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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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:: FR 2# – Friday 26th July with @Palmasailor in London – French / Swiss duo (both early-to-mid 20s brunettes) :: PART 1 Bounced into a Peruvian bar with Palma and had a couple of drinks outside at a table. Palma went inside to get a couple more, returning with two girls, one French and one Swiss – both brunettes in their early -to-mid 20s, and friends who had, at one time, both shared a flat together. Palma pulled up an extra chair and the French girl (“FG) immediatly sat down, while the Swiss girl (“SG) stood opposite us, saying… Read more »

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:: FR 3# – Friday 26th July with @Palmasailor in London – Argentine Tango (Brunette, 43 (“ABR”) and Blonde, 48 (“ABL”)) Same Peruvian bar with Palma; FG and SG from FR2# had disappeared …. Two women came and sat down at the table adjacent to where Palma and I were sitting. This was a poser … Firstly, the seating arrangment was not good: the two women, both Argentine were effectively sitting side-by-side at one table, with Palma and I mirroring at the other – like starlings on a fence, so difficult to engage in convo. Secondly, and this is just… Read more »

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:: FR 4# / FNL- Friday 26th July in London – Black-haired mature Greek-Cypriot (55) (“GC”) :: Note: @Palmasailor knows most of the details of this FR / FNL report – and it’s quite lengthy :-/ So, after @Palmasailor had left for the evening, I decided to have a night-cap at a favourite basement bar of mine in London’s Soho district. This is actually a gay bar which I know well, and I am friends with one of the barmen there, whom I have known for about three years. They were already closing by the time I got there, but… Read more »

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@TantumErgo – good FRs man. Some thoughts. FR 1: I had a hilarious near-identical conversation with a French girl years ago when she realized I knew that the University of Paris 2 was called Assas, because most people have only heard of the Sorbonne (Paris 1). Basically what Palma said on this. You didn’t have enough attraction (therefore did not get an IOI), therefore your escalation (in this case asking for a number) did not work. You needed to DHV a lot more and get IOIs before going for the close. You did DHV a bit with fluent Spanish etc,… Read more »

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Her “Por que?”

Tantum “Estoy muy caliente”

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@TantumErgo Great to read about you out in the field. Not many men do that and hardly any your age. Some points for you to look into for future ventures. Look at these elements peppered into your interaction (who’s on the hunt and who’s the prey?): she asked me to go back in and see if her two gay friends were still in the bar Which you do… for free… missed the opportunity to test her frame and ask her to do something for you first. Her hindbrain would have registered a different Tantum. She then suggested we go elsewhere… Read more »

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@ Marquis ” it’s hard for me to think of my wife in such cold dispassionate terms.” Tough-love is tough for a reason. Otherwise we’d say tough-like. Love is eternal, creative and perpetuating. Love is a fixed purity, dispassionate and certain. It is correct, righteous, in a meaningful way. Like is a preference, variable, fueled by emotion and uncertainty. It may be correct in its meaning, intent and execution…maybe not. Here we risk failure to ourselves and others, blowing around in the winds of emotion. “Wie gefaellt’s Ihnen?” is German for “How do you like it?” Literally translated It is… Read more »

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Tantum Good stuff man. You can be a killer if you tighten up a little bit… How much capital G Game have you gotten into? Have you read Mystery Method? And importantly – have you watched the many seminars online where Mystery expands on things? There are also a number of good ones by Matador and LoveDrop on body language and kino btw… The good stuff – Obvi you are solid at opening, at least in respect to approach anxiety and you can carry on a conversation. I suspect you are above average looking and note the cream pinstripe jacket…… Read more »

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Oh and congrats boys on the London Red Pill Summit producing 100% more lay reports than Poland…

Aside – update on PussyGrinder… Not going into a lot of detail.. but to test my feeling… sent a text : Hey. Your husband around?

and BOOM! she was all LOL… OMG!!! he is right here… I had a follow up that was innocuous to blunt the edge, but that cat jumped out of the bag.. lol…

