For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
what could have been a brutal slapdown I turned into a demo of standing my ground in a (hopefully) nonbutthurt way that I currently feel good about been doing some low-grade flirting (thx ton) with this early 20s waitress from whom I apparently misinterpreted her friendliness as being receptive to my *obvious* flirting I had done some of that last night, in fact, that was part of my successful first part of the evening so tonight I go to the nice little restaurant in town where she works and she’s there again with what I perceive as a genuine gladness… Read more »
Dr. Z Sounds like she was in Lurv. Lol. Young chicks laser, bat their eyes and kino even when they aren’t flirting. In fact most early 20’s chicks don’t really know how to flirt. That’s why guys have to drive the interaction and don’t get miffed when they get all ” huh? What? I wasn’t flirting… Etc… Boyfriend… Blah blah “. You won’t know if you don’t try. Lots of young chicks dig older men. You’ll find that the number that do will outnumber the one’s that don’t. lol at her ” morals ” shit. Good work on not getting… Read more »
@dr zipper – good work on pushing the comfort zone and asking her out. The important thing is that you did it (not her reaction – you can only control what you can control). As you practice more you’ll get better at telling the difference between professional friendliness and real interest (this is the kind of thing men like Blax and Ton do on instinct and can’t understand why everyone doesn’t just get it as soon as they talk to a girl, but for the rest of us it takes practice so kudos for getting in some of that practice).… Read more »
The whole point of game. The whole reason your out tonight. The whole reason your talking to this bitch is to stick your dick inside of her. Don’t forget that
thanks guys but culum, fuck them if they don’t like what I do…. I’m friendly enough and it was nothing on my end that was part of the problem
if I wanted to ask her out then I’m gonna do it, I’m the fucking one making shit happen in life, not that dumb little bitch
I know this sounds angry but it’s not, I’m fucking channeling Ton right now and it feels awesome
lol, that’s definitely the plan j
but after a bit more reconn, I’m gonna have to scratch her off the list
@culum no one is saying you don’t have health issues. We can see that and sympathize (even if we can’t empathise) Its pretty clear they don’t. Its like having a person who wants to be a pro sprinter that has a serious accident where they have to relearn how to walk, and people are saying “Why aren’t you winning gold medals! Why aren’t you out running?” Its not realistic to expect that — if there is a major improvement, great, but the focus is gonna be simply on relearning to walk and that mainly involves staying positive and keeping at… Read more »
@Dr. Zipper: I’m with Culum pretty much all the way on the analysis. Even if you didn’t get butthurt (we all would LOL if you reported that you replied “I pay hockey”). You were still too reactive and cared too much about what she thought, otherwise you wouldn’t have cared to reach the “yes it is my preference” stage. Who cares what the historical norm was? You are an alpha stud, you don’t care about any norms (past or present), and she doesn’t if she is sufficiently aroused. If you really wanted to continue the interaction you should side-step and… Read more »
Hank
Its amazing to me how this is an Field Report section, and I can’t even get any breakdowns. That is all I want.
Lol…. go fuck yourself you pussy. You’ve had breakdowns and you shit the bed with defensive BS…
No soup for you!
Doctor Z….
How would Mystery have handled that situation?
You’re just bulling in a china shop.
And on duty servers/bartenders are very hard pulls. Not the best batting practice cause they are paid to flirt so you easily misread them… sure be friendly and charming – that’s your practice –
but you will need a lot more in the way of iois and sexualizing to escalate on them.
Learn and move on right?
And Doc… don’t use the easy availability as a buffer… Better to start right now doing The Hard Work and cold approaching civilian chicks… early and often.
How many other approaches did you make last night?
Millennial solipsism on full display:
That’s it. All the “man up, don’t be a pussy” BS isn’t gonna work at all.
What WILL work is 100% impartial breakdowns. That’s it.
Give me what I want you bastards… exactly how I want it!!! Now!!
This world is fully fucked.
