You Can’t Handle Me

marylin

 

Solomon had a great comment on Dalrocks’ most recent post about women, alcohol and blamelessness:

I know girls love the MM quote “If you can’t handle me at my worst, then you don’t deserve me at my best” and I don’t know what MM’s “worst” was, but…

The girls that say that quote today haven’t taken into account this perspective:

“Your worst sucks, is unacceptable, and you are hereby rejected and disqualified for being an unwise, undisciplined, errant fool. Your ‘best’ is unimpressive and disappointing as well.”

Most girls cannot compute the fact that they are intolerable and lack even the basic elements of character or wisdom- probably because their trip on the carousel seems to contradict or deny the natural consequence- rejection. Too dumb to know that the carousel is rejection too.

Women- your pussy-pass is played out. If you banked on that in life, you have earned your suffering well. Your sass and ill behavior is unbecoming, and will earn you the same desolation.

Had to get that off my chest. Carry on.

I see this quote bandied around on FaceBook by women seeking affirmation and some girl-world truism they can chant to themselves, all while their girlfriends and fe-male symps virtually nod in assent.

One of the indicators of a fem-centric society is the empowerment of uniquely female failings and the fluid reengineering of net negatives into net positives. The message here is that a woman’s best outweighs her worst. For guys, a woman’s best – the best we’d like to enjoy – generally has to do with how hot she is and the exclusive sexual access and desire she has for us. However there is an ubiquitous price to be paid in order to enjoy a woman’s best, and sometimes her worst isn’t worth her best.

Thanks Marylyn.


102 responses to “You Can’t Handle Me

  • Heywood Jablome

    Cause and effect are sexist, looksist, phallocentric impositions by Teh Patriarchy™.

    Or something.

  • themoor

    The MM quote serves for women as an excuse to act out their belief that they are entitled to act in any manner they want without consequence.

    And that men better get on board.

    The problem is that those men who get on board and put up with her crap are then seen as unworthy.

    And those who ignore her are unworthy.

    She’ll only deem a guy worthy if he DOESN”T put up with her crap.

    Of course, this is the absolute opposite of the surface meaning of the quote.

    Sadly, it is the guy’s job to decipher the inverted message.

    And they wonder why we think they are crazy.

  • Matt

    If I want a challenge I’ll take up World of Warcraft. It’s cheaper and more rewarding than chasing after modern American women.

  • taterearl

    All it does is signfy that men have to react to her emotional state. Men have to stop being reactors.

    How about this ladies…if you can’t respect me those few times when I’m weak (after all humanity and such), you don’t deserve my strength.

  • deti

    Closely related is the “you men are intimidated by a strong independent woman!” trope.

    Nah, we’re not intimidated. We just find it unattractive, off-putting and annoying.

  • The Shocker

    Hooked up with this chick on Sunday, couldn’t tell if she was Persian or Indian. Smelled like an Indian, sense of entitlement of a Persian. Works at Bain so her elitism is off the charts. She facebooks me at lunch the next day (I didn’t get her # even tho she spent the night) and says she dumped her boyfriend. O snap.

    Lousy hookup, got her off but she never touched my dick cause she’s a stuck up Persian. So she comes over last night so I can finish the job, here’s the text I sent to my bro’s after..

    ‘Bust in the persian chick before she gets off, say “we’re even (for the other night).” She goes, “should have seen that coming. The waitress at [bar where we met] said you fucked her 19 year old friend and told her she was bad in bed. I love that you’re douchy never change.”

  • Bully

    Women can have a “take it or leave it” attitude all they want but men are wising up that leaving it is in fact an option, and women are often completely unprepared when men do exercise it.

  • Good Luck Chuck

    The PUA community likes to try to convince themselves that if a man isn’t finding “good” women, it must be that he isn’t trying hard enough or that he lacks the skills or the value to attract such a woman. Even Rollo himself has said “Don’t wish it were easier, wish you were better” or something like that.

    I have watched this all play out over the past 20 some years. It is officially bad and it is only getting worse. Sure, I can wish I was better and I can try harder and I can work to increase my actual and perceived value, but for what? At the end of the day all I am doing is competing to win a trophy that has been passed around by a bunch of “winners” who came before me.

    When I broke up with the “stripper” a couple of years ago I remember thinking to myself- is this what things have come to? Of course, this was an alcoholic pot head pill popping hippie who wore a corset to work and enjoyed a line of coke every now and then. She was on the far side of the bell curve. But how much better were the ones who came before or after her?

    The 20 year old with some dudes name tattooed on her tit. The 30 something career girl who liked to pound scotch on the rocks before peeling out of the parking lot when she saw me talking to another girl. The 40 year old eastern european who wrote the book on riding the cock carousel. The sweet little 22 yr old latina who also happens to ride motorcycles and participate in orgies.

    I could go on and on. I am sure the first thing that would pop into most people’s minds after hearing this list is that it is probably just the type of girls I choose or the places I meet them. But is it? To an extent, yes, but I have seen a change over the years. Most girls aren’t coke snorting strippers, but as the bar for acceptable behavior gets lower it drags everyone down with it. Yesterdays good girl now has 3 tattoos, a dozen sex partners (not including oral sex, of course!), is 20lbs overweight, and has an oversize attitude to match her oversize ass.

    The US is broken beyond repair. At least during our lifetime.

  • The Other Jim

    @taterearl: “All it does is signify that men have to react to her emotional state. Men have to stop being reactors.”

    Kind of like that Southern phrase, “If Momma ain’t happy, nobody else is happy…”

    I’ve always hated that phrase and attitude but could never quite articulate why until I came across sites like Rollo’s, CH’s, and Dalrock. It’s a manipulative, passive aggressive, and deeply narcissistic attempt by women to control everyone around them. It’s emotionally abusive and immature, if not morally repugnant. Yet, I still can’t believe how many men fall for that act and game by women.

  • Hyperion

    To make themselves even less appealing, many women no longer have separate best and worst states. Instead, you have to endure their worst, in the form of tattoos, piercings, and wrinkles on their face from scowling, simultaneously with their best. Want to enjoy seeing a beautiful body as nature made it? Too bad. Ironically, men do try and look past the surface stuff to see the true woman underneath, but when she’s defaced herself too much it can be repulsive.