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“you PUSHED that last bar” There are guys who recommend bailing unless there are overt IOI’s. Persevering in the absence of IOI isn’t totally unwarranted. An absence of her overt IOI isn’t a IOD. There’s no reason to assume she didn’t want your number until she said “no”. It’s a good practice to efficiently move the conversation along…which you did. A lot of guys assume without an overt declaration of IOI there’s no point in opening or pushing the bar of expectation. Sentient is aggressive in his approaches and doesn’t back down in uncomfortable shit testing. Formidable frame under withering… Read more »

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Good points Eh. To clarify – what I meant by “pushing” the last bar, the one with the greek, was that it was late, the bar was closing etc. It would be easy to go home. But so often there is gold waiting to be picked up… They do call it “golden hour”… even post golden hour can be golden…

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“golden hour” Anecdote…. A buddy and I are downhill skiing. We’re at an apres ski party in the main resort. I pick up a woman and left to bang I forgot to hand off the hotel key to my buddy. He’s sleeps in the hotel lobby until he’s kicked out He wanders up to the room and is hanging out, sitting with his back against the door at 2AM waiting, pissed. A girl walks up and chats with him. At some point she asks if he’ll come back to her room to fuck. Just like that. No joke. He popped… Read more »

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The options being some sort of substance abuse. There isn’t a substance that I haven’t abused at some point. That turned out to be the best form of self medication ,walking in bitter creek. Just lucky to come out the other side in one piece. “In hindsight I contained the ex wife until the 2009 banking crisis at which point she pinged me for weakness when I was at my wits end. The shit tests went nuclear after I failed one after another, but here’s the thing, I woke up one morning after a nuclear fall out and told her… Read more »

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One more for the road.

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@Palma Boundaries are good to have set,I finally learned to draw the line at physical contact. Abuse from a primary care giver leaves out boundaries. The way things read if it is patriarchal abuse thats believable and will garner sympathy, if on the other hand it is matriarchal abuse then you must have done something real bad to deserve it. basically I am on my own,may as well get used to it. I run to extremes ,I am extremely sober at the moment and have been for years. And have a tendency to go all in on people and then… Read more »

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@TantumErgo +1 on IRL’s analysis… i could add some more detail, but the basic idea is that she has you fitted for your shiny armor… AND the bit and saddle…lol… but in spite of that^^^ you are actually doing great!… and props for getting in the field… especially that solo at the end of the night… like @Sentient says it is really easy to just call it bc your wing went home… IF… and that’s a big IF bc she is 55…lol… if you want to turn it around with the GC, you are going to need a game plan…… Read more »

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@palmasailor Instantly I was hit with more shit and every form of blackmail she had in the Rolodex. I just said no and walked. Before long she was begging but by now I’d had it. She was beside herself in pieces. I reckon most men could swap the frame of their marriages like that. that’s the only way is actually works… you have to be willing (and mentally there) to just leave… and then just ‘don’t get divorced’… if you want to stay married anyway…lol but the more you ‘want’ to stay (which is BP… and a frame shift away… Read more »

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@wahoo McDaniels

I run to extremes ,I am extremely sober at the moment and have been for years.

props!!!… that sh*t ain’t easy… but it is worthwhile…

good luck!

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“bc every time she criticizes you, she is criticizing one half of HIM… most parents don’t get that idea… or they really don’t care…”

This ^ is a fact, when he loses respect for his tribe of origin his identity is gone. This tends to the worst.

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Ahhh nothing like sweet validation 🤗

https://imgur.com/a/oTiuj2E

Feeling like my idol
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@HABD or anyone else

Hey HABD,
I have seen you mention the guard dog spinup situ many times but havent seen it used by anyone else in these parts of town and don’t get it from context. Would you mind explaining it in short?

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@Palma Tantum I accidentally discovered a way to get a girls hamster spinning without saying a word.

I sent a WhatsApp message to the wrong girl and then deleted it. It appears as “message deleted” in her messages.

The girl immediately began madly texting wanting to know what I said and then ended up reconnecting to meet up.

Try it….send a message and then within1 minute delete it. Watch the fireworks.

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Ummm J, Ruby’s sex tourism was from 3rd world to 1st world… Not the other way round.

