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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

@ Culum

💕 ( no homo)

@ Kfg

Promise me you’ll never stop posting, even if you have to do it from Valhalla.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

J

lol… And you were crowing about this just one page ago… https://imgur.com/a/oTiuj2E

Keep mining..

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

Thank you Blax and Sentient. As far as I know, @ford and @scars are different people – I remember seeing both usernames before. But yes, they both seem to be British guys with similar opinions. @j – so, some of this stuff we agree on. Some of this stuff is basically a judgment call – a difference of opinion on the nuances (like whether any particular tweak to MM is novel enough to be a “real innovation” – that’s pretty subjective). ..and then there are the things where you’re just dead wrong. “Looks matter” is one. I’m not going to… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
2 years ago
Reply to  Culum Struan

@Calum Struan “I will leave you with a martial arts analogy. What you are saying is kind of like someone saying “All this martial arts stuff is nonsense bro – just have big muscles and be aggressive and hit first in a fight and you’ll win”. And the thing is, being big and aggressive IS helpful and you will win most fights – until you come across someone who is a trained fighter who is just better than you and you’ll be flat on your back (or worse) no matter how aggressive and how big you are, and then you… Read more »

j
j
2 years ago

God damn it, Culum! I was just on my way to the gym….Aight let me do this real quick..lol “feel free to link the discussion so that new readers can decide for themselves who was more convincing” Not more convincing..who was right and who was wrong: anyway…that discussion: https://therationalmale.com/2019/02/27/the-global-sexual-marketplace/comment-page-5/#comment-271224 moving along… “On the 7 hours thing – again you have to remember what Mystery was targeting. He wanted these girls to fall in love with him”. You don’t need to game a girl for 7 hours for her to fall in love with you. That’s down right retarded. Hell it… Read more »

j
j
2 years ago

“That’s not the same think brahhh”

Gotta explain this one, cause I know y’all be nitpickers and shit.

This A2-A3 happens in one swoop. I tease then I throw her an investment hoop right away. NOT till I’ve gotten enough IOIs, from DHVing do I begin asking questions. Like we talking less than a minute into the interaction. Then you get stuck wondering am I in A2 or A3? I say abandon these bullshit steps. And just focus on getting investment to build compliance via the investment process by Saul.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

J You are straining mightily to point out these vast differences to MM. Googles “teevster”, third result down: “The Teevster Formula 05-04-2013, 09:46 AM This post is a reflection on Teevster’s comment in my thread, “How To Get Women To Chase You.” We are similarly-minded, and though we have different takes on things, both of our methods are largely based on personal tweaks of Mystery Method (still the Bible if you ask me, he was right about most of the things he said).” From (now banned of course) ChitownMaverick https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/8871-the-teevster-formula 2013… Mystery is the most ripped of guy in PUA.… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@j No, you don’t need to spend 7 hours with a girl to get her to fall in love with you. It depends on you, your skills, the girl, the environment and other variables. But it does generally (note: generally) take longer to solidify the connection and get her to fall for you than it does to hit “minimum time for P in V”. 7 hours is a useful rule of thumb that Mystery suggested for that process – it was a guideline, not an absolute requirement. As for the A2/A3 stuff you said: “This A2-A3 happens in one swoop.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Personally, I see the whole concentration on speed pulling like being one of those guys that competes in those hotdog eating contests. It really goes wrong when he always associates ” eating ” with scarfing down everything he eats in large volumes as fast as he can, yet considers himself a fine dinning expert. What I’ve learned here reading what Yareally wrote and what many commenters have said, is that it was of the utmost importance for guys to get their penises into vaginas. Urgent matter. But it seems to me that a lot of guys still never move beyond… Read more »

ford
ford
2 years ago

lend us a tenner, sailor! I’m broke af! haha

ford
ford
2 years ago

i’m not that young at all. My brother and sister got all the brains in the family, i’m afraid! They’re both loaded. I was never clever enough to get A levels, uni etc. Kind of made my piece with it all. My CV is awful (also had cancer that put me out of cmmission for a while) and i’m not good at learning new skills, and I have no existing ones! But it is what it is. I have friends much older than me who are kinda broke and they seem as happy as some of my older, fairly rich… Read more »

IAS
IAS
2 years ago

@Ford: you don’t have to be rich. You don’t even have to not be broke.

There is quite a continuum between rich and broke. Do you want to stay broke? BTW, this is about you, not about picking up girls.

