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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@Sentient A C S is a progression but not a stair step “set and forget” routine. You will cycle between/through as you go. If you want to criticize MM this is one area he did not make hyper explicit in the book for the sperglords. Watching the dozens of tapes fills in the gaps. Yohami had an interesting “critique” of Mystery Method… or rather its misinterpretation by sperglords lol https://rivsdiary.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/yes-im-always-right/comment-page-1/#comment-2677 (websites come and go so the full text below, wise words in the closing paragraphs) The reason the Mystery Method is codependent is because he is – he’s a guy… Read more »

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lurker123 @HABD or anyone else Hey HABD, I have seen you mention the guard dog spinup situ many times but havent seen it used by anyone else in these parts of town and don’t get it from context. Would you mind explaining it in short? here’s one… https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-59/#comment-224489 @Sentient dr zipper “HABD and to also avoid spinning up a guard dog situ… You know you are going to have to explain that…” ya, ok…lol guard dog situ… how do you train a guard dog?… you push it a little, and when it ‘fights back’ (pushes back against your frame) you… Read more »

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@palmasailor He’s in North Korea – inaccessible behind enemy lines with Stockholm Syndrome. That’s where it is and I need a life as well. If he emerges in here and I’ve told him that. But he has to emerge. and when/if he ’emerges’ what will he find?… congruence or incongruence with mom’s narrative?… my goto example is a story i heard about a bitter divorce where the mom told the kid that his dad did not want to have anything to do with him bc the dad had his ‘new family/kids’ to spend his time with and didn’t want to… Read more »

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Well he’s doing a pretty good misinterpretation himself, so there’s that.

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Relatively new to RP(2-3 years). Just read the post Relationship Game-Wife Sex and had a couple questions I hope to get answers too. Is it safe to assume that in withdrawing attention you men having sex with her also. Is this an indefinite period of time? Also is there a difference in this as you get into your 60’s? I’m 62, wife is 64. I’m far and away in better physical shape than she is. Frequency of meaningful sex is once a week. Am I crazy to think it could be more if I do things properly?

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“Am I crazy to think it could be more if I do things properly?”

Not at all. Game works on wives. Evo bio is Evo bio. Dread works.

Describe why you arent having the sex you want. More specifics will help sort out the issues.

Also some of your background together, who is submissive to who etc.

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TJ, you are already doing good, things can always be better. What I do is make my mission primary, I have a plan for work to do today ,this is my plan and none of her business. When I leave the house I don’t tell her unless she asks then it’s vague answers only ( first off she doesn’t care except for comfort or control) IE going to the shop,heading up the mountain or going for a drive see you later don’t hold dinner. She will message me when it’s time for lunch or coffee,I will come in when I… Read more »

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@TjCox 2-3 years? Relatively new? That’s a long time. What red pill sites and materials and books have you been reading? There had been a lot of material developed on Married Red Pill game. There is not much here on The Rational Male as far as prescriptions are concerned. Are you familiar and have you red the sidebar and curated best posts at Married Red Pill Reddit? Sentient is correct in that you giving more information about your situation in how ever you feel comfortable will yield more actionable advice. The major problem in long term marriages is that each… Read more »

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@Tj Keep in mind that every relationship, every man is different (and unhappy in their own way). So you have to know yourself and your strengths and weakness. And minimize your weaknesses. Be careful in following generalized prescriptions. Notice the words incremental and covertly and get to where something has changed in you in the original essay you read: https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/23/relationship-game-wife-sex/ Make her want it If you’ve been married for years, she probably feels pretty secure with you and whatever degree of control she has in regards to regulating the flow of sex. Make her uncomfortable. As counterintuitive as it sounds,… Read more »

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“It’s about getting to healthy, masculine/feminine polarity and generating more organic desire from your wife.”

This^ right here 100%.

With all the conditioning being thrown at us from the entertainment industry and main street media the natural mpolarity is out of kilter and the only one with the proper tools to correct it is the man in the relationship. This is done by leading without attention given to the other end of the rope.

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@tj Q: “Is it safe to assume that in withdrawing attention you men having sex with her also. Is this an indefinite period of time? ” A: Yes. As long as you (can) leverage dread upon her she will fear losing you. Hey there. Welcome aboard. You want more sex. Right? Play along with me here. Consider your wife an amalgam of 1) unthinking natural existential needs and 2) sentience The needs side demands sex, food, air, shelter… The sentience side demands knowledge and understanding. TRM focuses on correcting women’s (and men’s) belief that men are pure useful workhorses, sometimes… Read more »

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@EhIntellect

I was pretty sure on the withdrawal thing, so thanks for confirming that. In my case, we’ve been married over 40 years, so mostly I think a level of taking me for granted is the issue. When I say once a week, I’m more talking about genuine desire sex. We have sex just for me more, but I’m looking for the “Hell Yeah!” girl I married. My second question is more aimed at what is reasonable to expect in terms of her libido.