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@walawala Nice! I use this open loop concept infield to great effect. I alternate between leaving them open, by side stepping her inquiries into things she wants to know more detail about (“nah don’t worry about it. its not important.” “nah i’ll tell you later” etc) (but never closing them) and closing them, by answering the bait I threw at her, by DHVing myself. By alternating between the two, it always leaves her unsure of what I’ll do. @Sentient P O W E R F U L neg. lol. but seriously. ya because 1st world is ALWAYS higher quality than… Read more »

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Hold up. Spoke too soon

1950’s Vikki Dougan can get it
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@j these accidental situations often can be worked into something that becomes more natural.

The kitten-string idea can be worked out in ways you describe.

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@walalwala j

How do you feel when you know a girl you banged yesterday banging some other guy today?

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@Johann

How do you feel when you know a girl you banged yesterday banging some other guy today?

If it’s a plate, honestly, I don’t care. I just don’t want to know. The girls are usually smart enough not to bring it up and I don’t ask. There’s truly no strings attached.

If it’s a girl that I’ve been seeing and am interested in pursuing and I find this out…I dump her immediately. I don’t explain, I just ghost her.

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I was trying to think where I saw that pic before
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Ah yes. Indigenous peoples.

Look you miss the note as per usual. It’s not about a 5/6 or even pygmy fetishism.

It’s about the validation seeking. Break that before it breaks you.

Enjoy what you want, leave the validation at home.

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@ Sentient @ Calum Struan @ Wahoo McDaniels @ IRL @ Palmasailor :: London Summit – 26th July – Field Reports :: Gentlemen Many thanks for your considered analysis and feedback, which is much appreciated There is a lot for me digest here, and I will endeavour to get back to you on your individual responses as soon as I can. The short-and-ugly of it is that, while I have never usually had any trouble getting women – doing so according to a tight game-plan is STILL new to me, and I am here to learn. None of last Friday’s… Read more »

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If it’s a plate, honestly, I don’t care. I just don’t want to know. The girls are usually smart enough not to bring it up and I don’t ask. There’s truly no strings attached.

I see. Great to hear.

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@ Sentient

That’s fucked up man.

😂😂😂😂

First belly laugh of the day.

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@Sentient Wat? 😂 indigenous looking girls are just as ugly as black girls to me, broski. I shared her face before in a separate post. No indigenous facial features. “Look you miss the note as per usual” You framed it as 1st world women are superior to 3rd world women. Looking at Ruby’s roster, that’s laughable (although I understand Ruby was using these older girls to fund his lifestyle). “It’s not about a 5/6” If the girl in the pic is a 5 (lol) then what are Ruby’s girls rating (I know you have a bias for blondes so you’re… Read more »

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No indigenous features

😆😆😆😂

It’s about ” preference ” and that’s all.

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@Tantum

“Me: Very well — Catch you next time”

maybe I’m reading this wrong, but I think what she was trying to say was that she just wants to fuck. And doesn’t want to stay over for dinner/sleep over. so I would have replied, “aight see u friday”

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@j

Read FR #4 and my later follow-up.

She already made it clear that if we meet on Friday, then she plans to go home straight afterwards because she has “plans on Saturday morning”.

Hence the ‘I am cooking dinner gambit’.

GC knows that if she comes round to my place then I will nail her. 😊

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@Tantum Yeah mate I’ve read it. To me “after seeing you” = “after fucking you” (she already knows where you live. And even if she wants to meet somewhere else first, then just meet her at a spot near your place (don’t let her pick). Then just turn her on, and bring her back to your place (“change her mood, not her mind”) (“hey lets go to my place for a bit before you go back home”). “She already made it clear that if we meet on Friday, then she plans to go home straight afterwards because she has “plans… Read more »

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My point on YOUR Ruby comparison is it is harder to come from a shithole and get laid in the top strata of society than the reverse.

Aim higher… And still leave your sweet validation to the side.

I did discover this though

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Dwarf_vs_Midget

Could be a good opened in there.

