Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

15,699 comments on “Field Reports

  1. Newly

    Anithing that is not butt hurt and you flow on from is good. It’s not a rejection of you, it’s just a diagnostic to see how far along you are and you can gauge off of from there.

  2. @HABD, i know – it’d be reacting to her, but I would only say that line with the biggest zfg shit eating grin and raised eyebrow smirk I could muster.

    Or would you just act like it didn’t happen and talk about something unrelated?

  3. @Sentient

    The girl had you in her frame all along…and you liked it…you had rapport and it felt good…you need a dominance play…get her to address you as “Sir” when you do something courteous for her, like opening a door…you also need something to throw her mentally/emotionally/socially off balance. Her steel frame was the test. You never broke it. You were the cool daddy who knows stuff.

    Then she says “here take my number, we can get together tomorrow” punch it in and she is like “call it to male sure”

    Here we have her making sure of her investment. Really, she wants to be treated like a slut. Mrs. Gamer puts out the same bullshit about being treated like a lady. She likes being pawed and worked up and she likes to paw. And Mrs. Gamer has the same steel frame, so I know what it looks like.

    When the girl went to give you her number, you could have made her chase harder, “I’m not sure you’re into me…I know what it looks like when a girl is into me.” That’s something a hot guy might say when a girl is trying to BB his ass.

    The girl might be the girl friend of some mobster and he might buy her nice stuff. The investor thing might be part of her game.

    But she was really hot, so it’s easy to get caught up in her frame.

  4. @Sentient

    (Side note first, skip the first paragraphs to get to how I read your FR: I think this is great as it may shed some light on the overall disagreement on ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ definitions. I really like HABD’s explanation that “any ‘beta’ [as in ‘provisioner’ NOT ‘loser’] necessarily means less ‘alpha’ [as in ‘superior’]”. A bit like ‘selfless’ vs ‘selfish’, ‘giver’ vs ‘taker’, even if both come from an ‘alpha’ mindset. See here for more HABD’s wisdom: https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/31/smv-and-the-aging-process/comment-page-6/#comment-176936)

    Don’t know what your previous experience with EE girls is, but I agree with everything @dirka dirka wrote about them in response to Mitch: “[…] she inhabits three worlds, you just one” (all his comments there are gold: https://therationalmale.com/2017/08/28/mitchs-red-pill/comment-page-4/#comment-213069). They are much better tuned to various nuances than women living their whole life in ‘one world’. They know how to navigate between different worlds as well. That’s a different level of game, Inception style.

    Think of a woman who realizes that her position as a female enables her to move from the bottom to the top, from one world (of status, social order, life philosophy, …) to another. She’s deeply rooted in her EE heritage, traditional roles, stereotypes, idealisms AND she’s able to taste the lifestyle of the wealthier West and be part of it too. She’s like a little Cinderella who knows deep inside she must represent a higher value than her step-sisters who always had ‘more’ (which is ‘easier’, so also gets associated with ‘shallow’). She’s aware of her beauty AND her intellectual and, as she perceives it, emotional depth. I remember a Russian girl I teased and shit tested early on in our interaction (with references to fur, vodka, high heels etc.) and she immediately spat out that I had forgotten to mention reading Bulgakov, Chekhov, listening to Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev and watching Tarkovsky.

    An EE girl thinks of herself as a woman of ‘higher standards’ and proves it by demonstrating her style, taste, education, knowledge, travel experience and what have you. She BELIEVES she deserves to be treated better than other women and will test you harder. She’ll also make it more difficult for you to read her. No wonder your spider sense pings she’s a Pro.

    But they’re all just girls. So stay focused, the game is on.

    I think you started well: an alpha stud, a mystery, a calm and deeply rooted oak tree, a leader amongst the grey crowd of sheep. She feels some tingles, you’re on her radar now. Yet, her ‘higher value’ egg needs certainty. You need to be 100% alpha, otherwise you’re beta. Just because she can convert each missing 1% to 2% and so on… She’s patient… And beta with finesse is still beta, just more fun to be with (when you’re back home, reread all @dirka dirka’s posts in Mitch’s thread with the main focus on the EE girl’s mindset; it’s all there).

    You lead and take her places. She follows, she’s charmed, but doesn’t know if that’s Richard Gere (Pretty Woman) or a guy who’ll just make her his little slut and ruin her body and her soul. Because these are ‘beta’ and ‘alpha’ traits she’s looking for… and “any ‘beta’ necessarily means less ‘alpha'”

    So i lead her to this place down a dark alley to a bare metal door with a rough dude standing outside. She gives a me “this real?” Look.

    “Dark alley? Bare metal door? Rough dude?” – the little hamster squeaks and gets aroused – “where are we going? what’s going to happen? can this be alpha?”

    Lot of playful stuff, some of the time my arm is around her as we talk and laser, some of the time I am pushing her away and making fun of her.

    “… or is he a charming beta?”

    How long does it last? One hour? Two? @Culum, hit him, this time it’s your turn! 30 minutes my ass… lol…

    Do you remember my last FR? I was ‘stuck’ at the same stage until she mentioned a ‘bad boy’ and our ‘great conversation’. Time to change gears, Sentient!

    My go to move is to touch their hair, grab them firmly at the bottom of the skull and slowly pull… I comment on the feeling, especially how it makes ME feel when I do it to them.

    A kiss is much closer to BF behaviors. Hair pull can’t be mistaken that easily…

    She says “You are man you should be on street side to protect me” i joke with her and say she is my shield i am too pretty… But I do switch at the corner and she likes that. Euro girls…

    “Oh, so not an asshole after all”…. Another -0.5%… can’t be both…

    I go to kiss her again she tries the cheek. I pull back and laser shake my head no. She comes in for a kiss but not a full make out. Some light kissing.

    “Not sure yet, not quite beta I’m used to, but not 100% alpha… don’t let him off the hook though… need to ping more… worst case he’ll offer good feels or other goods… free investment, he hasn’t made me chase him, he’s doing all the work… win win…”

    It vibrates and she is smiling “i like it when it vibrates”

    “Little tease… bait… has work on every other man I know, we’ll bring this one back for sure…”

    I looked her up

    You mean online? Well, she’s on your mind… only 99 steps left to ONEities. Can you see how easy it was to get to Mitch’s soul?

    Now what was interesting is that she was undeniably super hot, and smart, sophisticated, a lady and also a child. And I found myself really drawn into this vortex of positive feminine energy…

    See above. Fine EE engineering at its best. Resource secured. Validation, self assessment confirmation, good time… She got it all.

    Up the alpha…

    Raw sex appeal… Here it was more like a perfect possession.

    You weren’t raw enough. She dominated the vibe. She got to the soul of your dick…
    Hold on to her, she may give your dick a female orgasm soon lol….

    It was more like I felt well of course now here is my hot Russian girlfriend… Like we were dating. Fucking rom comming… Seriously i could see myself having a nice lobster salad and sancerre lunch… Do a little shopping and THEN go back to bang… Just enjoying her company.

    You get it, you just don’t want to let go of the feeling. Ahhh…. feeelzzzz….
    You want another date or what?
    OLTR+ONSs to MLTRs?

    Where’s the sharp Sentient?!
    Take it as a challenge and let the ancient wisdom keep you safe:
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3f/d0/e0/3fd0e0c2632a016761ebe691ceecf71d–mermaid-song-mermaid-pics.jpg

  5. @Blacker Pill
    Okay gentlemen. Update on the text reply. It got stuck in one checkmark limbo. My ass got blocked without ever telling her she’s a cunt and I play hockey.

    It happens, part of the process. Another reference experience. All good, look:

    You had an HB10 throwing herself at you = you CAN have HB10s.

    You missed the subtle IOIs and didn’t act on them = if it’s you, you can fix it (now you know what to look for).

    You didn’t have clarity on what you want = if it’s you, you can fix it (and stop sending mixed signals).

    You thought you weren’t worthy = …you can fix it (she was throwing herself at you!).

    Damn, you can even make a good DHV/comfort story out of it and make fun of it:

    …so I come up with this brilliant idea: girls are constantly nagged by guys sending the flat messages… but they need something different… a funny spike, an interesting story, something that shows that life isn’t boring… Hold on…. you’re not easily offended are you?! …. No? So get that… I decide to send her… *serious face, eye contact*… ‘Fuck you cunt! I play hockey!’…. I know right? What an asshole! Hahaha…. No, I didn’t send it, I’m not THAT thick lol… Oh yeah? What would YOU do if a guy sent you this? …

    lol

  6. “I know a man half my age who was a male model and is a lot richer than I am. Girls stop and turn their heads when he walks through the mall. If he stands still, cute girls appear from nowhere and start conversations with him. But then nothing happens. Money and looks gets your foot in the door, but it does not get you laid. His problem is that he is far too nice.”

    http://blog.jim.com/culture/chicks-dig-jerks/

  7. @dr zipper (on the previous page)

    Was it one of your first approaches after getting married and rusty? Good work man.

    I had the same thoughts as @j when the other dude showed up. It wasn’t an obstacle, rather a great opportunity to have the friend occupied and to create a little bubble in a semi-isolation with the target. Not necessarily AMOG him, just keep the frame, ask him to join you (share value) but over there, that’s your seat here (he asked you so was ready to move), continue chatting, done. MM classic.

    What about sexualizing? Do you think you went beyond flirty but friendly, i.e. did she go home thinking about having sex (with you)?

    https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/227-how-i-escalate-to-ensure-sex-on-1st-date

  8. Some good stuff IRL to both us. I had a few russian women work for me so I know what Dirka and you are saying and did use all the typical stuff, high heels to get bread, how hard russian school was and how easy us uni was etc. And my kino was pretty aggressive, arm around her, hand on back of neck, hand palm up resting in her lap her hand in mine. At one point I said she was terrible and put her in a headlock lol her head buried in my side. But yeah I could have gone more sexualizing and menacing.

    Not sure on any provider play since it was clear I’m traveling through and have a home life etc. She had a glass of wine just took a few sips and a half app… 20?

    Ah well… life and play on. She comes out tonight it’s on else fuck her… I did play hockey…. lolz

  9. IRL – other than the one girl last week in line at the ball game, it’s my first shot at opening a multi-girl set with just a pick up angle in almost 20yrs; anything else had just been flirting with not much real possibility for more

    back in the day, I could get laid but it was more haphazard cuz I didn’t really understand what the fuck was really happening, BP all the way; shit didn’t make sense… now it does but knowing and doing are different

    turning a male competitor into an ally seems advanced at the moment but if it comes up again, I’ll give it a go; I’m still juggling all the shit in my head w/ just one girl at a time… technician-grade pickup at best

    both with this set and the girl in line, I was fine with the lazering, zfg, kino, etc. but almost zero on sexualization…. gotta bump that up about 10 notches; what’s funny is that outside of these scenarios, I’m usually the nastiest fucker in the bunch; which btw is how I got laid a lot way back when…. a girl would be watching me from afar and seeing me w/ bros surely radiated AF…. but with the girl right in front of me, BP pussy personified… cringe

    thanks for the link

  10. Hahaha @IRL and Sentient.

    Good FR Sentient – IRL has got a lot of it.

    My main thought when reading it was whether you were sexualizing enough but I see you’ve already said you probably weren’t. I didn’t see any references to the usual sexual innuendo and double entendres.

    More generally the whole vibe reminded a lot of the interactions I had in 2015 with the girl HABD “Epiphany Chick” – it’s almost like I was enjoying her company and feminine energy so much that I never got around to escalating. The solution was to escalate and it taught me to push forward a lot harder in all subsequent interactions..

