Pre-Whipped

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The eminent Dr. J had a very insightful comment in The Brand of Independence. I’ll leave it to readers to read through the whole comment, but it was in reply to one of our resident feminist’s assertion that it “takes a village” to raise a child:

[…] I don’t view children as personal property that individuals (their parent-owners) have a “right” to do with whatever they see fit. A lot of the reason for opposition to discipline in schools is because parents believe that they can do whatever they want with their children, and that the education system should respect that.[…]

There is a strong contingent in the manosphere, and particularly MRAs, who’s primary goal is making society more aware of the inequitable redistribution of resources with regards to how the exchange unfairly affects men with respect to their parental investment and the influence they are allowed in participating in the lives of their (intended or unintended) children. Allegations of, and comparisons of feminism to Marxism or socialism are almost cliché amongst this set, and probably with good reason, however the constant repetition of such makes for an easy dismissal of the comparisons.

As most readers know, as a policy, I don’t delve into religion or politics on Rational Male unless an observable, gender related dynamic can be better explained in a religious or political context. I’ll probably be disappointing the feminism-is-socialism crowd (there’s no shortage of bloggers who’ll be happy to educate on this), but I must admit to a larger social dynamic I hadn’t considered before this comment exchange.

The Pre-Whipping

In finishing last week’s essay I wrote this:

The majority of men are varying degrees of Betas, pre-whipped by the feminine imperative for half a lifetime to eventually be the de facto cuckold for women’s sexual priorities at just the right time.

There are a few considerations we take as given in the manosphere. One of these has been the presumption that 80% of men, either by birth or by conditioning, are Beta. I actually think 80% is probably a bit conservative.

A lot of red pill mental effort revolves around defining just what makes a man Alpha, but when it comes to what makes a man Beta we tend to just accept that chump is a chump and we don’t want to be one. That’s really the whole point of unplugging; becoming aware of, and rejecting the influence the Feminine Imperative has had with regards to the direction of our lives. And that’s another basic of becoming Game-aware, we acknowledge a feminine-primary conditioning has had an undue influence not just on societal expectations of men, but literally how we think, and how we prioritize our thoughts, wants and goals to better accommodate a latent feminine purpose.

Since I began writing about Game-awareness and positive masculinity one of the most frequent frustration I have related to me is from a red pill reader with a friend who just wont be unplugged. They may know someone or be involved in a social set where just expressing observations of anything that might be interpreted as counter to this conditioning would risk their wrath. They see the behaviors, they hear the common and predictable reasonings their plugged in friends use within their unrealized feminine-primary context, and for all if it, it only confirms the extent of his own conditioning.

These are the men I call pre-whipped; men so thoroughly conditioned, men who’ve so internalized that conditioning, that they mentally prepare themselves for total surrender to the Feminine Imperative, that they already make the perfect Beta provider before they even meet the woman to whom they’ll make their sacrifice.

But why should there be a need for this conditioning? It hasn’t always been this way; only really within the past 60 or so years since the rise of feminism, the sexual revolution and the predominance of a feminine-primary social influence (fem-centrism, gynocentrism, et. al.)

It Takes a Village to Optimize Hypergamy

I hadn’t considered that in its efforts to eliminate masculine influence, fem-centrism would also seek to end men’s biological predispositions and personal reasons for parental investment with regard to raising and providing for his own genetic offspring. This is evidenced in the feminist belief that men would view their offspring as their ‘property’. Eliminate this male-owned preconception and replace it with the globalized “it takes a village to raise a child” model of parental investment, and not only is the masculine disenfranchised from the entire process, but it allows for an optimized condition of unfettered feminine hypergamy.

Since the latent purpose of feminism is optimizing hypergamy, it would stand to reason that promoting, reinforcing and affirming social and personal acceptance of essentially cuckolding a male provider into caring for her hypergamous breeding efforts (either proactively or retroactively) with better breeding (not necessarily provisioning) stock would need to be socialized into the majority of Beta men. Whether they sired them or not, the resulting children would be provided for, and the masses of conditioned Betas would be proud of themselves to do so thanks to a system of social rewards and positive affirmation. Those children would never be his property, irrespective of who’s genes they carried but rather they are wards of a system entirely devoted to the Feminine Imperative and hypergamous optimization.

Obviously failing in this, feminism needed social welfare programs to fill that provisioning gap, but it’s interesting to consider the feminine socialization efforts to make men more feminine-identifying from an early age so as to better prepare them to accept that cuckoldry and support role for women’s pluralistic sexual strategy (alpha fucks / beta bucks) when they reach adulthood.