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tj, “I’m looking for the “Hell Yeah!” girl I married.” Nice….now here’s the rub….put a tack in all that evo-bio stuff…it’s an observation of the sexual dynamic, not the dynamic. IMO, desire sex concept is a tortured attempt to lobotomize a woman into sex for AF seed. In short she has no option to choose to fuck you in that HELL YEAH! manner unless you engender it with physical and emotional triggers and/or she peaking in some estrus phase and a bunch of other variables guys kick around here. That all above has its place and will not get you… Read more »

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Thanks to all who have replied. As far as materials I’ve taken in, I’ve read the first RM book, I follow his blog here obviously, I also follow Dalrock, and used to follow Heartise’s blog. I’m in the middle of reading the 48 Laws of Power. I’ve also watched a lot of RT’s Red Pill 101. Read Athol Kay’s books also. Our marriage has been mostly based in a Christian atmosphere. There have been exceptions. At one point, we were separated for 5 years. Went through a major bout of depression during that time. She was a virgin when we… Read more »

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tj, “The one thing that jumped out at me was the statistic that only 28 percent of folks my age consider themselves to be sexually active.So maybe once a week ain’t that bad. I can get her to take care of me a couple more times a week on top of that, but I’d really like to have more of the desire type sex. Maybe I expect too much.” I was born in 60 and the wife of 38 years in 57 so you have a few years on me, that’s why I say your doing good. It’s no crime… Read more »

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@ tj

Congrats!!! Once a week is more than a lot of married men half your age can seem to manage after a 7-10 year stretch, and desire sex is damn near out of the question, so you’ve been doing something very right over the last 40 and survived the complications.

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@wahoo Mcdaniels

Sounds like pretty much the same deal as us. Even though I’ve always been dominant, before discovering RP, I believed I ought to have Oneitis, and couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t get there and be happy. So for 40 years I’ve been trying to reconcile that with my default nature. That kind of blue pill dynamic, takes time to turn around. We have made a lot of progress over the last couple years, but I’m not where I want to be yet.

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“I’m skeptical, but realize she would never admit it, and have no evidence of it.”

There’s zero point in ruminating about it.

As for statistics about human sexuality… they are worthless. You’re killing it 1x weekly. If you want more, you can have more. It requires you to disregard life is a lowest common denominator.

You miss all the shots you don’t take.

Look yourself in the mirror. What’s to be gained reliving the past and how does it make you better doing so? IMO, little.

You’re a great guy posting all you have and you’ve many friends here.

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“I believed I ought to have Oneitis, and couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t get there and be happy. So for 40 years I’ve been trying to reconcile that with my default nature.” I had oneitis bad over this cheerleader in 75 and even then i stuck to my default and never was faithful to her. The trouble with oneitis is it feels good to have but she doesn’t want it in her man. In fact I think they find it repulsive. I just put it down to a conflict of interest,if there is no conflict she isn’t interested. Now… Read more »

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FR in order to see women’s behavior and compare notes New bar, new city, in the South. Cab ride was expensive. 30 clients. Oh boy. I got a drink from a bartender and chatted her up. She came from a small town not too far from my home town and wanted me to hit her up for drinks (Ok, now the penny drops). So I watched several line dances drinking my booze. Didn’t know the dances. I finished my booze about the time that a line dance came on that I knew, so I hit the floor. I did a… Read more »

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Oh, two more observations about the cashier: She said that she noticed me dancing (with the young blonde). She said that it’s hard for her to compete with younger women. My conclusion about the cashier was: The cashier was looking for an interesting way to pass her time and she was just teasing someone that she thought might be a player. At one point she was leaning strongly towards me and at that point likely she had forgotten that she was just teasing. Just before I left, the cashier said that she would keep me in her thoughts. She also… Read more »

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“Has anyone ever got laid at gay pride?”

Not as much as you have.

ta-dum

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“(Obv with a girll)”

now you’re just being picky

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Palma, Consider all these homosexuals define themselves, find existential meaning, by sexual disorder. These types apply all their time, talent and treasure maintaining fictions as if bagel rubbing or gloryholes make a difference beyond orgasm. It’s important to them. Like existential important. Homosexual suicide is horrific for this reason. They demand a lie as truth. When the truth is irrepressible, the .45 is in the mouth. You ain’t gotta throw it their face. lesbians are the most emotionally, spiritually fragile creatures. They’re women dealing in groupthink fakery. You, Palma, aligned with consequence, if only by accident, can run the field… Read more »

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Cashier girl started the night with “Yes sir” and “No sir” and ended it with “Yes, Baby” and “See you later, Baby.” I don’t doubt that she was trying her Girl Game ™ on me, but I also don’t doubt that she was feeling affection.