  11. @dr zipper

    If I make one suggestion: you are conflating the idea of male competetors and Gaming. There is a masculine life out there and there is a feminine life out there. And you want to keep these lives polarized. Masculine polarized with feminine.

    Just for the sake of reference, there is also aligning yourself with men in shared tasks. Cultivating guy friends as if your dating/fucking life depended on it. You can participate in fight club and talk about guy stuff with another guy. From personal experience, the better I cultivated guy friends and had my little fucking tribe of guys, the more I could deal with my own personal self improvement with Game. Score some guy friends that you form a tribe with.

    …. a girl would be watching me from afar and seeing me w/ bros surely radiated AF….

    It’s really a thing and little talked about. (I tend to jabber on about it.) Because the Alpha guys that can crush it with women and PUA Game, don’t actually need that. They have apex Alpha traits. They don’t need that. Us greater Beta and lesser Alpha guys can benefit by having a posse/tribe of guys to buffer the Gaming of Women. And not a buffer in a negative sense. A very positive influence on your own personal game that men these days often lack. A lot of today’s men lack a group of men to discuss guy shit with. That’s why someone actually invented the Manosphere. That’s why Rollo invented TRM. You can extend that to IRL (in real life). It is very valuable to do that.

    But I don’t want to minimize how hard it is to find a guy or group of guys to hang out with. It is very difficult and you shouldn’t force guy masculine relationships, unless you resonate with their personalities. There are a lot of douches out there, it’s hard to find someone to hang with. And guys that are worth hanging with are often very much on the move and have their own agendas. So I emphasize, it is difficult to hang with a valuable male, preferably a Red Pill Guy, but one that has interests aligned with yours. (There is a high percentage flake rate. Keep that in mind. But if you are never up, you are never in.)

    (I was at a MLB game yesterday with a mixed group of older couples and younger singles, with some of the girls being really quite intriguingly attractive. That was fun in a great setting. What made it a lot of fun was the cohesiveness and the familiarity of the tribe that assembled. Social Circle Game. Glad to hear of your field report, BTW.)

  12. @Sentient

    I didn’t mean ‘provider’ in $ value. Sometimes they just want to be entertained. Not sure how to categorize attention whoring, playing hard to get, wanting some Rom Com moments… Would that be pinging as ‘beta’ or just not 100% ‘alpha’. Same shit… Either way, up the alpha, escalate… Play to win, don’t play not to lose.

    Also… you’re saying you’re just visiting… but she knows you’re a regular, you told her (“20 years”) and SHOWED her… no rush (she hasn’t chased so far). And who’s saying that experience/goods provider can be only one? $20 here, $60 there, new cool bar elsewhere, shoes, cinema tickets, connections… Or maybe you decide to take her with you on a business trip to another city… Possibilities are endless…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2482913/Erin-Wotherspoon-aspiring-actress-dates-dinner-hit-list-fancy-restaurants.html

    @dr zipper

    Maybe I missed this info previously, but have you read Mystery Method?

  13. irl – haven’t read MM but have exposure to it from this site and many others; also read up other places trying to soak up as much RP as possible…. ya know, the ‘R’ part of ‘R&D’ lol

    I might specifically target MM but right now another buffer is the last thing I need…. time to get out there and get the ‘D’

    no, not that ‘D’ you fucking homos, ‘D’ as in Development…. action, doing, failing, succeeding

  14. @Sentient

    Now what was interesting is that she was undeniably super hot, and smart, sophisticated, a lady and also a child. And I found myself really drawn into this vortex of positive feminine energy… Just enjoying having a smoking hot accomplice. Now I did want to bang but it was a second order item… I’ve been with 6s who were fucking making me hard just being close to them… Raw sex appeal…

    Here it was more like a perfect possession. A different feeling. And it wasnt that i didn’t feel entitled… It was more like I felt well of course now here is my hot Russian girlfriend… Like we were dating. Fucking rom comming… Seriously i could see myself having a nice lobster salad and sancerre lunch… Do a little shopping and THEN go back to bang… Just enjoying her company.

    Wild…

    So HABD is the FI so devious that it draws out our nurturing protecting possesing side despite our best efforts?

    Just minor cognitive dissonance going on there. No Big Deal.

    I don’t have any problem dealing with cognitive dissonance. It’s part of my life style.

    Last weekend, I came off the peak experience of my fourth deer camp of Early Antlerless Firearms season, including this on the third in a row with the same two other buddies.

    Mother Nature, wildlife farm habitat and hanging out there is a very energy giving, very organic life giving experience in which the feminine (In the form of Mother Nature) is always present.

    Not so far be it from me to quote new-Agey Deida, but Sentient, you can take energy where energy is present.

    (I’m not moralizing here at all. Just Trying for an understanding here.)

    TWSM Chapter 27

    Quote:

    Young Women Offer You a Special Energy

    In general, youth in a woman bespeaks radiant, unobstructed, and re- freshing feminine energy. A young woman tends to be less compromised by masculine layers of functional protection built up over years of need. Traditionally, young women were understood to offer a man a particu- larly rejuvenative quality of energy. Older women may maintain, or even increase, the freshness and radiance of their energy, but it is rare.

    Imagine you are driving your eighteen year old babysitter home one evening. She is so fresh, so innocent, so alive. You can feel that she is totally open to you. You consider all the consequences. You look at her radiant skin, her clear eyes, her incredible smile. The way she moves, talks, and laughs makes you happy and fills you with energy. You arrive at her home. She says goodnight, leaves the car, and enters her house. You sit in the car for a moment, breathing slowly and deeply, smiling.

    There is something unique about being with a young woman, and all men with masculine sexual essences feel it. You feel rejuvenated by her. Just sitting next to a young woman can make you happy and fill you with life force. You might have nothing in common. But that doesn’t matter. It is her energy that delights and inspires you.

    Uncompromised, youthful, feminine energy turns you on and opens your heart. You actually feel happier around young women. You feel more energetic, alive, and loving. As women get older, they typically take on more and more masculine tasks and responsibilities in our culture, so their radiance begins to decrease. In other cultures, this is less true. Women maintain and even deepen their radiance. But even in these cultures with more wisdom, it is understood that young women provide a special energy that is fresh, uncompromised, and enlivening.

    Our culture reduces this youthful energy to a sexual thing, whereas it is actually a whole body transmission of energy, affecting the heart as much as or more than the genitals. In other cultures, young women were honored for their gifts of spiritual rejuvenation, tending to holy sites and performing sacred arts, not just ogled for sexual titillation. As a man, it is your responsibility to honor the heart-rejuvenative gift of a young woman, without violating this honor by imposing your sexual desire on her.

    If sexual desire arises, fine. Circulate it through your body. Learn to conduct the magnification of desire without needing to throw it off in a spasm of release. A major part of mastering sexuality is learning to sustain greater and greater degrees of pleasure and desire in the body, without needing to rid yourself of the force because you can’t handle it.

    When you find yourself really enlivened by a young woman, breathe in her fragrance. Breathe in her energy. Relax your body and allow your heart to open in her presence. Take in her beauty through every pore in your body. Allow love to radiate from your heart toward her. Maintain a respectful formality so that she is free and empowered to give her gift, without being complicated by your personal agenda. Use the energy she has given you in your own service to others, passing the gifts of heightened aliveness and passionate heart into all of your relationships, so that all beings may benefit by the delight you have received from this woman, who, for now, manifests the youthful gifts of uncompromised radiance and life force.

    End Quote…

    In the aforementioned outing at the BallPark yesterday, I started out being incredibly excited about the adventure. I had concluded my deer-camp with coming home and being rejuvenated so much so, that I was patting myself on the back with the fact that I haven’t even in the slightest been bored or even annoyed (and contempt was squashed a couple years ago in both directions) by my wife as a sexual partner. It’s pretty damn fun and gives me energy mostly. She’s Good to Game.

    But I had such a great time socializing, that at the end of the day yesterday, I had an energy switch get flipped and it was all like Damn, I’m Irritated by Her. (I think it was the cue young and older girls at the BallPark adventure.). Not a bit deal, though, more a Introverted, recharge the batteries situation.

    And today, She’s Irritated by Me. Which calls for separation.

    It’s all part of The Reconstruction of my Married Red Pill Game. Which is resting on a solid foundation. (I watched the electrical power company replace a complicated telephone pole in the corner of my office condo building today. That was quite the performance by multiple crews that obviously did that a time or two before. It was a delicate masculine balance of steps. Really cool to watch out my window in between work.)

    Which segues into Deida’s Chapter 28 of TWSM:

    Quote:

    Each Woman Has a “Temperature” That Can Heal or Irritate You

    Some women are hotter, some are cooler. In general, blonde, light- skinned, Japanese, and Chinese women are cooler. Dark skinned, brunette, red-headed, Korean, and Polynesian women are hotter. Even though a man might choose to remain in a committed intimacy with one woman, his needs for different temperatures of feminine energy may change over time. A hot woman who aroused his passion several years ago may irritate him now .A cooler woman who soothed his heart several years ago may seem tiresome to him now. By understanding how different temperatures of feminine energy may affect him, a man could make more skillful life choices without confusion.

    You probably have certain “tastes” in women. You might prefer blondes. Or Asian women. Or perhaps you have a special preference for redheads. Your tastes come from many sources: your early childhood experience, cultural influence, and perhaps even your genetics. But one aspect of “taste” has to do with how a woman affects you with her energetics.

    Some women are cooling. Being in their company feels like a cool drink of ice tea on a hot sunny day. You might have referred to a woman, for instance, who is an “icy blonde” or who has “cool blue eyes.”

    Other women are hot. They are fiery, tempestuous, and quick of temper. You might have spoken of a “fiery redhead” or a “hot-blooded Latina.”

    Of course, not all redheads or Latinas are hot, nor are all blondes cool. Nevertheless, there is something true enough to be said about a woman’s “temperature.” Most men have a good intuitive sense of the difference between a woman who is cool and soothing and a woman who is hot and exciting, regardless of how they describe it. And this difference has a lot to do with why men have different tastes for women, and why your taste could change over time.

    More than simple psychological preference determines your taste. Energy plays a major role. Sometimes you can be with a beautiful woman who just doesn’t do it for you. You can see she is beautiful, you can understand why your friends find her attractive, but she just doesn’t suit your taste. Different women offer different kinds of feminine energy. And one of the simplest forms of this difference is the difference between hot and cool feminine energy.

    To help understand this, you could look at your relationship with food. Some men thrive on hot Mexican peppers or spicy Szechwan food, while other men are healed by soothing and cooling food, like salads, sweets, or milk. And any man’s needs for different kinds of food may change over time. The same is true of his needs for feminine energy.

    If you are a particularly easygoing man, perhaps a man who has difficulty getting motivated, then a hot woman is probably better for you. Her fiery nature can heat up your system and get you moving. On the other hand, if you tend to be quick tempered and hot yourself, you might find that a more cooling woman heals you and brings a balance to your body and psyche.

    Depending on your health, your lifestyle, your work demands, and your emotional state, you may need different types of energy at different times. The important thing is to know there is a difference, so that you can be conscious of the choice you are making and how it might affect you.

    You may begin to doubt your current intimate relationship if you don’t understand how your needs for feminine energy change. When your life seems dreary and boring, a more spicy and hot woman will probably appeal to you. She will provide you with the fire you are missing. However, when your life is extremely challenging and you feel burnt out, a hot woman might be too much. You may be more attracted to the soothing gaze and touch of a cool woman.

    Imagine you are married to a hot woman. For years you have enjoyed her passion, been amused by her anger, and been delighted by how quickly she responds sexually. Then, your career takes a turn. You begin working with people all day, under a tight deadline. You are dealing with people’s emotions and resistance 50 hours a week. You notice that you are sweating most of the day. You are under the gun. Your life has become quite hot, as if you are spending the day in a pressure cooker.

