Chasing Amy

Beware of making a Quality woman your substitute for a ONEitis idealization.

As an addendum to the Good Girls Do post from a week back I’m submitting an insightful story about the disillusionment Christian beta-males had with Amy Grant.

Here we have a purile Amy Grant-as-sex-object; only that object fits an idealization so she becomes the mythical Quality goal for moralistic men. She fit the bill perfectly; hot, virtuous, talented, etc. She offered the perfect fantasy in that she (or other women like her) would be patiently waiting for her husband-to-be (i.e. them) to share her virginity on their marriage night, be the best sexual experience conceivable in this reality, PLUS the best virtuous experience by definition.

All that comes crashing to the ground when Amy gets off on the pre-marital sex, “she enjoyed it”, and falls from grace. She becomes human, the idealization shatters and the vitriol ensues. Now she’s secular, an insincere charlatan that led them to believe something false. She’s suddenly “low quality” and they hate her more passionately than had she not fit their idealization to begin with, and all the girls who modeled themselves after her are now suspect of her sins by association.

People are going to be people. What this essay doesn’t elaborate upon is that eventually Amy Grant cheated on her husband with Vince Gill (also cheating on his first wife) and they got married and are all fat, rich and happy.

Sex, Amy Grant and the Quest for the Righteous Fox

By Mark Olsen

Almost a decade ago, riding a church bus back from the obligatory summer choir trip, a friend turned to me and I heard these words for the first time. “Hey, check out Amy Grant.”

I slid the earphones off my head and wrinkled my nose. “Yeah, I know. That folksy singer, the sincere one.”

I’d heard about her, read some gracious reviews of her first few releases, but my curiosity had never ignited. Her image seemed kind of limpid. And then my friend handed me a copy of a Christian mag. There lay a full-color picture of Amy, beckoning from the page.

“No. I mean, check her out. She’s all right.”

So I checked out Amy’s picture. All of a sudden, my interest knew no bounds.

You have to understand. Back then, in the waning years of high school, my church friends and I were the epitome of Contemporary Christian Youth. We
were the paradigm. We would pray for our back-slidden acquaintances and then go watch them perform at keg parties. We would scrutinize Pat Benatar and Styx albums for signs of latent Christianity. We would agonize over the dearth of hot guitar licks in so-called Christian rock. Then, having gratefully discovered Phil Keaggy, we would play him to our unsaved friends, bending towards the speakers with satisfied grins, watching eagerly for their silent nods of approval.

All this is relevant. It’s relevant because high atop this slightly marginal, oddly acclimated Christian teenage-male subculture, towered the seductive Myth of the Righteous Fox.

Hovering languidly at the end of our frustratingly virtuous dating rainbow, this beautiful and unsullied babe of legend had rejected the lure of football jocks and fast cars and saved her beauty for an earnest Bible-studier and choir-attender (who also happened to be cool, hip, and into rock’n’roll) – someone, of course, remarkably like us. The Righteous Fox would be God’s reward for having survived, for having endured. He knew how many youth group videos on sexual purity, and the saccharine, fifties-laced condescension of countless off-the-cuff pastors’ talks we endured. She was our revenge on those unsaved guys who’d nearly convinced us we’d missed the action.

Reduced to its bare Quixotic core, the Quest for the Righteous Fox consisted of a never-ending search for that really cool, deeply spiritual chick who’d hung out with the guys just long enough to make every last one – except for ourselves – overlook her blinding-yet-unobtrusive beauty (Pointing out once again the Quest’s most delusional side-effect: The Fallacy of Original Attraction).

Only one problem though: true Righteous Foxes were (and still are) incredibly hard to find. And nearly impossible to find before another hard-scamming Christian dude discovered her first. Yet the fantasy persisted. It invariably followed these exacting parameters:

We and The Fox would spot each other someday, eyeing each other soulfully over the pages of our Bible study guides, knowing, with that mutual instinct borne of fate, that we had found The One. We would ply her with a typically Christian courtship, spent in the festive embrace of a youth or college church group. Then finally, mere hours after a ceremony of Contemporary Christian music interspersed with wedding vows, she would reward our years of grudging virginity with the pure abandon of sanctified lust. (The best kind of sex there is – we  ‘just knew’ it.)

“She’s out there,” we’d say. “Just waiting for me.”

But for a while, we weren’t so sure. The girls in our youth group … well, we didn’t think they qualified, on account of the babe criterion. Familiarity breeds … well, you know. We caught fleeting glimpses of The Righteous Fox at youth rallies, desperately scanning the crowds, pining for another glance like Richard Dreyfuss in “American Graffiti”. We spoke longingly of the babe-laden youth group in the neighboring town. But she never seemed to find her way into our lives.

