I Have a Secret

One of my Monday morning rituals is to check out Postsecret and peruse the week’s selection of postcard confessionals. A former co-worker turned me on to the voyeurism of this blog almost 6 years ago now. When I was first introduced to the blog and read each of these confessions (they’re not really secrets if you think about it) what struck me was the consistency and repetitions of certain themes. Granted, Postsecret selects for what’s going on seasonally so you’ll get family confessions around the holidays, sex confessions around Valentine’s Day, and the ubiquitous “my father was a no good sonofabitch” secrets around Father’s Day.

However, it’s during the off weeks, when there is no impending holiday or no important world events (like a mass shooting of innocent children) that the themes and regularity of confession really solidify when you pay attention. I’ve used a select few of these secrets as header pictures for a handful of my posts, but my secret is that I’ve made a habit of keeping tabs on a specific themes of postsecrets this year. So, from the selections I’ve collected below, see if you can figure out my secret themes,..

icheat

itgetsbetter

2ofthem

onback.somysonandfuturebabysharethesameDNA

SIze Matters

happynow

free

lakers

 

untilyoudid

PS3

PS2

PS1

Alpha-Widow1

secret

video

125 comments

  1. Now that you bring up Postsecret, I think this was my very first dose of the Red Pill when I read it frequently years ago. I couldn’t believe some of the things that women wrote and the consistency with they appear.

  2. Stuff like this explains why in almost every civilization women’s freedoms have been greatly restricted; they simply lack a moral compass, and their actions are dictated only by their immediate interests and emotional state, their solipsism making them unable to see any further. They hardly can be considered responsible for it though…and therefore, few freedoms can be granted to them. Patriarchy or chaos, make your choice.

  3. Women will always do what they believe will benefit them, no matter what the cost to the men in their lifes. All the postcards have in common are what men are in relation to women in terms of being success/relationship objects. Bascially these postcards are hypergamy personified.

    Notable ones:

    * Sleep with an alleged raptist because of status
    * No interested until she heard he had a big dick
    * Using beta men for marriage/children/wedding while still pining for alpha

    It just hammers the point home that men are simply accessory objects to a woman’s life and she will never love a man unconditionally and all this straight from the horse’s mouth.

    Postsecret are irrefutable proof of every damn thing Rollo talks about.

  4. With a hypergamous nature and a a spinning rationalization hamster, a woman’s goal in a relationship is purely self interest and selfish where morality often takes a back seat if it doesn’t fill her need.

  5. I dont get how the iphone is helping the wife cheat in the first one though..
    (Maybe I am stupid because I even have a iphone and still dont get it)

  6. I have no doubt that the likes of Aunt Giggles will say I’m just looking for something I want to find, or that the selection process of ‘secrets’ to publish is controlled, but the consistency of themes amongst women is to the point of being predictable.

    Most secrets of men aren’t lamenting some bad decision they made, but rather missing out on what they thought could’ve been something more. As for women, the only thing I can come up with is this post:

    https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/women-regret/

  7. Try going to textsfromlastnight.com.

    That should be the number one source for unplugging blue pillers. It’s amazing the constant $hit you see women posting on there regarding their latest situation.

  8. Combine the answers from Furious and from DJDamage, and the answer is clear.

    The postsecret cards are proof of the feminine imperative, plain and simple. Whatever serves the woman’s interests is the course of action to take; and the man (men) in her life are accessories and utilities.

  9. Rollo, perhaps you were just looking for something you wanted to find. But you found a whole lot of it!

    After reading those, I think I’m going to need to smoke.

  10. To the users who asked about the Apple comment:

    Its easier to cheat with a smartphone because of the internet (facebook App) access, you don’t even need to worry about having someone’s number, recieving calls/texts out of the blue (especially when the significant other’s is there or if her man manages to grab and peek into her smartphone while she is away from it) and thus the worry about leaving a trail decreases. In the past a cuckhold husband could at least look into her phone bills for incoming/outgoing calls, check his wife texts on the phone or become suspecious when she recieves unsual calls late at night but now if she wants too hide something she can.

  11. I always find Post Secret hilarious these days, but that wasn’t always the case.

    The last girlfriend I had and I would always sit down together every sunday and read it. Now that I’m red pill aware, I realize she was living vicariously through those secrets, where as I was disgusted by the actions of many of them.

    Now they’re just a good indication of the decline and how people really act – and a reminder that the people submitting these secrets are not a minority, not special, nor bad. Just normal people. They’re the girl you’re going to approach at the bar tonight, the woman you want to marry, the daughter you raised, your cousin, your mom, the girl that LJBF’d you, your father, your brother, your friend. You have to accept that people are like this, and plan for it, and find ways to motivate them to treat you properly instead of the way they treat these people in their secrets.

    Weekly motivational messages for learning game and gaming the world – that’s what post secret is.

  12. ” Women will always do what they believe will benefit them, no matter what the cost to the men in their lifes.

    ** All the postcards have in common are what men are in relation to women in terms of being success/relationship objects. Bascially these postcards are hypergamy personified.

    Notable ones:
    * Sleep with an alleged raptist because of status
    * No interested until she heard he had a big dick
    * Using beta men for marriage/children/wedding while still pining for alpha ”

    Interesting: This is why I have a problem with the PUA claim that “Personal Charismatic Value” trumps “Power, Money, Status.”

    How many times have we heard that women don’t want to fuck “money or status or power” – That women really want to fuck the Aloof “Skittles Man.” living on his friend’s couch who wants to use her for sex.

    Really?

    The problem I see is that these are often the SAME MAN.

    If you’re talented enough to get notable Power, Money, Status, you most likely have a sizeable dose of Aloof “Skittles Man” in your personality – PCV, already.

    You don’t get to the top by being a “cream puff”. You’ve get the Power Money Status because you already have a good dose of “Skittles Man”: Dark Triad.

  13. More proof that the future of game is money, status and big penis oriented nothing else matters besides those and an alpha mindset….

  14. @Lucky White Male

    “You don’t get to the top by being a “cream puff”. You’ve get the Power Money Status because you already have a good dose of “Skittles Man”: Dark Triad.”

    Women are hardwired to the personality traits that traditionally achieve resources and power. Over the ages, the aggressive men that didn’t give two fucks about women wanted were the same guys commanding other dudes and having the cash.

    Also, the teaching of basically being an arrogant asshole is a traditonally symbol of power itself, since back in the olden times only big chief could get away with it since a beta male that acted this way would draw the ire of big chief who would cleave his head off with a broadsword.

    Now since we have alpha proxies to protect everybody with the law, in the middle/upper SES you can game the system by acting like a dominant alpha appealing to chicks hindbrains without a true alpha running your head into a law because people with jobs/careers won’t risk their future on violence.

  15. Furious,

    Women don’t just want to fuck the personality traits necessary to get resources.

    Women want to fuck men who also ACTUALLY HAVE the resources. Imitating personality traits is not enough.

    In many cases, you can’t: because if you actually have the personality traits you have the resources.

    The whole thing about “Alpha Proxies” has been overblown.

    The Rawness has made too much of how supposedly powerful they are. He uses “Ronnie” from “Jersey Shore” as an example of how you can’t really be an Alpha today, because you have to deal with an Alpha Proxy like the police who will stifle you.

    Let me get this straight: You’re using a lower class prole with a 100 IQ as what I should think is possible, or not possible, as an Alpha in society?