(For you spergs, no, affection isn’t sexual desire. Affection isn’t DTF. She was bringing up lots of sexual topics, though. Don’t get all spergy, now, I’m not saying that she was DTF. I’m just saying that she wasn’t looking to use me to cuddle with. There was some sexual interest.)

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Sailor – you asked about gay pride. I went there on the weekend! It was pretty fun! One of my friends got laid, so yeah, it’s possible. In fact, i’d say 80+% of the girl there are just straight girls looking to have fun, get drunk, and show off their bodies. Here’s the FR Went to Brighton (UK) on the weekend. It was full of hot, half naked girls, so tonnes of girls too approach Initially me and the guys I was with done some AA exercises and were trying to get girls to dance with us on the street.… Read more »

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“There was some sexual interest.”

Thanks for always making me laugh man 😂. The 5+ dislikes you get on your comments are the cherry on top.

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J, the broad was outta your league. You wudna have even approached her, much less chatted with her. C cups and she was pushing her tits at me all night with both body language and shit like “I went to New Orleans and we flashed our tits” and “I didn’t like my fiance at first. He swatted my tits.” I think she also was wearing a push up bra. I figured that she bought her tits. The guy was just checking by swatting. You keep me laughing, too, with your FRs of average broads. They are low-hanging fruit to me.… Read more »

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League????

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This was one of my rejections! haha – local girl

https://www.instagram.com/missnikiclarke/

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Reposting my post, I wrote on investment for sedfast’s private reddit group… Recently there was a question, posed on one of the facebook groups I’m in, on Todd V’s evaluation concept. The person asked, if the girl you’re interested in, is giving you boring unimpressive answers to you’re evaluation questions, what should you do? For those of you who don’t know, Evaluation, according to todd, is basically doing anything that sets the frame that she has to impress you. Making it clear that she is being evaluated here, and not that you just decided you like her from moment one.… Read more »

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Just now… Cooking dinner which I’ll do occasionally when I’m inspired (I’m a way better cook than she is and she hates it). Her: “are you using garlic?”… Me: “Yep”… Her: “You know garlic doesn’t go well with what you’re cooking”… Me: (Without even looking up from the pan)… “Hmm. Well maybe you better come finish it then”… Her: “No reason to get so angry!” Me: No response… No acknowledgement… I don’t even look up. 15 year old daughter at dinner 10 minutes later: “Dad, this is awesome!… Like one of my favorite meals” Wife: “Yeah, this is really good.”… Read more »

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@j “Reposting my post, I wrote on investment for sedfast’s private reddit group… ” Many thanks for this — very helpful for me as a game newbie. “Investment hoop -> non compliance -> punish -> smaller investment hoop – keep repeating until you get her investment. then offer a small reward for doing so, and explore that topic.” And the beauty of the Investment Hoop model, it seems to me, is that it weaves in building attraction and compliance in a way that creates comfort while side-stepping any objections a woman might throw your way, because SHE does all the… Read more »

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J It’s good to see people bringing back Mystery Method… If only they could be honest about it. Mystery has a whole Chapter about Frame Control, Hoop Theory and using Bait-Hook-Reel-Release… Chapter 7 on A3… At least Todd Valentine (fka Xaneus) and Owen Cook of RSD were AT Project Hollywood being taught by Mystery in the early Aughts… Teevster lol. What’s AS important as BHRR etc. is the Sequencing… Mystery Method “Many of the tactics in the game are not designed to attract her but rather to use that attraction as bait in order to get her more invested in… Read more »

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IP theft is real…

“Either attribute your source or cease and desist all attribution to yourself. Failure to comply will result in legal action.” Rollo Tomassi

https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/1159361471169515521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Is this guy legit?

From what I can see, his ‘system’ (that he sells for like $500 or whatever) is to go up to girls, say ‘I had to meet you’, tell them that you think they are hot, tell them that you are a DJ, talk about the height difference between you and the girl (be tall!), tell her it’s your friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose, invite her back to your place, have sex

I’m not sure where the ‘skill’ element comes into any of that tbh lol

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WTF is this??/ That’s JMULV, rebranded… lolzlolzlozl

Brazen

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his ‘system’ (that he sells for like $500 or whatever) is to go up to girls, say ‘I had to meet you’, tell them that you think they are hot, tell them that you are a DJ, talk about the height difference between you and the girl (be tall!), tell her it’s your friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose, invite her back to your place, have sex

For ANOTHER $500 he will let you in on his SOOPER SECRET last step which is GUARANTEED to work…

Pay her.

