For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Chunky Good morning man! When I was younger, 20 and less, sure I got blindsided. That’s part of how I learned. Mostly everyone has a public face or persona they cultivate and put forth. It’s rare to meet strangers and get a true read on who that hard and what their motivations are. I listen to what people say, but I take everything with a giant boulder sized grain of salt. I need to keep them engaged to be able to read them and pull out the ” real ” then in bits and pieces. Everyone’s words will give hints… Read more »
Oh, re: coworkers. This is a tougher one as the work environment along with it’s myriad of rules and regulations make actionable reading of co-workers more difficult. Rarely will I resort to using ” authority ” ( because I don’t like it being used on me…). I demonstrate capability and if the coworker can’t recognize it, then they are in their own. Without being highly capable, why would anyone listen to my suggestions? Stopping a co-worker from fucking up is the same as anything else. You try to get them to reach your conclusion themselves. It’s not manipulation as much… Read more »
Marquis ” I can only conclude that bizarre as it seems, the women’s enjoyment of the experience was not really correlated with how long I lasted or even if she orgasmed or not. The biggest indicator of how much she enjoyed herself and her willingness to put in effort to come and see me again on my terms seems to be just how much she was into me, and how much she liked me. The more attracted she was to me, the more the women enjoyed themselves, but not actually anything I did in bed.” Not bizarre at all. Do… Read more »
@TheMarquis Sentient and Having A Bad Day. A lot to process. there certainly is…lol it might be better if you unpack a basic concept as it applies to your situ… as @Rollo constantly writes about… limiting men’s sexual strategy and maximizing girls’ sexual strategy (open hypergamy) are what the FI is all about… this concept defines your whole problem… it’s all about you having sexual needs and being shamed when you try to fill those needs… THAT is just the FI in play… and THAT is informing all of your issues – from the PE… to the guilt… to the… Read more »
@HABD: Love your post, particularly the last bits about the threesome LOL. Brutal, funny, informative. Info that first makes me laugh and then makes me think. Ignobel prize style. @TheMarquis: obviously ready what HABD wrote, but here in short form again… Your wife presumably has N>1, presumably N>2 even. So even if it is true that you are the only man she ever trusted (see also @Sentient’s take one it), take note of the fact she fucked the ones she didn’t trust. If you consider that, maybe you can view that when she is saying that, is not a compliment… Read more »
Evening Blaximus, “Mostly everyone has a public face or persona they cultivate and put forth. It’s rare to meet strangers and get a true read on who that hard and what their motivations are. I listen to what people say, but I take everything with a giant boulder sized grain of salt. I need to keep them engaged to be able to read them and pull out the ” real ” then in bits and pieces. Everyone’s words will give hints and clues, even down to how they structure sentences.” It seems to me, that, that’s the nub of game… Read more »
Palmasailor
Oh I’ve worked it out – the boys are on the other side of the bar..
Now you’ve done it. You’ve gone and triggered my inner Walt Kowalski.
(Walt is Never Safe For Work)
“It’s not manipulation as much as it is leading them”
Good leadership requires manipulation and sometimes doing a small evil to achieve a greater good.
“The worst consequence is blowing up my entire life.”
Nah, the worst consequence is not being the kind of man you want to be. The worst consequence is to fail to be good at being a man.
This here story is like a bad Lifetime movie, or maybe something from Netflix.