    You go home to your hot wife. She is rubbing herself all over you, eager to get it on. You feel like relaxing. You tell her you need a few minutes to take it easy, so she changes into her workout clothes and goes to the spa to flex and pump her supple body. Meanwhile, her best friend comes to visit. You open the door and invite her in the house. She moves so much more slowly than your wife. Her presence seems soothing and relaxing to you, even though she’s not the kind of woman you are usually attracted to.

    The quality of this woman’s voice seems so refreshing. She sees you are tired and, because she’s known you for years, she asks if she can rub your shoulders. She puts her hands on your shoulders, and, before she even begins to gently massage you, you feel waves of cool, rejuvenating energy pour into your body. You sigh with relief. After a brief massage she says goodbye. She’ll come back and visit your wife another day.

    Your wife comes back home, full of energy, and she begins bouncing around the house taking care of things. She yells at you for not telling her friend to stay and wait. Then, seeing your fatigue, she apologizes and begins kissing you passionately. Her hands quickly go to your crotch, but you’re still thinking about her friend, remembering how refreshing her energy was, wondering what the heck you’re going to do about it.

    What you should do about it is this: understand what is happening. You used to really enjoy your wife’s spicy temperament, but now that you are boiling all day at work, you need to be balanced by a cooler energy. This doesn’t necessarily mean you need to end your marriage. It doesn’t necessarily mean you need to have sex with her cool friend. What it means is that you need to find a way to balance your life.

    You can change your diet to a more cooling diet. You can keep your body cooler, wearing caps on sunny days, and wearing lighter more breathable clothing. You can take soothing walks around lakes or along rivers, and let the water absorb the heat of your day. Or, you can receive cooling energy directly from a woman, even non-sexually.

    You could get a professional massage, for instance, from a woman with cooling energy. Sometimes all you need to do is spend a little time in the same room with a cool woman. In any case, it’s important to realize that your needs for different kinds of energy will change throughout your life. It’s something you will need to learn how to deal with. It’s important that, in the meantime, you don’t mistake a changing energy need for a reason to end your marriage. It’s also important to know that you can receive energy from different women in entirely non-sexual ways, if you so choose.

    In the end, you must make your own choice. When one man’s energy needs change and he finds himself getting the energy he needs from the woman in the office next door —the kind of energy that he isn’t getting from his wife—then he might end up having an affair, or getting divorced. Another man might communicate his changing energy needs to his wife, and then find that she is more than able to creatively provide him with the flavor of feminine energy that most heals and rejuvenates him.

    Don’t confuse your energy needs with a commitment in love, though. Energy needs are relatively easy to balance. You can probably get the energy you need from a masseuse or a change in diet. If you react drastically, and decide to leave your wife for a woman whose energy enlivens you more, you may be surprised when, in a few months, your energy needs change again, and you realize you have made a very superficial choice.

    You must decide for yourself how to deal with your need for the particular feminine energy that fills your body with life, heals your rough edges, and soothes your warrior spirit. But energetic rejuvenation won’t make any fundamental difference unless, at your core, your heart is growing more free, open, and loving. A cool glass of fruit juice, a vacation in Hawaii, or a redhead may temporarily balance your physiology, but only persistent commitment to the practice of love can take you through your fears, through your sense of separateness, and bring you to the absolute ease of being that is your deepest truth. Remember your priority, and decide what you need to do.

  15. @Dr Zipper

    “I might specifically target MM but right now another buffer is the last thing I need…. time to get out there and get the ‘D’”

    There are a certain number of former bloggers and book writers that distilled Game and Red Pill thought into some very seminal books. (I.e, they took a lot of stuff from a lot of sources. Mystery even studied Casanova, whose biography is a fun adventure.)

    Mystery was one of them. That information is on Process. It is not a buffer by any means.

    I mentioned earlier, golfing for 35 years and then taking just three lessons from a pro righted my incorrect golf swing form.

    Mysteries book is foundational. It’s structure. It’s consummate.

  16. lol, okay sjf, I’ll put it on the list

    and since we’re fighting…. I can recognize my tendency to ‘study just one more thing’ as a buffer; getting out to practice and getting my dick wet again will give me the best ROI at this stage

    ‘know myself’ …. just made that up, but feel free to use it lol

  17. hey oscar, hank….. here’s a fucking GREAT IDEA:

    let’s see who gets laid first….. me, or one of you two whiners

    she can’t be someone you’ve already started on…. this is from a cold nothing to blowing your load; doesn’t have to be the same night or anything, just when you’re PinV is the most important

    and no hookers or pros…. just regular girls

    beginning tomorrow, Friday

    if you have to ask what the winner gets, I’ve already won

    you fags better get started cuz I don’t like to lose

  18. “and since we’re fighting…. I can recognize my tendency to ‘study just one more thing’ as a buffer; getting out to practice and getting my dick wet again will give me the best ROI at this stage”

    Wait. What?

    Who’s fighting?

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RdvDSvogf84/V7QgxCUQ9vI/AAAAAAAADsI/OL7gpJRF4foup1eAiCUMj2nG3CXrKKTSACLcB/s320/55981660.jpg

    Structure in Game is good. I have it on reference experience.

    Don’t be so afraid of reading in the manosphere. There is a lot of crap out there. There is a lot of good out there.

    I’ve been able to discriminate and that has made all the difference.

    Get out there and get your dick wet for reference experience. But still study. Proper form is proper form. Let it rip.

  19. ” Imagine you are driving your eighteen year old babysitter home one evening. She is so fresh, so innocent, so alive. You can feel that she is totally open to you. You consider all the consequences. You look at her radiant skin, her clear eyes, her incredible smile. The way she moves, talks, and laughs makes you happy and fills you with energy. You arrive at her home. She says goodnight, leaves the car, and enters her house. You sit in the car for a moment, breathing slowly and deeply, smiling.

    There is something unique about being with a young woman, and all men with masculine sexual essences feel it. You feel rejuvenated by her. Just sitting next to a young woman can make you happy and fill you with life force. You might have nothing in common. But that doesn’t matter. It is her energy that delights and inspires you. “

    I’m a little perplexed ( but tbh I’m always a little thrown by what people/men say about ” young ” women ).

    Question: For all the guys above say…40, do you normally happen to feel old, dull and tired when not in the presence of Younger Women?

    Yeah. yeah, I know that the manosphere praises young chicks, lol, but seriously, do chicks make you feel a certain way just because they are young? Does every older woman you see or know have dull eyes and skin, and shitty smiles?

    @ Sentient –

    But first, real quick 5 minute half assed fr from last night ( only because it was a little strange )

    I’ll make it super brief – pulled into a toll booth on the Garden State Parkway at a little before midnight, and there was 1 vehicle just sitting there stationary in the exact change lane. Before you know it, about a dozen cars had lined up behind me honking their horns.

    Then a young girl/woman ( ugh…young girls… lol ) got out of the rear of the car blocking traffic. BMW x5 with Missouri tags, so I thought they were lost or something maybe. Girl walks up to my window and says with a wonderful German accent, ” Hi!! We just come in from Munich!! Do you have a change?”, and she holds up a 20. I know I don’t have change, so I tell her so and she goes on to the cars behind me.

    So I’m watching her from my side view mirror and no one is giving her change. I felt bad for her because she was so nice and pleasant okay, the hard part for me – maybe she was..um…a 6″ or a 7? Idk. She was about 5′ 8″, Blonde hair down below her boobs, 2 thick braids, ugly glasses over Ice blue eyes, jeans and t-shirt and chuck taylors.

    So I wave her back to me and she runs up. I hand her 1.50 for the tolls and tell her not to worry about it. She says ” THANK YOU SO MUCH !! ” and she reached through the window and gave me an awkward through-the-window hug, and kissed me on the cheek, and then right on the lips.

    She pranced up to the toll basket and throws the quarters in, it flashes PAID and she threw me a kiss and jumped back inside the car and they took off.

    So did I pay 1.50 for a kiss? Lol.

    Or am I just becoming so jaded in my old age that a girl being ” happy ” like that catches me off guard?

    Not sure. But it momentarily threw me because 1) I am not a huge fan of strange chicks kissing my on the mouth. I need to see their lips first… lol. 2) I’m not used to strange chicks being so voluntarily smoochable. I am supposed to make them want to give up the kiss. was just trying to move things along.

    Anyway, paint me thrown.

    Now to my point: I don’t think your FR represents the FI pushing on you at all. We all like women, and we have certain combinations or traits that we don’t normally run across all the time in women we talk to or game, but we dig those combinations. Usually we wind up marrying chicks that posses our particular combo of traits and behaviors combined with looks we like. That is if we know to be discerning.

    You know why I say that your encounter wasn’t the FI pushing? Because you became suspicious initially. You were watching for an angle. The FI has a hard time if your expecting it in some fashion.

    We know that 90% of the girls out there are smashable. We just need to pick their particular lock. Sometimes, the average chick doesn’t have what it takes to pick our locks beyond us wanting to bang. That’s all well and good, but every so often we run across one that’s interesting. Very interesting. When that happens, we might still want to bang, but we also want to spend a little more time just being in their presence. It’s really more about us and what we like. She’s just ( hopefully ) being herself.

    It’s cooler than a fan because we are aware and we don’t tend to pedestalize. Also we tend not to say dumb shit while around them, giving her the wrong impression. It’s still all about us in the final analysis.

    Enjoy the experience and create the memory.

    Now let’s wait for HABD’s take.

  20. thx Ton, really helping out lol

    have you been even reading about our sorry asses? if one of us made claim like that with our current skill set, it would need some verification, like a notarized video

  21. … damn, I just got through most of SJF’s Deida post above. He says almost the same thing as me, just with a shitload more words. Lol. Many, many, many more words.

  22. @ Ton

    ” There is non direct game? Who knew?

    Anything short of saying let’s go fuck is indirect game.”

    I’m still trying to keep all of these concepts straight in my head. I guess that every time a chick sees you on your Harley, that’s kind of indirect game of sorts (? ) .

    The PUA version of Game has been broken out into ” sections ” I guess. To my mind there’s only direct game unless something about you or what you’re doing happens to peak a chick’s interest.

    PUA’s are much smarter than me when it comes to Game, lol, so I guess I’ll have to try harder to understand. But I’m just shy of 60 so time’s running out.

  23. @Blaximus

    Question: For all the guys above say…40, do you normally happen to feel old, dull and tired when not in the presence of Younger Women?

    Yeah. yeah, I know that the manosphere praises young chicks, lol, but seriously, do chicks make you feel a certain way just because they are young? Does every older woman you see or know have dull eyes and skin, and shitty smiles?

    It’s not a zero sum game. There’s plenty of energy out there.

    The answer to your question is hell fucking no. I don’t feel old, dull and tired with my wife. I feel energized to Game and fuck her.

    Except when I interacted with some sweet young chicks and older chicks at the BallPark. And got annoyed with my wife.

    My wife is attractive and I don’t put her on a pedestal. She has lots of Female Social Matrix friends. And interacting with them is not dull at all. Some of them are actually hot babes 8’s and 9’s.

    … damn, I just got through most of SJF’s Deida post above. He says almost the same thing as me, just with a shitload more words. Lol. Many, many, many more words..

    We’ve gone down this road for a few years Blax. I’ve quoted the same damn chapters in Deida about you getting your Alpha energy up with young girls two years ago. We all know what is going on here. With you and us.

    It’s a below the surface kind of thing. But we are here to make it bubble up to awareness for you naturals.