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@Sentient It’s not mystery method ffs. This is the investment process used by Saul Tee and RSDLuke, broken down by me for beginners and intermediates. If this was mystery method, then ya boy, WestIndieArchie would have told his audience, “brahs this is just a rehash of mystery method. Don’t even bother reading this shit. Just get the original MM”). Instead, he’s dedicated a 3 part series on his blog. Hell even Mystery didn’t come up with his own method by himself. Oh you didn’t know that Mystery Method was based on a modified version of R. Don Steele’s 1989 Find-Meet-Talk-Date… Read more »

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LOl

RSDLuke’s formula is: investment hoop -> her investment -> reward.
rinse repeat.

Yeah that’s totally different from:

“When she demonstrates value in an attempt to win you over, reward her with IOIs, then bait her again as the process repeats. In this way, her reward is tied to her investment. ”

Better pay Luke… (aka Tyler…)

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“Yeah that’s totally different from”

Yes…It is.

“Then bait her again as the process repeats”

You dont bait her again, following the reward you gave her for investing. You explore the topic with her (as I mentioned in my post). Starting with fun and interesting topics, then transitioning into a emotionally stimulating ones, before moving on to sexually arousing topics. Then fractionating all the way back to fun and interesting topics. Repeating the process again.

That’s not MM.

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J Well I know reading is not your strong suit. Tell me what does “rinse, repeat” mean? lol from your OWN post: RSDLuke’s formula is: investment hoop -> her investment -> reward. rinse repeat. Ideally this is what you want. Her investing on every single investment hoop you throw at her. but if we’re being realistic here, we know that not all girls are just gonna want to pour out all this investment right off the bat. Especially to a complete stranger she’s never met before. So the gold in Luke’s videos is that he goes over what to do… Read more »

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“Tell me what does “rinse, repeat” mean? lol” Rinse repeat the investment process. Throughout the interaction. Not immediately following a reward. You want to explore the topic. There are frames to be sets, my man. Investment alone won’t get you gonna get you laid. But this post was specifically on investment so yeah. If that was made unclear….my bad homie 😎 ‘You are talking about MULTIPLE compliance tests, and hoops… In the same interaction. Because they BUILD to larger compliance…” Yeah.. “which is what Mystery taught Tyler and Todd (who taught Luke)…” That’s fantastic. That means they are well qualified… Read more »

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https://youtu.be/XF1aumE3O8M Incredible. 12 years post book release, and the man’s STILL using the same examples in his book. But yeah. You don’t have to wait till A3 to start asking investment hoops. You can do that well before moving her to a quieter area. Hell, her passing your investment hoops could be the reason why you want to move her to a quieter area. Because you liked her answer. Rookies listen to this shit and are like, I’m not suppose to ask her questions about herself here. I’m suppose to DHV until she gives me multiple IOIs lol. But she’s… Read more »

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“You don’t have to wait till A3 to start asking investment hoops.”

Of course. You CAN just go up to her on the open and say “Hold my cock”…

Or give her some “fractionated sex talk” lol. As she walks away.

OR you could run solid game and move when conditions are optimal.

Refer back to my post were I remind that Sequence is as Important as Technique.

Once again for the cheap seats. MM is about solid game, repeatable, predictable…

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“You CAN just go up to her on the open and say “Hold my cock”…”

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/30/Appeal-to-Extremes

“Or give her some “fractionated sex talk” lol”

Ahhhh you don’t know how to sex talk. I get it. It’s cool tho. Not for everyone.

“MM is about solid game, repeatable, predictable…”

Right. Because you, a MM practitioner, are drowning in a sea of new pussy in between posts here…lol.

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There were quite a few days when I woke up and knew I needed some serious sex, I’d go to a party/house party, and announce to any grouping of females in attendance , ” I’m fucking somebody, or everybody here”.

… don’t get what this https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/30/Appeal-to-Extremes really has to do with anything at all. Lol, but I didn’t spend a lot of time reading stuff like this.

Ime, ” hold my cock ” works best when you actually produce said cock to be held.

Lol.

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ford I don’t understand the purpose of videos like this. I’m serious. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkvM8IGsL0&w=830&h=471%5D Is he legit? who knows really, but 1000+ girls in 30 countries ( lmao )and 15 years of ” coaching “? I find the reasoning behind this kind of acrobatics confusing. Why not fuck 1000 girls in your home state or your home country and save the money? What’s the purpose of banging Poland or some shit? Girls fuck. Everywhere. Here, there, everywhere. Why fly to Bulgaria or some shit to have pussy? What’s different? ( any answer is a lie because anatomically, there’s no difference… Read more »

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“I’d go to a party/house party, and announce to any grouping of females in attendance , ” I’m fucking somebody, or everybody here”. … don’t get what this https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/30/Appeal-to-Extremes really has to do with anything at all.” Well…We’re not talking about what worked, this one time at band camp…we’re talking about solid game and consistency. Under the Mystery Method mode, you are suppose to go up and talk talk talk. Until she’s given you back sufficient interest. What Mystery calls A2 – Female to Male Interest. My argument (which 4 years of field experience has backed up) is that you… Read more »

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You know I love ya, goes without saying.