Super duper prof who teaches an Ivy class on “decision making” … shaking mah haid…
https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/bruce-hay-paternity-trap-maria-pia-shuman-mischa-haider.html?utm_source=tw#comments
@PalmaSailor
“Well, darlin’, I have to be going now, but here’s a shirt to remember me by…”
Palmasailor This guy was the mark because he didn’t have pro active control of his own intimacy needs. Yeah, but it goes so much further, there’s so much more. I mean, he’s divorced, but living in the same house with his ex, and she has some kind of veto over his sex life anyway? Frame of Jello? No, weaker than that. This guy Hay was the mark because he’s a blue pill Average Frustrated Chump and very likely somewhere on the autism spectrum. So sure, he’s one thirsty dude, but still…c’mon, what a sucker. The line Frenchiie-girl used on him… Read more »
Palmasailor She’d asked if I was lonely.. That was the hindbrain thermal cut out. There ya go, what a “tell”. People project their own issues onto others all the time, but sometimes it’s not easy to see. The woman who is always bossing her kids and man around is the first woman to get all irate when someone else tries to boss her around. The man who is perpetually angry gets really worked up around another man who is…perpetually angry. Strong, independent woman who don’t need no man asks you “Are you lonely”? Lol! “No, but I can see you… Read more »
Just one to share in the “Disaster” Department. Met an HB8 at a party two weeks ago, ran standard game, kino and number closed. Next day I set up a drinks date and continued teasing—all good. The night before the meet up she texted to say she was working and could we move it to Wednesday. Ok. Wednesday comes, I show up, text to say I’ve arrived. I get a text to the effect: “OMG! I’m still working. I totally forgot sorry I will be there.” Huh? She set this up. Me: “You’re buying the first round.” I settle in… Read more »
Chunky Busy week full of rain and biblical flooding and shit. Okay, let’s see what we have here…. ” Do you never get blind sided? Some people are very good, one tell I’ve found is to be wary of people that kiss your backside within 5 minutes of meeting. A smile that doesn’t match the eyes is another. What else do you look for?” I believe a man has to be mostly immune to flattery and stuff like that. Admiration is different than flattery. Imo, flattery is empty and hollow. Kissing my ass will get hardly and real reaction from… Read more »
Shit. I didn’t finish the story. We’d learbned from some of the local PD that Buzzy was acused of being some sort of hitman. Mostly Mob contracted. They say he killed 10 people. Now, I don’t consider Buzzy evil and I can’t pass that judgement on him. I love Buzzy, but he needed to go to prison and probably get the death penalty if what they said was true. Doen’t change the way I see him fully because people do fucked up shit, and Buzzy chose to become one of the fucked up among us. No evil, just men/women. Now,… Read more »
Chunky Part 2. Breaking women down. It’s different than dealing with men. Only the weakest of men can be ” broken ” down, and that doesn’t constitute a majority. Men look for different qualities in other men, and these usually have to be demonstrated ( loyalty, strength of character, honesty, etc ). Women don’t really care about those things per se, but they do care about their ability to discern these things, even while not caring that much about the consistency of the application. You punched her in the eye but she excuses it for you because she knows you’re… Read more »
@palma The whole night was a shit show from her “forgetting” we were set to meet when she had arranged it up to her suddenly taking a call from her bf and then saying he was sick and had to leave to meet him. I’ve had some shockers before but this was the biggest head scratcher. It was going well. She was sexualizing the conversation. I have a few thoughts: 1) sudden guilt and hamster spinning 2) not attracted—but then why would she respond to kino and sexualize the conversation? This is clearly someone with issues. The point of this… Read more »
@Palma I looked her directly in the eye and said “Last week…” paused as her eyes widened, then I said “My turn and asked her apart from her lips what part of her body do you most like kissed?” She blushed again and pulled back laughing “That’s personal…” Me: “Well…go on…can’t back out…” She replied. The more I think of this the more I suspect she double booked and may have over-looked the date. She arrived as quickly as she could. She had drinks and we had a great Questions Game. I bounced her to another location and she sexualized.… Read more »
@Palma After going through it, I think I activated her Anti Slut Defense somehow or rather the constant needy texting, her sexualizing the Questions Game and my kino must have fried her circuits and activated her ASD.
The only thing to do is spin other plates. They usually come back or re-engage.
@Palma Right, but context is king. We were playing the Questions Game so when she sexualizes first it requires a direct answer. If this was the “are you married?” nonsense then it’s a shit test.
There are no Shit Tests in the Questions Game.
Wala Calibration with 8s is heightened. Margin of error smaller. Tests more subtle. Microcalibration called for. “I’ve also come to realize in the early stages of gaming a girl…EVERYTHING is a shit test. ” My view is you started to lose it when she showed up late after skipping the first date. Instead of “you buy the first round” add “next time” and breeze. Put you in a chasing frame. Calibration. When’s the last time a dude skipped on her? Especially Asians? Never. THAT would’ve fried her circuits. I get man. Cause “hot” and you want it. Great “conversationalist”… Lol.… Read more »
Wala “not attracted—but then why would she respond to kino and sexualize the conversation?” Add “enough” after attracted… Microcalibration. Also consider that a 32 YO soon to be former 8 with a 10 YO kid and a needy BF is trying to give you a chance to BE that AF stud she was hoping for… 8s and above are very comfortable with Kino… It’s THEIR stock in trade, they lean in to a guy or touch his arm amd get whatever the fuck they want in life… Microcalibration So she’s sexualizing first? That’s the AF studs job. Consider she was… Read more »
Last word Wala… Easy to get “lulled” with these and a big part of that is your game is pretty tight. It’s very easy to smoothly grab these girls amd bounce them and lead a charming encounter with lot’s of Kino and ease of touch around her, no lulls in convo, some banter etc. And next thing you know you think you are halfway home, because with that 7 you are. Another smooth by the book encounter! You the man! The difference is the 7 is giving you DDB eyes at that point and the 8 is still composed. Microcalibration.… Read more »
Palma
https://www.sashapua.com/the-question-game/
@walawala “Horrible conclusion is there wasn’t enough or you didn’t maintain enough (A) attraction” “2) not attracted—but then why would she respond to kino and sexualize the conversation?” “The only thing I can think of is her buying temperature overheated and she became overwhelmed by having me in front of her and her needy bf constantly texting her” Yep. She was starting to feel herself getting turned on via the sexualized question game, and then stopped herself because is still wasnt 100% sure on you yet (not enough attraction/investment from her). And it certainly didnt help your case, that her… Read more »
@Sentient. About sums it up. The hb8 part was the obstacle the 32 year old milf part was…
I did sexualise first with are you a good kisser , how old were you when you first kissed a boy. She then threw that one out to me.
