Reader Coy expressed a need for illumination on the myth of the Quality woman:
Rollo,
I would really appreciate your thoughts on “the quality woman”. You have touched on the phenomena in many of your previous posts but i really feel my self subconsciously slipping into that binary circle jerk of madonna/whore . A dedicated post would be nice.
I briefly touched on this in AFC Social Conventions:
The Myth of the “Quality” Woman
It seems like all I read about on SoSuave these days is a never ending quest for a “Quality Woman.” There’s threads asking for clear definitions of what constitutes a “Quality” woman and others that conveniently set women up into 2 camps – Quality women and Hors, as if there were no middle ground. How easy it becomes to qualify a woman based on her indiscrretions (as heinous as they’re perceived to be) for either of these catagories. This is binary thinking at its best – on or off, black or white, Quality woman or Hor.
I think the term ‘Quality’ woman is a misnomer. Guys tend to apply this term at their leisure not so much to define what they’d like in a woman (which is actually an idealization), but rather to exclude women with whom they’d really had no chance with in the first place as an ego-preservation method, or mistakenly applied too much effort and too much focus to only to be rebuffed. This isn’t to say that there aren’t women who will behvae maliciously or indiscriminately, nor am I implying that they ought to be excused out of hand for such. What I am saying is that it’s very AFC to hold women up to preconceived idealizations and conveniently discount them as being less than “Quality” when you’re unable to predict, much less control their behaviors.
The dangers inherent in this convention is that the AFC (or the DJ subscribing to the convention) then limits himself to only what he perceives as a Quality woman, based on a sour-grapes conditioning. Ergo, they’ll end up with a “Quality” woman by default because she’s the only candidate who would accept him for her intimacy. It becomes a self-fulfiling prophecy by process of elmination. Taken to its logical conclusion, they shoot the arrow, paint the target around it and call it a bullseye, and after which they’ll feel good for having held to a (misguided) conviction.
So why is this a social convention then? Because it is socially unassailable. Since this convention is rooted to a binary premise, no one would likely challenge it. It would be foolish for me to say “Yes Mr. DJ I think you ought to avoid what you think of as Quality women.” Not only this, but we all get a certain satisfaction from the affirmation that comes from other men confirming our own assessment of what catagory a woman should fit into. Thus it becomes socially reinforced.
Be careful of making a Quality woman your substitute for a ONEitis idealization.
Back when he had a terrestrial radio show Tom Leykis did a topic about this: He had everyday women call in and tell their stories of how they used to be sexually (i.e. slutty) and how they are now. He came up with this after driving past a grade school on his way to the studio and seeing all of the women there waiting for their kids to come out and wondered about what their lives used to be like in their childless 20s. This was a wildly popular topic and the confessions just poured in like all of these women had been waiting for years to come clean anonymously about the sexual past that their husbands would never dream they were capable of. Each of these women sounded proud of themselves, almost nostalgic, as if they were some kind of past accomplishments.
This is why I laugh at the concept of the Quality woman. Don’t misinterpret that as a “women = shit” binary opinion. I mean it in the sense that most guy’s concept of a quality woman is an unrealistic idealization. There’s not a guy in the world who committed to monogamy with a woman who didn’t think she was ‘quality’ when he was with her. Even if she was a clinical neurotic before he hooked up with her, she’s still got “other redeeming qualities” that make her worth the effort. It’s only afterwards when the world he built up around her idealization comes crashing down in flames that she “really wasn’t a Quality Woman.”
Force Fit
The Quality Woman is defined by how well she fits a man’s conditioned ideal. Good Luck Chuck lamented in last week’s Hyenas that after a certain age all women are Alpha Widows, or, progressively lose the idealization of embodying the Quality Woman. While I understand the frustration, there’s an eerily similar tone that men use when they bemoan the lack of Quality Women in the world that echoes women’s when they ask “what happened to all the real men?” The only difference being that in girl-world a woman is entitled to a real man irrespective of her own quality, while a man is less of a Man for his complaints of her lacking those qualities.
I don’t envy the situation monogamy minded men in this era find themselves in. As we become a more and more connected society the indiscretions of a woman’s past will become increasingly more difficult to hide, much less temper. Whereas before, unless a woman had worked in porn, documenting her sexual and/or intimate past may have been an effort best reserved for private investigators. Now it’s as easy as reading her social media footprint archived for all to read.
