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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@Rc “If any of those things I’ve speak to you, I’ll gladly listen.” Interesting. Your replies to my questions were answered with what I expected. That’s why I asked. Because what little you’ve said about her actions belied that underlying low self esteem. And her need to control the kids because she doesn’t feel in control. Her low self esteem is a troublemaker for you. Her idea that you and grandma “let the kids do whatever they want” belies her not feeling in control. Normally in a mother/father role, feminine/masculine, the mother gives unconditional love and forgives their transgressions and… Read more »

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@Sentient i see a ‘timewaster’ but it wasn’t her…lol… what do we tell Culum?… 15 minutes is not ‘too fast’?…lol where was the first place you had ‘isolation in a sex location’?… you’re slackin’, bro…lol her hindbrain was taking her for an ‘outing’ to get laid… she was DTF… you just had to convert… (seven year itch, yo!…lol) ‘a couple of minutes behind that bush over there’…lol Timewaster is that kind of mid 40s woman who is married and only plays so far… Because “married” after all… Meh. Just another complication in this thing. Annoying at times though. Short shrift… Read more »

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“missed your window…lol”

Yup lol. I bet sentient didn’t even consider the possibility of a bathroom fuck.

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@HABD

Your breakdown has me thinking tho. If there even is such a thing as a ‘timewaster’ or does it always just come down to mediocre game/missing windows?

interesting.

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Now you’re sounding like Mystery J… 😉

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RC Seriously just ignore all that “low self esteem” stuff. It is just going to put you down a well trod dog logic path of “solving for her”… “Well if she has X issue I can just do Y” etc. Pure Bullshit and betadom awaits. She is fighting for control and she won’t submit because she doesn’t yet trust you as Alpha enought to lead her. That’s the whole issue. Who has Hand. Also be careful with stuff that “makes it easier for her”, like her going to the gym to stay fit and getting back in the workforce are… Read more »

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“consider the possibility of a bathroom fuck.”

Here’s the thing. There is a mutual aspect to the bubble and she can break it just as easy as you can.

I’ll get to HABDs points tomorrow. Thanks

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Rc She has spent five years out of the labor force raising the kids and in some sense this took a toll on her – she was getting increasingly frustrated about the prospect of her life becoming meaningless after the kids were old enough to leave home. Last year she went back to work. This is what put a lot of pressure on mine; I have less time to work because I pick up kids from school – schedule just doesn’t work otherwise. This could be her going along with the social pressure on women to “have it all” by… Read more »

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Also be careful with stuff that “makes it easier for her”, like her going to the gym to stay fit and getting back in the workforce are also signals that she is looking to keep her options open. Straight up how Hypergamy works. Also be aware this is in all likelihood not a conscious act on her part.

Agree with these possibilities. Don’t let her get “one foot out of the door”.

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@AR and everybody, thanks – I’m understanding most of it I think. @AR, what do you mean by “letting her get one foot out the door”?

In the past days we’ve been joking about me getting younger colleagues instead of her – just funny teasing, though you could see her with the grim that doesn’t know how to reply. When she attempts that I give her tips. So not sure about letting her get one foot out the door; what do you mean?

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@sjf, you have very good antennas for those things. This low self esteem thing is something I have tried to address directly and indirectly a LOT in the past. I must have done it in the wrong way, because @Sentient is right, that’s part of why I’m in this situation today. And it just generated an enormous amount of frustration along the way. Lately I’ve just brought those kind of low self-esteem statements to the extreme ridicule. Most of the times she gets how silly this is, but sometimes you hear the “you became insensitive to me” sad line. If… Read more »

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@SJF Low self esteem is possibly a “poor me” attention seeking shit test? Plus it’s basically piling her shit onto you to deal with which leads to blaming you when you don’t try hard enough to sort her shit out. You can’t try hard enough and you won’t sort it out because that’s not the problem. I’m struggling to word it but my gut feeling is that her shit is her shit. She’s gotta deal with that. There’s probably some deep personal stuff here but I despise weak needy whiny women. I always just tell them to get their fucking… Read more »

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“If any of you guys have been in this situation before and want to chip in on how you dealt with it, it’s great.”

Heh. Look man she isn’t a snowflake. She’s a woman. Every guy who has been betaized has been here. It’s all her trying to control stuff because she isn’t in submission.