But another 10/10 display of the mindset Hank that has fucked you so thoroughly…
@dr zipper – to add one more thing about learning to spot real IOIs and gaming on duty hired guns. You may want to check out some strip clubs. About 2-3 years ago (when I was still doing mostly online game), I spent a few weeks going very regularly to strip clubs. Never paid for any dances, mostly chatted up the girls who came to ask me for dances. Never succeeded in even a number close (although came close a couple of times). But I learnt a LOT very very fast about spotting real IOIs and interest from a woman… Read more »
PPS – Didn’t Blax work in a strip club or something?
@ hank I’m not a doctor, and I’ve never even played one on TV, but from the symptoms you are describing it sounds like your having a hormonal issue. Instead of waiting for breakdowns of you fr’s , take time and google symptoms for: Low testosterone/andropause Hypothyroidism. The symptoms you described are going to need bloodwork to pin down. Don’t waste time seeing general practitioners, you sound like you need and endocrinologist. The lack or energy, and more specifically the flagging libido is very telling. Diet and exercise is crucial, but some issues require meds ( test and thyroid supplementation… Read more »
@having a bad day You my friend take it to the next level… hat tip… LOOKS DON”T MATTER!!!…lol… https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/06/good-girls-bad-girls/comment-page-4/#comment-155387 …and the follow up HABD’s responses to Rollo and others (scattered over a few pages) – a MUST READ. @Sentient, look at this part: […] being ‘fit’ is both easier (bc you have some amount of time to open/get in set)… and harder (bc you are going to have to work more at drawing some shit tests (to show your internals) and hold your frame better, so you can convince her hindbrain to go all in…lol… (and not just for ‘provisioning… Read more »
I’m just gonna post my Sat night FR in a bit, once I step out to get a coffee and flirt with the cute barista and come back.
Didn’t pull, but kudos [to myself LOL] for staying out till the bitter end – 45 mins after all the bars and clubs closed and going for the pull. Some interesting technical points too.
sent – don’t know yet how MM would have done it, lol, working on that; oh yeah, getting out there and breaking shit while trying to make it work…. lol that’s pretty much how I try to do shit in other areas, too she might have been doing the ‘paid to be nice’ stuff, I did consider that when ruminating over how to interpret our interactions over the last few weeks; and if it matters, I never did this shit in front of her co-workers… only when she and I could talk unheard; I just think that she’s just a… Read more »
IRL I suspect it has to do with the lack of sexual urgency with the hottest girls… Still not entitlement. Just lest rawness… Odd. But it’s more like I’d imagine her with me seated, curled up at my feet, and stroking her head like some kind of sexy Ocelot, while I sip a very old whiskey… Like the sex is secondary and assumed… The dopamine high is in possession. Very curious place to be. Part I attribute to being married and having drained ballz all the time. But not new… I had a 9 who worked for me 25 years… Read more »
@blax I’m not a doctor Exactly. Its nothing you’ve mentioned. Not trying to be a dick, but me and forge already have some likely candidates for my illness. There are many more symptoms that I am not listing here. I might luck out with there being a (sort of) quick fix, but it is more likely a fairly complicated disorder that can’t be fixed very quickly — it involves a number of factors and may need a complete lifestyle change. Spending years suffering isn’t the way to go. Like I’ve tried to explain to you before, you have an expiration… Read more »
… Oh Jesus Christ.
calling in the big guns, shouting out for for a miracle, eh blax? cuz that’s what it’s gonna take lol
Ok Hank… 😅
So, Saturday night Field Report from me. Interesting night after some very frustrating ones. Out with my quasi-Natural wing I’ve mentioned before (the goodlooking jacked dude, good personality and social skills, total BP romantic, but has enough basic pulling skills, combined with his looks, to get laid regularly, but his love life is like watching a soap opera with all the girls and emotional declarations and feelz in play. We get along well though and create a lot of good energy and vibes in the bar – in essence – this is unplanned – he plays cool guy/great catch and… Read more »
FR from Sat. night in country bar Got to the bar about 9:45…was walking thru a low-traffic area…saw a guy I know and he wanted to chat…while we were chatting, a girl he knows comes up and says hi to him…after chatting with him a bit, the girl starts chatting with me…wants to know my name…guesses that I’m a farmer…is running incidental kino on me…wants to know my “real occupation”…she’s drunk and I want her to leave, so I answer her question directly in dog-onese…she’s obviously wanting a direct answer with her cold-read that I’m a farmer…wants to know where… Read more »
@Culum “Need to drink even less to stay sharper” May i suggest my drink: red bull vodka. When its time to head out. I buy two cans of sugar-free (not tryin to get fat. Big reason i stopped drinking beer) red bull and a 200 ml of smirnoff i mixed them in an empty water bottle and listen to trance or rsd video while walking. Sometimes i even watch porn on the street to get myself into a sexual vibe and to prepare myself to handle social pressure. Its a process. It would be funny as fuck if all of… Read more »
Lol. Tyler is a really funny sounding motherfucker.