  • Rollo Tomassi

    @Chuck, aww man, you’re just not meeting the right kind of Quality Woman. Maybe you should try dating Preacher’s Daughters, I hear they’re the last of the uncorrupted women in western societ,..

    http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/preachers-daughters

    Uh, yeah, you’re fucked,..

  • Grand_Designs

    And yet this last species named Jennifer that sent me to the red pill had a mom who said, and I quote, “Jennifer is not the easiest person to get along with.” If had a year plus reading red pill blogs, I wound have screened. Welcome to the gynocentric orientation/imperative. Krauser had it right when he starts off educating new LTR prospects on male/ female polarity. If she doesn’t get it, than next the strong independent bitch, let them hit the wall.

  • Joe Blow

    Women seem to conflate “You can’t handle me” with “you aren’t willing to put up with my ridiculous horseshit.”

    I think that if I were 20-something and looking to marry, I’d either go young and as near-virginal as I could get (unlikely, short of committing statutory rape), or if I had to settle for a low mileage used model, look for one with an eye for trying to condition her to be a decent wife. It used to be that women would pick a man based in large part on what he’d look like in 15 years, thinking about how he could be changed and made better. It makes it a lot harder when the man has to concentrate on improving himself, and the woman.

    I’m not sure it would be worth it – she’d have to be awful easy on the eyes and I’d have to really want kids, something I didn’t really think about much at 25 or 28.

  • Trini

    I see this type of attitude on FB almost everyday. There are these overweight women who put pics of themselves in different outfits who receive dozens of compliments when most of the time they don’t look impressive because of their size. The compliments mostly come from women. I often wonder if other women are truthful in some of their compliments.

  • William

    @ deti
    also closely related is the idea that a woman being a b*tch is simply reacting to the actions of men around her.
    this idea is promoted by some in the game community cause they view game as “turning water into wine”, that every woman a man encounters is going to be attracted to him.

  • Spoos in August

    @Joe Blow:

    Most young women don’t want children; kids come last in the American “success sequence,” after both a degree and a career. Which guarantees that a lot of today’s 20-year-olds won’t have kids.

    Happily, the virginal ones are the most likely to want to have children, but they’re thin on the ground. Too, it’s frequently a problem if you’re not of the same religion. Doubly so if that’s because you’re an agnostic or an atheist.

  • Jeremy

    @Good Luck Chuck

    …I have watched this all play out over the past 20 some years. It is officially bad and it is only getting worse. Sure, I can wish I was better and I can try harder and I can work to increase my actual and perceived value, but for what? At the end of the day all I am doing is competing to win a trophy that has been passed around by a bunch of “winners” who came before me.

    Exactly. The PUA community in many ways would have us all simply learn how to be the best horse on the carosel without questioning how to stop the ride, break the gearing, and fry the motor. What’s needed more is a societal rejection of the poor behavior in the first place.

  • deti

    @ William:

    “also closely related is the idea that a woman being a b*tch is simply reacting to the actions of men around her.
    “this idea is promoted by some in the game community cause they view game as “turning water into wine”, that every woman a man encounters is going to be attracted to him.”

    Hmm. William, I’d disagree with anyone who says that any man, even a man with tight Game, should expect any woman he encounters to be attracted to him. That’s not human nature. No man is attractive to every woman. Even the best PUAs report at best a success/close rate well under 50%. This is why men coming out of betatude are told to approach approach approach, and become outcome independent, and to accept rejection, and to beat back approach anxiety.

    Look, we men learn early on that rejection is a fact of life. You don’t win everything. you don’t get everything you want. You don’t get even most of what you want. Shouldn’t be any different in a man’s sex/love life. I’ve been rejected a lot, as has just about every other man; and any man who tells you he has not been is lying to you. That’s probably one reason why men’s attraction filters are so wide, and why a man will be willing to bang over 50% of all the women he sees.

  • Retrenched

    I always took that quote to mean that the woman was asserting her right to act like a spoiled, petulant child whenever she felt like it, and that she expected you (or whichever man was in her life) to always be the grownup and to always be there to bail her out of whatever jam she happened to get herself into. Eh… no thanks.

    Funny how women will post stuff like this on Facebook, and then wonder why they can’t find a man who will commit to them.

  • anotheronetakesthepill

    @Trini: had that conversation with some female friends some days ago. Answers varied from: “we just said it cause it is expected” to “everyone is pretty somehow”. I see few women not playing these female games of checking for group approval or wanting to be seen as different. A lot of them are taking pictures of themselves duck-facing and asking where have all good men gone (when they are not even close to be high quality women). Where the heck is female instrospection gone these days?

    @Joe Blow: going for the young ones quasi virginal won’t work. Although you are probably going to attract them you aren’t going to be able to keep them. No amount of alpha is going to keep a girl in early twenties from thinking she can do better. Society. movies, books, her female friends, everything plays against you.

  • Heywood Jablome

    Exactly. The PUA community in many ways would have us all simply learn how to be the best horse on the carosel without questioning how to stop the ride, break the gearing, and fry the motor. What’s needed more is a societal rejection of the poor behavior in the first place.

    The actions of the PUA community, repeated on a large enough scale, will do exactly that.

  • Eric

    taterearl: “How about this ladies…if you can’t respect me those few times when I’m weak (after all humanity and such), you don’t deserve my strength.”

    If women reciprocated, Marilyn’s offer would be more attractive. However, the non-reciprocal nature of women, at least with betas, is what drives betas to game or MGTOW.

    The beta strains mightily to ‘handle her at her worst’ and gives her his strength when she is weak, only to be shocked when she drops him like a hot potato as soon as he is weak and turns to her for strength. It’s the myth of relational equity and hypergamy doesn’t care of course.

    If women refuse to handle him at his worst yet shamelessly partake freely of his best, then why should he consider Marilyn’s offer? The sex better be off the charts.

  • Jeremy

    @Heywood Jablome

    What is that scale where it becomes sociologically advantageous for all men to behave as alphas? It seems to me that diversity in behavior is a given considering we live among 3.5 billion men. When you consider that you cannot have 3.5 million alphas or the term loses its meaning, how then can the PUA succeed in changing society?

    It has, thankfully, succeeded in resurrecting forms of masculinity that were being forgotten. It has, thankfully, forced many men to take a second look at the dating world. However, unless I completely misunderstand the purpose and techniques (and I don’t think I do), it cannot make women cease to over-value themselves in the SMP. It can only raise the bar by which they judge men against other men, and that is exactly the problem we’re still dealing with.