All the terms “low self esteem” etc. Are just rationalizations.

She isn’t submitting because you aren’t (yet) worthy of it.

Fix that and her “esteem” will go up… Lol.

Always focus on you.

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^^^ AR got this

“Poor me the martyr”
“Pity party in her head”

Fuck that shit right off. I mean straight up tell her, “get it together and stop being fucking useless and needy”

Then put your coat on and go out. Somewhere with a lot of women.

Perhaps make a night of it and crash at a friends place.

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“If there is another way to deal with this you guys let me know.”

Well ig she starts to focus on keeping YOU around it gives her less time to moan about her stuff.

On the kids thing, it’s fine to lay down the law from time to time in front of the kids. They see everything anyhow.

You are not a team. You are not codparents. Or 50/50 partners. You have no board to report to. YOU alone Starbuck are leading this thing, for good or bad. Act like it.

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@Rc

Per @Sentient:

“She isn’t submitting because you aren’t (yet) worthy of it”

Per @SJF

“because she doesn’t feel in control”

Do you see it?

No one is in control, it’s a rudderless ship and that’s what’s scaring her.

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Rc @AR, what do you mean by “letting her get one foot out the door”? If it is ok with you for her to be working for money and it’s for the family then that’s one thing. However just by being out in the world she’s associating with different people, both women and men. Women are more sensitive to group thinking than we are; they are more likely to adopt the behaviors and even beliefs of “the herd” that they are exposed to all day. Pay attention to her behaviors and subcommunications, especially right after she gets home from work.… Read more »

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Every guy who has been betaized has been here. It’s all her trying to control stuff because she isn’t in submission. I’m in agreement with Sentient and Palma on the fixes. It’s pretty axiomatic in MRP that you don’t work on fixing her. Sentient is right that focusing on the self esteem issue is a rationalization tactic. Doesn’t mean it’s not there. It just makes your burden of performance more difficult. You fix yourself. You lead her by demonstrating leadership, not explaining it to her. And yes, she will keep trying to control, including hide the vagina, until she breaks.… Read more »

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Working on your own self esteem is the solution. The correct behaviors just go on auto-pilot when you highly value yourself and your time here on earth. At least that’s my hypothesis. I have yet to field test it. The kind of shit I went through involved suicide threats, flat out banshee screaming, wailing and crying, throwing and breaking things, ripping phones out of the wall, etc. That was in response to me any time I would simply get up and start to leave after she tried starting shit with me. I could not think of anything else to do… Read more »

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@Softek

Are you out of that now?

Completely out?

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@Softek

W o w!

I thought that I had had a tough time with my last LTR (‘Babushka’) — who was every inch a faithless, feckless, reckless drama factory whom I foolishly allowed to walk all over me.

But you, sir, appear to have been taken to the depths of hell!

How did this situation resolve itself? I would be grateful for your experience, so that I can prepare myself better for my next encounter.

Props to you 😊

TantumErgo

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“The only problem was her trying to train me that comforting was the “correct” behavior, and that just getting up and leaving was “bad.” At least, that’s the impression I’m getting in hindsight. I’m not sure how accurate that is.” She was training you for that purpose. I recall a central part of your drama with her was your desire to be non exclusive and her knowledge of that. See how her antics could work to prevent that from happening? Girl card 1 – sex him into compliance. Well she did that and it didn’t work… Girl Card 2 –… Read more »

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Soften “You could say I’m not on board with the deliberately creating bad feelz schtick.” Well if you had stayed with the other girl, she would have “won” and then she’d continue to consolidate beyond just you and her being exclusive… Her drama a tool to get her way. For everything. And after a while of this and you capitulating – betaization is death by a thousand cuts – she will give up any pretense of being afraid of you leaving. And THAT’S when you start “creating bad feelz” aka “dread” – if you want to change the dynamic. And… Read more »

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good, thank you all. I hear what you guys are saying – at least I think so. Got another rejection yesterday and really was totally untouched. Today she’s testing again with questions like are you upset etc. I’m starting to see the pattern. Now, I’ve got one follow up questions for the crowd – and one report – based on @AR’s “getting the foot out the door”. @AR says “don’t let her do that”. I get what the end result of her testing the water is. But even if I don’t like it, I certainly don’t want to be a… Read more »

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@softek, thanks for posting that. I may not be en route to that level of shit, but one needs to know how bad it can get. Great you made it through.