I’ll shut up and defer to your 4 years of field experience.

… sorry to interrupt.

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… one time at bandcamp. Lmao.

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“Well…We’re not talking about what worked, this one time at band camp…we’re talking about solid game and consistency. Under the Mystery Method mode, you are suppose to go up and talk talk talk.” not necessarily Nonverbal communication is essential. Talk is what fills in the gaps and is optional. I showed up for a “study date” and just studied for ten minutes, but I noticed that the girl kept looking at me over her book. I walked over to her and she closed her eyes and pursed her lips and I kissed her. We greeted when we had both arrived… Read more »

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I never went to bandcamp, and I thought I knew about consistent game decades ago, but I guess I don’t know what’s going on now…in the last 4 years….in the field.

😂

Must’ve been in a coma that I don’t know about.

I hate when that happens.

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@J ”My argument (which 4 years of field experience has backed up) is that you CAN ask questions. Literally anytime you want. Placing restrictions like this, only serves to put new guys who don’t know any better, inside their own heads (“fuck I can’t come up with something to say. And Mystery says I’m not suppose to ask her any questions right now cause she hasn’t shown much interest in me yet”. Self eject). So ask away….just remember why you’re here. That’s it.” Yeah, I ditched the strict mysterymethod stuff due to this initially. Millions of weird rules and stages… Read more »

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Going to public settings (bars/farmer’s market/restaurants/mall) where there are a couple cute girls you’d like to fuck shouting ,”I’m fucking somebody, or everybody here” will not yield consistent results. It may have worked once or twice at a house party with a girl that was just down to fuck, but that isn’t a good enough reason for a man who needs sex to start doing. He’s better off running solid game.

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😂 What you fail to grasp, is that wasn’t a ” routine ” or something someone once said I should try. We have very different idea about game…we’ve been over it akready. You can’t explain ” a Game ” to me j, no matter how many videos and web blogs you’ve seen. True game isn’t about following steps. Nobody has to tell me what I should or shouldn’t say or do, or where and when certain things are appropriate or not. I’m not confused about it and nothing has ” worked ” once or twice. You my man and all,… Read more »

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Oh god, not this again @j. Sentient’s covered most of it, but I’ll add a bit more: ALL systems and frameworks build upon each other. As Blax is fond of pointing out, people were having sex before Mystery was born (in fact, since homo sapiens became a distinct species 70,000 years ago – the basic principles haven’t really changed). So yes, Mystery’s system wasn’t completely original – it literally could not have been since homo sapiens haven’t changed in millenia (although as far as I know, he did come up with it completely independently based on his personal field experiences… Read more »

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“True game isn’t about following steps. Nobody has to tell me what I should or shouldn’t say or do, or where and when certain things are appropriate or not’ 😂 Bro….That’s what mystery and sentient are saying. Not me. Read his comment again smart one . I said you don’t have to wait till a certain point in the interaction to start asking questions. Sentient said, ya well you CAN just go up to her and say “Hold my cock”…as she walks away. OR you could “run solid game” which I agree with. But his example he used to argue… Read more »

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Pedantic point of order: ” . . . homo sapiens became a distinct species 70,000 years ago . . .” That is the dating for the successful migration of homo sapiens out of Africa (there were unsuccessful migrations before that. There was a colony in the Levant at least 100,000 years ago). Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old. ” . . . people were having sex . . .” People, that is to say the genus homo, were having sex for millions of years before sapiens. And, of course, our ancestors have been having sex since we “gave… Read more »

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@Culum “although as far as I know, he did come up with it completely independently based on his personal field experiences – he didn’t learn some other system and construct it as a hybrid refinement” Yeah. Ya might want to pick up a copy of R. Don Steele’s 1989 book lol. “Mystery’s Method is valuable not because it is entirely original but because it is the best and most comprehensive modern codification of the principles of seduction” It was. Back when getting phone numbers and getting a makeout were a big deal for PUAs back in the 90s-early 00s. That’s… Read more »

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Culum Great post. refreshing to have intelligent dialogue. Look forward to you getting back on the horse. Bronson You’re just one of those guys that doesn’t really understand Mystery Method… You left out “fuzzy hats bro” btw… Placing restrictions like this, only serves to put new guys who don’t know any better, inside their own heads This is just retarded. Of course there are optimal responses in every interaction. That also doesn’t negate that there is a probability that ANY will work. See the “Hold my Cock” opener. It’s probabilities. And let’s get off the “for the noobs” BS. fuck… Read more »

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I’m a fan of yareally, but he was simply (very) wrong on his view on the relevance of looks tbh.