    Feminine energy without pedestalizing one particular woman, gives you a masculine life force. She may be old with energy. She may be young and sexy, but it is out there for you to grab. Sentient did that=drove energy in his last field report. Big time. With questions as to what his Game was. Game is Energy. Excess Free Energy is Charisma. Have Free Energy derived in reverse form from Girls. Don’t let them suck your energy. By learning structural Game.

  24. Question: For all the guys above say…40, do you normally happen to feel old, dull and tired when not in the presence of Younger Women?

    No They all light up around me.

  25. …just with a shitload more words. Lol. Many, many, many more words.

    Good words matter. Rollo, Ian Ironwood, Tolstoy, Doestoyevsky, Hemingway (‘The Sun Also Rises’)

    If it’s good, it’s good, no matter how verbose.

    Don’t complain about too many words. Complain about not enough good manosphere thoughts and words. It’s tough to slog your way through, but the manosphere has great shit via words.

  26. hey now, Hemingway was not verbose in that one…. simple, plainspoken but full of detail

    evidently we’re still fighting

  27. “Anything short of saying let’s go fuck is indirect game.”

    I’m still trying to keep all of these concepts straight in my head. I guess that every time a chick sees you on your Harley, that’s kind of indirect game of sorts (? ) .”

    Ton is well meaning but ignorant. Which is fine. His last FR was some four hours of dhving over three weeks then two hours to the lay. Mystery would approve, snuck in an hour under his rubric.

  28. “Hey now, Hemingway was not verbose in that one…. simple, plainspoken but full of detail”

    Shit, I forgot the Spartan prose trick. And I forgot that the Hemingway employing that sparse prose in the Sun Also Rises.

    Reminds me of:

    Bob Seger – Like A Rock

    Stood there boldly
    Sweatin’ in the sun
    Felt like a million
    Felt like number one
    The height of summer
    I’d never felt that strong
    Like a rock

    I was eighteen
    Didn’t have a care
    Working for peanuts
    Not a dime to spare
    But I was lean and
    Solid everywhere
    Like a rock

    My hands were steady
    My eyes were clear and bright
    My walk had purpose
    My steps were quick and light
    And I held firmly
    To what I felt was right
    Like a rock

    Like a rock, I was strong as I could be
    Like a rock, nothin’ ever got to me
    Like a rock, I was something to see
    Like a rock

    And I stood arrow straight
    Unencumbered by the weight
    Of all these hustlers and their schemes
    I stood proud, I stood tall
    High above it all
    I still believed in my dreams

    Twenty years now
    Where’d they go?
    Twenty years
    I don’t know
    I sit and I wonder sometimes
    Where they’ve gone

    And sometimes late at night
    When I’m bathed in the firelight
    The moon comes callin’ a ghostly white
    And I recall
    I recall

    Like a rock, standin’ arrow straight
    Like a rock, chargin’ from the gate
    Like a rock, carryin’ the weight
    Like a rock

    Like a rock, the sun upon my skin
    Like a rock, hard against the wind
    Like a rock, I see myself again
    Like a rock

  29. Damn you SJF… I think you’ve finally persuaded me to read Deida.

    On Russian… Got blanked on meet text. Sad emoji (jk) was a great story at the restaurant… Waitress gobbled up my heart rending breakup tale… Table for one… Russian girlfriend break up. Wife issues… Loves it. I told her it means a spot has opened up for her… Lots of kino… She is all poor poor boy I think you will be OK… I say my heart will go on. Then say she is now my new GF… Eyes pop. But only for tonight… OMG! I can’t believe you said that. Well you have to work yourself into rotation… Good stuff. Then tried a Ton… Let’s go. Quit and come with me. She is that’s crazy! I can’t… Actually I’m quitting next week… Funny. I did enjoy that lobster salad though.

    Then went off to game… Nothing much to report… Did have a fun half hour running bouncer game. This is something i do from time to time to take the piss. First time was like 5 years ago outside a strip club on Sunset.

    So ia had a black t shirt on. Stand in front of a bar with arms crossed… Dudes just start automatically pulling their ids… And chicks… Fuck with them. Was fun. Your old as fuck… Why you giving me this? This is the worst fake id I’ve ever seen… Passports? Wtf is this? Do i have do get INs on this? A few dudes i tool about dress code and hats… At one point the line to me is 10 deep… Lolz. One birthday girl and special bouncer hug… Fun stuff… In the past even charged some covers…

    Blax

    “Question: For all the guys above say…40, do you normally happen to feel old, dull and tired when not in the presence of Younger Women?”

    ahhh slippery question… It’s not that it’s how do you feel around positive femine energy? More energetic or less? Helpmeets gonna helpmeet….

    “You know why I say that your encounter wasn’t the FI pushing? Because you became suspicious initially. You were watching for an angle. The FI has a hard time if your expecting it in some fashion.”

    hmmmm. Maybe. Pros are a professional hazard for me though. One i can stand, necause being pros they get to the deal quickly… It’s the legion of semi pro dabblers that fuck you up… They don’t know what they are doing and spring it at the end… Many many girls. Lot’s of teachers and nurses… Go figure.

    IRL and all

    “they just want to be entertained. Not sure how to categorize attention whoring, playing hard to get, wanting some Rom Com moments… ”

    Of course… But that is the devious quality of hypergamy… It cannot be beat, merely joined. On one hand they get all you say and maybe even orgasms… On the other other the same… But more.

    I can say undoubtedly I’ve never ever had a “bad date” since i was 16… Like we always had a good time. And pre Game exploits never went out with a girl that no sex happened… Never. So they always get some value or other… Interesting theory question to ponder.

  30. @Sentient (@Blaximus as well):
    e-mail girl… Well you asked.

    My plan was just to let myself be friendzoned. Kept in touch, haven’t been with her since the last FR which was a while ago. She sent me a few pics without me asking. I told her I wanted her to come visit me. Got shit tested on that, must have half-passed as she eventually she admits she wants to come but she lives with her family and they would ask questions, also that she is “emotionally unstable”, and asked me when I’m going there again.
    She also complied a bit by sending me a pic I wanted to see (just face, not anything that hard, but she had resisted sending me even that kind of pic before).

    The “emotionally unstable” bit was confusing (beta bait?) so I was like “Have you talked with your (female) friends” and she lets on that the LDR bf broke up with her (I have to say, well done to him, and probably doing her a favor as well). I admit, this is messing up with my head.
    I think this is also why she sent me the face pic this time – like in her head is no bf, no harm in sending pics to me.

    I still think Blax had it correct and I should just stay away, there are less complicated girls around which don’t know me and I should game those instead.

    It is tempting to try again with bf out of the picture, although to which extent she resisted more on grounds of “I have a bf” or on grounds of “You have a wife”, I’m not really sure. I mean, the real objection is on grounds of “I’m not sufficiently aroused to forget about the other bits”, but that wouldn’t last much after a bang and the cognitive dissonance could be risky for me – particularly now she won’t have as much to potentially lose from disclosing.

  31. Better looking older chicks…….

    These days I think we see two extreme. Huge fucking seacows that even Blax would struggle to bang …… love you no homo….. and chicks who put keeping their appearance up as a priority

    More 2’s and 8’s, less 5’s and 6’s.

    Also happen to troll around in the professional wife circles these days. The new kid on the street is 64, his old lady is 45 and she pretty much looks good professionally. See a fair amount of that in the right ecconmic circles

  32. @dr zipper

    hey oscar, hank….. here’s a fucking GREAT IDEA:

    let’s see who gets laid first….. me, or one of you two whiners

    Oh wow how challenging 🙄

    you should punch above your weight, and challenge guys above you.

    kinda like how I would bet if I got a week in Seoul, I could bang more chicks than anyone else here, regardless of my experience or current state physically (which ofc no one here could help with, but I know people from work who are employed by big asian companies so who knows…they are mostly impressed by my ability to hold my liqueur but thats how they all make business deals (esp koreans – to the point they have gout in their early 30’s lol) so maybe I could hitch a ride as a sidekick — regardless, if I ever got such a spot the game is on).

    but seriously dude, challenge j or someshit for a challenge.

    but to answer your question from a few days ago more fuly blax

    The ” I only like black girls thing ” is a buffer. All men have preferences and all, and that’s only normal and natural, but to limit the opportunity for sex because the girl is the wrong color, or too short, or too tall, or has dyed hair = Bufferville USA.

    its not that I like black girls, so much as I hate white girls. And black girls are about the only non white option here. Just watched a video on korea and I was like, what the fuck is wrong with all these guy who want white chicks…and how can I dump all these white bitches in bulk — I’ll take non white girls in trade, but really if they could just be gone that’d be awesome.

    just my two cents is all, but its crazy to me how many guys luuurve these chicks with no ass, with the body of a 15 year old prepubescent boy, and a plain ass face. Not hating, its just irritating how eeeevrrryone likes the saaaammme thing. whites/blacks(esp blacks, pc alert but i’m super racist and all so…)asians/latinos. So boring. eeeevveeerrry thing is exactly the same. like you can go to a formal event in america or india or thailand or equador and they will all be wearing suits. its like a twilight zone episode where you are permanently stuck in an endless maze of florescent lit corridors. its all the same everywhere you go. but at least you have a few other races and food types in other places.

    Detroit guy from the other day and I bonded over how much we dislike white chicks and (PC ALERT) he’s even a black dude. lol

    I’m just so tired of the lack of variety around here, and how people are so segregated, and how I can never fucking sleep

    fucking whatever. clearly Im 100% normal health wise and am just making this shit up. lol

  33. Riffing on kfg’s comments in medicine and credentialism… Need a new answer to the “what do you do” question. My go to for a long time has bean bean farmer 🚜 but that is getting stale. Part of the problem is the girls usually guess about what I do straight off… The Russian said “securities”… So I need something fun but more consonant with their expectation.

    I’ve used “orgasmologist” in the past… An ijjjji line from sedfast… Will work in something like this.

    Her: sooooo what do you do?
    Me: Not so fast… Let me see what you are made of. Impress me. Guess.
    Her: uh. IDK. Money? ( this was an actual response once lol)
    Me: Well close… Not too impressed though, I’m a doctor.
    Her: ohhhh… What kind.
    Me: Orgasmology
    Her: haha…
    Me: yeah. The pay isn’t so great but the hours are ok.
    Me: I mean it’s good. The training program was a bitch though. But now I’m fully licensed. Haven’t lost a patient…
    Me: When’s the last time you visited your orgasmologist? Orgasmic health is a national priority you know.

    Etc.

  34. hank, you took the bait by ‘not’ taking it, your reaction speaks volumes

    no fight, no verve, no drive, no spark, no rising to the occassion; you refuse challenges from others and even worse, from yourself; you will never move forward if you are always turning away from adversity; we all have obstacles but you seem to have more than necessary because you create most of them yourself

    it’s not about me and my ham-fisted ‘dare’ you dumbfuck, it’s about yet one more dude trying to find the hidden switch that would change your FRs from millennial versions of ‘Princess and the Pea’ to fuck-yeah stories of conquest; seriously, your first postings read exactly the same as they do now, reams of text that are nothing but variations of ‘I would but…’ and verbose versions of ‘missed it by that much’

    fact of the matter is that despite your lamentations, you’ve not yet reached rock bottom; you think you feel bad now? wait until you finally realize it’s your own attitude, not your circumstances, that hold you back; add to that all the time you’ve wasted pretending to know more than you do and then dismissing/discarding the efforts of others trying to help; you can say ‘I already know that’ all you want, but from your actions and choices it’s obvious you don’t; you are here on this site for others reasons, like leveraging well meaning men for pity and attention; fucking sickening to see a grown man act like such a little weak bitch

    have you considered possiblity that you’re just one of those dudes that won’t ever make the cut? not everyone does; and some people actually find solace and comfort in knowing their place in the world, even if it’s at the bottom; for a man, that’s just a coping skill so you don’t get too depressed and off yourself

    I still wish you the best but don’t worry, I’ll leave your lost cause to mersonia, he seems to have a thing for retards

  35. @zipper

    Thanks for that link you included about escalating and getting sex on the first date.