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Tantum Yeah man agree with J… she was down to just come over and bang… Question: Are you OK with just providing the dick and NO rom-comming? Or do you think you have to earn it in some way? Are YOU enough? [serious questions] Your path to improvement is going to be inner game/frame and technique/sequencing… Look at this Took some good advice from Palma, and played the ‘I am cooking gambit’ – here’s how the exchange of messages has run: Why do you need a gambit on a girl you’ve banged what FOUR times??? Unless YOU are NOT enough…… Read more »

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Tantum

Likely that Saturday morning she is having brunch with one of her boyfriends…

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That pic is from one of Roosh’s lesser works – BANG! – Manaus I believe…

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@Sentient “it is harder to come from a shithole and get laid in the top strata of society than the reverse.” I agree. But while Ruby may have been born in a shithole. He was always banging upper class pussy. He was born to UMC parents after all. And spent much of his youth in Paris, France (a first world country) up until age 17: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porfirio_Rubirosa Brazil and Peru, like Dominican Republic, may be shithole countries in general. Especially when compared to the likes of Switzerland, Norway, and America. But the neighborhoods of Jardins, Sao Paulo, Brazil and Miraflores, Lima,… Read more »

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I suggest you get around more before making such generalistic claims.

There is a reason there is a term sex tourism and there is a flow to it. For men and women… And gradations as well… Based on core concepts of value and who has it and what they are willing to do for it.

Why do you think all these London guys were heading to former SU countries? Cause there are no hot girls on the high streets?

See if you can figure the dynamic in play here…
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The claim was that I was banging 5/6 indigenous girls.Which was false. Now you admit there are hot girls, south of the border, but that they are “easy” for men from 1st world countries. “It’s suppose to be hard to get laid bro!”

I’m not traveling to these and other countries because I can’t get laid in my own country like the London daygamers. I travel because I want to.

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lol… I know there are hot girls all over the world… but still that pic is not a good pic hoss…

Carry on playa

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” Brazil and Peru, like Dominican Republic, may be shithole countries in general. Especially when compared to the likes of Switzerland, Norway, and America. But the neighborhoods of Jardins, Sao Paulo, Brazil and Miraflores, Lima, Peru, where both of these girls live (upper class neighborhoods), are anything but shitholes. I suggest you get around more before making such generalistic claims.” Question: What does any woman’s ” class ” have to do with anything, especially wrt ” hotness “? Btw, sorry J, you post up an awful lot of 5/6’s as if they’re universally ” hot “. Lol, you talk a… Read more »

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And…. drum rolll…

It’s OK to bang average chicks – if you want to… Just don’t get all validaty over it.

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…. ohhhhh, maybe that’s the ” validation ” thing. Upper class chick ( lol ) banged me, so I have worth that’s been validated .

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Correct. There are more average chicks around than above average chicks. There’s nothing inherently ” wrong ” with banging them. I’d bang that chick J posted ( although she’s carrying a little extra around the waist ), but I drive past those every day when I’m out. 5/6 on a good day.

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cute though.

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I post girls that are 7-7.5s (and i take photos while I’m with them. So they don’t have time to Photoshop/alter the images. I notice some guys post pics from the girl’s instagram. Where she looks her best. And not as good as she looks like IRL). and you call them 6s. (If I recall correctly, sentient called skinny no tits or ass Taylor Swift a 7. And you call your 50 something year old wife a 7. I know what a fit 42 year old woman’s body feels like. It’s nowhere close to as good as a fit 22… Read more »

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Lol, don’t get upset playa.

I’m still waiting for you to post a 7-7.5. Haven’t seen it yet, but you are posting up 20 something average chicks.

There’s. Nothing. Wrong. With. Average. Chicks.

like sentient says, as long as that’s what you want to do.

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for the record… I believe in her best day she was a 7 and change… most ‘stars” are artfully contrived.
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Now ‘skinny”? You’ll need to retract that claim… smile

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“skinny”?

Ya. Let’s take off that photoshop shall we?
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Photoshop?

lol

You haven’t gotten the memo… Swifty done got fat.

https://twitter.com/taylorswiftfat?lang=en

Blax – I think you broke J…

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“in her best day she was a 7”

well, In her best days she was a
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“You haven’t gotten the memo… Swifty done got fat.”