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J then WestIndieArchie would have pointed it out. You just have trouble reading for context my man… WIA isn’t comparing this book TO MM. He’s reviewing the book on it’s own, in comparison with the dreck that exists TODAY. He says this in the first para ffs… Overall, I really like this book. I think it’s a good distillation of actual pickup principles before pick up got all “woo woo”. It puts contemporary RSD and London Day Game style into context. It explains why they work and don’t work. It leans back into a traditional (old school/indirect game) and talks… Read more »

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FR Popped out briefly last night. My friend opened some girl he liked at the bar and then her friends came over to get served at the bar I got speaking too an older lady, but next to her was some fairly pretty 18 year old. They were work friends. I started talking to the one I liked a little. Teased her about some guy who kept trying to hit on her who she wasn’t interested in. Made her laugh a bit. Challenged her to a quick dance off anf just tried to be fun. We all left the bar… Read more »

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Ford – did you post as “Scars” previously?

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“And as for picture mining… YOU may not want to open that can of worms…”

My bad bro. Here’s a couple more to even it out:
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(rated an HB9 in Strauss’ 2005 The Game btw)
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“On SEDFAST, it’s a chronic circle jerk […]There were some good posters”

Yea and that’s why the good serious posters (Bacchus, Teevster, Sparxx, Gunwitch, Pelusita, Kant, TheThinMan, Hector Castillo, PureEvil, Karea), on sedfast created the facebook group I’m in, to get away from the trolls of sedfast.

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@ Culum

💕 ( no homo)

@ Kfg

Promise me you’ll never stop posting, even if you have to do it from Valhalla.

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lol… And you were crowing about this just one page ago… https://imgur.com/a/oTiuj2E

Keep mining..

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Thank you Blax and Sentient. As far as I know, @ford and @scars are different people – I remember seeing both usernames before. But yes, they both seem to be British guys with similar opinions. @j – so, some of this stuff we agree on. Some of this stuff is basically a judgment call – a difference of opinion on the nuances (like whether any particular tweak to MM is novel enough to be a “real innovation” – that’s pretty subjective). ..and then there are the things where you’re just dead wrong. “Looks matter” is one. I’m not going to… Read more »

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God damn it, Culum! I was just on my way to the gym….Aight let me do this real quick..lol “feel free to link the discussion so that new readers can decide for themselves who was more convincing” Not more convincing..who was right and who was wrong: anyway…that discussion: https://therationalmale.com/2019/02/27/the-global-sexual-marketplace/comment-page-5/#comment-271224 moving along… “On the 7 hours thing – again you have to remember what Mystery was targeting. He wanted these girls to fall in love with him”. You don’t need to game a girl for 7 hours for her to fall in love with you. That’s down right retarded. Hell it… Read more »

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“That’s not the same think brahhh”

Gotta explain this one, cause I know y’all be nitpickers and shit.

This A2-A3 happens in one swoop. I tease then I throw her an investment hoop right away. NOT till I’ve gotten enough IOIs, from DHVing do I begin asking questions. Like we talking less than a minute into the interaction. Then you get stuck wondering am I in A2 or A3? I say abandon these bullshit steps. And just focus on getting investment to build compliance via the investment process by Saul.

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J You are straining mightily to point out these vast differences to MM. Googles “teevster”, third result down: “The Teevster Formula 05-04-2013, 09:46 AM This post is a reflection on Teevster’s comment in my thread, “How To Get Women To Chase You.” We are similarly-minded, and though we have different takes on things, both of our methods are largely based on personal tweaks of Mystery Method (still the Bible if you ask me, he was right about most of the things he said).” From (now banned of course) ChitownMaverick https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/8871-the-teevster-formula 2013… Mystery is the most ripped of guy in PUA.… Read more »

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@j No, you don’t need to spend 7 hours with a girl to get her to fall in love with you. It depends on you, your skills, the girl, the environment and other variables. But it does generally (note: generally) take longer to solidify the connection and get her to fall for you than it does to hit “minimum time for P in V”. 7 hours is a useful rule of thumb that Mystery suggested for that process – it was a guideline, not an absolute requirement. As for the A2/A3 stuff you said: “This A2-A3 happens in one swoop.… Read more »