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@j Hi. I don’t know if you remember, you had introduced me to Bacchus’s work on daygame and Gunwitch Method which he advocates. You also sent me a link to Seduction MMA. I have been listening to Seduction MMA, not yet finished it. But I have already started having better interactions. I used to do direct London style daygame and hardly any sets would hook. Now, I am picking only lone stationary girls like Bacchus advises and have an almost 50 percent hook rate. I am not yet good at immersion, but I am sure that needs more practice. My… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@Blax – mostly agree. Doesn’t mean that PUA advice isn’t valuable (it changed my life and remains a key interest) but there’s more to life than that. @Palma – yes, that was me pointing you to YaReally’s advice on text game. Still the best out there (and not just for texting). But yes, he was broke and working some dead-end job that just barely supported him. Mid 30s when he was posting, so about late 30s now. He did say in his last year of posting (2016) that he was finally turning his focus away from pickup and generally towards… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Palma Even our god Mystery, can he actually make enough for a decent living now he’s pushing 50? No he can’t, but it’s because he is a terrible business person. You might find this interesting, back in 2007 Mystery’s company was doing $2.7M in sales a year. https://web.archive.org/web/20080921012851/http://themysterymethod.com/Corp/MM-docs/our%20application.pdf And his “partners” ended up taking it. Now he helped them mightily by agreeing to a bunch of stupid things up front. So then Love Systems sprang up with his IP, and then RSD started up and a bunch of others ate all his pie… The movie to be made here is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

BACKGROUND On October 10, 2007, Rosen filed a two-count complaint including class claims alleging that Defendants Donnely, Mystery Method Corporation (“MMC”), Nicholas Benedict (“Benedict”), Jon Lee (“Lee”), Chris Hendricks (“Hendricks”), Peter Sergeant (“Sergeant”), and Robert Plyer (“Plyer”) violated the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (“RICO”), 18 U.S.C. § 1962 et seq. Count I alleged that Defendants violated RICO by participating in a RICO enterprise through a pattern of racketeering in violation of §§ 1962(a) and (b). Count II alleged that Defendants conspired to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity in violation of §§ 1962(c) and (d). As we… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Palma

But my gut has always been that your core mission should never be women.

Agreed. I’d say though, watching Mystery, his heart has always been about helping guys. That could be a mission, but lots of priests try that and don’t get paid either…

Sure when he had the TV show his ego took off, but he lacks the narcissism and Machiavellianism of a Owen Cook for example, to make gobs of cash at this.

IRL
IRL
2 years ago

@Culum And I’m willing to bet you do wait till you get enough IOIs from DHVing before you go into A3 and give her an investment hoop. You just don’t call it that. Possibly. But it’s also as simple as ignoring all this and going for the investment hoop regardless… only to see she’s not compliant… and pedaling back to A2. Rinse and repeat. Fair enough, this way it’s a diagnostic tool that also helps you push the interaction forward even if you’re oblivious to IOIs. Rebranding it is funny though. People just don’t understand MM or the underlying principles… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

IRL “Going for it as a natural sexy beast induces IOIs if you will.” Absolutely it can. But it can also not. A natural is highly adept at picking up on IOIs so they rarely get an IOD at this point so they train to act on the IOI without realizing it. And of course that added confidence boosts the feedback loop, success negating more success. Most of them start in A2… Goes back to what I was saying, you can use a “hold my cock” opener. It’s just going to produce more variable results if you aren’t calibrating to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Begetting not negating.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

“I can say that I’ve never done anything without getting solid IOI’s.”

Yeah you have a personality that generates these IOIs minus active thought.

Better than the dreaded “free IOIs” from looks… 😆

It’s a good place to be. And can get you laid on the reg as long as you go out.

My reversion to MM was after trying to materially increase the hotness of pulls. Real 8/9 girls, dancers, models, actresses. And the shaman Yareally (for his faults and hatred of masculity a real savant on pua) pointed me back to the beginning.

It’s. A process.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@IRL – interesting question. Have I met Blax-style Naturals? Hmm. Now that I think about it..hardly any. I’ve met plenty of good looking guys (including ones who were also good socially, so they did well with women). I’ve met plenty of men who are very successful and confident and socially dominant and charming in politics and business etc (but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were good with women and I didn’t really get to see this category around women). But I’m not sure those qualify as true Naturals. Quasi-naturals perhaps for the goodlooking guys with good social skills who do… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@IRL – also just read your linked post (@newlyaloof – that blog is a great resource for “best of” posts from here). It’s really making me think – in fact I am setting aside a little more time tomorrow to think through it more – the idea that you truly understand something only as a feeling (I had no idea the concept could be extended to abstractions like physics). Especially for someone like me who specializes in overanalysis and “word salads” (you guys have been reading my FRs for years right?), but is now invested in full-time physical training and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Culum

“But really, it’s the same in pickup and Game – what I’m really striving for is to reach that “feeling” –”

Lol. You forget all the times we told you to “remember that feeling”, to imprint it?