That is, until Amy.

Amy made our blood boil; she burrowed into our imaginations and oppressed our dreams. She made us gape shamelessly, as I did when I first saw in person Amy’s big doe-eyed sincerity, cascading brown hair and crooked smile, and was smitten with the knowledge that God had finally epitomized the Righteous Fox in human form. Amazing thing though: along with the knowledge came the blazingly idiotic notion that I alone had apprehended this miraculous insight.

But the idiocy didn’t last long. Midway through my first Amy concert, I looked down from the sight of her wafting one more song for Him and over at my best friend Ted. I realized it was all over. Our eyes met and we both knew, fresh from the eyes of our private fantasy, that this was no bolt-from-a-blue-sky occurrence. The affliction was well-nigh universal, shot through the heart of every glazed-over, slack-jawed Christian male in the concert hall that night.

Her beauty wasn’t – quite – what you’d call striking. It was different than striking. Amy’s appeal went much deeper than mere physical perfection. And the sincere, profound beauty Amy manifested, she seemed – no surprise to us – unaware of. (She might cultivate her looks, but she’d also – somehow – remain completely oblivious to them.)

If you were to go out with Amy, you could count on her not to cake on the make-up. You could just tell. And a girl like her probably wouldn’t kiss you on the first date – although she wouldn’t make you wait much longer either. (No gratuitous prudery in Amy’s life.) And she’d never complain about the flaking paint job on your car. You’d never innocently trust in her character, then hear the guys report with leering tones on Monday morning that she’d been spotted sneaking beers in the Dairy Queen parking lot. No, you’d known where Amy’d been – on a Youth Council retreat with a gaggle of lesser companions, plotting hayrides and witnessing strategies. And as for the premarital thing … don’t even think about it.

Man, did Gary Chapman ever shatter that pipe dream.

First, I heard she was engaged. Through my grief and dismay, I discerned only a slight tarnish on my luminous Amy image. But some time later, I heard the worst.

She’d gotten married. Worse yet, by the time I’d heard, the wedding had actually taken place weeks before, meaning that – barring some unlikely scenario – the union had most certainly been consummated. That hurt. Gary had compelled Amy (through some unfair form of coercion, no doubt), to say, “I do,” to someone other than ourselves. The simultaneous dream of a million young evangelical men vanished in one night. And the ever-so-subtle sexual backlash began the very next day.

Amy didn’t help, of course. Not only did she fail to keep the subject of sex a secret, but she actually started intimating that she rather … well… enjoyed it. Stories started circulating of unsettling, injudicious comments made to magazines and concert audiences. (Did she actually mention “…getting our rocks off…” to Rolling Stone?Certainly not something “Jesus would say.”)

I noticed the backlash myself beginning with Amy’s first video. Ted could hardly contain his indignation over one salacious sequence in which Amy shed her jacket and the camera followed the garment – apparently not briskly enough – down over the inflammatory regions of her body and to the floor. “It’s almost pornographic,” he said. I watched it with him, and saw nothing remotely lewd in the move. (Just the same, our eyes never left the screen. We never blinked.)

Soon I started to notice a pattern. The guys were grumbling. The girls were growing catty. I noticed, within my own dreams, a growing dissatisfaction with my cherished mental-Amy-scenarios. My short-reel romantic visions were falling off the sprocket before I could even begin the date that inevitably followed our accidental back-stage, love-at-first-sight meeting. All because of the interloper husband, whose presence had transformed those visions from highly unlikely into now empty
fantasy. And also, quite frankly, because Amy was no longer a virgin. The script had lost its appeal. The Righteous Fox had tumbled off our rainbow.

Then it got worse. Amy mutated from the soft-focus Vermeer-lit goddess of the ‘Age to Age’ album cover into the leopard-skinned temptress of the ‘Unguarded’ album jacket. The guitars started coming out of the shadows. The drummer started using drumsticks. Finally, Amy seemed to have done what everyone had feared so long: “Gone secular.” And Amy “going secular” gave our collective discomfort a channel for expression. We turned on her with a vengeance.

It’s been years, of course, since all this took place. And in that time, many culturally plugged-in Christians have become aware of a fairly pervasive, surprisingly virulent anti-Amy backlash. Most intelligently assume that it stems from the dilemma surrounding whether a Christian performer should dilute or reduce their religiosity to broaden a potential audience. Again, the old debate over “going secular.” In light of her recent mega-stardom, it sounds logical.

