions… Read more »
@ M. Simon & Not Born This Morning Men build houses, women decorate. Substance vs. style. Decoration won’t protect against the elements. Our voluntary target are all about style, neither have the least to offer in substance and that which the try to foist off on us are but poor, and misunderstood copies of the ideas of other men. They won’t talk about abstract ideas because those are necessarily divorced from feelings, and require one to think first, feel second if at all. They can’t/won’t engage because there too much risk for their opportunism. They fail to see the idealism… Read more »
@Rollo re: closing comments I personally would advise against it. Remember Law 18 – Isolation is dangerous. As long as these comments run, you have your feelers out – you’re getting more information about the ecology around you. Past that, hold the line. Reasoned engagement might not win over any critics but it will prevent a feeding frenzy, if it comes down to that. The MSM feeds off weakness of frame. I really doubt this will go anywhere bad though. This whole thing is really just a scuffle for in-group influence in the manosphere. Rollo, your work has (perhaps unintentionally)… Read more »
“It may go back to its limited functions – keeping he peace and enforcing contracts.”
There is no “back”. That was never the case in all of history. And btw. it was the solution tried to fix the crisis of the 1970’ies which led up to all the private debt exploding in the 2008 crisis. My guess is now the solution will be more government again. But the rich don’t like it enough yet. Come the next crisis, they will though.
@Badpainter
“They fail to see the idealism that is manifest in abstraction and how that drives practical creation.”
Perhaps this is why insanitybytes22 is incapable of taking a break from shitting on Rollo or wasting her time masturbating to the tune of “Knights In White Satin” to accomplish anything original?
Oh, @M Simon
Out of curiosity based on Glenn’s comment, I clicked on your name to get to your blog. I’ve seen it before, worked fine then. And yeah, now it shows up for a second then redirects to some sketchy ad website.
I’m not sure if Glenn wants to post a legitimate email here (can’t speak for him), but maybe you could find a different way to connect….
@ Not Born This Morning
Originality is difficult for everyone, but the when minds engage in the combination of competition and collaboration of robust discussion that is where original ideas, and inspiration are born. Evening as a silent spectator it is inspiring. Those who can contribute nothing but empty vague criticism are left out, and likely feel deprived as they are confronted with their own intellectual emptiness and dearth of curiosity. I’d say they should be pitied if they weren’t so damn boring.
“Notice how when we discuss a “real” subject the “ladies” (and I use the term loosely) disappear? Anger they know. But economics? Even Marxist economics? Nothing.” I have a great deal to say about Marxism, about social engineering, about an ancient enemy’s tactic of dividing men and women, and how that all plays out today in the final decline of Western civilization that we can see going on all around us, but such things would not be welcome here. Besides, you guys seem far more interested in wallowing in your own rage and taking pot shots at women than actually… Read more »
^^^^ boring ^^^^
lh, No. This what was done to fix the crisis in the 70s. “Look, we understood we couldn’t make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue…that we couldn’t resist it.” – John Ehrlichman, White House counsel to President Nixon on the rationale of the War on Drugs. The ushering in of the Police State. It is so bad that not even the Prog-Marxists can… Read more »
insanitybytes22
May 30th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
I notice you failed to say a great deal when you claimed you had a great deal to say. Thanks for providing ample proof of my thesis.
Forge the Sky
May 30th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Leave a comment with your correct e-mail here:
http://classicalvalues.com/2015/05/breast-feed/
Mention TRM.
M Simon: “keeping he peace and enforcing contracts” is the Police State.
^^^^ boring ^^^^
I’ve actually never been in a group of men that act like middle school mean girls. It’s is somewhat weird, rather pathetic, and a bit boring.
With guys like you in charge at least I know civilization shall go over the cliff rather quickly. That’s rather reassuring, I was worried it was going to be a long, tortuous process.
^^^^boring^^^^
So many words so little to say, rather like a little yappy dog.
@Shiva- its a shame your comment has not received more attention. I would never have thought of that angle, but it’s a great observation that really demonstrates female nature and how it works.