    Meanwhile, 80% of the posters on these blogs here are over 125 or 130, and have substantially higher talents, earning power, etc, on and on. The difference between us and “Ronnie” is night and day.

    The Rawness wants you to think that all American women are somehow “sugar babes” of the Alpha Proxy government. This is actually far from the case.

    There are certainly base safety nets – but if you have notable money success and power, you HAVE SUBSTANTIAL leeway, power to exercise, and attractivness to many women today – you ARE an Alpha – your “Alpha Proxies” are largely irrelevant to your day to day life. So you have police in your vicinity – who gives a fuck. How is this affecting your “Alphaness” if you are say, earning over 150 K a year, or you have prominent status as a blogger in the national conversation, or you have a big cock. Etc. It’s not — you have Alpha – go out and use it to score pussy.

    The Rawness reminds me of Half Sigma: two blowhards who specialize in making distinctions for the sake of meaningless distinctions.

    Think about it: The Rawness says “Don’t try to be Alpha” because a “real Alpha” can go out and kill people with his bare hands and have 100 wives like a Sultan of Egypt. And since you can’t do that today, “you are not an Alpha,” so just imitate one, and play it safe..

    Instead, you should do things to be “Middle Class Alpha” such as “Don’t be afraid to throw a punch if you really have to,” “Don’t say thank you constantly to people,” and ” “Don’t screen your phone calls”

    Ridiculous.

  16. Look man, hot girls fuck the guy that turns them on.

    Money isn’t shit when she has money enough money herself to live a very comfortable lifestyle.

    What appeals to women is the primal traits that turn them on with social domiance being the numero uno. In the past social domaniance meant that you had the money and resources. You had the thugs backing your ass that made it possible to act like a dickhead. Thus being a dickhead is attractive in it shows you have true power.

    Power leads to resources, Game mimics power, Game = attractive.

    Take DC for instance, everybody has money, it’s a given. The guy that sticks out is a guy with Game because it’s instinctively attractive. The rest have money,status but they act in a way that primal says I’m a subservient beta bitch.

    Game appeals to the hindbrain and social domainance is king. After that looks and body fitness. Why is this so hard to understand?

  17. I’m bookmarking this fucking post. Next time some vapid whore asks me why I don’t man up grow some balls and stop being so damn selfish for not trying a second round at marriage 2.0 I’m going to shove this phone with this page so far up her ass shell be able to see it from inside her skull.

    Fucking furious this post makes me.

    And Deti nailed it again as usual!

  18. @Ronin,

    Esther Vilar’s book is what got me here. I was researching BPD because I could never get to the bottom of why my “childhood soul-mate”, a woman I’d been attached to since I was 13 y/o was so…crazy. Anyhow, Esther Vilar is a saint in my book. I wasn’t surprised to learn she was a medical doctor before writing her book series. Did you know her books are still banned in the USA? No library will host it and any publisher that is part of the power structure will not bring it here…and I thought we lived in a free country….. I literally bought 11 copies off of Ebay and gave them all my guy friends…even tho more than half said I was nuts and that women were not like that.

    Side rany,,I was reading an article today about Adam Lanza’s mom and ran into this:

    “Nancy Lanza, received $289,800 in alimony this year. It was to continue until December 2023, with slight increases each year for cost of living.”

    ….exactly….

  19. You mean a small penis is a bad thing? B-b-b-but the manosphere has poo-poohed this idea from the beginning, along with the fact that height and ugliness don’t matter and can be overcome with game no matter what.

  20. I can see why you make this a weekly thing to do. It is easy to loose sight of the true underlying nature of women. I constant jolt is a good thing.

  21. With the iPhone you can send text messages using the Apple iMessage, which goes through Apple servers not the cell company servers. On any other phone you send using the old style text messages, which is bad for cheaters. I remember my old cell phone bills listing the number of texts sent and received for the month, plus a listing of when ALL were sent, received, and which number they went to.

    All that is gone with the iPhone. No paper trail for cheaters.

  22. I’ve known many girls that own or have owned Postsecret books in print it’s demoralizing. It’s like their bible, grimoire, or revelatory code. I remember a 14 year old girl I “dated” when I was that age read it with excitement. Like: so this is how I can be!? Yippee.

    Same goes for women 20 years older. Postsecret as coffee table entertainment.

  23. Reading stuff like this makes me think of Matthew 24:12.

    “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.”

    Society unleashing and supporting women’s innate evils without the boundaries that used to protect them is going to make it hard for any man to love them. While the red pill reveals just what you are dealing with when it comes to women…it makes it very hard to even have the incentive to protect, provide, and lead them.

    We have to be in the end times.

  24. Furious,

    You are a good commenter – but even DC women have a ceiling on how much of their own “money, power, status” they can get.

    Women are not made to excel in the workplace, and indeed they don’t. Even the “richest” single broad wants to fucking STOP WORKING if she could land a high status sugar daddy with a big cock – who most certainly has the same dark triad traits as a Skittles Man who has every David D. video.

    Even Gloria Steinem – the poster girl for “Female Independence” married a multi-millionaire.

    Surely – when you extrapolate outside the bubble of DC – women everywhere will drop pants for Money Power Status. In no way have any “Alpha Proxies” eliminated the craving for Money Power Status in actual men.

    Understand: You cannot be a broke “Skittles Man” and bang as many hot quality chicks as can the same Dark Triad man who also has Money Power Status.

    The PUA community is perpetuating a lie because 95% of guys in America do not have Money Power Status and do not have the IQ or potential to get it.

    So PUA’s can’t sell product if they say that.

    Enter people like Krauser, who are saying: There are some myths in Game, starting with high value women do not sleep with low value men no matter the time of day.

    http://krauserpua.com/2012/09/26/some-common-myths-in-game/

    Please understand: Women want to be turned on, but the Money Power Status guy will destroy the Game-Only guy every single time.

    Starting with the fact that the MPS guy almost certainly has the same amount of Dark Triad traits to get where he is in life.

    Sure there are some of these guys who “have never heard of Game.” But going into 2013- 11 years after Mystery – is this really possible?

    Most likely these MPS guys have not only heard of Game – but are so ambitious generally they have eagerly gobbled up and implemented Game.

    Guys with Money Power and Status are on the FAR END of the spectrum for things like ambition. In fact, these are the guys who are probably eating up Game to begin with.

  25. “Understand: You cannot be a broke “Skittles Man” and bang as many hot quality chicks as can the same Dark Triad man who also has Money Power Status.”

    I call bullshit on this, the guys I personally know getting the most pussy are low life scum and they are banging everything from hair dressers to execs.

    The monied guys I know are either working to many hours to even get bangs or are too aspy to apply game.

  26. “Surely – when you extrapolate outside the bubble of DC – women everywhere will drop pants for Money Power Status. In no way have any ‘Alpha Proxies’ eliminated the craving for Money Power Status in actual men.”

    Those cravings aren’t eliminated, far from it, and nobody seems to be making that argument.

    Actual money, power or status, big muscles, a great skill at something, or a big cock all inspire the tingle to a greater or lesser extent.

    However, through game, guys have learned how to inspire the tingle that money inspires without actually having to have money or any of that other stuff. Being good at game with a greate physique is better than being good at game if you’re chunky (same goes for a good job, status, etc.), so your physique matters. It’s just that your attitude matters more.