Initially this feminine conditioning might be couched in an effort to raise boys to be more considerate of the female experience, but either by design or by nature the conditioning effort was more successful than just simple consideration. Complete internalization of that feminine identification seeped into every facet of what had formerly been the male experience.

A lot of blue pill adherents believe that red pill Game-aware men, of whatever manosphere stripe despise Beta man. Let me be clear here, although I can’t really speak for anyone else, I don’t despise the Beta. I don’t really believe any unplugged guy does, but that want to release a Beta from this system is often perceived as Beta-hate (for lack of a better term) by guys still trapped in the Matrix. That’s part of the feminine conditioning; to despise any Man attempting to make him aware of his conditioning.

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Dan Meister
Dan Meister
8 years ago

ROLLO!!!! I think your a legend! I read all your stuff! Help me get laid more! Im 27 Married working in family business studying a Batchelors Degree. I hit the gym 7 days a week n dress swarve to demonstrate Higher Value an I aint a pussy! Problem I got is familiarity has set in as it’s my 3rd year with my wife n her sexual interest is zero! I try not to overtly communicate desire for a reciprical desire but it pisses me off knowing what I now know about why she ain’t putting out! I take her restaurants… Read more »

infowarrior1
8 years ago

Men you will soon tire of her. Now if you have pleased your evil patriarch LT then some of us may take you seriously.

livingtree2013
8 years ago

Oops missed finishing a line in my bullet points:

– Porn, prostitution, etc. might possibly become unnecessary, eventually, because there would be very little incentive for the remaining men to bother. They would all have plentiful opportunities for sex. However, I doubt that. And if it manifested like I envisioned, women would probably not have reason to care, so long as they got their “needs” met and there weren’t any diseases being introduced into the stock from the breeding males engaging with public sex workers.

That’s just a theory though, I’m not really confident about this last point.

Badpainter
Badpainter
8 years ago

LT, Unless the number of men left without breeding rights is very very low, AND society agrees these men having no stake are exempt from collective provisioning responsibilities, then there is every reason for them to expect them to rebel and take what can’t be negotiated. What your have argued for is a softer form of eugenics. And still you provide no incentive for me to participate in this model society. I guess the best option for the individual’s left out is piracy, pillage ,and rape as society only needs suicide from the undesirable. Over the course of several posts… Read more »

livingtree2013
8 years ago
Reply to  Badpainter

Well, Badpainter, I suppose that is a considerably more one-sided and incredibly negative-sounding version of “survival of the fittest”, and if so, then yes, that is what I believe. I don’t think that, as a society, that we in any way benefit from protecting people from their own weakness and stupidity. There are far too many weak and stupid people around! Are you denying this? Eugenics? I’m not about to kill anyone off, but I surely wouldn’t be enacting any laws requiring warning labels on electrical appliances telling people not to use them in the bath. Just sayin’… I advocate… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
8 years ago

LT,

Survival of the fittest is fine unless you rig the game.

Unrestricted sexual strategies, male or female, are going to result in, dystopic, oppressive, and corrupt societies.

livingtree2013
8 years ago

Badpainter, the game has been rigged for millenniums, since the invention of civil law.

D-Man
D-Man
8 years ago

relevant: http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

The whole piece is good, but scroll down to the header “The Most Underappreciated Fact”.

Yep, today’s population is descended from twice as many women as men.

Another reason for “existential insecurity”.

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
8 years ago

“in earlier times, you would probably have been the eunuchs that guarded the sultan’s harem. “ OO-oo-oh, see that girl, watch that scene, diggin’ the Logic Queen … ding ding da ding .. I’m creepily much like my patrilineal ancestors, even down to the peculiar hair, if the absurd be-ruffed portrait age 60, and the odd sketch of others are any guide. (Oddly enough, even the American branches share the slight physical peculiarities, I can pick them out as “one of our guys” in photos despite centuries of divergence. And we’ve really got a thang for beards too, it appears.… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
8 years ago

LT,

The game is only rigged when no one can escape it.

And this particular game with you bores me as you still haven’t answered my original question. What are my incentives to lawfully and ethically participate?

D-Man
D-Man
8 years ago

not as relevant, but an amusing dose of the red pill:

http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2013/12/17/experts-discover-whether-it%E2%80%99s-better-be-right-or-be-happy

Researchers do a study where they ask a guy to agree with his wife’s every opinion (without her knowledge). Study has to be stopped because she becomes overly critical of him.