You can almost define women by their desire to give to those who don’t need, and utter contempt for those that do.
“Notice how when we discuss a “real” subject the “ladies” (and I use the term loosely) disappear? ”
A photo posted at Nathan Lewis’s New World Economics:
http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2009/112209_files/kimono2.jpg
The caption is:
“Do you think those guys are done talking about currencies yet?”
“I think they’re talking about street width now.”
“This is the most boring party ever.”
Insanity: “I have a great deal to say about Marxism, about social engineering . . .”
Hey Glenn, she says she’s been trying to talk to you about Rawls. Funny how you didn’t pick right up on that.
Shiva H. P. May 30th, 2015 at 1:46 pm We don’t disagree much. My “they’ll find a way” comment is just more cynic. I see quite a few long term risks for the US/the West, of which the biggest is corrupt elites who extract from the empire instead of building it properly. But on the other hand the rise of the machines matters a lot. Once machines are cheaper than Chinese there wont be many humans left in the creation value-chains. And as an European I have to say the US is positioned quite well for that information age. All… Read more »
Guys,
Insanity will never break the veneer of her empty superficial and supercilious shell. It is most likely impossible for her to do so. Therefore she will never contribute anything worthwhile here or anywhere. She is a complete waste of any consideration. Unfortunately her type will always be in the back ground making useless and annoying noises.
Not Born This Morning: Hmm…, her last attempt was almost cute game.
@Forge the Sky May 30th, 2015 at 2:17 pm “Possibly a flurry of novel social and medical experiences has left you a bit frayed. Cultivate yourself, and your thinking might right itself organically.” That is some very nice insight that indeed, I think, hits the spot. I don’t ever get depressed and despondent. But I would call it anxiety and minor dread (a subset of depression) this past week. I guess my medical scare kind of piled on all the other novel things I have been doing for the last three months. The fact that I dodged an imagined bullet… Read more »
FYI, this is one of the reasons why the Political is Personal: I am a Center-Right moderate who likes his Federal Reserve and has no desire to return to a Gold Standard. Tying the Red Pill into monetary policy is a “?????” move that spooks some people. A lot of Red Pillers are part of a broader alt-right community which contains a lot of gold-bugs. Also has a lot of neo-reactionaries, a lot of other guys who don’t like the War of Northern Aggression, HBD crowd, etc. I mean, that’s not what the Red Pill has to be, so it’s… Read more »
“Tying the Red Pill into monetary policy is a “?????” move that spooks some people.”
Alpha Fucks/Beta ?????
@ sjfrellc “Roissy’s ninth commandment of Poon really helped me in my flow of behavior with married man game. Green light your wife’s emotional needs while keeping frame for your own needs.” That ninth commandment is something it takes some time to learn how to do. When a guy in a blue pill state has a girl fall for him, he is connecting with her emotions in some way (if its not purely beta bucks, which I know in my case it wasn’t since I was living in a trailer house living on about $10 an hour). I don’t think… Read more »
insanity ” a couple of happily married women “ .. and my BSometer just hit off the pin. One’s married nigh on 30 years the other 27 or something, and have nowt better to do than grub around in the benthic slime of a manosphere blog? What the hell for? Pound to a pinch of sugar, no kids, and therefore no grandkids to occupy their time, as would be more fulfilling at their age. Literally nothing better to do than feeble attempted griefing of disinterested strangers for attention, day and night. I think I’m going to well up, guys. Help… Read more »
Crossphased, if you haven’t already watch the movie Blue Valentine and don’t be that guy. Ten years ago or more I read David Deida’s “The Way of the Superior Man” and it made me want to puke because of the gay way it explained Roissy’s ninth commandment. Let your woman roam. I think we see it expressed in sexual adventures men describe in the Manosphere. The ones where guys are skilled at getting the girl to go wild sexually. Esp. with the married woman that get the Alpha on the side. Marriage is harder than serial monogamy,or spinning plates, but… Read more »
I figure that Roissy’s Ninth in a short term relationship would be more concise. That being “F*ck her good”. Just do it.
“Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic.”
I have no idea what that means. Nor the rest. Sounds like abstract poetry, or perhaps trying understand green as colorblind person. Not to suggest it’s wrong but I really don’t get it.
lh
May 30th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
M Simon: “keeping he peace and enforcing contracts” is the Police State.
Well no. Enforcing the LAW is a Police State. Keeping the Peace is what police used to do. We used to have Peace Officers. We now have Law Enforcement Officers.
@Badpainter “I have no idea what that means. Nor the rest. Sounds like abstract poetry, or perhaps trying understand green as colorblind person. Not to suggest it’s wrong but I really don’t get it.” Huh, that’s interesting. I’m always interested in how different we all come at everything. For me, that bit made me ‘get it’ a lot more than I did before. Women need to experience their emotions with you. That’s how they feel like they’re connecting with you. Emotions, like desire, can’t be negotiated; so you just need to throw yourself in the moment and see if your… Read more »
A Definite Beta Guy May 30th, 2015 at 5:15 pm If you like the Federal Reserve you don’t understand it. Remember 2008 and its aftermath? How many bankers went to jail for falsifying loan documents? How many got bailed out? That is the Federal Reserve. We are now repeating what got us into 2008. That is the Federal Reserve. I do agree about the gold standard. So think about this. How would you design a monetary system that is based on the productive capacity of the economy? Real wealth. The best definition of real wealth I have ever come across… Read more »
A Definite Beta Guy May 30th, 2015 at 5:15 pm Just a piss waste of resources. And this is affordable because….? Productivity is slowed by carrying dead weight. And the government demands you carry a little dead weight here. And just a pinch there until you are immobilized by a million threads. Gulliver. And this all matters here? Because men (in general) are producers. Production is how Betas get (used) pussy these days. Beta bucks. If production is relatively unencumbered even Betas can get some satisfaction. So how do we return America to production? Start dropping dead weight. And to… Read more »
“Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic.” Badpainter, you understand but don’t want to accept that men think logically and woman think with emotions and act covertly. Married women would rather stroke and brush and groom their cats with more vigor than they would give their husband a hand job. Women would walk their dog religiously because that is what the dog “needs” without the understanding that their husband has needs to get laid regularly too (a need of a masculine male). Grooming cats and walking dogs is an emotion that is totally arid… Read more »
Glenn
May 28th, 2015 at 11:06 am
“@Tilikum – But of course, a human being can’t kill its ego. It sounds cool to write in a comment though…”
Actually, a man can choose to ingest ‘the old lysergic’.
It has a most remarkable ego dissolving effect, and changes one’s perspective on the world in a lasting way.
And those entheogens cause a burst of serotonergic signalling in certain brain pathways FWIW 😉
A Definite Beta Guy May 30th, 2015 at 5:15 pm You are correct about Soviet Social collapse. But look deeper. What caused it? They were always behind in the making Dept. They were always behind in getting stuff. They were always evading the police state. They had to maintain two personalities – one public (Marxism-Leninism forever) and one private (I’d love to be able to go to America). So in the end the lack of good economics depressed them. A common saying was “they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”. We are headed down that road. Can… Read more »
@Forge, 1. suppressing or not feeling their full emotions. This was my gig, I had a subconscious fear of expressing what I fully felt about anything. Solution – get past the suppression and all will be well. I’m not a big fan of revealing emotions. But then, I remain the most unemotional person I know. I would understand and evaluate my emotions but I don’t think red pill game involves spilling your secrets for the betterment of your woman. They (women) don’t want explication. They want you to just get it. If you want spill your emotions, the less said… Read more »
@sjfrellc @Badpainter re: “That may seem like I’m using a non-sequitir to explain it, but don’t entertain the thought that masculine logic has anything to do with it. Green-lighting women’s illogical emotions is a way into Alpha perception by her. Let her roam because it is a green light for her. Holding her back from free reign emotions is a yellow or red light. The lights are metaphors outlined by Athol Kay.” Look, not reacting to a woman’s emotions is basically a way of giving her permission to express her negative ones. I recently had a girl who’s kinda close… Read more »
@sjfrellc “I would understand and evaluate my emotions but I don’t think red pill game involves spilling your secrets for the betterment of your woman. They (women) don’t want explication. They want you to just get it. If you want spill your emotions, the less said the better. Sure be genuine and congruent but don’t volunteer man emotions unless they are DHV.” I suppose you’re right there. I’m playing as specific game here, the sort of ‘fun passionate guy,’ and it’s not universal. I should add that I strive to not express passive emotions like sadness, despair, or fear. Only… Read more »
I don’t know. I perceive that her negative emotions are irrelevant. Amplify her positive ones.