    You used to act like a badass because you had someting tangible going for you. We used to assume that having something going for you was what turned women on, but not necessarily. We’ve since discovered that you can be that badass without having to actually be good at much of anything else. We’re finding women aren’t very good at discerning between what they think they want and what they want.

    Furthermore, if you have great status or something similar, you are very likely to get cuckolded by the guy who cleans your pool for you if he has game and you don’t. This has always been the case to a certain extent (stable boys were legendary), but there are far fewer economic, social, or moral restrictions on women than there have ever been, so they go with their “gut” more often.

  27. @Lucky White Male: There are only a few MPS guys anyway (just as always) so what would you have to say about that? It’s obvious women want money just like men want good-looking women. Women would be with a guy who made “average” money but wish he made more money. If we’d apply something similar to men, it can also be said a man wishes the “average”-looking woman he has could have the hourglass-figured body that 99.9999% of men are attracted to.

    It’s totally understandable for a woman to wish her man made more money but quite frankly, who doesn’t want more money? Money makes everything easier. For one, it allows women to redecorate whatever environment they’re in whenever they want. For men, it makes it easier to get women. I’m sure that has been proven many times. Nothing gets a woman’s clothes off easier than money.

  28. @Lucky White Male: “The PUA community is perpetuating a lie because 95% of guys in America do not have Money Power Status and do not have the IQ or potential to get it.”

    Which lie? The belief that a man can get women if he’s broke? Plenty of broke men out there get women. Typically, they’re the “thug”-types. Either that or they’re “chubby-chasers.”

    “So PUA’s can’t sell product if they say that.”

    What product are you referring to? Isn’t their product online for free? I’ve never heard of people having to pay to read about PUA.

  29. @tatereral: It’s probably gonna be the start of a new era but at the same time, maybe not. With more brainwashed men coming through every year, it’s hard to envision a future where the majority of men stop protecting and providing for women even with how family courts are.

    I get that it’s in their nature but I don’t get how many times men have to stick their heads in a furnace head first to realize that they’re gonna come out with burns.

    It reminds me of this:

    “Two monks are washing their rice bowls at the river bank when they notice a scorpion drowning. One to the monks rescues the scorpion and it stings him. The other monk asks, “Brother, why did you save that scorpion, when you know it is in its nature to sting you?”, The stung monk replied, “Because it is in my nature to rescue it.””

  30. This post should be required reading for 14 year old boys, to give them some idea of what they’re going to be dealing with for the next 60+ years or so.

  31. @Lucky White Male

    I guess in my city, everybody I know has decent money plus a respectable job and I see these guys do so poorly with women when they are decent to good in most every other category. The across the broad defiect is that they all have no game and most anti-game.

    I also agree with your statement ‘high value women do not sleep with low value men no matter the time of day.’, however what I think is that competition is so rough that Game is an absolute requirement or at least don’t anti-game. Money and status mean fuck all when everybody I know has it. Girls just expect it. It’s no big deal.

    Also the whole point of Game is to make oneself high value to that woman. Calibrating the venue, and how you present yourself allows this to happen along with using Game tactics when interacting with women.

    I guess my whole point is that money and status simply aren’t enough not that they aren’t required to varying degrees. Game is the one thing I see lacking from most of the men I interact with. As I’ve said before, it’s the guys that have the decent looks, decent job, decent social class, that have an explosion of success when they learn about and apply game. However, these men are also some of the most resistant to it because they are the ones that are targeted to feminist indoctrination since birth due to being part of the middle plus social class.

  32. Anyone who says wealth/status/power aren’t important never had any.

    If you ever get to experience it for yourself you will understand.

  33. I think LuckyWhiteMale has the right idea about the “aloof” guy and the power/status guy being the same guy. Someone on another blog was explaining it like this: There’s a chicken and the egg thing going on with regard to game. Guys weren’t “aloof” and then women became attracted to them. Women were attracted to them and that’s why they’re aloof, due to options. Assholish behavior is the default behavior of men. This changes in life only as we begin to organize ourselves, whether conciously or not, into a hierarchy. Guys at the top can continue this behaviour because they’re attractive otherwise, so women tolerate it and still reward them through sex. The rest of men cannot.

  34. @nek

    That is such bullshit.

    Women respond to aloof because of:

    1) You are not responding to her beauty which signifies that you are a man with options because so many desperate losers get flustered and try to win her over with beta game. It’s pre-selection 101. You are displaying you don’t need her because you have your sexual needs taken care of.

    2) “Assholish behavior is the default behavior of men” – with other GUYS unless they weak and subservient or brought up to be a ‘nice guy’. With women that are attractive most guys I know revert to being nice to her and trying to win her over with kindness.

    Put it this way, neediness and desperation are the number one panty dryer. This is often shown through the act of ‘being nice’. That’s why nice beta game simply doesn’t work for most guys because people can see through the bullshit facade and know it’s because of your weakness. If you are geniuely a ‘nice’ guy you can hook up if you have the irrational self confidence that shines through to show real value. If the person’s disposition is being a cool nice guy and has a high self worth and isn’t a door mat, being a nice guy can work because it comes from a much different place than being fake nice to win a girl.

    It’s just for simplicity’s sake, guys that need help with women need to up the asshole as far as it can go because that has the better odds for success.

    Also the true ‘nice guy that is confident’ is the advice given by the mainstream because that’s truely is what they want, a super man with the perfect mix of alpha and beta but this guy is really rare so it’s not a doable strategy for most men. It’s like telling a guy that wants to be a musician that all you have to do is have the chops of Steve Vai and the song making ability of say Thom Yorke. It’s fucking shitty advice for most guys.

  35. Its easier to cheat with a smartphone because of the internet (facebook App) access, you don’t even need to worry about having someone’s number, recieving calls/texts out of the blue (especially when the significant other’s is there or if her man manages to grab and peek into her smartphone while she is away from it) and thus the worry about leaving a trail decreases. In the past a cuckhold husband could at least look into her phone bills for incoming/outgoing calls, check his wife texts on the phone or become suspecious when she recieves unsual calls late at night but now if she wants too hide something she can.

    If you want to be a step ahead of your dumb SWPL iPhone-toting girlfriend, install http://ikeymonitor.com/ on it.

    When my girlfriend started acting strangely after a trip out of town, I suspected she was cheating. So, I got hold of this app and installed it on her iPhone. A bunch of giggly SMS messages and facebook messages between my girl and her best friend proved my suspicious.

    I dumped her, and when she asked how I found out, I told her that the best friend had told me about it. I heard later that those two had a huge argument when my gf accused her friend of telling me. I had a huge laugh over that.

    I didn’t really come out ahead: I got cheated on after all. But I figured it out quickly and cut my losses quick. It was the best $99 I ever spent.

    It’s true that you can’t screen telephone bills anymore. Who cares, it’s a new era that requires new tools.

  36. @ Lucky White Male and FuriousFerret

    There is no rule as to what women want because they are all different. Any rule you come up with only limits you.

    Women want the perceived next step from where they are.

    Because perceptions are different for each, the next step is different for each.

    A rich/or poor woman who feels poor will seek richer man.
    A rich/or poor woman who feels rich will not be seeking richer man.

    Most women can tell if you are a natural or faking it. Just like most men can tell what a woman actually looks like underneth her clothes and makeup.