  • Westcoaster

    I was at the gym last night lifting weights. I live in the intermountain west — the AFC capital of the world because women outnumber men 3 to 1. I see some of the most egregious AFCing every day. Last night was no different. Two guys in the gym are with one woman (of course), she’s dating one of them.

    She keeps making snarky comments to her boyfriend and he would walk over to where she was lifting and try to lighten up the mood. (It’s a small weight room.) This gal (about a 4 or 5) wouldn’t smile, a little on the chunky side, typical white American angry/don’t smile look, would just keep dishing the sh-t and the two AFC’s would laugh. Her final quip was, “Do you want to ride home or walk,” i.e., of course she’s driving, freaking AFC. The wimp walks over and goes and kisses her ugly a$$.

    Since being unplugged years ago, this stuff just makes me cringe. But living here in AFC land — where men try to overcome their AFCness with big trucks and gun racks — it’s really, really bad. Women call all the shots in this town and seeing these AFC’s beg for it is incredible.

    Of course this is symptomatic of society. Man have given in to the women calling the shots. No, I don’t want “their worst” as in the above quote. Get better.

  • Candide

    I always take that quote to mean women think they are as hot as Marilyn Monroe, so I’d ask them if they think their best is the same as Marilyn’s best.

  • Stories Dad Never Told You

    Hey Rollo, long time fan first time commenter. Not sure if you have heard this yet, but a recent Freakanomics Pocast delves into the gender question. Would love to hear your interpretation: http://www.freakonomics.com/2013/02/24/women-are-not-men-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

    Sorry, Chuck, you are indeed out of luck…

  • Jake OxyElite

    Hey Rollo, can you make a post on “craigslist missed connection” Holy shit, it’s the most puke inducing beta shit I ever read. Here’s a example:

    “Cute Asian girl at Chapters / Starbucks (John / Richmond St) – m4w

    This evening around 7:00 PM ish you were sitting on the top floor (overlooking John St).

    You had long black hair and had black pants on.

    You and I exchanged some glances, LOL!

    Assuming you see this post, it’d be great if we could connect.”

    Creepy as shit.

  • Grand_Designs

    @ Jake…not so much post worthy from an editorial pov, been covered, but if you head on over to the Return of Kings, there’s a nice little post about -missed connection game…

  • William

    @deti
    I totally understand, just an idea that i’ve seen discussed.

    @Jake OxyElite
    Even in my worse days i knew talking to a girl long after exchanging looks with her was a failure.
    He’s already shown the he doesn’t have the confidence to approach woman.

  • Professor Ashur

    Off they use the word “handle”, which is a trick to disguise the real word, which should be “tolerate”, or “endure”.

    This is nothing more than a bit of shaming language sleight-of-hand, because the implication is that unwillingness to tolerate a rude cunt is somehow proof of a man’s lack of abilities, or some other such nonsense.

    Great comeback to this line:

    “So, by ‘handle’, do you mean that I should feel free to physically restrain or dominate you when you’re out of control? Is that what you’re asking for? If so, no problem. If by handle you mean “put up with your insane shit”, then you should say so.

    I can “handle” your bitchiness just like I’m sure I could handle your monthly less-than-daisy-fresh status. Or your occasional body odor. All of these can be “handled” to a point. But I note that you are quick to cleanse yourself of those other two noxious attributes, so I am sure you will also act just as quickly to cleanse your personality of its similarly odious aspect. Thanks.”

  • YaReally

    “sometimes her worst isn’t worth her best.”

    I agree with this. But I also think chicks are pretty awesome in general. I think a lot of the butthurtness comes from guys who are still putting girls up on a pedestal and it devestates them when girls don’t live up to that perfect goddess image. Then they listen to tales of magical vaginas in EE or Thailand (meanwhile the guys there are only ever pulling 6-7s at best, who speak broken English and shit) and they just grow more bitterness and resentment for women.

    Love them for who they are, not who you wish they were.

    “She may look fit, sexy and sophisticated, but after she’s naked with mascara running down her face and she’s trying to stuff her thighs into a pair of too-small jeans at 2:00 a.m., you realize she’s just another person trying to get by.” – Paul Janka

    “The actions of the PUA community, repeated on a large enough scale, will do exactly that.”

    This. My standards for a fuck aren’t real high. Be hot, fun, generally cool, good in bed, and no drama, and I’m in. But my standards for commitment are off the charts high because I’ve met so many girls that I know what I do/don’t want in a long-term partner.

    And that’s great, it makes a chubby girl choking on a cigarette at the bar with a pitcher of beer in her hand cussing like a sailor in her flip-flops go “huh…that awesome guy doesn’t want me. Maybe I should change my shit up and start taking care of myself and become a higher quality person…”

    …until 5 min later when a desperate decent-looking beta comes in and tells her she’s beautiful and ends up dating her and getting into a committed relationship.

    If more guys had the ruthless standards for an LTR that PUA helps them develop, women would figure out “oh okay so to get actual commitment I need to get my act together.” Doesn’t work when only like 5% of the men are on board with it lol

    And of course this’ll never happen because society is still anti-pickup and there are a million White Knights being brainwashed by Disney daily. That’s why we don’t bother worrying about it…we just provide the “how”.

  • Ton

    I have a worse side of my personality. I worked damn hard over the years to keep it in check. I started doing this at 17. Every once in awhile it creeps back up, but I know the warning signs and squash it flat.

    Apparently women think (feel) they don’t have to do the same. It’s the day to day grind of women living out that MM quote which keeps me flip flopping between short term relationships and going my own way

  • Kate

    @Eric: It depends on the relationship status. For instance, if a guy is not in a committed relationship with you, he does not get the kind of caring he would if he were showing he was really serious about you. Men can’t expect women to help them when they’re down indefinitely without commitment. Standing by a man through thick and thin is the definition of a wife. And most men don’t want one, so…they’ll have to get used to being alone through difficulties.

    A couple years ago a male superior at work was asking some of the women for advice about buying appliances at his home. A far older woman, never married (in her late sixties), suggested she could go along with him to help him pick them out. A divorced female friend a few years older than me made him a list of things he should buy and said, “that’s what a girlfriend is for.” My contribution to his problem after a few small suggestions was “That’s a wife’s job.”

