Changing Your Programming

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Changing Your Programming

I mentioned in the first book that I am not a motivational speaker.

I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be their own self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not a Rollo Tomassi success story, but their own success stories.

That said, let me also add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will and determination. God willing, they can be masters of those circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.

With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions in which he operates and maneuvers.

You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s Hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.

You can unplug.

You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.

These are the last words from The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine. I wrote something similar in the first book too, but I’m quoting them here because they are just as important now as they were when I was writing them then. I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in creating a cult of Rollo. I’m not interested in creating better men, I’m interested in those men making themselves better men.

Descriptions and Prescriptions

You’ll have to forgive me, I wrote this part about a year ago, but I think it’s still relevant now. In part 4 of Preventative Medicine a commenter (who, for the record is not an InCel by any stretch) asked me why I had no real prescriptive plan for men to follow with regards to ‘preventing’ or avoiding the bad decisions associated with the time line I laid out in that series. This was my response:

Imagine for a moment I had the temerity to presume that I know exactly what a 60 year old reader experiences in his personal life with a post-menopausal wife. I could take a good stab at it, but anything specific I could prescribe for him would be based on my best-guess speculations and according to how I’ve observed and detailed things in this series or any of my past posts.

From my earliest posts at SoSuave (in 2004) I’ve had men ask me for some ‘medicine’ for their condition; some personalized plan that will work for them. This sentiment is exactly what makes PUA and manosphere ‘self-help’ speakers sell DVDs and seats at seminars. They claim to have the cure. I say that’s bullshit.

I’m not in the business of cures, I’m in the business of diagnoses. Imagine a PUA guru attempting to force fit their plans to accommodate that 60 year old man’s situation. Athol Kay makes attempts to remedy married men’s (non) sex lives, but what’s his real success rate? Is it even measurable? Even Athol recognizes that his MMSL outline is just a map, a diagnosis, that men have to modify for themselves per their individual experience and demographic. You see, your cure, your plan of action isn’t what another man’s will be, or your future son’s, or anyone else reading my work. I can give you a map, but you still have to make your own trail. I’m not a savior, you are your savior

Short version: I’m not interested in making men be better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better Men.

What’s more legitimate, my prescribing some course or template to follow that leads a man to a success that ultimately I define for a reader, or my laying out an accurate landscape for his better understanding and he creates his own success with it?

Are you your success or my success? I’d rather a Man be his own.

Most men already suspect they know what the keys are, and most even know how to use them, but what they really want is confirmation that they actually have the keys.

My approach to Game is defined in much broader terms than simply ‘how to get girls’, and I think for the better part of the manosphere the understanding of Game has evolved beyond rote memorization of scripts and plans. It’s gotten to a stage where even the most enthusiastic proponents of PUA techniques acknowledge a need for an individualized approach to relating and interacting with women based on a broader applied understanding of feminine psychology, sociology and the particular conditions that apply to themselves as well as the women they’re interacting with.

It’s been noted before, my approach to Game / Red Pill awareness is descriptive, not prescriptive.

I’m humbled by the men who email me and let me know how something I’ve written or shined a light on for them has saved them from suicide or some particular hell they would’ve endured longer in. For the most part though I get email and comments from men who tell me that they have built better lives for themselves because a Red Pill awareness made their situations more intelligible. I don’t sell a program or a prescription because each man’s circumstance is different, his acculturation is different, his ethnicity, society, upbringing, body composition and mental faculties are all different.

But we are all men. If the Red Pill is anything it’s a consortium of men who relate their individual experiences about women, about themselves and about their circumstances in what’s now become a feminine-primary social order. As I’ve stated in the past, I’m humbled and flattered to be considered one of the pillars of Red Pill awareness, but most of what I write is the result of piecing together the related experiences of other men.

I didn’t create the Red Pill, I just describe that awareness in terms I think are intelligible. I connect dots, but much of those dots are presented to me by a collective of men who’ve had common experiences. If those dots don’t follow, if those dots would be better connected in another way, I expect the Men who make up Red Pill awareness to offer their new ideas in an open exchange, in a marketplace of ideas.

Sometimes that marketplace gets weighed down with disingenuous critics, trolls and attention seekers, but this is the price, I believe, is necessary to distill and test the strength of those ideas. Only in a crucible of open debate where all are encouraged to participate can those ideas be sussed out.

Men with questions don’t frighten me; men with no questions do.

Law 18: Do Not Build Fortresses to Protect Yourself— Isolation is Dangerous
The world is dangerous and enemies are everywhere— everyone has to protect themselves. A fortress seems the safest. But isolation exposes you to more dangers than it protects you from-it cuts you off from valuable information, it makes you conspicuous and an easy target. Better to circulate among people, find allies, mingle. You are shielded from your enemies by the crowd.

From Nursing Power:

A handful of my male readers often ask why I don’t moderate comments, or that the message of Rational Male would be better served if I banned certain commenters. I’ve mentioned on several posts and threads as to why I won’t ever do that (except for blatant spamming), but in a nutshell it’s my fundamental belief that the validity of any premise or idea should be able to withstand public debate. People who aren’t confident of the strength of their assertions or ideas, or are more concerned with profiting from the branding of those weak assertions than they are in truth, are the first to cry about the harshness of their critics and kill all dissent as well as all discourse about those assertions.

That’s the primary reason I’ve never moderated; if people think I’m full of shit I’m all ears – I’m not so arrogant as to think I’ve thought of every angle about any idea I express here or on any other forum. However, the second reason I don’t censor, ban users or delete comments is that I believe it’s useful to have critics (usually women or fem-men) provide the gallery with examples of exactly the mentality or dynamic I’m describing in an essay. With a fair amount of predictability, a blue pill male or an upset woman will just as often prove my point for me and serve as a model for what I’ve described.

I never intentionally try to make rubes out of the critics I know will chime in about something, but I will sometimes leave out certain considerations I may have already thought about something, knowing it will get picked up on by a critic. I do this on occasion because the I know that the “ah hah! I got him, he forgot about X,Y, Z” moment serves as a better teaching tool and confirms for me that a critic does in fact comprehend what I’m going on about.