    Rich men don’t need to learn to be confident. They have so many women chasing them, their confidence goes through the roof wheather they like it or not.

    ps: The one about cock size is a lie. Women don’t really care as long as the penis can stimulate their clit and the opening. (But some do act like it matters in order to control men because men care so much about it)

  37. @ greenlander

    Good for you. You did come out ahead, you just don’t realize it. Imagine if you had caught an std, made her pregnant or fell in love.

    I always have a keylogger running when I think a girl might want to use my computer for email/facebook so I don’t get any surprises.

    Plus passwords are great for future entertainment.

    (good to know my ex is actively looking to upgrade her current bf)

  38. I love PostSecret. My fave was the woman who felt guilty for making her husband break up with his mistresses.

    Plural. *amused*

  39. I want to go on record as saying what Lucky White Male said is not necessarily true.

    From experience, I’ve learned that women will definitely pay attention when you have a position of power and money. They just won’t necessarily sleep with you. Anyone can take a woman on an expensive vacation or buy her things. Closing the deal is a different matter. Money and power these days signify something different than they once did — my guess is that they now set off the “competitive” trigger in workplace-oriented women instead of the romantic trigger. Maybe Roll can expand on why this is. All’s I know is some of us had better luck as penniless 21-year-olds.

  40. lol PUAs had our own “Post Secret” in the form of sharing Field Reports with eachother. Most of us, especially when we started out, would do a debrief with the girl after banging and ask her stuff like “When did you first decide you wanted to fuck me?” and ask about their previous sexual partners etc. and we’d post that stuff in our Field Reports. So when you have a thousand FRs where the girls are all like “I knew when you did (consistent action through all the FRs)” you can go “okay, so that’s something women respond to.” We saw, were exposed to, and more importantly shared with other men, the dark side of women that the normal average guy has no idea exists or that girls think “none of MY friends are like that”. It would blow their mind the same way Post Secret blows normal guys’ minds.

    That’s why this paragraph by Leap of a Beta is important:

    “and a reminder that the people submitting these secrets are not a minority, not special, nor bad. Just normal people. They’re the girl you’re going to approach at the bar tonight, the woman you want to marry, the daughter you raised, your cousin, your mom, the girl that LJBF’d you, your father, your brother, your friend. You have to accept that people are like this, and plan for it, and find ways to motivate them to treat you properly instead of the way they treat these people in their secrets.”

    And why the Madonna/Whore complex guys are retarded. They’re the same guys who read Post Secrets and go “well okay, that’s fucked up, but that’s OTHER people, none of MY friends or girls I date would EVER do anything like THAT.” as if there’s some magical fairy dust sprinkled on certain people and not others and we aren’t all the same, normal people trying to get by who are all capable of doing some fucked up shit not because we’re bad people but because we’re human.

    And once you accept that the people you put up on a pedestal are not the beautiful and unique snowflakes you’ve forced them to pretend to be, and instead they’re human just like the rest of us, you come to the fork in the road of Acceptance VS Depression:

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/comment-of-the-week-sexual-self-control-is-a-male-thing/#comment-367897

    @Lucky White Male

    You’re confusing money, looks and power with status. They aren’t the same thing. You can be the aloof skittles guy and be low value (a lazy x-box playing bum), or you can be the aloof skittles guy and be high value (the life of the party socialite that everyone admires and respects as a fun cool guy). You can be a rich good-looking guy with low value (iBanker beta crowd), or you can be a rich good-looking guy with high value (rockstars).

    If you’d like proof of this, try going out regularly for a few years. Make friends with the iBanker crowd and make friends with the sketchy Skittles crowd. Make friends with a bunch of ugly short guys, and make friends with a bunch of good looking male model type body-builders. Spend a lot of time hanging out with them around women and watching them interact, and try to take girls from them. In other words, go out instead of mentally masturbating ways to excuse the righteous injustice you think is going on that isn’t actually going on.

    For faster proof, go to a high-end nightclub and look for Death Row. It’s the line-up along the bar of rich good-looking beta CEOs and shit terrified to talk to girls lol

    You can be alpha and badass and have money, looks, and power, and that’s awesome. But it’s not necessary. Otherwise the cheerleaders at school would be banging the high school quarterback jock’s richer, better looking, more powerful dad instead of him…but at school and in that cheerleader’s world the jock has higher relative value than “someone’s DAD ewww”, so she fucks him. Meanwhile if that kid went to a cougar bar, he’d have no value to those chicks looking to land a husband, and goes home solo.

    It all comes down to your value, not your external possessions. But you won’t believe that, obviously lol

    This is the shit that tells me you’re mentally masturbating and don’t actually go out and don’t have a social life beyond a few close buddies that probably play xbox with you on nights where other people are out socializing:

    “Most likely these MPS guys have not only heard of Game – but are so ambitious generally they have eagerly gobbled up and implemented Game.”

    Wow, they’re fucking superman. God, I know how difficult it is to get laid, I mean you go to a high-end bar and all those guys are badass rockstars shooting lightning bolts out their ass OMG!!!111

    Your problem is that you believe that having money, power, and status instantly gives you alpha traits, so you think all these CEOs and celebrities and shit are running around being alpha badasses getting pussy. The reality is that a lot of them are lame as fuck because they thought the same thing you did (“soon as I get money, I’ll get girls!!”) and didn’t bother to learn game. Meanwhile my buddy who hasn’t had a job in 3 years and lives in a shit-hole apartment is taking home the hottie staff chicks who carry sparkling VIP bottles of Grey Goose out to your sausage-fest of beta CEOs who think wearing a suit will get them laid.

    It’s possible to be a badass alpha guy with money, power, and status, but it’s REAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY fucking rare in the real world as opposed to your imagination. That’s why we laugh at it, it’s such a statistical anomally that it’s not even worth thinking about. It’s like saying “oh well a unicorn with a machine gun and ninja-swords will totally destroy a lion”…that’s not something I disagree with, but if you think there are a bunch of armed-up unicorns running around you need to get out of the basement more.

    Gather a group of random rich CEOs from the biggest companies in the world at a bar and put them beside a table full of loud out-going social college jocks who live at home with their parents, fill the bar with college chicks, and see how your money power status guys do lol 🙂

  41. @Martel

    “We used to assume that having something going for you was what turned women on, but not necessarily. We’ve since discovered that you can be that badass without having to actually be good at much of anything else.”

    lol this. I’ve said it since I started posting on the Manosphere, it’s not the money itself that turns women on or half the computer nerds I know who stockpile their savings because they have no social life would be getting laid like crazy, and women would be visiting the bank just to rub their cooters on piles of money.

    “if you have great status or something similar, you are very likely to get cuckolded by the guy who cleans your pool for you if he has game and you don’t.”

    Yup. I know this because my buddies and I have been those guys cuckolding richer, better-looking, more powerful men than ourselves.

    @FuriousFerret

    “Money and status mean fuck all when everybody I know has it. Girls just expect it. It’s no big deal.”

    This is the other thing guys who haven’t been around extremely high-value girls don’t get. The smokin hottie model chick is SURROUNDED by guys with money, 6-pack abs, status, etc. so they have like the owner of the biggest nightclub in town offering to fly them to his mansion in the Bahamas and buy her a bunch of new outfits (and he just HOPES he’ll get to bang her lol). Like, their entire social circle is all rich good-looking male model types running the money power status rat-race. She is SURROUNDED by guys who ALL have that stuff, all the time.