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@Rc @sjf, you have very good antennas for those things. This low self esteem thing is something I have tried to address directly and indirectly a LOT in the past. I must have done it in the wrong way, because @Sentient is right, that’s part of why I’m in this situation today. And it just generated an enormous amount of frustration along the way. Lately I’ve just brought those kind of low self-esteem statements to the extreme ridicule. Most of the times she gets how silly this is, but sometimes you hear the “you became insensitive to me” sad line.… Read more »

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RC First of, don’t freak out. I highly doubt your wife is having an affair. pay attention to the meta analysis. The framework. This is what you must understand… The Feminine Imperitive is working against you. Always. what is the FI? Heartiste described it as “as maximally restricting a man’s sexuality while minimally restricting a woman’s”. Can you see it in play here? How you got to this – “even if I don’t like it, I certainly don’t want to be a beggar and give DLV” and how that mindset is just degrees away from : “even if I don’t… Read more »

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RC

Got another rejection yesterday and really was totally untouched.

Yeah it’s time to move on from stoic non butthurt “look at me Mommy how fine I am!” to the point where SHE is starting to feel “touched”…

“On that dulcet note, reader Sentient demonstrates by example,”

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6-1a0PzFonAJ:https://heartiste.net/asshole-game-week-the-relationship-reset/+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Spot the “pointy stick of no” and dread…

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“And after a while of this and you capitulating – betaization is death by a thousand cuts – she will give up any pretense of being afraid of you leaving.” I had forgotten that Softek had used that lifesaving plot device of non-exclusivity in his non-girlfriend narrative. Which reminds me of a few things. Kindness and niceness (or conversely cunning hind-brain of a woman) can be a killer. I watched the whole Magnolia (1999) movie this past week. Tom Cruise play Frank Mackey, loosely based on Ross Jeffries. PUA/RSD like guy. It was a big ensemble cast. Aimee Mann did… Read more »

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@ Palma Yep. Completely out now. We’ve had sex a few times since it ended months ago, but by her initiative alone (hitting me up and asking me if I want my dick sucked/if I want to fuck her, etc.), and she has not pulled any manipulative BS before or after those encounters. It isn’t regular enough to be a FB relationship. As far as I’m concerned it’s completely over, and whatever interactions I’ve had with her since have been on my terms, oddly enough without me even consciously setting any terms. I literally just did nothing, let her exit… Read more »

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Soooooo when you started to treat her like an Alpha fuckbuddy would, she started to respond like an Alpha’s fuckbuddy?

Lol. Those dots connected enough for you are do you need an etched fucking diagram?

Good on you. Learn the lesson. YOUR behavior influences HER behavior.

As far as killing the Beta. Start to follow The Platinum Rule – do whatever YOU want to do, whenever YOU want to do it.

Leads to alpha behavior.

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@Softek Many thanks for sharing your tale of woe — this is something of an eye-opener for me, as I am the neophyte here, having resolutely refused to unplug from the Matrix despite ALL the warning signs in my previous relationships … so now only swallowing / choking-down the RP with as much relish as I can muster. Sounds like you went through a total war of attrition — but managed to come out of it, despite being scathed — in more or less one piece: this, it seems to me, by NOT giving your ex-girlfriend what she wanted: attention,… Read more »

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@ Sentient
@Softek

“Learn the lesson. YOUR behavior influences HER behavior.

As far as killing the Beta. Start to follow The Platinum Rule – do whatever YOU want to do, whenever YOU want to do it.
Leads to alpha behavior.”

THIS … The Platinum Rule = My new Cardinal Rule. smile

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@ Sentient I am not completely opposed to the idea of an etched diagram. I’m convinced my thick skull came from being dropped on my head multiple times as a baby. I have the dents to prove it. I tend to overthink everything, perhaps because of the guilt complex. Platinum Rule = Following your gut instinct, IMO. So many times I’ve wanted to leave a situation, or say No, but immediately would ignore/suppress it because I thought it would make someone uncomfortable or upset with me, etc. My first auto-pilot tendency is to ignore my gut and prioritize accommodating the… Read more »

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Tantum

To fully appreciate The Platinum Rule compare and contrast with The Golden Rule.

The GOLDEN RULE – do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Perfect for creating supplicants, covert contracts, losers and an impotent MPoO…

Wonder why THAT caught on?