    It shouldn’t all be about who is doing what for whom, but some people overgive and get nothing in return. When you realize you’re only being taken advantage of, you have to be a bit more selective in whom you invest.

  • Jeremy

    @YaReally

    If more guys had the ruthless standards for an LTR that PUA helps them develop, women would figure out “oh okay so to get actual commitment I need to get my act together.” Doesn’t work when only like 5% of the men are on board with it lol

    Yes, but having the high standards for commitment is not an endemic feature of being a PUA, it’s a feature of being a f-ing red-pill man. The PUA community is only teaching men how to be the favorite horse on the carosel. The Manosphere is what is teaching men to be men again.

  • kleyau

    Once women lose the ability to be mothers (which is what the pussy pass really is), by choice or age, they have to live like men. That is, they have to give more to the world than they take out. It’s a hard transition.

  • David AlexOrher

    So this is why the Muslims and the Eastern Europeans restrict all rights and beat them.

    They’ll ALWAYS find a way to absolve themselves of responsibility. ALWAYS.

  • itsme

    @professor ashur

    you would seriously say all of that?

    i’d just go ‘why would i want to?’

  • Ton

    @ the wife/ girl friend role to help men pick out appliances and the like comment

    It is but you can find the same info on the interwebs or by asking the sales staff. A clever man will mosey on over to the college town were young collage age girls fill most of the retail sales jobs…

  • itsme

    @kate

    i can count on one hand the number of times i’ve said to myself ‘i wish i had the support of a woman to help me through this crisis’ and still have six fingers left over.

    i’d like to think real men wouldn’t need the support of women, yet can still appreciate it if it’s there.

  • Hero

    @themoor

    Excellent point.

    The “handling” that Marilyn is talking about is the discipline and structure that a man can bring into her life.

    The man she wants is the man that pays attention to her AND tames her.

  • Hero

    Why so much hate on tattoos? I like ‘em.

    Women have been decorating themselves for a long, long time in attempts to be attractive to men. To me, it is more of that eye catching decoration.

    I love the fact that women are trying to draw my attention and there is some seriously cool artwork walking around as tattoos.

  • The Private Man

    “If Momma ain’t happy, nobody else is happy…”

    Bullshit. If Momma ain’t happy, she’d better get her head on straight and deal with life like an adult.

  • Kate

    @Ton: That’s exactly what he should have done. Don’t look to women providing for themselves to help out a man making double their salary to help pick out his appliances. If he chooses to be single and play the field, there are some things he’ll go without. I’m sure he will find someone young at some point and everything will work out fine :)

    @itsme: I’m thinking of serious issues, like illness or loss of job. I know someone who faced career upheaval and I had to force myself not to care because he had shown how little he thought of me. The old me would have continued to be that helpful, listening ear…until he found the woman he really wanted to be with.

  • Good Luck Chuck

    If commitment were still the goal for women we wouldn’t be in half of this mess. Today women have the same goal as men- get laid and have fun. I can’t tell you how many times I got blown out when I went into a situation with a chick thinking about the possibility of a relationship. It wasn’t like that 15-20 years ago. It started to get bad around the year 2000 and it’s gotten progressively worse since. These days you absolutely can’t go into an interaction with a high value female with long term intentions. The only way you have a shot at anything more is if you don’t WANT anything more. As soon as they sense you being more invested in the idea of a relationship than they are you are pegged as low value and it is all over.

    So what we end up with is low value females getting fatter and pickier because the know at the end of the day SOMEONE will fuck them. Might not be their first choice, but it’s always there.

    The fact that people aren’t pairing up like they used to is really, really bad for a guy who wants anything more than quick, meaningless flings. And what guy doesn’t want that? But at the same time most of us are also looking for something more.

  • Solomon

    Thanks Rollo =)

  • YaReally

    @Jeremy
    “But having the high standards for commitment is not an endemic feature of being a PUA, it’s a feature of being a f-ing red-pill man”

    High standards don’t mean shit if you’re not going out. Manosphere seems pretty content to sit on its crotchety old man ass and wax theory rather than hit the field and approach some hotties to find these perfect girls. She’s probably not going to be Janine from your office.

    The nerds playing World of Warcraft have high standards too. Elbows too pointy, 2/10 and all that. Doesn’t mean shit unless you’re actually sorting through pussy.

  • taterearl

    “As soon as they sense you being more invested in the idea of a relationship than they are you are pegged as low value and it is all over.”

    Yup…men today need to hear that your mission in life is the thing to invest in. It’ll bring out the natural qualities that women are attracted to and a byproduct will be relationships.

    Today all men hear is that you are worthless unless you have female attention…therefore make female attention is your mission and base your life around that. It brings out the opposite qualities of attracting females…which is why you are either sitting on the sidelines for life, short term leasing girls, or if you do manage to marry one…she’s counting the days until she meets with the divorce lawyer.

  • Jeremy

    @YaReally

    High standards don’t mean shit if you’re not going out. Manosphere seems pretty content to sit on its crotchety old man ass and wax theory rather than hit the field and approach some hotties to find these perfect girls.

    That’s a fine point, but it doesn’t really refute what I’m saying. The societally useful knowledge comes from the manosphere. The personally useful dating info comes from the PUA’s. You can’t change society with PUA activity, you just can’t. You can change it with red-pill-man knowledge being spread far and wide.

  • Jake

    Oh, and to add to the Marilyn Monroe quote, shit is so puke inducing.

    Whenever I see a snobby little 18 years old 8+ who drinks, smokes and parties all the time, I smile to myself.

    Because in 15-20 years time, she’s going to be a brick on the wall or a crazy cat lady.

    In current day America, most women are past their prime once they hit 25 (30 if she takes care of herself). Currently the landscape is full of fat, monsterous landwhales.

    The few hotties are self entitled – perhaps for a couple years, until she becomes a bloated cow. Then the next 18 years old takes her place. And the cycle continues.

  • Anonymous Reader

    Rollo, here is the short form answer: “Ok, it’s a deal”, followed by “Next!”.

    Your detailed reply is more than most entitled princess snowflakes deserve. It should be doled out only to those that might show some glimmer of self awareness. Otherwise it’s just a waste of energy.