J
“Female State Control”… More rebranded marketing terms from this dipshit. Zero new here.
He has a fundamental – or deliberate – mis understanding of MM and is all about this:
” You can learn from Alek, the master and originator of sex talk himself, by booking a 1-hour phone consultation with him.”
Lol.
Grifters gonna grift.
Palma
It’s comfort material, not attraction material. You need to have established solid attraction before you do something like this. Or you get what Wala got. Or worse…
In MM this would be at second location change stuff…
@Sentient “Grifters gonna grift” How exactly is a dating coach offering his services a con artist? “rebranded marketing terms” What is he rebranding, old man? ASD? He goes over how it’s different from ASD in the article. It’s literally the third sentence of the post 😂. which I’m sure you didn’t even read. Old man see something new and unfamiliar = immediately dismiss it. But I’ll repost it just for you 😘 “This form of resistance is very common, different from the other more well-known resistance type called anti-slut defense or ASD. The difference is that ASD deals with her… Read more »
@j. Right which means the constant bf texting was cock blocking me. This female frame control idea is that more time was needed to break it down. The attraction was sparked and we were pinging back and forth between comfort and attraction… Then her rational brain kicked in. I don’t think given the circumstances I could have done better But I certainly didn’t do any worse. What was most important was my reaction as she left which was “bye” without any needy follow up. Overgaming is a rookie error. In some situations you play the hand you’re given and learn… Read more »
J The whole piece is full of BS rewording… This here. “Teevster notes the negative side effects of waiting till the end phase of the model (seduction) to be sexual ” Just reinforces that he (nor you) didn’t read MM, understand it or watched any of Mystery’s many seminars… Which is often a deliberate posture to then sell your “improved” products. Lot’s of Mystery’s attraction material set a sexual frame. Why? Duh… Preselection is the greatest attraction switch. What Mystery said about Seduction was wait until you were in a sex location before you began to ACT on it… If… Read more »
“FSC is a biological mechanism that helps women make rational choices about sex partners””
He’s blending ASD (which is more than social shaming… Lol. It’s about how you percieve her as well [among other things]) with AF/BB.
Not New. Loving the “rational choices” though… Gotta throw some Purple in as well…
“Teevster notes the negative side effects of waiting till the end phase of the model (seduction) to be sexual (something a lot of guys who run MM complain about.” Somehow I don’t think that Mystery said that being sexual had to wait until seduction. You can be sexual up front with a glance at her body. You just don’t give approval about her looks until she earns it. And she doesn’t get seduction until she earns it by passing your A-2 compliance tests. I’m very skeptical about this FSM bullshit. Girls haven’t changed their wiring since Mystery wrote MM. Seems… Read more »
@Sentient Wala
Wait till HABD chimes in. 😂
lol…
on my phone… and no time…
but +1… on palmasailor too…
structural ‘beta’ (waiting for her/dinner/etc) puts you into a hole (and not in a good way…lol) wrt AF studville…lol… especially with hb8+…. so just squeezed your margin of error too much…
just a great opportunity to practice turning it around!!!
wait a couple weeks to reset then ping for a drink… and go all AF by the numbers…
good luck!
@Palma The lesson here is quit before you get blown out. If after that first drink I would have just said “Ok, let’s do this again soon” and left first I would have had a better chance for another shot.
As it stands now she will feel terrible for the way she acted and this conflict and my silence will fry her brain but it’s still 50/50.
Wala
“The lesson here is quit before you get blown out. If after that first drink I would have just said “Ok, let’s do this again soon” and left first I would have had a better chance for another shot.”
Go back through this thinking… This is the text you should have sent when she “forgot” to show up.
That would fry her circuits.
Palma
A C S is a progression but not a stair step “set and forget” routine. You will cycle between/through as you go. If you want to criticize MM this is one area he did not make hyper explicit in the book for the sperglords.
Watching the dozens of tapes fills in the gaps.
