Secret of the Red Pill

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Joker79 from the SoSuave forum relates a common red pill dilemma;

I’m a huge fan of the rational male and I can’t deny that it helped my a lot in these years. I’m spinning plates and I can literally pull out from the crowd the girl I want to bang. I find really amusing though when I challenge some chicks with the uncomfortable truth of the matrix (e.g. their hypergamy, decreasing SMV with age, the feminine mystique and so on). I wonder which is the common (and the worst) reaction you got from your female friends, girlfriend, women you’re meeting daily when you show them that you know the game they’re playing? I usually get “pffff NAWALT” or “you’re a player” or they seems to be butthurt once they realize I turned the table against them… nothing concrete of course because they know I’m right. any meaningful and/or funny experience?

Synergy1 adds the most common response:

I don’t openly discuss the RM and other theories with people, but its funny how a lot of the truths are actually accepted by people. Just the other day I had a discussion on how if you insult a man its funny, but if you mention a fact about women, it’s considered misogyny. The coworkers’ comment was that women are weaker than men are and I responded – why do you hate America. It got some laughs.

Some people get it. These are the same people who have been through divorce and see things for as they are. The younger guys who are still in fairytale land don’t understand or buy into it.

Joker79:

It’s not really discussing openly or starting a conversation about red pill topic, it’s more about observing their behavior when your reaction is different from what chicks expect (e.g. walk away when you’re supposed to beg them to stay, hitting on different chicks when she’s with you and disrespects you and you’re not trying to qualify for her attention at all). More often than not you get either an annoyed reaction (he’s a player) motivated by the discomfort of her knowing that you know her strategy and how to workaround it or a butthurt behavior where she pretends not to care and avoid you (rationalization hamster spinning!)

Think about it this way – you can never tell a woman about the red pill or how Game savvy you are, you can only show her.

Demonstrate, never explicate. While it might be satisfying to overtly crush a woman’s gender perceptions, being overt will always come off like conceit, or bitterness or melancholy.

If your purpose is to alienate and/or correct a woman you have no interest in by pointing out the brutal truths of being Game-aware, that’s certainly your prerogative, but you will never get into a woman’s pants or be more attractive to her by explaining the Game you are engaged in with her (or hope to be).

Women want a guy who Just Gets It.

She want’s you to ‘get it’ on your own, without having to be told how. That initiative and the experience needed to have had developed it makes you a Man worth competing for. Women despise a man who needs to be told to be dominant. Overtly relating this to a guy entirely defeats his credibility as a genuinely dominant male. The guy she wants to fuck is dominant because that’s ‘the way he is’ instead of who she had to tell him to be. Observing the process will change it. This is the root function of every shït test ever devised by a woman. If masculinity has to be explained to a man, he’s not the man for her.

Remember what I’ve bolded here, the same applies to you revealing your understanding of Game. As I’ve stated many times, women may think they want the truth, but they never want full disclosure. Women want to play the Game with you, but they want it running covertly in the background, not overtly and in her face. Much of the reason the red pill, Game and the manosphere are vilified by a blue pill public is due to the overt nature of explaining the psychological and sociological mechanisms operating underneath the social conventions, ego-invested beliefs and masks we wear in engaging with the opposite sex.

The red pill strips away a comfortable veneer – we’re supposed to Just Get It, without explaining how we just get it. Men being the more pragmatic and rational sex tend to think that a reasoned approach should be the most practical one. We deduce that women ought to be just as reasonable and can handle the truth – after all the constant repetition of how women and men are the same with different genitals – so to the uninitiated, newly unplugged red pill guy it seems sensible to remove all the pretense and explain all his understanding to a woman he’s interested in.

Play with her, and play with her.

As I’ve explained before, appeals to a woman’s reason will never bear the fruit that hopeful Beta men expect it will. Women don’t want to be told how the Game works (on some limbic level they already know how it works), they want to play the Game with a Man to determine that he knows how the Game works. There is nothing so self-satisfying for a woman than for her to believe she’s figured a Man out using her (mythical) feminine intuition. Understanding this basic tenet of women is one of the most under-appreciated advantages men have in Game.