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@ Tantum I’m not sure if it’s ongoing. It seems pretty random, could end at any time. I don’t really pay any attention to it at all. But am always down for it if she wants to swing by to hook up. Early after the breakup I felt needy a couple times and would try to get her to have sex with me and…medium is the message. She completely ignored those messages or would reply with something completely unrelated. I did that once or twice before tiring of degrading myself so I stopped completely. Then some months later she just… Read more »

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@softek

“My first auto-pilot tendency is to ignore my gut and prioritize accommodating the people around me.”

Your gut is not your gut, it is the subconscious part of your brain recognising patterns of behaviour it has seen before. It is trying to protect you from negative consequences.

Accommodating people around you is appeasing – falling into their frame – deal with that because it’s not good.

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@Sentient

My neophyte understanding of what you are saying:

The Golden Rule does all as you say it does… and has created a false reciprocity not actually reciprocated by women, but exploited by the FI for the purpose of subjugating men for the furtherment of their sexual strategy.

The Golden Rule plays to men’s rationality and requires compliance.

The Platinum Rule flips the switch: No pretence at reciprocity, and preys upon women’s emotionality and inheherent insecurities; they can no longer pretend that they are in control.

Dynamite! 😊

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HABD You know “Timewaster” is somewhat tongue in cheek. It is interesting though because I’ve had half a dozen of these types act like this and they all have one thing in common, been divorced. Of course other divorced ones worked out so that’s not an efficient screen. But is a common factor. Some other data points… where was the first place you had ‘isolation in a sex location’?… Hehe the car. Interesting thing there. So when we left the bar, walking out towards the car, here I would normally take her hand and lead her out. I was on… Read more »

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Tantum

not actually reciprocated by women,

Well it’s broader than women, it’s society at large. Do your work, clean your room, keep your head down, wait your turn – great is your reward… later. after you are dead…

Good for parents, teachers, employers, The State etc…

Bad for liberty, freedom and MPoO

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Tantum

and The Platinum rule is the path towards attaining Alpha.

https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

Alpha is not a beard and a 400lb dead and a cigar and a lisp…

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@Sentient “she made a face like she wasn’t into it” shit test. “I said I wasn’t that into it either, she asked if my wife liked it, I said not really sure, it’s not my thing, we’ve done it but meh… she said you should do it for your wife… haha”. yeah. just a missed opportunity to go deeper (heh) into sex talk. “you look like you don’t like anal.” You’ve tried it before and it was a bad experience/didn’t do it for you?” or go into a descriptive sex story of your own about fucking a girl (not your… Read more »

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@softy

“The part that sucks is she explicitly told me earlier on in the relationship she’d be down for threesomes”.
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Aight lesson learned. Now stop feeling sorry for yourself and go out and get another one.

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that would have kept the bubble going….

True, true…

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@ Softek Hindsight is a wonderful thing, as they say. Interesting parallels for me with my experience with Babushka. She, too, was down for threesomes, but I declined, despite also being a pervert in essence, and this because I developed feelings for her (I fell in love with her), and thought that being monagamous was the way to go (v e r y Beta of me). Initially she had a voracious sexual appetite for me, during the attraction >> idealisation phase of our relationship… then she delivered the ultimate shit test: she told me that she had no objection to… Read more »

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@ Sentient

“and The Platinum rule is the path towards attaining Alpha.

https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

Alpha is not a beard and a 400lb dead and a cigar and a lisp…”

And so my path begins… Many thanks, Sentient — both for the theory (Alpha Triad) and the practice.

I am looking forward to field testing some of these ideas.

TantumErgo

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@ Tantum We sound similar in terms of knowing better, but defaulting to stupid auto-pilot Beta behaviors due to anxiety and overthinking. As long as you learned your lesson, all is well. It just gives you a better opportunity to have more solid Frame in your next relationship, and totally avoid the pitfalls you made in the last one. This is the diamond I’m holding on to that was refined out of the near 4 year experience I went through in my last relationship. He is best prepared for trouble who sees it coming from afar. What does your Frame… Read more »