  • Adam

    @Jeremy

    Manosphere: knowledge

    PUA: action

  • Dan

    This is somewhat a self fulfilled prophecy. Men on here despise women for riding the carousel and simultaneously strategize to be the carousel. Have you considered that you might be the perfect counterpart to the used up slut? Why would a woman worth a damn go for the cock carousel pro? She wouldn’t. No woman worth a damn is on the carousel go cry yourself to sleep you used up slut banger. Good women aren’t interested in you because good women are typically subject to they’re fathers and obey him. He taught her to stay off the carousel. These nasty whores are your legitimate counterpart.

  • Kate

    @Jake: And when I get my Victoria’s Secret catalogue and think no woman’s arms could be that slender, I remember that catalogue women also don’t have kneecaps, and that those models have only a few short years to make their money before their replacements move in.

  • Adam

    @Dan

    Looks like somebody’s got a bad case of the Madona/whore.

  • AD

    The funny thing is that this woman would rather have sex with the thug who was beating her than the ‘white knight’ who wanted to save her.

    http://lightbox.time.com/2013/02/27/photographer-as-witness-a-portrait-of-domestic-violence/

  • Martel

    @ AD: I got suckered into a white knight saving scenario, and it was one of many incidents that should have gotten me to swallow the Pill.

    The guy who lived next door to me let his friends stay at his place when he was away. A couple that was staying there got in a really loud drunken fight. They ended up in the street, he was physically restraining her, screaming, yelling, blah, blah, blah. Neighbors called the police.

    He forced her into a car on the driveway right by me on my lawn. I saw him wallop her (the door was open) and said, “What the hell!” She bolted out the door, ran behind me for protection, and I told him he couldn’t come on my property.

    We went inside, and I sympathetically listened to all her crap about how mean he was. After a few minutes, there was a loud bang on the door. She screamed “Go the fuck away!” (never mind that I might have had a guest coming or something). Turns out it was the police.

    Within minutes I had about eight cops in my place, asking for statements from me, her, etc. Eventually it was just one cop, me, and her. He told her that she needs to find a better man, somebody who will treat her better.

    She then screamed “There are no good men!” At this moment the guy who risked getting attacked by a drunken convict for her sake was literally invisible to her. (I wasn’t hurt by this because I wasn’t attracted to her.) But the cop and I shrugged to each other. Before he left he told me to keep her there. That lasted about five minutes; she blasted past me to run out the door.

    I almost had to testify for this crap, but fortunately I got called away to Afghanistan so I wasn’t able to. I guess this guy had done this about six other times to other women.

    This is why there are so few heroes left, because if I ever see something like that happen again, I’m just gonna sit on my ass, watch, and laugh.

  • Pechorin_24

    After reading Crying Game, I went out in my backyard to think about the female and this very “worst-best” stuck out in my mind. I don’t know what it is, Rollo, but I think on the same page with you quite often. The main difference is that you’re good at communicating what you’ve become aware of whereas I simply know, yet am not able to explicitly explain it to myself (or others) clearly or succinctly. I’ll add that communication skills Are important, although communicating only dominance, along with having status and a good appearance can make up/balance the scales for one with a deficit in speaking skills.
    I get off topic a bit yet that’s my nature, pardon.

  • Sir Alan

    Oft repeated tropes like this are an example of why society is slinking down the shitter at an incredible rate. I see stuff like this on Facebook news feeds, cover photos, etc. Quotes like this and “YOLO” only teach girls how to absolve responsibility. This in effect creates a female populace that is largely unworthy of commitment.

    The nuclear family is a defenseless handicap getting double teamed with baseball bats by society and the State.

  • Mark Minter

    So it’s March 1.

    The 1 year post for Rational Male was Aug 29.

    Since there is no Feb 29, then I guess March 1 is the 18 month mark.

    So I would say, 18 months ago, I might have handled her worst so that I “deserved” her best.

    Now, I won’t

    Congrats on 18 months.

    There was a comment on the RooshV Forum about “Genetic Celebrity”

    The poster said, “I read Rollo’s post on the subject and I don’t agree with the Gospel”.

    Gospel.

    One of the uniquely male moments in my life was being a Marine stationed in New River Air Station in NC and the Marine Corp Drill Team came for a performance. You might have seen them in parades and in front of thousands of people in formal performances.

    This one performance was rather unique. The word was passed to go over to the flight deck and we all went over there. We formed big oval. Maybe 300 guys. No stands. No seats. Just like we were gonna watch a fight on the playground.

    Keep in mind every one of these guys had been through Marine Corps boot camp and had spent countless hours learning drill. The most basic movement of drill is Port Arms, a two motion movement, snapping the rifle from down by your leg, up in front of your chest, grabbing it with a crisp clapping sound on the stock, halfway between the trigger and the tip of the barrel with left hand. The second movement is to move the right hand down and grab the stock on the other side of the trigger again with a crisp clapping sound.

    With perfect drill, the two sounds should be pop pop but it almost never was that way. At first, the lack of precision was comical, but after hours it got more precise. When I first arrived at Boot Camp, the Third Phase platoons that were days from graduating looked perfect. And I sure my platoon looked the same close to graduation, but to me, it never seemed that we were like those others. There was always imperfection. It never sounded like Pop Pop. There was always a slight fuzz to it. And I am sure my thoughts were the same in all the other Marines.

    The Marine Corps Drill Team came out of the helicopter hanger and marched towards us. The end of the oval opened, they marched in, and the oval closed behind them. I was maybe 20 feet away from them. This Drill Team was silent, no audible commands. The officer marching to the side of the file in the front raised a sword and dropped it and they came to halt. One sound, their heels clicking together, one pop. They did a right face to the flank, one pop.

    Then they did a port arms. Pop Pop.

    And a roar came up from the guys watching. The loudest roar you could hear from 300 men. For fucking Port Arms. On something that the rest of the millions of people that have seen this group perform for years took for granted and was nothing compared to twirling rifles with bayonets, thrown in the air, and all the theatrics that drill team is known for. But to those Marines watching, those men that had spent countless hours trying to perfect and then see perfection, and know it was perfection, they could not contain their appreciation.

    Yeah, well I write and I shit all the web with words. I even put a good deal of time and effort into it.

    But when I come here to Rational Male.

    Pop Pop.

  • Robert

    @ Mark Minter.

    Fuck. I just got tingles.

  • taterearl

    “Why would a woman worth a damn go for the cock carousel pro?”