You crack me up man.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

Sentient, you know, I guess I did.

Or I didn’t forget it exactly – I remember now that you reminded me.

But it didn’t internalize in the same way as it did just now – triggered by IRL’s post and the last few months of physical activity and endless repetitions of the same moves and feeling the tiny variations and improvements each time.

The brain’s a funny thing.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“My brother and sister got all the brains in the family”

Use it or lose it.

If you don’t use your brains, you will lose them.

If you don’t use your muscles, you will lose them.

Etc.

The more you exercise your muscles, the stronger you become.

The more you exercise your brain, the smarter you become.

Etc.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“My brother and sister got all the brains in the family, i’m afraid! They’re both loaded.”

That’s a kind of wealth. Figure out how to tap it.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

“last few months of physical activity and endless repetitions of the same moves and feeling the tiny variations”

That’s interesting. Since middle school I’ve always been athletic. Blax was boxing etc. Wonder if there is correlation?

I’ve also been great at pattern recognition too though. Interesting.

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

@Culum But really, it’s the same in pickup and Game – what I’m really striving for is to reach that “feeling” – that feeling of kind of calm authority, of being centred and at peace with the girl (and indeed the men around too), reacting to me, of being the cause, and enjoying being authentically me in full flow. I’m even struggling to find the words to articulate it but you guys know what I mean – it happens in the best moments. And what if the best way to get there is explicitly to follow that “feeling” and try… Read more »

IAS
IAS
2 years ago

@Culum: a bit off-topic, but the ETH is up a lil bit since I purchased and the BTC is almost doubled from the price point I got (that includes when I reinforced my positions). It is not much in total but that is quite a nice return in percentage. This was partly or even mostly due to the news that Facebook was going to make their own crypto, I think (I don’t watch too closely) Of course I was in the red for quite a while and it wasn’t your fault and it isn’t your “fault” now either but… Thanks… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

Wasn’t the point of game originally to get back at the know-it-all jack ass father that enjoyed being tall and good-looking but insisted he got whatever he wanted by pulling himself up by the boot-strap and then challenging you to succeed despite him acting like a total douche to you and taking credit for your successes while spiting you for them?

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Straight talk…

IRL
IRL
2 years ago

@Sentient “Going for it as a natural sexy beast induces IOIs if you will.” Absolutely it can. But it can also not. You know it, Bobby Peru 😉 Microcalibration comes into play. And that’s nothing new, just a call to pay closer attention to IOIs. 100% I’d say there are two important things that happen: 1) this natural demeanor (maybe even piss taking) generates a lot of DHV, including preselection, and 2) the whole approach is still only a diagnostic tool, it forces girls to show their true buying temperature without giving them the certainty of A3 yet. There’s more… Read more »

j
j
2 years ago

“But it’s also as simple as ignoring all this and going for the investment hoop regardless” “it’s a diagnostic tool that also helps you push the interaction forward even if you’re oblivious to IOIs.” Investment hoops follow a tease/cold read/takeaway/disqualifier…..which causes a spike in her emotions…call that an Indicator Of Interest if you want lol. But I wouldn’t. (these are IOIs: https://www.reddit.com/r/PUApolyamory/comments/26fm2i/pua_mysterys_list_of_iois_indicators_of_interest/) All I care about is, if she’s complying or not. If yes, I do X action. If no, I do Y action. Open: [Open from the side] You: Excuse me where did you get that dress? [investment hoop]… Read more »

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“Her: Why? [non compliance: didn’t answer my question]
You: because you’re literally like the 4th girl I’ve seen in the past hour or so, wearing that exact dress. So I was wondering if ya’ll part of some cultish secret society shit or something [tease]”

you followed an IOD with a DHV…just like the MM loop

a tease is a DHV because:

1) it’s inherently judgmental, which means that you assume higher status
2) it’s inherently engaging, which means that you assume a right to intimacy

J, you’re just following the loop without realizing it

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

I’ll point you back to the book J.

Cause this…

“[Open from the side]

You: Excuse me where did you get that dress? [investment hoop]”

Is straight Mystery indirect opener. Not an investment hoop. Lol.

So go to chapter one and watch Mystery

A) open from the side (and body rock)
B) throw aFalse time constraint
“Hey. One sec. I have to get back to my friends”
C) open ” so answer a question for me, who lies more, guys or girls”?