To quote my guy, @AR, So?

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Semi related, another one of these “stars”, people say is “hot”, Miley Cryus, recently posted this pic:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/miley-cyrus-is-fully-embracing-hot-girl-summer

The most downvoted comment, said “6”. which was my first thought.

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So it’s not Photoshop. It’s fat…
😂

And that’s with an F.

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@Sentient
@J

So… re GC .. (FR4#) — All good points, so thank you both. 😊

Key question: Can I retrieve this situ now, or should I let it ride?

@ Sentient

Your guess that she plans to meet one of her BFs for brunch on Saturday is probably on the money.

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Oh you still got this. Put those red pill glasses on and her next pitch is going to look slow and fat.

Those glasses and some game knowledge and you are all set.

In your next interaction just forgo and beta buxy stuff and focus on logistics – time and place and give her the D she was out late at night looking for.

Then take yourself to brunch 😁

If she doesn’t hit you up, hit her up to come over when you have a window.

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@ Sentient

“Oh you still got this. Put those red pill glasses on and her next pitch is going to look slow and fat.

Those glasses and some game knowledge and you are all set.

In your next interaction just forgo and beta buxy stuff and focus on logistics – time and place and give her the D she was out late at night looking for.

Then take yourself to brunch

If she doesn’t hit you up, hit her up to come over when you have a window”

CHECK. 😊

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People buy me/comp me drinks a lot. Last Sat. night a buddy gave me a shot that a waitress had “comped” him when she assumed that he had a tab. He gave me one of the shots. Ex cop and gave me shit about nystagmus cuz I’d had two “boosted” bourbons already. Mom taught me to play dumb and it has never failed. Was on a flight and a female flight attendant comped me some booze. I told her that I had been on the maiden flight of the airline. True story. @ Blax Grandbaby Gamer pointed at me and… Read more »

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@ wahoo McDaniels

FR1#

“Her “Por que?”

Tantum “Estoy muy caliente””

Yes!!

So why weren’t you with @Palmsailor and me last Friday? LOL. 😁

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“I sent a WhatsApp message to the wrong girl and then deleted it. It appears as “message deleted” in her messages.

The girl immediately began madly texting wanting to know what I said and then ended up reconnecting to meet up.

Try it….send a message and then within1 minute delete it. Watch the fireworks”

I really like this — and I have a couple of targets in mind…

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Presumably at no stage did you even attempt to justify the deleted message, but rather brush it aside and go straight for the meet? I ask as a newbie. 😊

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Tantum

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCXscPJme6nG7mgFh4vGA-fg?itct=CBkQ6p4EIhMImJrZ7rXg4wIVMwdlCh1nwgFy&csn=8TJCXbDnH4L4j-8Pt_aS0Ao&wlfg=true

Here are some of the Mystery video seminars. Getting hard to find on YouTube. Maybe someone has a torrent site?

Worth watching to get the most out of the book.

Might want to download because they keep getting taken down.

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@Tatum “Presumably at no stage did you even attempt to justify the deleted message, but rather brush it aside and go straight for the meet? I ask as a newbie.” In the accidental case I suggested drinks after the “Was that for me hahaha” and “What did you want to say to me?” i just replied with “oh. let’s meet up. drinks. what’s your sched?” and we’ll be meeting up next week. After I posted this I tried it with a few girls I had lost contact with including the girl I posted about who wished me a Happy Birthday… Read more »

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@ Sentient

Many thanks for the MM video link:

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCXscPJme6nG7mgFh4vGA-fg?itct=CBkQ6p4EIhMImJrZ7rXg4wIVMwdlCh1nwgFy&csn=8TJCXbDnH4L4j-8Pt_aS0Ao&wlfg=true

It’s very late here in the UK, but I will take a look first thing in the morning, and download as you suggest.

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Many thanks for the clarification about how to use the deleted text gambit. (I am a Chess player, and am starting to see the analogy between certain types of Chess Openings and Game).