    So like FuriousFerret says, it loses its value when everybody has it. So then my asshole buddy comes along, with no job or anything, but two beer-tub girls are hanging off him and he tells the smokin hottie model chick she’s not his type and she goes “:O :O WTF who the fuck is THAT??” and chases him around all night while the rich guys in her social circle are fighting over who’s BMW she’s going home in until they realize she’s not there anymore, because she went home with my buddy, to his shitty apartment that she thinks is “cute” because she’s attracted to him and backwards rationalizes his shitty qualities in a positive light so she won’t regret fucking him.

    “Game is the one thing I see lacking from most of the men I interact with.”

    Stuff like that is how I know FuriousFerret goes out. Because the shit I write about isn’t theory, or ideas, or logic…it’s experience-based conclusions, from the combined experience of tens of thousands of men going out and gaining experience. People give me shit like “oh if someone disagrees with you, you call them a keyboard jockey” and yes, I do, because the guys who go out regularly read my shit and go “ya that aligns with my own experiences”.

    If I was finding out in the field that I couldn’t get pussy without owning an Armani suit and a nice condo, I would be hustling my ass to earn money to buy them.

    @Good Luck Chuck

    “Anyone who says wealth/status/power aren’t important never had any. If you ever get to experience it for yourself you will understand.”

    Anyone who says wealth/status/power trump game hasn’t had a guy with actual solid game go after his girls. If you ever get to experience my jobless Natural buddy who banged over 100 new chicks last year hitting on your girl in front of you, you will understand.”

    @Days of Broken Arrows

    “I’ve learned that women will definitely pay attention when you have a position of power and money. They just won’t necessarily sleep with you. Anyone can take a woman on an expensive vacation or buy her things. Closing the deal is a different matter.”

    This. And most guys who are in a position of power and money spent all their time earning that power and money instead of learning how to seduce a girl who comes over to say “I like your BMW.”

    The guys who don’t pick up regularly are the guys who think that a girl looking at you, being interested in you, or even coming over and flirting with you, means that you’re going to bang her. They have no idea what ASD/LMR is, what anti-game is, how logistics can fuck up even a sure thing, how badly most guys drop the ball with seduction, how many guys talk themselves out of blatant signs of interest the girl is giving, how deep feminist social conditioning to be a gentleman is, etc.

    They live in a cartoon imagination land where the girl goes “Hi, I like your car” and the guy just smoothly goes “So let’s go for a ride” and they drive to his mansion and she jumps on his dick, like there aren’t 100000 points in a pickup where something can go wrong and the guy can drop the ball and fuck it up regardless of how into you she was when she first saw you lol

  42. To everyone who’s incensed here:

    For goodness sakes, WHY?

    Women have gotten pissed at us for years for being so “shallow” as to never look past a woman’s looks. This is their version of the same thing. So fuck it, get your sex, and whatever else you get is gravy. If you really can’t get love anymore…well, that is a shame, but that’s that.

    Will this mean the end of civilization, as Roissy so often likes to posit? Well, this and other things, yes, probably, but we’re not going to solve that, and another civilization, of sorts at least, will rise to take our place, and that’ll likely not happen til we’re gone.

    George Carlin’s point of view was more or less as follows: taken one at a time, people are lovely. But when part of one group or another, people are monsters. This is a group mentality, and these women are monstrous, not just in this regard, but in regard to the past fifty years of the feminization of the West in general. So fuck it, sit back, enjoy the individual people in your life, and do something else that Roissy says: divest your life of matters political and social, get sex when you can, and fuck the rest of it. This country gave up on election day this past November, and we’re behind the curve as opposed to the rest of the West in this. Don’t worry about these souless harpies on Postsecret. Just fuck ’em. Literally.

  43. “To everyone who’s incensed here:
    For goodness sakes, WHY?”

    Because men’s lives are ruined and our social system facilitates it.

    Men liking women for looks is nowhere near damaging as women lying to/cuckolding/raping perfectly good men for their resources.

  44. @LuckyWhiteMale

    One of the most common cuckolding motifs is of the bored trophy wive fucking the pool boy while her rich/powerful husband is at work.

    Alpha fucks beta bucks.

  45. “Women will always do what they believe will benefit them, no matter what the cost to the men in their lifes.”
    Currently, yes. But not historically. It is feminism with its you go girl! being drilled into their head that is so socially destructive. The next phase of game has got to be how to restructure society to make it function again. Personally, I think we’ll end up back with something like the 19th or 18th century morals. Morals are ways people prevent social problems: the human wreckage that is the result of hypergamy is a huge problem that needs a solution if civilization is to endure, it is probably the problem that caused civilization to exist in the first place.

  46. Rollo. i unplugged 4 or 5 months ago. i’ve read each post since. this is the first time a post has ruined my day.

  47. Love Postsecret. Check it every Sunday night when it updates.

    I don’t get why so many guys here are upset by what the girls reveal. But then I never put girls on a pedestal. I always knew they’re as capable of scummy behavior as any male.

    To me, Postsecret is full of regret, fear, cowardice. Women who can’t/won’t screw up their courage to go after what they want. So many wasted lives full of lies. Which makes them tragic.

  48. I work in a female dominated field, nursing, and hear a lot of similar stories like the postcards on PostSecret.com. I’ve never heard any of my colleagues admit to cheating on their husbands but one in particular complains about how bad their sex life is on a nearly weekly basis (they’re newly married of just a few years in their 20s). I just listen because I’m sure any comments on my part would be misconstrued as sexual harassment. One of my close friends admitted to me that she hates being married with two kids. After some questioning, she has admitted to pining for an ex alpha boyfriend from nearly a decade ago (and telling me what a jerk he was by cheating on her). I just listen and observe. I have also noticed that a multitude of them have ballooned up in the last five years and they think it’s not a big deal because their “husbands still love them”. Pretty sickening stuff. Nothing really surprises me any more.

  49. http://postsecretarchive.com/2012/08/i-have-one-night-stands-because-it-makes-me-feel-loved/

    Comment:Tom McG # 08.30.2012 13:35

    You are NOT a “whore.” You want to be loved. “Whores” are angry. Try to open yourself up to those around you; your friends. Let THEM love you. If you let them love you then you will learn to love yourself and learn how to accept the love you are SO VERY deserving of. There may be someone who loves you right now but you can’t see it because you think you aren’t worthy. You ARE!!! Look how courageous you are to admit to us, and more important, to yourself that you are “one night standing” so you can feel loved. You KNOW inside it is NOT love!! You are on your way!! You CAN do it!!
    A prostitute once told me (ed: heh) that she was so proud of her boyfriend because he never cheated on her. She didn’t cheat on him either because she would close her eyes and go away while she was “working.” The body was doing the work things, doing them well, but her heart and soul she kept for him…because he loved her and she loved him. She isn’t a whore and if she wasn’t a whore, then neither are you. I promise if you work on being good to yourself, love will come. (ed haaaaaa)

    i rest my case there is just no unplugging for some

  50. a girl i used to bang in college tells me constantly that if i still lived in america that she would already have cheated on her husband with me. awesome and depressing at the same time, because as she puts it “he’s a good husband and father”.

  51. I think one of the more uncomfortable revelations of the digital age has been the confirmation of what most betas suspect is true about women, but have been too conditioned to allow themselves to believe it.

    I was going to say Postsecret is mild in its revelatory influence next to say the proliferation of millions of voluntary self-shooter girls and the gallery sites, but I changed my mind. When you look at a post-pubescent girl flashing her tits or more in the bathroom mirror a beta can dismiss it by thinking it’s just a youthful indiscretion, but Postsecret is actual, introspective confirmation of red pill truths written by women (and men) themselves.