MM 101. Maybe try Audible…

j
j
2 years ago

“open ” so answer a question for me, who lies more, guys or girls””

I don’t do cringy 2003 pickup lines. But thanks.

j
j
2 years ago

But yeah. I know what an indirect opener is, brah. I’ve been doing pickup for a couple years now if ya didn’t know. The reason I called it an investment loop is because I’m asking for compliance. Straight from the open. She can either comply with my question or not. Same with the “who lies more” opener. She either doesn’t comply (“I don’t care”/”is that your best pickup line?”) in which case I’d IOD (tease/cold read) or complies, in which case I’d continue my routine. If she complies, do X (reward/compliance test/explore topic). If she doesn’t comply, do Y (tease/disqualify/takeaway/sexually… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@Sentient – yes, it’s an interesting train of thought. Kind of thing that could be made into a blog post. I don’t want to read too much into it, but definite difference in how I perceive skill development and “feeling” how I access the right state of mind. I was a typical nerd in school – the most exercise I got was getting my ass off the computer and walking downstairs to eat. Certainly I’ve learnt skills, both then and as an adult, but all related to abstract thought, nothing physical (except sex I suppose but even there you’ve told… Read more »

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

Culum, “But really, it’s the same in pickup and Game – what I’m really striving for is to reach that “feeling” – that feeling of kind of calm authority, of being centred and at peace with the girl (and indeed the men around too), reacting to me, of being the cause, and enjoying being authentically me in full flow. I’m even struggling to find the words to articulate it but you guys know what I mean – it happens in the best moments. And what if the best way to get there is explicitly to follow that “feeling” and try… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@j
I left a comment on this page a which is a few posts above now with my situation. Could you please help me?

ford
ford
2 years ago

FR Went out last night. Opened a 2-set. Asked who they were. Started teasing one of the girls about her posh accent and stuff. Cold read them about their jobs and we had a fun little convo. We wanted to go too a different bar and they wanted to stay so I said ‘maybe i’ll bump into you later’ and left. I then get a text from the girl I cold approached 3 weeks back who I kissed : https://imgur.com/a/y0USjdZ I’m trying to arrange to meet her as I really wanna bang her, but it’s hard and she’s messing me… Read more »

IRL
IRL
2 years ago

@Palma Went out on a usual gig on my own last night despite not feeling like it. Props. I need a strategy for dealing with that but I can’t work one out because I rely on talking to them and the venues just get louder as the night goes on. If you want P in V compliance, start small first. See if you can isolate from the group. Just turn her away from them. Then move her to another part of the bar. Then outside etc. If you haven’t unlocked/addressed something, she’ll let you know (=objections). Figuring our her logistics… Read more »

j
j
2 years ago

Triple digit club

https://imgur.com/a/iGICqFE

j
j
2 years ago

@gamenoob

“I used to do direct London style daygame and hardly any sets would hook. Now, I am picking only lone stationary girls like Bacchus advises and have an almost 50 percent hook rate.”

Nice bro. Glad SMMA’s having a positive impact on your game.

“I approach far less, sometimes in a two hour daygame session, I approach just 4 women. Is that okay?”

yeah you good. Bacchus has said that sometimes, he’ll only approach 1-2 girls per session. Due to his standards being ridiculously high lol.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

That doesn’t look like much fun.😐

theasdgamer
2 years ago

FR I went to an out of town bar Fri. night. Lots of people. Women don’t grind on each other. Not much hip hop and girls aren’t as drunk as my hometown bar. A mountain of a guy out with his family opened me about what I would do with the pretty young girls in front of us. He’s drunk and fun. I chat with him and meet his family and dance with a couple of the girls. Fun time. I chat a bit with a waitress and she’s looking for sympathy because of her shitty life. It’s a shit… Read more »

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“yeah you good. Bacchus has said that sometimes, he’ll only approach 1-2 girls per session. Due to his standards being ridiculously high lol.”

yeah, couldn’t be because he has low energy, low T, and shitty game

j
j
2 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Blax

Triple Digit Club may mean thrusts per minute.

Palma

Can’t make the covert overt. You know they aren’t getting the sex they want, you “just get it”. Now just add secret society judiciousness to the social setting. Get the number for a plausible reason other than banging, away from her friends viewing.

And wings suck.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Sentient

😂 that looks like ” nothing better to do ” sex. Technically, it is ” sex ” because P in V, but if I had to choose between that and watching the gane, the game would probably win.

j
j
2 years ago

It was the 4th fuck session. I was pretty exhausted by then. and wanted to fuck her one last time before she left. figured i’d take a short video with my phone for ego lol.

I could upload the entire 3 hour clip if ya’ll want tho.