I am really looking forward to trying this out, but need to give it some more time before I do for the two targets I have in mind, both of whom have effectively nexted me for the time being…

“Remember that a girl’s imagination is your best tool in getting her thinking about you.”

I do get this, and have actually managed to put this to the test.

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“(I am a Chess player, and am starting to see the analogy between certain types of Chess Openings and Game).”

Now we are cooking.

Yareally used to say “chess not checkers”…

Go check out his archive as well… Well it’s only some early stuff. You can find the whole tging with wayback.

Yareallyarchive.com

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@Tantum Context is everything. If they nexted you because of a lack of attraction, this won’t work. If they nexted you because you wouldn’t be their bf or if you banged them already, then i’d recommend this. The other girl I tried this on actually gave me the idea for it by doing it to me. So I did it back to her a week later. No response. The overall goal is to spin plates and have a few on the go. Girls in their 20’s are prioncesses used to soy boys chasing them. You have to find a way… Read more »

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@Tantum – also you need some practice at text game generally. It’s not really one specific mistake (or rather it’s lots of minor ones that add up), more that overall you’re chasing her too much and giving her too much validation. You need to text less, compliment less, focus more on emotional spikes and let her chase you. YaReally’s text game advice is still the best going – lots on it in the YaReally Archive. PSA to everyone: The Book of YaReally PDF can be downloaded at the link below. Much faster than reading the website on the Internet Archive.… Read more »

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@Sentient A C S is a progression but not a stair step “set and forget” routine. You will cycle between/through as you go. If you want to criticize MM this is one area he did not make hyper explicit in the book for the sperglords. Watching the dozens of tapes fills in the gaps. Yohami had an interesting “critique” of Mystery Method… or rather its misinterpretation by sperglords lol https://rivsdiary.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/yes-im-always-right/comment-page-1/#comment-2677 (websites come and go so the full text below, wise words in the closing paragraphs) The reason the Mystery Method is codependent is because he is – he’s a guy… Read more »

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lurker123 @HABD or anyone else Hey HABD, I have seen you mention the guard dog spinup situ many times but havent seen it used by anyone else in these parts of town and don’t get it from context. Would you mind explaining it in short? here’s one… https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-59/#comment-224489 @Sentient dr zipper “HABD and to also avoid spinning up a guard dog situ… You know you are going to have to explain that…” ya, ok…lol guard dog situ… how do you train a guard dog?… you push it a little, and when it ‘fights back’ (pushes back against your frame) you… Read more »

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@palmasailor He’s in North Korea – inaccessible behind enemy lines with Stockholm Syndrome. That’s where it is and I need a life as well. If he emerges in here and I’ve told him that. But he has to emerge. and when/if he ’emerges’ what will he find?… congruence or incongruence with mom’s narrative?… my goto example is a story i heard about a bitter divorce where the mom told the kid that his dad did not want to have anything to do with him bc the dad had his ‘new family/kids’ to spend his time with and didn’t want to… Read more »

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IRL

Well he’s doing a pretty good misinterpretation himself, so there’s that.

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Relatively new to RP(2-3 years). Just read the post Relationship Game-Wife Sex and had a couple questions I hope to get answers too. Is it safe to assume that in withdrawing attention you men having sex with her also. Is this an indefinite period of time? Also is there a difference in this as you get into your 60’s? I’m 62, wife is 64. I’m far and away in better physical shape than she is. Frequency of meaningful sex is once a week. Am I crazy to think it could be more if I do things properly?

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“Am I crazy to think it could be more if I do things properly?”

Not at all. Game works on wives. Evo bio is Evo bio. Dread works.

Describe why you arent having the sex you want. More specifics will help sort out the issues.

Also some of your background together, who is submissive to who etc.