On the phone thing. Remember you can just take it or make her put it away… 😁
Sentient
On the phone thing.
One exec I know is former military, his term is “stack arms”. Everyone’s phone handset goes in the middle of the conference room table, no exceptions. Ringtones? Ignored. The millennials hate it but don’t dare to try to buck the order.
Opportunity to lead by example; opportunity for compliance testing, in many venues.
Once I asked someone “Who else did you bring with you?” pointing to the phone. Eventually she got the hint.
@Sentient – noted re the comments to @TheMarquis! Now I just need to actually have some dates and meet some girls and not be in constant pain from training! @walawala – just a couple of minor points quickly as don’t have much time – most points covered already anyway. First, I would personally not text to let a girl i’ve arrived anywhere. Comes across a bit needy. At most I’d have touched base earlier in the day with some kind of pretext (NOT “Are we still on for 6pm?” More like assuming the sale and saying “I may only get… Read more »
@Sentient/Palma:
ON this:
“A C S is a progression but not a stair step “set and forget” routine. You will cycle between/through as you go. If you want to criticize MM this is one area he did not make hyper explicit in the book for the sperglords.
Watching the dozens of tapes fills in the gaps.”
They did explain that in the live MM seminar I did, way back in the mid-2000s….strange it didn’t make it to videos or book.
@Sentient “Which is often a deliberate posture to then sell your “improved” products process” Teevster and I (as well as others in my chat) get laid in less than an hour, because we understand and follow the same process (there’s no accident “I don’t know what I did. it just happened” fools gold bullshit that mystery talked about. There are deliberate frames/topics we set/talk about that have allowed us to cut through that long process. That we want other guys to be following as well. That’s why I post here. I read the field reports on here, and see where… Read more »
” Teevster and I (as well as others in my chat) get laid in less than an hour, because we understand and follow the same process (there’s no accident “I don’t know what I did. it just happened” fools gold bullshit that mystery talked about. There are deliberate frames/topics we set/talk about that have allowed us to cut through that long process. That we want other guys to be following as well. That’s why I post here. I read the field reports on here, and see where that person could have cut corner here and there. Said this and this… Read more »
Palma
I disagree strongly. I know guys that are knocking chicks down like bowling pins, and have been doing so for decades.
It’s just that I’m not a fan of the ” everyone else in the world is doing it wrong, lol, lol, lol ” vibe. Chicks fuck. If a guy needs to understand anything at all, that should be the first thing. The ever growing minutae ( to boost sales ) is a little odd. These are women we’re talking about, not quantum physics.
/end rant.
big smile.
Allow me to help. Both of you are right. There are obviously naturals/alphas who have never heard of Game who are now and always have been knocking it out of the park with women, long before Mystery was born. Mystery’s genius was that he was able to reverse engineer and codify what they were doing. Not that he was the first man to get laid a lot. This is what Blax is talking about. However Palma is talking about something different- he’s talking about the vast majority of Gameless betas who do get laid but not like the alphas –… Read more »
“I disagree strongly. I know guys that are knocking chicks down like bowling pins, and have been doing so for decades” Because those guys were naturals (by natural I DO NOT mean they were born with God level game at birth you fucking idiot. (How many times have we had this conversation?) By natural I mean they got laid at an early age 11-15 because they were either or a combination of 1) extroverted/not autistic 2) good looking 3) had male role models). Henceforth, They had zero need for PUA. Someone who didn’t need PUA to become good with girls… Read more »
Thank you @Culum
Palma ” By the way, whilst it is my gut feeling that most men over 50 could get a giiirlllfriend complete with negotiated sex for a year or two at most by trading commitment, I do not believe that most over 50 women could get a boyfriend by offering sexual in return for commitment. The tables turn I think. Men just don’t want to know and don’t believe they can go younger.” I agree with this 100%. But I don’t believe in guys negotiating for sex with any woman of any age. They don’t have to, unless they are wearing… Read more »
I think you both mean to say 50 YO WOMEN and younger men…
On cue. Lyon
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0MHKVeACd0/
It’s a fantasy for women and no where near reality. I never see a young guy with an older woman. I see a lot of 50yo guys with mid 20s women.
But for sure the average (that word) 50 guy would much rather join with a 50 YO woman.