Last week Roosh came out against the various tribes of Game such as it is. While I understand his intent I must disagree with his methods. A couple of weeks ago I got into a bit of political discourse with regard to how the Feminine Imperative and how Hypergamy influences social dynamics. That post generated a lot of conversation, but from it I made this statement:

It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.

Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.

As most of my readers know I have a great deal of respect for Roosh and I still do. Nothng is going to change that. I think time will tell what direction his push for Neomasculine philosophy truly goes in. As far as what he’s describing in that “new” doctrine there’s not much I disagree with. I’ll take issue with his anti-evolution, anti-evo psych stance. I’ll take issue with his want for some as yet undefined moralism; and not because I don’t think morality or reverence to a higher power shouldn’t be part of it, but rather because it pollutes and distorts open discourse.

I’m not an atheist, anyone who’s read my commentary on Dalrock’s site knows this. That said I don’t think there is a substitute for critical inquiry, and when that is stifled, that’s when we lean over into dogma.

From Moral to the Manosphere:

Putting angel’s or devil’s wings on observations hinders real understanding.

I say that not because I don’t think morality is important in the human experience, but because our interpretations of morality and justice are substantially influenced by the animalistic sides of our natures, and often more than we’re willing to admit to ourselves. Disassociating one’s self from an emotional reaction is difficult enough, but adding layers of moralism to an issue only convolutes a better grasp of breaking it down into its constituent parts. That said, I also understand that emotion and, by degree, a sense of moralism is also characteristic of the human experience, so there needs to be an accounting of this into interpretations of issues that are as complex as the ones debated in the manosphere.

Although I’m aware that observing a process will change it, it’s my practice  not to draw moralistic conclusions in any analysis I make because it adds bias where none is necessary. The problem is that what I (and others in the manosphere) propose is so raw it offends ego-invested sensibilities in people. Offense is really not my intent, but often enough it’s the expected result of dissecting cherished beliefs that seem to contribute to the well being of an individual.

There was a time I sat in a behavioral psychology class back in college. Behaviorism appealed to me because it was very nuts & bolts, not at all like the touchy-feely humanist schools of psychology. Behavior is the only reliable proof of motive. It was cause and effect, modify variables, and watch for behavior.

At one point I began to see that women are masters of operant conditioning – they had the natural reward 99% of men want, sex. Men’s behavior could be modified just by the prospect of sex, and they could also be influenced by negative reinforcement and punishment. It was one thing to make these observation, but quite another to express them in the classroom. Many of the more intelligent minds I dealt with then would adamantly refuse to recognize the truths that operant conditioning played. After I thought about it I understood that they were likewise motivated to deny what I thought was right in front of their faces.

I had connected some uncomfortable dots; dots that had the potential of making a man less desirable for having connected them. This was really the beginning of many more uncomfortable connections I would make later.

Roosh has tried to make a case that the Red Pill community (subred) has now reached critical mass. He sees it as inbred; a community of complainers – and in some instances I can understand that. Debate can often sound like complaining. However, what I get from Roosh now is a need for answers, it seems to me he’s looking for a plan of action. He wants something prescriptive for himself and other men to follow on with. I get it.

He’s still included Red Pill truths as being an important part of his new doctrine and I’d respect him for that, if not for the wholesale disownment of the consortium that’s been the testbed for those truths for so long. As I stated above, I think Neomasculinity may have some merit, I don’t disagree with about 90% of the manifesto Roosh went to great effort to put together. What I disagree with is how he’s initiated all of this. He does no favors to himself with casual dismissals of principles he knows are deeper than he wants to give credit to – in fact most are principles he influenced personally.

As for my part, I’m going to keep doing what I do and that’s making men aware of the world that’s been pulled over their eyes. I will likely have some strong disagreement with Roosh in the future, but as I’m fond of saying unplugging men from the matrix is dirty work. We’re both in the same family, and sometimes brothers will fight, and that’s OK.

I disagree with him that the Red Pill will cease to go on. It may be called something else, but it’s been around before he or I started writing about it. The “Red Pill”, like many other terms, is an abstraction; a place holder for an idea. Don’t like the Matrix movie references? Fine, but the truth is the truth and freely expressed ideas need words to describe them.

Maybe Neomasculinity is the prescription you need, but from what I can gather so far it’s a movement based on exclusion; not inclusion, not on a free exchange of ideas. Maybe the christianized Red Pill of Donalgraeme or Dalrock is a better prescription for you. Maybe you need the inspiration of a guy like Victor Pride and a better outlook on your physique.

Or maybe all you need is a truth and an awareness to help you lift yourself up. Yes, Red Pill awareness can be very depressing in the beginning, I’ve written several posts and book chapters dedicated to helping men come to terms with that, but ultimately it will be that awareness that becomes the catalyst for changing his life.

The Red Pill isn’t one size fits all, you have to tailor your own life with what it shows you.

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Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

@Rollo I appreciate each post you write and enjoy the pictures you include for each. Each picture is a great metaphor that dynamically and often humorously compliments what you write. The following compliments this posts picture… To each his Dulcinea That he alone can name To each a secret hiding place Where he can find the haunting face To light his secret flame For with his Dulcinea Beside him so to stand A man can do quite anything Outfly the bird upon the wing Hold moonlight in his hand Yet if you build your life on dreams It’s prudent to… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

@rugby11ljh

We are all “expendable”, here temporarily….all the more reason to live life to the fullest.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago

@M Simon
“Adopt the warrior attitude. Make your death count. Accomplish something.”
I will I must
@NBTM
I am the master of my own fate. I am learning to live I am learning .

M Simon
10 years ago

Jeremy
May 29th, 2015 at 3:03 pm

In engineering fields intensely focused on life and death (aerospace is one) the corporate culture is pretty good. Why? Because results actually matter. Doing the work the best you can matters.

And in my experience the Alpha to Beta ratio is fairly high. Might be as high as 50/50.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“Some historians speculate that Jesus (the real person) took many of his teachings from Buddhist ideas and principles when he traveled to the ‘east’ the first 30 years or so of his life. ”

The assumption is made that if he had learned Buddhist philosophy he must have, necessarily, done so in India, but this is not the case.