This is tough on a guy sold on idealistic notions that his virgin bride is awaiting him somewhere in the world. That may be a bit binary for all but the most white knight of guys, but by order of degree, and with a measured prudence, I think it’s important for men to disabuse themselves of finding the virgin slut, who’ll only be his virgin slut.
And while I would never advocate a guy to hurry up and marry those sluts, the problem with this idealization is that men want to force fit the woman who most closely resembles his Quality Woman into that fantasy role. It becomes a psychological feedback loop – connect with a “Quality Woman”, discover her flaws, personal conditions and the decisions she made that resulted in them, then (after attempts at rationalizing them himself) disqualify her from the Quality Woman designation. The cycle comes full circle when her disqualification as a Quality Woman sets the environment for finding his next ‘jewel in the rough’.
The bad news and the good news of this is that, as connectivity and communication among men increases, so too do they realize that the Quality Woman is an impossibility even for the most gracious of women. Thanks to the rise of the manosphere we have a global consortium of men exchanging their individual experiences with women to compare and contrast with their own. The good part is it’s easy to generate a list of red flags to watch out for or read about the consequences men have suffered as a result of their blue pill existences. The bad part is that with that greater understanding comes the realization that even the best of women are still subject to hypergamy, the feminine imperative and the fem-centric environment they find themselves in.
A little bit of knowledge is sometimes dangerous – after a lot of this realization and the discernement that comes from it men are likely to have a very long list of prerequisites and red flags develop. I’m not saying men should surrender to the inevitability of marrying some raging former slut, but I am saying that an important part of unplugging oneself from the Matrix is letting go of the idealization of the Quality Woman. There are a lot of caring and nurturing former sluts, and there are pristine and chaste women only lacking the proper motivation to move them in a direction no one would ever expect of them.
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Our women aren’t flawed. Our society is. That’s why you can’t win either way. Marry her when she’s old and used up- you got some old used up pussy that is incapable of bonding with you in a proper feminine way. Marry her when she’s young and you get a few years of proper bonding but then the “what am I missing?” kicks in and it’s only a matter of time.
You can’t win. You just can’t win. Not the way our liberal, feminized society is structured. The overwhelming balance of power is in the hands of the women. She is encouraged to continuously look for better options. From the “He isn’t making me haaaapy” mentality to the divorce racket.
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Talking about number counts, what would legitimate averages be for women:
early 20s
late 20s
mid to late 30s
I know that living near an urban center makes these numbers higher. But I’m trying to get a range for what one should expect from today’s Anglo-American women.
March 22nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
You can win, Chuck. With the knowledge you have, I believe you can. When a woman is in love, she does forget everyone who came before. Look, just because a woman wants a divorce doesn’t mean a man has to agree to it. Just say no; its what she wants to hear anyway. Red-pill men are the most prepared to be dominant husbands. Blue-pill men are the ones who shouldn’t be getting married. They are also the ones who will agree to divorce.
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
@Kate,
I don’t care if a slut is in love with me. I don’t want a slut anymore than a woman wants a beta man as her lover.
March 22nd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
I think most of the bitching is from guys who are butt sore women get to slut it up and then marry decent guys while the good men struggle in the SMP. They don’t like the idea their LTR has a higher partner count either
Most men have a strong sense of justice and women getting away with it makes them angry. Mostly legitimate anger, but there is no justice in this world but what we make for ourselves
I understand not wanting a banged out slut, and I get being angry about what is going on, but the only thing we can control is ourselves
March 23rd, 2013 at 12:33 am
I think most of the bitching is from guys who are butt sore women get to slut it up and then marry decent guys while the good men struggle in the SMP.
Life is always going to be a tradeoff. I’m sure there are plenty of things we could complain about had we been born in another time or place. But at the end of the day, pretty much everything we do is directly or indirectly related to securing the best possible partner(s) to send our genes into the next generation.
With so much effort going into this activity is there any wonder why men would be pissed when they realize that they have to settle for the what’s on offer today?
Just look around. How many fat women do you see? That has a HUGE impact on the SMP. For every pound a chubby girl puts on it raises thin girls SMV. We are being forced to pay a higher and higher price for the same quality. If you don’t want to pay the higher price, you have to drop your standards.
I am speaking of looking for a woman for a relationship. If all you want to do is have sex with a bunch of women you live in the right time and place. But eventually MOST of us would like to have the option of settling down with a decent woman.