Real quick – “Point is, you suck at teaching newbies. You have only one way of seeing the world, only one way of teaching, and whenever someone else comes along with a better approach than you have, all you can do is just insult them. “ People learn in different ways. Sometimes, a teacher will change the way they teach in order to teach someone, but in my experience this is not always the best way for everyone, nor does it instruct one how to actually learn. You have to learn how to learn. There’s nothing, and I mean NOTHING… Read more »
@Sentient Maybe we should all have our T levels tested… lol… I’m definitely not a horndog. My natural buddy is and I can tell the difference in his interactions with girls. They see it too, it’s just raw (at the same time, he never approaches from cold and basically follows everything yareally used to say about naturals… but that’s a side note). I think this sexual rawness shapes many naturals, it’s just there under the skin all the time. Pings back as a sexual threat… Which brings me to an interesting thought. Check this out: “I suspect it has to… Read more »
just got back from the grocery store and had to relay this quickie… guess who was coming at me in the same aisle at the store? that same waitress girl from last night but this time with her betrothed and a little blonde toddler just another young couple in love and creating dependents before they can even rub 2 nickels together the absurdity made it funny as hell and I had the biggest grin as I passed her, she pretended to not see me with patience, life will reveal its lessons “who is this god you speak of and why… Read more »
IRL
Lol, you say it in jest, but I advocate for every guy in his late 20’s – early 30’s to get their T levels checked.
Numerous studies conducted show a generational decline in testosterone levels.
Anecdotally, most younger guys I know or associate with don’t seem to have the same libido/sex drive that I do as an old man. There’s a certain appreciation, not pedestalization, that males should have for the feminine.
Per my comment above, to clarify a bit – having an appreciation for the feminine does not mean being an awestruck beta.
I’m talking about the natural appreciation for the opposite sex for being ” opposite “. It is independent to what she might think. It’s not really about her at the end of the day….I gotta get that phrase out of my vocabulary.
Don’t eat soy. Avoid plastics/BPA’s. Eat red meat and consume copius amounts of fats, and keep the carbs down to a bare minimum.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2017/09/20/how-to-gain-weight/
@j – thanks dude that video’s great. I’m gonna try that. As for the booze, I prefer not drinking at all (it’s more something to DO, and less that I need the buzz) but I’m gonna try vodka like you suggest if I’m drinking..at least it won’t make me fat.. Oh and daytime LR with another online HB6 40 year old chick earlier today. I was pretty much on autopilot, and ended up in the same restroom stall in the same bar as usual having my way with her 90 minutes in. I literally can’t add any more new details,… Read more »
(when this chick told me online that I had “magnetic eyes” in my pictures, I knew I pretty much had it in the bag as long as I didn’t fuck it up)
More reason to stop drinking beer
http://www.returnofkings.com/130093/4-highly-estrogenic-foods-besides-soy-that-could-lower-your-testosterone
@Culum “Need to drink even less to stay sharper and open more with the girls at the end of the night..I’m not even sure how to open girls or what to say at that time of the night..” Dude, I know you know all this and that’s a reoccurring theme here, but again… because people don’t set goals and don’t try to achieve them (we’re all guilty of that): 1. Know exactly what you want In the case of your FR nights out, is it ‘cold approach’ sex? Being out and social? Opening 10+ girls? What is it? Clarity is… Read more »
@Blaximus “Lol, you say it in jest, but I advocate for every guy in his late 20’s – early 30’s to get their T levels checked.” No, I’m actually looking into it as we speak. Would you go to a clinic or is a DIY finger prick blood sample kit good enough? I never tried the latter… I’m also going to use the “I play hockey” line, watch porn before my next game night (or during lol) and try a few other things that I keep adding to my list. I always test stuff, if nothing than for fun and… Read more »