Indian philosophy, and even some Indian philosophers, had been brought to Alexandria in Egypt, which at the time also had the largest Jewish population in the world, about half the city; a most likely destination for a Jewish refugee.

70'sAntiHero
10 years ago

@ kfg

interesting

@ rugby

“Don’t despair: despair suggests you are in total control and know what is coming. You don’t – surrender to events with hope.” – Alain de Botton

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

Just finished reviewing the comments of this post and I see zdr01dz continued to cling to thoughts concerning women and “motherhood” despite facts and experiences that disprove validity of that “motherhood”. zdr01dz, for our sake please answer the following questions: If the “motherhood” instinct is on par with AF/BB, then why do essentially all females who have access to birth control pills use birth control pills? If motherhood is an equal priority, then why do women delay it for years the with sole purpose of optimizing AF during a their most healthy prime when they can best facilitate motherhood? Why… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

The Red Pill is the only cure for dumbassitis.

A Definite Beta Guy
10 years ago

Charlotte, What specific comments and complaints do you have in mind? I have a long litany of complaints against women, but more against society for not restraining their negative impulses. That statement alone lists me as Public Enemy in a society where a woman can lie about being raped and be invited to the State of the Union. So you’ll need to be more specific, since the generalized complaint “you are all bitter” gets applied to…well…anything. Also, as a female So-Con, you don’t have credibility with the Manosphere, as we do not believe your stated beliefs require you to sacrifice… Read more »

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
10 years ago

For those not keeping score: “Charlotte Allen” has suddenly become VERY BUSY trolling more than just a few manosphere comment threads in the last couple of days.

You can speed bag her/him if you so desire, but be aware that he/she is a garden variety Moby of little consequence and no game whatsoever.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moby

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  The Diplomat

@70’sAntiHero “surrender to events with hope” Good lord that’s a calming wonderful thing to be reminded off. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5V5hMjbNtDg Lawrence of Arabia “Auda abu Tayi: I am Auda abu Tayi! Does Auda serve? Howeitat tribesmen: NO! Auda abu Tayi: Does Auda abu Tayi serve? Howeitat tribesmen: NO! Auda abu Tayi: [to Lawrence] I carry twenty-three great wounds, all got in battle. Seventy-five men have I killed with my own hands in battle. I scatter, I burn my enemies’ tents. I take away their flocks and herds. The Turks pay me a golden treasure, yet I am poor! Because *I* am a… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Charlotte – Why in the fuck am I accountable for out of wedlock births or other social ills? I, like many older men here, put the fucking bit in our mouths and pulled for a long time, you judgmental, vapid cur. I carried traditional values forward and got my ass handed to me, laughed at and cheated on. Many of us are here because that set of rules you seem to want us to revert back set us up to have our guts ripped out. You dismiss all that with ‘men and women both behave’ badly or some other pablum.… Read more »

Charlotte Allen
10 years ago
Reply to  Glenn

@Glenn

Are you aware of what you sound like?

Scott
10 years ago

70s Antihero-

Thanks. Valance and priming are from the psychological literature that helps us understand for example, why you still feel scared for a while after something scary happens–even if you can rationalize that the danger is over. The hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal axis explains the biology of it, but there is a cognitive-emotional part too. So when you wake up from a bad dream and still feel like crap for a while, that’s why. I am a clinical psychologist.

I am not in a creative field really, my specialties are military and forensic psychology. (I am on active duty).

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  Scott

@Scott
I meant this scene in relation to my mother but it doesn’t seem to play on YouTube the other link was a mistake. This is the one I was trying to share.
Service is a huge thing that gets me out of myself. Helping others and putting my demons at bay with being out In nature. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcGHReGK5E

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“Listen you retarded cunt from hell…”

You should take a long hard look at the man in the mirror.

“We are not just about anger, but sharing and venting anger is okay here.”

That’s not anger, that’s long term pathological rage, apparently something Tomassi and many other red pills condone.

You don’t need trolls and moby’s and all your paranoid nonsense, you are your very own trolls.

“The Red Pill is the only cure for dumbassitis”

Doesn’t seem to be working in this forum.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

The trick, rugby11ljh, is not minding that it hurts.

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

zdr01dz comments about the maternal instinct encouraged me to rethink the subject and I now realize mothers aren’t considered nearly as much as they should be. Here are fifteen reasons why we should always respect and celebrate mothers day. 1. Most murdered children are murdered by their mothers. 2. Women are postponing motherhood in greater numbers than ever before now that they have the opportunity to do so. 3. Almost all women in western society are “waiting” to become mothers almost until or even after their eggs and reproductive organs have degenerated so they knowingly risk birth defects because their… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn May 29th, 2015 at 8:59 pm In my experience men tend to express their anger and let it go. Then if possible take action. Or, if action is not possible,embrace the suck, as we used to say back in the day. Women nurture their anger. They feed it. It is their favorite pet. Every “wrong” done against them is filed and indexed and brought up when they think it is useful. And who is put in charge of relieving a man’s pain? The man. Who is in charge of relieving a woman’s pain? The man. When a man’s pain… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

kfg
May 29th, 2015 at 9:56 pm

https://youtu.be/TvQViPBAvPk

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Glenn

Stop giving them any of your brain space. Vapid dingbats ain’t worth getting upset over. Your time’s just too valuable for it, man. Don’t waste another second of it.

Bitch is just trolling half the ‘sphere right now anyway.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

@M Simon:

As a young man, that scene is what informed me that I was not alone, that there was, or at least had been, another who got it.