Badpainter
Badpainter
8 years ago

Rollo,

I find the tiniest piece of Redpill stuck between tonsils that is hardest to dislodge is reconciling that my mother held the whip and father did nothing stop lashing.

Cylux
Cylux
8 years ago

Perhaps the “weakening” of the species is actually a good thing, Depends on how you’re defining “weakening” really, a common cause of short-sightedness (a physical weakness) is that the greedy bastard brain is using more oxygen for itself reducing the amount that reaches the eyes. The result of this is usually a smarter brain (hence the stereotypical scientist with glasses). Also our children are born significantly weaker in comparison to other animals because big brains (I mean Bambi has to stand the fuck up quick or get eaten, mum can’t pick him up and carry him to safety), staying in… Read more »

livingtree2013
8 years ago
Reply to  Cylux

GREAT article D-Man!! A few sweeping generalizations easily disproven, but not really significant enough to undermine the essential importance. Baumeister has such a good grasp on this!! Thanks for the lead, I really didn’t want the lecture to end!

BC
BC
8 years ago

Whoa, sea-change in meat market dynamics about to hit Canada:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-20/canada-supports-life-liberty-and-pursuit-prostitution

And note that this is a Supreme Court decision, so it is final. Toronto and other Canadian cities have been notorious for bitchy entitled women and feminists (but I repeat myself), so it will be interesting to watch how the dynamics change simply by having this option out there, even if most men do not use it.

Supply and demand, baby, and women just lost their officially sanctioned monopoly. Gee, maybe they are going to have to work on their sunny personalities lol.

infowarrior1
8 years ago

Someone please put a collar on LT. I will pay you. Anyone who is willing to go 50 shades of grey on her will likewise get a bonus.

infowarrior1
8 years ago

@Cylux

Why is it that many are geniuses without shortsightedness? Surely this physical weakness is not essential for genius.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
8 years ago

I also googled Jenny Erikson.
Whoaahoooooooaaaaa Nelly!
But this graph, especially the “lacks talent”… funny as hell.

But the whole story is funny, but tragic, as well. Feel sorry for Leif. But in regards of the original topic of this thread, I wouldn’t feel contempt or despise him. But lost of frustration if for some reason we ended up discussing his situation and he couldn’t see what happened when you pointed it out to him.

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
8 years ago

okay, messed up the code for the graph. go here for the image I was talking about.
http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/trapped/

Cylux
Cylux
8 years ago

@infowarrior – True, there’s more than one way to build a human, there is also plenty of glasses wearers who are thick as pig shit. I’m talking more general trends than focusing on individuals however.

empathologism
8 years ago

I’m one of the “socialism is feminism” bloggers, I suppose. Though that is not a fair statement of my contentions, for brevity, it does scoop wide enough to grab me up with the rest. Ive no desire to debate it here or really anywhere. It is only important to me in one application anyway, that being that those who over ran places like AVFM, militant in their leftism, they were doing harm. My opinion was born out as fact later as the dust up with the bumblebee babe illustrated. No matter. I could not agree more with one thing you… Read more »

empathologism
8 years ago

I take her restaurants bowling KFC even anything 2 keep it fresh.

I nominate this comment for…..something

Cylux
Cylux
8 years ago

Why is it that many are geniuses without shortsightedness? Surely this physical weakness is not essential for genius. It also occurs to me that there is a way to mitigate for the brain stealing oxygen away from the eyes, which is to get more oxygen into the bloodstream, or have the cardiovascular system work more efficiently. I suspect those geniuses who didn’t have any vision problems may well have also been noted to be quite restless and physically active throughout their lives, rather than be somewhat sedentary, doing a natural form of cardio, so to speak. But that is admittedly… Read more »

James X
James X
8 years ago

She’s right though in one sense, we outsource parenting to others. As a teacher I understand this better than most, but I really can’t see a feasible alternative when most parents either don’t have the time, ability or will to teach their children themselves. So, in this sense, it does take a village to raise a child. You all should be very worried about the state of schools and teacher training programs. Teachers are overwhelmingly female, and there are many female teachers practicing and enforcing the notion that maculine energies and interests are against the norm, and instead that the… Read more »

Gurney Halleck
Gurney Halleck
8 years ago

Over at Susan place she mocks bad PUAs and “nice guys.” I come into the thread and argue that perhaps these guys would benefit from legalized prostitution, the prohibition of which works in women’s favor. I politely counter their points, and in the end they collectively start saying (including Susan herself) “men are not entitled to sex!!!!!” and I get banned after a nasty comment from Susan directed at me. In several instances she flat out refused to publish my comments that rebutted hers as to give herself the last word. Not sure what I expected but now that place… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
8 years ago

Coveture?