    However this commenter’s advice sounds bogus to me:

    “I lost my virginity by dropping the games and being totally up front about it with a beautiful little Italian girl who was my age and was into me. I said “I really like you but I am very inexperienced”. I wasn’t kissing her ass, but neither was I trying to fool her about myself. She WANTED to help me.

    Not every woman is going to want to teach an inexperienced guy, but quite a few will. […] Be genuine with women on this point and you’ll go much further, faster.

    Even before knowing about TRP I assumed being inexperienced was a negative when you are a man. Male virgins are mocked in our culture, and now even women are considered weird if they have had no sex by the time they are in their mid twenties!

    However I will casually drop this “I am so inexperienced” shit with those fat girls I don’t care about to gauge their reaction. To be honest, I am having fun as of late giving mixed signals.
    __

    So regarding your challenge zipper, maybe Blaximus is right after all, and I don’t really want to fuck, just getting the validation from knowing that I could.

    Something that has been bothering me for a while now is knocking up some random girl out there and basically screwing up my life. Under no circumstances do I want kids, ever. Gosh I do hate risk, don’t I? Girly as fuck, I know. With hookers I worry about STDs, with non-hookers I fret about pregnancies…

    And another funny thing about those fat broads I have been seeing: I don’t fancy them, I really don’t, and yet I get boners constantly when dating, often followed by a small ejaculation of pre-cum… Fucking hilarious.

  36. @hank, white chicks, black chicks, blah, blah, blah. BUFFERS.

    Your dick only has one eye and it’s blind.

    It only feels and craves warm, wet pussies. Last time I checked, even fat, white bitches have warm and wet pussies. Some of my most fun sexual memories were with average “curvy” girls.

    Enough buffers.

    Sincerely,
    Your dick.

  37. Speaking of buffers, I’ve been getting an ex to send me naked pics. The old me would never have done something like that, but I could care less now. Funny, it actually gets me more worked up and horny for my wife.

  38. “Need a new answer to the “what do you do” question”

    Hmm I never tell girls what i do. I just say i work with computers. Then they ask for what company and i say the same tech company everytime then says it’s really boring shit i don’t want to get into it in a bar and change the subject. Never used it as an opportunity to spike attraction. I remember i once told a chick the low value job i really had and she laughed and said “stop lying haha”. I was like holy shit. This chick thinks I’m so high value she couldn’t possibly image a person like me working at a shit job. Dat solipsism lol

  39. Newly

    “Funny, it actually gets me more worked up and horny for my wife.”

    Exactly! This is what is interesting to explore… The effect of feminine energy on your relationships.

    The right amount is a balm, smoothes over some gaps or rough patches and really is a net benefit. So much more relaxed, understanding, interested etc.

    Too much… Has an adverse effect on the pair bond. Titration is important.

    I’d been ruminating for a while on maybe having a mistress. The Russian episode tapped that vein a bit… Move beyond just largely nameless ONS game… But too much of one would be a hindrance.

    Variety is the spice of life but use judiciously like all spices.

  40. c’mon, oscar, at some point doesn’t being fearful piss you off? you’re getting derailed by minutia; put on some mud crawlers and climb over that shit

    you have a bit of a superiority complex, which is more good than bad; but if that’s true, then all these lesser beings have managed to keep you self-shackled; creates a bit of discord w/ your perceptions of being superior, no?

    superiority and progress are defined by results, not beliefs, wishes and intentions; it occurred to me when I gently chastised you for combining several problems into one really big one that I must also just get that first lay out of the way; it’s a barrier for me just like it is for you; once conquered, you can plant that flag as a milestone to your progress and move on to the next

    I remember as a kid when the neighborhood gang were just milling around bored looking for something to do, out of nowhere someone would shout “race you to the that tree over there” and suddenly you’d have 5-6 boys sprinting with all they had to seize a victory; you and hank are the two that didn’t partake because you thought such victory silly and value-less when really you were just fat and slow and were more focused on how you’d lose than trying to win regardless

    from my adult perspective, I now see how that sort of shit is just like wolf cubs rassling over a bone; it’s a proxy and training for real world situations

    not sure where I’m going with this other than just accept challenges — maybe not mine, but surely challenge yourself — as a way to use your natural competitive instincts for advancement

    it’s why men have that gift, now use it

  41. J

    How old are you?

    “This chick thinks I’m so high value she couldn’t possibly image a person like me working at a shit job. ”

    yeah this is the premise of the bean farmer routine. “you’re not a bean farmer” etc.

    It’s a good east spike because you always get asked it. Girls are not original… Not directly answering just plugs in a nice higher value loop to lead her though. Because most guys have no game and they just answer “I’m an assistant regional manager of qualitative measurement at Bigco. We have offices in seven states.” Boring… And the girl goes “ok”…

    Fuck man last night eating my lobster salad i had to painfully endure the 30yo beta next to me and his date… At least they were sitting side by side on the banquet… But holy shit… The girl just froze that damn smile on her face while he went through in excruciating detail the intricacies of his boring job. Thing was he was totally in… She was pressed leg to leg with him, shifts her skirt over to fully expose her thigh… Nodding her head uh huh to his drivel. You could just see her being like wtf dude make a move…

    Slowly… Slowly 🐢 🐢 he gently moves his arm behind her… Then 5 minutes later he puts one fucking finger on her shoulder for a second and withdraws… Then five minutes later pats and squuezes it… And the girl is squirming in her seat like come on man… Eventually he got more comfortable it was just difficult to observe.

    Wanted to blow a whistle and call a time out… Coach his ass up and slap it back into the game…

    Not easy on the girls…

  42. Oscar

    “you might be due for a check up. But i don’t take insurance.”

    I could do 5 solid minutes on that. Go up down… Deadpan set up line. Then joke… Now while she is laughing you have cut space and are arm on her shoulder or side kinoing … Talking into her ear etc. And THEN the roll off… Step back.

  43. @zipper

    Good thoughts, I have to agree. I will push sex with this girl during this weekend. Problem is she also lives with her parents (despite being 35 lol; believe it or not that shit is common in Spain), so the logistics are not that great. Anyways, I am going for it regardless.

  44. @Oscar, let me rewrite your comment

    I will push sex with this girl during this weekend. CHALLENGE is, she also lives with her parents, so the logistics are I’LL THINK OF A WAY TO BONE HER IN THE ATTIC/GARAGE/BASEMENT/TREE/CAR.

  45. J that’s a great clip… The six easy pieces… Lol. Good stuff.

    Note how rooted that all is in MM… Stacks loops push pulls hoops.

  46. J yeah i figured… Early 20s not such a question with school and all. Late 20s and up “what do you do” is 100% asked and with increasing seriousness… Lols.

  47. Am I the only one who finds RSD Max actively annoying to listen to? It’s nothing to do with the quality of his videos or content – he’s obviously really good, but just something about his personality and delivery really grates me on me.

  48. sent – ‘Because most guys have no game and they just answer “I’m an assistant regional manager of qualitative measurement at Bigco. We have offices in seven states.”’

    that’s what I did the other night with the 2-set; at the time I thought it sounded better but upon reflection and seeing the RSDMax vid (thx j) and your comments…. nope, BP pussy all the way; what I thought was dhv’ing was really just trying to impress her…. so predictable and yes, might have impressed her…. what a great comfort to know that I impressed her while I went home with my dick in my hand

    so my next two items that I’ll be working on — hopefully tonight — will be handling the ‘what do you do?’ question and the concept of pull/push with that roll-off shit you speak of frequently

  49. If what I do comes up…almost never does…I show a Bill Murray “sensitive” expression …super cheesy and hilarious…and say that I’m into nature and saving the earth…I love animals…I work in rescue…then I switch to a Bill Murray humorous expression…I place Willy the One-Eyed Weasel into his virgin habitat…

  50. Oscar

    ” I don’t really want to fuck, just getting the validation from knowing that I could.”

    Heh. That’s not validation that is delusion. There is no coulda woulda… It is fuck or walk pal.

    “Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them to sign on the line which is dotted! You hear me, you fucking faggots?”

    your dick knows this… Hence chub and precum…

    “A-B-C. A-always, B-be, C-closing. Always be closing! Always be closing!! A-I-D-A. Attention, interest, decision, action. Attention — do I have your attention? Interest — are you interested? I know you are because it’s fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks! “

  51. oh, third item, possibly the most important: sexualization! gotta get that girl to start fantasizing about the stud in front of her pounding her, not platonically dazzled and impressed

  52. Well lads, it was faster than expected.

    Bitch just friendzoned me via text. I sent a booty call and she answered back that she sees me as a friend lol.

    I retorted that I wanted sex and would not settle for anything else. I finished with “tell me when you are ready”. Over and out.

    It is a bit of a humilliation that a much lower SMV girl does this to me, but on a certain level I feel relieved. I was not looking foward to see her naked.

    .

  53. Zipper

    If you joogle heartiste sentient bean farmer you can see the whole structure. Also it’s ok when you’ve run through all the spikes to circle back and reward her with an answer…

    “nah I’m just fucking with you… You were right, you have a good eye (reward)… I’m one of those rapacious capitalists raping the earth’s resources and robbing widows”

    then transition

    “so check this out (dhv story”

    or

    “so tell me something about yourself that nobody knows”

    (be prepared to have an answer because she is going to ask you and your answer doesn’t have to be true!!! It can lead to another routine, i.e. I’m a virgin etc.)

  54. @Oscar: made me LOL, but lose the anger. Someone had just posted the link to that hockey player text!

    Also, more details: did you make your move over text, or did you try to get a meet and she friend zoned you on that? Because the high likelihood play is to get her to meet you without the “booty call” and then make the move in person.

    On the other hand, it really sounds like you wanted to fail, so you did.
    Self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Kind of like me waffling about and actually being able to get some sort of rom-com “dates” but not banging.

  55. Oscar’s Buffer: “but on a certain level I feel relieved. I was not looking foward to see her naked.”

    Oscar, that was not you talking. That was your buffer voice. Shut that buffer voice off.

  56. newly/sent – used to read CH and the yareally archives more often in the past so the bean farmer stuff, etc. is not new to me…. however, I obviously need a refresher so the links and advice is much appreciated

  57. @Zipper,

    This is a sample from the page:

    Some examples:

    Her: “What do you do?” (setting a hoop for you to qualify yourself with)
    AFC: “I’m an investment banker.” (qualifying yourself by actually answering)
    Her: “oh…” (bored)
    AFC: “…” (no game)
    Her: “So ummm what’s your name?” (no attraction, he didn’t earn this, she’s just filling silence)

    Her: “What do you do?” (hoop)
    AFC: “I work at McDonald’s.” (shitting on hoop)
    Her: “You’re a liar!!” (shit-test)
    AFC: “No, I wouldn’t lie to a girl like you!” or “You got me, I’m really an investment banker” (backtracking, failing shit-test, seeking approval)
    Her: “Wow, that’s SO interesting. You’re so fascinating. What’s your name?” (no attraction, she’s just shit-testing)

    Her: “What do you do?” (hoop)
    PUA: “I work at McDonald’s.” (pass)
    Her: “You’re a liar!!” (shit-test)
    PUA: “No fries for you!” (congruent and passing shit-test)
    Her: “:O OMG…I can’t believe you said that.” (shit-test)
    PUA: “Get used to it, so many things about me are unbelievable.” (congruent/unapologetic and passing shit-test)
    Her: “Oh reall–” (shit-test attempt)
    PUA: “Like how small my penis is. 🙁 ” (shitting on her shit-test attempt [[AND SEXUALIZING]])
    Her: “:O” (fried circuits)
    PUA: “It’s like a wet baby carrot.” (congruent/unapologetic and ahead of her, she has to catch-up, like the “No fries for you!!” bit)
    Her: “lololol omg what’s your name??” (legit IOI, exposing herself, time for comfort, because I earned this reaction)

  58. attitude, oscar, attitude; that’s not failure or humiliation unless YOU deem it so

    the dumb cunt doesn’t know a good thing when she sees it? not your problem

    incorporate what you learned from it and move on

  59. @Sentient, it’s “National Legwear Day” today. Just think of all the possible lines available for this. What better way to start talking about girls legs and bodies than this? Talk about a sexualized conversation in the making.