Seraph
Seraph
10 years ago

Listen, everyone… Things have gotten PRETTY HEATED around here, and because I am a lover, and not a fighter, I want to help everyone take it down a notch…to bridge gaps as it were. We’ve all been giving ‘Charlotte’ a pretty hard time (although I think she’s looking for a hard time mostly from Glenn), but I think the problem lies in a lack of communication, or to put it more correctly, miscommunication. As Rollo has pointed out in his books and posts, women and men communicate differently, men doing it overtly, and women covertly, so I think the issue… Read more »

stuttie
10 years ago

hat tip to you Seraph…that was beautiful

…there’s way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it, though. Your brain does the translating. I don’t even see the code. All I see is troll, moby, mewling quim.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

Guys, including Glenn and Sun. I need your help I’m having a crisis of confidence this week. I just had the most enjoyable, most powerful week of my life. I feel like I am the most powerful I have ever been (that definition being in control of my destiny, my situations). I’ve had multiple social get-togethers this week and each has been sterling in my giving and receiving from the social interactions. Red pill awareness and game implementation are now natural in my interactions. I’ve never had it bad in my life, but I have worked my ass off and… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  sjfrellc

@Scott “Valance and priming are from the psychological literature that helps us understand for example, why you still feel scared for a while after something scary happens–even if you can rationalize that the danger is over.” Just thinking about this as I was rising home to sleep. This runs deep in my nigthmares http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HOjj0mUP5SA Religious mom serious youth trauma. Than relying on media to expose myself in some relation https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=azvFl1xXE3QC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=childhood+trauma.bruce+perry&ots=7x6Kt2DXMu&sig=24mxVcRoyB8sOgENpM5E5uqpgPc#v=onepage&q&f=false As well as working on coping I did what I did to make sense out of adult oriented emotions what I now know is called game. https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=aWB1FMMvMXYC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=childhood+trauma.bruce+perry&ots=Pr-LJy7Cu-&sig=uVq-g0KwlURCsZStwi-yvHvtOlk#v=onepage&q=childhood%20trauma.bruce%20perry&f=false I didn’t have… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“Hopefully I’m not rising to my level of incompetence.”

And if you don’t, you’ll never have to worry about living up to your potential, because you’ll never find out what it is. The problem isn’t rising to your level of incompetence. The problem is not being able to recognize it when you see it.

“I know the best thing to do is take a nap and let the feeling pass. ”

Sounds like a plan to me.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  kfg

I’m appreciative of everyone’s input here, but I’m very close to closing a thread on TRM for the first time. Why? Because the trolling isn’t the same uninformed nonsense, it’s concerted. Every single new commenter has come with the same narrative: “TRP is singularly about anger, complaint and misery without any real solution. This is what the Retromasculinity faction wants to paint TRP with. it’s the same tactics SJWs use against their opponents. Blanket over an issue with a common misperception they create. It’s no coincidence we have these common theme trolls here now. I know because I was included… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

Changing the subject. I would implore you great group of guys to go out and read “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” by Robert Pirsig. It is a metaphysical treatise on what Quality in life means to a male.The author literally out thought thousands of years of philosophy to arrive at a new paradigm where life has a driving force. As driven as a motorcycle pursuit is for a male. I’ve not had the experience of a bike between my legs for the past 40 years but I know the feeling. It can be sublime. If you start reading… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

“Be well good sir be well And Goodnight may you rest in the arms of your wife.” Give me a week. She’s on the rag now. Frame does not equal power. Got to let the bitchiness pass till the proliferative phase takes over. Ovulation is Your Friend is possibly the best advice Rollo ever gave. And sadly I wish someone would have told me that X number of years ago as my wife’s ovaries reach senescence. She’s still ovulating and it is a magical thing. Having your partner not be on the pill is a key, non-dulling the “menstruation is… Read more »

Crossphased
Crossphased
10 years ago

Rollo, I appreciate what you’ve done here. In one sense i don’t like it that the evo psych model so accurately predicts behavior, but I really like the fact that I’m not completely blundering around in a blue pill coma wondering why nothing works the way I’ve been told it should. Another thing that TRM helps me with is that as a married guy, the PUA community can only help me so much (as far as I can tell, i only found the red pill community about 4 months ago). It seems like learning the deeper reasons why women do… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

Perceptive Rollo. Adapt as necessary. Thank You for your help. It is much appreciated.

I don’t envision damage to your franchise by the fallout. Only idiots would not understand that you are self-less in your information/wisdom to help us.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

“In addition to Rollo’s books and the 48 laws of power, I’ve been reading a book called emotional intelligence 2.0. I’ve always been somewhat socially awkward and take things to literally, so some humor goes right over my head, but this emotional intelligence book seems good for some of that. In the introduction to the 48 laws of power Robert Greene talks about mastery of your emotions being important for using the laws of power. Have any of you read this book, or have any thoughts about it? If any of you know of a better way to handle this… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

kfg
May 29th, 2015 at 10:50 pm

As a young man, that scene is what informed me that I was not alone, that there was, or at least had been, another who got it.

Me too. I saw it in ’62. On the big screen. My favorite scene in the whole movie. The secret is not minding.

Seraph
May 29th, 2015 at 11:52 pm

LULZ ^1,000. When is a woman not lying?

I’m thinking. I’m thinking!

M Simon
10 years ago

Seraph
May 29th, 2015 at 11:52 pm

I got to say it again. That was absolutely CLASSIC.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Rollo I’m not so certain it’s as big or as coordinated as you’re saying. A couple posts of this shit does not a conspiracy make. Currently the social climate on the internet at large and within the ‘spere is rather tumultuous what with feminist elements spending the last year overplaying their hand and Roosh’s big shift. There’s a lot going on leaving me open to the possibility that the increased trolling is just coincidence. Trolls gonna troll. However, I also don’t have some of the visibility in to the situation that you do, and I suspect I know why you’re… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Rollo Tomassi
May 30th, 2015 at 1:50 am

I wouldn’t give in to it. And how they paint has nothing to do with the actual picture.

OTOH. If its time – it is time. You will know when.

But consider this. If they are sending their legions – they fear. And if what they send is the best they have got? Well I’m not impressed.

M Simon
10 years ago

sjfrellc
May 30th, 2015 at 1:29 am

Changing the subject. I would implore you great group of guys to go out and read “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” by Robert Pirsig.

Always do everything the best you can.