Something about “talking” which I don’t get at all…
“Back in 19(whenever birth control was created. Too lazy to look it up) and when travel was expensive, there was legit social shaming for whoring around” The first girl I banged was in ’74 and she was on the pill. She was paranoid about getting caught, so we didn’t go on dates where we might be seen, but we banged in her dorm for five days when no one else lived there during summer school. Travel wasn’t very expensive back then. Gas was a helluva lot cheaper. Social expectations for girls were a whole lot more conservative back then and… Read more »
Thank you Again to everyone who posted for me. I’m not sure I have that much to add. I think I just need to absorb the firehose of information and try to process it both mentally and through action, most importantly by implementing recommendations from IRL and Sentient and Having A Bad Day. It’s hard to change my brain to “living in my frame” – it’s hard to even know what that means in real time but I’m going to do what it takes. I have just changed all my online dating accounts to say that I am married. Next… Read more »
Another one to add which made me laugh out loud at the sheer childishness of it and also the way in which younger girls think and act. A girl I took out twice in her 20’s, smart, sexy i’d put at HB8 just because she’s slim and young pulled a stunt worth sharing. I took her out twice, k-closed but because of her job and weird hours it was hard to meet up for a 3rd time. I suggested drinks 3 weeks back and she replied but never got back to me with an alternate time. So after 3 weeks… Read more »
Wala That’s IOI/IOD loop in action. You stopped chasing – and IOD. And you then did what? What you are supposed to do after an IOD – you Demonstrated High Value… DHV – “chat with the girls, the host and otherwise have a good time. ” So what happens – she gives you a huge IOI… Now I think you dropped it by not playing along, after her BD text. Called for an IOI back and a compliance test. Her delete was an IOD. Remember – microcalibration with 8s and up… Trick is spotting AND reacting in real time… But… Read more »
Marquis “I have just changed all my online dating accounts to say that I am married.” You crack me up… “Interestingly wife told me this three separate times the next day, each time as if she was telling me for the first time.” She’s looking for a reaction from you. Ignoring is best, or an offhand “yeah. I get that a lot” and MOVE ON… Avoid the whole beta HS boy “me! Rillllly? What did she say exactly!!!!” “Anyway her husband told her he “doesn’t want to have sex with a corpse” and they haven’t had sex in months. I… Read more »
@Marquis Good Job. “I said “that is called starfish sex” and wife got annoyed, almost like she was faux irritated. She literally said “When you say things like that, it makes me not want to have sex with you..when we were first dating it felt like you were this responsible, mature adult and I was the crazy one, but you actually seem to be regressing back to being a frat boy when you use words like this..” – but she didn’t really seem sad. “Exasperated” is probably the right word.” One of the cards in her Rolodex is: “You/this is… Read more »
@sentient. She deleted it within an hour of sending it somehow expecting me to jump on it and respond. So no, I didn’t blow this. She will be back. She’s young and wants to know the guy she’s with can measure up. This was a shit test to see if I came chasing. I didn’t.
Marquis, “And she almost shouted at him not to whisper to me and to say it loudly.” Translation: “You’re turning the kids against me by making me act crazy-paranoid and say outrageous things!” Been there. Keep in mind when she does this she considers the kids and you as useful tools of her external validation. It is a sign of insecurity and misplaced expectation. If your wife considers the usefulness of others (provisioning, sex, admiration, status) worthwhile and that usefulness wanes or evaporates, her love turns to hate as her expectations of your meaning are disappointed. She wants the good… Read more »
Wala
Well you have the view she is going to contact you next. I think this was microcalibration window missed (specific to her BD text).
Time will tell.
Seeing her out again not the same as her getting in touch.
I hope you are right.
Palma
Tantum was holding solid frame in her native language but she was having none of it
Sounded more nervous / slightly embarrassed than harsh. Was her boss anywhere in the place?
Sentient and SJF and EhIntellect – thank you. Thanks for the confirmation regarding my wife’s loss of control – I did think so but it’s interesting. I’m soldiering on. Oh I realised I’d forgotten the most important of the Starfish conversation and didn’t add it in my last post. When she got irritated and told me she didn’t want to have sex with me, I didn’t really respond or justify myself, and then she babbled something else for 30 seconds or so, and then she said “But I’m not like that in bed..I don’t just lie there”. I said “I… Read more »
Marquis Somebody posted this earlier https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/faceapp-beauty-standards It bears further scrutiny because this is exactly what’s going on in her hind brain. Every day you are getting more valuable and she is getting less valuable. The script is flipped (insert RT SMV chart) Of course the subtext is all SJW Equalist drivel – women are beautiful, app designers reflect misogynist bias, etc. But all the anti reality spray in the world is not leeping out the deep dark inner truth from taking center stage… Afew quotes: ““It sounds like an absolute existential horror app,” says 31-year-old university worker Bex Coates. “I’m… Read more »
Geez, Rollo
Just had a post not post in field reports regarding love the one your with and your child, Marquise.
It disappeared.
Can you retrieve/post it?
If not, so what?