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@ Softek Thanks for your reply and further thoughts which are expressed very well. At the risk of trying to verbalise what Frame feels like to me, simply put: it is the natural, authentic expression of who I am. 😊 I am naturally a social, gregarious and outgoing person who is interested in other people. I barely recognised myself at the end of my time with Babushka… I was withdrawn, uncertain, and somewhat anti-social… I had compromised and adapted to reflect HER character traits (she was typical BPD introvert: no women friends, only a gay best friend (token woman friend)… Read more »

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A general understanding of how the language works is best. Over-analyzing never leads to anything productive. One problem with PUA is it has a tendency to pedestalize guys who have legendary levels of Game, to the point where Game looks like something extremely unnatural and complicated, like learning how to play one of Paganini’s Caprices on violin. And then most guys just give up figuring it’s only the top 1%, the uber elite, that can ever hope to develop such skills. It seems freakish, unnatural, unattainable, and extremely complicated. Not good. And not an accurate picture of the reality of… Read more »

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$oftek

Great post…

“But you can communicate a lot without being fluent.”

This…

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Haven’t posted here for a while but reading the comments thought this was worth sharing. I’m reading a lot of comments which I think are mostly trolls but definitely older dudes debunking game or suggesting that some form of payment or exhange is needed to meet younger higher girls. Recently I met a hot slim young girl probably 23/24. At dance party. I initiated game by first negging her and teasing her. Of course every other young boy was clamouring for attention. I ran into her again a few weeks later and she was immediately picking up where we left… Read more »

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@ Walawala

“I want to be lead and told what I should do…”

I bet there was a lot more to that.

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@Walawala

“The bitch shield drops and the rest of our time is just bantering with he clear subtext that this is about banging at some point”

At some point? Interaction looked good for a SNL from my end. Bad logistics?

“I suggested meeting up again she was going away so I left it”

Or you purposely not going for the close in order to close em’ after 3 meetups?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/girls-who-want-sleep-you-usually-know-it-right-away

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@j Palma. The logistics were horrible on this…she works late nights and was going on holiday this week.

Definitely not a sdl situation and high done this enough you learn to read the signs.

The point of the post wasn’t a field report it was to wake dudes who are older up to the fact that game is real.

Anyway…get back to those keyboards boys there’s posts that need trolling!

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@walawala

I want trolling, just occurred to me that there was a whole lot more to what she said.

Probably – there isn’t any masculinity or leadership or dominance in her life, she desperately wants some and that’s common with a lot of younger women.

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@Palma This is exactly why I posted this story. This is a girl who is otherwise quite guarded but very open. Imagine being 24 and surrounded by…betas and boys all clamouring for your attention. Suddenly a guy who’s older and who you’re not supposed to be with makes a bold move and asks you out, blows past your shit-tests and then when asked “What would you have done if I said no?” says: “Then you wouldn’t be sitting here..” I think a lot of guys are settling or selling themselves short by not understanding game and the reasons for her… Read more »

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Good stuff Wala…

Yeah Game is lost. Last few weeks at Le Chateau the comments were all game deniers. Easily debunked, never persuaded.

Between the Lookism retards, the beard boys, the just lifters, the Lambo crowd and just straight fags… It’s over.

More for us. 😎👙

Maybe one day West Indian Archie will get his Magnum Opus together…

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** wasn’t trolling.. damn, left my spectacles by my Rolodex.

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For those game aficionados – in the Hemingway sense – this promises to be a good discussion series.

http://www.westindianarchie.com/technical-game-bible-review-pt-1-of-3/

Archie is the best.

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Definitive historical overview of the development of Game here

http://www.westindianarchie.com/state-of-the-community/

I wish he would finish that book…

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@Sentient

Good stuff

“Young Guys that are doing old school structured game”

Tell Archie he left out the top group from that list:

Ultimate Man Project

Youtube page is pretty empty (they also have a book coming out soon), but they’ve uploaded several hour+ long Q&As on their Facebook group not on Youtube.

And there’s also NYC based LuxLife

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The end of pua game will come at the hands of the ” sleep with her on the first night “. It’s like thinking that playing guitar is only about 30 seconds of shredding. An overwhelming majority of guys trying to learn and understand Game will fail miserably at that tactic, when they could actually be better served by learning how to game women anywhere at any time, and in the process have as much sex as they want under their own terms, while having women willing to crawl over broken glass to be around them genuinely. No/very little pretense.… Read more »

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Croatia?

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Lol, Brooklyn ain’t what it used to be. 😂 Kansas has moved in.