“The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.” — John W. Gardner, Saturday Evening Post, December 1, 1962

Hobbes
Hobbes
10 years ago

Rollo, while I am sure you will come to the best decision for your blog, just wanted to offer my two cents. The best approach to this infiltration is to use the opportunity to respond rationally, and to use their accusations as a springboard to further TRP message. A good example is Vulpines response to zdroids mother instinct stuff- it was cogent, educational very rational and well reasoned. I learned a lot form his response and a few others. This is probably the best response. When guys write back to women and trolls here with heated insults and invective, I… Read more »

lh
lh
10 years ago

I can’t say much about coordinated trolling and stuff. But vs. trolls ignoring is usually best. Charlotte and Insanity imho just show typical female behavior, reminding me of my mother. They are intrigued by all these big angry men here, and so many at one place! The male empowerment happening here makes them anxious, which is even more intriguing. But it also triggers instincts to tame these men and their dangerous ideas. They want to put a foot of the FI in to get some control, to relieve their anxiousness. So they fake or even actually give empathy where they… Read more »

Driver
Driver
10 years ago

Charlotte Allen’s commenting on this site is another example of women who need to “invade spaces for men only”. It started with locker rooms, then it continued through private country clubs, etc, etc, etc.. The question of debate isn’t the problem (not afraid of a little debate). It’s the very fact that we have to have the debate in our space (for men) because the echo chamber sites (for women) always kick out any man with an opposing view. Also, her remarks are nothing more than the FI working it’s way (as usual) to shame men with an attitude that… Read more »

Driver
Driver
10 years ago

@Seraph

By the way, nice work on the translation.

Driver
Driver
10 years ago

@ Rollo

“This is what the Retromasculinity faction wants to paint TRP with. it’s the same tactics SJWs use against their opponents. Blanket over an issue with a common misperception they create.”

They have to create it. It has to be something that is an “easy to swallow pill or capsule” for the lazy, ignorant herd to regurgitate.

The message (or attack) has to be in a bumper sticker form (for the bumper stickers and twitter).

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

@Sun Wukong
May 30th, 2015 at 3:09 am

Thanks man, I appreciate your words. Exactly why I put feelers out in order to hear those words. I’d be your self-less wingman if I had the chance.

@M Simon
May 30th, 2015 at 3:18 am

Somehow, when I was a young adult, a mentor and I agreed that “now is not the time to be complacent” and I used to say to myself “everything matters”. Those credos have worked for me.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

@Crossphased May 30th, 2015 at 2:09 am I don’t recall my previous advice to you, but no matter how much grief Athol Kay can get in a pure red pill environment, his Mindful Attraction Plan really served as my framework over 18 months of improving myself. What is a is really important is minimizing your weaknesses and maximizing your strengths. And doing the same with your spouse’s. The green light, yellow light and red light metaphor in the Mindful Attraction Plan really is good. Roissy’s ninth commandment of Poon really helped me in my flow of behavior with married man… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Charlotte and Insanity – I know exactly how I sound – why would I not? I’m directing my anger at an appropriate target – cunts who come in here insulting and denigrating men. All well and good with me. Also, I looked in the mirror and I didn’t see a cunt. Hyperbole isn’t an argument or discussion. Your retorts to me are strikingly similar those of 7th grade girls. @Sun – Not renting space in my head. I don’t think about this when I don’t look at the site. And unlike them, and many men in the manosphere, this is… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

-Edit – when I talk about the increase in employment in “soft” fields dominated by women, the time period was from 2001 to today. 20 million to over 30 million – gee, did the rest of our labor force increase by 50% during that time period? And remember, Charlotte, Dubya and the Republicans did their part with gusto.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Hobbes The best approach to this infiltration is to use the opportunity to respond rationally, and to use their accusations as a springboard to further TRP message. While I agree, there is no clean way of laying with pigs. The nature of who & what you’re engaging should be considered. The best case scenario is to simply make it clear which person came in here and shit all over everything. In that case, you might have pinned the blame correctly, but still got crap everywhere. While women are perfectly capable of logic and reason, their social position makes them far… Read more »

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when she saw that kind of rage from a man, and some men too. Sometimes it works online – I certainly rattled GWADT. I also think I got to Minter and his trained monkey with it to some degree.” Well congratulations, you have now taken a dump on 3 happily married women who agree with the bulk of what Tomassi has to say. Feel better about yourself, yet? “I want to make them feel… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Seraph – Nice decoding. You nicely identify the complete irrationality of her central position. @Siffrellc – I can relate a bit. When I was 40 I was kind of on top of the world and had a sense of what you are saying. My approach in general? Pragmatic optimism. Have a plan for the downside so if the worst happens, you are not flattened. Illness. financial setbacks, a wife who turns on you – whatever. As for the thoughts, I also think that we can all benefit by developing mental resilience. In your case, it’s these negative, semi-irrational fears that… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn
May 30th, 2015 at 9:31 am

I have been using Progs as shorthand for Prog-Marxists. But you do have a point. Education. This society still needs more of it. Not enough know. I’m going to spell it out from now on. Thanks.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@insanitybytes22

Well congratulations, you have now taken a dump on 3 happily married women who agree with the bulk of what Tomassi has to say. Feel better about yourself, yet?

Considering commenting here is voluntary, it sounds like 3 happily married women that are into being dumped on. Don’t worry, I won’t judge you any worse for it (but not for the reason you think).

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn
May 30th, 2015 at 9:31 am

What is ironic about setting the world ablaze is that the cons and fems have empowered a 7th century sect that doesn’t just disempower women. It enslaves them. And if they don’t want that (maybe they secretly do – maybe the FI and Prog-Marxism is just the biggest shit test ever invented) they are going to have to depend on men to protect their interests.

Interesting times.

Driver
Driver
10 years ago

@ Jeremy

“Considering commenting here is voluntary, it sounds like 3 happily married women that are into being dumped on.”

Agree. While at times I could appreciate another perspective (from a woman) the victim claim does not go well (not here).

You can’t enter the locker room without seeing a couple of dicks…that’s just how it is (and you can’t complain about it). You’re in the men’s locker room…remember it well.

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

“…it sounds like 3 happily married women that are into being dumped on…”

Most likely, if they didn’t want to get dumped on they bring something of value. Criticism is free everywhere and then usually overpriced.