This is where the ‘Art’ in Pick Up Artist is important. Too many men believe that understanding red pill truths and the underpinnings of Game should be enough to be convincing with women, but that learning isn’t enough. Playing the Game and applying that knowledge with women without revealing an overt understanding of it is an art that must be practiced and developed to the point where adaptation and improvisation become second nature to a man. Men with this understanding are often the ones with the most comfort and facility with women – Amused Mastery is his natural state, because he knows his advantage in not revealing the secret of the red pill to any woman he’s interested in.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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livingtree2013
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I have an idea to answer your question, Rol – women are opting to have children without marriage because… well, because its easier. Being married, as more and more women are starting to realize, is really fucking hard (not just for you guys), and often not worth the trouble, even when they are almost guaranteed to earn less income than if they were married. Incidentally, less than 10% of total single mothers in the US are collecting welfare. I’ve gotta head out to an appointment, but I’ll bring on the math for you when I get back.

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@Living Tree

What you refer to as genuine people who don’t care what people think are just alphas. They have internalized a certain life code and things are simple. The rest, who still need to try, are betas with perhaps some shades of alpha that have not yet fully formed.

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Hmm, Interesting theory, New Yorker, not sure I’d agree with you though. I take them more to be gammas. http://socialpathology.blogspot.ca/2010/03/gamma-man.html Gammas are the ones that pose a threat to the status quo, the loners, the private types that question the system. Alphas I’ve met have a tendency towards extreme opportunism, domineering, and ultimately, conceit – Alphas being the ones that betas emulate and prop up in our capitalistic society, because of their superior game skills. I think at some point in everyone’s development, they come to a crossroad, when they recognize what’s expected of them to participate in this society,… Read more »

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BTW, New Yorker, I have met a lot of Alpha males (and females) in my time, and not one of them I could say with sincerity doesn’t care about what other people think of them. Quite the contrary, actually, they are generally speaking, more obsessed with it than betas are. Alphas are acutely aware of the fragility of their rank, of the constant challenges to it, and they work diligently to maintain position, often by way of carefully designed charismatic distractions.

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BTW, New Yorker, I have met a lot of Alpha males (and females) Here we see a standard attempt at a reframe; redefine the terms, and thereby control the narrative. By peddling a definition of “alpha” that is different from the more or less agreed upon usage of the androsphere, LyingTree clearly wishes to steer men away from thinking in clear terms. There is no such thing as a “female alpha” in androsphere terms, for example. Throwing that meaningless term out there is not communication, but obfuscation. Now, what purpose is served by fogging up men’s thinking about women? Is… Read more »

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LyingTree2013 Corral??! WTF are you talking about? I don’t want you in any corral, I don’t want you being used any more than I want women to be used, or any more than I want either of us to learn to be better users. I want us all to be able to stand on our own two feel, take responsibility, have agency for our actions, even our bad ones. But, since using seems to be all we know how to do to each other these days, is there any option besides play along, or leave? Yes, corral. LT likes to… Read more »

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Its not intended to fog you, AR, its intended to remove the blinders from your eyes. I know you’re just learning this stuff, and its much easier for it to be as simple as “choose alpha or beta” and “feminine imperative” but there’s far more to this than you think. There’s plenty of evidence of it, and you can use it to your advantage, if you would just pull your fucking head out of your ass, stop hero-worshipping Rollo (not that you aren’t awesome Rollo), and learn something more than just what he tells you. Or, if you just want… Read more »

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@Living Tree What you define as Alpha are just ambitious betas. The definition of Alpha is of someone who does not project vulnerability. Money, career, etc. Have nothing to do with it although they of course correlate to alphatude to some degree. A stressed out CEO who can’t hide his fears from his wife is a beta compared to a regular Joe who has his life under control. The definition of Alpha is having control over your life. You can’t have control over your life if you don’t give primary impetus to your vision of the world, which by definition… Read more »