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TJ, you are already doing good, things can always be better. What I do is make my mission primary, I have a plan for work to do today ,this is my plan and none of her business. When I leave the house I don’t tell her unless she asks then it’s vague answers only ( first off she doesn’t care except for comfort or control) IE going to the shop,heading up the mountain or going for a drive see you later don’t hold dinner. She will message me when it’s time for lunch or coffee,I will come in when I… Read more »

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@TjCox 2-3 years? Relatively new? That’s a long time. What red pill sites and materials and books have you been reading? There had been a lot of material developed on Married Red Pill game. There is not much here on The Rational Male as far as prescriptions are concerned. Are you familiar and have you red the sidebar and curated best posts at Married Red Pill Reddit? Sentient is correct in that you giving more information about your situation in how ever you feel comfortable will yield more actionable advice. The major problem in long term marriages is that each… Read more »

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@Tj Keep in mind that every relationship, every man is different (and unhappy in their own way). So you have to know yourself and your strengths and weakness. And minimize your weaknesses. Be careful in following generalized prescriptions. Notice the words incremental and covertly and get to where something has changed in you in the original essay you read: https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/23/relationship-game-wife-sex/ Make her want it If you’ve been married for years, she probably feels pretty secure with you and whatever degree of control she has in regards to regulating the flow of sex. Make her uncomfortable. As counterintuitive as it sounds,… Read more »

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“It’s about getting to healthy, masculine/feminine polarity and generating more organic desire from your wife.”

This^ right here 100%.

With all the conditioning being thrown at us from the entertainment industry and main street media the natural mpolarity is out of kilter and the only one with the proper tools to correct it is the man in the relationship. This is done by leading without attention given to the other end of the rope.

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@tj Q: “Is it safe to assume that in withdrawing attention you men having sex with her also. Is this an indefinite period of time? ” A: Yes. As long as you (can) leverage dread upon her she will fear losing you. Hey there. Welcome aboard. You want more sex. Right? Play along with me here. Consider your wife an amalgam of 1) unthinking natural existential needs and 2) sentience The needs side demands sex, food, air, shelter… The sentience side demands knowledge and understanding. TRM focuses on correcting women’s (and men’s) belief that men are pure useful workhorses, sometimes… Read more »

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@EhIntellect

I was pretty sure on the withdrawal thing, so thanks for confirming that. In my case, we’ve been married over 40 years, so mostly I think a level of taking me for granted is the issue. When I say once a week, I’m more talking about genuine desire sex. We have sex just for me more, but I’m looking for the “Hell Yeah!” girl I married. My second question is more aimed at what is reasonable to expect in terms of her libido.

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tj, “I’m looking for the “Hell Yeah!” girl I married.” Nice….now here’s the rub….put a tack in all that evo-bio stuff…it’s an observation of the sexual dynamic, not the dynamic. IMO, desire sex concept is a tortured attempt to lobotomize a woman into sex for AF seed. In short she has no option to choose to fuck you in that HELL YEAH! manner unless you engender it with physical and emotional triggers and/or she peaking in some estrus phase and a bunch of other variables guys kick around here. That all above has its place and will not get you… Read more »

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Thanks to all who have replied. As far as materials I’ve taken in, I’ve read the first RM book, I follow his blog here obviously, I also follow Dalrock, and used to follow Heartise’s blog. I’m in the middle of reading the 48 Laws of Power. I’ve also watched a lot of RT’s Red Pill 101. Read Athol Kay’s books also. Our marriage has been mostly based in a Christian atmosphere. There have been exceptions. At one point, we were separated for 5 years. Went through a major bout of depression during that time. She was a virgin when we… Read more »

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tj, “The one thing that jumped out at me was the statistic that only 28 percent of folks my age consider themselves to be sexually active.So maybe once a week ain’t that bad. I can get her to take care of me a couple more times a week on top of that, but I’d really like to have more of the desire type sex. Maybe I expect too much.” I was born in 60 and the wife of 38 years in 57 so you have a few years on me, that’s why I say your doing good. It’s no crime… Read more »

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@ tj

Congrats!!! Once a week is more than a lot of married men half your age can seem to manage after a 7-10 year stretch, and desire sex is damn near out of the question, so you’ve been doing something very right over the last 40 and survived the complications.

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@wahoo Mcdaniels

Sounds like pretty much the same deal as us. Even though I’ve always been dominant, before discovering RP, I believed I ought to have Oneitis, and couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t get there and be happy. So for 40 years I’ve been trying to reconcile that with my default nature. That kind of blue pill dynamic, takes time to turn around. We have made a lot of progress over the last couple years, but I’m not where I want to be yet.