    Women only go after the pros because they display enough masculine qualities to get her into bed…but if he allows her to stick around long enough she’ll unleash his inner female.

  • Rollo Tomassi

    Thanks Mark. I didn’t even think about the 18 month mark until you mentioned it, but I’m at 2,238,085 views as of this morning. It took just under a year to get to the 1 million point. What started out as my collection of SoSuave posts has grown into something much greater and I’m flattered that my audience benefits.

  • cardmagic10

    Mark Minter – your people need you!

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21254.html

    I love your writing. And please do a search for your name on the forum – you are a cult figure over there.

  • Anti-Blue Pill

    Comedian Adam carolla’s parody of Chick centric crap you hear mainstream nowaday’s

  • Ton

    To be worthy of a long term relationship, you must be worthy of a one night stand. That is why women want a cocksmith

  • Deep Dish

    Last week, I dumped my girlfriend of eight months. From the very beginning she told me she was a “hot mess” and for eight months I put up with her bat shit craziness in exchange for her putting up with my socially retarded autism, which of course was negotiating with desire, and I knew it. The silver lining of dealing with a crazy bitch is that it helped harden up my soul; it definitely helped disabuse me of some naivities. I learned a number of key lessons and I’m now in a better position to deal with less chaotic girls.

    There are two similarities between my ex and Chuck’s stripper ex: both were borderline alcoholics who loved blow, and I dumped her over text.

  • Westcoaster

    I second Mark’s thoughts on Rollo’s fine blog. More than just good writing, I’ve read some posts here where the content here perhaps prevented a suicide or suicidal thoughts, or deep depression. I’m serious: Rollo’s writing on the old SoSuave site really helped turn things around for me. I’m not there yet, but way better than I was in the past.

  • ConShawnery

    Here’s my stock reply to bitches like that:

    If you need to be handled, I want nothing to do with you. Kids need to be handled. Pets need to be handled. Adults do not. Whether I want a fuckbuddy, girlfriend, or wife, I want a woman, not an overgrown child who needs to be handled.

    On the other hand, if you fancy the idea of being kept on a leash, I might consider that… if you’re housetrained. Bonus points if you can lick plates clean.

  • Good Luck Chuck

    There are two similarities between my ex and Chuck’s stripper ex: both were borderline alcoholics who loved blow, and I dumped her over text.

    The funny thing is HER female friends (mutual friends of mine) thought it was hilarious that I dumped her via text. Huge DHV and quite fitting considering the modern american woman’s addiction to facebook and smart phones and shit.

    If you’ve never dumped a chick via text you really should try it some time.

  • Mark Minter

    So, maybe 4,000,000 views by August. My opinion is that you should go to Hollywood and pitch a script. There is probably 50 good movies in the body of these posts.

    Like a girl that celebrates this quote from MM and a man that gets sick of her shit because the highs of the “her” don’t warrant the crap she hands out.

    Or a “War Bride”

    Or the real story behind a “casualty”

    Or the whole “Hypergamy doesn’t care if” done in that same style as “Love Actually” or “Paris Stories” with a 6 parallel stories.

    and about 46 more that if we all talked about it, the freaking things would practically write themselves.

    The big one I would have in mind is kind of a Red Pill “coming of age” story. I see Tom Cruise starring in it as a lesser alpha that marries, follows the culture, does the whole Dr Phil thing, and gets beta fucked. While struggling with the anger of divorce rape, and as an older guy that is thrust back into dating and failing, he goes to “boot camp” with one of real PUA orginals, Mystery, and undergoes the “conversion” we all have gone through.

    Sometimes I wonder what Tom thinks now. He dogged PUA in Magnolia. Neil Strauss had written how when he leaning towards leaving PUA into a LTR with Courtney Love’s guitarist, Tom was a big proponent of it, saying “And what is wrong with that?”

    Wonder what both of them think now? Frankly I think the whole Scientology excuse from Katie Holmes was all bullshit. It was pure and simple divorce rape.

    So by the time your book comes out and August rolls around then you can answer some producer’s question about “Why You?”.

    You can say “well I got 4 fucking million reasons.”

  • Mark Minter

    Also I knew about the 18 months because when I Red Pill “convert” a guy, I search for “Rational Male One Year”, I give him the link returned and say

    “Start Here”.

    This week, there was a kid at the University of Nebraska that Jezebel slammed for saying in an editorial “Women reached equality now back off cause your hurting relationships”. The kid quoted some big Fem writers and Jezzie said “Kid, Maybe actually read the books instead of mouthing off”

    So I wrote him and said “How you feeling about those Feminists now? I’m sure they been eating you alive. It’s time you woke up and learned the real deal and the real truth about women.”

    “Start Here”.
    http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/year-one/

  • walawala

    That Marilyn quote…sounds like a “Shit test”…how many times have I heard this? Then when I say “too much work I’m lazy…” the girl suddenly starts qualifying herself.

    Watch all the movies about Marilyn.

    It seemed the only guy who could handle her was Arthur Miller who was by all accounts a complete fucking prick.

    I watched the film “My Week With Marilyn” where the young beta studio assistant gets oneitis over her. There’s a few scenes of Arthur Miller popping on the film set and not taking any of her shit. She’s almost afraid of him.

    Damaggio brought flowers to her grave for years…Miller?

  • Kate

    Arthur Miller was an incredibly tough cookie (experienced McCarthyism and *still* wrote The Crucible). He was basically a political enemy in the 50s. If he could face down the U.S. governement, he ought to be able to handle a woman. His portrayal of women in The Crucible is pretty condemning.

    As far as current scripts, Silver Linings Playbook is a movie I bet a lot of men here would appreciate. I don’t want to give away the plot because that’d ruin it, but a post after people have the chance to see it would be cool :)

  • Westcoaster

    Good stuff Mark … Some of the many things that hit home for me on this site was when Rollo mentioned people he knew killing themselves, basically over soul mate myth or oneitis, or both. I concur with him and thought this long ago that oneitis is almost a psychological disorder. If hoarding can get into the DSM psychological handbook, I think oneitis could.

    Friend of mine committed suicide a few years ago. It happened after a divorce and his job falling apart. He’s taken to drinking heavily. Went to a shooting range, walked out into it and shot himself. Left behind a son. I talked to him for awhile about changing careers, quit dating psycho women, etc., and he sort of listened.