It just doesn’t sit right that that option has been taken away from me.
March 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 am
Ton is correct that men are bitter that women can have it all; i know i certainly am. It seems grossly unfair, but there isn’t much we can do about it. Sitting back and waiting for the day when there is an extreme shortage of beta providers is no consolation either. The end result is a lonely and bitter society.
Chuck is correct about the modern SMP in terms of costs. I don’t feel like busting my hump to get a woman that is equal or even slightly below, esp since women tend to come iwith baggage at my age(34). Educated women like Kate with low partner counts are what i should be aiming for in theory, but they tend to have strict physical requirements that i can’t meet(I’m short). It is amusing that a well educated and read person such as myself finds it easier to attract a slut than a woman like that, but that’s the way it is.
March 23rd, 2013 at 5:49 am
There are NO quality women, there are just women. Women are empty vessels so they can not be different form each other. There is no fundamental difference between a slut and a virgin. Both are the same. Given this, you can not “improve” women, ´cos there is nothing to be improved. She is a complete slave to sex and biology, there si no higher soul in her. You can not “enlighten” such creature – there is nothing different within her from biology what could be improved. The biggest sliut is fundamentally the same as the virgin girl.
But you CAN condition her to behave certain way, using fear, emotions, and survival instincts, aka programs and survival instincts that rule her. Women are in many ways like animals – in this I agree with our elders. Dogs are all the same – but there is fundamental difference between a dog that has been conditioned properly by his master and abused one. The same is with women. And if you want to marry and have kids, it is better to take woman that is conditioned by her parents, past, enviroment, etc….not to fuck every stranger she meets. Of course it does not guarantee anything (remember she is not different than the filthiiest whore) but it can defintiley help. She is not conditioned to behave in a slutty way, so she might not plan to fuck your attractive buddy the second she sees him and without remorse. She may even feel baaaaad, etc. Choice is yours gentlemen :)
March 23rd, 2013 at 6:35 am
I understand Chuck and do not fault you or other men and their reaction to the smp/ mmp. Hell I understand kios as well. I am a man with a full spectrum of emotions, experiences, strengths, shortcomings, needs, wants etc. I’ve been through the grinder, been rejected for all manner of reasoning, raped in divorce court, gone from bitterness to being joyful most days and everything in between.
At the root level, my story is your story, your story is the next guys story
I’ve elected to look for long term but informal relationships because of what I see and experience regarding american women. Sadly they have become no better down here in the South, and church girls are the worse. It is a situation I can only deal with and not change. My approach is the compromise between what I want and reality.
I already have 2 kids. That probably makes it easier on me.
March 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am
Women do start off as virgins, so yes it is capable to get one before they became sluts, That means hitting on 18 year olds.
Good luck with that. A 18-year-old virgin girl thinks that she is the gift of God to men. Only the alphaest of the alpha can apply. The relationship must be perfect, fulfill all these desires and dreams and every inconvenience is interpreted as your fault. It’s all about her and her princess fantasy.
I had one of this relationships for six years when I was young with a 19-year-old girl. Give me a slut any time.
March 23rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
@imnobody
Girls don’t act like that because they’re virgins. They act like that because they perceive themselves as higher value than their partner. You don’t think sluts/former sluts act like that in the same circumstance? You don’t think sluts crave the same alphaest of alpha? You don’t think sluts indulge in the same princess fantasy? The only time a slut “excuses” relationship imperfection is when she’s settling because her value has plummeted.
March 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
@ Danger
You know, sacrificing your standards….
You dont know man, you dont know….
She can appear to be quality and you might be sorely mistaken.
And I am not even that picky, I would take an honest slut over a serial monogamist any day of the week, but you dont get to see whether she sees YOU or just some disposable dick (and ATM, and sperm donor, and whatever) until well into a budding relationship.
The result is that you have to maintain a healthy amount of distrust well after you feel it should be there, because the chances that she is a lying whore (meaning, she trades sex for favors while pretending that she does not) are less than negligeable.
God, I love an honest whore.
They tell you what it will cost in advance and they aim to please you.
March 24th, 2013 at 11:47 am
@imnobody,
To quote Rollow…..Don’t wish it were easier, wish you were better. Besides, it sounds like you are limiting your options to just western women. Why not go get that 18 year old Ukrainian who is looking for a man with money? She’s bound to have far fewer c0cks under her belt, and she’s a lot more honest about her intentions than most of the western sluts.