    Keep the mechanics in mind when revelations like this seem depressing to you. Use that confirmation of principle to your advantage.

  52. It feels like this post made the red pill sink in a little deeper or something. There’s nothing concrete that’s new here, but it feels more raw.

    Anyhow, part of what’s bugging me is how obvious some of this crap should have been, I’m not just talking about things like the frat experience in the first post on my blog.

    I’m a big fan of literature, and this stuff was known to the great writers of the past. But in the Matrix, we’ve discounted the genuine wisdom as simply outmoded custom. I bet almost every time “The Taming of the Shrew” is taught in high school or college, either Shakespeare didn’t really mean that, he was making fun of Petruccio, or he was just a product of his time. There’s a vignette in Don Quixote about a guy who has his friend seduce his fiancee just to make sure she’s as pure as he thinks she is. Guess how that turns out.

    Wuthering Heights (there’s a reason chicks love that book, and it’s not because it’s about flowers–it’s dark as hell). Vanity Fair. Great Expectations. The Red and the Black. Madame Bovary. The House of Mirth. Anna Karenina. Notre Dame de Paris. The list never stops.

    All just reflections of the outdated misogyny of the times in which they were written, or windows into the deeper Truth of Woman?

    If was right in front of my fucking nose and I missed it.

  53. “It feels like this post made the red pill sink in a little deeper or something. There’s nothing concrete that’s new here, but it feels more raw.”

    We are just seeing how far the rabbit hole goes. And it was also in front of my face too and I didn’t see it. Nothing like that gets by me anymore.

  54. Post Secret is the convergence point for the two defining drivers of the female experience, narcissism and masochism.

    All of the attention, none of the social shaming while retaining rationalized self-flagellation concerning hind brain decisions “for the betterment of our species”.

  55. @Martel RE:”It was right in front of my fucking nose and I missed it.”

    No doubt, as I have become atune to it through this blogs help, I have noticed my past GF’s were ones that chose me, meaning I really needed no Game. This is how I believed the Beta me was I was doing well with women. The reality though is that I had things women of lower status wanted, hypergamy at work. As I have found through my ONEitis, I have been trying to bend the spoon for the poon I wanted. Only now have I realized I am the one that needs change to thrive.

    “Don’t try to bend the poon, thats impossible…..instead only realize the truth” – from the Matrix….

    Thanks again guys….

  56. I want to point out something semi-related. Actress Anne Hathaway was recently photographed without underwear. Matt Lauer made a snarky comment asking her about it while interviewing her.

    The interview was linked to the Fox News Facebook page and the consensus was that Lauer was “rude.” Think about that: Hathaway is a serial exhibitionist (there are countless pics of her many see-through tops) who has done nude scenes. Yet asking her about this was rude?!

    This was Fox News. That means we’re at a point in our society where EVEN THE RIGHT WING men and women of Fox are so unconsciously influenced by feminist memes they refuse to judge a woman’s behavior yet criticize a man who will do so.

    This is why Post Secret is so disturbing. It’s because in the larger context of our society women are not judged, but men are judged not only for their actions but for judging women. We now live in a topsy-turvy world that has to change. IMO the Internet and blogs like this will be the undoing of this. I hope so, anyway.

  57. Just reinforces Everything.
    Last Saturday night through red lenses, let’s see:

    A)
    Flirting with a willing girl who was texting her BF at the same time, wanting him to come and get her. Seemed strained in mutual texting, at one point she referred to him as her “ex” (“As in E and X?” I asked and she nodded), then she told me to come and dance. In the end, a “happy end” and he was coming to get her, we parted. The C-block girlfriend would have seen to it anyway, but still, slipping with one’s txt game can be dangerous for a guy on a GNO.
    (Red Pill devil made me do it: I teased her twice to text him that she was talking now with this handsome man. Didn’t comply.)

    B)
    The GF of a girl (AFAIU, a single mom, not that I’m supremely worked-up about that myself) I matter-of-factly talked with after the last call about her kanji text tattoo along the whole of her back (“the name of a japanese poem”). The GF complained that there were two guys interested in her and that both were assholes; she seemed distressed about their character but undoubtedly got lotsa cocka from one of them later, willingly.
    (Red Pill devil made me do it: I teased her that surely it was good that they were assholes. “No it’s not!”)

    C)
    In the bus a girl opposite, next to her BF, seemed to get strangely distant and pissed off as I (unwittingly) increasingly directed most of my banter and laughing towards her BF and the pretty girl next to me. Only later did it occur to me that perhaps it was the unintentional ignoring and direction of (somewhat dominant) social energy towards the other girl that made her sulky, even though her BF was next to her. Scary.
    (Red Pill devil made me do it: as we left the bus, I noticed that the pretty one next to me was in fact rather stocky, which made me dispense with gaming her further, a mindset I’m not too proud of tho’.)

    ——
    P.S. Reading at last Neil Strauss’s The Game. Wonderful insights into the beginnings of the (modern) Dark Arts and the many movements whence today’s total game picked up (pun intended) its principles as well as Style’s self-development as a PUA. Didn’t know that “sarging” came from the name of one of Jeffries’s cats…

  58. If I didnt believe in the feminine imperative before, the latest Aunt Giggles post (with another banned reply) put it to rest.

    Apparently a man is the scum of the earth for simply noticing his girlfriend’s hot sister, parsed with this post about real female behaviour and it goes to show women expect absolute moral behaviour from men while they get a free pass.

  59. This stuff is priceless and not just the postsecrets but the comments as well;

    “I’ve slept with seven guys. None of them has cared about me….

    Vanessa #
    12.15.2012 22:516

    I have 27 under my belt. I believe 26 never cared about me. Including the one I lost it to at 14. I am 21 years old and finally found a man who cares about me more than I ever thought possible. Don’t give up hope.. Theres one who will care.”

    I seriously doubt the beta in question, lucky guy #27 actually knows about the other 26.

    Sadly, none of the stuff from women on Postsecrets is surprising or shocking, just confirming.

  60. “Doubtless in 15 years she’ll be married and have kids.”

    Nah, by then she’ll already be divorced and receiving alimony and child support.

  61. Thanks for the above link to that feminist blog. Needless to say, you can’t leave a comment. Feminist blogs are closed doors or echo chambers.

    However, the comment I would have left would have been: when women aren’t conventionally attractive, they come up with gimmicks to market themselves in an alternative way. This is one.

  62. Having a friend who bangs supermodels in his mom’s basement doesn’t prove your point. Neither does the six figure banker who hasn’t had sex in three years.

    Game and wealth/status/power are not mutually exclusive. Game is nothing more than imitating the behaviors of high value men. If you can successfully learn game, you can get laid. If you manage to BECOME the high value man, you can have a pussy fountain at your disposal.

    If you ever have the opportunity to walk in those shoes, you will understand.

  63. “If you manage to BECOME the high value man, you can have a pussy fountain at your disposal.”

    No shit, no one disagrees with that. Let us know when your next rock concert with 100,000 fans cheering for you is. Or when you start your own porn magazine and have a mansion with naked chicks frolicking together in a grotto. Or when the next James Cameron movie you’re starring in comes out.

    While I wait for you to achieve that (ideally before you’re 30 so you can enjoy it, hope you don’t get hit by a bus the day after you finally amassed all this stuff), I’ll be over here flirting with girls in the here and now not being concerned about running into a James Bond Superman anomally and losing a whole one girl to his unstoppable manliness.. Good luck!