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“An overwhelming majority of guys trying to learn and understand Game will fail miserably at that tactic, when they could actually be better served by learning how to game women anywhere at any time” “Idk about teaching younger men to adopt a ” cad ” attitude ( cadditude). Imo that’s not game” No shit. But attitude/swagger is part of it (inner game to be exact) “pua game is a little like a guy saying ” dude, I went to burger king and got a whopper the very first time!! And I made them hold the cheese!!! “” ………… this is… Read more »

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😂

Most men will NEVER have swagger, internal or external. And swagger varies from region to region. It’s not a requirement.

Burger king baby!!! That shit was accurate.

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“Most men will NEVER have swagger, internal or external”.

that’s a real shame.

“Burger king baby!!! That shit was accurate”.
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@Sentient HABD You know “Timewaster” is somewhat tongue in cheek. right back at ya…lol… It is interesting though because I’ve had half a dozen of these types act like this and they all have one thing in common, been divorced. hypergamy + willingness to act on it = DTF… lol… just gotta ping that hypergamy… plus avoid ANY potential for a ‘branch swing’…lol… = AF stud vibe only… Of course other divorced ones worked out so that’s not an efficient screen. But is a common factor. Some other data points… “where was the first place you had ‘isolation in a… Read more »

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@Rc I noticed commenter Liz made mention of Athol Kay’s new book on the 21Con thread. And I had recommended reading chapter 4 of BPP’s book. And I know you were having issues with getting books on tablets and computers shared with your wife. And a quick google search reveals an AskMRP reddit thread was asking about the new book. (And it was thought to be redundant to his and BPP’s distillation of his former work.) And BPP posted this, a synopsis of the tactics in his ch. 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/3qplxm/the_husbands_dilemma_when_to_withhold_affection/ In the context of the 12 stages/steps of dread: https://archive.is/3dR2h… Read more »

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Whopper metaphor = Game should be just like going out and getting something you want without thinking about it. And you enjoy it and move on without thinking about it. Think of how you feel when you go grocery shopping. You just go naturally without thinking and get what you want without placing any particular importance on anything and then go about your day afterwards. By making a big deal out of it, it makes it seem unnatural, like someone making a really big deal about ordering a hamburger and thinking it was supremely Alpha to ask them to hold… Read more »

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@j @HABD Your breakdown has me thinking tho. If there even is such a thing as a ‘timewaster’ or does it always just come down to mediocre game/missing windows? interesting. if she is out ALONE… at a bar… and the kids/husband are gone… (and now that i re-read the situ… even her ‘ubering’ in to town is an indicator bc she doesn’t have to deal with a car… and is free to ‘follow her feelz’…lol)… = her hindbrain is trying to get her laid…lol… she might even consciously ‘think’ she is only going out for some ‘validation’… but ‘attraction/arousal’ is… Read more »

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@ HABD

thanks for sharing that breakdown, very thorough and insightful

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@softy “By making a big deal out of it, it makes it seem unnatural, like someone making a really big deal about ordering a hamburger and thinking it was supremely Alpha to ask them to hold the cheese — and they listened! Like it’s a big conquest or something”. I get your thinking. But its a bad apology. because EVERYONE (a 10 year old boy, a 75 years old man, a paraplegics, hell even a woman! lol) can do that. See Burger King. Wait in line. Order your 2 for $6 combo. Pay. Done. NOT everyone can fuck hot 21… Read more »

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Tinder = No game, hoping to get lucky in her frame.

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Softek You know my history. I didn’t even know there was a thing called pua until I was already 50+. I always believed that game was a way to have the women you want, wherever you find then, without limitations. Sure, I grew up with guys that held their nuts until they could go ” out ” and pull a snl, but it left them kinda…vulnerable in a way. Better to wake up, decide ” I would like some hot sex with a fine gal “, and to out and make that happen, regardless of the time of day, or… Read more »

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@blax

“Tinder = No game, hoping to get lucky in her frame”.

lol yup. Go through this slideshow for lolz

https://www.playingfire.com/hot-18-year-old-tinder-lr-ridiculous-persistence/

and this from an online game “expert”