    I’ve got dozens of oneitis/soul mate myth stories, some mine, more my friends. It’s frightening the behaviors that it’s produced.

  • Free advertisement for damaged goods

    In a true relationship, a husband and wife see each other at their worst and at their best, and somehow still love each other.
    Those “damaged goods” that post these things every day on FaceBook (we all know who these girls are) are the same one that are being used by man after man after man. And the alpha-gamers can sniff out these damaged goods like hounds sniffing a blood-trail. So they get used even more. Posting sh&% like that iis like free advertising for these damaged-goods. “I am here, I am sad, Use me some more!”
    But, a husband doesn’t demand that his wife MUST put up with his worst, nor does a wife demand this. They make a vow to do so, and they thank each other for the times that they have know they’ve done it. We’re all a little bit crazy (sining in Seal’s voice now) every now and again.
    But a girl who demands that men put up with her “worst,” is like a guy stomping around saying “I don’t take no sh&% from No woman.”
    (I’ve heard Alpha males and jerks say this)
    I have noticed that the younger women right now are definitely ones with more of this entitled attitude. I don’t know if it is the result of the feminist culture, or the entitled culture, or daddy told her what a princess-she-was culture. But it is pretty scary to see.
    I know that I’ve had to put up with some “worse” and have dished out some “worse” but we have both committed to deal with the issues we have created when we put forth our worst, and for the most part we are always trying to give each other our best… Maybe I’m just lucky to have found someone who wants to give me his best??? Maybe he is just lucky to have found someone who wants to give him her best???

  • senior beta

    Similar thought to Minter’s but different service. Served on a carrier in Nam. So the aviators always impressed me. Especially the Blue Angels who drop into my neighborhood every October. Get the tingles watching them. Rollo not quite at that level. Yet. But close.

  • Chuck Hammer

    Kate
    As far as current scripts, Silver Linings Playbook is a movie I bet a lot of men here would appreciate. I don’t want to give away the plot because that’d ruin it, but a post after people have the chance to see it would be cool.

    Appreciate it why? The whole movie’s a femifantasy. Like the part where Tiffany tells Pat (male) that she and her husband stopped having sex after less than three years of marriage (well that part’s real for many men) and that after her husband was killed she dealt with her grief by fucking everyone in her office, male and female. Eleven people total. And was fired as a result. And Pat goes, “oh, cool,” and falls in love with Tiffany anyway, despite the fact everyone in their town knows she’s a raging cock-monster.

    I thought the entire plot was ridiculous. But Jennifer Lawrence does look OK semi-naked.

  • Phero

    The worse thing at the moment is the “Blue Pill Dads” with daughters.
    It seems they all refer to them as “princess” and hellbent on towing the femcentric line with anything and everything for my princess is not enough.
    FML!

  • Not Carrie Bradshaw

    Yes CHuck I absolutely HATED silver linings playbook – as much as I HATED sex and the city. Promoting the idea that irritating, annoying women enjoy their fairytale endings by being obnoxious, persistent, loud, uncompromising and rude enough. Ironically hubby loves it, and yes, he loved SATC as well. I guess he can afford to wallow in that fantasy since he hasn’t had to live with a nutcase day in and day out.

  • Tam the Bam

    Phero: “The worse thing at the moment is the “Blue Pill Dads” with daughters.
    It seems they all refer to them as “princess” and hellbent on towing the femcentric line with anything and everything for my princess is not enough.”

    It’s instructive to watch these guys in their interactions with the Queen Mothers, their wives. I’ve never seen the same affection and indulgence lavished on them. As long as they keep the noise down to a low whine, and carry on shopping, nobody gives a stuff what they get up to.

    Almost like the Blue Princes wish they had married the daughter. A bit banal and obvious, but that’s what I see. Icky.

  • imnobody

    Almost like the Blue Princes wish they had married the daughter. A bit banal and obvious, but that’s what I see. Icky.

    Indeed. As Jung realized more than a century ago, American men treat their wives as if they were their mothers so their daughters are kind of their sweethearts, their princesses (not in a sexual way, of course).

    This dynamics predates feminism and it is the main cause gender relations have gone so badly in the States.

    http://www.welmer.org/2009/08/13/carl-jung-founding-father-of-game/

  • Kate

    I’m no sure why the Jennifer Lawrence character/performance receives much attention. Bradley Cooper was the one who deserves the accolades. And the reason I thought it would be appreciated here is that because he has a natural reaction to finding a cheating spouse- tries to kill the other man- he is sent away to a mental institution. While he clearly has oneitis for his wife and thinks initially he can win her back by losing weight and getting his life together, the red pill ending is that he finds his self-respect and does not attempt to rebuild the relationship that she completely violated and, instead, moves on to find a better match *for him*.

  • AW

    Regarding Silver Linings, it was an entertaining film. Some of you guys need to relax on the red pill zealotry every once in a while. Most great art (definitely not saying this movie qualifies as that) is not made in perfect red pill harmony. Appreciate it for what it is. Snicker at the blue parts if you must but appreciate the talent of the work.

    Sometimes I think the most devout red pill fanatics must’ve been the worst blue pill sheep before they discovered this. I’ve always been on my own path and seen most of the BS that culture inculcates into the herd, so RM and “Game” just provided specificity and clarification. But don’t trade one religion for another and become a different flavor of pundit. Think critically but don’t be a bitter cynic. Life’s too short. End tangent.

  • kios

    AW: Don’t assume the film is hated for that reason.Not everyone thinks David O’Russell is a genius. Some of us think he is an ordinary film maker, regardless of whether we have swallowed the red pill.

  • Chuck Hammer

    Sometimes I think the most devout red pill fanatics must’ve been the worst blue pill sheep before they discovered this. I’ve always been on my own path and seen most of the BS that culture inculcates into the herd, so RM and “Game” just provided specificity and clarification. But don’t trade one religion for another and become a different flavor of pundit. Think critically but don’t be a bitter cynic. Life’s too short. End tangent.

    Just a friendly heads up. Qualifying yourself to strangers on the internet makes you look a little insecure. Oh and you should look up the meaning of pundit.

  • Chuck Hammer

    Don’t assume the film is hated for that reason.Not everyone thinks David O’Russell is a genius. Some of us think he is an ordinary film maker, regardless of whether we have swallowed the red pill.