  64. @Chuch

    Just no.

    You have to think in terms of subconscious behavior. You are too damn analytical. If you are dweeb that has somehow fallen into wealth/status/power, once the woman sees the true you and decides to date/marry you, you are simply a ‘beta bucks’ man.

    The primal attitude and the physical looks is what gets a woman to WANT you. Want you, not the resources, you. This is because for most of human history being a man of ‘champion/alpha mentality’ and the good health physical ques signified that this man was going to be the leader of the tribe hence the resources that came with it. Game mimics the behaviors of such individuals on the monkey brain level.

    Do you really think that a woman really wants to sleep with the Bill Gates clone? Nah she wants the Colin Farrell clone, the don’t give a fuck bad boy with physical good looks.

    Can you just do this for me please? Go to a happening bar and/or nightclub and just observer. You don’t have to approach, just observe. Look for the hot chicks and see who they are with and then study their interactions and how the guy handles himself. You will begin to notice the guy is simply ‘cool’ most of the times, he has this aura of confidence combined with don’t give a fuck mentality. He’s ‘cool’. When he tells jokes it’s with a certain flavor and style. Bascially he commands respect. Now not all are like that but it is a general theme.

    Now look at the SWPL corporate guys, all laughing too loud, yelling jokes, making feeble approaches if at all. Their girlfriends are plain janes or they are alone.

    Go to the club and look for the behaviors of the alpha and ignore the money aspect and you will see a pattern of behavior of the men irregardless of money.

  65. Ferrett & YaReally: I genuinely respect both of you (YaReally, your analysis of that guy’s texting situation a while back at Heartiste was beyond genuis). However, Chuck is a LOST CAUSE. I don’t think either of you could have made your points more clearly or logically. Everybody reading this with a brain cell and a half is in agreement with you. Chuck’s responses are inane and repetitive. He insists that you’re saying that game completely and entirely supplants tangible forms of success, and you’re not. He thinks that financial success inherently means that somebody has game, and it doesn’t (although it doesn’t mean they don’t). Yes, being good at something matters. No, it’s not everything. I’m sure that even Rick Astley got lots of pussy for a while, but nobody wants to be like him.

    There are trolls who are fun to feed (where’s Ashley been?), and there are trolls with whom one can actually engage in a mutually beneficial debate. Chuck is neither of these.

    In the meantime, I tip my claw to the both of you for your noble attempt to teach a cat to read.

  66. I want YaReally’s opinion on dry spell’s. I seem to get down when I’m not having many, or (for me, mainly) exclusively one deluded thought of being with a chick – I truly have a hard time balancing multiple women, it’s draining to me.

    Circumstantial, I know. But it’s shitty after experiencing the majestic set’s and setting of truly gaming women. And I haven’t read much, maybe I should read some real PUA stuff?

    Involving lack of resources. Or entire changes of character.

    Don’t know what else to explain. Or, here’s two examples: two girls offered for me to stay with them for the holidays. I was fucking one for a long time, the other is a little more complicated but involves a similar prescience.

    One I know for sure we’ll be hooking up and it will be a good time. The other I know for sure we’ll be hooking up but I’ll have to deal with the boyfriend.

    Either way, I’ll have to travel from this empty location. Is it worth it? Meaning, is it better for one to not even show interest at that high of a level without commitment on either sides, regardless of funds or availability? Cause I’m in a dry spell, here.

  67. If you had ever been in a position to see it for yourself you would know that you don’t have to have 100,000 fans cheering for you and you don’t have to be Hugh Hefner to have a fountain of pussy. All you have to have is social status that stems from something that perpetuates itself (something that doesn’t require you to embellish your average life), and enough money to create a logistical advantage.

    The six figure schlubs you guys like to refer to have money but they don’t have status. Money can improve your status but unless you make a shit-ton of it it isn’t going to do much in and of itself.

    Say it with me- social status is KING. And you don’t even need money to have status.The money just gives you a tactical advantage.

    I don’t expect very many people to understand the message I am trying to get across, but for the sake of understanding the mechanics of attraction I suggest you guys take the blinders off for a few minutes and actually soak in a new perspective. And that’s what it is….perspective. If you ever get the opportunity to witness it firsthand you will get it, I promise you.

    There are trolls who are fun to feed (where’s Ashley been?), and there are trolls with whom one can actually engage in a mutually beneficial debate. Chuck is neither of these.

    Sounds a lot like what a woman might say about PUA wisdom. Hmmm….

  68. @Good Luck Chuck

    The problem is that your status has to be above and beyond the norm.

    So in the DMV (DC-Maryland-Virginia), almost everybody I know has a good job and money. In Adams Morgan or U-Street, no girl gives a fuck about your great job and the six figure salary you make. The same girls that go to U-Street are the same women walking around NOVA or DC.

    Social status and pre-selection are king but the problem is how do you get that rarified air of having that status. As YaReally has pointed out you have to be a really important person who has a reputation in that social setting. How many guys have this? It has to be so miniscule that to bank on that getting you hot women is a just a fools errand.

    I can think of things that give you status in different social circles:

    * Being in a popular rock band even at the regional/local level

    * Owning a company that actually has visibility/value to young women such as a bar or club.

    * Running a popular publication/writer/blog that people know who you are

    This is what is called Fame, even at the local level.

    So your mind blowing revelation is that you should be famous and then you can hook up?

    What’s your next post going to be how if you look like Brad Pitt women will want to suck your dick?

  69. This may come as a shock for most, but I know Chuck IRL and I can unequivocally say that he isn’t the troll you think he is.

    I understand his perspective, and trust me it’s nowhere near as absolute as people want to make it out to be. I’ve been at liquor promo events for my brands with Chuck in the past and when I’m in my professional element I can understand exactly where he’s coming from.

    Having social recognition for something that even marginally implies affluence is a form of DHV in that it subconsciously conotes status and preselection. Whether you fuck that up or not with your lack of social intelligence (Game) and/or lack of physical attractiveness is another issue entirely.

    I’m an attractive guy, I have my shit together, I make a living from my talents and I have a reasonable amount of influence in my particular professional arena, but that only counts with a woman when it’s recognizable to her. If I walk into a Panera Bread I’m surrounded by semi-attractive SWPL MILFs and divorcés who could give two shits about who I am or how I present myself, but if I walk into a Martini lounge or I’m at an event in South Beach and people know my name and the environment is such that my presentation DHV, I have to be mindful not to unintentionally Game the women I encounter there.

    Now those are just two extreme ends of my own experience, but you get the picture. It’s like I stated in Looks Count:

    Game

    Looks

    Affluence

    Have two, three is best, but if you only have one Game is the most important.

  70. What I see here is pretty common now that I’ve taken the red pill.

    Women abhor judgment and violence against themselves but celebrate judgment and violence directed toward someone that they judge should suffer violence.

    Women esteem the ability to have a child as equivalent to God having the ability to create an entire universe and view the pain of childbirth as equivalent to the sufferings of Christ.

    Women believe men are cheating on them if men so much as look at an image of a woman in a bikini and yet women want to be the woman in the bikini that can make a man cheat.

    Women think it fair for their ex-husbands to pay 50% of their income in child support, but think it unfair that their new husband has to pay 50% of his income in child support to his ex.