But I speak in context of a LTR. I suspect that this is also true of hooking up in a short term relationship.
Nothing is easy, but the commitment card is in your hidden hand for this girl, Forge. Hold it wisely.
I understand your gaming this woman with the emotion card. I guess I’m too many years divorced from pickup game. So I would recuse myself in advice to you Mr. Whippersnapper. Sounds like your take on the matter is legit.
@Crossphased “I’ve always been somewhat socially awkward and take things to literally, so some humor goes right over my head, but this emotional intelligence book seems good for some of that. ” I am still learning brother “so far is to visualize myself as a father who has affection (without needing validation) for people but has his own life. ” I am me I don’t need anyone else to tell me that. Reading Rollo is as if you. Get to keep your balls and move on with your head up. @sjfrellc “Don’t be socially awkward. Assuming it’s not an inborn… Read more »
Typing at the same time. My 9:42 post was obviously prior to your 9:38 post.
“I’m not trying to say that men should just express whatever they’re feeling . . .”
Certainly not. That just makes you a raw open wound. That’s no fun for anyone. What you do is use your emotions to lead hers, and do not allow her emotions to lead you.
Allowing her emotions to lead you would just make you a raw open wound, That’s no fun for anyone.
@KFG
“What you do is use your emotions to lead hers, and do not allow her emotions to lead you.”
Waking me up to MY issues in relationships.
“I should add that I strive to not express passive emotions like sadness, despair, or fear. Only things like anger, happiness, passion. That’s important. Woman dig a guys’ emotions, but only if they’re the right emotions lol. Solipsism and all.” It is exciting women’s emotion that are the key. Not volunteering men’s emotions. I’m sure there is a lot of PUA techniques out there that are valuable. I’m just not knowledgeable about them. “What you do is use your emotions to lead hers, and do not allow her emotions to lead you.” Well said Kfg. My emotions are irrelevant. Her’s… Read more »
Haha, thanks guys. I think that I was just really repressed and so becoming not repressed made a huge positive difference for me. I’m still trying to find a good balance wrt emotions and expressing/controlling them. Right now I just have a bias towards expressing more because I was expressing too little and girls that knew me well could sense that. So expressing your own emotions is basically a tool you can use to excite hers. Makes sense. I’m just drunk of the power of finally being able to do that, lol. But it needs to be used properly, as… Read more »
@Jeremy
“Often these activities for their respective sexes backfire because they reveal elements of the nature of the person that are entirely undesired.”
That’s the redpill for me.
“It is near impossible to get someone to understand something when their survival depends on them not understanding it.”
Tell that to someone who learned to cope in all the wrong ways. It’s painfull but becomes peaceful with the redpill.
Regarding emotions, I don’t think I ever learned to handle then right before now. My strategy was basically hide them as much as possible, at least the negative ones. Sad thing is, from an AFC perspective, getting married you think your woman is going to care about those emotions and support you. I honestly didn’t realize it is a huge DLV. What you guys are talking about is great and it gives me ideas, especially the part about letting her roam. I shut down a lot of her expression that was bothersome to me a few years ago (ignored her,… Read more »
@Rollo
Hope your mother came through her surgery well, and I hope it was nothing serious.