Blaximus: “I’m not a doctor” Hank: “Exactly. Its nothing you’ve mentioned. Not trying to be a dick, but me and forge already have some likely candidates for my illness. There are many more symptoms that I am not listing here. I might luck out with there being a (sort of) quick fix, but it is more likely a fairly complicated disorder that can’t be fixed very quickly — it involves a number of factors and may need a complete lifestyle change.” I am a doctor. And I’ve been observing psychology for decades. What we have here is failure to communicate… Read more »
@Culum Struan I thought you might appreciate the 15th chapter in that book: Very Glengarry Glen Ross…. Quote: CHAPTER 15 The Last (And Most Important) Lesson Most of the time after a coaching program, my alums go on to live happy social and dating lives and I don’t hear much from them except pictures and stories of their girlfriends, invites to their weddings, or when they choose to pay what they’ve learned forward and help guys who were in the same place they used to be. Sometimes though, a guy requires a bit of follow-up coaching (which I’m always more… Read more »
You need to have blood drawn and sent to a lab where they will test for Free Testosterone as well as Total Testosterone. High total numbers are fine, but high Free Test is greater. ” Free ” test exerts the influences that testosterone is known for ( Notorious for? ). For me, ideally, I also am starting to get estrogen levels monitored because the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen is a problem for older gentlemen. The test when used for men have drawbacks, according to my endo, and may not be that accurate. Zfg as I’m just monitoring detectable movement… Read more »
@Blaximus
Thanks, useful stuff!
Wait, Blax your total test (not free) is 1100-1400?? Isn’t that off the charts sky high insane? I had my total test tested (lol) a couple years ago aged 35 and it came out to around 1150-1200 I think, and I remember thinking WTF because all the online “healthy ranges” have a normal range at 250-950 (or thereabouts). 1400 in your mid 50s without TRT etc seems insanely high (not doubting you, just saying it’s incredible you manage it). @rest of guys – I take your points – more detailed reply probably tomorrow. I clearly do need a more focussed… Read more »
@Culum
“I remember thinking WTF because all the online “healthy ranges” have a normal range at 250-950 (or thereabouts)/”
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/the-war-against-testosterone/
IRL Interesting points. This “This is exactly what betas feel when they interact with girls matching their perceived SMV ” missing you here, seems betas feel raw terror more than lack of urgency. I’ve done enough SNL game to be sure I register as a sex option and all of that sex has been very dominant. I just need to avoid slipping into “enjoying the moment” and sexualize earlier when I’m in one of these moods… And leave the moments to after… But that changes the game from SNL game to multi day game. I’m betwixt and between… Rats! “What’s… Read more »
Oscar Lolz… Dropped the Orgasmologist line a little while ago… Boarding flight… I travel light so usually wait to the end to get on. There is an old couple ahead of me giving their ticket to the attendant… Then me, then a hot 8.x (5′ 9″ D cups skinny waist….tight jeans heels hair etc. Crazy body probs 32 though based on later comments)… The attendant tells the old guy he can bring his bag onboard he doesn’t have to check it. I give her shit for saving special room for this guy’s bag while I checked mine. She is a… Read more »
@ J Good link. @ Culum I’ve talked about it here before a while ago. I had to switch endos because my guy retired, and I got a sexy chick in his place. I’d run bloodwork, mainly for Thyroid levels, Test and cholesterol. Some odd shit had been going on with my thyroid briefly, and I decided to keep a bunch of hormones monitored for my own piece of mind, and I was fascinated by how much of what goes on in our body we have control over. Anyway, my initial bloodwork with my new doc years ago came in… Read more »
@Sentient My break down @The Blacker Pill 1. Go out on Saturday with a crew, end up at a bar. I’m in good form, work every group of single women there. I was in a pretty good mood and not very focused on outcome, there were some girls in our group, and we were out on the piss, so I was just having fun. Good start off to the night.Gets you in state. You have social proof. You’re not committed to girls in the group 2. During the course of the evening I start chatting to one of the hired… Read more »
@WIA
“Do you know why #’s fail? #’s fail because she wants to fuck the shit out of you when she gives you the #.”