But I do think they serve a purpose, serving as voluntary targets.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

And yet when I said, “men are scary,” several of you completely freaked out. Tomassi should probably change his blog name to the irrational male, because you cannot have it both ways at the same time. If you fear anger, then you truly do have an irrational fear of someone else’s emotion. I actually couldn’t have made my case any clearer, thanks for commenting. Anger does not include any form of action, violent or otherwise. So if you fear male anger, you fear that which cannot possibly harm you. In short, you just demonstrated that you hold an entirely irrational… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

And the men are going to have to want to fight. And for that pussy must be supplied. The “other side” gets that and has a huge drive going on to recruit females. And of the 600 or so known cases only 2 have come back from their enslavement. That is a very good record.

Note that they do not guard the men that join them with anywhere near that effort.

Interesting times.

Driver
Driver
10 years ago

Re: my last comment (men’s locker rooms) I have to say that is what really pisses me off about women. At first, they just want in (to be included). After awhile, getting in is not enough for them. They want to be included in making the rules, moving shit around, complaining, etc… It’s happened in every space that men have had over the years. Women get in and they turn it into a god damn spa (no longer a men’s locker room). Years later, they have the nerve to open up their own places and label them “for women only”… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Rugby – When I was 18, my sister called me to tell me she was having an abortion. I hitchhiked 350+ miles from Buffalo, NY to Brattleboro, VT in early February in 20 degree weather to be with her. With 22 dollars to my name. My mom died in childbirth because she would not have an abortion. Our family doctor, a traditional, experienced family practitioner told her she would die if she had the baby. My mom was 39 and already had health problems. As a good, real Christian, Catholic woman, she pondered this and actually discussed it with the… Read more »

Charlotte Allen
10 years ago
Reply to  Glenn

@Glenn

I knew you were a Catholic! Why don’t you talk to a priest? Seriously–the doors of the Church are always open.

Here is a saint–St. Gianna Beretta Molla–who died in childbirth in 1962 after refusing to have an abortion or a hysterectomy that could have saved her life. I’m sure that she and your mother are good friends in heaven:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianna_Beretta_Molla

I will pray for your sister.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
10 years ago

Wow. Thank you Seraph, Glenn and Jeremy for your insights.

Glenn, I’m just finishing my tea and a cigar on the sunny patio. My resilient adaptable self will be over it in a week. After I get through my menstrual period.

One gift I have given myself (developed in myself) is an infinite capacity to rationalize and accept who I am and where I’m going. I owe you for your empathetic thoughts. I’m glad I put myself out there last night. Thanks a million. Best wishes to you.

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@Insanity – But of course, you have to ignore the 99% of my commentary on this site that isn’t “scary” to hold the infantile view you cling to. Have at it, just don’t expect to be taken seriously. Nor should you expect that you have the standing to make criticism of how the men here are or aren’t stick. Tell me though, will you acknowledge that you made vicious, denigrating comments here about men before I said a word to you? Just checking if you are grounded in reality at all because the facts are plain to see on this… Read more »

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“So if you fear male anger, you fear that which cannot possibly harm you. In short, you just demonstrated that you hold an entirely irrational fear of men.” Not at all. What you seem to fail to understand is that male anger can and has harmed many people, including women. Is that not the entire point of all your bluster and bravado, to intimidate and manipulate a fear based response? “While at times I could appreciate another perspective (from a woman) the victim claim does not go well (not here).” I’m actually not a victim of anything. I’m rather blessed… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

This is so important it bears repeating. Do not gine it the TL;DR treatment. All the indicators point to September 2015 as the next phase of the great crash. And not just indicators. I have had some relatively smart socon fems point it out to me in just the last week. That gives you an indication of how widespread the knowledge of what is coming is. Glenn May 30th, 2015 at 9:31 am The FI has run rampant, but as M. Simon keeps pointing out, reality is a bitch. The material world has limits. Reversion to the mean is guaranteed.… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@M. Simon – Indeed, we have a very similar analysis of the politics of all this. It really is remarkable how well the left has hidden it’s victory. I’ll share two comments I heard at a party last weekend from rabid Prog-Marxist crunchy types up here. 1. From an eco lawyer, 250 lb landwhale who I took to her prom, who works on M&A, not saving the planet, lol. She went to Cornell and some good law school, so she’s one of the “anointed” as Thomas Sowell put it so well. “You see, the problem with the right is that… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@insanitybytes22 Not at all. What you seem to fail to understand is that male anger can and has harmed many people, including women. Is that not the entire point of all your bluster and bravado, to intimidate and manipulate a fear based response? Dear god, you are insane. I’m not sure there’s any part of that response that is grounded in reality. Let’s break it down: male anger can and has harmed many people, including women. How did this happen? With energy-beams shooting out from male brains that harmed people? Anger is an emotion just like any other, it is… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

Re: nuking the Republicans

If it guaranteed the death of the party of Nixon I say go for it.

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn May 30th, 2015 at 10:01 am The Bene Gesserit have something to teach on that score. LITANY AGAINST FEAR I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Badpainter
May 30th, 2015 at 10:53 am

But it is also the party of Rand Paul. Get a more selective weapon.

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

@M Simon Well spoken. Keep in mind fuel too. Most areas of the USA operate on less than 72 hours worth of gasoline supply, and less than 24 hours worth of diesel. This is why a single refinery going down can raise the cost of gasoline at the pump in a short time. (among many, many other reasons) How quickly do you think your local WalMart would run out of food if they could not get diesel, or diesel was $50, or $100 a gallon? 30 minutes? 15 minutes? The entire world is built on the back of cheap diesel.… Read more »

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“How did this happen? With energy-beams shooting out from male brains that harmed people? Anger is an emotion just like any other, it is not violence, it is not action. Therefore, male anger cannot harm you.” Are you really that thick in the head? Do you not realize that emotions and feelings often lead to actions? What is the purpose of all the anger and hostility directed towards the last 3 married women who commented here? Was that not designed to chase us away, to intimidate us into fleeing, to create a fear based response so you can wall yourselves… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

target1 – “Do you not realize that emotions and feelings often lead to actions?”

Like a woman you fail to analyze properly.

The correct model is emotion>THOUGHT>action.