  60. @Blaximus

    “PUA’s are much smarter than me when it comes to Game, lol, so I guess I’ll have to try harder to understand. But I’m just shy of 60 so time’s running out.”

    Most PUA’s are retarded.

    @Hank

    “Oh wow how challenging 🙄

    you should punch above your weight, and challenge guys above you. (not gonna quote the rest because space)

    You’re in a battle with yourself and clearly losing…. The great thing about it is that either way your mind will convince you that you won :D. Just think about who you want to be and where you will be in 3 years.

    “I’m just so tired of the lack of variety around here, and how people are so segregated, and how I can never fucking sleep

    fucking whatever. clearly Im 100% normal health wise and am just making this shit up. lol

    Might as well get laid since you can’t sleep at night anyways lol.

    @Dr.Zipper
    “we all have obstacles but you seem to have more than necessary because you create most of them yourself

    Touched my heart bro……

  61. Bitch just friendzoned me via text.

    Happens to us all.

    I sent a booty call and she answered back that she sees me as a friend lol.
    I retorted that I wanted sex and would not settle for anything else.

    See below for the best answer to a friendzone:

  62. “…because none of you that have issues really have “game” issues.” – mersonia

    “there’s more than one Red Pill” – blax

    same coin, other side

  63. @zipper

    no fight, no verve, no drive, no spark, no rising to the occassion;

    Yeah, that’s literally the symptoms of the illness I have. That’s the point. I have almost no energy to work with.

    Its like complaining that a guy with broken legs isn’t running very fast.

    You’re like a guy who tells someone with clinical depression “dude, you’ve just got a bad attitude. just be happy is all.” — when in fact its a chemical imbalance that makes the person depressed regardless of what they do.

    it’s about yet one more dude trying to find the hidden switch that would change your FRs from millennial versions of ‘Princess and the Pea’ to fuck-yeah stories of conquest;

    yeah and its been well established that the drill sergeant routine doesn’t work, since I have a voice in my head that always tells me I’ll never make it, just give up, you suck. Going that route only makes me more than likely to stay at home, or not go after girls.

    that mysterious “switch” is plain as day — its going through my FRs and pointing out where I could have escalated further, and where I did a good job and had attraction and pointing out the iois so I can convince myself I can actually go further.

    guys like blax who go “dude, the girl called you a dick friend, how can you not go for that”…well, because most of these things don’t feel like attraction. It might be obvious to you guys, but it isn’t to me.

    but like I say, that lack of drive or motivation is literally one of the main symptoms of whatever it is that I have, and what I am working with forge to ID and cure. So its ridiculous when I push past that and go out for 8 hours like I did this past weekend, and all I get is complaints over how I didn’t do enough.

    you guys just don’t have experience with this.

  64. @ias

    Yes, I think that making the move in person would have been more challenging for her. Will keep it in mind in the future. Yet I also thought, “I am tall, more or less in shape, younger, have made her laugh… while she is a fat 30-something spinster living with mom and dad and stuck in a dead end job. Hell she should be jumping at me” and just pushed it.

    I can’t deny a certain air of self-fulfilling prophecy, but I don’t regret it; I like to try out outrageous stuff with girls I don’t care much about to see how far it takes you.

    @ zipper

    Totally agree. I bet she will come back.

  65. @hank my bro – no one is saying you don’t have health issues. We can see that and sympathize (even if we can’t empathise)

    But you may want to think seriously about why every single guy here – and we are all on your side and pulling for you, Sentient included (lol) – is telling you pretty much the same thing. Do you think it’s just possible you may have a point?

    Look at Dr Zipper – he’s one of the most chilled out posters going and you managed to frustrate even him.

    Like look dude, I lost the first week of my blitz because there some family issues. I’ve been doing blitz for the last few days. And it’s SUCKED (well I had a couple online dates and the now-routine toilet HJ/BJ/hotel room lay after 30-120 mins – it’s almost boring now). Went daygaming for three hours with a good wing yesterday – we both had crappy state but he managed to drag himself out and do a few approaches and get one number at least. I did ZERO. Just completely froze like a deer in the headlights every time a fuckable girl walked past me in the mall. Even a couple of the cute girls blatantly locking eyes with me as they walked past.

    But you know what? I’m not blaming anyone else or some factor outside my control for it. It’s ME. I know I have the skills. I know I have more than enough knowledge. I KNOW that at the end of the day I have to take the action. I need to DO.

    And I will. I have almost a week of Blitz left. I will. And if I don’t, it’s on ME. But I will.

  66. Come on now Culum…! Loosen up broski… Do a few stop and “well” hand gestures (arms open palms up) until she says something… Go do some bouncer game… Will make you confident. Amazing to watch people fall right in line. Fascinating shit… You can really fuck with people.

    I do all this solo i know you can…

    1. Tune your brain… Play the state music loop.
    2. R E L A X into it.
    3. Repeat… The night is young and it only takes one.
    4. You never know…
    5. Laugh at a blow out…. Fuck you cunt I play hockey style.
    6. Crack on.

    You got this.

  67. @Sentient

    ok… got a little bit of time…

    duuuuude… are ya ready?…lol

    here it comes…!!!

    LOOKS DON”T MATTER!!!…lol…

    oh… and i told you this was gonna happen…lol… (and no i’m actually not kidding…)

    now that that is out of the way, let’s get to it…shall we?…

    i’m tooo lazy to look it up, but maybe IRL can find it… he seems to have some pretty good search skillzzzz…lol

    remember chinese girl… she was SOOOOO HOTTTTTT!!!!!!… and why did you fail with her? bc “LOOKS MATTER”… the FI social conditioning that informs “looks matter” ALSO told you that she was ‘out of your league’… at least ‘enough’… (in her frame…)

    remember that EE model girl that you thought was a pro?… and that those thoughts left you in her frame juuuust enough to cancel out your margin of error?… and that THAT was the same thing that happened with chinese girl?…

    The idea (which i covered in that other thread pretty well…) is that to the extent that you let ‘looks matter’ to you, you will have juuuust that much of your MPoO in her frame… which reduces your margin of error… rinse and repeat for every situ with a turbo hottie…lol

    and just to make sure the concept is clear… this is MALE looks ‘mattering’ that we are talking about… (the general concept is similar to coasting… ie, NOT running solid game… BC you have that FI approved ‘edge’…)… but what the FI giveth, the FI can taketh away…lol

    let’s do an old-style FR review… for old time’s sake…lol


    Newly culum in particular take note. And HABD question on the FI at the bottom.

    So out in one of my fav cities, hit a few happy hour places a little late. Not much going on. So decide to get dinner at this place I really love. At this point I’ve openwd maybe two women…

    only 2?… stuck in our head are we?…lol

    Just casual stuff. As I eat I ponder the night ahead and game thoughts intrude where to go what to say blah blah…

    I finish up and ground myself.. R E L A X as Aaron Rodgers says. The night is young and it only takes one. My mantra. You have no idea what is in store so don’t stress… Experience has proven if you relax into it and act something usually happens…

    So it’s late twilight now little before 8. Great time to do street game. It’s night game disguised as daygame. Single sets… Girls are heading from someplace to someplace, usually back to a shit apartment and a cat. Momentum is your friend and it is easy to bounce for a drink as night descends.

    So i do my Bruce Willis in Unbreakable stroll… Just slowly stride through the crowd and let let them wash over me. Keeping open to sensations. I am walking on what the Brits would call the High Street, striding half the speed of the crowd. Upright chest out sloooow. Probably looks ridiculous lol. But I find this creates a little wave around you… Some peacocking as shoals of people open up before you.

    this is actually really great!… it’s fun as hell!…ask me how i know…lol… and the sea of humanity parts for THE alpha stud… absolutely crushing DHV…

    (the only thing better would be doing it while wearing a black leather coat while out killing vampires… like Blaximus does on the weekends…lol)

    I give a few smiles as girls walk by me. A head nod… Just keep strolling. About 10 minutes into this a vision appears 20 feet ahead and approach.

    uh, oh! NLP social conditioning WARNING!!!! FI proximity ALERT!!! whoop! whoop!!!!…lol

    Solid 8 blonde, fantastic knee length belted and sleeveless dress, flowing to knee. Nice pearl bracelet… All of it expensive snd super tasteful. Body like a Channel mannequin. Perfect make up. Just fucking elegant and sexy.

    OK.

    more importantly… was she SOOOOO HOOOOOTTT!!!!???…lol… this girl already seems like YOU are thinking she is out of your league…

    She is getting closer. I laser her. She is staring back. I nod. She gives a quick quarter smile as she is about to walk on past – check that – fucking glide sexily past. [was your tongue on the ground too?… like Roger Rabbit?…lol… seriously, did you even try to do the ‘find 3 things you would change to make her more perfect’ thought process?…] I stop open my arms out and give her the And? Look. She walks by a few feet turning to look at me and laughs. I walk ahead five feet and back up to a shop window and motion her to come over.

    didn’t have enough outcome independence to wait her out, eh?…lol… this is likely where you reduced your margin of error ‘enough’… bc this is where the frame was set… in HER frame… with you chasing… note – you could have turned it around at plenty of different spots… but this set the overall interaction pattern… yes, your mother/father were right… first impressions DO count…lol… even for girl’s hindbrains…

    She laughs and comes over. I lean back on the window and say ” sooo. What are you doing?” She laughs like I am an idiot and says “I’m walking!” In an EE accent. Ah of course. I love when you just jam girls and they just blurt out exactly what they are thinking. Lol.

    the open is a question = beta (usually)… but just opening her like that is DHV as f*k…, so it doesn’t matter…

    She asks what I am doing. I say “Well I just had a fantastic dinner and I am looking to buy a pair of pants… Maybe you can help me. You look like you have a leeeeeetle bit of style about you. She laughs and says “just a little huh” I say “yeah. But I can work with it I guess”. She is lolling. This becomes a call back thing.

    this was a logical answer, but the teasing would have cancelled it out… IF the underlying subcomms were that you hadn’t already put her on that pedestal…lol… by recognizing that she ‘had style’… AND that that was something you valued… dog language/cat-o-nese translator broke down here…lol… bc you were thinking that bc it was something that YOU wanted (stylish pants) that that was the important element, but it’s not… girls are solipsistic…lol… and you were putting a huge amount of value on her… IF you were going to have her pick out your clothes for you…lol…

    So now she shifts gears and says she is walking so I can walk with her if I want to talk. Not the time for a frame battle…

    can you think of a better time?… oh, YEA… back at the stop…lol… but failing that… sooner is better… bc at some point it becomes too late…

    So we stroll off together in the direction she is headed.

    this is one more step down the ‘follow her/chasing her’ path…

    Chat about the pants, [increasing her value to you… bc of her style…] her accent, I guess Bulgarian but she says Russian. I say Russian too obvious and boring. She laughs… We pass an architecturally interesting plaza so I say lets go this way… Some leading. [good… it’s never too early to lead…] Little NPL stuff how beautiful these buildings are. We stop and look around. Some more logistics chit chat. She lives a mile a way. She asks where I am staying I give her the hotel name (mistake!)

    true… but do you see why?… and no, it’s not bc she now knows where you are staying…

    she gave you a compliance test (asked a direct question) and you answered it directly…

    Which is a couple blocks away. We continue to walk a bit… Close side by side so our arms are bumping.

    i’m going to assume that you didn’t make her take your arm when you started walking at the begining… bc THAT would have been a small compliance test to start the frame battle shifting toward you…

    It’s hot out though so I lead her to some benches to sit down. She says well if you are hot we should go inside and have a drink.

    did you sexualize at all?… (misconstrue her saying that you are ‘hot’…) “Well, thank you! i think you’re hot too…” (said like it’s an obligation to return the complement… not like you really think she is SOOOOO HOOOOT!!!…lol)

    She points to the tall building ahead and says there is a top floor bar. OK then… Buuuuut my Prodar is now pinging 10/10… This easy?