+100
Damn. That breakdown was bad fucking ass man. Good shit.
” fumbled the pussy..”
*dead*
@Blax Firstly, I was only saying Sentient sucks at teaching. There are really no excuses, ” newb ” included. How badly do you want it? Well that’s it exactly. I spent the bulk of my twenties wanting to kill myself because there was nothing I enjoyed in life, and there was no point in living. I have no idea how I got through all that. Only gradually have I begun to find things I actually enjoy. The main thing is that I grew up in a very isolated spot, of all local white people. My main enjoyment in life is… Read more »
West Indian Archie
“She would have made it easy.”
cold and welcome truth…
Thanks
Update on Airport 8… Somehow she figured out my last name and from the limited info I gave her hit me with a linked in request…
Messaged her back ” hmmmmm. Somebody’s curious.”
Rollo
Show West Indian Archie some kink love on the sidebar. ???
Ha.
Link. Repeat Link. Not kink.
@Sentient: LOL what an autocorrect Freudian slip.
Phone sex with an ex is fun on the weekend, but as I’m quickly learning, it can become a buffer too. That’s why my Friday happy hour was a bust, but it was fun nonetheless cause of “Tip Game.” Go out to bar. Always pay as you go. After first drink, give the female bartender the following tip and she’ll be like a giddy little girl getting a puppy on her birthday. So amazing how chicks operate on a different plane. I gave two bartender girls the following tip on Friday and they each comped me. The one girl came… Read more »
Here’s another one I’d appreciate some insight on from a recent social event. A good friend of mine married a girl who has a sister 10 years younger than her. She is 16 years younger than me, but we met back in 2007 and there was instant chemistry. To the extent that her very conservative mom and dad picked up on it and started pushing us apart. We see each other about once every 2 years, but it’s always there. Yesterday she sees the new RP me for the first time at a family lunch, with 2 years of lifting… Read more »
@blacker pill,
Dude: “Hey blacker, can you get me a refill.”
Blacker pill: “Haha! That’s a funny one, dude” and walk off as if you seriously thought he was joking.
Blacker Pill “what is a good comeback you can bring in without escalating or going along either?” “I prefer not to” is a very very powerful frame. Magik 🌈 Interesting mom dynamic – why not both possibilities? “Can you…” Is often how old ladies flirt though… Let go of the past. Sounds like you handled her splendidly. Speaking og tooling … I’m at this thing with a frenemy. We’ve competed over chicks in bars before and I took a girl off him and another guy in a very “in your face way” a few years ago, making out with her… Read more »
@Sentient
Great story about the masterful AMOG. I need to try that.
What are you always telling us…get logistics…why was girl there…waiting to meet her bf…she took your valuable time near the close
I forgot a detail about last Sat. night…some guy asked me to dance so we danced a couple of steps, lol…initially I was averse, but I realized he was just building energy, so I went with it
ASd
Yeah i got logistics and they were perfect… She was staying at the same place I was. She never mentioned her “friend” was a dude though. Her Guy made things pretty clear though lol.
@BP 1) The Girl – you should have kept it surface level cordial, exchange contact information, and kept it moving. 2) The Mom – it really depends on your game chops and what you have at stake. But you can call her out, without calling her out. Same thing you’d do with a cockblock at a bar. “Are you just trying to get my attention? You could just say hello you know” Just put the mom on tilt. You could also call her out, privately. I don’t see any point to this, because the sex with the daughter will be… Read more »
“I prefer not to”
whoddathunk Bartelby was a pua?