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@ j Thank you. But I feel sometimes, I will not improve quickly, if I just approach so few women. And you also mention that you are in a group, where the veterans who are purely interested in Game exchange ideas and posts. Can I have access to that group? Or view the posts? I really get lost on these Redpill spaces where people talk about feminism and other gender issues. I have read the Rational Male thoroughly, I understand what I should not do to fuck up my life. But I want to use this knowledge to build an… Read more »

philconnors
philconnors
2 years ago

That Bacchus girl is indeed flames, but it’s nothing to do with his cheesy ass NLP lol. (some of his FR’s I read made me cringe so hard. Not gonna lie)
Dudes a male model. She opened HIM! (as is the case in basically every LR I’ve ever read of his)
You really can’t fail when a girl thinks you’re very handsome, and that’s his secret. Fair play, though. I think she’s very pretty

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Nah, that’s okay.

j
j
2 years ago

@gamenoob “I feel sometimes, I will not improve quickly, if I just approach so few women”. “And you also mention that you are in a group, where the veterans who are purely interested in Game exchange ideas and posts.” Yeah, its a small private facebook group chat. I was invited because of my posts and lay reports I wrote on sedfast. If you post a couple good FRs/LRs on here or on the GirlsChase forum, then I’ll rep you, and let them know, you wanna join. (Can’t add you myself, cause I’m not an admin). Don’t know when the new… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenoob what I’m going to say isn’t popular. Zero fucks…😁 It’s not wise to make ” banging beautiful women ” a life goal. Men should bang women, as ” beautiful ” as they have access to and can manage, but what you have to understand is the ” why ” of the thing. Is ” beautiful ” by your own standards? How does banging beautiful women actually enhance your life – long term? Faster way to understanding is to ” bang ” women. Very few people take their driving test in Ferraris or buggatis. I’d wager that 99% of guys… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenoob what I’m going to say isn’t popular. Zero fucks…😁 It’s not wise to make ” banging beautiful women ” a life goal. Men should bang women, as ” beautiful ” as they have access to and can manage, but what you have to understand is the ” why ” of the thing. Is ” beautiful ” by your own standards? How does banging beautiful women actually enhance your life – long term? Faster way to understanding is to ” bang ” women. Very few people take their driving test in Ferraris or buggatis. I’d water that 99% of guys… Read more »

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

@Blaximus You are dropping some gold wisdom on these guys, but they just don’t get it(yet). When you are spending a lot of time and energy on something the first question you need to ask is the , “Why”? If some of these guys just slowed down and thought about the why and were honest with themselves they could start inching towards their actual real goal which is most likely the inner calm/certainty most of them are seeking, that goal in all actuality has almost zero to do with women. Some of these guys are postponing some very real life… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@ Blaximus Okay. Maybe I was not clear. By beautiful I mean the woman who I look at and go, I would love to do her. I already get women, but they are not the ones I choose. They choose me. I want to choose the women I want. And no, I am not delusional. I am not looking to bang models. I call myself a Gamenoob because I know I am a newbie. The beautiful women I am talking about are everyday women I see in the mall, on the street, in bus stops etc.What you said makes no… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@foxguy I am really sick of this manosphere thing where people are shamed for trying to learn Game. What makes you think we are concentrating only on women?? Just because we want to get good at it. What is the use of all this if we don’t take action. One of the fundamental things the sphere is built on and what Rollo emphasizes also, us to learn Game. And I am doing that. Just because we have the drive to get good at Game does not mean we are defective. That’s why I would rather talk to on a forum… Read more »

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

@Gamenoob92 Let’s give this a shot, if not for your benefit than for the benefit of others. First, it’s good you are asking questions, this is a start, second once you gain true wisdom you will find you will stop asking questions to others and will only ask most questions to yourself, you will become your own true mental point of origin. What is it you want? Not what the Manosphere says you should want ,or what Foxguy says you should want, or Rollo or anybody but yourself. Ask yourself what you yourself really really want out of this life,… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@IAS Okay, so re ETH and BTC, it really all depends on what your investing timeframe is. In the short term (days/weeks/months) nobody knows what is going to happen. Especially with the volatility in this market. There are lots of narratives (market took off in June because of Facebook’s Libra, BTC is improving now because Chinese are piling into Bitcoin to get out of the yuan, fears of trade war turning into a quasi-gold asset etc) and they are probably true to varying degrees, but the market is still very immature and unregulated and easy to manipulate so never take… Read more »

IRL
IRL
2 years ago

@Palma

I know you know but worth repeating:

Going with or leading her out has a higher probability of success than telling her to admit she wants your D, yes.