    IF… you are alpha stud… it IS that easy…lol…

    but this whole ‘prodar’ thing is that ‘looks matter’ FI social conditioning in play… bc WHY would a turbo hottie be ACTUALLY interested in an old guy like you?… in spite of those ‘older man/young turbo hottie photos’ that you post… bc she is SOOOO HOOOOT!!!!…

    why would you assume that a pro WOULDN’T want to bang you on her free time?… or even go off the clock for you?… serious question… bc (((I))) would… and i’m just a recovering omega sperg…lol… (and i’m pretty sure that Blaximus or SFC Ton would expect the same…lol)

    bc AWALT… girls are just girls…

    oh, yea… i remember now… the (((FI)))…lol…

    So i say “No surprises though” and she is what do you mean? I smile and say “we’ll see”… But grab the lead. I say no to that place but I know a cool hidden spot nearby, a dark quiet lounge with good drinks and no attitude. And hidden. She lives here and has no idea.

    DHV… and then… you kill it… and not in a good way…lol…

    On the way we talk restaurants and I rattle off a dozen places.

    i can smell the validation seeking from this side of the monitor…lol…

    She is impressed with my local knowledge.

    beta bait…

    I say well I’ve been coming here for 20 years…

    aaaand, you take the bait…lol..

    (note – for the lurker/newbies/men playing along at home – there are two frame choices here that Sentient has (positive Sentient/negative girl) – if Sentient pushes the ‘i’m great bc i have all this local knowledge’ idea, normally that would be a DHV… buuut, he is doing it to impress HER… bc his response is in reply to her ‘being impressed’… the other frame choice is to push the idea that she is a failure for not knowing all that stuff…lol…

    “you’re impressed with THAT?…lol… i thought you lived here?… oh, you do? huh… wow, you’re easy…” [with some laser…until she blushes…lol]… “i’m just a tourist and even ((I)) know that stuff… here, let me introduce you to YOUR city…”

    So i lead her to this place down a dark alley to a bare metal door with a rough dude standing outside. She gives a me “this real?” Look. I say “come on” give the doorman a What’s up man. He cards her. I say come on man she is 40… Just has good plastic surgery… She lols. This becomes another thing. Take her hand lead her in down a dark hall then turn and boom you are in this cool lounge. She is like wow this is neat… Stride in leading her by the hand like a boss. The bar is full so i get us a booth in the corner.

    this is great…

    Perfect. Side by side. Kino tests… She is ok. I keep taking her hand then tossing it off… Back of my mind I’m still thinking OK so what is the deal here…

    that’s bc you are in her frame… sooo, she’s not all in…

    So we have a drink and an app and banter…

    did you make her pay?… or split the bill?…

    I’m teasing her a lot but playfull.

    i’m betting, but not sexual… which is that whole FI ‘looks matter’ shit coming back to bite you…

    My drink has a huge flower on it i say ” man if I wasn’t so gay this would be a problem” she is lolling. We talk about her travels etc. I ask what she does and she says “not much”

    ya know, just for fun… you could actually switch the ‘boy/girl roles around here and analysis the ‘game’ interaction…lol… i’m surprized she didn’t say ‘bean farmer’…lol…

    so I say she is a streetwalker and this becomes a thing. Lot of playful stuff, [any of it sexual?…] some of the time my arm is around her as we talk and laser, some of the time I am pushing her away and making fun of her.

    When we are lasering from 5 inches i go to kiss her and she gives me an elegant cheek and I stop amd pull back. Roll off and tease her “oh I see. Cheeky McCheekster huh”

    see my comment to newlyaloof… ANY comment = overt = beta/reacting to her… you need to handle escalation on subcomm channels…

    and she laughs and says – check that – drips sexily in the accent “you are not goink to ruin my male up”…

    she’d let SFC Ton ruin her make up…lol

    Ok we will see… But now Prodar is confused…

    no, but THAT’s what it looks like from the inside seat on the beta bucks express…lol…

    Damn did I misjudge again. [no… it’s the FI pushing on you…] I have another drink she doesn’t. She asks about my kids and we talk about that.

    [i would put a face palm here, but i’m tooo lazy…lol]

    She just barely mentions wife and I just barely acknowledge same.

    you mean like newlyaloof did on his FR?…

    Totally not a thing for her… [why would it be?… serious question…] Anyhow time to bounce. So we roll out, her on my arm. Walking back TOWARDS my hotel…

    if you were walking away from her place, then you could have still pulled her… which is likely, bc she is STILL throwing shit tests at you (her hindbrain is still trying to figure out where you fit into her sexual repro strategy overall)…

    She says “You are man you should be on street side to protect me” i joke with her and say she is my shield i am too pretty… But I do switch at the corner and she likes that. Euro girls…

    bc now she has NO doubt…

    So I never mention where we are headed and we turn the corner and there is my hotel and she smiles and says “oh look your hotel” as we are out front… Shit. She remembered the name. I say “yeah but it is too early, lets go next door for another drink” she says she is going to head home. It’s 10 now. She says “we have tomorrow, you will be here”.

    the unspoken thought there is ‘if i need you to buy me dinner…’…lol…

    So we are embracing. Her fucking body is super super tight, waist must be 20 inches.

    was she SOOOO HOOOOT!!!!! ?…lol… (note the 4!!!!…)

    Stomach to stomach. I go to kiss her again she tries the cheek. I pull back and laser shake my head no. She comes in for a kiss but not a full make out. Some light kissing. Then she says “here take my number, we can get together tomorrow” punch it in and she is like “call it to male sure” and I do… It vibrates and she is smiling “i like it when it vibrates”…

    Pavlovian validation…lol… but actually that’s just more beta bait… which i’m guessing was a recursing theme in your ‘date’…

    Hug and ass caress goodbye… She slinks off…

    I scratch my head… Prodar busted? Long con… BB? Huh… We will see.

    At one point we did the guess the age thing and she says “guess but be nice… A little compliment”…

    did you spot this as a compliance test in situ?… i’m guessing not…

    I stroker her bare upper chest and tell her if she is old this is where the wrinkles are… Guess 24. She is like Yes!… Perfect! I looked her up she is 28… Turns out she is an investor, has family money I guess… And was a dancer and a yoga instructor…

    sounds like you two had a great time validating each other…lol… but that’s no way to get your dick wet…lol…

    you seem to be pretty good at this validation stuff… i’m looking for instructors for my new product… i just got it ramping up… it’s described in this comment… you might be a natural…lol

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/06/22/the-princess-experience/comment-page-3/#comment-161364

    i had a falling out with one of my instructors… dude went all “postive mindsety” on me… just bc RSD had an opening… for some reason…

    lol…

    Now what was interesting is that she was undeniably super hot, and smart, sophisticated, a lady and also a child.

    but mostly she was SOOOO HOOOT!!!!… right?…lol…

    And I found myself really drawn into this vortex of positive feminine energy… Just enjoying having a smoking hot accomplice.

    could you even feel the FI’s hand on your shoulder?… serious question…

    Now I did want to bang but it was a second order item… I’ve been with 6s who were fucking making me hard just being close to them… Raw sex appeal…

    Here it was more like a perfect possession. A different feeling. And it wasnt that i didn’t feel entitled…

    you didn’t feel entitled to ‘desire sex’… but you did feel entitled to BB sex…

    It was more like I felt well of course now here is my hot Russian girlfriend… Like we were dating. Fucking rom comming… Seriously i could see myself having a nice lobster salad and sancerre lunch… Do a little shopping and THEN go back to bang… Just enjoying her company.

    bc why wouldn’t you have to ‘earn her’?…lol…

    Wild…

    the FI is cunning and pervasive…

    So HABD is the FI so devious that it draws out our nurturing protecting possesing side despite our best efforts?

    no… it slides a wedge in with a ‘looks matter’ value set… and then uses that idea/value set to leverage FI values into your interactions… in this case, BB provisioning/dating relationship as a ‘requirement for sexual access’ to the turbo hotties (above some HB/sophistication rank…)… bc you know… NAWALT…lol…

    Strange but fun few hours… We will see if we meet up tonight.

    lol…

    but here’s a serious question… was she a bad girl?… or was she a good girl?…

    good luck!

  68. Yay HABD is back.

    Thanks for your input and breakdown. Stick around because when I can cut and paste tomorrow there are a bunch of points I want to turn over. For lurkers, not in a defensive manner at all, but to draw out more understanding, particularly in a few places where what I (and others) did worked, and fill in a few glossed over deets on the FR, for clarification and confirmation.

    And yes it felt exactly like chinese model which was almost to the day 2 years ago…

    Overall the outcome is undeniable… Not enough alpha and sexualization… No signing on the line that is dotted… No Glengarry leads for me. 😢

    I’m still – struggling is too strong a word – intellectually curious in a detached way is more appropriate, looking to peel back on the Why? around the pleasurable feelings and reserved sexual urgency. Still difficult to explain.

    I would say the the line of thinking that I don’t feel entitled because of their looks and have to earn it isn’t it though. If anything I feel so entitled that sex is secondary, like of course we will have sex. And of course she will be with me because I am super awesome. I lose way more lays being lazy and not running proper game due to my arrogance, for example. I’m open to the idea this is perhaps super suppressed and therefor cognitively unrecognizable, but dubious indeed. Which of course defines a blind spot lol. We will see. Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe…

    The Prodar thing. I am just going to have to bite the bullet and turn it off. Too many mixed signals. But seriously, I cant be the only guy that constantly runs across pros and the detestible semi pros? Guys chime in? Rollo you must see this endlessly in Vegas… The reservation, the holding back waiting for a pitch, it hurts though. I don’t want to waste time and get the surprise cause my field time is limited. But I’ll have to fully commit. Here it really screwed up some of the early interaction and there was an impact at the end where more of my mind was taken up with “what kind of game is she running?”… Part of that is professional life cynicism and paranoia creeping in. But off it is so be it.

    Your cliff hanger had me lolling…

    “but here’s a serious question… was she a bad girl?… or was she a good girl?…”

    This is super juicy… Because I simultaneously don’t at all believe in Madonna Whore, having enough AWALT experiences, and yet I enjoy the idea at the same time… Both the duality of the Lady on the street Freak in the sheets aspect with an individual girl as well as with respect to seperate relationships – Wife/Mother and side pieces… I Love You To Death style “you can’t cook for me, thatsa for my wifa”…

    Will be fun cracking into this more.

    Thanks

  69. “didn’t have enough outcome independence to wait her out, eh?…lol… this is likely where you reduced your margin of error ‘enough’… bc this is where the frame was set… in HER frame… with you chasing… ”

    She was going North and I South… I walked 5 feet further South and locked in.