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Well New Yorker, I suspect that we’re just using two different names for the same thing. I disagree with you, I think men are more complex than just simple, limiting alpha and beta classifications. But anyway, I don’t even care about the definition, I really don’t. The social ranking system is a made-up social concept in urban mythology, without any scientific definition. Its kind of ridiculous, and I feel ridiculous using the terms, so I’m not going to get into a debate with anyone here about what they mean because that would be preposterous. All I do want to say… Read more »

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I’m sorry Rollo, but I’m not sure I get what you mean. You have posted linkbacks to your articles several times in response to things I’ve said in the past, but in almost every instance, they largely validate whatever it is that I’ve said. Not even one time can I remember where you “completely dispelled” a `”knee-jerk reaction” you believe me to be having. Au contraire! I really should thank you more often for backing me up! This last link you posted basically said exactly the same thing that I said in my post (though you said it with considerably… Read more »

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“.. I`d really prefer it if we didnt focus on me, please. Ì know you guys are deliberately doing it to make me talk about myself ..”
… a-a-aaand. As if by Magick.
Women lack agency.

And as averse as I am to nominating anyone as a troll (rather than merely slightly stupid), almost the entire post above that …
… well … Concern Troll is Concerned.

It’s like ‘show and tell’ at the kindergarten. A fresh-minted exemplar of the Imperative in every post. Brilliant!

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OHHHHH my god! My bad,I totally get it now! I foolishly had assumed that you guys gave a shit what women have to say, but I now realize what you’ve been stating here all along, that you only give a shit about women’s opinions when you’re trying to fuck us, and even then you only pretend to care if there’s a chance of getting laid (being the betas that you are). Since you stand no chance of getting laid with me here (plus you have the advantage of anonymity), you feel entirely comfortable dismissing my input outright. I’m so sorry… Read more »

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I have officially lost interest in you.

Looks like Rollo’s got a new groupie…

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That was more directed towards you, AR, and not because I think your behavioral problems are sexy as heck. I have the rare ability to make my inward beliefs and my outward behavior congruous. I am attracted to integrity. You do not have it.

Whereas, I do think Rollo has some rare abilities which do make him more interesting than the average MRA subscriber. That being, he is able to read between the lines, and understand without accepting an opposing point of view. Perhaps under his tutelage, you might learn those skills one day.

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/further-materials-toward-a-theory-of-the-man-child/

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I have the rare ability to make my inward beliefs and my outward behavior congruous. Of course you do. That’s why you intersperse your thickets of text about “fairness” with little stink bombs of coercive utopianism. I hope that you have not caused injury to your shoulder with all that self-back-patting. I am attracted to integrity. Of course you are, since a man who strives to keep his word is much easier to manipulate by a woman who knows she can change her mind at any time, “just because”. Plus if need be, you have the option to go all… Read more »

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AR, if you can find ONE single example among anything I’ve EVER said on this forum relating to any form of coercion or utopia, please do point it out to me, I will be sure to correct it. I suspect though that you are fixating on what you think I said, but didn’t actually say, because for some reason you have been trained to believe that feminists are marxists, and that marxists are bad, so therefore feminists are bad. Admittedly, I had a few moments of delusion in my youth that there could be great strides made by way of… Read more »

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lt2013 AR, if you can find ONE single example among anything I’ve EVER said on this forum relating to any form of coercion or utopia, please do point it out to me, I will be sure to correct it and But meanwhile, as I plan my escape from the inevitable chaos, there’s no reason as far as I can see not to help out the poverty-stricken single-mom neighbor’s very decent kids with some mentorship and personal development that they wouldn’t otherwise get from their bum dad…. Exactly. Or as Marx put it, Labor battallions will be formed. So I’m going… Read more »

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Oh yes, I can certainly appreciate the vast gulf between our “philosophies”. And since you appear to be a nutjob of epic proportions, I’d rather not engage with you any further if you don’t mind. Although that seems to be impossible for you, since every single one of your posts contains some diatribe directed at something I’ve said which you’ve extrapolated into your chart illustrating female totalitarianism.