Thank you Diplomat, her knee surgery went perfect. I’ve been watching movies with for the weekend.
@All, there will be no closing on comments here, ever. That may encourage trolls, but such is the price of true discourse.
Carry on. New post by Tuesday if not before.
Thanks.
@ Rollo Tomassi @ Jeremy You could really save us all a lot of time if you had the curiosity to read Estrus Yeah I read the article. Estrus in humans is an evolutionary artifact, genetically conserved. It might be more important than the Appendix. Maybe not. It’s self evident that it’s not determinative. Have your scientist friend visit us and we can talk to her about it. When a topic interests me I’ll occasionally interview a biologist and publish the chat online. Maybe if I find some time I’ll talk to her myself. Most of the time scientists are… Read more »
BumpInYourRoad, Rollo, dude, this is a personal message to YOU. I know you will delete it, just as you deleted my previous post. And I expect you to, in a sense of privacy between you and I. That’s fine. I’m speaking to you, directly, now, not to your audience. I intend this to be my last post to you ever, as my ship has finally come in, and I will no longer be holding court here. What do I want to tell you? That what you’re doing here is wrong. Leading these poor males down a road to perdition day… Read more »
Hahaha. Why do all the lamest trolls soliloquize like a poor man’s Bond villain?
Dude (or Dudette, as the case may be)…have you even read the Rationale Male? From all the bloviating drek you just spewed out, it is entirely apparent that you haven’t. Please do yourself a favor and go read the articles and then come back and discuss. Or don’t.
Personally, I hope it’s the latter. You’re seriously reaching.
http://cheesewearingtheology.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/supervillain.jpg
All, please do not acknowledge/respond to charlottebytes. With every post, they subtract from the sum of human knowledge.
Glenn, a bunch of ‘doomer’ sites are roughly in accordance with your prognosis.
Collapse, however, might not necessarily be a single event affecting all simultaneously.
Collapse can be happening right now, family by family, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, borough by borough, city by city, region by region, unevenly distributed in time and space.
Individuals/groups/localities still flourish in a general background of decline.
People will largely not notice until they find themselves outside the “circle of civilisation”.
The discussion about the influence of a “motherhood instinct” seemingly exploded the comments section to 800+. I postulate this: For regular men (non apex, non-natural) living in today’s western world, this so called “motherhood instinct” is irrelevant. The reasons for this are so simple that perhaps some commenters fail to see the wood for the trees: 1) ACCESS to motherhood is blocked for men today, because the female executes all legal and social rights to reproduction (and this one reason would be enough, but there is more) 2) The “motherhood instinct” as a positive, value-adding mindset within a relationsship applies… Read more »
@Crossphased “@sjfrellc When you started your MAP, did you deal with some anxiety like what you’re talking about now? If so, that makes sense; I wondered why I was dealing with feeling really dark about every 2 weeks. All the changes I’m trying to make must take their toll some way.” I was too busy to be anxious. One thing that helped the most was getting to the gym and lifting weights. Also getting out more either by myself or with guy friends. And it was more working on making myself better than trying to change her. So in the… Read more »
@LH – I have neither the time nor inclination to sort your confused thinking out completely. I will point out two things: 1. We are in a time of unprecedented money creation. 2. There has already been massive inflation – the money went narrowly into certain asset classes (real estate, securities and other capital markets speculation). Funniest? Your assertion that we have debt because wages are too low ( this is likely a derivative of your neoMarxism) Question: Where does consumption come from? What comes first, production or consumption? But lets start with basics. Establish your economic bona fides for… Read more »
M, I think a good Adam Smith quote applies here. “There’s a great deal of ruin in a nation.” Pretty much every state has to carry along dead weight and dive into pretty heavy head-winds. It takes a lot to kill a nation. Most large-scale state collapses typically have economic dimensions but really come from ethnic divisions. You can’t motivate people to kill each other for just money, people just don’t care enough. People care an awful lot about their ego-invested ethnic identities, though. I just don’t see any wide-scale collapse in US future….though, as people become dependent on government,… Read more »
@insanitybytes22
Coming from a woman who commented in 4+ threads, trolling everyone with the best blue-pill-world-fem-guess her mind could offer on the subjects before we received any confirmation she read a single word of Rollo’s material… I would say that your words are about as hollow as that thing that passes for an intellect you pretend to have.