😉

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@ J

Thanks a ton! The Todd video was great. Realistic and sustainable process to get good at Game.
Sure. I have a field report I wanted you to critique but they are basic ones, since I am still a newbie and they are not lay reports.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@Gamenoob92 – post ’em and we’ll critique ’em and if you follow the advice and keep going out you’ll have to change your username pretty soon. I have my disagreements with @j on various issues to do with broader mindset (you’ve seen some of our disagreements right in the last couple of pages of this thread) but he’s very good on basic PUA stuff that you’re trying to learn and the specifics (and Todd’s videos are generally great – he’s one of my favourite PUAs). If you’ve not read YaReally’s stuff, you really need to do so stat. Single best… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenoob ” I am really sick of this manosphere thing where people are shamed for trying to learn Game. What makes you think we are concentrating only on women?? Just because we want to get good at it. What is the use of all this if we don’t take action. One of the fundamental things the sphere is built on and what Rollo emphasizes also, us to learn Game. And I am doing that. Just because we have the drive to get good at Game does not mean we are defective. That’s why I would rather talk to on a… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Palma Lol. I try not to talk about my ” N ” count ( I didn’t know what an N was either until I started reading the comments here ) because it’s mostly inconsequential at the end of the day. The only reason I have an idea is because my 1st wife ( and second, but I didn’t answer her question ) asked me, because she’d known me since I was 15 or so, and she’d known firsthand that I was knocking chicks back, including many of her friends and neighbors. She popped that question after seeing my high school… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@foxguy Yes, lets do this. Till my patience runs out at least. “First, it’s good you are asking questions, this is a start, second once you gain true wisdom you will find you will stop asking questions to others and will only ask most questions to yourself, you will become your own true mental point of origin.” This is ridiculous shit! What does mental point of origin have to do with a newbie at Game asking a more experienced person about something. So the beginner who asks an advance tennis player for tips is not his own mental point of… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@ Blaximus I took exception to foxguy for what he wrote about us not being ourselves for looking to improve. We are considered as people “obsessed with women”. As far as your post was concerned, I was just clarifying that I am not making learning Game my only goal in life. I listed the other things I am doing and that I do not have unrealistic expectations about wanting to bang models. It is just that I have different people that I ask questions about on my fitness goals, different people I consult for my language learning skills and I… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@foxguy

What is a man being led to willingly betray in your hypothetical scenario?

ford
ford
2 years ago

@palmasailor ”ford -Looks like you’ve got tighter game than me rude boy” ha, I doubt it. We just kind of clicked and I could sense attraction from her fairly early on, so it was more about just not messing it up (which is probably easier said that done, depending on just how attracted to you she is) She was quite hot, but there were definitely hotter girls in the club who I wanted more but who weren’t interested in me lol Going to Prague on Wednesday for a few days so hopefuly gonna get the chance to hit on some… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenoob Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in ” This is ridiculous shit! What does mental point of origin have to do with a newbie at Game asking a more experienced person about something. So the beginner who asks an advance tennis player for tips is not his own mental point of origin? Wtf? Shows you have misinterpreted what mental point of origin is. Secondly, you talk about after I get true wisdom I will not ask questions to others. And how do I get true wisdom? By posting on manosphere forums without doing anything… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenood

…. I’m starting to like you though. You’re like a blank canvas somebody spilled some paint on.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Palma

Have fun man.

I’m not a big porn guy, so what J posted didn’t stick to my neurons very long before being replaced by a chorus of cicadas in my backyard.

I get why he posted it though, because he feels good.

Lol, I don’t think I’ve had ” sex ” like that since the 70’s though.

j
j
2 years ago

“and so I had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to the pub at the end of my road for a double”

Let’s fucking go palma 🔥🔥🔥

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@palmasailor My question was directed only at J or the few who actually talk about Game here. It was phrased in a very adult manner and he answered me. I did not intend to get into any discussion about ideologies and life priorites. It is the others who jumped in. I am just a guy looking for advice on Game and j has helped a lot on that. Culum also pitched in on that. I do not understand why you guys are even bothering to butt in. Feel free to ignore me and my “misdirected” efforts to learn Game as… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenoob

Cool.

I’ll spare you then.

Good luck out there in the real world.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Funny.

I am talking about Game but a ” noob ” tells me to spare him. Lol.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“I’m not a big porn guy”

midgets are cool

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“My question was directed only at J or the few who actually talk about Game here.”

Lol, J’s real handle is Dumpster. Finding women to bang is easy. Not being insecure isn’t.

“Oh, I must be so awesome because a woman let me rawdoggg her…” Pedestalizing women you bang.

“I gave a woman Chlamydia…” Wtf were you doing rawdogging a woman with Chlamydia? Don’t you value your d1ck at all????

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“I don’t do cringy 2003 pickup lines.”