“I stopped eating to focus on my drinking” — lol, I love this kind of turnaround
*bartleby
@blacker pill “In this case I was closer to the drinks, so I went off and poured some wine into a champagne glass and refilled my own drink. There was no audience this time, but I felt like it was a dominance display anyway, I just didn’t feel like creating something there by refusing.” Don’t refuse. Your demeanor should be like a giver in this equation, but fill your glass to near full and then his glass just below half. That would assert your dominance on him. He should know better than asking you to serve. This can be done… Read more »
bp – good advice here about the other fella amog’ing you…. but this part:
“a guy there who I have known for a while who I’ve had a difficult relationship with”
is where a bit more detail would be helpful to know how to handle it specifically
Archie
tight.
“These people are fucking with you and you want to engage them, instead of sidestep them on the way to your goal.”
Needs to be repeated. Ruthless.
@Sentient “didn’t have enough outcome independence to wait her out, eh?…lol… this is likely where you reduced your margin of error ‘enough’… bc this is where the frame was set… in HER frame… with you chasing… ” She was going North and I South… I walked 5 feet further South and locked in. i misunderstood this… bc that’s exactly what you should have done…lol… sooo, except for the beta style interest in HER at the open (what she was doing…), you had complete frame here to start… “why would you assume that a pro WOULDN’T want to bang you on… Read more »
@IRL – I’ve been thinking about your thing on focussing on my precise goal. I have three days left of this present Blitz. I have plenty of sex (three new women from online dates in the last ten days alone, 1-2 hours from first meet to lay in each case – two 6s, one 32 year old 6.5-7), so just sex is not a priority for me at the moment. There’s always room for improvement of course, but generally I’m on top of my subcomms, sexualization, escalation, conversation and things like that. What I *do* suck at is cold approach… Read more »
@culum The absolute easiest way to get used to opening people and feeling entitled is to start, actually, at a nightgame type venue — like a bar or club. Sit at a bar, and open people around you. What will happen is people will walk up to order a drink. Chat with them. You can talk about what they are ordering, tease them about it (you’re getting WHAT? That’s shit), or included them in the conversation you are having with the people at the bar. That’s the vibe you want for daygame. Its why I often can’t open people as… Read more »
@Culum “So..what’s the solution? Or atleast what can I do over the next 3 days to maximize my improvement on this particular thing and flip the mental entitlement switch?” You know the solution. Short set method. Feed off sets. Until your in the zone. Then you’ll notice reaching the social hook point becomes effortless cause and all of a sudden your just spitting gold. You just gotta execute. The best demonstration I’ve seen of this is in HotSeat@Home. The video is titled “Hot Seat Full Infield – Classic – Part 2” and starts at 32:30. It’s Tyler opening set after… Read more »
@Culum
opening X number of girls (in this case 400) as fast as you can on a weekend is for approach anxiety ( old school pua tech)…
you DO self eject after the open… and a couple exchanges… else you are into full blown convo which would induce more anxiety…lol
buuuut you seem to need that right now… sooo, 3 day challenge for you = open 300 girls as fast as possible…
and NO cheating to stay and talk…lol
good luck!
My frame is I’m just “doing it for state”. Whenever I’m at a point during the night where I’m out of it or I’ve been talking to my wings for a couple minutes (aka not opening sets) I’ll look around beside me and I’ll nod to a set (doesn’t matter if girl is ugly or not) and tell my wings “lets open for state” it takes the pressure off of having the set to go well for me…like good or bad set doesn’t affect me, cause I’m just doing it to build my state.