@SJF Get in the habit of Ctrl + A / Ctrl + C. Every time I make a post anywhere online, every so often, I always hit Ctrl + A, then Ctrl + C. I’ve been doing it so long I don’t even realize I’m doing it anymore. Just auto-pilot. It saves a lot of frustration in the long run. If you’re really working up a masterpiece, paste it into Notepad for safekeeping. But for the most part, keeping it copied to the clipboard using those keyboard shortcuts will suffice. I got into this habit years ago in my teens… Read more »
@TheMarquis About the rooted (even before the cultural programming feeding it) pro-feminine bias of women, it springs I think from solipsism — whenever they pick sides in an issue involving another woman and another man, they will patron the woman outside of any concept of fairness, reciprocality, and rationality, because they themselves are women and their ego perceives the other woman, as, partly, her own self. Basically they can do nothing aside from irrationally, unfairly, patron their own egos. Anything beyond the personal sphere is felt and judged according to how much it is felt as “their own business”. On… Read more »
#@TheMarquis
Proof of what my previous comment says is, when the strange woman’s interests and conduct cross Woman A’s interests (thus upset her ego, the center of her mental expanse, occupying most of it), then she’ll be against the woman, see her as scheming and bad whilst the man involved in the intrigue as “innocent” and “harmless”, and words of truth on the negative sides of womanhood will, exceptionally, pour out of her.
That’s the only exception to the rule.
Come on now TT. Do you even TRM?
It’s not ego. It’s women’s collectivist nature. What’s good for one women benefits them all.
Load some Evo-bio/psych in your gun, you’ll hit a lot more targets.
Marquis “Yesterday talking about divorce of a different friend of my wife. Son was around. Wife going on about the evil done by the ex-husband and I said “there’s two sides to every story – we haven’t heard his” and she got upset saying there isn’t. Then my son leaned over and tried to ask me something about this quietly – almost a whisper, but not quite. And she almost shouted at him not to whisper to me and to say it loudly.” This shouting at your son is about hypergamy. Threat one the sisterhood hypergamy is threatened by your… Read more »
Palma
I feel you man. My “conditioning” started at the age of three when I let it slip about a male friend of hers from college visiting,I was exited about being rolled in an old tire.
Her main problem was my Dad and I had bonded so that even after the divorce I remained loyal and suffered no end of abuse that continues today.
Palma,that’s a rough mouthful. Looks to have been written by a 13 yo. His attitudes will change when his interest in girls peaks,and again when he witnesses hypergamy first hand and feels the effects. It could be a long wait but from what I’ve seen it is inevitable. I guess I was 17 and had it with her and her actor husband so I went to work for my Dad. All he ever said about her is “she is crazy”, on the other hand I could fill a story book about him and why he is this way and that… Read more »
I can handle being MGTOW too as long as the wife keeps putting out more because of it and she is.
Fantastic Friday evening (26th July) in the excellent company of @Palmasailor in London’s Covent Garden and Soho districts by way of London Summit 2#. 🙂 As theory is nothing without practice, here a some FRs (my first) for examination and comment: :: FR1 – Tapas Bar: Mid-to-late-20s Blonde barmaid from Madrid (“MB” = Madrid Blonde) :: Palmasailor and I needed a bite to eat, so we dipped into a tapas bar early evening, and ate some good Spanish cold meats, tuna and tortilla, washed down with an excellent glass of white wine. I noticed the barmaid, a reasonable 5.5/6, slim… Read more »
:: FR 2# – Friday 26th July with @Palmasailor in London – French / Swiss duo (both early-to-mid 20s brunettes) :: PART 1 Bounced into a Peruvian bar with Palma and had a couple of drinks outside at a table. Palma went inside to get a couple more, returning with two girls, one French and one Swiss – both brunettes in their early -to-mid 20s, and friends who had, at one time, both shared a flat together. Palma pulled up an extra chair and the French girl (“FG) immediatly sat down, while the Swiss girl (“SG) stood opposite us, saying… Read more »
:: FR 3# – Friday 26th July with @Palmasailor in London – Argentine Tango (Brunette, 43 (“ABR”) and Blonde, 48 (“ABL”)) Same Peruvian bar with Palma; FG and SG from FR2# had disappeared …. Two women came and sat down at the table adjacent to where Palma and I were sitting. This was a poser … Firstly, the seating arrangment was not good: the two women, both Argentine were effectively sitting side-by-side at one table, with Palma and I mirroring at the other – like starlings on a fence, so difficult to engage in convo. Secondly, and this is just… Read more »
:: FR 4# / FNL- Friday 26th July in London – Black-haired mature Greek-Cypriot (55) (“GC”) :: Note: @Palmasailor knows most of the details of this FR / FNL report – and it’s quite lengthy :-/ So, after @Palmasailor had left for the evening, I decided to have a night-cap at a favourite basement bar of mine in London’s Soho district. This is actually a gay bar which I know well, and I am friends with one of the barmen there, whom I have known for about three years. They were already closing by the time I got there, but… Read more »
@TantumErgo – good FRs man. Some thoughts. FR 1: I had a hilarious near-identical conversation with a French girl years ago when she realized I knew that the University of Paris 2 was called Assas, because most people have only heard of the Sorbonne (Paris 1). Basically what Palma said on this. You didn’t have enough attraction (therefore did not get an IOI), therefore your escalation (in this case asking for a number) did not work. You needed to DHV a lot more and get IOIs before going for the close. You did DHV a bit with fluent Spanish etc,… Read more »
Tantum
Her “Por que?”