Naah. It’s about sex.

It’s about this: she used to be ours, and now she isn’t. She used to be Contemporary Christian subculture’s fresh, untouched, pretty young secret. Then she gave herself away. First to a man, then to the unwashed masses over in Adult Contemporary. And now years later, many of us still haven’t forgiven her. We haven’t forgiven Amy for getting married, for daring to admit that she is a sexual being, for bearing children (lest we forget, the most glaring result of carnal relations). Most of all, we’ve never forgiven her for not choosing us.

Among the women, many of whom appear to be the most strident Amy critics of later years, I detect the venting of some long-repressed frustrations. They’re the “other girls” of our youth groups. The ones who saw the best guys hold out for a dream; causing them to attend Valentine’s banquets with their little brothers. They’re the ones the Quest left behind. The girls who, somewhere between graduation and first summer back from college, mysteriously acquired the mystery and allure we thought they’d lacked.

They’re the women we married.

They don’t make love every time with the ardor of twenty pent-up years, and they don’t “submit” quite as well as Marabel Morgan would recommend. They don’t spout spiritual wisdom every time they open their mouth. But they’re the ones who took us in after the Righteous Fox fell from grace.

Meanwhile, Amy seems to opt for surprisingly mundane activities back down on the farm. Conceiving children. Bearing children. Raising children. Hosting Bible studies. Mending a marriage. Keeping in touch with friends. Sound familiar? Maybe a few years off that rainbow, the archetype turned into — gasp — a real-life woman after all.

I didn’t repost this story as some indictment of Christian culture, but rather as an example of how plugged-in men develop idealization of their “Quality Woman.” Neither am I trying to convince anyone that “all women are sluts, never trust them.” Both of those characterizations are binary extremes, women lie somewhere in between. It’s a much healthier starting point for men to understand women from the perspective of coming to terms with their pre-conditioned idealization. Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.

19 comments

  1. I honstly think most men do not expect their women to be virginal princesses. My expecctation is that they have not slept with the entire army.

    At the age of 25, I think it’s reasonable that she has 3 or 4 guys under her belt, but a vast majority out there are already in double digits by the time they hit 21 or 22.

    That is a huge difference and to me it is very telling of the type of girl we are talking about. A girl that is capable of holding a couple of long-term relationships is ultimately more valuable to me than one who strings along double-digit flings (not including blowjobs only of course, because “they don’t count”).

    To put it more succinctly…..If my goal is marriage and a family, why would I want to buy a woman who gave the majority of her hot years to the alpha horde and left me with the life-long bill and all of the used-up baggage that goes with it? If I am going to pay that sort of currency for a woman, you had better bet that I want the deal I am paying for.

    Does it not make more sense to pick the girl that has proven to be capable of forming fewer, more stable relationships?

    Moral of the story is, if you’re buying a wh0re, you are overpaying. They are meant to be rented only.

    If you are looking to buy, make sure you are getting your money’s worth. Caveat Emptor!

  2. “Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.”

    ^^ This.

  3. “Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.”

    Nicely put. Women aren’t one dimensional. They respond to incentives.

    Men with game can use this to shape the nature of their relationships.

    The Christian guy in the story was suffering from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna-whore_complex

    Reading some of the comments on sites like Roissy / Heartiste, I wonder if some of these guys are simply swinging the pendulum from Madonna to whore.

    Going from complete adoration to complete revulsion. Never really getting the message in the process.

  4. More evidence that there really is no difference between the Christian girl and her secular sisters. None at all. This is where men err — they think there is something different about the Christian girl. She has sex for procreation only; doesn’t get into it all that much; and certainly is way above game. You don’t have to game a Christian girl, says the pastor. No, they are above seedy game. But nothing’s further from the truth, as more and more good men are discovering.

    Christianity doesn’t eliminate human nature. Christianity simply superimposes a moral code upon human nature in an effort to regulate and harness it.

  5. Damn, that is one hell of a pedestal.

    The thing is, I can identify. While I was never all that devout, I was, during early high school, pretty involved in youth group and shit like that. I was quite the SoCon type White Knight and pedestalizer because of this, quietly mad at/jealous over the dudes who banged “impure” chicks or whatever. But we had our church girls, and man some of them were cute. Me and my fellow youth group dudes were all convinced these chicks were paragons of virtue, all the more so since many of these girls went to different schools. We pursued them like crazy in “Christian” nice/prude ways, convinced that because they were supposedly devout, they were pure or whatever, and wanted to be treated specially.