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Personally, I see the whole concentration on speed pulling like being one of those guys that competes in those hotdog eating contests. It really goes wrong when he always associates ” eating ” with scarfing down everything he eats in large volumes as fast as he can, yet considers himself a fine dinning expert. What I’ve learned here reading what Yareally wrote and what many commenters have said, is that it was of the utmost importance for guys to get their penises into vaginas. Urgent matter. But it seems to me that a lot of guys still never move beyond… Read more »

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lend us a tenner, sailor! I’m broke af! haha

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i’m not that young at all. My brother and sister got all the brains in the family, i’m afraid! They’re both loaded. I was never clever enough to get A levels, uni etc. Kind of made my piece with it all. My CV is awful (also had cancer that put me out of cmmission for a while) and i’m not good at learning new skills, and I have no existing ones! But it is what it is. I have friends much older than me who are kinda broke and they seem as happy as some of my older, fairly rich… Read more »

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@Ford: you don’t have to be rich. You don’t even have to not be broke.

There is quite a continuum between rich and broke. Do you want to stay broke? BTW, this is about you, not about picking up girls.

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@j Hi. I don’t know if you remember, you had introduced me to Bacchus’s work on daygame and Gunwitch Method which he advocates. You also sent me a link to Seduction MMA. I have been listening to Seduction MMA, not yet finished it. But I have already started having better interactions. I used to do direct London style daygame and hardly any sets would hook. Now, I am picking only lone stationary girls like Bacchus advises and have an almost 50 percent hook rate. I am not yet good at immersion, but I am sure that needs more practice. My… Read more »

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@Blax – mostly agree. Doesn’t mean that PUA advice isn’t valuable (it changed my life and remains a key interest) but there’s more to life than that. @Palma – yes, that was me pointing you to YaReally’s advice on text game. Still the best out there (and not just for texting). But yes, he was broke and working some dead-end job that just barely supported him. Mid 30s when he was posting, so about late 30s now. He did say in his last year of posting (2016) that he was finally turning his focus away from pickup and generally towards… Read more »

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Palma Even our god Mystery, can he actually make enough for a decent living now he’s pushing 50? No he can’t, but it’s because he is a terrible business person. You might find this interesting, back in 2007 Mystery’s company was doing $2.7M in sales a year. https://web.archive.org/web/20080921012851/http://themysterymethod.com/Corp/MM-docs/our%20application.pdf And his “partners” ended up taking it. Now he helped them mightily by agreeing to a bunch of stupid things up front. So then Love Systems sprang up with his IP, and then RSD started up and a bunch of others ate all his pie… The movie to be made here is… Read more »

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BACKGROUND On October 10, 2007, Rosen filed a two-count complaint including class claims alleging that Defendants Donnely, Mystery Method Corporation (“MMC”), Nicholas Benedict (“Benedict”), Jon Lee (“Lee”), Chris Hendricks (“Hendricks”), Peter Sergeant (“Sergeant”), and Robert Plyer (“Plyer”) violated the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (“RICO”), 18 U.S.C. § 1962 et seq. Count I alleged that Defendants violated RICO by participating in a RICO enterprise through a pattern of racketeering in violation of §§ 1962(a) and (b). Count II alleged that Defendants conspired to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity in violation of §§ 1962(c) and (d). As we… Read more »

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But my gut has always been that your core mission should never be women.

Agreed. I’d say though, watching Mystery, his heart has always been about helping guys. That could be a mission, but lots of priests try that and don’t get paid either…

Sure when he had the TV show his ego took off, but he lacks the narcissism and Machiavellianism of a Owen Cook for example, to make gobs of cash at this.

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@Culum And I’m willing to bet you do wait till you get enough IOIs from DHVing before you go into A3 and give her an investment hoop. You just don’t call it that. Possibly. But it’s also as simple as ignoring all this and going for the investment hoop regardless… only to see she’s not compliant… and pedaling back to A2. Rinse and repeat. Fair enough, this way it’s a diagnostic tool that also helps you push the interaction forward even if you’re oblivious to IOIs. Rebranding it is funny though. People just don’t understand MM or the underlying principles… Read more »

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IRL “Going for it as a natural sexy beast induces IOIs if you will.” Absolutely it can. But it can also not. A natural is highly adept at picking up on IOIs so they rarely get an IOD at this point so they train to act on the IOI without realizing it. And of course that added confidence boosts the feedback loop, success negating more success. Most of them start in A2… Goes back to what I was saying, you can use a “hold my cock” opener. It’s just going to produce more variable results if you aren’t calibrating to… Read more »

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Begetting not negating.

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“I can say that I’ve never done anything without getting solid IOI’s.”

Yeah you have a personality that generates these IOIs minus active thought.

Better than the dreaded “free IOIs” from looks… 😆

It’s a good place to be. And can get you laid on the reg as long as you go out.