Are you actually aware of what the word means or what it entails?

You are aware that you validated the initial premise?

Does a mother ‘own’ her child?

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

If you comment on HUS, you’re an idiot, plain and simple.

Retrenched
Retrenched
8 years ago

The bright side of civilizational decline, from the Zenpriest: Social pressure and social acceptability used to be the primary means of keeping men trapped in their old roles. But, women blew this when they started with the wholesale man bashing. Men got clobbered just as bad, or worse, for being upstanding guys than they got clobbered for being cads. Given that they were going to get clobbered no matter what they did, men naturally chose to do what was the most fun… It was confusing for a while, but now several distinct strategies have emerged for men which men choose… Read more »

BlackPoisonSoul
8 years ago

I like Zenpriest, guy makes a lotta sense. Damn sight more than most MRAs and women/pussified men do. Even made several of the article-series on no-ma’am into ebooks, just in case the site is ever mysteriously trashed/censored.

Rol
Rol
8 years ago

Are you guys not exhausted with the back-and-forth with this woman? The fact that she will never see things any other way and will argue incessantly no matter how many times the flaws get pointed out.

You reach a point of diminishing returns in these discussions, it becomes redundant and simply takes up unnecessary space.

If she’s a troll (which most are by default), she’s doing a great job.

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

Re: Rol

I pretty much stopped reading comments from women completely. It’s just a waste of time.

BlackPoisonSoul
8 years ago

@Rol – you have just described every woman’s MO to a T. Her strategy is to wear down and browbeat and nag the opposition until they submit or give up from sheer exhaustion. This is why a man’s only defence is to say “no No NO”, often and loudly. If she keeps pushing it, then push her out the door – shut it firmly behind her – never let her inside again. Then once you’ve recovered somewhat from the overwhelming mass of utterly inane BS, you can decide if you want to pursue another or take a break for a… Read more »

Cad and Bounder
Cad and Bounder
8 years ago

“Why the obsession with liberating (unplugging) Betas from the Matrix? It seems to me that there would be absolute mayhem, akin to anarchy, if 85%+ of men unplugged.” Sisyphus No. We already have the answer to this question. Go to countries, of comparable genetic stock, that are less contaminated with the feminist imperative and then compare the quality of the women. I have never come across anyone on the manosphere who argues that women born in English speaking countries are more attractive than in Eastern Europe. Not one. And you can look at things like obesity rates if you want… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
8 years ago

Liberating the Beta is the manosphere’s greatest act of kindness. It is how we the previously enslaved pay it forward, and by doing so how we honor those who showed us the world for what it is. Only when we can see things as they are can we make choices that are truly in our own best interest.

The Burninator
The Burninator
8 years ago

I was going to indulge some of LT’s clearly delusional statements, but the urge to confront solipsism masked by poorly conceived rationalizations is just not that strong in me this morning. Pre-whipped seems to be the consistent state of things these days, but how do we break it? Do we even want to break it (one hopes)? Clearly we’re becoming a non-breeding culture. What few kids we manage to father, women abort out of their wombs without breaking stride, at least enough times to put us in a negative population growth rate. I don’t think having the West circle the… Read more »

The Burninator
The Burninator
8 years ago

I meant European descended Americans, not counting illegal immigrants in the “negative population growth” category. They’re breeding like rabbits.

Sao Feng
Sao Feng
8 years ago

Rol:

because they’re too beta to walk away from a bitch.

hoellenhund2
8 years ago

“I don’t think having the West circle the drain is such a good idea, given as we’re really the only culture in history to invest in individual freedom with any seriousness.”