@Sentient “missing you here, seems betas feel raw terror more than lack of [sexual] urgency” (HABD too busy to text is just texting… lol… and explaining what I was trying to communicate above…) One day, someone standing on the shoulders of Rollo, another giant of intergender dynamics, will see this whole thing from a new, broader perspective. He will make it even more groundbreaking and will find a better way to redefine a few concepts we’re struggling with right now. ‘Alpha’ and ‘beta’ will be on the list. They were just a simple analogy to a hierarchic structure of animal… Read more »
@culum @HABD I dunno about all those opens. I think for a straight newbie that would be good, but culum has a lot of experience. I think a slight change to it would be on day one, yes, open EVERYONE. No long talks, just open a person, say hey, talk for like 30 seconds then move on and IMMEDIATELY open the next person. Just boom boom boom the whole time your out. I wouldn’t even focus on the number, just that you open everyone, just like you’d do in a bar or dance club. Day two would be focused on… Read more »
@Culum: I haven’t been doing as much as I should, but I occasionally cold approach (and let it fizzle). What I usually manage to do when I don’t just freeze is to do a situational opener based on what the girl is wearing or similar. They usually like that. Two examples from yesterday on the subway. A cutie gets in and she is wearing a short leather skirt, a leather jacket, and has a leather backpack, she leans her back in the front so I can’t see her backpack well. I start counting her zippers (I’m like the Count). She… Read more »
IAS Culum IRL IAS – “I go “It goes well together. I like zippers, although I only have one on me today” (point at my crotch)” ijjjji would be proud… then he would talk about the awesome things he was going to be doing until the girl hinted that she was interested in doing it too… and only then extend an invite to her. So there is another way to proceed. What I should have done on text last night … IRL – hottie who linked me did not get anything from my bag, nothing on it, she has deep… Read more »
@Sentient,
Good stuff. Can’t wait to see what HABD has to say about the 6.
sent – “running super obnoxious stuff and super sexualizing between being quiet and sipping my drink and looking around”
would like to get some details here when you get the chance
@newlyaloof @Sentient, Good stuff. Can’t wait to see what HABD has to say about the 6. straight up ASD… not enough A3/compliance testing or C1, so she knew she was a pump and dump… which is just one more waypoint on the ‘looks matter’ rollerCOASTer…lol… @Sentient still gotta hit ALL the MM waypoints on the way to poon city…lol… how do think your calibration was on this set?… serious question… did you think (in situ) you might have been missing something?… or were you frustrated that the girl wasn’t ‘cooperating’?… just a note – this whole ‘you’re married!!!’ thing is… Read more »
HABD
Answer… Oh yeah I knew… It was obvious to both tgis was the deal. “why me” etc. I wasn’t totally invested in bang… And doing it all. Hazard of going for lower number girls too… Bringing back to my hotel… For a 6 who might spaz out. Maybe hers. But it was a juice squeeze thing. I need more.
Not stressed.
@Sentient: I laughed so much at the part with the 6. The “married” parrot. LOL. All the way from the cab window ahaha.
May be a limiting belief, but I think if I push through with the e-mail girl (now that she is single) that is about as far as I’ll get, and she knows who I am…
@Sentient I am having a late dinner at 9:45 and I get a response to the thread I started with her. Good, establish a communication channel. I had also sent her a pic of a drink and she replies “Thanks for sharing”. She doesn’t bite, doesn’t give you anything to work with, just enough to secure free attention. I suggest you IOD and spike more (MM diagram). I hit her with “Somebody’s curious” Not bad on it’s own, but I think too light of a push for her spinning you as her attention plate. and she gives me back a… Read more »
IAS – yeah she was a weirdo. I mean physically just very plain, but personality was like a 4… just a simple small town young girl kind of boring, boring job etc. IRL – yeah I knew that those were too soon and all… the pic is funny so i thought she might come back… I contemplated the drink thing with “come to xyz” because i was actually not far from her hotel, just too to easy for her shut down. That response you framed is really good, I will use something like that to prolong things before looking to… Read more »
Basically, sexualize and make her feel off emotionally balance. Standard human mating.