  71. @Martel
    “However, Chuck is a LOST CAUSE.”

    I don’t actually expect to convince him specifically of anything. I post the argument up mainly for the lurkers reading this who read his shit and go “ahh yes, this one post confirms my wrong world-view so I’ll ignore all the other evidence that doesn’t confirm it and stick to playing the victim card!”

    @Good Luck Chuck
    “All you have to have is social status that stems from something that perpetuates itself (something that doesn’t require you to embellish your average life)”

    I think the disconnect is that you think we’re out there lying about our accomplishments and shit, aka embellishing our average life. Women know I have a perfectly average life (in fact I purposely try to show them that I’m not Provider material because it helps keep casual Fuckbuddy relationships casual lol). And they still want to fuck.

    The only advantage I have over other people at the bar, including the manager of it, is that I’m more charismatic and confident with women than they are. That’s it.

    Because what happens is those guys go “oh, this guy is cool and fun, I want to be his friend” and now the girls around him look at him qualifying himself to me and say “well if this super alpha badass rich manager of the bar is buying this guy shots and trying to get his approval and seems to have a little man-crush on him, then he must be even BETTER, and my Hypergamy requires that I go for him.” Meanwhile, objectively, I don’t have anything on the manager. He can be richer, better looking, more powerful, etc. than me if you do a pros/cons checklist of the two of us.

    BUT…in that situation, I’ve used game concepts in my interactions with him to become higher status than him. Despite all his advantages, my relative value to him is higher.

    You might say “But YaReally, why would a badass alpha rich good-looking manager of a nightclub give you any kind of power at all and qualify himself to you at all?” Well, he might not, if I just go up and say “Hi, I’m YaReally. CASH ME, MOTHAFUCKA’!!”

    So that’s where game comes in. Say I game a few girls elsewhere and bring them to his club. I have them do themselves up to get attention and walk in with them on my arms. I invite a handful of cool people from my social circle out to party with me and we cause a scene in the club, with everyone around us having a good time. Then when I’m talking to the manager, I create comfort/rapport with him because that’s a skill I’ve honed doing cold approach, and I connect with him on a deep level where he feels like he’s known me for years and I really “get” him. I make sure to lead the conversation in a way where I create an opportunity/need for him to qualify himself to me and I reward him for it when he does it, which makes him like me and seek my approval in general even more.

    The next time I show up there, he goes out of his way to come over to greet me and we shoot the shit, etc. and all the girls who know he’s the manager see me and think “Who’s THIS guy?”, and on top of it he introduces me to his girls because he thinks I’m a cool guy and wants to introduce them to cool people to network. I’m shooting high-value out my ass like thunder and simply isolate the girl and run my game.

    I’m basically piggy-backing on that guy’s amazing badass alpha success, using game principles. Let him do all the work, and then swoop in and benefit off it. He likes me and I purposely don’t fuck his social circles up or take girls that I know he likes, and I introduce him to girls that I think he’d like, so it’s all win/win for both of us.

    But I can do all this without buying a single drink, without having a car, without having a job, without being in shape, etc. I don’t have to talk to every girl in the room and demonstrate to her that I have higher value than you…that’s a lot of work. All I have to do is talk to YOU, and use Game to make you feel like I have higher value than you. The rest falls into place from there.

    I think most guys in the Manosphere have never really SEEN “Game”. Like, real Game. It feels like you guys picture some dude who’s still going in and being all “Hey baby, what’s your sign?” but they’re just really GOOD at going in and being all “Hey baby, what’s your sign?” The real scope of Game, when you fully understand how group dynamics and social psychology and shit work, is fucking mind-blowing.

    This is part of why I’m sad that Mystery Method is looked at as so old and useless to people learning game now. I know MM is big and cumbersome and it takes a long time (years) to really let it all sink in and get enough experience with it to properly wield it…but it is powerful as FUCK. A lot of pickup now is focused more on one-on-one, but Mystery understood how to take over a room and it wasn’t just because of his fuzzy hat.

    @Rollo
    “This may come as a shock for most, but I know Chuck IRL and I can unequivocally say that he isn’t the troll you think he is.”

    lol’ed at this.

    “Having social recognition for something that even marginally implies affluence is a form of DHV in that it subconsciously conotes status and preselection.”

    Agreed. The nuance I’m trying to get across is that there’s a slow way to achieve that (actually gaining that social recognition for yourself by clawing your way up the chain tooth and nail) and there’s an efficient way to achieve that (figure out who’s the highest up the chain and get them to make you look slightly higher). It’s like joining a friend at the front of the line in a theatre. Sure, you could wait in line like everyone else, and there’s a sense of satisfaction from that suffering and everything especially if your goal is to “survive standing in a long line”. But if your goal is simply to watch the actual movie, Game offers a faster method of achieving that than waiting in line.

    “Whether you fuck that up or not with your lack of social intelligence (Game) and/or lack of physical attractiveness is another issue entirely.”

    lol also agreed.

    “but if I walk into a Martini lounge or I’m at an event in South Beach and people know my name and the environment is such that my presentation DHV, I have to be mindful not to unintentionally Game the women I encounter there.”

    Absolutely. But then if I walk in there and do a specific set of things to raise my value in your eyes (aka use group theory Game principles to raise my status), and create a situation where girls looking at us can tell that you subconsciously consider me higher value than you (not through direct competition with you, more like say your favorite Author nobody has ever heard of walks in and you’re gushing over him super excited to talk to him…or say your good friend who you respect and admire walks in and you go out of your way to go over and talk to him, etc.)…I will have as much or more value than you to any women we come across.

    And in the moment you will fall for this, even if you don’t think you will, the same way girls fall for Game, even though they don’t think they will. What we do is based on working human psychology.

    Tyler tells a story of how this works at 26:00 into this video (“Then he buys me a drink, he thinks he’s looking cool getting me a drink–haha I feel so mean, that’s really mean what I’m saying haha” lol):

    I hope that makes sense. Legit old-school PUA game (especially Mystery Method, group theory stuff) was about more than just cold approaching girls from the shadows in the corner of a bar.

    For anyone interested in getting into what I’m describing here, I highly recommend checking out the old-school Mystery Method videos. It’s a lot of information and can take a long time to really learn to wield in real-time in-field, and some of the routines are a little dated/over-used now, but you can make your own new routines based off the formulas behind those old ones…but the main thing is that the way he describes how to work groups is super solid and in-depth.

  72. P.S. Wording it as “And you will fall for it” (insert evil laughter with thunder and lightning) was just for dramatic effect lol The reality is most of the time it isn’t a “trick”, I’m legitimately interested in getting to know the people I talk to and the bond we form is an actual one and I really am into our conversation because I like people in general and I’m always interested in making more friends and networking and everything. Learning cold approach pickup taught me that it’s fun and interesting to meet new people in general (I was a hermit before getting into PUA).

    It’s just that I’m approaching creating a bond/relationship with you in a way that’s 1) efficient, and 2) strategically also going to help me achieve my goals.

    …unless you’re a super fucking douche of a person, and then I’m just going to take your girls lol But most of the time that isn’t the case, and you’ll still think I love you anyway. 🙂

  73. @YaReally: Are there any specific Mystery videos you recommend on learning how to work a crowd? I used to have that magic, but I didn’t know why I had it, so I lost it and want it back.

  74. @miserman

    once you fully accept that women are illogical, emotional, contradictory creatures, it makes dealing with them so much easier.

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