    Then I got older and made connections to other high schools in the metro, and later in college to people who went to those schools, and found out lots of unsavory details about them. Pedestals crumbled. Then I took the red pill, but that’s a different story.

    The suppression of discourse on women’s true sexual natures and the “better half” mentality in modern day Christianity-lite, combined with an us vs. them, we’re devout everyone else is corrupt sinners, (notice this dudes language- he self anoints as “saved” anyone who is a Xtian and looks down on everyone else) leads to this pedestalization of most chicks who go to church. It’s easy to imagine how this dude put Amy Grant so high up there because of this.

    Unfortunately, him, and many men in his situation, are unknowing suckers, all of them.

    The recent discussions at Dalrock’s dig into this a lot deeper. The Church has been fully consumed by the feminine imperative.

  6. “The recent discussions at Dalrock’s dig into this a lot deeper. The Church has been fully consumed by the feminine imperative.”

    Yes, the feminist imperative is precisely why churches, so-cons and female advice-givers such as Susan will never get it completely right, because they can’t understand and/or don’t want to admit the feminine imperative that…

    “Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.”

  7. Its interesting how despite social pressure, threats of violence, physical coercion, threats of existential death, appeals to religion, threats of being ostracised, financial disincentives etc. chicks will follow their natures one way or a another.

    All a guy has to do is read one line or be told fact and they’ll subvert their natures to some idealization.

  8. What happens is that many don`t understand this: The religions, ethic systems were designed to harness the human instincts, otherwise there would be no civilization to speak of, as simple as that. If your instincts were on the loose, ALL of us would have been murdered and/or being murderers ourselves, since everyone at least once in his life has wanted to kill someone, either justified or unjustified. The girls in the state of nature are nothing “intermediate” they are whores (at least 90%). Without social conventions, shaming, human structures etc, that’s their real nature, part of their reproductive strategy, just as all men would like our own harem, however since we all know the dynamics of society, we know female infidelity is worse than ours.

    So if you want to have a family you’ll have to pick al least one almost virgin (1-3 partners) if you want to have a chance, otherwise it will not work http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/wm303.pdf

  9. Ahhh. The gameboys try their hand at theology and comparative religion, and surprise, they conclude it all just so much white knightery. Again. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When all you have are facile philosophical categories to fit every observation into, you will cram each one in there by force if need be.

    You are all a broken record and simply ignorant whereof you speak.

    Let’s try out this brain-bender, bros. Maybe Game is a religion too! And a young and poorly thought-out one at that! The brighter among you are creeping into metaphysics because you realize that, while technique is good to discern and practice, all technique must be grounded in reliable principles. Religion is a conscious ritual based in exploration of those principles. Now tell me how Game is any different from openly declaring a creed for the purpose of trying to remain true (faithful) to its precepts?

    Why are we digging up the corpse of Amy Grant, old man? Why not the fresher, more relevant, and more extreme example of Katy Hudson?

    What mindlessly irreligious evangelists for Game fail to grasp — though they understand it intra-game with their own students’ learning curve — is the difference between respecting perfection, aspiring toward perfection, and failing in the aspiration. But this is as old a Christian principle as there is:

    Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. (Romans 7:16-20)

    Exegese that. I promise you, it will be more profitable than parsing Amy Grant lyrics and magazine quotes, or even Roissy “Commandments.”

    We’ve had women figured out ever since Eve. The Enlightenment was the attempt to secularize the Christian principle — Christianity without its Christ — and that is the source of white knightery, that is what “has been fully consumed by the feminine imperative.”

    “Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.”

    Speak for your own daughters and wives, you slut rearing beta cuckold and father-pimp. Your formulation is pithy, cute, and paint-eatingly stupid. If your household has not prepared its distaff members for the ravages of indulging their hypergamy, that’s the king’s fault. If your religion (or polity) has not prepared its female citizens and children for the ravages of indulging their hypergamy, that’s the fault of the prevailing assumptions of the regime.

    We faithful hold up examples of proper feminine behavior, even as they are mocked equally by feminists and gamers alike, and for this you conclude our ignorance about the truth of female nature. We venerate images of the immaculate so that girls have a model to counter the temptations of their slatternly impulses. You peremptorily decide their ability to resist such temptations to be impossible and therefore find any project to corral them to be quixotic. That speaks more to the loose women in your life than it does about the ceiling on female virtue.