Tantum “Estoy muy caliente”
@ wahoo McDaniels
FR1#
“Her “Por que?”
Tantum “Estoy muy caliente””
Yes!!
So why weren’t you with @Palmsailor and me last Friday? LOL. 😁
TantumErgo
@TantumErgo Great to read about you out in the field. Not many men do that and hardly any your age. Some points for you to look into for future ventures. Look at these elements peppered into your interaction (who’s on the hunt and who’s the prey?): she asked me to go back in and see if her two gay friends were still in the bar Which you do… for free… missed the opportunity to test her frame and ask her to do something for you first. Her hindbrain would have registered a different Tantum. She then suggested we go elsewhere… Read more »
@ Marquis ” it’s hard for me to think of my wife in such cold dispassionate terms.” Tough-love is tough for a reason. Otherwise we’d say tough-like. Love is eternal, creative and perpetuating. Love is a fixed purity, dispassionate and certain. It is correct, righteous, in a meaningful way. Like is a preference, variable, fueled by emotion and uncertainty. It may be correct in its meaning, intent and execution…maybe not. Here we risk failure to ourselves and others, blowing around in the winds of emotion. “Wie gefaellt’s Ihnen?” is German for “How do you like it?” Literally translated It is… Read more »
Tantum Good stuff man. You can be a killer if you tighten up a little bit… How much capital G Game have you gotten into? Have you read Mystery Method? And importantly – have you watched the many seminars online where Mystery expands on things? There are also a number of good ones by Matador and LoveDrop on body language and kino btw… The good stuff – Obvi you are solid at opening, at least in respect to approach anxiety and you can carry on a conversation. I suspect you are above average looking and note the cream pinstripe jacket…… Read more »
Oh and congrats boys on the London Red Pill Summit producing 100% more lay reports than Poland…
Aside – update on PussyGrinder… Not going into a lot of detail.. but to test my feeling… sent a text : Hey. Your husband around?
and BOOM! she was all LOL… OMG!!! he is right here… I had a follow up that was innocuous to blunt the edge, but that cat jumped out of the bag.. lol…
“you PUSHED that last bar” There are guys who recommend bailing unless there are overt IOI’s. Persevering in the absence of IOI isn’t totally unwarranted. An absence of her overt IOI isn’t a IOD. There’s no reason to assume she didn’t want your number until she said “no”. It’s a good practice to efficiently move the conversation along…which you did. A lot of guys assume without an overt declaration of IOI there’s no point in opening or pushing the bar of expectation. Sentient is aggressive in his approaches and doesn’t back down in uncomfortable shit testing. Formidable frame under withering… Read more »
Good points Eh. To clarify – what I meant by “pushing” the last bar, the one with the greek, was that it was late, the bar was closing etc. It would be easy to go home. But so often there is gold waiting to be picked up… They do call it “golden hour”… even post golden hour can be golden…
“golden hour” Anecdote…. A buddy and I are downhill skiing. We’re at an apres ski party in the main resort. I pick up a woman and left to bang I forgot to hand off the hotel key to my buddy. He’s sleeps in the hotel lobby until he’s kicked out He wanders up to the room and is hanging out, sitting with his back against the door at 2AM waiting, pissed. A girl walks up and chats with him. At some point she asks if he’ll come back to her room to fuck. Just like that. No joke. He popped… Read more »
The options being some sort of substance abuse. There isn’t a substance that I haven’t abused at some point. That turned out to be the best form of self medication ,walking in bitter creek. Just lucky to come out the other side in one piece. “In hindsight I contained the ex wife until the 2009 banking crisis at which point she pinged me for weakness when I was at my wits end. The shit tests went nuclear after I failed one after another, but here’s the thing, I woke up one morning after a nuclear fall out and told her… Read more »
One more for the road.