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Sentient Yeah Game is lost. Last few weeks at Le Chateau the comments were all game deniers. Easily debunked, never persuaded. Comments at that site were pretty much worthless 2 or more years ago. Between the Lookism retards, the beard boys, the just lifters, the Lambo crowd and just straight fags… It’s over. Yeah, Lookism really reminds me of the Calhoun Mouse Utopia experiment: towards the end, some male mice just groomed themselves constantly, never mating, he referred to them as “The Beautiful Ones”. Extreme Lookism here: https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/incel-plastic-surgery.html Yeah, this guy has a lot more issues than looks – it… Read more »

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J Begging motherfuckers make me 😠. Unless…he was banging other chicks the entire time he was tindering this broad. That exchange was painful. Wyd? Dtf? Dhurrr…. Honestly, it I had to depend on apps and shit, I’d just do a Roosh and become religiously anti fornication. I’ve only ever pulled 2 chicks off the net ( not an app ) just to see what it was like, but even then I wasn’t going to be endlessly typing some chick asking to fuck. Her : I can’t. I’m babysitting. Me: ( radio silence) Her: hello? Hello? Blocked. Done. I’ve waited months… Read more »

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@sjf,

thanks a lot! Indeed, I found that link about stage 4 dread right yesterday, while scoping out mrp for more, and was wondering if that is what you had in mind. I went back to read the reconstructions essays, and the post on mental point of origin. I have a little experiment going on about that concept – if I get enough action out of it, I’ll report back.

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J lol yup. Go through this slideshow for lolz and this from an online game “expert” Lolz. Bob Guccione called on the Ouija board, he’s peeved that someone is ripping off his Letter style… “Dear Penthouse, I used to think Tinder would never work for me, but then something happened I never expected. It’s all true, really it is. There was this girl….” He’s marketing a book to AFC’s. Everything on the web site points to selling the book. I don’t care what’s in the book, his “persistence” game is basically begging for scraps from the table. I’ve seen dogs… Read more »

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“Got to buy some more copies of Rollo’s book to give to young men…”

Geee… Wait a sec! Guyz!!! Guyz!!!

Imagine this… Imagine there was some kind of meet up where this stuff could be taught LIVE to guys!!!

Nah… Let’s focus on teaching taint waxing and how to lease a Lambo for a week…

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@HABD “It is interesting though because I’ve had half a dozen of these types act like this and they all have one thing in common, been divorced. hypergamy + willingness to act on it = DTF…” …some women are less willing than others among the older set…I’ve had questions about server girls having authentic romantic interest…I’ve been noticing that some “public service” girls (bartenders and waitresses) vary in their “game”…some have a strong “DTF” flirt vibe going where they want very direct responses (they are girls looking for validation like all the girls) and other girls will blow kisses at… Read more »

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“I’ve waited months to bang particular chicks, but I wasn’t sitting on my dick the whole time. Usually the long game chicks weren’t going to fuck me. Ever. Their words.”

And you believed them? But when girls say, “Let’s Just Be Friends,” you’re not even in the long game.

The biggest problem with long game is girls’ short attention spans and attraction windows closing. Even over a weekend. If you realize this, you can build attraction again, but it’s easy to bank on the windows still being open, and that’s a mistake.

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Asd

I can’t easily recall girls saying ” let’s just be friends “. I mean, I’ve had lots and lots of female friends, and a few of them turned into sexual partners at some point ( fwb as they say today ), but haven’t had chicks verbalize that sentiment.

That would suck.

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Blax, There were a couple of girls in college who said, LJBF, and I never paid them any attention after that. They were both surprised that I ghosted them, but no point investing in them. Recently I thought that one girl was friend-zoning me, but I probably misunderstood her signal that she wanted to leave with me. The girl told me that her friends had gone home and she didn’t want to be alone at the bar and she told me that she was leaving when she was leaving. Lol, sometimes I miss signals. In my defense, she wasn’t giving… Read more »

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@ Blax That comment hit a nerve for me, so get ready for an Anti-Field Report, Tales from the Blue Pill. My main point, before I get started, is how important it is for guys like us who know better to help younger guys and set them on the right path when we can. IMO it’s the main point of TRP aside from improving our own lives. If we have sons, nephews, kids we work with, or whatever, I feel like it’s our job to be the best masculine role models we can be. For most kids today true masculine… Read more »

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Mini report. Expansion on the mini-mini report I did earlier: Was at a party. Felt super depressed, did my usual stunt of sitting alone a little drunk and a little high and just watching people. My first instinct is always just to find the farthest corner and plop myself down, no matter how hard I try to resist it, always my first impulse. After I was there for a while, I go outside for a cigarette. A girl I’d met there before excitedly said she remembered my face. “Oh, I remember you. You were so nice to me! I didn’t… Read more »

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@Softek

I’m sorry to read your long field report and I haven’t had time to thoroughly digest it yet but something stands out here and that’s that there are too many drugs and alcohol involved in this scene.