@Shiva – I love Bastiat but you don’t have the first clue about the actual state of labor in the U.S. today in the working class. We probably have as many as 15 million under or un-employed Americans who would snap up assembly jobs for very low wages if they were available and they had no other choices to survive. And these jobs aren’t skilled, it doesn’t take decades to train for assembly jobs. We also produce plenty of engineers of all stripes and have machinists and the infrastructure to provide and train more as needed. Your entire characterization of… Read more »
Men aren’t angry at women, men are angry at bullshit.
@Rollo and NBTM – There is a reason I call them cunts and talk salaciously about banging 20 year olds and how badly older women smell etc. I know they already hate me. I know I have no chance to have a productive interaction with them. But they are human, and certain things get under their skin. So I go straight at it, knowing I’m playing a stereotype and that they will not grant me any humanity. At 52, I finally get it – I’m a utility to them and as an older man, I’m simply useless to them. So… Read more »
@Rollo
I feel for you right now. I just gave up reading the comments. Ever since finding your site, I’ve made an effort to read everything including the comments because I’ve learned so much from it. This one? TL;DR unfortunately. Who has this much time? These trolls are going to either kill your threads because the become TL;DR, or they are going to force you to moderate. I have no idea which one is better.
@Definite Beta Guy – Okay, now some questions for you: 1. What is the total indebtedness of the U.S. federal govt? State govts? What other unfunded liabilities do they face? If we were creating a balance sheet, what would it look like? How bad would the asset/liability mismatch be, in NPV of course? 2. Collapse – You have injected a meaning that neither M. Simon nor I gave it. I’ve said here before that we are in the early stages of the consequences of our orgy of debt and monetary insanity. And I don’t think that collapse will look like… Read more »
Shiva, You’re thinking like a child of the Industrial Revolution. Wealth creation? Huh? Successful society? Value extraction was the way to become wealthy throughout history and was in fact a very long-term thought process. Civilization itself probably started as a local band of thugs figuring out they could stay in one place and continue to leech off the same people forever. Romans, Mongols, Spartans…the successful societies produced the best warriors, because at some point you were going to get raided or you were going to raid. And that was how you got glory. Everything’s changed post Industrial Revolution, but there’s… Read more »
Glenn,
Debt is an accounting transaction. Declaring Jubilee tomorrow doesn’t impact the physical capital stock of the country in any way. Unfunded government liabilities just means the government made too many promises and is going to fuck someone over. It doesn’t mean the economy will collapse.
ADBG,
“…breeding ourselves out of existence,….”
Not breeding if you’re talking about the West or Europe…..but wtf are you talking about?
Look at population growth trends and birth rates. Successful societies don’t have birth rates below replacement, they grow over time. At least that’s what your past successful societies would tell you.
“I don’t have babies because I want to focus on my career”-Doesn’t matter what corner of the globe or what epoch of history you go to, everyone would be baffled.
That doesn’t mean we’re wrong, but we’re cultural aliens to the vast expanse of our history.
ADBG,
By that statement it sounded like you were one of the “overpopulation” alarmists.