@Palma Boundaries are good to have set,I finally learned to draw the line at physical contact. Abuse from a primary care giver leaves out boundaries. The way things read if it is patriarchal abuse thats believable and will garner sympathy, if on the other hand it is matriarchal abuse then you must have done something real bad to deserve it. basically I am on my own,may as well get used to it. I run to extremes ,I am extremely sober at the moment and have been for years. And have a tendency to go all in on people and then… Read more »
@TantumErgo +1 on IRL’s analysis… i could add some more detail, but the basic idea is that she has you fitted for your shiny armor… AND the bit and saddle…lol… but in spite of that^^^ you are actually doing great!… and props for getting in the field… especially that solo at the end of the night… like @Sentient says it is really easy to just call it bc your wing went home… IF… and that’s a big IF bc she is 55…lol… if you want to turn it around with the GC, you are going to need a game plan…… Read more »
@palmasailor Instantly I was hit with more shit and every form of blackmail she had in the Rolodex. I just said no and walked. Before long she was begging but by now I’d had it. She was beside herself in pieces. I reckon most men could swap the frame of their marriages like that. that’s the only way is actually works… you have to be willing (and mentally there) to just leave… and then just ‘don’t get divorced’… if you want to stay married anyway…lol but the more you ‘want’ to stay (which is BP… and a frame shift away… Read more »
@wahoo McDaniels
I run to extremes ,I am extremely sober at the moment and have been for years.
props!!!… that sh*t ain’t easy… but it is worthwhile…
good luck!
“bc every time she criticizes you, she is criticizing one half of HIM… most parents don’t get that idea… or they really don’t care…”
This ^ is a fact, when he loses respect for his tribe of origin his identity is gone. This tends to the worst.
Ahhh nothing like sweet validation 🤗
https://imgur.com/a/oTiuj2E
Feeling like my idol
@HABD or anyone else
Hey HABD,
I have seen you mention the guard dog spinup situ many times but havent seen it used by anyone else in these parts of town and don’t get it from context. Would you mind explaining it in short?
@Palma Tantum I accidentally discovered a way to get a girls hamster spinning without saying a word.
I sent a WhatsApp message to the wrong girl and then deleted it. It appears as “message deleted” in her messages.
The girl immediately began madly texting wanting to know what I said and then ended up reconnecting to meet up.
Try it….send a message and then within1 minute delete it. Watch the fireworks.
@walawala @Palmsailor “I sent a WhatsApp message to the wrong girl and then deleted it. It appears as “message deleted” in her messages. The girl immediately began madly texting wanting to know what I said and then ended up reconnecting to meet up. Try it….send a message and then within1 minute delete it. Watch the fireworks” I really like this — and I have a couple of targets in mind… @walawala Presumably at no stage did you even attempt to justify the deleted message, but rather brush it aside and go straight for the meet? I ask as a newbie.… Read more »
Ummm J, Ruby’s sex tourism was from 3rd world to 1st world… Not the other way round.
@walawala Nice! I use this open loop concept infield to great effect. I alternate between leaving them open, by side stepping her inquiries into things she wants to know more detail about (“nah don’t worry about it. its not important.” “nah i’ll tell you later” etc) (but never closing them) and closing them, by answering the bait I threw at her, by DHVing myself. By alternating between the two, it always leaves her unsure of what I’ll do. @Sentient P O W E R F U L neg. lol. but seriously. ya because 1st world is ALWAYS higher quality than… Read more »
Hold up. Spoke too soon
1950’s Vikki Dougan can get it
@j these accidental situations often can be worked into something that becomes more natural.
The kitten-string idea can be worked out in ways you describe.
@Johann
How do you feel when you know a girl you banged yesterday banging some other guy today?
If it’s a plate, honestly, I don’t care. I just don’t want to know. The girls are usually smart enough not to bring it up and I don’t ask. There’s truly no strings attached.
If it’s a girl that I’ve been seeing and am interested in pursuing and I find this out…I dump her immediately. I don’t explain, I just ghost her.
J
I was trying to think where I saw that pic before
Ah yes. Indigenous peoples.
Look you miss the note as per usual. It’s not about a 5/6 or even pygmy fetishism.
It’s about the validation seeking. Break that before it breaks you.
Enjoy what you want, leave the validation at home.
@ Sentient @ Calum Struan @ Wahoo McDaniels @ IRL @ Palmasailor :: London Summit – 26th July – Field Reports :: Gentlemen Many thanks for your considered analysis and feedback, which is much appreciated 🙂 There is a lot for me digest here, and I will endeavour to get back to you on your individual responses as soon as I can. The short-and-ugly of it is that, while I have never usually had any trouble getting women – doing so according to a tight game-plan is STILL new to me, and I am here to learn. None of last… Read more »