I know thinking is foreign to you and you have only the very slightest of understanding the idea. That’s OK we don’t really expect you to get it.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@insanitybytes22 Are you really that thick in the head? Do you not realize that emotions and feelings often lead to actions? Oh, there we are, the key-phrase… “Often lead to action”. So even you admit that anger is not action. Since anger is not action, say it with me now, it will be painful for you, but please try… You have no reason to fear of male anger. But you apparently do fear male anger. That is an irrational fear. That means you are insane as your handle states, which means that just about everyone here should ignore everything you… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
10 years ago

@ M. Simon – Let me be clear. I cannot call the timing of this. Remember, the policymakers and politicians still have many tricks up their sleeves. Just look at how the Republicans can easily ally with Obama’s big govt ideas when they think the politics of it suit them. Things they can and will do, and have already discussed publicly: 1. Nationalize all private retirement savings – 401k, Keough, pensions. This will be done in the name of “fairness” but if the markets haven’t cracked yet, it will seem a like a plausible “crisis” solution. 2. Global Wealth Tax… Read more »

Longgone
Longgone
10 years ago

“Ever the eager beaver (or was it ever eager for beaver?), I am taking it upon myself to do a public service and help translate Charlotte’s womanly dialect into a language we can all understand with our manly ears…”

“YES, you may have had something INFINITELY SAD happen to you, but it’s about time you got over it, right? I mean, are you going to be mad forever about that INFINITELY SAD thing that happened?

Infinity doesn’t last FOREVER, okay?

I’m so over it…what aren’t you?”

Seraph,

One of the best!……………Awesome.

M Simon
10 years ago

I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yardstick of convention.

http://deoxy.org/annex/Eight_Lectures_on_Yoga.pdf

lh
lh
10 years ago

M Simon, Glenn: “The world money system HAS to crash because there is no way the debts can be paid.” That has been the case for ca. 4000 years now. It’s always like that in a monetary system. It works though, because someone will make more debt in the future and the system can pay off old debts from that. It’s how capitalism works. One could say a big fraud. Interestingly that debt system can be traced back as long as that famed patriarchy. The important point to understand with both is: There never was a happy old age, when… Read more »

Mr T
Mr T
10 years ago

ANGER
deep inside , women claim to hate angry men , the truth is women hate themselves because their pussies LOVES angry men .

sex after a heated fight (with an angry man)is the best aphrodisiac .

there is that unspeakable wetness that flows .

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“Oh, there we are, the key-phrase… “Often lead to action”. So even you admit that anger is not action. Since anger is not action, say it with me now, it will be painful for you, but please try…You have no reason to fear of male anger.” And yet many of you are very upset that women do not fear male anger! You simply cannot have it both ways. Look at what Glenn said, “I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

Glenn May 30th, 2015 at 11:13 am I’m going to repeat back something to you that you said. With my emph. Last. @M. Simon – I’m not as concerned with the Muslims as you. In fact, if we stopped provoking them they would not be harassing us. And if you bring up Barbary Pirates as a response to that, all I can say is please stop. You are right – they have a 7th century society and values. But they also have a history and tradition of war and empire and conquest which the west has lost its appetite for.… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@insanitybytes22 And yet many of you are very upset that women do not fear male anger! “…” “I want to make them feel the white hot rage a man is capable of. It used to be a woman might actually shut her mouth when she saw that kind of rage from a man, and some men too. Sometimes it works online – I certainly rattled GWADT.” So Glenn clearly wants to make women “feel” his white hot rage, force women to shut their mouths, and to rattle a rather nice girl’s cage. Let’s recap: You consider men to be scary.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

” . . . happily married women . . .”

Your warding spell has failed to work, even though you’ve repeated it three times. Your magic is weak and has no power here, old crone.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  kfg

I talk to a happily married woman every day. She doesn’t read like this.

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“I talk to a happily married woman every day. She doesn’t read like this”

I suspect you do talk, Tomassi. What I doubt you do is to actually listen.

M Simon
10 years ago

lh May 30th, 2015 at 11:27 am Well maybe. But how did we get into the current mess? Instead of hard money – money backed by resources – we have fiat money. Well OK. If money production is kept within bounds that is not too terrible. But what we have is bank created money – unbacked by resources and the banks charge interest on the money they have created. Also not too bad. Until they start creating debt faster than production can pay off the interest – let alone the collateral. Now all this might continue on for a good… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

“You seem to have an irrational need to feel fear of male anger . . .”

The foundation of Patriarchy Theory. She’s pretty radfem for someone who claims so much agreement with Rollo. If we redact the warding spells from her speech just about everything that’s left is feminist boilerplate, including the attack spells.

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

target 1 – “What I doubt you do is to actually listen.”

Is that best you can do?

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

@Rollo “I’m appreciative of everyone’s input here, but I’m very close to closing a thread on TRM for the first time. Why? Because the trolling isn’t the same uninformed nonsense, it’s concerted. Every single new commenter has come with the same narrative: “TRP is singularly about anger, complaint and misery without any real solution. This is what the Retromasculinity faction wants to paint TRP with. it’s the same tactics SJWs use against their opponents. Blanket over an issue with a common misperception they create.” ….Closing a thread on TRM for the first time. – One of the greatest things about… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

….Closing a thread on TRM for the first time. – This is what they want.

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

@Rollo:

Note that she didn’t say anything about having a happily married husband, although I’m sure he answers “Yes, dear,” when she asks with her command tone.

Of course she fears male anger. Anger leads to power.

Mr T
Mr T
10 years ago

@M Simon “As you point out – our being is a provocation. Leaving them alone will not matter. And your point about leaving them alone is a trap an awful LOT of libertarians fall into.” leaving them alone ! leaving their OIL alone . it is never religions , it is how we are gonna get the free oil from the dumb Airabs. the saudis are now planning for the time when oil would runs out .Top saudi strategists are planning on how to protect CAMELS when the world becomes desert . ps feminists would come handy to help tell… Read more »

lh
lh
10 years ago

M Simon: We didn’t really get into that mess recently. The mess is old ad always revolving. In any crisis it needs a new “solution” to keep going which in turn will help create the next crisis and so on. It’s the driving force for economical and technological development. There is no “always and for every circumstance right” solution, there are only solutions to steer in the right direction in the current crisis. the 2008 crisis came from to much private (banks, corporations & consumers) debt and it was a big crisis. The way to counter was to help them… Read more »

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“Note that she didn’t say anything about having a happily married husband, although I’m sure he answers “Yes, dear,” when she asks with her command tone. Of course she fears male anger. Anger leads to power.”