My reversion to MM was after trying to materially increase the hotness of pulls. Real 8/9 girls, dancers, models, actresses. And the shaman Yareally (for his faults and hatred of masculity a real savant on pua) pointed me back to the beginning.

It’s. A process.

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@IRL – interesting question. Have I met Blax-style Naturals? Hmm. Now that I think about it..hardly any. I’ve met plenty of good looking guys (including ones who were also good socially, so they did well with women). I’ve met plenty of men who are very successful and confident and socially dominant and charming in politics and business etc (but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were good with women and I didn’t really get to see this category around women). But I’m not sure those qualify as true Naturals. Quasi-naturals perhaps for the goodlooking guys with good social skills who do… Read more »

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@IRL – also just read your linked post (@newlyaloof – that blog is a great resource for “best of” posts from here). It’s really making me think – in fact I am setting aside a little more time tomorrow to think through it more – the idea that you truly understand something only as a feeling (I had no idea the concept could be extended to abstractions like physics). Especially for someone like me who specializes in overanalysis and “word salads” (you guys have been reading my FRs for years right?), but is now invested in full-time physical training and… Read more »

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“But really, it’s the same in pickup and Game – what I’m really striving for is to reach that “feeling” –”

Lol. You forget all the times we told you to “remember that feeling”, to imprint it?

You crack me up man.

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Sentient, you know, I guess I did.

Or I didn’t forget it exactly – I remember now that you reminded me.

But it didn’t internalize in the same way as it did just now – triggered by IRL’s post and the last few months of physical activity and endless repetitions of the same moves and feeling the tiny variations and improvements each time.

The brain’s a funny thing.

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“My brother and sister got all the brains in the family”

Use it or lose it.

If you don’t use your brains, you will lose them.

If you don’t use your muscles, you will lose them.

Etc.

The more you exercise your muscles, the stronger you become.

The more you exercise your brain, the smarter you become.

Etc.

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“My brother and sister got all the brains in the family, i’m afraid! They’re both loaded.”

That’s a kind of wealth. Figure out how to tap it.

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“last few months of physical activity and endless repetitions of the same moves and feeling the tiny variations”

That’s interesting. Since middle school I’ve always been athletic. Blax was boxing etc. Wonder if there is correlation?

I’ve also been great at pattern recognition too though. Interesting.

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@Culum But really, it’s the same in pickup and Game – what I’m really striving for is to reach that “feeling” – that feeling of kind of calm authority, of being centred and at peace with the girl (and indeed the men around too), reacting to me, of being the cause, and enjoying being authentically me in full flow. I’m even struggling to find the words to articulate it but you guys know what I mean – it happens in the best moments. And what if the best way to get there is explicitly to follow that “feeling” and try… Read more »

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@Culum: a bit off-topic, but the ETH is up a lil bit since I purchased and the BTC is almost doubled from the price point I got (that includes when I reinforced my positions). It is not much in total but that is quite a nice return in percentage. This was partly or even mostly due to the news that Facebook was going to make their own crypto, I think (I don’t watch too closely) Of course I was in the red for quite a while and it wasn’t your fault and it isn’t your “fault” now either but… Thanks… Read more »

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Wasn’t the point of game originally to get back at the know-it-all jack ass father that enjoyed being tall and good-looking but insisted he got whatever he wanted by pulling himself up by the boot-strap and then challenging you to succeed despite him acting like a total douche to you and taking credit for your successes while spiting you for them?

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Straight talk…

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@Sentient “Going for it as a natural sexy beast induces IOIs if you will.” Absolutely it can. But it can also not. You know it, Bobby Peru 😉 Microcalibration comes into play. And that’s nothing new, just a call to pay closer attention to IOIs. 100% I’d say there are two important things that happen: 1) this natural demeanor (maybe even piss taking) generates a lot of DHV, including preselection, and 2) the whole approach is still only a diagnostic tool, it forces girls to show their true buying temperature without giving them the certainty of A3 yet. There’s more… Read more »

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“But it’s also as simple as ignoring all this and going for the investment hoop regardless” “it’s a diagnostic tool that also helps you push the interaction forward even if you’re oblivious to IOIs.” Investment hoops follow a tease/cold read/takeaway/disqualifier…..which causes a spike in her emotions…call that an Indicator Of Interest if you want lol. But I wouldn’t. (these are IOIs: https://www.reddit.com/r/PUApolyamory/comments/26fm2i/pua_mysterys_list_of_iois_indicators_of_interest/) All I care about is, if she’s complying or not. If yes, I do X action. If no, I do Y action. Open: [Open from the side] You: Excuse me where did you get that dress? [investment hoop]… Read more »

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