@orion,
Of course she can appear quality, but that goes for ALL women. Why not filter out the old, haaggard, well-ridden one’s in your search? That is my whole point. If I’m doomed to never quite know her quality, best to have a younger, hotter one who in all likelihood has had far fewer goes on the carousel.
@Ton,
God I hate the term “buttsore”. It devalues the justified anger that men or anyone has at a situation and makes them appear to be the problem. Let’s be honest, men are angry at getting a raw deal. They are angry that all of their desires are compromised to benefit the woman’s desiers, all while simultaneously being told that they are somehow oppressing the women. Some men will say that you have to compromise, and I can understand that argument. But today’s compromise is where women have it all and men have nothing, and that is anything but a compromise. Women do not play by any rules, so I follow the same script. Fvk as many as I can, and then I may go overseas when hit my late 40’s, just so I can continue fvking the young ones.
Will that anger western women? Absolutely. Is that compromise? About ss much as the “compromise” that goes on in the western world between men and women. Does that make me “buttsore”? By the definition of some, maybe. Will that make women and manginas “buttsore”? Absolutely. Do I care? Not a bit. Women are all out for their own at the expense of every man. Men would be wise to start doing the same.
The SMP is similar to a world with WMD’s. When one side pushes the button, you are pretty much fvked. So I say fine, smile and hit my button too. If I’m go down, I take the world with me.
March 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
You are right Danger and I regretted using the term about 15 minutes to late because of the dismissive tone
March 24th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Could just be me but seems like in the last few weeks all over the comments on the manosphere, and very much in this comment stream, there seem to be echoes of the CH post “Woman Admits To ‘Alpha Fux, Beta Bux’ Dating Strategy” where Sheryl Sandberg is quoted from a Salon interview stating, “I say in the book, date the bad boys, date the crazy boys, but do not marry them. Marry the boys who are going to change half of the diapers” and maybe a follow on would be an anonymous commentator on the article who wrote, “’if I wasn’t good enough for you then, you’re not good enough for me now’, This should replace “E Pluribus Unum” as the American national motto”.
If you were given the task of ordering a society, it seems to me like it would be a very high priority guiding your task to structure the society along the lines of one that promotes “men caring about women” and “women caring about men”. That which hinders these propositions should be choked, that which supports them should be cultivated.
Sandberg’s statement pretty much puts it all out there. It is so potently glib in its fathomless contempt for men that if there was any doubt to be had, well pretty much not any more: women don’t care about men. And yes … exceptions. Kate, Red Pill Woman, a woman I received a text from a few minutes ago, but exceptions are not the point. The rule is the point, and Sandberg has stated as clearly and succinctly as she can, here goes again: women do not care about men.
So for da menz: message sinking in. Reciprocality spooling. Men have always, always, always known you can’t have it all. Every indulgence in “can women have it all?” is one more indulgence in the now well cultivated habit: don’t care about men.
March 24th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Quality woman….blah blah blah
It all comes down to one thing : A woman you can trust with your life or the lives of your children. Oxymoron ? Maybe but ain’t that the truth !
March 24th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
YaReally, I read your comment over at CH and of course your comments here. I suppose this is the last part of the red pill that I’m having trouble accepting. Over there, you said we had two options, depression or acceptance. So how does one get to acceptance? How do I accept the fact that at best, I’ll be marrying a slut who might think the world of me if I manage to keep my value high in her eyes?
How do you ever relax? How do you not take the MGTOW route? Seriously, between your comments and this article, I don’t see the point to doing anything but the old pump and dump out of my own personal safety. Knowing the system (IE Family Courts) is against me, how do I trust these sluts?
March 25th, 2013 at 11:41 am
@Danger (about your advice of dating foreigh women).
I am an European guy and I have been living in Central America for the last 15 years (where I write now).
I came here because I wanted to flee from Western women. But feminism and female entitlement have arrived here. The girl I said that she was a 19 y.o. virgin is a Central American girl. She seemed very traditional and conservative. I respected their virginity for 6 years and she dumped me and married a Frenchmen.