From where I’m sitting you had solid IOI’s from a girl but you didn’t do anything to pull the trigger because you weren’t thinking clearly enough.

Tell us a bit more about your life, age? do you work? if so, roughly doing what? and do you have any sports or stuff that you do?

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@ Palma I’m 29, work from parents’ house. Without getting too specific, I hand craft some products and sell them online, but the bulk is people bringing jobs to me here where my workshop is set up. They pick it up their piece when I’m done. Cash business. No sports at the moment. Been working out daily, but by myself in my home gym setup; that’s about as close to sports as I’ve gotten lately. I am completely reclusive aside from the odd party, and the couple friends I have left that are around once in a while. Most of… Read more »

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@softec

Ok

Come up with a plan to get yourself in an environment where you are interacting with volume men and women as many days of the week as possible.

Including ugly fat old women you don’t want to fuck and other men who you don’t necessarily want to socialise with.

The first rule of this is it needs to be achievable, outside of that it doesn’t matter at this stage.

What are your options here?

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Hey guys can any of you please tell me where I can find RSD Julien’s hotseat or other infield clips. Any torrent or other sites I can download it from?

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Soften “which IMO was her telling me she gets reckless when she’s drunk, then looking at me and said she felt like doing it now…I just blanked. Brain = stopped. I honestly just didn’t know what to say. ” Well because there is nothing to SAY at that point. You just act. Escalate physically. Pull in, make out and get to business. If there are too many people around just lead her someplace private, outside is easy. Take her hand, “come. Let’s get some air” or smoke or whatever… Doesn’t matter. What matters is you lead. You lead her out.… Read more »

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ASD

“I think that I answered my own question about girls having romantic interest when they are serving you…”

Lol. You answered it but not correctly.

Look man we’ve been down this road. Discount 99.98% of service girl interest UNLESS you can make a move on her – date to meet up, number, make out etc.

Until then you are a wallet.

Fuck it. Discount 100%. It’s not real unless you prove it.

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@Rc Even though that operant conditioning is a bit formulaic, it is still based on you having the frame and mental point of origin that you are the prize and have to attitude to invite your wife along on a healthy ride with you and the kids. The formula and the process are means to an end and getting more competent. Later to be set aside and be natural and free-wheeling. This little story goes to that attitude. I was listening to Dr. Laura Schlessinger last night. She is a Trad-Con that believes in a wife treating her husband kindly… Read more »

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@Softek Good post – and surely a common experience for most guys growing up in the Third Wave of Feminism: Open Hypergamy https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-121/#comment-276947 And, in particular, this: “And it does suck. But mostly because of the bigger picture: it only happens (chronically) to guys who have no clue. And they have no clue because of their childhood lack of masculine influence/instruction/bonding, and the cycle repeats through the teens and even well into the 20’s and beyond, until they stumble upon a resource like this blog or by some miracle find some guy to help them, and show them the light.… Read more »

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@Sentient I’m trying to figure out server girl mentality. Here’s my understanding–tell me if I’m wrong. Server girls share tips and are paid a low hourly wage. On weekend nights it’s all hands on deck–nobody is getting sent home early. Yet, despite the community pot system, these girls are very competitive. They complain about other girls getting customers in their area. One whined when I hit up a bartender instead of her for a drink. And I’m not a big tipper by any means. She said that I should be loyal to her since she danced with me. (Not really,… Read more »

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What!!???!!!??!!??

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@sjf, thanks. I think that short story also points out that I still have a lot of work on self-improvement in a masculine direction that I’ve got to do – I cannot imagine my wife pronouncing the same words.
By the way, at the link you pointed above there is a comment by jacktenofhearts that is also really really good. Mentioning just in case somebody else around here finds it useful.

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Go back to sleep, Blax.

Well, I can’t talk about someone else’s experience, but I see certain server girls going home with guys they just met.

[Peanut gallery’s gonna throw peanuts, lol.]

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