  70. “why would you assume that a pro WOULDN’T want to bang you on her free time?… or even go off the clock for you?… serious question… bc (((I))) would…”

    Interesting I have no answer… Hmmm. Dog logic loop running… Pro /pay…

  71. @HABD with a masterful breakdown. Impressive!

    What is even more impressive is the girl (and others) are doing that breakdown in real time, automatically, without even thinking about it…

  72. @HABD

    but here’s a serious question… was she a bad girl?… or was she a good girl?…

    She was…a girl

    Here’s a FR from yesterday with a “good girl,” lol.

    Mrs. Gamer was virgin when we married and had only had one bf previously and had only kissed him sweetly on the lips…she didn’t know how to French when we met.

    I was lying on the sofa resting after lifting a set…Mrs. Gamer walks over and flashes her boobs at me…twice…I lift some more…Mrs. Gamer walks over and sticks a nipple in my mouth…I give it a little attention, but not much…I lift some more…doing lats with free weights lying on the floor…Mrs. Gamer messes with my junk, trying to get my attention and distract me from lifting…I ignore her…this goes on for a couple of minutes

    good girls are just…girls

    Here’s another FR from last Fri. night with hot girls

    My group had been out hiking last night and it was dark when we got to a patio where there was a fire pit and chairs. Two hotties were sitting at the far end of the patio and the girl who organized the hiking event chatted with them, so I assumed that they were part of our group who missed the start of the hike. I was curious about them and wanted to introduce myself, so I approached. I stood between them, leaning on a chair over them. The girls were looking up at me and got lit up and chatted with me for a few minutes. Turns out they were park volunteers and they were taking care of the fire pit.

    You’d think that an old guy like me wouldn’t be able to get hot girls lit up just by approaching them, but…

    1. I was part of a group…social proof

    2. I approached the girls…it was like daygame where merely approaching girls is a massive DHV

    3. I was leaning over the girls and they were looking up at me…I showed dominant body language

    3. the girls were volunteers and were there to service the paying customers

    But the hot girls were lit up because

    hot girls are just…girls

  73. I need suggestions

    always seem to get to a part of the conversation in which things like having a son leads to questions about marital status and basically infer ‘why is a guy that supposedly has his shit together out her in this bar trying to pick up chicks like these other losers?’ the oblique questions are easier to deal with, the direct ones pin me back and I don’t really know how to ‘pass the test’

    I do feel self-conscious in that yeah, if I was so badass why am I not out there doing badass things and having women line up instead of me going out to peacock and preen to get a girl’s attention?

    if preselection can work for you, then the fact that a woman has left you would seem to work against you; they’ve gotta be thinking that well, if this guy is so great, why would she have left?

    I know it’s in my head and sprouting from my own insecurities….. some ingrained FI tentacle is blinding me, please help me remove it

  74. @zipper

    always seem to get to a part of the conversation in which things like having a son leads to questions about marital status and basically infer ‘why is a guy that supposedly has his shit together out her in this bar trying to pick up chicks like these other losers?’ the oblique questions are easier to deal with, the direct ones pin me back and I don’t really know how to ‘pass the test’

    First, you are still being puppeteered by the FI…why shouldn’t guys be picking up chicks in bars…what’s wrong with that?…girls are looking for Mr. Goodbar themselves, of course…you’re a man, you want pussy, very simple…that red pill is hard to swallow, lol

    now to direct questions…several possibilities…

    agree and amplify…”yeah, My wife left me, I’m just living in my parents basement jacking off to porn, lol”…clearly, you’re out having a good time and your wife leaving you is NO BIG DEAL and you are looking for girls…that’s the nonverbal message

    or

    “I need to see a man about a dog…be right back”…and you move on if she’s awkward

    You have many options…build your social skills…this is a social skills question you raise.

    Do you build social proof before you approach girls? First, get in the habit of having fun when you’re out without worrying about girls. Chat up the bartenders, the waitresses…they are social and appreciate any man who is bringing value by treating them like people. Chat up the bouncers, too, and ask them for tips. When you chat up people, you build up social proof and demonstrate value. Get a girl to laugh, then say you’ll check with her later and immediately move to the next until you’ve opened a few girls…don’t snipe at just one…that builds habits of losers. Get in the habit of having fun and building social proof.

  75. Zipper

    The inquiry is an IOI usually… Do you see that?

    “Whoa whoa… Slow your roll, I’m still getting to know you and you are thinking about marraige…lol”

    Tease her… But if they persistent just say “she wasn’t the right woman for me” (reframe your life) and use that to lead her where you want to go. You got to let go of the logical mindset… So where do you want to go…

    “heh… Yeah she wasn’t the right woman for me… I mean she was hot (preselection) and she was good in bed (sexualize) but she had these hang ups from her religious upbringing… She wasnt open to just living in the moment, seizing what pleasure we can come acrosss in this crazy world (setting a spontaneous non judgmental frame) and really enjoying herself fully. (lasering the fuck out of her like she is raw meat)… So i had to cut her loose. I mean I can’t live that way (setting apart)… I’m the kind of guy that I see what I want and I go take it (laser, kino) and yeah sometimes that’s risky (risk taker) but that’s what being ALIVE is about…(spike yolo emotions) You know?

    It’s cool she met a nice guy accountant and they got married so all good. I couldn’t fake being that guy again ( aloof asshole frame)

    So…”

    lead to where you want to go…
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oG-nnDlnWrA

    And be who you want to be…

  76. And Doc… I’d hit that Mystery Method book (and follow up with the 7 or so hour long online clips) sooner rather than later. That bit is a basic routine stack structure to handle a situation that comes up over and over and progress the seduction towards your goals of p in v…

    Chess not checkers…

    And study it like your life depended on it… Cause it might. 😃

  77. had a nice little yoga practitioner/physical therapist on the hook last night (reminded me of what a Megan Fox might look like w/out makeup… just my type) and she was definitely intrigued and probing for more info; I finally get her to spill she’s got an 11 yo son, so I fucking blurt out some dumbass “me too” shit and I’m pretty sure that’s where things got derailed; went from possible stud to just another divorced dad piecing a crumbled life back together; she even politely refused any exchange of numbers when I was still trying to salvage the mess

    ouch

    and oscar, it felt like shit and humiliation, still does if that’s what I choose to focus on; but to do that would be to discount the most outstanding run of good shit that got me to that point to begin with; without that behind me, I’d likely not have felt ready to even go up to this girl and her friend to run the boldest and brashest like-a-boss approach I’ve even done in my whole life… it was going *that* good all night up until then so fine, I’m at least now a hundred miles ahead of where I was just a few hours earlier though obviously still a ways to go

    good perspective leads to good attitude, oscar, attitude…. you control that part of yourself you can own the world

  78. Zipper: questions about marital status

    Sentient: The inquiry is an IOI usually

    This is confusing…Zipper has pinged on a girls Beta-dar…for me, that’s a meh…probably Zipper wants to ping on a girl’s Alpha-dar…Zipper’s presentation is probably beta…and the beta presentation is due to mindset…being plugged in to the FI matrix for years…fixing this is where the focus ought to be…(girls almost never ask my marital status because I don’t give off those beta signals)

    So, of course, as Sentient suggested, you want to flip her switches so that you ping on a girl’s Alpha-dar…you have to do this stuff until you fix your mental programming so that you’re no longer plugged into the Matrix…it will feel a bit weird doing this stuff because it’s incongruent with your mindset

    Gotta reinforce other’s recommendation. Read MM ASAP. It’s foundational for game.

  79. @Dr. Zipper

    You ask questions like a pro. The Mystery Method book ends with this:

    Sticking Points

    Every venusian artist has sticking points, which are parts of his game that are currently causing him trouble. Even the best venusian artists have sticking points and will be eager to discuss them in order to discover new ideas for overcoming them. In fact, if someone is ever reluctant to discuss his sticking points, then likely the person is not a venusian artist at all, but a keyboard jockey.

    Whenever your game reaches a new level, you will be confronted with new challenges and new sticking points. This process is never ending — the frustration often only increases with skill, and many will not have the patience to practice the venusian arts to mastery. To those who do, go the spoils.

    Sentient said: “And Doc… I’d hit that Mystery Method book (and follow up with the 7 or so hour long online clips) sooner rather than later. That bit is a basic routine stack structure to handle a situation that comes up over and over and progress the seduction towards your goals of p in v…
    Chess not checkers…”

    And second to last ends with this:

    Waypoints

    Whenever the venusian artist opens a set and begins the game, he is likely to encounter the same waypoints on his journey from meeting to sex.

    Some waypoints are:
    • Opening the set
    • Hook Point (Flurry of IOIs)
    • Locking-in
    • “So how do you all know each other?” (optional)
    • Introduction of playful kino
    • “Would you like to join us?” (optional)
    • She qualities herself or otherwise chases you.
    • Isolate the target for comfort-building
    • Compliance threshold
    • Kissing
    • Time bridge
    • “Your friend and I like each other, are you cool with that?” (optional)
    • Bounce to a C2 location
    • Bounce to a seduction location
    • Overcoming LMR

    The waypoints are important because they must all occur at some point in every set. If your game isn’t where you want it to be, figure out which waypoint is giving you the most trouble and then focus your practice efforts in that area.

    Keep in mind, Sentients recommendations for lines involves Mystery’s 5 Attraction Triggers, which are all derivative of Preselection

    -Leader of men.
    -Protector of loved ones.
    -Preselected by other women.
    -The ability to emote.
    -Risk taker. Someone who takes risk is attractive.

    @Dr. Zipper

    I can’t give much concrete advice on direct game aspects, but I can give some abstract advice on Mental Point of Origin and Frame and Social proof. Because I have had a lot of reference experiences in Mindset and Social Proof and socializing with social proof.

    I agree with ASDgamer on generating Social Proof. Social Proof and Pre-Selection trump your:
    “…I know it’s in my head and sprouting from my own insecurities…”

    (BTW, as an aside question, is your son in High School or College?)

    There is this structure of positive mental point of origin and Frame that comes from Reality Transurfing (which is learned structure for good MPoO and Frame). Here’s how that goes:

    Instead of having inner desire and inner intention to not be seen as a loser who’s wife left him, you transform that into outward intention and outward action (choosing moves on the chess table after they show up. Not just desiring things to potentially happen. But choosing your plays from what is what is going in real time in your set). Keep your moves in your frame. And be positive about the fact that the moves that you can act on will definitely present themselves to you. ‘Cause they definitely will.

    I’m going to link an article from a site called Girlschase dot com. Keep in mind it is a clickbait site but has some great articles on PUA Gaming. That site keeps a lot of cookies and tries to sell you service and article access. (but it keeps track and gives you ten free article reads a month.

    You can turn off or block your browser from accepting cookies from the site. The site is otherwise non-malicious.

    The article is “The Pro’s and Con’s of Social Proof Seduction”.

    The author thinks it’s too much effort and he doesn’t need it for his Game. But it could help in start up situations like you find yourself in.

    http://www.girlschase.com/content/pros-and-cons-social-proof-seduction

    Keep in mind also, my contention that social proof can also come from other males. But that having-social-proof-from-other-males does involve a lot of time and effort. (And there are not that many men being good at being men out there). And it is a tricky business as the author of the article I linked mentions.

    But it beats not having as much Social Proof. Who knows?, you could end up befriending a married, monogamous red pill wingman.

  80. Thanks Sentient. I’m on it for the next few days (tonight I’m out with a wing doing nightgame which should be fun, although I can’t deny there’s a part of me that feels a bit nervous and outcome dependent about it, thinking it would be SOO much more fun to watch Netflix at home..)

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