Cool that you keep your cringy pickup lines up to date.

ta-dum

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Culum I’ve been thinking about this since you wrote it. ” Especially for someone like me who specializes in overanalysis and “word salads” (you guys have been reading my FRs for years right?), but is now invested in full-time physical training and realizing that words are of limited use in describing the experiences I’m having and the skills I’m learning (the words just don’t convey enough information and can even actively confuse – I have to learn to “feel” something and then if I get the feeling – and therefore the associated skill – correct, I have to be able… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
2 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

@ Blaximus “It goes back to the idea of Yin and Yang. It’s important to have a rational, reasonable,reality based understanding of life and things, but it is of equal importance to understand and develop feelings. One without the other is a state of imbalance, and in imbalance there can’t be lasting internal peace or confidence or freedom.” Yin and Yang or as the old Japanese masters put it, ‘In-Yo’ – ‘Breathing in and out; Active and Passive’. This is the perception, wisdom and understanding of Zen – the way that the Warriors of old lived their lives. This is… Read more »

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

Yollo, “What is a man being led to willingly betray in your hypothetical scenario?” Anytime he fundamentally presents himself as someone he is not, “I’m a dynamic go getter, who owns a multi-hundred million dollar company” when he doesn’t. I’m not saying it’s wrong to lie to the girl per se I actually care little about the woman. I care about the damage it does to the guy because that type of misrepresentation will come back to haunt the guy in the long run sometimes spectacularly because it’s a tradeoff for only pleasure, in other words it’s a trade a… Read more »

IAS
IAS
2 years ago

@Sentient: about the pattern recognition thing… You don’t have to be a scientist to think scientifically. And you certainly don’t have to be an academic to do, nowadays with the current environment in Academia, being an academic may actually anti-correlate with scientific-thinking in some fields of research.
@Rollo has excellent pattern recognition skills, and is clearly a scientist by any decent definition of the word (as @kfg might say).
Much more so than many “professional” researchers in psychology that are academics

IAS
IAS
2 years ago

@Blax: as far as I’m concerned, a bit of high frequency pounding Doggy style feels nice to me and 2/3 girls enjoy it a lot (LOL at my N=3 statistics). @Culum: thanks for the added insight. I mentioned before I’m very “buy and hold” so there we go. I probably won’t reinforce my poistions (or won’t very much) as I want to invest more in the “business” that Palma mentions. @J: obviously the pr0n was a bit of (not so) “humble”-bragging and you are getting rightfully blasted for it, although I don’t quite get the “AMOG” bit here about the… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@Foxguy – girls aren’t my top priority anymore. They (or rather learning Game) was, for a long time – I made huge improvements over years doing that, but eventually I hit certain mindset limitations that are not learning more techniques. That’s why I am basically not Gaming this year (maybe do a bit on holiday or something) and I’m focussing on intense physical developments, which is offering surprising mindset benefits in itself. But that’s a good way to look at what I’m trying to do – to be free of fear, and external constraints. @Blax – lots of thoughts triggered… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@palmasailor @Blaximus @ Culum @Foxguy Palmasailor and Blaximus, I understand you guys have lived different lives from my own and of people who are looking to improve with Game. Like Culum says if you were naturals, from when you were young, you do not understand where I am coming from. Yes, I know women and bedding them are not the key to happiness. I know people who have obsessed over it have regretted it later. And yes, I have read Roosh’s Game, actually read some parts over and over. He clearly mentions that Game is something he thinks everyone should… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Yareally didn’t leave because he was criticized. He stepped too far out of what he knew and didn’t like what he was hearing. The blows came in pretty rapid succession. First, Rollo deleted so rsd videos because he didn’t want the guys that were sniping at him having a shitload of videos on his site. Then there were the ” marriage debates ” where he’d made disparaging comments about men’s wives, strictly to put on a show for ” the newbs “. Then the final straw was the ” having kids while avoiding courts and still gaming chicks ” fiasco.… Read more »

ford
ford
2 years ago

@PalmaSailor ”Yer you’re over cooking it on round one without closing it so they think it’s gonna be direct to the mattress the minute you meet them again.. so ASD kicks in turbonutter mode and she shuts up shop so you cant spike her again.” Yeah, I think there is definitely an element of that! Good point. I hadn’t really considered that a lot of it could be down to her and just decided it was that I’m bad at 2nd meets (which I am, but that helps me understand one possible element of it) I get this quite a… Read more »

ford
ford
2 years ago

Oh, I’m definitely going! It’s all booked and sorted. Packing later on when I get home from loading lorries!! 🙂
Luckily lots of my friends are loaded, so i’ll be OK if they decide to do any expensive things during the trip! haha

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@Blaximus Palmasailor

The fact that his archive and book are still always referred to shows he knew what he was talking about when it came to Game.

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

@Game

Stick around, something about the style/structure of your writings leads me to believe you may have a shot at having a decent head on your shoulders. Stick around, explore girls all you want, lot of hustlers in the red pill mostly all hustle with the exception of Rollo, Ryan, and Carl these days so keep your eyes/mind sharp.