    Amy Grant’s fall from grace shocks no Christian. Neither does Katy Perry’s or Anne Rice’s or Eve’s. Neither does yours or mine, or your daughters’ (whose numbers would you please provide me, pimp-daddy?). That’s what it means to say we are all sinners. It’s not, like, some humongo guilt trip, mannn, to harsh your buzz. It’s an imperative element in distinguishing what ideals men and women should follow despite the difficulty of pursuing perfection. “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.”

    The idea that sinners’ stumbling proves the inevitability (or impossibility) of sin is the oldest trick in the book. So, more than just innocent and stupid, you’re repetitive and boring.

  10. As per usual you entirely miss the point of the essay while redirecting your moralistic disdain of Game with a slapdash of only vaguely coherent smatterings of loosely relevant sentences.

    Firstly, I didn’t write that article, a disillusioned Christian guy did. Amy was the focus of his and his peer’s idealization, not mine per se.

    Secondly, under the influence of your righteous indignation perhaps you skimmed over the part I did write:

    I didn’t repost this story as some indictment of Christian culture, but rather as an example of how plugged-in men develop idealizations of their “Quality Woman.”

    This essay wasn’t about christian hypocrisy, it was about plugged-in men’s idealizations and the conflict they represent when the object of that idealization doesn’t synch up with the reality of it. Yes, White Knights tend to suffer most from this delusion, but White Knightery is not exclusive to christian guys. Honestly, I think Amy was just doing what normal human women’s hypergamy prompts them to. If anything I’d defend her for doing what her imperative dictated she do. You can’t blame a doberman for biting your hand when you wave a juicy steak in front of it; it’s just doing what comes natural.

    All I do is hold up a mirror. Whether a chump wants to look or not is up to him.

    Might I suggest you read a bit more for comprehension next time? It’ll save you a lot of keyboard time.

  11. You do realize that the lead character of chasing Amy was a whore right? She was nicknamed fingercuffs by her High School peers because of a threesome where she took one dude in her mouth and another from behind.

    I think the best motto to live by is… all women are sluts, never trust them until she proves otherwise. It’s very practical and not nearly as feministy sounding as your advice that “women are people too”.

  12. The nature of woman is to be a whore. Any real christian with an understanding of the creation story would not have put any woman on a pedestal.
    And note that feminists hate Freud, but love to whip out his Madonna Whore complex as ammunition. Just sayin…

  13. A main point that I want to make with my comment here is that this idealization (beliefs) are taught by others (mainly religions) and learned (formed into beliefs). I started out as a teenager believing that sexuality was natural and normal. Then, gradually from relatives and religion (every week for years being brainwashed in christian churches and told to submit to this idealization or go to hell forever) that this is the idealization we “have to” live by. I would think to myself that I did not believe in this idealization as being true to my nature as a masculine man, but gradually against my inner will I started believing out of fear I had to live out this belief/idealization to not go to hell. Religion (many of the priests were homosexuals who were abusing boys) and going to church (mostly filled with old women) was turning me into a AFC. Because of poverty I stopped going to church and stopped listening to feminized religious tv shows, it took a few more years to un-learn this idealization and I now do NOT have these beliefs anymore. I have been learning about Game the last few years and have re-claimed my natural masculinity. My main point is that religion (especially christian churches) “teach”/brainwash men and women (especially men) to have the beliefs that form this idealization. If I did not have those years of poverty and therefore do not go to church anymore, then I would not have learned more about game and I would now still be an AFC stuck in living out the beliefs in this self-righteous/judgmental/non-masculine idealization.

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  15. Reading this article brought back memories. I happened to be in a small, Christian college when Amy “went secular”…had no clue who she was, because my family didn’t listen to contemporary Christian music. Several of the friends who lived in our apartment complex were quite upset about it. Looking back now, it’s clear these guys were losers with women. First off, they were about 10 years older than the average student, and still finishing up their degrees. They were extremely shy, didn’t date, didn’t pursue any hobbies, etc. I know at least one married a single mom when he moved back home, and was divorce raped. The others I’ve kept up with have never married. The sad thing is that they were surrounded by thousands of pretty, fairly chaste women, but couldn’t stop pedestalizing them.

  16. “If your instincts were on the loose, ALL of us would have been murdered and/or being murderers ourselves, since everyone at least once in his life has wanted to kill someone, either justified or unjustified.”

    i strongly disagree.

    are you saying that WITHOUT religion, you wouldn’t know good from bad behavior?

    or are you saying that religion instills the very moral code we all live by?

    before answering, make sure you’re aware that more people have died on this planet due to religion over EVERYTHING else.

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