    Exactly. He mistakes sound and motion for energy and emotion. The Pat character was just annoying. And the plot didn’t hang together. IRL hot 22 year old chicks (Tiffany) just aren’t attracted to mentally unstable losers with epic oneitis (Pat). And men don’t go “oh, cool, will you marry me” when told by their girl she’s just banged a soccer team.

    Silver Linings Playbook had the standard chick flick plot. Hot but flawed girl wins over unattainable alpha dude with her special snowflake power. David O’Russell’s “genius” was to substitute a mentally unstable ordinary guy for the unattainable alpha dude. Thus rendering the whole plot ridiculous.

  • AW

    Ha, ok. Re-read my post. I’m not saying the film is great, I specifically noted that I wasn’t saying that. Also, “unattainable alpha”? Did you even see the movie? That dude was as AFC as they come.

    The point of my post was intended to be broader, that I see a lot of movies/songs/books/etc/etc slagged on the manosphere because they don’t pass the blue pill litmus test. We’re all trying to become Renaissance Men right, not just PUAs, or whatever?

    Also, guess what guy: in real life I could give two shits about your pop-psych analysis of my comment. I would tell you the same I wrote above in person, if it came up, because it’s true. And after a 5 minute conversation with me, you’d know that it was. Or maybe I should sit around proof-reading accurate shit I write about myself and censor it in case some RM reader thinks I look insecure, and then I will look less alpha on the interwebz. Hilarious.

    In conclusion:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pundit

    First paragraph, last sentence.

  • Pechorin_24

    Thanks to whomever posted that link regarding Carl Jung. I used to enjoy reading his books at the library, before I was a teenager.

  • Tilikum

    “Also, guess what guy: in real life I could give two shits about your pop-psych analysis of my comment. I would tell you the same I wrote above in person, if it came up, because it’s true. And after a 5 minute conversation with me, you’d know that it was. Or maybe I should sit around proof-reading accurate shit I write about myself and censor it in case some RM reader thinks I look insecure, and then I will look less alpha on the interwebz. Hilarious.”

    Gamma.

  • Ton

    Great link on MM, Quatermain.I like older movies but know next to nothing about the actors/ actresses. Lord what a mess that woman was, and a prediction of what women were to become

  • Kate

    While, Chuck says, “The Pat character was just annoying,” I’m not buying that the Tiffany character is a hot chick. lol All she is is young.

    Women do become attracted to men who are taken/indifferent to them. The point is that both characters are “losers” in the traditional sense. I could have done without all the swearing and yelling, personally.

    And, there was no indication of marriage in the future of these two characters. It showed them simply enjoying a day of family football together. The final scene is one of acceptance of everyone’s individual craziness and the happiness people can find when they actually *give up* on fairy tales.

  • Hathcock

    Is it possible that her popularity is partly due to a subconscious reaction to her perfect embodiment of “female” (pure, raw self interested hypergamy)?

  • Chuck Hammer

    Kate
    While, Chuck says, “The Pat character was just annoying,” I’m not buying that the Tiffany character is a hot chick. lol All she is is young.

    Control that hamster. You could convince me the character (Tiffany) wasn’t intended to be hot but I don’t think you’ll get much traction for the idea that Jennifer Lawrence isn’t a hot chick.

    The point is that both characters are “losers” in the traditional sense. I could have done without all the swearing and yelling, personally.

    I agree. But there’s a huge difference between a “loser” who’s a mentally unstable unemployed 30 year old ex-high school teacher and a “loser” who’s a strong independent promiscuous 22 year old hot chick. Could happen I suppose.

  • Chuck Hammer

    Also, “unattainable alpha”? Did you even see the movie? That dude was as AFC as they come.

    Reading comprehension fail. Try it again.

    Silver Linings Playbook had the standard chick flick plot. Hot but flawed girl wins over unattainable alpha dude with her special snowflake power. David O’Russell’s “genius” was to substitute a mentally unstable ordinary guy for the unattainable alpha dude. Thus rendering the whole plot ridiculous.

  • Chuck Hammer

    Kate
    And, there was no indication of marriage in the future of these two characters. It showed them simply enjoying a day of family football together. The final scene is one of acceptance of everyone’s individual craziness and the happiness people can find when they actually *give up* on fairy tales.

    You’re being too literal about the marriage thing. The point is Tiffany was so special she overcame the Olympic Gold Medal-winning oneitis Pat had for his ex-wife and made him fall in love with her.

    This is an improbable plot point that doesn’t seem unreasonable to women I guess as it triggers that happy little “aaaah, girl gets desirable dude” reflex. Except that, to close the circle, the only basis the movie offers for Tiffany’s attraction to Pat is their mutual fucked up-ness.

  • Kate

    Well, its an interesting question to ponder: whether men can be “made” to fall in love with anyone. I think women can under the right (wrong?) circumstances.

    That is a good point. Its not clear why Tiffany likes him. She just wants to prove that her brand of crazy isn’t any worse than his. Its when he takes the superior attitude toward her situation that she seems to become determined to prove that he is just as much a mess as she is.

    I’ll speak to my hamster, but there’s nothing I can do about taking things too literally. Professional habit :)

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  • TheWildOne

    I have struggled with mental health issues for a long time, as Marilyn probably did.
    Frankly, I’m too embarrassed to tell anyone about it.
    I’ve had to work so hard on myself, It’s taken blood, sweat and tears, literally, to get to the stage I’m at now, and I’ve still got a long way to go.
    I don’t think it makes me a bad person, but I feel like this will put somewhat of a strain on a relationship (if I ever get into one).
    I’m super super grateful for being alive and having so much support, and I never want to seem like a whiny, or self-pitying, because there are people who have it far worse than I do.

    But the truth is…

    I’m scared that no one will have the patience to put up with some of my erratic behaviour. I’m scared that I’ll be like this for the rest of my life.
    I need to know that I deserve someone. That there’s someone out there who can understand me, or at least not judge me for who I am.

    This quote really speaks to me, because I feel that I’m going to start setting standards for myself. It doesn’t mean I’m never willing to compromise or that I’m holding out for someone who worships me.

    It’s a form of self-love and self-respect; I’m not perfect and I never will be, I accept that. I accept my flaws, and I accept yours. A relationship with me might not be easy, but I’ll definitely make it worth the trouble.
    I’m never going to stop improving myself, and I hope that’s enough.
    I’m done with my inner critic, all it’s ever done is make things worse.

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