Guy don’t step on the lot unless he wants to buy.

having a bad day
having a bad day
2 years ago

@Culum Even opening – the times I completely nailed opening were when I focussed on repetition – like during HABD’s 400 Open challenge and a few other smaller scale versions in clubs (and I remember HABD kept asking if I’d reached “the feeling” yet – the feeling of it all becoming routine and a bit boring to go and open another girl, ho-hum – which I did, right at the end of the challenge, but I’ve struggled to recapture that feeling consistently – which is actually very similar to my physical training – first I can’t do something at all.… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
2 years ago

@HABD

“same with girls… bc game is just the martial art of intersexual dynamics…lol… but not kidding…”

So … proficiency in one area (Martial Arts) ought to convey some transferable skills into the other (‘the Venusian Arts’ – as MM puts it).

Needing to make the transition.

TantumErgo

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

@Culum Struan I hear you brother, you are on the path. If you haven’t already you may need a transition/forging challenge in your life that will prove to yourself that you fully belong in man land, unfortunately this can’t be gained via women. Something like go into the woods for a week or so with minimal provisions and survive off the land, go to an agricultural field and work for a month with migrant workers doing backbreaking manual jobs, it has to be physical and it has to push you to your breaking point. The purpose of this is two… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Gamenoob See, this is what’s so frustrating. Nobody ever said YareAlly didn’t know what he was talking about wrt pua. Over years he was pressed for more details about his experiences, and the closest I recall was him saying 1) he was in a relationship that didn’t work out – ” relationship ” defined as sitting on couch watching Netflix in worn out underwear, 2) he believed everyone kids to him growing up. That’s pretty much it. But outside of pua, he didn’t seen to know very much else, or have decent experiences – this came through in his own… Read more »

Gamenoob92
Gamenoob92
2 years ago

@Palma Culum Blaximus Foxguy Okay. Let me give you my perspective and what has happened to me in my life. Before discovering pickup/Game I thought I was a shy person, introverted and not really social. That was the story I had told myself all my life. After I discovered Game they said you have to become social and a good conversationalist to get girls. Pussy was the motivator so I forced myself to socialize, and after a few months I discovered I love to socialize and that I am not really shy, now it is something that brings me joy… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
2 years ago

@ Palmasailor @Sentient “Tantum and I are going to hit town more and put it through the paces by the numbers. Our logistics don’t mesh so that’s a pain in the arse but I need the disciple of being reported back on to you mugs. Need to be able to show my face without hanging my head in shame” Looking forward to it, Palma – and you know that I have absolutely NO fear of falling flat on my arse – that’s my only saving grace at the moment. 😉 As for ‘hanging your head in shame’ – not at… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@Tantum Ergo – thanks! On 20s girls flaking – especially (but not only) because you met them online – it’s normal. Don’t think of it as a mistake you did. You can only risk-mitigate (stuff like never booking anything more than 1 day in advance, and ideally the same day..always having a backup plan etc). I seem to say this in every post, but YaReally had a lot of stuff on text game and mitigating flaking both – worth reading. @Palma – no, the martial arts analogy works for pickup. It’s not sticking a picture of Bruce Lee on your… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
2 years ago
Reply to  Culum Struan

@Culum Struan “On 20s girls flaking – especially (but not only) because you met them online – it’s normal. Don’t think of it as a mistake you did. You can only risk-mitigate (stuff like never booking anything more than 1 day in advance, and ideally the same day..always having a backup plan etc). I seem to say this in every post, but YaReally had a lot of stuff on text game and mitigating flaking both – worth reading.” I think that you have already steered me in the direction of YaReally’s text game, and that you sent me a link,… Read more »

j
j
2 years ago

Seduction is defined in the Cambridge English Dictionary, as the act of persuading someone to have sex with you. I am a Pickup artist. And so, when I go about this timeless art of persuading someone to have sex with you, there are a list of dos and do nots I engage in. I do NOT lie to women, that I’m interested in seducing, that I will become their boyfriend, if they’d sleep with me first. I do NOT promise them a starring role in my upcoming film or tempt her with a job promotion, if she’ll get down on… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
2 years ago

@Palmasailor I get you … “Yes, but I’m martial arts you become that man. You are capable of delivering those moves.” Yes, you do, and yes I am – through years of training, developing technique and overcoming the fear of being hit – which is always an occupational hazard of training which reduces over time and with practice at the threshold of one’s capability. “It’s not a life size photo of Bruce Lee stuck on to Harry Hills body that you are using to fool your opposition.” Indeed – and no-one will buy it. Women can smell a fake in… Read more »

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