Don’t think Latin America is a good place for meeting this mythical woman who is untainted by feminism and female entitlement. Let me put an example, I attend a book club (here in Central America with local people) and a 35 year old girl is going to marry another member of a club: a good-looking beta with good feelings. She confessed to me that, in their twenties, she didn’t want to commit to a relationship because she was pursued by many European and American guys, with good money. She didn’t want to lose options. She had several relationships with those alphas which didn’t last. Now, her fertility going south, she is going to marry this beta, which is a good catch (she frames it as having grown up, etc. etc.)
March 25th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
@imnobody,
That is fine for me. I’m just as happy tapping younger poon looking for a rich guy as opposed to commiting to one.
Better to fvk a young foreign gold-digger than to commit to a western slut.
Hell, maybe it makes sense to just keep going down the third world ladder fvking the young gold-diggers.
March 25th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
@Michael of Charlotte
“So how does one get to acceptance?”
If you had a son and he did something bad, you could still love him despite his faults. You just accept that he isn’t perfect and that he’s going to make some mistakes in life, and you learn to appreciate the good things about him. If you had a dog and it pooped on the couch, you’d be annoyed with it, but you would still accept it.
“How do I accept the fact that at best, I’ll be marrying a slut who might think the world of me if I manage to keep my value high in her eyes?”
It doesn’t matter whether you accept it or not, this is reality. That’s kind of the point. The guys who don’t want to hear this are basically saying “well I can’t accept that there are children dying of starvation in Ethiopia so don’t tell me about that, I don’t want to hear it so it doesn’t happen la la la!!” It’s like okay, I don’t have to tell you about it, but it’s still happening. Ducking your head into the sand and creating mythical tales to believe in doesn’t change reality.
“How do you ever relax?”
Why would it upset me? I have my own shit going on, and I generally like my life and work on developing myself as a man. What women do with their lives isn’t a big concern to me, and I generally love women despite their faults…but then I don’t have an unrealistic pedestalized white-pickett doting-virgin-bride 2.5 kids fantasy that a lot of guys have been brainwashed to expect in life.
Tony Robbins says something like if you’re not happy with your life, either change your circumstances or change your expectations. There’s not really an alternative. I can’t change my circumstances, I can’t make women into something they aren’t…so I change my expectations.
“How do you not take the MGTOW route?”
…I like pussy. lol. And those guys are way beyond paranoid. A chick is like a dog…sure, your dog can bite you, but if you’re a solid owner and train it well, you don’t have to stay 100 feet away from every dog on earth. You can still get a lot of nice things out of relationships with women, you just have to able to accept that, like anyone else, they’re probably not going to be perfect.
“Knowing the system (IE Family Courts) is against me, how do I trust these sluts?”
I don’t have an answer for that one because I think the current climate is absolutely terrible for men to settle down and raise kids in. Marriage is a completely insane notion for men, and even if you have kids with a chick she can take them away at a moment’s notice. At least in the 40s there were “guarantees” that if you married a chick, you’d have a wife and access to your kids for the rest of your life…these days the whole system is designed around women following their eat, pray, love whims and fucking guys over completely. It’ll be interesting to see how the marriage strike pans out…I read that British Columbia has just made everyone who’s retroactively been together for 2 years officially legally married. That’s some scary shit, but I suspect that that kind of thing will become more common down the road…men have wised up and no longer see marriage as benefitial, but there’s an abundance of single moms out there so somehow the government will have to force us to take care of them.
it’s all pretty bleak to me lol I have zero interest in taking part in that whole system while it is how it is.
Near as I can figure it, the best you can do if you want children is meet a ton of chicks so you have a lot of choice to select from and you learn what characteristics you do and don’t like in women, then screen for a chick who’s generally pretty decent, forgive her few flaws, be the best man you can be, and hope for the best.
Nobody is owed a happy ending, despite what Disney told us. That can depress you or that can free you, it’s all a matter of perspective. :)
March 25th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
YaReally says “but then I don’t have an unrealistic pedestalized white-pickett doting-virgin-bride 2.5 kids fantasy that a lot of guys have been brainwashed to expect in life.”
Cept the virgin part, sounds like me. I am very demonstrative. Need to touch and be touched, to get positive feedback, etc. Thought that was what marriage was about. Support each other no matter what. My sons’ mother is the quite opposite. After 27 years I still have to remind myself to stay back and not hug and kiss her every moment that I am with her! I am trying to get the touchy feely stuff down to at the most 3 times daily. Goodbye kiss. Welcome back kiss, and good night kiss (with assorted ass grabbing).