EXPECT the first few remarks to land with a socially deadly thud…
cosign this…be mentally prepared…and be ready to backpedal…”I’m just looking for people who are fun”…qualifying her…if she gets judgmental…”when are prayers, Sister?”…cue two shit tests…you pass them…then instigate for a meetup…”so, let’s meet Tues if Wed won’t work.”…stronger leading and more masculine than “can you meet Tues or Wed”…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CzcjL-uLpwY
Chris… And a flip out… (Sperg warning – he is pushing this for kicks)
Now Doc that lighthearted sexualizing led to sex question amd answer… “jave you kissed a girl” is a good one and have her describe first time etc… And now you are off…
Thanks guys – I’m on it for the next three days (Hank – that was really useful about opening, so thank you). Today’s quote (I came across it twice just today so I thought it was worth posting – once on some blog and once in Gavin de Becker’s excellent book The Gift of Fear, in the context of men cold approaching women on the street and why men should be sensitive to female safety concerns and keep in mind that men don’t have equivalent concerns etc): ““Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that… Read more »
ok sent, got it; thanks for filling in the details; I’ve no problem being nasty but it’s an uncontrollable laugh monster; with your help I’ll throw a saddle on it and ride it to pussyville
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”when are prayers, Sister?” :: now that’s funny….. stolen!
@hank btw, the “limited time thingie” is the False Time Constraint – super important from the old Style and The Game days.
Your mom’s a douchebag…
Lolz
@newbs After rejecting the lies of the Blue Pill, there is another BP to reject: The Black Pill. http://thefaceberg.com/discotheque-juliette/ This post was good in that it has a lot of harsh truth that guys that lost their virginity later than the peers they grew up with or are still virgins can relate to. Such as: “If you were ugly as a child, you missed out on many of the formative social experiences enjoyed by your more attractive peers. You were not invited to the parties, the dances, the trips to the beach. Through no fault of your own, your exclusion… Read more »
Lol is this for real?! FFS
https://youtu.be/OzNj7YdkVDk
@Blax you can add this to your ‘young crowd’ peanut gallery… If you can’t sit still through the whole thing, watch the end bit when he calls her afterwards… *rolls eyes*
Is it some local celebrity? Rich parents or something, access to bigger caliber celebs and all this. He could swim in poosy. Instead… this.
His other videos (especially with girls) are painful to watch too… geeez
@ IRL
Lord have mercy on his soul. Amen.
The high pitched screaming on the rollercoaster…. Holy shit. He’s lucky Emma wasn’t armed, by the look on her face.
Grade for Casper is a fat ” F”. Hell, I’d expand that to a ” k ” if possible.
Maybe for shits and giggles I’ll watch more of his vids. They seem like slow motion train wrecks.
fuckin-a, irl, don’t do that again
it’s unwatchable, even for laughs
are you one of those dudes that also watches those slow motion videos of some guy’s knee folding backwards and finally busting through his neck during some horrible accident?
not the way to get a day started
in the spirit of karmic equity, here’s some eye gargle
now spit and rinse with these
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Guys That is just a prank/ comedy show. Like Vitaly. But here’s a little snippet that was interesting to watch unfold last night and a reminder to Bust a Move. Went to a place that is usually pretty good. RSD even shoots there. But last night day yud… About 8 guys. One table of 55 yo moms – not hotties at all. And a 4 and a 6 sitting at the bar. That’s it. Grab a drink to see if things pick up. Shortly after I arrive three more dudes come in. One is carrying a shopping bag. 6 2… Read more »
@Sentient Interesting “The girls are loving all the hoop jumping. I’m getting my competitive juices flowing… Giving these guys some time to play themselves out, which they are doing a good job of.” The other guy must have also noticed this dynamic as well, which gave him the confidence to come in set, ignore the betas and pull off the lock out technique below. “he leaves goes 10 feet down the bar and grabs a stool. Comes back with it TELLS one of the bros to move there stool back some by pointing at it. Which the bro does. And… Read more »
J Cat’s vibe was really phenomenal. I would describe it as neutral and open and relaxed. Not a hint of frat or jerkboy at all. Almost enpathetic beta bff in fact but for one thing – an obvious ruthless focus and immediate action – Which appeared effortless. I’ve hit that point a few times but it’s not consistent. Easy charm. Brought me back to thinking about being “entitled”. And while we can describe what that is… What does it “feel” like? My conclusion – it feels like nothing. It is the complete absence of feeling, and of thinking. It is… Read more »
@sentient, That guy went in on that 6 with “no mind”