Investing in individual freedom – that is, women’s individual freedom – is precisely what got the West into its current calamity in the first place.

aaronthejust
8 years ago

livingtree2013, I do not possess a particularly strong instinct to breed. I do feel a strong urge to be a foster parent, and in fact have done so. Please explain which insecurities I’m acting out on. And, no, I won’t raise another man’s child and pretend it’s my own. I will, however, gladly nurture and raise another man and woman’s child–I’m just upfront and honest about it. (Tales of my days as a foster dad are great for game too–I get the benefits of being a provider-dad, with none of the major negatives like the fact most women won’t date… Read more »

Bobby
Bobby
8 years ago

I have a question for rollo. I am 29 years old. I can do 50 pull-ups and about a thousand crunches and I don’t even bother trying to find out how much I could bench-press max. I think of myself as a man just short of being an alpha. my parents have always had this seething hatred of me. my mother said to me that I look like a dog’s ass and my father said that he was feeding a snake (referring to me) while I was tearful after being beat-up by them, together. i was 12 and not strong… Read more »

Aaron the Just
8 years ago

Bobby,

Absolutely true. The phenomenon of mothers hating their own sons is a new one, and I have no explanation for it other than unchecked feminism.

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
8 years ago

Bobby, nothing you can do about low-grade narcissistic people being that way. Been there seen it done it. they never change, don’t even bother getting yourself concerned about it. I suspect it’s congenital.
Just keep in shape, so you’ll fit the Very Expensive Dark Suit I hope you got in anticipation of the funerals.
Absolutely splendid places for “comforting” unaccountably distressed young females (that nobody knows how they even knew one’s parents to attend in the first place), after the wake, the ham etc., .. and drinkies.

Rob
Rob
8 years ago

“…Dear Rollo,Why the obsession with liberating (unplugging) Betas from the Matrix? It seems to me that there would be absolute mayhem, akin to anarchy, if 85%+ of men unplugged….My personal biggest qualm is that unplugging for a man causes a sort of cognitive dissonance, and the danger of ruining one’s reputation as being erstwhile a gentle Nice Guy; reputation has Robert Greene points out is precious, and ought to be guarded with one’s life (law #5). But to what end?!” @Sisyphus, Who says they would all “unplug”, shouldn’t they at least know that they have a choice??? With divorce being… Read more »

The Burninator
The Burninator
8 years ago

@hoellenhund2 “Investing in individual freedom – that is, women’s individual freedom – is precisely what got the West into its current calamity in the first place.” Not so much, no, but that’s how it’s sold to the masses. We managed to get through several centuries without unnatural evil based feminism gumming up the works while being far, far freer as individuals than we are now. Investing in allowing emotions to become the primary rhetorical tool is what allowed socialism power, socialism then cast its net at those with whom it communicates best e.g – emotionally, women, and now here we… Read more »

New Yorker
New Yorker
8 years ago

What Rollo is doing is saving families. By helping the men unplug they become the Men that can lead their families to a better life. Although I unplugged mostly independently, I read this site all of the time because its insight crystallizes the thinking in a cogent way. I have bought 5 copies of the book and will be handing it out to any friends who need it. 1 special copy is saved for my little boy. Thank you Rollo for taking your time. God bless you.

Augustus
Augustus
8 years ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10513330/Vladimir-Putin-claims-Russia-is-moral-compass-of-the-world.html

Hopefully Russians will soon realize that feminism is an even greater evil than gay movement and ban it altogether as well.

Happy New Year!

Augustus
Augustus
8 years ago

Rollo, First I wish you a Happy New Year with many blessings and the protection of God. Second I have a new year request for you: could you write something about what feminism has turned marriage into, for men? I mean, I think it penalized men who get into marriage in a number of indirect ways, by rendering it into a very risky and costly endeavor where the man assumes all the costs and risks, while having less value and earning less respect and love than a poodle madam dog. On the other hand, there is a great number of… Read more »

Water Cannon Boy
Water Cannon Boy
8 years ago

A Jessica Lange interview on the Tavis Smiley show got me thinking about the role of grandparents. She made the comment about it’s a chance to do it again.
That got me thinking about how the economy makes more people have to work longer in life, those that are grandparent age now versus those that will be who were getting married/having kids back in the Oprah-ized hey day, and how the role of grandparents might be different.

Retrenched
Retrenched
8 years ago

Further reading on the Marxist-Leninist roots of 2nd and 3rd wave feminism’s war on men, maleness, fatherhood and families. —

http://hereticalsex.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-did-feminists-attack-family.html

Ray Wolfson
8 years ago

if you disregard modern biology and consider males and females as two different (but compatible) species with two different breeding strategies the picture changes somewhat….. fish have the best strategy… they spawn thousands off offspring and leave the rest to chance, but fish are very simple animals with zero skill set to pass on….. in more complex animals at least one parent is needed to pass on life skills……..polar bears for example are raised only by the female, but males are anything but betas…. in humans the man can pump a thousand women a year if he is skilled, he… Read more »

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