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LT2013 Oh yes, I can certainly appreciate the vast gulf between our “philosophies”. I feel your pain, it must be simply dreadful for one of the pack mules to decide not to be a pack mule anymore. And that pretty much sums you up: men are objects for women like you to use, and little more. Rather as Stalin chose to use the zeks in his construction projects, but on a retail rather than a wholesale scale, and without obvious executions. Well, obvious executions, anyway. A man who blows his brains out to end his depression while being divorced is… Read more »

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PS:
LT
And since you appear to be a nutjob of epic proportions,

Ah, Code White, a classic example of feminist shaming language as seen here:

http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

I’m always impressed by medical doctors who can diagnose other people over the Internet. Tell us, LyingTree, where and when did you graduate from medical school, where did you do your residency, and in what location are you a licensed medical professional?

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You have to play dumb a little bit because she is hoping to sucker you.

Once she realizes she cannot manipulate you at all she will move on.

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@rol My theory had always been that the general public is becoming more and more wary of marriage because numbers of failed marriages are giving it increasingly bad rep but you got me thinking… In my generation at least (Europe, 90s kids) there’s virtually no talk of marriage except for the topic of divorces. Virtually everyone I know either knows someone who has or has been through that particular wringer between 6 and 16. There’s very few idealists left who believe marriage can still work and, even among the womanfolk who do believe, incentive to marry is shot down by… Read more »

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“appeals to a woman’s reason will never bear the fruit that hopeful Beta men expect it will.”

exactly.

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The solution to the battle of the sexes is quite simple, we must eliminate all women at once, starting with our country the (US)! Science already made a break through, scientists can take a man’s bone marrow to make sperm, a doctor in Japan (Helen Lang Lui) successfully created an artificial uterus and carried a goat to full term in an incubator. They’re already doing trials with human embryos, since we (men) can reproduce without women, women don’t have any value whatsoever! Once we get rid of all women our problems will be solved completely. As for sexual gratification, we… Read more »

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Remember what I’ve bolded here, the same applies to you revealing your understanding of Game. As I’ve stated many times, women may think they want the truth, but they never want full disclosure. Women want to play the Game with you, but they want it running covertly in the background, not overtly and in her face.

You can actually train them to like it in their face. To be comfortable with their nature. My first GF taught me that. Back in ’62. But most of them won’t like it. At first.

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“Men’s biggest weakness is their illusion of strength.
Women’s biggest strenght is their illusion of weakness”

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Too late for me. My wife is all over this. In an effort to reassert myself (become red) , I now feel I am fucked. Thoughts?

Patrick
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Why give the keys to the kingdom to those who already have them or just don’t care.

If we have strong inner game then they will ‘just get it.’ Why give up whatever slim advantage we have.

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Demonstrate, never explicate. While it might be satisfying to overtly crush a woman’s gender perceptions, being overt will always come off like conceit, or bitterness or melancholy. Before finding TRM, I hadn’t internalized this particular lesson. However, it worked to my advantage because I explicated the whole “men are never friends” to my plate and she got visibly upset about it. I followed it up with Amused Mastery and she was cuh-learly deep into Indignation. A few days later she was still fuming about the implication of her being an attention whore. I used my physical presence for personal space… Read more »

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There’s something peacefully simple and understandable about hypergamy, to me. I’m possibly interpreting it wrong, but my outlook has come to this: Men will always be expected to perform above and beyond. Women will always expect to get the best man for the smallest personal investment. It used to be hard not to look at it as entitlement but now I just feel bad for them; to be in a pattern that, from my outside looking in perspective, looks like a running battle of self-defeat ‘I want a man to provide for me but they don’t make me sexually aroused… Read more »

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