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“I’m skeptical, but realize she would never admit it, and have no evidence of it.”

There’s zero point in ruminating about it.

As for statistics about human sexuality… they are worthless. You’re killing it 1x weekly. If you want more, you can have more. It requires you to disregard life is a lowest common denominator.

You miss all the shots you don’t take.

Look yourself in the mirror. What’s to be gained reliving the past and how does it make you better doing so? IMO, little.

You’re a great guy posting all you have and you’ve many friends here.

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“I believed I ought to have Oneitis, and couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t get there and be happy. So for 40 years I’ve been trying to reconcile that with my default nature.” I had oneitis bad over this cheerleader in 75 and even then i stuck to my default and never was faithful to her. The trouble with oneitis is it feels good to have but she doesn’t want it in her man. In fact I think they find it repulsive. I just put it down to a conflict of interest,if there is no conflict she isn’t interested. Now… Read more »

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FR in order to see women’s behavior and compare notes New bar, new city, in the South. Cab ride was expensive. 30 clients. Oh boy. I got a drink from a bartender and chatted her up. She came from a small town not too far from my home town and wanted me to hit her up for drinks (Ok, now the penny drops). So I watched several line dances drinking my booze. Didn’t know the dances. I finished my booze about the time that a line dance came on that I knew, so I hit the floor. I did a… Read more »

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Oh, two more observations about the cashier: She said that she noticed me dancing (with the young blonde). She said that it’s hard for her to compete with younger women. My conclusion about the cashier was: The cashier was looking for an interesting way to pass her time and she was just teasing someone that she thought might be a player. At one point she was leaning strongly towards me and at that point likely she had forgotten that she was just teasing. Just before I left, the cashier said that she would keep me in her thoughts. She also… Read more »

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“Has anyone ever got laid at gay pride?”

Not as much as you have.

ta-dum

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“(Obv with a girll)”

now you’re just being picky

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Palma, Consider all these homosexuals define themselves, find existential meaning, by sexual disorder. These types apply all their time, talent and treasure maintaining fictions as if bagel rubbing or gloryholes make a difference beyond orgasm. It’s important to them. Like existential important. Homosexual suicide is horrific for this reason. They demand a lie as truth. When the truth is irrepressible, the .45 is in the mouth. You ain’t gotta throw it their face. lesbians are the most emotionally, spiritually fragile creatures. They’re women dealing in groupthink fakery. You, Palma, aligned with consequence, if only by accident, can run the field… Read more »

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Cashier girl started the night with “Yes sir” and “No sir” and ended it with “Yes, Baby” and “See you later, Baby.” I don’t doubt that she was trying her Girl Game ™ on me, but I also don’t doubt that she was feeling affection.

(For you spergs, no, affection isn’t sexual desire. Affection isn’t DTF. She was bringing up lots of sexual topics, though. Don’t get all spergy, now, I’m not saying that she was DTF. I’m just saying that she wasn’t looking to use me to cuddle with. There was some sexual interest.)

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Sailor – you asked about gay pride. I went there on the weekend! It was pretty fun! One of my friends got laid, so yeah, it’s possible. In fact, i’d say 80+% of the girl there are just straight girls looking to have fun, get drunk, and show off their bodies. Here’s the FR Went to Brighton (UK) on the weekend. It was full of hot, half naked girls, so tonnes of girls too approach Initially me and the guys I was with done some AA exercises and were trying to get girls to dance with us on the street.… Read more »

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“There was some sexual interest.”

Thanks for always making me laugh man 😂. The 5+ dislikes you get on your comments are the cherry on top.

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J, the broad was outta your league. You wudna have even approached her, much less chatted with her. C cups and she was pushing her tits at me all night with both body language and shit like “I went to New Orleans and we flashed our tits” and “I didn’t like my fiance at first. He swatted my tits.” I think she also was wearing a push up bra. I figured that she bought her tits. The guy was just checking by swatting. You keep me laughing, too, with your FRs of average broads. They are low-hanging fruit to me.… Read more »

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