@Glenn: You’re doing yourself no favor with this kind of questions. In serious peoples Economics they are hardly discussed. It wasn’t my intention to call for comparing dicks. I just wanted to warn some fellow brothers not to buy that shit of “too much debt – it has too crash”. It’s way more complicated. Out of the 2008 crisis there was a secret saying of some hedge-fonds managers: “Talk Libertarian, but invest Keynesian”. Think about it, it worked. 1. What is money? An anonymous, transferable IOU 2. How do free markets work? If free means without government: Not at all.… Read more »
@Definite Beta Guy – Here are the answers for you. What is money? Money is a means of exchange, a store of value and a unit of account. How do free markets work? Price, profits and property rights are what drive free markets. Ownership creates the inherit right to free exchange, as an essential aspect of property ownership is the right to dispose of it however one sees fit, including transferring ownership to someone else. People are self-interested and part of that is seeking to optimize profits. But as Adam Smith laid out so well in his Theory of Moral… Read more »
@ Rollo Tomassi
Twitter Feed of Dr Martie Hasselton
I just checked Dr Hasselton’s Twitter feed and she participates in all sorts of discussions about science. She’s a talker. She’d be eager to discuss her Estrus studies that you repeatedly mention. Book her for an interview and we’ll get to hear the truth unfiltered.
I interview biologists/geneticists a few times each year. My last interview was with an Orthopaedic Surgeon that holds the patent on a specific type of robotic implant. I’d love to talk to Dr Hasselton about her Estrus studies. I’m fairly sure she’ll set things straight.
For those of you abused in childhood – and it is way more common than admitted. Retribution is coming to some of the abusers:
http://classicalvalues.com/2015/05/brewing-sex-scandal/
^^^
Estrus appears to be something like the Appendix of the female sex drive.
It’s a tertiary participant in an overall strategy. It’s probably useful in certain environments. Doesn’t make much difference in others.
Let’s get Dr. Hasselton on and talk about it. I love to learn and I’m sure you do too.
A Definite Beta Guy May 31st, 2015 at 10:48 am Glenn, Debt is an accounting transaction. Declaring Jubilee tomorrow doesn’t impact the physical capital stock of the country in any way. Unfunded government liabilities just means the government made too many promises and is going to fuck someone over. It doesn’t mean the economy will collapse. You might want to look into the crash of 2008 and see who got fooked. It wasn’t the bankers who perpetrated the fraud. As to collapse – you are in a sense correct. Monetary collapses in a relatively free economy last 2 to 4… Read more »
@M Simon
My abuse is just a gilft in appreciating the redpill or being here that much more.
At the end of the day it’s my attitude and choice that will have an impact but one thing I have learned is how likely I am to abuse my own offspring.
@ M Simon
Monetary collapses in a relatively free economy last 2 to 4 weeks. That is about how long it takes to figure out how to do business when the money is worthless.
Yeah I think most people imagine a Fury Road type of scenario but that’s now how it really works.
Germany hyperinflated in 1923. Just 16 years later the Wehrmacht was dominating most of Europe. Hyperinflation destroys the parasitic, paper wealth stored in asset bubbles. Houses/stocks/bonds, etc.
The real wealth that people need to survive i.e. production and know-how recovers and carries on.
@Charlotte: “I’d say, “Oh, hell, gimme the blue pill (and a glass of wine) so I can enjoy life.”
Be careful swerving into the truth. This is a Red Pill forum and a Male forum so why are you here vomiting FI principles and defending female solipsism while claiming to not be part of the problem? Men are the oppressed class in this culture and we are getting damn sick and tired of it. Never again.
@A Definite Beta Guy
Unfunded government liabilities just means the government made too many promises and is going to fuck someone over. It doesn’t mean the economy will collapse.
Yeah, government debt would never be part of collapsing an economy. Oh wait…
@BP: ““Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic.”
It means don’t get caught up in her emotions. Enjoy them like you are playing in the surf and for God’s sake don’t try to logic the hamster. I say the same thing though less poetically- Don’t feed the hamster, especially after midnight.
When you’re running on fiat currency instead of on currency valued against actual, tangible assets then the collapse of belief in the value of that currency can and will throw the economy at large in to turmoil. Government debt matters, as it’s a big part of how fiat currency is valued. If a government is believed to be unable to pay its obligations, the value of its currency crashes as investors abandon it for safe havens.
If you think that can’t eat an economy alive, you’re kidding yourself.
@Bpp
I say the same thing though less poetically- Don’t feed the hamster, especially after midnight.
Unless it’s dick. Feeding them dick after midnight is just fine.