Near as I can tell, he looks rather happy. And no, I do not “command tone” him, not ever, nor do I fear his power. In fact, it’s quite delightful.

Don’t shut your thread down, Tomassi. If my comments really bother you, (“you,” not your idiotic commentators), I’ll post elsewhere. I have no desire to upset you.

Longgone
Longgone
10 years ago

“….Closing a thread on TRM for the first time. – This is what they want.” Roger that. Besides, chasing them off even only temporarily, is as informative and entertaining as anything else. (Thanks again Seraph!) MSimon, Glenn, I’ve been reading (and living through) a lot of what you suggest about the unraveling of the economic system. Many here are barely holding onto the shell of a middle-class existence that is eroding quickly, yet most have a normalcy-bias against discussing what to do in response.Discussing sports, etc. instead. I guess the main question I have is about the timing. Why September… Read more »

Longgone
Longgone
10 years ago

“I’ll post elsewhere. I have no desire to upset you.”

Ya right. If only…..

M Simon
10 years ago

Longgone May 30th, 2015 at 12:25 pm Why September 2015? It has nothing to do with fundamentals. It has to do with signals. The US market is currently in decline. Not all indicators have turned south. Many have. The rest of the world has already gone south. I expect confidence to be lost (lh are you listening?) Around Sept of 2015. A LOT of prognosticators are also predicting that. Mostly ignored. Everything is fine – so far. Mr T May 30th, 2015 at 12:07 pm The world is awash in oil and will be for the next 20 to 50… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

@insanitybytes22 “I suspect you do talk, Tomassi. What I doubt you do is to actually listen.” Insanity – You should have known from the beginning that Tomassi will never parrot the script you prefer. When will you give it up? Over and over and over and over and over and over you attempt to impose your ideas here with no success. This is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and over, but expecting different results. The name you chose for yourself here is very appropriate. Give it up, you are wasting your energy, your quest… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

@ M. Simon

All bets are off if the clowns in DC stumble into in big war over something stupid like a war in the South China Sea. I’d even guess some those same clowns see such an event as way to delay the economic chickens coming home to roost.

lh
lh
10 years ago

I listen. September 2015 is elections in Spain, where currently a (economically) left movement like in Greece is strengthening. It may be a turning point in the Euro-Crisis, which still plays a big part in holding the world economy down. But while there may be some way down for the markets, I actually think the stupid German government (run by a women, no wonder) will give in and help facilitate a working solution for Europe and then the world economy could actually grow for a while. I don’t know, prognosis is difficult, especially when about the future…

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“Give it up, you are wasting your energy, your quest is hopeless here because the truth is known here. Tomassi and all who know the same as he will never accept your ideals and parrot the script you so compulsively wish they will.”

Since you have no idea what my quest is, what my ideals are, and I haven’t presented you with any script, you are obviously projecting and FOS.

M Simon
10 years ago

lh May 30th, 2015 at 12:12 pm Crony capitalism is a show run by government. Truer capitalism is a show run by individuals – “I want to try something”. If you are not aware of “Narco Dollars For Dummies” by Catherine Austin Fitts you ought to look it up. It explains how the cronies get greased. And the cronies these days are the banks. We are starting to get tools that can bypass crony capitalism. That will accelerate. I agree that capitalism (the desire for profit) will find a way. It will not be a government solution. The government is… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
Shiva H. P.
10 years ago

” “I talk to a happily married woman every day. She doesn’t read like this” I suspect you do talk, Tomassi. What I doubt you do is to actually listen. ” Well Rollo himself did not say that, you just assumed it and are advertising it here. “Don’t shut your thread down, Tomassi. If my comments really bother you, (“you,” not your idiotic commentators), I’ll post elsewhere. I have no desire to upset you” Woah, what an offer of sacrifice!! From a female!! Look at her she is a textbook definition of a female. 1. Because Rollo(perceptibly) is high MMV… Read more »

M Simon
10 years ago

lh,

In my opinion, your opinion “they will find a way” is a guarantee of a crash. There is quite a bit of misplaced faith. With the decline of signals that will be erased. “Dang – they DIDN’T find a way.” Sell.

Shiva H. P.
Shiva H. P.
10 years ago

“I knew you were a Catholic! Why don’t you talk to a priest? Seriously–the doors of the Church are always open.” And what would the church do? All churches are under thumb of govt. or IYyarEs and the EYPHBeeeeeAyeeee are sent like warhounds against them. Tax the to death or send in the agent provocateurs. Churches are dens of vices of govt. propaganda and Feminine Imperative. All that the priest would do is hamsterbate and try to make Glenn feel something is wrong with him rather than something is wrong with the society itself. And you would definitely like a… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
10 years ago

The Catholics can’t protect the virtue of their alter boys, why should we presume they can save our souls?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Glenn

Stock market, bonds, real estate and now the final one, the govt debt bubble (really just a subset of bonds)

I would include a massive bubble in education in there. Just take a look at the skyrocketing levels of student debt and the insane increase in the price of college vs. wage growth over the past 20 years. There’s no sane universe in which that level of debt is a good investment, yet we just keep piling it on kids that don’t know any better.

It really is criminal, in my opinion.

Shiva H. P.
Shiva H. P.
10 years ago

” lh, In my opinion, your opinion “they will find a way” is a guarantee of a crash. There is quite a bit of misplaced faith. With the decline of signals that will be erased. “Dang – they DIDN’T find a way.” Sell. ” Just adding my 2 bit to this. A successful society runs on Value creation.Value creation leads to higher standard of living not value extraction. Somebody has to create products or services of Value for others to consume. The tertiary industry like banking , law and Govt. (all useless) try to be the useless middle man extracting(thieving)… Read more »

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