Sometimes it feels like my soul is being ripped out when I want so badly to hold her, but force myself not to. This red pill shit is the hardest thing I have ever taken on.
March 25th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
YaReally,
I hear what you say and understand it. But I still think you limit the options. Nobody is saying that men *deserve* a doting virgin bride with 2.5 kids.
They are saying that they WANT that. And there is nothing wrong with this desire. But men are getting NONE of those desires met, or doing so at a very high cost. Women, on the other hand, are getting MUCH of their desires met.
The problem in some ways can be said to reside with the women, or the misandric system that supports their ability to harvest men for their needs regardless of what stage of life the woman is in. BUT I think the largest problem is that men still seem bound to this level of “honor”.
Women ruthleslys take what they want, utilizing the State in this grab of desire. Why shouldn’t men do the same thing and NOT commit to the woman who slutted it up?
I have read Tony Robbins work, while I agree that we can either accept something or change our expectations, it doesn’t mean that there is no way to achieve what we want. I think too many men have it ingrained within them that they should not be taking full advantage of the situation. (BTW, MGTOW doesn’t mean they aren’t fvking women, it just means they are doing what they want…..at least that is my understanding).
Interestingly, Tony married a woman who already had three children from different men. Not to take away from his point though.
March 25th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Considering the costs and risks in marriage for men, the only fitting reward for a husband is his wife’s virginity.
March 26th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
@YaReally,
I suppose that’s the problem I’m facing. I want children, in particular, sons. I gotta be honest, the myth of the quality girl was keeping me motivated to get in shape, to keep earning more and more and to perfect my social skills. But it simply impossible me to accept the idea that there really is a small subset of girls who fit my idea of quality that aren’t married by age 24. It’s simply foolish to even think that, I see that now.
I will have to focus on your dog analogy and the one about the guy with the bladder problem. I suppose this does free me in the sense that putting women on a pedestal seems absolutely absurd to me now.
Thanks, to you and to Rollo, sort of.
April 3rd, 2013 at 9:01 am
Sorry for sounding naive, but I don’t get it. I wasn’t a virgin when I met my fiance, but I’d only been in two physical relationship previously, one which I left because of ill health, one which I left for my current man, because I suddenly fell in love and realised that just getting on with a guy and finding him reasonably attractive wasn’t the same thing at all.
Since then, for the last year and a half, I’ve been entiely uninterested in other men. It’s not because I’m ‘marrying up’, ’cause I’m not. I’m currently the wage earner, my boyfriend is at uni, I can drive, he can’t, and I come from a more affluent background. The reason is because fundementally, all the other men in the world are less interesting, intelligent, and functionally compatible with me than my fiance is. (I’m also a statistician, and on a mathematical level I’m not joking. I have high standards for character, and he meets them all).
So have I just acheived the ultimate hypergamy without noticing? I’m not sure.
But this post was about ‘Quality Women’, so enough about my background. In return for him being the man of my dreams, I try to be the best girlfriend I can. I dress well, cook lots, give backrubs, indulge in lots of sex, have learned all his hobbies, polish his shoes, wash his clothes, (when there’s time) dry his hair after he showers, take him to sporting events, and am unfailingly loyal. I let him sleep in, never tease him, never disallow him from doing what he wants, and have so far never really argued with him, though we talk a lot and don’t always agree. I’m pretty sure he thinks I’m one of these quality women you speak of, and though I don’t know any other girls in my position, I’m sure they exist. If there’s some other definition I’m missing, let me know. I want to be as good a woman as possible for my man, so advice is always appreciated.
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Quality is the agreement between what is wanted and what exists.
March 21st, 2015 at 11:32 am
The premise of this article is spot on. Even after swallowing the red pill,I chose the marriage route. My wife was no “virgin” but compared to most women, in her age bracket, pretty damn chaste. Most of her past consisted of betas she had LTRs with . One Alpha pump/dump. Ironically he ended up contacting her out of the blue the first year into our marriage. But I’m more alpha than him and service her well enough he posed no threat, Overall her notch count was dingle digits. In this day and age if you can find a feminine, attractive woman , with domestic inclination and with a notch count that is below 10 – you are doing pretty well. The unicorn remains – just that a myth. The sooner guys realize this the easier it will be for them to relax and enjoy the “fruit”