@ Sun Wukong
Yeah, government debt would never be part of collapsing an economy.
I’m watching Japan, Greece, Puerto Rico, Detroit, etc. etc. Because the way these entities respond when they go broke gives us a clue as to how the USA might respond when it goes broke. And it’s gonna.
On Estrus: Women go into Estrus when they ovulate. It is OBVIOUS when you know to look for. She dresses in low cut shirts, slutty makeup, huge hoop ear rings, and has a perky, agreeable attitude that screams fuck me. Strangely, her cunt shields are at full power but if you manage to power through them with OI good things are going to happen. This effect varies between women just enough to fool men and varies just enough with one woman to fool her. While it is not obvious when you think that women are random- and may we recall… Read more »
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_w3H-jMj1X28/SchHmqTIRxI/AAAAAAAAALc/QPc0w22E6Mo/s400/Total_Credit_Market_Debt_vs__GDP.png
Brace yourselves folks. Consider yourself warned.
@ Bluepillprofessor
I’m not saying Estrus isn’t real. it is. But in my personal experience women always want sex. Tall, muscular men with strong jawlines are never out of style. At no time of the month is Chris Hemsworth not handsome.
Maybe there is some preference shifting during the month but meh….. (shrugging shoulders). Not a big impact on how the world works out.
At what point during a girls cycle does she find this man unattractive?
http://i.imgur.com/w54vSTx.jpg
Chicks will always like this guy. Estrus doesn’t change much.
Apex fallacy. Carry on.
@ Rollo Tomassi
I think you and I tend to disagree on degree more than direction.
A handsome guy is always going to be handsome.
A fem guy is always going to be feminine.
You are 100% correct that Estrus probably shifts that around a little bit.
“I tell you this with 1000% certainty: egging on males to be pissed off at females is the #1 worst thing that you can do for their spiritual well being.” Amen to this! I’ve been trying to make that point for sometime now. Glenn of the “cunts, sluts etc” and other assorted insults, says he knows women hate men. Complete nonsense. Most of us love men very much, husbands, sons, brothers, fathers. “Changing your programming,” Tomassi, has got to include something about not perceiving yourself as someone hated by all of womankind. That’s a false belief that hurts men. That’s… Read more »
Insanity: “I’ve been trying to make that point for sometime now.”
Leading by example.
@insanitybytes22 I’m not sure it’s about women hating men. It’s about women completely discounting men. We are simply an after thought the minute we fail to stay useful. All of the stuff written about opportunistic vs idealistic love, solipsism, and relational equity. I’ve witnessed all of that in my 50 years, and it has bitten me hard. I’m going to borrow from Hillary Clinton. “Women have always been the primary victims of war. They loose husbands, sons and fathers”. That is it in a nutshell. A man can be blown to smithereens in a war and women will still see… Read more »
I should add that I see it right now with my mother and father. He has been given 3 months to live. All mom can talk about is how she isn’t ready for this. My dad has always been an inconsiderate jackass that way. The nerve of him dying before she is ready for it.
“I’m not sure it’s about women hating men. It’s about women completely discounting men. We are simply an after thought the minute we fail to stay useful.” You’re right, many women completely discount men and feminism has made it so much worse, because women are now actually indoctrinated into it. They can’t see it however, it’s something most aren’t even aware of. Women don’t hate men at all, they’re confused, even more confused then many of you guys. Somebody has to lead here, though and it’s not going to be women. I’m sorry about your father. I lost mine a… Read more »
So why then is it an anathema to women for men to have our angry little space as the manosphere is so often characterized? Trust me. After we finish digesting the shit sandwich we’ve been fed, we will get on with our lives. I simply will not understand why women who say they are supportive turn around and chide us for actually having an emotional core. All I ever heard growing up is that men need to show their emotions more, but the second we do, we are quickly instructed by women that our emotions and how we choose to… Read more »
“Somebody has to lead here, though and it’s not going to be women.”
Are the women going to STFU and follow? Are they going to insist on a veto, consensus, or compromise?